| holstein | OvenWerks: i hope so | 04:12 |
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| OvenWerks | holstein: dual monitors has been one of the missing links in our distro. Arandr has always been a temporary solution. | 04:36 |
| OvenWerks | At least I knew that :) | 04:36 |
| holstein | in xfce, it seems | 04:36 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, but at the time even in unity. | 04:37 |
| OvenWerks | I am still not completely happy with what unity does either, but it is more usable | 04:38 |
| holstein | well, it works | 04:38 |
| holstein | im not happy with unity much, but the tools function | 04:38 |
| OvenWerks | As long as you want their default. Unity has the man power | 04:39 |
| holstein | yup.. the dev team at work, and doing amazing things on short notice, i think | 04:39 |
| OvenWerks | I wonder what signal xorg sends when a second monitor shows up | 04:41 |
| holstein | we could ask the unity folks.. that works great in unity | 04:41 |
| OvenWerks | I am not sure if it is there or part of gnome. | 04:43 |
| holstein | thats true.. could just come from upstream | 04:44 |
| OvenWerks | unity is still based on the gnome libs/settings | 04:44 |
| holstein | for now... | 04:44 |
| holstein | wonder if that will change | 04:44 |
| OvenWerks | zequence should know if it works on gnome, he runs gnome shell | 04:45 |
| OvenWerks | I'll ask when next he is here. | 04:45 |
| OvenWerks | Actually I should just look in xorg | 04:53 |
| OvenWerks | Playing some more with xrandr and dual monitors. | 05:53 |
| OvenWerks | well I'm pretending, I can get this video card to think I have hotpluged a monitor in by loading the greeen channel. | 05:55 |
| OvenWerks | I can see the possitions with arandr or xrandr (one is visual and the other numbers | 05:56 |
| OvenWerks | Anyway, the unity default of --right-of is probably best. It keeps the pannel on the same monitor, going --left-of moves the pannel to the second monitor. | 05:58 |
| madeinkobaia | Hi all, does someone have some news from zequence ? | 12:33 |
| OvenWerks | madeinkobaia: I would guess that he went riding for the weekend and his server quit. | 13:45 |
| OvenWerks | yes it is unusual that he is not here | 13:46 |
| madeinkobaia | OvenWerks : Hi Len, thanks for the feedback. Hope everything is ok by him side. | 14:01 |
| OvenWerks | yup | 14:06 |
| OvenWerks | To be honest, it is good to think he is doing gomething other than looking at the computer | 14:08 |
| madeinkobaia | OvenWerks : Yep, for sure. | 14:50 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: do you ever use dual monitors? | 14:57 |
| zequence | Reinstalling server, so that's why I haven't been online | 14:57 |
| zequence | OvenWerks, I used to | 14:57 |
| zequence | Not since I started using my TV as a monitor | 14:57 |
| OvenWerks | I was wondering if gnome shell has the same display set up as unity | 14:58 |
| OvenWerks | Mainly if a hotpluged second monitor default to right-of | 14:58 |
| zequence | It used to be different anyway | 14:58 |
| zequence | Well, not in that way though | 14:59 |
| zequence | You need to set it to be right of | 14:59 |
| OvenWerks | I am wondering if there is any reason not to default to right-of | 14:59 |
| OvenWerks | That is is there any use case for mirror? | 15:00 |
| OvenWerks | (AKA same-as) | 15:00 |
| zequence | If there wasn't I don't think it would be given as an option | 15:01 |
| zequence | Also, it highly depends on your graphic card how you set that up | 15:01 |
| OvenWerks | I am thinking of free drivers (xrandr compatable) | 15:02 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: The mani plus I can see for same-as is that it doesn't change the screen size. (this is not strictly true but it has the least change anyway) It certainly uses the least amount of memory. | 15:17 |
| holstein | i think its interesting, on the heels of the open desktop support, to think about what cory was bringing up a few releases ago | 17:10 |
| holstein | not really having an actual "ubuntustudio".. but, what he said was PPA's | 17:10 |
| holstein | i didnt really understand that, since we couldnt be "official" and have ppa's.. but i was thinkin meta-packages | 17:11 |
| holstein | its something we could discuss.. | 17:11 |
| holstein | it really upset me at the time, because we had only a few folks, and had scrambled to make iso testing happen, and put out some fires.. and he came in about 2 weeks before release time and made that suggestion | 17:12 |
| holstein | after we had already done all the work... but, i think its an interesting idea to entertain | 17:12 |
| holstein | just adding ubuntustudio to whatever distro you want | 17:12 |
| holstein | i dont think most folks understand how it works anyways.. like the last question in the support channel.. "running ubuntustudio on nonPAE" | 17:12 |
| holstein | any, google search of ubuntu and nonPAE brings up tons of information... but if folks dont (and i really think they dont) realize that ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, then i think its unclear where to look for help | 17:13 |
| holstein | not that going to meta-packages necessarily would simplify that and bring any clarity | 17:14 |
| holstein | the other option would be to have ubuntutsudio-unity, ubuntustudio-gnome.. iso's and meta packages | 17:14 |
| holstein | i dont think we have the man-power for that right now.. though the way it is suggested in the list makes sense.. if you want to test and support it, we can have it | 17:15 |
| OvenWerks | holstein: I think we are trying for a middle road :) | 17:31 |
| OvenWerks | We really would like (and our users would like) to be able to offer custom installs | 17:31 |
| OvenWerks | That is, not having to install all of the workflows, just those you need. | 17:32 |
| OvenWerks | The DE options would be an extension of that. | 17:32 |
| OvenWerks | holstein: TBH, one of the biggest problems we have with the audio Workflow and installing it on other flavours... is getting RT/low latency to work OOTB | 17:33 |
| OvenWerks | I really don't know how this applies to othger workflows like video. | 17:34 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know if anyone in the linux world has really spent time optimizing a machine for video work (creation) aside from the game boys | 17:36 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: i like the middle road, but i was just thinking, if it solved all the issues, and helped us, since we are small-ish | 17:36 |
| holstein | what we do is challenging | 17:36 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: getting that working on OSX ootb is challenging | 17:37 |
| holstein | on windows.. etc | 17:37 |
| OvenWerks | There are reatively few apps that use video realtime | 17:37 |
| holstein | the other OS's typically dont even have that option.. the "major" ones right now | 17:37 |
| holstein | iso and android for example | 17:37 |
| OvenWerks | Making Studio metas work right with other flavours could be chalenging too | 17:37 |
| holstein | what we are taking on, strictly from a complete outside perspective is challenging | 17:37 |
| OvenWerks | Yes. | 17:38 |
| OvenWerks | Packaging a DE meta allows control of things that might affect HW performance. | 17:39 |
| OvenWerks | The downside is that the flavours come with a better asortment of desktop apps, but we would have to ship something pretty stripped as we do with xfce | 17:40 |
| DarkEra | A Studio distro shouldn't come with loads of desktop apps, so stripped down would be better | 18:10 |
| holstein | well, thats arguable, and comes up a lot | 18:11 |
| OvenWerks | DarkEra: holstein, if we are shipping DE metas they will have to stripped down. The question is where to draw that line. | 18:14 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I think I am going to revive the ubuntustudio-menu meta. | 18:14 |
| OvenWerks | My thinking is that we should be able to leave the DE menu setup mostly alone | 18:15 |
| OvenWerks | We just want to replace multi-media, graphics etc. with our workflow bit. | 18:16 |
| OvenWerks | Also I think people still install that meta expecting our new menu to be there | 18:16 |
| OvenWerks | holstein: would it be worthwhile adding extra app installers for some of the desktop stuff we don't ship? | 18:43 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: maybe.. i mean, the software center *is* that app | 18:43 |
| OvenWerks | Should they be distro specific? | 18:43 |
| holstein | i think we should focus on the distro that we like, and support, and making that work well | 18:43 |
| OvenWerks | USC is big ugly and slow... hope it gets better | 18:44 |
| holstein | and go from there, as needed | 18:44 |
| OvenWerks | Ya everything has to work with xfce. | 18:46 |
| OvenWerks | Just as a point of interest... Some of the packages like blender that crash X on studio seem to work fine in KDE | 18:54 |
| OvenWerks | Same machine. | 18:54 |
| holstein | also, is qt where we are heading? | 18:56 |
| holstein | in general? | 18:56 |
| OvenWerks | We? Ubuntu? It seems that way | 18:56 |
| OvenWerks | debian? I don't know. | 18:56 |
| holstein | thats true... | 18:57 |
| OvenWerks | Studio has to be able to run whatever the workflow items come in. | 18:57 |
| OvenWerks | Some apps can be picked and chosen by the lib they use because there is more than one | 18:57 |
| OvenWerks | I can't see us not including ardour because of what libs it uses though | 18:58 |
| OvenWerks | (as a quick example) | 18:58 |
| OvenWerks | I know mudita24 is not QT, but I need it for my sound card | 18:59 |
| holstein | right | 19:00 |
| holstein | im installing antergos right now... the new cinnarch | 19:02 |
| holstein | you get to choose from gnome, cinnamon, xfce and razorQT | 19:03 |
| holstein | the installer lets you choose that | 19:03 |
| holstein | suse does something like that as well.. i think thats a great idea, though, i can imagine the support gets challenging | 19:03 |
| OvenWerks | Thats what we want to do, but are hoping to lean on the ubuntu flavour pretty heavy I think. | 19:04 |
| OvenWerks | In other words our KDE, for example, will try to be as close to kubuntu as it can just with a few less apps | 19:05 |
| OvenWerks | xubuntu is already talking about offering a minimal and a "full" version as two isos | 19:06 |
| * OvenWerks doesn't know how far from dream it is though | 19:07 | |
| OvenWerks | holstein: from my POV, it would be great to have a meta that just fixes the RT/lowlatency stuff in the other flavours. Then just install Studio on top. | 19:09 |
| OvenWerks | Our ISO would then be xfce. An install time option could install kubuntu, gubuntu, lubuntu or ubuntu metas along with it. | 19:11 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I was wondering if we could use a "replaces" in our low latency kernel? | 19:13 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: im unclear why its not working | 19:13 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: seems like if someone installs JACK, that should just happen | 19:13 |
| holstein | jack, or the lowlatency kernel | 19:14 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, but from the support channel it seems not. | 19:14 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: and ardour | 19:14 |
| holstein | the #ardour channel* | 19:14 |
| OvenWerks | We need more people, it takes time to install a flavour, install packages on top then test and trouble shoot | 19:15 |
| holstein | yup | 19:15 |
| holstein | im fine with volunteers coming along to help with each | 19:16 |
| holstein | i might be able to head up LXDE.. i do a lot with another LXDE distro | 19:16 |
| OvenWerks | Sure. That should be the easiest | 19:16 |
| holstein | maybe we can talk falk into the KDE one | 19:16 |
| holstein | get zequence on the gnome one | 19:17 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: someone should look are razorQT | 19:17 |
| holstein | is mate coming? or going? | 19:17 |
| OvenWerks | falktx tends to want to hack at too many stock KDE apps. | 19:17 |
| OvenWerks | I would concider mate not an option. I would rather support cinnamon | 19:18 |
| holstein | thats where i am as well, though cinammon might be on the way out | 19:18 |
| OvenWerks | Luke (from the mailing list) want to do a cinnamon version. | 19:19 |
| holstein | i like that idea | 19:19 |
| OvenWerks | It could always turn into a gnome classic which may replace it | 19:19 |
| DarkEra | cinnamon is great but on the other hand just a fork of gnome3/gnome shell | 19:19 |
| holstein | chich could make it easier to deal with | 19:20 |
| holstein | which* | 19:20 |
| OvenWerks | I know. But at least it uses up to date libs | 19:20 |
| holstein | hey.. if someone wants to support it, i say let em | 19:20 |
| DarkEra | i don't have a problem with it :) | 19:21 |
| OvenWerks | I think a lot of the stuff made for it would work with gnome 3 in classic mode anyway... (with the classic extension I guess) | 19:21 |
| DarkEra | you should ask glebihan about that, he's involved in mint | 19:22 |
| DarkEra | and cinnamon | 19:22 |
| OvenWerks | Too far down my list :) I will probably work on kde and maybe some lxde if needed | 19:23 |
| DarkEra | hehehe :) | 19:24 |
| OvenWerks | I have partitions for xfce, lxde and kde on here now | 19:24 |
| DarkEra | how big are the partitions? | 19:25 |
| DarkEra | i might need to add some myself soon, that's why i ask :) | 19:25 |
| holstein | for a testing install? 8 or 10 should do.. depends on what you want in there | 19:25 |
| DarkEra | once Gnome 3 saucy is fixed i need to set up another one for sure | 19:27 |
| OvenWerks | They are all about 20g | 19:27 |
| DarkEra | OvenWerks, ok, cool :) | 19:27 |
| OvenWerks | I made them a bit bigger that needed in case I want to add some development stuff | 19:28 |
| holstein | with 20, you could test some audio sessions too, if needed | 19:28 |
| holstein | i think im going to setup some minimal ubuntu sessions in vbox on my big rig | 19:29 |
| OvenWerks | kubuntu for example is using 38% | 19:29 |
| OvenWerks | I have added the video meta so far | 19:29 |
| DarkEra | if my netbook wasn't so weak i would use that for dev stuff | 19:31 |
| OvenWerks | Thats where I do mine. | 19:33 |
| OvenWerks | But I do mostly settings and meta creation | 19:33 |
| OvenWerks | text stuff | 19:33 |
| DarkEra | what kind of netbook is it you have? | 19:37 |
| OvenWerks | Acer about 2-3 years old | 19:43 |
| OvenWerks | 1G mem, 1.6Ghz single core | 19:43 |
| DarkEra | aspire one 150 ZG5? | 19:45 |
| OvenWerks | No, it a 250 | 19:49 |
| OvenWerks | The fix for display not working that works for the 150 doesn't work for me :P | 19:49 |
| zequence | I'm kind of starting to think perhaps offering settings for all DEs would be better than supplying metas for them | 21:30 |
| zequence | And, there's a slight difference between the flavor meta, and the DE meta | 21:31 |
| zequence | Like, there's a meta for XFCE, and one for Xubuntu desktop | 21:32 |
| zequence | Also, KDE, and Kubuntu | 21:32 |
| zequence | et | 21:32 |
| zequence | etc | 21:32 |
| zequence | Well, just a thought so far | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: It would certainly be nice to be able to just use what is available. | 22:06 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: either the free nvidio driver has been fixed or I have had a problem with our xfce install. It seems that any of the apps I have not been able to run in studio work ok in kubuntu. | 22:11 |
| OvenWerks | I have yet to install the lowlatency kernel, thats next | 22:12 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: kernel in kubuntu 3.9.0-2-generic, ours is 3.8.0-19-lowlatency? | 23:16 |
| OvenWerks | Huh, Jack won't start RT... Nothing in our meta install to add the user to audio. Can we add that to the audio meta install script? | 23:21 |
| OvenWerks | Kmix is harder to change PA sink on than pavucontrol | 23:54 |
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