[06:36] <Kilos> morning guys
[06:37] <Cantide> morning '-'/
[06:37] <Cantide> Kilos, see CanStudy https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/IMG_0212.JPG
[06:38] <Kilos> well done lad
[06:38] <Cantide> thanks :)
[06:38] <Cantide> studying is starting to pay off already
[06:39] <Kilos> tell more
[06:42] <Cantide> not much more to tell right now :p
[06:42] <Cantide> i have a job waiting in Korea, just need to sort out my documents and get going :)
[06:42] <Kilos> then what you mean by its paying off already
[06:42] <Cantide> job is waiting :)
[06:42] <Kilos> oh great
[06:42] <Cantide> they wanted me to go there next week
[06:43] <Cantide> but it's too soon, so i'll get a September position instead
[06:43] <Kilos> as magespawn says cool beans
[06:43] <Kilos> hehe
[06:43] <Cantide> :)
[06:49] <Kilos> ive always wondered, once you have the qualifications do you throw that funny hat away?
[06:50] <Kilos> hi georgelappies you early
[06:50] <Cantide> the attire was hired
[06:50] <Kilos> ah
[06:50] <Cantide> only had it at the venue
[06:50] <Cantide> and i had to put down a R 300 deposit
[06:50] <Kilos> wow
[06:51] <Kilos> for 300 bucks i want a nice leather jacket at least
[06:51] <Cantide> lol
[06:52] <Kilos> or more ram
[06:52] <Cantide> i'd go with the ram
[06:52] <Cantide> well, i have enough
[06:52] <Cantide> but if i needed it
[06:52] <Kilos> lol
[06:52] <Kilos> ultimate aim here is 15 with 8g ram
[06:53] <Cantide> i have 8 GB :) i use about 7% of it :)
[06:53] <Kilos> this pc can only take 2x1g
[06:53] <Cantide> :(
[06:54]  * Cantide sends Kilos a PC
[06:54] <Kilos> and cant find another 1g so using 1.5g
[06:54] <Kilos> gracias
[06:54] <Kilos> sdr ram still this m/b
[06:54] <Cantide> ._.
[06:55] <Kilos> i actually got one but it clashes with this 1g one in here
[06:55] <Kilos> grrr
[06:55] <Kilos> ram so particular
[06:56] <Cantide> yeah, ram is one of the weakest components
[06:56] <Cantide> :(
[06:56] <Cantide> but it's relatively cheap
[06:56] <Cantide> i got my 8GB for under R 300
[06:56] <Kilos> ddr3 is cheap
[06:56] <Cantide> yup
[06:57] <Cantide> so it pays to have a newish m/b
[06:57] <Cantide> instead of buying aging ram
[06:57] <Kilos> sdr is R250 if you can find one for 1g
[06:57] <Cantide> not worth it :p
[06:58] <Kilos> nope
[06:58] <Cantide> and it's more likely to fail
[06:58] <Cantide> because it's old
[06:59] <Kilos> ive never had one fail but they clash if not the same make
[06:59] <Cantide> ah yeah
[06:59] <Cantide> i've had that before .-.
[07:00] <Kilos> hi jmagunduni 
[07:00] <jmagunduni> hi Kilos .
[07:49] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:49] <Vince-0> g'day g'day
[07:49] <Kilos> the fly will be there 2nd june
[07:50] <Kilos> poke them okeys organizing the UH
[07:57] <Vince-0> k
[08:04] <Vince-0> *poke nuvolari, kbmonkey
[08:05] <Vince-0> I'll email em
[08:05] <Kilos> ty Vince-0 
[08:05] <Kilos> i dunno if pokes work from here
[08:05] <Kilos> ctcp pings maybe
[08:06] <Kilos> i think thats what they are called
[08:07] <Kilos> maybe just a get together so you guys can meet the fly
[08:09] <Kilos> Cantide, you see?
[08:10] <Kilos> last chance to meet the fly, i dont think he will go to korea
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello peeps
[08:11] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:23] <Kilos> whats news ThatGraemeGuy ?
[08:23] <Cantide> Kilos, hahaha :p
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> not much, wet, rainy, relaxed sunday down here :)
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you?
[08:25] <Kilos> lol just checking up on all the guys
[08:25] <Kilos> and feeling sorry for the fly
[08:25] <Kilos> thats a long journey
[08:26] <Kilos> and playing with pcs as usual. even got win7 going on other pc
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like fun
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> i used to do stuff like that
[08:29] <Kilos> hehe
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> no time anymore :)
[08:29] <Kilos> yeah you guys are too busy
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> speaking of which, it's time for me to go colour in
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[08:30] <Kilos> hehe
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy sunday, chat again tomorrow
[08:30]  * ThatGraemeGuy disappears
[08:30] <Kilos> you too
[08:30] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:51] <not_found> nice that the fly keeping us posted on his journey through middle earth
[11:57] <Xethron> Kilos: heya
[12:00] <Xethron> You there?
[12:00] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[12:01] <Kilos> sup?
[12:01] <Xethron> Kilos: I got the seals form seal center
[12:01] <Xethron> So thanks :)
[12:01] <Kilos> cool
[12:01] <Xethron> But I realized I missed one... So I'll be going in next weekend to get one more
[12:01] <Kilos> lol
[12:01] <Xethron> But the ones on the pipes are fitted
[12:02] <Xethron> So not sure if they are working, but will find out soon enough
[12:02] <Kilos> good you just gotta stop any air getting in then you are fine
[12:03] <Xethron> I still see bubbles in the pipes, but not sure why
[12:03] <Xethron> Will see if it continues
[12:03] <Xethron> Next idea is to replace the diesel filter again
[12:03] <Kilos> thats in the pipe to the pump from the filter?
[12:03] <Kilos> how old is the filter
[12:04] <Xethron> It goes in/out of the filter (Not sure about direction)
[12:04] <Xethron> brand new
[12:04] <Xethron> Thats when problems started
[12:04] <Xethron> right after I replaced the diesel filter
[12:05] <Kilos> if you disconnect the pipe from the tank does diesel come through easy
[12:05] <Kilos> or must you suck hard
[12:06] <Kilos> could be some blockage that side
[12:06] <Kilos> or even another filter
[12:06] <Kilos> one often gets dirty diesel from pumps
[12:07] <Kilos> maybe try get a manual for your vehicle
[12:08] <Kilos> must be one online somewhere to download
[12:09] <Xethron> hmm
[12:11] <Kilos> even a sieve or strainer in or near the tank
[12:11] <Xethron> Well, everything was working fine before my last service
[12:11] <Xethron> Only once I replaced the Diesel filter did the problems start
[12:12] <Kilos> ya but that can be because old seals had bedded them selves in well over time
[13:05] <kbmonkey> greets
[13:05] <not_found> o/
[13:06] <kbmonkey> what's up not_found 
[13:06] <not_found> not to much kbmonkey , and there?
[13:07] <kbmonkey> same. too lazy today to play with python or bash :p
[13:08] <not_found> :)
[13:10] <kbmonkey> I could not get puppy linux booting off usb :(
[13:49] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[13:49] <Kilos> not_found, too
[13:50] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you guys organising an UH or some get together for the 2nd when the fly arrives
[13:50] <Kilos> ?
[13:51] <not_found> alo
[13:53] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos, yes
[13:53] <kbmonkey> for the 2nd
[13:54] <Kilos> yip thats when he says he will be there
[13:55] <Kilos> forgot to ask if he was only arriving then or will be there from night before
[13:56] <Kilos> he might be on here tonight from ahga haga wherever that might be
[13:57] <kbmonkey> I am not sure, I guess its a few day thing
[13:59] <Kilos> 'so kbmonkey tell me where to get crunchbang with wget and what all i will need to get it going please
[13:59] <Kilos> gotta use some night surfer
[14:00] <trender> yo oom
[14:00] <Kilos> yo trender 
[14:01] <trender> ate far to much at ocean basket
[14:01] <trender> came home beached my self on the bed
[14:01] <Kilos> lekker
[14:01] <kbmonkey> lol
[14:01] <kbmonkey> food sounds good!
[14:01] <trender> not lekker felt like i needed to puke
[14:02] <kbmonkey> any particular reason you want to try crunchbang Kilos ? find it here: http://crunchbang.org/download/
[14:02] <Kilos> ty
[14:02] <kbmonkey> it's just over 700MB
[14:03] <kbmonkey> remember it is openbox. but since wheezy went stable it is pretty nice
[14:03] <Kilos> and then upgrades?
[14:03] <Kilos> will look at it if i can stay up so late in the cold
[14:03] <kbmonkey> I made a new install last night, the upgrades for a clean install is about 300MB
[14:04] <Kilos> whew
[14:04] <kbmonkey> does your *buntu not work so well, or are you just bored Kilos? 
[14:04] <Kilos> all threee ubuntu's running fine so no probs to sort
[14:05] <kbmonkey> but I do that too, at month end if there is data over I will download a new linux :)
[14:05] <Kilos> hehe
[14:06] <kbmonkey> I recommend the 32-bit
[14:06] <Kilos> my pc only does 32 bit
[14:07] <kbmonkey> you can always run a command that wil sleep and then start the download for you later, so you don't have to click the button yoruself.
[14:08] <kbmonkey> how much memory does your PC carry, Kilos?
[14:08] <Kilos> 1.5g
[14:09] <kbmonkey> then you don't need the PAE version. that only allows your pc to use more then 3GB of memory
[14:09] <kbmonkey> I don't suppose you download with torrent often?
[14:10] <Kilos> never
[14:10] <kbmonkey> do you have "transmission" apps?
[14:10] <Kilos> ?
[14:11] <Kilos> what is openbox?
[14:11] <kbmonkey> openbox is a window manager. 
[14:13] <kbmonkey> like you have the xfce window manager
[14:14] <Kilos> oh not like xmonad
[14:14] <kbmonkey> just know Kilos: there is no 'start' button. you right-click on the desktop for the menu.
[14:14] <kbmonkey> no not like xmonad :)
[14:14] <Kilos> whew
[14:14] <Kilos> hehe
[14:14] <kbmonkey> its stacking, that means it behaves like gnome/xfce
[14:15] <Kilos> ill give it a try when i got it
[14:15] <kbmonkey> it is just very light. it has hundreds (almost!) of themes to choose from
[14:15] <Kilos> with package manager and so on?
[14:15] <Kilos> light is good for old pcs
[14:16] <kbmonkey> it uses aptitude, the same as ubuntu before the software manager existed
[14:16] <Kilos> cool
[14:17] <kbmonkey> you still have a taskbar that shows you open windows, and a tray with the clock and such
[14:18] <Kilos> well if i get it and cant get it going ill mail you to come chat here
[14:18] <Kilos> oh you had 3g probs too
[14:18] <kbmonkey> sure!
[14:18] <Kilos> no nm that works
[14:18] <kbmonkey> ya 8ta put their site in 'maintennace' mode last night
[14:19] <kbmonkey> transmission is to program used to download from torrent
[14:19] <Kilos> whats the diffs
[14:19] <kbmonkey> you just download the .torrent file, and click on it, and transmission opens it. you choose where to save the .iso, and click add
[14:20] <kbmonkey> does ubuntu come with transmission by default?
[14:20] <kbmonkey> or doyou have something else?
[14:20] <Kilos> i like wget because net sucks
[14:20] <kbmonkey> you cant wget because its a torrent
[14:20] <Kilos> and -c does continue
[14:20] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: it does
[14:20] <Kilos> aw
[14:20] <kbmonkey> but its fine because torrent also continues
[14:20] <Kilos> oh
[14:21] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed 
[14:21] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[14:21] <kbmonkey> hi tumbleweed 
[14:21] <tumbleweed> re transmission: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5703671/
[14:21] <Kilos> ty
[14:21] <tumbleweed> so, transmission-gtk is on the CD for most of the flavours
[14:21] <Kilos> and 12.04
[14:22] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I ask because I can help you set up the download. then you can run a command in terminal that will start transmission for you tonight, so you can go sleep :)
[14:22] <kbmonkey> lol
[14:22] <Kilos> lol
[14:22] <kbmonkey> ah thanks for the info tumbleweed, yes I thought transmission came by default
[14:23] <Kilos> must i do something with that paste
[14:23] <tumbleweed> no, that was just informational
[14:23] <Kilos> cool ty
[14:24] <Kilos> Transmission is a file-sharing program. When you run a torrent, its data will be made available to others by means of upload. You and you alone are fully responsible for exercising proper judgement and abiding by your local laws.
[14:24] <Kilos> ?
[14:25] <Kilos> i found the thing wit5h dash
[14:25] <Kilos> with as well
[14:27] <Kilos> must i accept that kbmonkey 
[14:32] <Tonberry_> transmission is a torrent client, torrents are often used to spread illegal material
[14:32] <Tonberry_> if you dont download anything illegal with it you will be fine
[14:33] <kbmonkey> its for download linux distros Tonberry_ 
[14:34] <kbmonkey> kilos, I writ you some steps on how you can setup transmission to auto download for you late at night:
[14:34] <kbmonkey> http://pastebin.com/S2VmWFcc
[14:34] <Tonberry_> just saying torrent clients are perfectly legal as long as you only download/upload legal content like linux isos
[14:34]  * Cantide clicks on kbmonkey's link
[14:35] <Kilos> wbb
[14:35] <Cantide> oh, thanks nice info, thanks :)
[14:36] <kbmonkey> cool Cantide :) sleep is a great command. I use if often
[14:38] <kbmonkey> Cantide, you can try this on for size: alias coffee='(sleep 270 && zenity --info --title="coffee" --text="Coffee ready\!") &'
[14:39] <Cantide> umm...
[14:39] <Cantide> what does that do?
[14:40] <kbmonkey> it creates an alias called "coffee" that pops up a message after 5 minutes announcing that coffee is ready. lol.
[14:41] <Cantide> lol
[14:41] <Cantide> nice if the kettle is boiling
[14:42] <kbmonkey> oh my scanner detected incoming UFO!
[14:42] <kbmonkey> yes it is lol
[14:42] <Cantide> o_O
[14:42] <kbmonkey> openxcom
[14:43] <kbmonkey> arg, it got away. my interceptors are not fast enough
[14:45] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[14:45] <Kilos> hy psychicist 
[14:47] <Cantide> oh..
[14:48] <Cantide> where can i get that?
[14:48] <Cantide> oh
[14:48] <Cantide> i found it after a simple google search :p
[14:48] <kbmonkey> there is a site for openxcom :)
[14:48] <kbmonkey> you do need the original game data files though
[14:48] <Cantide> ah, and yeah
[14:48] <Cantide> i just saw that
[14:48] <Cantide> so.. not possible -.-
[14:48] <Cantide> unless i pirate it
[14:49] <Cantide> i've actually got the original of a newer one
[14:49] <Cantide> all pretty and 3D
[14:49] <Cantide> but it's for Windows -.-
[14:51] <kbmonkey> which one is that Cantide?
[14:51] <Cantide> umm
[14:51] <Cantide> hold on
[14:51] <Kilos> kbmonkey, whats with all the flashing adds in that paste
[14:51] <Cantide> i'll look for it
[14:52] <Cantide> kbmonkey, UFO: Afterlight
[14:52] <kbmonkey> pastebin has ads?
[14:53] <kbmonkey> old games like those are abondonware
[14:54] <Kilos> yeah
[14:55] <Kilos> slexy.org is much better
[14:55] <kbmonkey> what is for dinner everyone?
[14:55] <Kilos> only your paste not the wweeds
[14:56] <kbmonkey> strange. I use adblock, hardly see any.
[14:56] <Kilos> if i got the energy will make chilli bites
[14:56] <Cantide> kbmonkey, some kind of pilaf
[14:56] <Cantide> what about you?
[14:57] <kbmonkey> oooh pilaf! good good.
[14:57] <kbmonkey> not sure yet Cantide, I might just make burgers
[14:57] <kbmonkey> or roast vegetables
[15:00] <Cantide> i've actually been dying to make burgers
[15:00] <Cantide> tired of KFC or McDonald's burgers
[15:01] <Kilos> eeek tired of kentucky
[15:01] <Kilos> best chicken out
[15:01]  * not_found hears burgers and gets hungry
[15:01] <Kilos> hehe dont they make them there not_found ?
[15:02] <Kilos> camel burgers
[15:02] <not_found> sure, we have way more choices in the big city i would suspect than SA... this place is little america :p
[15:02] <not_found> but I am in the small town so I have to eat the lesser known burgers...
[15:03] <Kilos> lol
[15:03] <not_found> wife decided it is eggs and bacon for dinner cause she not in the mood to cook :p
[15:03] <not_found> which is fair enough :)
[15:03] <Kilos> thats good too
[15:03] <not_found> I am also not in the mood to cook
[15:03] <Kilos> bacon lekker at anytime
[15:04] <not_found> wonder if we have real bacon ...?!
[15:04] <not_found> anyway turkey bacon is the best bacon ever...
[15:04] <kbmonkey> i'll just throw some stuff in the oven and let it cook itself. he he
[15:04] <Kilos> slow cookers are good for single peeps
[15:04]  * not_found does that to the microwave
[15:05] <Kilos> chuck everything in in the morning and eat at night
[15:08] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[15:08] <psychicist> hallo Cantide :)
[15:08] <Cantide> hello :)
[15:08] <psychicist> hi kbmonkey 
[15:08] <psychicist> hi not_found
[15:09] <not_found> o/
[15:09] <Kilos> psychicist, welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:09] <psychicist> I decided to finally set up irssi on kubuntu, now I need to get a computer I can have connected 24/7
[15:09] <psychicist> Kilos, it's me psydroid using my original nick
[15:09] <Kilos> you dont like quassel and konversation?
[15:09] <Kilos> oh
[15:09] <Kilos> sneaky
[15:10] <psychicist> I haven't tried either of them yet
[15:10] <psychicist> hehe
[15:10] <psychicist> I just need to join a large number of channels and only irssi has been able to do so without problems so far
[15:12] <Kilos> the fly uses many channels on quassel
[15:12] <Kilos> and the pro can tell you about konversation
[15:12] <Kilos> i use it on kubuntu
[15:12] <Kilos> lots a stuff you can configure
[15:16] <psychicist> yeah, I will check them out, thanks
[15:17] <charl_> good evening
[15:18] <psychicist> hi charl_ 
[15:18] <Kilos> hi charl_ you sue kubuntu and quassel
[15:18] <charl_> hi psychicist 
[15:18] <charl_> Kilos: i use kubuntu but not quassel, i use irssi
[15:18] <Kilos> use
[15:18] <Kilos> ah
[15:18] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[15:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[15:18] <charl_> Kilos: is there something you wanted to know?
[15:19] <Kilos> psychicist, is setting up irssi there and i told him try konversation or quassel
[15:19] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy irssi
[15:19] <charl_> it's a personal preference
[15:20] <charl_> i tried quassel but didn't like it myself, never tried konversation for irc
[15:21] <charl_> i run irssi inside screen, it's handy because i can run it on my desktop or on a server
[15:21] <Kilos> konversation quassel and xchat are very similar but i find you can configure more in konversation
[15:21] <charl_> you can do a bunch of configuration inside irssi, even themes and stuff, but i never bother
[15:22] <charl_> i literally use irssi as-is
[15:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[15:23] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[15:23] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[15:23] <Kilos> like ctrl+r puts a line across where you want it to so you can check any other time without going past where you left off
[15:23] <charl_> that's a handy feature
[15:23] <Kilos> yeah
[15:24] <Kilos> and i got konversation to bloep like xchat which i couldnt with quassel
[15:24] <charl_> i found quassel's user interface to be very confusing as a first--timer
[15:24] <charl_> it's not like other irc clients
[15:24] <charl_> but that doesn't make it bad or anything
[15:25] <Kilos> but the okes with quassel client can bounce from fone to pc etc with same nick
[15:25] <Kilos> ya you gotta sit and think with quassel
[15:25] <charl_> you can do that with any bnc or if you run irssi+screen as well
[15:25] <charl_> it might be handy to have the bnc integrated with your irc client but it's not a necessity
[15:26] <charl_> if you have irssi+screen running on the terminal you can use irc from any device with an ssh client
[15:26] <charl_> not sure how irssi would look at mobile phone resolution though
[15:26] <charl_> should work fine on a tablet
[15:27] <Kilos> well the pro and fly and a few others use quassel so it must have merits
[15:27] <Cantide> i like xchat :)
[15:27] <charl_> yeah, like i said, personal preference
[15:27] <Cantide> yup
[15:27] <Cantide> there is no other functionality i need
[15:27] <charl_> i like xchat too actually, a good all-round x-based client :)
[15:27] <Cantide> so this is fine :)
[15:27] <Cantide> oh
[15:28] <Kilos> xchat works best on ubuntu
[15:28] <Kilos> no sound on kde though
[15:28] <Cantide> i didn't even realise the x stood for x (as silly as that sounds)
[15:28] <Kilos> lol
[15:28] <charl_> no idea if it does, i just assumed it does
[15:29] <charl_> Cantide: btw, check out what i found yesterday: http://www.crazykawaii.com/
[15:29] <charl_> in paris this september
[15:30]  * Cantide clicks
[15:30] <Cantide> those shirts for 2 people look rather impractical :D
[15:31] <Cantide> what happens when one person needs the toilet?
[15:33] <charl_> where is that? haven't seen it
[15:34] <Cantide> that giant flash ad that changes now and then
[15:34] <charl_> oh, i think i saw it briefly
[15:34] <Cantide> :p
[15:34] <charl_> yeah crazy japan stuff but it looks hilarious
[15:34] <charl_> i see i can travel with eurolines from utrecht to paris for about 18 euro return ticket
[15:34] <Cantide> o_O
[15:34] <charl_> utrecht is about 1,5 hours from here on the train
[15:35] <Cantide> cool :)
[15:35] <charl_> just need to find a hotel then
[15:35] <charl_> yeah it looks like a good excuse to get out of the house :)
[15:36] <charl_> i always sit online i need to get out of the house :)
[15:36] <Cantide> do it :D
[15:36] <charl_> yeah i'll organise it, i have too much leave anyway
[15:36] <charl_> i have like 400 hours saved up :(
[15:37] <charl_> i can only tranfer 120 hours over to next year so i'll lose the rest if i don't use it
[15:38] <Cantide> o.o
[15:38] <Cantide> ah, in September i should be in Korea '-'v
[15:39] <charl_> heh i see julie watai will also be there, she is the girl in this film: http://youtu.be/cu7HQWHnzp8
[15:39] <charl_> a girl in a maid outfit soldering ... only in japan :)
[15:39] <Cantide> lol
[15:41] <Cantide> haha
[15:41] <Cantide> "will he speak Martian"
[15:41] <Cantide> i like her :p
[15:41] <charl_> yeah it's a furby hack, you wire it differently and it speaks funny
[15:43] <charl_> yeah kawaii otome-san des ne! :P
[15:43] <charl_> lol
[15:44] <Cantide> i didn't watch all of it :p
[15:44] <Cantide> so i didn't hear the result
[15:44] <Cantide> >.<
[15:44] <charl_> you can skip ahead but it's not too interesting
[15:45] <charl_> ok i need to go off and do stuff
[15:45] <charl_> bbl
[15:47] <Cantide> see ya :p
[16:05] <Cantide> your tail has grown longer
[16:07] <kbmonkey> lol
[16:07] <kbmonkey> is it not strange how potatoes burn cuts worse than onions. 
[16:18] <charl__> finally got around to sorting out and uploading my photos from the other day: http://imgur.com/a/oIIcm
[16:18] <charl__> got some nice ones
[16:19] <charl__> bah netsplit
[16:22] <charl_> hi smile4ever 
[16:31] <smile4ever> hi charl_
[16:31] <smile4ever> :D
[16:31] <smile4ever> Have you seen my work on Wikipedia regarding soortenbank.nl? :p
[16:32] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[16:33] <smile4ever> Hi Kilos :)
[16:38] <Kilos> hmm... serious split
[16:38] <Kilos> ah they back
[16:47] <Kilos> hi Julius129 
[16:47] <Kilos> wb
[16:47] <Julius129> hey Kilos :)
[16:54] <kbmonkey> hello Julius129. hello Kilos 
[16:55] <Kilos> hi my monkey
[16:55] <kbmonkey> the oven is almost done making my food
[16:55] <kbmonkey> he he
[16:56] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:56] <Kilos> you need to sort the topics thing
[16:56] <Kilos> on no thats the pro
[16:56] <Julius129> i missed the meeting
[16:56] <Julius129> :(
[16:57] <Kilos> yeah
[16:57] <Kilos> oh well there is one every month
[16:57] <Kilos> you can read the minutes if kbmonkey still has the link
[16:57] <kbmonkey> maybe we should have an irc get together midway through the month
[16:58] <kbmonkey> maaz will supply the drinks
[16:58] <Kilos> hehe
[16:58] <Julius129> i was on a plane monday night, with no wi-fi
[16:58] <Kilos> anything you like as long as its cyber coffee
[16:59] <Kilos> aw Julius129 never mind
[17:01] <kbmonkey> no beer?
[17:01] <Kilos> i dont think maaz allows
[17:02] <Julius129> has anyone here hacked laptop firmware to support a different kind of minipci 3g card than the one offered by the manufacturer
[17:04] <Kilos> Julius129, maybe try the flasrom guys
[17:04] <Kilos> flashrom
[17:04] <Kilos> #flashrom
[17:05] <Kilos> they mess with it all the time
[17:05] <charl_> smile4ever: no, but it sounds interesting, tell me more :)
[17:05] <charl_> smile4ever: btw, i was close to belgium the other day, in maastricht
[17:06] <smile4ever> Nice, and you didn't come to visit me? :(
[17:06] <charl_> where are you exactly?
[17:06] <charl_> took a bunch of nice photos: http://imgur.com/a/oIIcm
[17:06] <smile4ever> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/SmileBot <- The taxon ID's on soortenbank.nl have changed a while ago. I fixed those wrong ID's on wikipedia :)
[17:07] <charl_> ah i see, good work
[17:07] <smile4ever> charl_: exactly? Belsele :) That's near Sint-Niklaas (between Gent & Antwerpen, but more closely to Antwerpen)
[17:07] <smile4ever> charl_: thanks :)
[17:07] <charl_> ah i see
[17:08] <charl_> i don't know how the public transport works in belgium, i need to figure it out
[17:08] <charl_> in NL we have the ov chipkaart system
[17:08] <charl_> but i want to spend some more time in belgium this year
[17:08] <smile4ever> It works quite  well :) Here you can just buy a ticket on the bus or buy a ticket in the station for the train
[17:09] <smile4ever> There are also De Lijn-winkels, where you can buy a "prepaid" bus card :)
[17:09] <smile4ever> We have "zones", they cost 80 cents each
[17:09] <smile4ever> over 3 zones just counts as three (up to 9 for the price of 3)
[17:10] <charl_> ah i see
[17:10] <smile4ever> so for three zones you pay 1,60+0,80 = 2,40
[17:10] <charl_> in NL they are trying to move away from handling cash on the bus as it is time consuming
[17:10] <charl_> i think they are trying to make it mandatory to travel using rfid
[17:10] <smile4ever> Yeah here you have a SMS number for De Lijn :D
[17:10] <charl_> in principle it's a good thing because it's super convenient but there are (naturally) privacy concerns
[17:10] <smile4ever> you can buy a digital ticket that way :)
[17:11] <charl_> ah i see
[17:11] <charl_> another place i want to visit this summer: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanse_Tuin_(Hasselt)
[17:11] <smile4ever> But it won't work well for you, since you have a Dutch rather than a Belgium sim card
[17:11] <smile4ever> Cool :)
[17:12] <smile4ever> You're welcome here :D
[17:12] <charl_> i don't even have a cellphone lol
[17:12] <charl_> yeah but they need to do something about the roaming rates
[17:12] <charl_> i live a few KM from the german border, people who travel close to or across the border has to pay roaming fees
[17:13] <charl_> sometimes you are still in NL but you connect to a german tower then you "roam"
[17:13] <charl_> that's not good, especially not for people who live close to the border
[17:14] <charl_> wow this is sad: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/89285/google-gebruik-xmpp-chatprotocol-gestopt-vanwege-gebrek-aan-interesse.html
[17:15] <smile4ever> charl_: lol :D
[17:16] <smile4ever> charl_: that sucks
[17:16] <smile4ever> ;)
[17:16] <smile4ever> Yeah, I already read that on another site ;)
[17:16] <charl_> i use swissjabber.ch at the moment
[17:16] <charl_> it was one of the biggest + point of google talk that they based it on xmpp
[17:19] <charl_> i hate to say this but i agree with them regarding xmpp
[17:19] <charl_> i don't feel the standard has been moving forward enough either
[17:20] <charl_> and to a large extent i feel it is over complex
[17:20] <Julius129> thanks Kilos
[17:21] <Cantide> oh, i tried their new chat hangout thingy..
[17:21] <Cantide> it wasn't so good
[17:21] <Cantide> so i reverted to the old chat
[17:22] <charl_> we need a new standard, something that is simpler but also more modern, and includes simple muc and voip
[17:23] <charl_> + video
[17:23] <Cantide> true that
[17:23] <inetpro> good evening
[17:23] <Cantide> + invisible mode
[17:23] <charl_> possibly even integrate things like desktop sharing
[17:23] <Cantide> hi inetpro
[17:23] <charl_> hi inetpro 
[17:24] <Kilos> hi inetpro you wanna set topic right
[17:25] <Kilos> im making chilli bites
[17:25] <Kilos> wbb
[17:25] <inetpro> Kilos: who will be the chair in our next meeting and when will it be?
[17:25] <Kilos> looks like the 17th which is a holiday i think
[17:25] <Kilos> kbmonkey, talk to the pro
[17:25] <inetpro> hmm... on a holiday?
[17:26] <smile4ever> charl_: yeah maybe it is
[17:26] <charl_> Kilos: that sounds delicious, i love spicy food
[17:26] <smile4ever> why they don't plug in on IRC? :p
[17:26] <Kilos> hehe
[17:26] <Kilos> hard work
[17:26] <inetpro> Vince-0: who's the next chair?
[17:26] <Kilos> i cant member inetpro either the monkey or Vince-0 
[17:26] <inetpro> kbmonkey: is it your turn?
[17:27] <charl_> smile4ever: you could probably introduce voip etc using xdcc but you would need the concept of a contact list
[17:27] <charl_> smile4ever: let's face it, that's probably the only real missing "feature" of irc
[17:27] <trender> vidoe chat
[17:27] <trender> video
[17:27] <trender> like camfrog
[17:28] <inetpro> Kilos: you guys must not forget to elect the next chair like that
[17:28] <charl_> trender: how do you mean?
[17:28] <trender> camfrog is like irc with cams
[17:28] <charl_> yeah but is it based on the irc standard?
[17:28] <inetpro> Kilos: you're in charge of remembering these things :-)
[17:28] <trender> nope win client
[17:29] <charl_> ah ok
[17:29] <trender> not irc at all
[17:29] <charl_> we were talking mostly about standards now, not implementations
[17:29] <Kilos> inetpro, was confused with th agenda page for starters
[17:29] <charl_> but the idea is to keep interoperability, not let everyone create their own little "island"
[17:29] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[17:30] <Kilos> didnt wanna let peeps add to start with
[17:30] <inetpro> Kilos: so who must I add as chair now?
[17:31] <inetpro> shall we just give Vince-0 another go or is he fired now?
[17:31] <Kilos> ya go with Vince-0 the monkey helps
[17:31] <inetpro> :-)
[17:31] <Kilos> we dont fire peeps we ask them nicely to resign
[17:31] <inetpro> ok, I will add Vince-0 for now
[17:31] <Kilos> diplomatically
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, diplomat
[17:32] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[17:32] <Kilos> i go fry my bites
[17:33] <Vince-0> hey, wot wot
[17:33] <Vince-0> kbmonkey knows the commands
[17:33] <Vince-0> I have 'em here somewhere..
[17:34] <inetpro> hmm.. if only I can find Vince-0 on the list
[17:34] <inetpro> Vince-0: are you even a member of ubuntu-za on launchpad?
[17:35] <smile4ever> (19:27:27) charl_: smile4ever: let's face it, that's probably the only real missing "feature" of irc -> yeah ;)
[17:36] <inetpro> Vince-0: I found you under other users"
[17:36] <inetpro> *under "other users"
[17:39] <Vince-0> ya I couldn't find my own account 
[17:42] <inetpro> Kilos: that better?
[17:43] <inetpro> Vince-0: you need to register as a ubuntu-za member so you can be on that list
[17:43] <inetpro> Vince-0: go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[17:44] <Vince-0> +join this team
[17:45] <inetpro> ah, that's better :-)
[18:12] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[18:13] <Kilos> Julius129, let me know what they say 
[18:13] <Kilos> they the bios hackers
[18:13] <Kilos> dankie vir die hulp inetpro , hoe gaan dinge met julle
[18:14] <Kilos> plus2 is soos minus2 nou
[18:14] <Kilos> hehe werk hy hard
[18:15] <Kilos> you see the agenda doesnt show the chosing chair etc
[18:15] <inetpro> plesier oom
[18:15] <Kilos> what happened
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm.... verduidelik weer asb... wat is fount?
[18:16] <inetpro> fout*
[18:17] <Kilos> onthou die agenda het als gewys
[18:17] <Kilos> greeting etc etc new chair etc
[18:17] <inetpro> ahh... ek het nog nie die detail gelaai nie
[18:17] <inetpro> moet een vir een gedoen word
[18:18] <Kilos> ai skuus man
[18:18] <inetpro> het nie nou tyd of genoeg data om dit te doen nie
[18:18] <Kilos> jy moet n template spaar daarvan 
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos: als is by http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/meetings/history/
[18:19] <Kilos> en?
[18:19] <inetpro> s/als/alles/
[18:20] <inetpro> enigiemand kan die voriges gebruik vir templates
[18:20] <Kilos> jy lees net wat jy wil ne inetpro 
[18:20] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit daar dammit
[18:20] <inetpro> ai!
[18:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:21] <inetpro> gaan goed dankie oom
[18:21] <Kilos> en werk?
[18:21] <inetpro> ons kom stadig maar seker daar
[18:21] <Kilos> hoe lank nog?
[18:21] <inetpro> so 'n skuiwery is baie werk 
[18:21] <Kilos> ja ek sien so
[18:22] <inetpro> Kilos: volgende jaar sal ek seker weer rustig wees :-)
[18:22] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[18:23] <Kilos> sjoe volgende jaar eers
[18:23] <Kilos> ek sal dooi sonder jy en vlieg hier
[18:23] <inetpro> nee ek grap net... sal kyk hoe ek tyd kan maak om hier te kuier
[18:23] <Kilos> ai!
[18:24] <Kilos> jy sallie glo nie ek het 7 wat die 3g deel hier
[18:24] <inetpro> maar daar is tye waar ons tans soos afkop hoenders voel
[18:24] <inetpro> almal wil onmiddelik gehelp word
[18:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:24] <Kilos> is die nuwe kables en goed darem mooi gedoen
[18:25] <inetpro> 7 wat 3g deel?
[18:25] <Kilos> hey magespawn is it you or quassel that here
[18:26] <Kilos> win7 deur ethernet cable sonder router
[18:26] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:26] <inetpro> weet nie mooi wat ek daarvan moet dink nie
[18:27] <Kilos> en wil vanaand daai os van die apie try kry
[18:27] <Kilos> die ding is dit werk man
[18:27] <Kilos> ek is nie verly nie
[18:27] <inetpro> os soos in 'n bees?
[18:27] <Kilos> vat maar my epos nick weer vir n ruk
[18:27] <Kilos> crunchbang
[18:28] <inetpro> :-)
[18:28] <Kilos> kannie sleg wees nie dit gebruik aptitude
[18:29] <inetpro> ek het groot geword toe my pa nog met osse geploeg en geplant het man
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> dis groot werk ne
[18:30] <inetpro> eintlik ongelooflik wat hy destyds alles gedoen het met daai beeste
[18:30] <Kilos> hulle is sterk man
[18:30] <inetpro> maar ja dit was rowwe tye, baie harde werk
[18:30] <Kilos> gesien al waar osse ploeg waar n trekker opstaan
[18:31] <Kilos> daai ander gras
[18:31] <Kilos> kweek
[18:31] <Kilos> kwaai taai wortel stelsel
[18:34] <smile4ever> bye! :)
[18:34] <charl_> ciao smile4ever 
[18:34] <Kilos> toods smile4ever 
[18:34] <smile4ever> good night :)
[18:34] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:34] <smile4ever> Kilos: thanks, you too :)
[18:34] <charl_> this is a strange one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5704406/
[18:34] <Kilos> ty
[18:34] <charl_> look at the Head_Flying_Hours
[18:34] <charl_> this drive is a few months old
[18:35] <charl_> the Raw_Read_Error_Rate is also pretty high
[18:37] <charl_> and the Seek_Error_Rate but look at the Power_On_Hours
[18:37] <charl_> makes no sense whatsoever, i have never seen this before
[18:37] <charl_> anyone with ideas?
[18:37] <charl_> i think the smart on this drive has turned dumb
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:39] <charl_> seriously, this is a new drive and it has been like this right from the start
[18:39] <Kilos> disable smart and keep using it
[18:39] <charl_> i have never had any issues with it though
[18:39] <Tonberry_> refurbished drive perhaps?
[18:39] <charl_> i don't know if you can disable smart but it doesn't make a difference
[18:39] <charl_> Tonberry_: no a brand new drive from Dell
[18:39] <Kilos> in bios i think
[18:40] <charl_> maybe they have in fact reused an old drive, but that's hard to believe
[18:40] <charl_> my other (primary) drive is normal
[18:41] <charl_> i'll run this by some of my colleagues tomorrow, see what they say
[18:41] <charl_> in principle it doesn't matter, it's just weird and now i don't know if something goes wrong
[18:42] <charl_> i like to run a smart test every couple of weeks
[18:43] <Kilos> why?
[18:43] <charl_> just to monitor how the drive is doing, if i see a lot of errors all of a sudden i need to order a new drive
[18:44] <Tonberry_> i've never really been any good at reading raw smart data
[18:44] <charl_> most of it isn't rocket science and you can google what you don't understand
[18:44] <charl_> there are a lot of guides online
[18:45] <Kilos> charl_, order one and keep it in the cupboard and keep a good backup of this one
[18:45] <Kilos> it will most likely last years still
[18:45] <charl_> i do backups in any case and we actually do keep a spare drive in the office for safety
[18:45] <Kilos> when you arent prepared the you have troubles
[18:45] <charl_> in principle it doesn't matter too much, but now i'm just curious
[18:46] <Kilos> leave well enough alone they say
[18:46] <charl_> yeah but i wonder about what Tonberry_ said just now, about a refurbished drive
[18:46] <Kilos> if it aint broke dont fix it
[18:46] <charl_> they shouldn't sell a drive as new if it isn't new
[18:47] <Kilos> query from the manufacturers and give the bar code
[18:47] <Kilos> they keep records
[18:47] <charl_> good idea
[18:47] <charl_> nah i just like to keep these things in check :)
[18:48] <Kilos> hehe
[18:48] <Kilos> run fsck and if it sees no probs forget about it
[18:51] <Kilos> there actually is a command to check for bad blocks too
[18:51] <charl_> i could do that
[18:52] <Kilos> it also marks them so they arent used i think
[18:52] <charl_> there's this tool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badblocks
[18:52] <Kilos> but you get info about if there are any
[18:53] <Kilos> when i find the command ill ping you
[18:53] <charl_> thanks!
[18:53] <Kilos> could be anywhere here
[18:54] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/104063/how-can-i-know-the-number-of-bad-sectors-on-my-hard-drive
[18:55] <Kilos> dont remember if that was it. i got the commands saved somewhere
[18:55] <Kilos> maybe its as you say the smart is sick
[18:56] <Kilos> thats in firmware isnt it
[18:57] <Kilos> charl_, it looks like them commands if i member right
[18:58] <charl_> ah i see
[18:58] <charl_> thanks a lot
[18:58] <charl_> i'll try it tomorrow
[18:58] <Kilos> yw
[18:58] <Kilos> helps to play with old scrap drives at times
[18:59] <Kilos> but also when a new drive is faulty and a few peeps complain they give patches for the firmware
[19:02] <charl_> yeah it's 10-1 just faulty firmware
[19:05] <Kilos> but if new they replace under gaurantee as well
[19:05] <Kilos> garauntee
[19:05] <Kilos> that thing
[19:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:56]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:56] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[19:56] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[19:56] <Kilos> superfly, you travelling again tomorrow?
[20:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[20:00] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[20:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[20:01] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:43] <charl_> nn all
[21:45] <Kilos> oh my, transmission flys
[21:45] <Kilos> my modem must be cooking
[21:46] <Kilos> 808mB in 45 mins
[21:47] <Kilos> night again guys