[00:17] <daftykins> penguin42: i hear ya
[00:17] <penguin42> busy tonight on here....
[00:18] <daftykins> you are?
[00:18] <daftykins> oh the idle
[00:19] <daftykins> i just got in from the pub
[00:19] <daftykins> i'm a little bit tipsy it must be said :(
[00:24] <penguin42> ah
[00:25] <daftykins> in fact i went to the pub before i had eaten anything
[00:25] <daftykins> so now i need to go and make some food
[00:25] <daftykins> but my affliction is that i always spell pretty much perfectly even when under the influence :<
[00:25] <penguin42> haha - no pub grub?
[00:25] <daftykins> i was too late for that really
[00:25] <daftykins> over here, the good pub that sells good ales doesn't do food :(
[07:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[09:30] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> R5L, 12:00 (UK) - F1
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> As it's only on Sky and/or other for-pay TV Channels :(
[09:32] <brobostigon> <----------- hangover central,
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> f1 sounds = good for afternoon nap ;)
[09:33] <brobostigon> :)
[10:05] <brobostigon> interesting films on, the original italian job, then ST6, :)
[10:05] <brobostigon> film4.
[10:06] <popey> I was singing the songs from the Italian Job last week while driving in these mountains... https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/cyjf6jYnTyS
[10:06] <popey> This didn't inspire confidence in my driving with my brother and sister
[10:06] <brobostigon> lol, woops.
[10:07] <MooDoo> just looked at the images on g+, it looks stunning.
[10:07] <popey> yeah, was amazing. took loads of pics, didn't want to flood with tooooo many ☻
[10:19] <brobostigon> i just noticed something, in the background, in charlie's flat in TIJ, a private eye poster in the background.
[10:36] <daftykins> ah-har that person's on with the EFI troubles
[10:37] <daftykins> i'm trying to convince the SATA port swap first \o/
[10:37] <daftykins> and disconnecting the other drive for fun
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: The tire is still inflated ;)
[11:05] <daftykins> popey: did you work out how to rescue all the gold bullion then? ;)
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: Baroque Cycle reference? :)
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: (with popey as Jack Shaftoe)
[11:06] <daftykins> Italian Job ;) as he mentioned above about his pics
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> ah :)
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> still.. stealing gold from the south of Spain is one of the things that sets the plot of the Baroque Cycle going ;)
[11:08] <daftykins> the who what now? :D
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baroque_Cycle
[11:09] <daftykins> 0o
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> it's a good set of books/doorstops ;)
[11:13] <daftykins> history is a big snore for me a lot of the time, sadly
[11:16] <daftykins> making some progress here at last
[11:16] <daftykins> got the SSD on the onboard 6Gb SATA
[11:17] <daftykins> and found out the BIOS is ancient
[11:20] <daftykins> scratch that, my hair pulling moment is getting closer
[11:20] <daftykins> :(
[11:22] <brobostigon> like a homer moment, when he finds out marge is pregnant.
[11:27] <daftykins> ;)
[11:27] <daftykins> it's ok, we're back on track
[11:28] <daftykins> just frustrating at times when you're helping someone that isn't quite as content to change hardware things as you yourself would be
[11:30] <SuperEngineer> '\o/'
[11:31] <penguin42> which reminds me, I need to figure out how to get the case back on my nook with the serial lead
[11:39] <SuperEngineer> back in a mo - just realised I'm on 3G dongle - switching to wireless
[12:25] <daftykins> YES \o/
[12:25] <daftykins> dafty wins again, the lass' EFI install worked this time :)
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> yay
[12:28] <daftykins> taking the SSD off the external Marvell controller and making it become /dev/sda instead of sdb was the ticket
[12:28] <daftykins> plus a bit of judicial partition nuking with gparted before running ubiquity
[12:28] <daftykins> \o/
[13:41] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: aww she got a kernel panic on reboot after an upgrade :(
[13:42] <penguin42> daftykins: What panic?
[13:44] <daftykins> "kernel panic -nott syncing attempted to kill init!"
[13:44] <daftykins> she typed that
[13:44] <daftykins> i'm asking her to try booting the older kernel
[13:46] <MartijnVdS>   sounds like it can't find / /
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> ?
[13:46] <daftykins> the liveCD installed -19 kernel worked fine
[13:47] <daftykins> -22 gave the panic, though i'm not sure if maybe it was just a one off
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> weirdness
[13:47] <daftykins> sequence of events are that she updated, then overwrote her /home with a backup from 12.04
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> maybe the update-grub confused the system
[13:48] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm trying to remember, trying to kill init suggests it found an init but then died - odd
[13:48] <penguin42> I want this display: http://www.pcworld.com/video/26362/inside-at-t-s-network-operations-center.html
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: if it has its initramdisk, it has an "init"
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: if that can't find the proper /, it'll "die"
[13:49] <penguin42> true
[13:56] <daftykins> ah it just worked on a second try
[13:56] <daftykins> so maybe it was a fluke
[13:56] <daftykins> i recommended running memtest sometime to be sure the system is ok, but maybe it was just a one-off
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> weird!
[14:00] <daftykins> sure was
[14:03] <daftykins> apparently it's saying permission denied a lot as she's overwriting all her ~/ dot files 0o
[14:08] <daftykins> surely not many of them are locked during use?
[14:10] <penguin42> she hasn't created a new user or has two installs and this is a different install?
[14:13] <daftykins> the old /home is from a 12.04 yeah - i had her chmod it to her username to move over as she wanted her config back
[14:14] <penguin42> maybe a chown -R ? On the directory not on directory/*
[14:14] <daftykins> yeah did that
[14:20] <daftykins> i think she installed with encryption so that might've caused the temporary panic before?
[14:32] <daftykins> can you make the login screen the same resolution as your desktop res? for like in a VM where the native resolution isn't auto set
[14:40] <daftykins> is there an easy way to remount /dev/shm as read+write versus read only?
[14:42] <penguin42> wth would /dev/shm be read only?!
[14:43] <daftykins> oh, turns out her chroot didn't have /dev/shm at all
[14:43] <penguin42> nod
[14:43] <daftykins> penguin42: apparently it's a security consideration :D
[14:43] <daftykins> although basically she's decrypting her /home in the livecd to try and copy the other /home backup onto it
[14:43] <daftykins> if that makes sense
[14:43] <penguin42> nod
[14:43] <daftykins> i've no idea why it was proving so impossible within desktop, but that's the idea she's come up with
[14:43] <daftykins> :D
[14:44] <penguin42> only thing I can think is stuff getting confused if she has two lvm volume groups with the same name?
[14:44] <daftykins> i got her to install with LVM off
[14:45] <daftykins> what'd be the right way to mount /dev/shm for the chroot? she tried: sudo mount -o bind /dev/shm /mnt/dev/shm
[15:22] <daftykins> penguin42: kristenbb is the one with the /home troubles, not sure if you feel like helping out - you've definitely more experience than me :D
[15:23] <kristenbb> hi
[15:23] <penguin42> oh oh.....
[15:23] <penguin42> kristenbb: So what state is this thing in then?
[15:23] <kristenbb> how can I access my encrypted home from a live cd ? I tried mounting the system (and binding proc, sys and dev) and then chrooting into it, but when I 'su kristenbb', it says: 'open: permission denied. error locking counter'. How to avoid that ?
[15:24] <penguin42> kristenbb: When you say encrypted, is that encrypted whole dist (luks/lvm) or is it ecryptfs - just encrypted home?
[15:24] <kristenbb> just home
[15:24] <penguin42> ^dist^disk
[15:24] <penguin42> ah, hmm I've only done whole disk
[15:25] <kristenbb> well with 12.04 I was able to decrypt the home folder with just the commands above, plus ecryptfs-mount-private
[15:25] <kristenbb> but here with 13.04 I get this error locking counter error.
[15:26] <penguin42> I've not seen that counter message before
[15:29] <daftykins> surprises are what we love though right? :D
[15:30] <daftykins> tackling the root cause of trying to just overwrite the /home data outside of the livecd could be another plan though
[15:30] <daftykins> but yeah we were both stumped as to why that would do that
[15:31] <penguin42> kristenbb: did you run the ecryptfs-mount-private before running the su ?
[15:31] <kristenbb> no
[15:31] <kristenbb> the sequence was:
[15:32] <kristenbb> the bunch of mount commands, then chroot, then su kristen, then the error message (this is the output, but the command still returns)
[15:32] <kristenbb> and then if I try ecryptfs-mount-private, it remains encrypted.
[15:32] <penguin42> ok, try the ecrypytfs-mount-private before the su
[15:33] <mungbean> what a numpty i am
[15:33] <daftykins> her chroot didn't have /dev/shm at all, which seemed to be what it wants for the decrypt
[15:33] <mungbean> faffed around installing kindle app on wine,
[15:33] <mungbean> just realisd chrome has a kindle app
[15:33] <mungbean> no faffing required
[15:33] <kristenbb> penguin42: are you sure it makes sense ? If I don't log into /home/kristen, how would it know which user to decrypt ? It would try to decrypt the root home, would it not ?
[15:34] <penguin42> kristenbb: Well, according to the thing on the web it looks for a .Private directory
[15:34]  * penguin42 should at this point state I've never done this
[15:34] <kristenbb> penguin42: if I use it from root, it says: error: encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[15:35]  * kristenbb never have I
[15:35] <kristenbb> on 13.04
[15:35] <kristenbb> but on 12.04 it worked fine.
[15:36] <penguin42> don't know then - I've never used ecryptfs - always stuck to luks
[15:36] <kristenbb> it seems an overkill to encrypt system files that are otherwise public. just my own files would be enough, and would be probably faster too
[15:37] <penguin42> kristenbb: Well, that depends
[15:37] <kristenbb> besides aren't there cold boot issues with full disk encryption ?
[15:37] <penguin42> kristenbb: Since luks encrypts everything it doesn't have the same per-file penalty, but it does have per-block penalty
[15:37] <penguin42> kristenbb: It's not quite full - /boot isn't encrypted
[15:39] <penguin42> kristenbb: But it does mean things like swap and any place you might drop temporaries get encrypted
[15:39] <kristenbb> so what to do from here?  Yet another install ? I've had a lot of issues to install this one, many many hours spent in the last week, over 10 installs
[15:40] <penguin42> you've got different problems if you're doing 10 installs - go back, what's the full story
[15:40] <kristenbb> that's a long story
[15:40] <penguin42> kristenbb: First, what are you installing on?
[15:40] <daftykins> the EFI troubles i solved by helping her change SATA port, penguin42
[15:41] <penguin42> oh god EFI
[15:41] <daftykins> :D
[15:41] <daftykins> yep
[15:41] <daftykins> SSD was on an external controller by Marvell before
[15:41] <daftykins> i figured it was causing issues
[15:42] <daftykins> kristenbb: which made 11th time the charm, didn't it? :D
[15:42] <penguin42>  'external controller' - what do you mean?
[15:42] <kristenbb> daftykins: yes it did
[15:42] <daftykins> her motherboard has a Marvell chip alongside the intel PCH SATA ports
[15:42] <daftykins> providing two additional SATA 6Gb/sec ports
[15:42] <penguin42> kristenbb: So hang on, forgetting about the little issue of your encrypted data, what state is everything in?
[15:42] <kristenbb> penguin42: everything is fine
[15:43] <daftykins> penguin42: she's got a fresh EFI install on the SSD, with some data on a 3TB storage drive beside it
[15:43] <kristenbb> penguin42: I would just like to get it working again, by copying my old home into my new computer
[15:43] <penguin42> kristenbb: ok, great - now you say you can get to the encrypted data from 12.04 ?
[15:43] <kristenbb> penguin42: and incidentally, I'd like to be able to get to my files from a live cd if anything should go wrong
[15:43] <kristenbb> penguin42: I don't have 12.04 anymore, but I copied my old home into another drive, yes
[15:44] <penguin42> kristenbb: OK, hang on - what version do you have currently installed?
[15:44] <kristenbb> 13.04
[15:44] <penguin42> with encryption or without?
[15:44] <kristenbb> with
[15:44] <kristenbb> with home encryption
[15:44] <kristenbb> not full disk
[15:45] <penguin42> ok, what I was about to suggest won't work then
[15:45] <penguin42> what is your install on, and what is your old encrypted data on?
[15:45] <kristenbb> the old home is not encrypted
[15:45] <kristenbb> anymore
[15:46] <penguin42> so why are you trying to use ecryptfs-recover-private?
[15:46] <kristenbb> I just plan to copy it back into the new system, and securely delete it.
[15:46] <kristenbb> penguin42: I'm just trying to copy these unencrypted files into my new home, which is encrypted
[15:47] <penguin42> but if you boot into your 13.04 doesn't automagically decrypt them - or is that the problem?
[15:48] <kristenbb> it does, but it says permission error on some files when I try to copy them, I'm assuming that's because they're in use
[15:48] <kristenbb> hence all the livecd and chrooting issues
[15:48] <kristenbb> however
[15:48] <penguin42> kristenbb: OK, so let me just clarify; your new 13.04 is running just fine with encrypted home directory all perms are fine, no problem ?
[15:49] <kristenbb> even if there's another solution to copy the files into the new home without going through the chroot issues, I'd still like to know how to access my files from outside the new system, jusst in case
[15:49] <kristenbb> penguin42: right
[15:49] <penguin42> kristenbb: OK, so the only problem is extracting the data from the old home?
[15:49] <kristenbb> penguin42: well I did have a kernel panic, but maybe it was just random
[15:49] <kristenbb> penguin42: no
[15:49] <penguin42> kristenbb: So what's the other problem?
[15:49] <kristenbb> penguin42: the only problem is putting the data back to the new home.
[15:50] <penguin42> kristenbb: Right, ok
[15:50] <kristenbb> penguin42: the extraction is done.
[15:50] <penguin42> kristenbb: as root, chown -R youruser on the old data, then as your new user copy that data
[15:51] <kristenbb> from the livecd?
[15:51] <penguin42> no
[15:51] <penguin42> kristenbb: From your booted, happy system
[15:51] <penguin42> kristenbb: on your booted happy system, where is your old data?
[15:51] <kristenbb> this I had done before, and I got these permission errors
[15:51] <kristenbb> penguin42: another disk
[15:52] <penguin42> kristenbb: OK, lets take it step at a time
[15:52] <kristenbb> penguin42: but as I said, I'd still like to be able to access my new home from outside the new system, in case anything ever happens.
[15:53] <kristenbb> and I think that if I solve this issue, I'll be able to solve the other one regarding the permission errors as well.
[15:53] <penguin42> kristenbb: well, I don't know how to do that with ecryptfs except as suggested with that webpage, and if that's not working I've not got any suggestions on that except don't use it
[15:53] <kristenbb> :(
[15:55] <penguin42> I can do it with luks, but I've never touched ecryptfs - you might have more look if you find an ecryptfs wrangler
[15:55] <penguin42> but as you might notice, I kind of treat ecryptfs like dangerous black magic
[15:55] <daftykins> >:D
[15:56] <kristenbb> :'(
[15:57] <daftykins> i was amused at the black magic reference but yeah that's a shame
[15:57] <daftykins> i didn't follow the above sadly as i'm on the phone
[15:57] <penguin42> kristenbb: So if you boot a 13.04 rescue disk and then try that manual ecryptfs stuff can you unlock it?
[15:58] <kristenbb> by rescue disk you mean live cd ?
[15:59] <penguin42> yeh
[15:59] <kristenbb> and what do you mean by manual ?
[16:01] <penguin42> well using the ecryptfs-mount-private from the live cd
[16:01] <kristenbb> well no I can't unlock it using this command, that's the whole point of my question.
[16:02] <penguin42> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html  says to run the ecryptfs-recover-private under sudo - not as your user
[16:02] <kristenbb> my question is: how to unlock my home folder from a live cd, seeing as I get this 'error locking counter' error when chrooting and then using 'su kristen'.
[16:02] <penguin42> kristenbb: Try following that page and don't do the su
[16:03] <kristenbb> well then if I don't do the su, I get this other error
[16:03] <kristenbb> error: encrypted private directory is not setup correctly
[16:05] <penguin42> ok, then you need an ecryptfs expert - sorry, I don't know where to go on that
[16:05] <kristenbb> would you happen to know one ? :)
[16:06] <penguin42> no
[16:06] <kristenbb> :(
[16:09] <penguin42> I think they all hide from people trying to recover their data
[16:17] <daftykins> penguin42: :D
[16:39] <daftykins> kristenbb: sorry we couldn't get 100% of the way :(
[16:39] <kristenbb> it's ok i'll be waiting until someone that knows how to solve this gets here
[16:40] <daftykins> :<
[16:40] <daftykins> i wonder if it's the encryption not helping
[16:41] <kristenbb> but this has nothing to do with ecryptfs though, even without writing anything encryption related, i get this error with su. this is anormal
[16:41] <daftykins> i was thinking back to the main task of just the /home overwriting really
[16:47] <kristenbb> what will happeen when I really need to recover my home though?
[16:48]  * penguin42 pats luks
[18:29] <penguin42> Rule number 5: When debugging something that doesn't make sense, check you're looking at the right log file
[19:02] <daftykins> penguin42: :D
[19:03] <daftykins> penguin42: #6: on the right system
[19:03] <daftykins> <--been there done that
[19:04] <penguin42> hehe yes
[19:05] <penguin42> kind of just about has his Nook ST running X  - but it's far from happy :-)
[19:14] <daftykins> :O
[19:14] <daftykins> just for fun? :)
[19:20] <penguin42> well yeh and insanity :-)
[19:21]  * penguin42 has an xclock on the display, but there are some...minor... problems
[19:21] <penguin42> like it not getting the touchscreen and it only updating the eink display when I give it a command
[19:28] <daftykins> penguin42: heh i bet doing graphics would work it harder than its' used to :D
[19:38] <penguin42> yeh someone has a demo with angry birds running on it with a kernel patch to put the eink into fastmode, but I've not figured that out yet
[19:53] <mungbean> whats it like as an ebook rdr
[19:53] <daftykins> penguin42: were you able to contact the guy? or do you want the challenge for yourself? :D
[19:59] <penguin42> mungbean: Awful iMHO - it offers a choice of a font too large or a font too small; I'm hoping I can put something nicer on; I guess that's also doable under android
[19:59] <penguin42> daftykins: there are some patches and stuff I'm using and I've asked some people who've got a bit further on different models as well
[20:00] <daftykins> cool :)
[20:03] <mungbean> not even 30 quid worth penguin42 ?
[20:03] <mungbean> maybe font is easily hackable
[20:04] <penguin42> mungbean: I guess it depends what you're reading - I was trying to read PDFs, I suspect stuff specifically formatted for it are probably OK
[20:08] <penguin42> daftykins: Nook supply the kernel source which is good; it's a bit ancient though
[20:08] <daftykins> ah that's good of them
[20:09] <penguin42> it's 2.6.29 which is a bit grim (too old for udev for example) - it's not clear to me what the parentage of the source is, and there are loads of different Android and ARM trees out there
[21:03] <daftykins> penguin42: you could be the official cyanogenmod project runner :O
[21:03] <daftykins> penguin42: to port CM onto it \o/
[21:20] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:22] <daftykins> heya
[21:22] <daftykins> how are you today bigcalm ?
[21:22] <bigcalm> daftykins: splendid thank you. And yourself?
[21:23] <daftykins> yep, tired but good thanks :)
[21:24] <daftykins> just got introduced to Joe Walsh - Life's Been Good :O
[21:26] <bigcalm> Whom?
[22:05] <daftykins> bigcalm: some famous musician
[22:06] <daftykins> anyone - is it ok to just create custom scripts in /etc/init.d/ called whatever i want?
[22:14] <penguin42> yes
[22:15] <daftykins> cool
[22:15] <daftykins> i found a guide how to do what i was after
[22:15] <daftykins> http://www.glennposton.com/posts/how_to_get_noip_client_working_in_ubuntu_1104
[22:15] <daftykins> helping this guy out
[22:15] <daftykins> that was a init script for a dynamic domain updater :>
[22:15] <daftykins> from noip
[22:47] <daftykins> penguin42: what do i run to find out what a file is? i downloaded a java .jar but it might be zipped or something :S
[22:47] <penguin42> jar's are zips themselves
[22:48] <penguin42> daftykins: use the    file    command
[22:48] <daftykins> ah that's the one
[22:48] <daftykins> craftbukkit-dev.jar: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract
[22:49] <directhex> yeah, jar files *are* zips
[22:49] <directhex> so are docx, and odt
[22:49] <directhex> and zip]
[22:50] <daftykins> i just installed oracle java
[22:50] <daftykins> i can't even tab complete this jar let alone run it
[22:50] <daftykins> java craftbukkit-dev.jar
[22:50] <daftykins> Error: Could not find or load main class craftbukkit-dev.jar
[22:50] <directhex> java -jar
[22:50] <daftykins> aaah
[22:50] <daftykins> ty sir :)
[22:52] <daftykins> 02:51:30 [WARNING] Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded?
[22:52] <daftykins> lol
[22:52] <daftykins> need to adjust the RAM parameters i see
[23:23] <penguin42> dpkg on uSD is slow
[23:25] <daftykins> penguin42: :(
[23:25] <penguin42> I guess I should swap to the class 10 I got
[23:28] <daftykins> definitely
[23:28] <daftykins> overclock that sucker ;)
[23:29]  * penguin42 is just waiting for epiphany-browser to install 
[23:31] <daftykins> alright i think it's time to sleep
[23:31] <daftykins> i'm going to Sark on the boat with friends tomorrow hopefully
[23:31] <daftykins> (small island near mine with 600 people and no cars)
[23:31] <penguin42> nod I've heard of it
[23:32] <daftykins> :D
[23:32] <penguin42> which island are you on?
[23:32] <daftykins> it's a beaut
[23:32] <daftykins> Guernsey here
[23:32] <penguin42> nice
[23:32] <daftykins> Sark's quite literally in my bailiwick :)
[23:33] <daftykins> hmm 10am there and 6pm back boats
[23:34] <daftykins> £27.80 omfg
[23:36] <penguin42> cheaper than getting to London from here
[23:38] <daftykins> O_O
[23:40] <daftykins> penguin42 directhex thanks for the help guys, nn!