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=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za
Kilosmorning guys06:36
Cantidemorning '-'/06:37
CantideKilos, see CanStudy https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/IMG_0212.JPG06:37
Kiloswell done lad06:38
Cantidethanks :)06:38
Cantidestudying is starting to pay off already06:38
Kilostell more06:39
Cantidenot much more to tell right now :p06:42
Cantidei have a job waiting in Korea, just need to sort out my documents and get going :)06:42
Kilosthen what you mean by its paying off already06:42
Cantidejob is waiting :)06:42
Kilosoh great06:42
Cantidethey wanted me to go there next week06:42
Cantidebut it's too soon, so i'll get a September position instead06:43
Kilosas magespawn says cool beans06:43
Kiloshehe06:43
Cantide:)06:43
Kilosive always wondered, once you have the qualifications do you throw that funny hat away?06:49
Kiloshi georgelappies you early06:50
Cantidethe attire was hired06:50
Kilosah06:50
Cantideonly had it at the venue06:50
Cantideand i had to put down a R 300 deposit06:50
Kiloswow06:50
Kilosfor 300 bucks i want a nice leather jacket at least06:51
Cantidelol06:51
Kilosor more ram06:52
Cantidei'd go with the ram06:52
Cantidewell, i have enough06:52
Cantidebut if i needed it06:52
Kiloslol06:52
Kilosultimate aim here is 15 with 8g ram06:52
Cantidei have 8 GB :) i use about 7% of it :)06:53
Kilosthis pc can only take 2x1g06:53
Cantide:(06:53
* Cantide sends Kilos a PC06:54
Kilosand cant find another 1g so using 1.5g06:54
Kilosgracias06:54
Kilossdr ram still this m/b06:54
Cantide._.06:54
Kilosi actually got one but it clashes with this 1g one in here06:55
Kilosgrrr06:55
Kilosram so particular06:55
Cantideyeah, ram is one of the weakest components06:56
Cantide:(06:56
Cantidebut it's relatively cheap06:56
Cantidei got my 8GB for under R 30006:56
Kilosddr3 is cheap06:56
Cantideyup06:56
Cantideso it pays to have a newish m/b06:57
Cantideinstead of buying aging ram06:57
Kilossdr is R250 if you can find one for 1g06:57
Cantidenot worth it :p06:57
Kilosnope06:58
Cantideand it's more likely to fail06:58
Cantidebecause it's old06:58
Kilosive never had one fail but they clash if not the same make06:59
Cantideah yeah06:59
Cantidei've had that before .-.06:59
Kiloshi jmagunduni 07:00
jmagundunihi Kilos .07:00
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:49
Vince-0g'day g'day07:49
Kilosthe fly will be there 2nd june07:49
Kilospoke them okeys organizing the UH07:50
Vince-0k07:57
Vince-0*poke nuvolari, kbmonkey08:04
Vince-0I'll email em08:05
Kilosty Vince-0 08:05
Kilosi dunno if pokes work from here08:05
Kilosctcp pings maybe08:05
Kilosi think thats what they are called08:06
Kilosmaybe just a get together so you guys can meet the fly08:07
KilosCantide, you see?08:09
Kiloslast chance to meet the fly, i dont think he will go to korea08:10
ThatGraemeGuyhello peeps08:11
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 08:11
Kiloswhats news ThatGraemeGuy ?08:23
CantideKilos, hahaha :p08:23
ThatGraemeGuynot much, wet, rainy, relaxed sunday down here :)08:24
ThatGraemeGuyand you?08:24
Kiloslol just checking up on all the guys08:25
Kilosand feeling sorry for the fly08:25
Kilosthats a long journey08:25
Kilosand playing with pcs as usual. even got win7 going on other pc08:26
ThatGraemeGuysounds like fun08:29
ThatGraemeGuyi used to do stuff like that08:29
Kiloshehe08:29
ThatGraemeGuyno time anymore :)08:29
Kilosyeah you guys are too busy08:29
ThatGraemeGuyspeaking of which, it's time for me to go colour in08:30
ThatGraemeGuy:-D08:30
Kiloshehe08:30
ThatGraemeGuyhappy sunday, chat again tomorrow08:30
* ThatGraemeGuy disappears08:30
Kilosyou too08:30
Kilosenjoy08:30
not_foundnice that the fly keeping us posted on his journey through middle earth10:51
XethronKilos: heya11:57
XethronYou there?12:00
Kiloshi Xethron 12:00
Kilossup?12:01
XethronKilos: I got the seals form seal center12:01
XethronSo thanks :)12:01
Kiloscool12:01
XethronBut I realized I missed one... So I'll be going in next weekend to get one more12:01
Kiloslol12:01
XethronBut the ones on the pipes are fitted12:01
XethronSo not sure if they are working, but will find out soon enough12:02
Kilosgood you just gotta stop any air getting in then you are fine12:02
XethronI still see bubbles in the pipes, but not sure why12:03
XethronWill see if it continues12:03
XethronNext idea is to replace the diesel filter again12:03
Kilosthats in the pipe to the pump from the filter?12:03
Kiloshow old is the filter12:03
XethronIt goes in/out of the filter (Not sure about direction)12:04
Xethronbrand new12:04
XethronThats when problems started12:04
Xethronright after I replaced the diesel filter12:04
Kilosif you disconnect the pipe from the tank does diesel come through easy12:05
Kilosor must you suck hard12:05
Kiloscould be some blockage that side12:06
Kilosor even another filter12:06
Kilosone often gets dirty diesel from pumps12:06
Kilosmaybe try get a manual for your vehicle12:07
Kilosmust be one online somewhere to download12:08
Xethronhmm12:09
Kiloseven a sieve or strainer in or near the tank12:11
XethronWell, everything was working fine before my last service12:11
XethronOnly once I replaced the Diesel filter did the problems start12:11
Kilosya but that can be because old seals had bedded them selves in well over time12:12
=== Cantide is now known as CanCycle
kbmonkeygreets13:05
not_foundo/13:05
kbmonkeywhat's up not_found 13:06
not_foundnot to much kbmonkey , and there?13:06
kbmonkeysame. too lazy today to play with python or bash :p13:07
not_found:)13:08
kbmonkeyI could not get puppy linux booting off usb :(13:10
Kiloshi kbmonkey 13:49
Kilosnot_found, too13:49
Kiloskbmonkey, you guys organising an UH or some get together for the 2nd when the fly arrives13:50
Kilos?13:50
not_foundalo13:51
kbmonkeyhi Kilos, yes13:53
kbmonkeyfor the 2nd13:53
Kilosyip thats when he says he will be there13:54
=== CanCycle is now known as Cantide
Kilosforgot to ask if he was only arriving then or will be there from night before13:55
Kiloshe might be on here tonight from ahga haga wherever that might be13:56
kbmonkeyI am not sure, I guess its a few day thing13:57
Kilos'so kbmonkey tell me where to get crunchbang with wget and what all i will need to get it going please13:59
Kilosgotta use some night surfer13:59
trenderyo oom14:00
Kilosyo trender 14:00
trenderate far to much at ocean basket14:01
trendercame home beached my self on the bed14:01
Kiloslekker14:01
kbmonkeylol14:01
kbmonkeyfood sounds good!14:01
trendernot lekker felt like i needed to puke14:01
kbmonkeyany particular reason you want to try crunchbang Kilos ? find it here: http://crunchbang.org/download/14:02
Kilosty14:02
kbmonkeyit's just over 700MB14:02
kbmonkeyremember it is openbox. but since wheezy went stable it is pretty nice14:03
Kilosand then upgrades?14:03
Kiloswill look at it if i can stay up so late in the cold14:03
kbmonkeyI made a new install last night, the upgrades for a clean install is about 300MB14:03
Kiloswhew14:04
kbmonkeydoes your *buntu not work so well, or are you just bored Kilos? 14:04
Kilosall threee ubuntu's running fine so no probs to sort14:04
kbmonkeybut I do that too, at month end if there is data over I will download a new linux :)14:05
Kiloshehe14:05
kbmonkeyI recommend the 32-bit14:06
Kilosmy pc only does 32 bit14:06
kbmonkeyyou can always run a command that wil sleep and then start the download for you later, so you don't have to click the button yoruself.14:07
kbmonkeyhow much memory does your PC carry, Kilos?14:08
Kilos1.5g14:08
kbmonkeythen you don't need the PAE version. that only allows your pc to use more then 3GB of memory14:09
kbmonkeyI don't suppose you download with torrent often?14:09
Kilosnever14:10
kbmonkeydo you have "transmission" apps?14:10
Kilos?14:10
Kiloswhat is openbox?14:11
kbmonkeyopenbox is a window manager. 14:11
=== Xethron_ is now known as Xethron
=== Cantide is now known as CanShower
kbmonkeylike you have the xfce window manager14:13
Kilosoh not like xmonad14:14
kbmonkeyjust know Kilos: there is no 'start' button. you right-click on the desktop for the menu.14:14
kbmonkeyno not like xmonad :)14:14
Kiloswhew14:14
Kiloshehe14:14
kbmonkeyits stacking, that means it behaves like gnome/xfce14:14
Kilosill give it a try when i got it14:15
kbmonkeyit is just very light. it has hundreds (almost!) of themes to choose from14:15
Kiloswith package manager and so on?14:15
Kiloslight is good for old pcs14:15
kbmonkeyit uses aptitude, the same as ubuntu before the software manager existed14:16
Kiloscool14:16
kbmonkeyyou still have a taskbar that shows you open windows, and a tray with the clock and such14:17
Kiloswell if i get it and cant get it going ill mail you to come chat here14:18
Kilosoh you had 3g probs too14:18
kbmonkeysure!14:18
Kilosno nm that works14:18
kbmonkeyya 8ta put their site in 'maintennace' mode last night14:18
kbmonkeytransmission is to program used to download from torrent14:19
Kiloswhats the diffs14:19
kbmonkeyyou just download the .torrent file, and click on it, and transmission opens it. you choose where to save the .iso, and click add14:19
kbmonkeydoes ubuntu come with transmission by default?14:20
kbmonkeyor doyou have something else?14:20
Kilosi like wget because net sucks14:20
kbmonkeyyou cant wget because its a torrent14:20
Kilosand -c does continue14:20
tumbleweedkbmonkey: it does14:20
Kilosaw14:20
kbmonkeybut its fine because torrent also continues14:20
Kilosoh14:20
Kiloshi tumbleweed 14:21
tumbleweedhi Kilos14:21
kbmonkeyhi tumbleweed 14:21
tumbleweedre transmission: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5703671/14:21
Kilosty14:21
tumbleweedso, transmission-gtk is on the CD for most of the flavours14:21
Kilosand 12.0414:21
kbmonkeyKilos, I ask because I can help you set up the download. then you can run a command in terminal that will start transmission for you tonight, so you can go sleep :)14:22
kbmonkeylol14:22
Kiloslol14:22
kbmonkeyah thanks for the info tumbleweed, yes I thought transmission came by default14:22
Kilosmust i do something with that paste14:23
tumbleweedno, that was just informational14:23
Kiloscool ty14:23
KilosTransmission is a file-sharing program. When you run a torrent, its data will be made available to others by means of upload. You and you alone are fully responsible for exercising proper judgement and abiding by your local laws.14:24
Kilos?14:24
Kilosi found the thing wit5h dash14:25
Kiloswith as well14:25
Kilosmust i accept that kbmonkey 14:27
=== CanShower is now known as Cantide
Tonberry_transmission is a torrent client, torrents are often used to spread illegal material14:32
Tonberry_if you dont download anything illegal with it you will be fine14:32
kbmonkeyits for download linux distros Tonberry_ 14:33
kbmonkeykilos, I writ you some steps on how you can setup transmission to auto download for you late at night:14:34
kbmonkeyhttp://pastebin.com/S2VmWFcc14:34
Tonberry_just saying torrent clients are perfectly legal as long as you only download/upload legal content like linux isos14:34
* Cantide clicks on kbmonkey's link14:34
Kiloswbb14:35
Cantideoh, thanks nice info, thanks :)14:35
kbmonkeycool Cantide :) sleep is a great command. I use if often14:36
kbmonkeyCantide, you can try this on for size: alias coffee='(sleep 270 && zenity --info --title="coffee" --text="Coffee ready\!") &'14:38
Cantideumm...14:39
Cantidewhat does that do?14:39
kbmonkeyit creates an alias called "coffee" that pops up a message after 5 minutes announcing that coffee is ready. lol.14:40
Cantidelol14:41
Cantidenice if the kettle is boiling14:41
kbmonkeyoh my scanner detected incoming UFO!14:42
kbmonkeyyes it is lol14:42
Cantideo_O14:42
kbmonkeyopenxcom14:42
kbmonkeyarg, it got away. my interceptors are not fast enough14:43
Kilosty kbmonkey 14:45
Kiloshy psychicist 14:45
Cantideoh..14:47
Cantidewhere can i get that?14:48
Cantideoh14:48
Cantidei found it after a simple google search :p14:48
kbmonkeythere is a site for openxcom :)14:48
kbmonkeyyou do need the original game data files though14:48
Cantideah, and yeah14:48
Cantidei just saw that14:48
Cantideso.. not possible -.-14:48
Cantideunless i pirate it14:48
Cantidei've actually got the original of a newer one14:49
Cantideall pretty and 3D14:49
Cantidebut it's for Windows -.-14:49
kbmonkeywhich one is that Cantide?14:51
Cantideumm14:51
Cantidehold on14:51
Kiloskbmonkey, whats with all the flashing adds in that paste14:51
Cantidei'll look for it14:51
Cantidekbmonkey, UFO: Afterlight14:52
kbmonkeypastebin has ads?14:52
kbmonkeyold games like those are abondonware14:53
Kilosyeah14:54
Kilosslexy.org is much better14:55
kbmonkeywhat is for dinner everyone?14:55
Kilosonly your paste not the wweeds14:55
kbmonkeystrange. I use adblock, hardly see any.14:56
Kilosif i got the energy will make chilli bites14:56
Cantidekbmonkey, some kind of pilaf14:56
Cantidewhat about you?14:56
kbmonkeyoooh pilaf! good good.14:57
kbmonkeynot sure yet Cantide, I might just make burgers14:57
kbmonkeyor roast vegetables14:57
Cantidei've actually been dying to make burgers15:00
Cantidetired of KFC or McDonald's burgers15:00
Kiloseeek tired of kentucky15:01
Kilosbest chicken out15:01
* not_found hears burgers and gets hungry15:01
Kiloshehe dont they make them there not_found ?15:01
Kiloscamel burgers15:02
not_foundsure, we have way more choices in the big city i would suspect than SA... this place is little america :p15:02
not_foundbut I am in the small town so I have to eat the lesser known burgers...15:02
Kiloslol15:03
not_foundwife decided it is eggs and bacon for dinner cause she not in the mood to cook :p15:03
not_foundwhich is fair enough :)15:03
Kilosthats good too15:03
not_foundI am also not in the mood to cook15:03
Kilosbacon lekker at anytime15:03
not_foundwonder if we have real bacon ...?!15:04
not_foundanyway turkey bacon is the best bacon ever...15:04
kbmonkeyi'll just throw some stuff in the oven and let it cook itself. he he15:04
Kilosslow cookers are good for single peeps15:04
* not_found does that to the microwave15:04
Kiloschuck everything in in the morning and eat at night15:05
psychicisthi Kilos 15:08
psychicisthallo Cantide :)15:08
Cantidehello :)15:08
psychicisthi kbmonkey 15:08
psychicisthi not_found15:08
not_foundo/15:09
Kilospsychicist, welcome to ubuntu-za15:09
psychicistI decided to finally set up irssi on kubuntu, now I need to get a computer I can have connected 24/715:09
psychicistKilos, it's me psydroid using my original nick15:09
Kilosyou dont like quassel and konversation?15:09
Kilosoh15:09
Kilossneaky15:09
psychicistI haven't tried either of them yet15:10
psychicisthehe15:10
psychicistI just need to join a large number of channels and only irssi has been able to do so without problems so far15:10
Kilosthe fly uses many channels on quassel15:12
Kilosand the pro can tell you about konversation15:12
Kilosi use it on kubuntu15:12
Kiloslots a stuff you can configure15:12
psychicistyeah, I will check them out, thanks15:16
charl_good evening15:17
psychicisthi charl_ 15:18
Kiloshi charl_ you sue kubuntu and quassel15:18
charl_hi psychicist 15:18
charl_Kilos: i use kubuntu but not quassel, i use irssi15:18
Kilosuse15:18
Kilosah15:18
charl_Maaz: coffee on15:18
* Maaz flips the salt-timer15:18
charl_Kilos: is there something you wanted to know?15:18
Kilospsychicist, is setting up irssi there and i told him try konversation or quassel15:19
Kilosi didnt enjoy irssi15:19
charl_it's a personal preference15:19
charl_i tried quassel but didn't like it myself, never tried konversation for irc15:20
charl_i run irssi inside screen, it's handy because i can run it on my desktop or on a server15:21
Kiloskonversation quassel and xchat are very similar but i find you can configure more in konversation15:21
charl_you can do a bunch of configuration inside irssi, even themes and stuff, but i never bother15:21
charl_i literally use irssi as-is15:22
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_!15:22
charl_Maaz: thanks15:23
Maazcharl_: Sure15:23
Kiloslike ctrl+r puts a line across where you want it to so you can check any other time without going past where you left off15:23
charl_that's a handy feature15:23
Kilosyeah15:23
Kilosand i got konversation to bloep like xchat which i couldnt with quassel15:24
charl_i found quassel's user interface to be very confusing as a first--timer15:24
charl_it's not like other irc clients15:24
charl_but that doesn't make it bad or anything15:24
Kilosbut the okes with quassel client can bounce from fone to pc etc with same nick15:25
Kilosya you gotta sit and think with quassel15:25
charl_you can do that with any bnc or if you run irssi+screen as well15:25
charl_it might be handy to have the bnc integrated with your irc client but it's not a necessity15:25
charl_if you have irssi+screen running on the terminal you can use irc from any device with an ssh client15:26
charl_not sure how irssi would look at mobile phone resolution though15:26
charl_should work fine on a tablet15:26
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Kiloswell the pro and fly and a few others use quassel so it must have merits15:27
Cantidei like xchat :)15:27
charl_yeah, like i said, personal preference15:27
Cantideyup15:27
Cantidethere is no other functionality i need15:27
charl_i like xchat too actually, a good all-round x-based client :)15:27
Cantideso this is fine :)15:27
Cantideoh15:27
Kilosxchat works best on ubuntu15:28
Kilosno sound on kde though15:28
Cantidei didn't even realise the x stood for x (as silly as that sounds)15:28
Kiloslol15:28
charl_no idea if it does, i just assumed it does15:28
charl_Cantide: btw, check out what i found yesterday: http://www.crazykawaii.com/15:29
charl_in paris this september15:29
* Cantide clicks15:30
Cantidethose shirts for 2 people look rather impractical :D15:30
Cantidewhat happens when one person needs the toilet?15:31
charl_where is that? haven't seen it15:33
Cantidethat giant flash ad that changes now and then15:34
charl_oh, i think i saw it briefly15:34
Cantide:p15:34
charl_yeah crazy japan stuff but it looks hilarious15:34
charl_i see i can travel with eurolines from utrecht to paris for about 18 euro return ticket15:34
Cantideo_O15:34
charl_utrecht is about 1,5 hours from here on the train15:34
Cantidecool :)15:35
charl_just need to find a hotel then15:35
charl_yeah it looks like a good excuse to get out of the house :)15:35
charl_i always sit online i need to get out of the house :)15:36
Cantidedo it :D15:36
charl_yeah i'll organise it, i have too much leave anyway15:36
charl_i have like 400 hours saved up :(15:36
charl_i can only tranfer 120 hours over to next year so i'll lose the rest if i don't use it15:37
Cantideo.o15:38
Cantideah, in September i should be in Korea '-'v15:38
charl_heh i see julie watai will also be there, she is the girl in this film: http://youtu.be/cu7HQWHnzp815:39
charl_a girl in a maid outfit soldering ... only in japan :)15:39
Cantidelol15:39
Cantidehaha15:41
Cantide"will he speak Martian"15:41
Cantidei like her :p15:41
charl_yeah it's a furby hack, you wire it differently and it speaks funny15:41
charl_yeah kawaii otome-san des ne! :P15:43
charl_lol15:43
Cantidei didn't watch all of it :p15:44
Cantideso i didn't hear the result15:44
Cantide>.<15:44
charl_you can skip ahead but it's not too interesting15:44
charl_ok i need to go off and do stuff15:45
charl_bbl15:45
Cantidesee ya :p15:47
Cantideyour tail has grown longer16:05
kbmonkeylol16:07
kbmonkeyis it not strange how potatoes burn cuts worse than onions. 16:07
charl__finally got around to sorting out and uploading my photos from the other day: http://imgur.com/a/oIIcm16:18
charl__got some nice ones16:18
charl__bah netsplit16:19
=== charl__ is now known as charl_
charl_hi smile4ever 16:22
smile4everhi charl_16:31
smile4ever:D16:31
smile4everHave you seen my work on Wikipedia regarding soortenbank.nl? :p16:31
Kiloshi smile4ever 16:32
smile4everHi Kilos :)16:33
Kiloshmm... serious split16:38
Kilosah they back16:38
Kiloshi Julius129 16:47
Kiloswb16:47
Julius129hey Kilos :)16:47
kbmonkeyhello Julius129. hello Kilos 16:54
Kiloshi my monkey16:55
kbmonkeythe oven is almost done making my food16:55
kbmonkeyhe he16:55
Kilosoh ya16:56
Kilosyou need to sort the topics thing16:56
Kiloson no thats the pro16:56
Julius129i missed the meeting16:56
Julius129:(16:56
Kilosyeah16:57
Kilosoh well there is one every month16:57
Kilosyou can read the minutes if kbmonkey still has the link16:57
kbmonkeymaybe we should have an irc get together midway through the month16:57
kbmonkeymaaz will supply the drinks16:58
Kiloshehe16:58
Julius129i was on a plane monday night, with no wi-fi16:58
Kilosanything you like as long as its cyber coffee16:58
Kilosaw Julius129 never mind16:59
kbmonkeyno beer?17:01
Kilosi dont think maaz allows17:01
Julius129has anyone here hacked laptop firmware to support a different kind of minipci 3g card than the one offered by the manufacturer17:02
KilosJulius129, maybe try the flasrom guys17:04
Kilosflashrom17:04
Kilos#flashrom17:04
Kilosthey mess with it all the time17:05
charl_smile4ever: no, but it sounds interesting, tell me more :)17:05
charl_smile4ever: btw, i was close to belgium the other day, in maastricht17:05
smile4everNice, and you didn't come to visit me? :(17:06
charl_where are you exactly?17:06
charl_took a bunch of nice photos: http://imgur.com/a/oIIcm17:06
smile4everhttp://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/SmileBot <- The taxon ID's on soortenbank.nl have changed a while ago. I fixed those wrong ID's on wikipedia :)17:06
charl_ah i see, good work17:07
smile4evercharl_: exactly? Belsele :) That's near Sint-Niklaas (between Gent & Antwerpen, but more closely to Antwerpen)17:07
smile4evercharl_: thanks :)17:07
charl_ah i see17:07
charl_i don't know how the public transport works in belgium, i need to figure it out17:08
charl_in NL we have the ov chipkaart system17:08
charl_but i want to spend some more time in belgium this year17:08
smile4everIt works quite  well :) Here you can just buy a ticket on the bus or buy a ticket in the station for the train17:08
smile4everThere are also De Lijn-winkels, where you can buy a "prepaid" bus card :)17:09
smile4everWe have "zones", they cost 80 cents each17:09
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smile4everover 3 zones just counts as three (up to 9 for the price of 3)17:09
charl_ah i see17:10
smile4everso for three zones you pay 1,60+0,80 = 2,4017:10
charl_in NL they are trying to move away from handling cash on the bus as it is time consuming17:10
charl_i think they are trying to make it mandatory to travel using rfid17:10
smile4everYeah here you have a SMS number for De Lijn :D17:10
charl_in principle it's a good thing because it's super convenient but there are (naturally) privacy concerns17:10
smile4everyou can buy a digital ticket that way :)17:10
charl_ah i see17:11
charl_another place i want to visit this summer: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanse_Tuin_(Hasselt)17:11
smile4everBut it won't work well for you, since you have a Dutch rather than a Belgium sim card17:11
smile4everCool :)17:11
smile4everYou're welcome here :D17:12
charl_i don't even have a cellphone lol17:12
charl_yeah but they need to do something about the roaming rates17:12
charl_i live a few KM from the german border, people who travel close to or across the border has to pay roaming fees17:12
charl_sometimes you are still in NL but you connect to a german tower then you "roam"17:13
charl_that's not good, especially not for people who live close to the border17:13
charl_wow this is sad: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/89285/google-gebruik-xmpp-chatprotocol-gestopt-vanwege-gebrek-aan-interesse.html17:14
smile4evercharl_: lol :D17:15
smile4evercharl_: that sucks17:16
smile4ever;)17:16
smile4everYeah, I already read that on another site ;)17:16
charl_i use swissjabber.ch at the moment17:16
charl_it was one of the biggest + point of google talk that they based it on xmpp17:16
charl_i hate to say this but i agree with them regarding xmpp17:19
charl_i don't feel the standard has been moving forward enough either17:19
charl_and to a large extent i feel it is over complex17:20
Julius129thanks Kilos17:20
Cantideoh, i tried their new chat hangout thingy..17:21
Cantideit wasn't so good17:21
Cantideso i reverted to the old chat17:21
charl_we need a new standard, something that is simpler but also more modern, and includes simple muc and voip17:22
charl_+ video17:23
Cantidetrue that17:23
inetprogood evening17:23
Cantide+ invisible mode17:23
charl_possibly even integrate things like desktop sharing17:23
Cantidehi inetpro17:23
charl_hi inetpro 17:23
Kiloshi inetpro you wanna set topic right17:24
Kilosim making chilli bites17:25
Kiloswbb17:25
inetproKilos: who will be the chair in our next meeting and when will it be?17:25
Kiloslooks like the 17th which is a holiday i think17:25
Kiloskbmonkey, talk to the pro17:25
inetprohmm... on a holiday?17:25
smile4evercharl_: yeah maybe it is17:26
charl_Kilos: that sounds delicious, i love spicy food17:26
smile4everwhy they don't plug in on IRC? :p17:26
Kiloshehe17:26
Kiloshard work17:26
inetproVince-0: who's the next chair?17:26
Kilosi cant member inetpro either the monkey or Vince-0 17:26
inetprokbmonkey: is it your turn?17:26
charl_smile4ever: you could probably introduce voip etc using xdcc but you would need the concept of a contact list17:27
charl_smile4ever: let's face it, that's probably the only real missing "feature" of irc17:27
trendervidoe chat17:27
trendervideo17:27
trenderlike camfrog17:27
inetproKilos: you guys must not forget to elect the next chair like that17:28
charl_trender: how do you mean?17:28
trendercamfrog is like irc with cams17:28
charl_yeah but is it based on the irc standard?17:28
inetproKilos: you're in charge of remembering these things :-)17:28
trendernope win client17:28
charl_ah ok17:29
trendernot irc at all17:29
charl_we were talking mostly about standards now, not implementations17:29
Kilosinetpro, was confused with th agenda page for starters17:29
charl_but the idea is to keep interoperability, not let everyone create their own little "island"17:29
inetproKilos: ai!17:29
Kilosdidnt wanna let peeps add to start with17:30
inetproKilos: so who must I add as chair now?17:30
inetproshall we just give Vince-0 another go or is he fired now?17:31
Kilosya go with Vince-0 the monkey helps17:31
inetpro:-)17:31
Kiloswe dont fire peeps we ask them nicely to resign17:31
inetprook, I will add Vince-0 for now17:31
Kilosdiplomatically17:31
KilosMaaz, diplomat17:32
MaazA diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip17:32
Kilosi go fry my bites17:32
Vince-0hey, wot wot17:33
Vince-0kbmonkey knows the commands17:33
Vince-0I have 'em here somewhere..17:33
inetprohmm.. if only I can find Vince-0 on the list17:34
inetproVince-0: are you even a member of ubuntu-za on launchpad?17:34
smile4ever(19:27:27) charl_: smile4ever: let's face it, that's probably the only real missing "feature" of irc -> yeah ;)17:35
inetproVince-0: I found you under other users"17:36
inetpro*under "other users"17:36
Vince-0ya I couldn't find my own account 17:39
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inetproKilos: that better?17:42
inetproVince-0: you need to register as a ubuntu-za member so you can be on that list17:43
inetproVince-0: go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za17:43
Vince-0+join this team17:44
inetproah, that's better :-)17:45
Kilosty inetpro 18:12
KilosJulius129, let me know what they say 18:13
Kilosthey the bios hackers18:13
Kilosdankie vir die hulp inetpro , hoe gaan dinge met julle18:13
Kilosplus2 is soos minus2 nou18:14
Kiloshehe werk hy hard18:14
Kilosyou see the agenda doesnt show the chosing chair etc18:15
inetproplesier oom18:15
Kiloswhat happened18:15
inetproKilos: hmm.... verduidelik weer asb... wat is fount?18:16
inetprofout*18:16
Kilosonthou die agenda het als gewys18:17
Kilosgreeting etc etc new chair etc18:17
inetproahh... ek het nog nie die detail gelaai nie18:17
inetpromoet een vir een gedoen word18:17
Kilosai skuus man18:18
inetprohet nie nou tyd of genoeg data om dit te doen nie18:18
Kilosjy moet n template spaar daarvan 18:18
inetproKilos: als is by http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/meetings/history/18:19
Kilosen?18:19
inetpros/als/alles/18:19
inetproenigiemand kan die voriges gebruik vir templates18:20
Kilosjy lees net wat jy wil ne inetpro 18:20
Kiloshoe gaan dit daar dammit18:20
inetproai!18:20
Kiloshahaha18:20
inetprogaan goed dankie oom18:21
Kilosen werk?18:21
inetproons kom stadig maar seker daar18:21
Kiloshoe lank nog?18:21
inetproso 'n skuiwery is baie werk 18:21
Kilosja ek sien so18:21
inetproKilos: volgende jaar sal ek seker weer rustig wees :-)18:22
Kilosohi superfly 18:22
Kilossjoe volgende jaar eers18:23
Kilosek sal dooi sonder jy en vlieg hier18:23
inetpronee ek grap net... sal kyk hoe ek tyd kan maak om hier te kuier18:23
Kilosai!18:23
Kilosjy sallie glo nie ek het 7 wat die 3g deel hier18:24
inetpromaar daar is tye waar ons tans soos afkop hoenders voel18:24
inetproalmal wil onmiddelik gehelp word18:24
Kilossjoe18:24
Kilosis die nuwe kables en goed darem mooi gedoen18:24
inetpro7 wat 3g deel?18:25
Kiloshey magespawn is it you or quassel that here18:25
Kiloswin7 deur ethernet cable sonder router18:26
inetprohmm...18:26
inetproweet nie mooi wat ek daarvan moet dink nie18:26
Kilosen wil vanaand daai os van die apie try kry18:27
Kilosdie ding is dit werk man18:27
Kilosek is nie verly nie18:27
inetproos soos in 'n bees?18:27
Kilosvat maar my epos nick weer vir n ruk18:27
Kiloscrunchbang18:27
inetpro:-)18:28
Kiloskannie sleg wees nie dit gebruik aptitude18:28
inetproek het groot geword toe my pa nog met osse geploeg en geplant het man18:29
Kiloslol18:29
Kilosdis groot werk ne18:29
inetproeintlik ongelooflik wat hy destyds alles gedoen het met daai beeste18:30
Kiloshulle is sterk man18:30
inetpromaar ja dit was rowwe tye, baie harde werk18:30
Kilosgesien al waar osse ploeg waar n trekker opstaan18:30
Kilosdaai ander gras18:31
Kiloskweek18:31
Kiloskwaai taai wortel stelsel18:31
smile4everbye! :)18:34
charl_ciao smile4ever 18:34
Kilostoods smile4ever 18:34
smile4evergood night :)18:34
Kilossleep tight18:34
smile4everKilos: thanks, you too :)18:34
charl_this is a strange one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5704406/18:34
Kilosty18:34
charl_look at the Head_Flying_Hours18:34
charl_this drive is a few months old18:34
charl_the Raw_Read_Error_Rate is also pretty high18:35
charl_and the Seek_Error_Rate but look at the Power_On_Hours18:37
charl_makes no sense whatsoever, i have never seen this before18:37
charl_anyone with ideas?18:37
charl_i think the smart on this drive has turned dumb18:37
Kiloshehe18:38
charl_seriously, this is a new drive and it has been like this right from the start18:39
Kilosdisable smart and keep using it18:39
charl_i have never had any issues with it though18:39
Tonberry_refurbished drive perhaps?18:39
charl_i don't know if you can disable smart but it doesn't make a difference18:39
charl_Tonberry_: no a brand new drive from Dell18:39
Kilosin bios i think18:39
charl_maybe they have in fact reused an old drive, but that's hard to believe18:40
charl_my other (primary) drive is normal18:40
charl_i'll run this by some of my colleagues tomorrow, see what they say18:41
charl_in principle it doesn't matter, it's just weird and now i don't know if something goes wrong18:41
charl_i like to run a smart test every couple of weeks18:42
Kiloswhy?18:43
charl_just to monitor how the drive is doing, if i see a lot of errors all of a sudden i need to order a new drive18:43
Tonberry_i've never really been any good at reading raw smart data18:44
charl_most of it isn't rocket science and you can google what you don't understand18:44
charl_there are a lot of guides online18:44
Kiloscharl_, order one and keep it in the cupboard and keep a good backup of this one18:45
Kilosit will most likely last years still18:45
charl_i do backups in any case and we actually do keep a spare drive in the office for safety18:45
Kiloswhen you arent prepared the you have troubles18:45
charl_in principle it doesn't matter too much, but now i'm just curious18:45
Kilosleave well enough alone they say18:46
charl_yeah but i wonder about what Tonberry_ said just now, about a refurbished drive18:46
Kilosif it aint broke dont fix it18:46
charl_they shouldn't sell a drive as new if it isn't new18:46
Kilosquery from the manufacturers and give the bar code18:47
Kilosthey keep records18:47
charl_good idea18:47
charl_nah i just like to keep these things in check :)18:47
Kiloshehe18:48
Kilosrun fsck and if it sees no probs forget about it18:48
Kilosthere actually is a command to check for bad blocks too18:51
charl_i could do that18:51
Kilosit also marks them so they arent used i think18:52
charl_there's this tool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badblocks18:52
Kilosbut you get info about if there are any18:52
Kiloswhen i find the command ill ping you18:53
charl_thanks!18:53
Kiloscould be anywhere here18:53
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/104063/how-can-i-know-the-number-of-bad-sectors-on-my-hard-drive18:54
Kilosdont remember if that was it. i got the commands saved somewhere18:55
Kilosmaybe its as you say the smart is sick18:55
Kilosthats in firmware isnt it18:56
Kiloscharl_, it looks like them commands if i member right18:57
charl_ah i see18:58
charl_thanks a lot18:58
charl_i'll try it tomorrow18:58
Kilosyw18:58
Kiloshelps to play with old scrap drives at times18:58
Kilosbut also when a new drive is faulty and a few peeps complain they give patches for the firmware18:59
charl_yeah it's 10-1 just faulty firmware19:02
Kilosbut if new they replace under gaurantee as well19:05
Kilosgarauntee19:05
Kilosthat thing19:05
KilosMaaz, coffee on19:56
* Maaz starts grinding coffee19:56
KilosMaaz, large19:56
MaazIn a beer mug just for you Kilos19:56
Kilossuperfly, you travelling again tomorrow?19:56
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!20:00
KilosMaaz, thanks20:00
MaazKilos: Sure20:00
Kilosnight all sleep tight20:01
charl_nn all20:43
Kilosoh my, transmission flys21:45
Kilosmy modem must be cooking21:45
Kilos808mB in 45 mins21:46
Kilosnight again guys21:47

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