| OvenWerks | I suppose once you know how it is ok. | 00:00 |
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| OvenWerks | Access is faster | 00:02 |
| DarkEra | OvenWerks, kubuntu saucy? | 00:17 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, saucy | 00:27 |
| DarkEra | i believe i got the 3.9.0-2 generic kernel too on my ubuntu studio saucy dev partition, no lowlatency yet | 00:33 |
| OvenWerks | That shouldn't be. | 00:48 |
| OvenWerks | You should get lowlatency even if it's old | 00:49 |
| OvenWerks | The only reason I have generic is because it is a kubuntu install | 00:49 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: Another idea... A ubuntustudio-install package | 01:15 |
| DarkEra | i'll check on that tomorrow to make sure what kernel it is and let you know | 01:15 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: the idea is, install a ubuntu flavour | 01:16 |
| OvenWerks | DarkEra: ok, I will check my ubuntustudio install too | 01:16 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: install the ubuntustudio-install package. | 01:16 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: a menu item shows up in the system submenu | 01:17 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: starting it gives a gui that list the workflows. | 01:17 |
| DarkEra | since i'm still awake i might do so right away, i'll be right back | 01:18 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: the user checks the boxes they what to install or unchecks ones they want removed (might be more dangerous) | 01:18 |
| OvenWerks | Hits go/install/whatever and the user gets put in audio (or whatever) group. The flag is set to yes for jack RT and the install gets done. | 01:19 |
| DarkEra | OvenWerks, 3.9.0-2-generic #7-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 20 14:23:48 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 01:21 |
| OvenWerks | It could even be done like the msfonts installer where installing it runs the installer dialog. | 01:22 |
| OvenWerks | Darkera, I'll check here | 01:22 |
| DarkEra | ok, thanks | 01:22 |
| OvenWerks | I have 3.8.0-19-lowlatency | 01:23 |
| DarkEra | that one is still showing in grub too | 01:24 |
| OvenWerks | VERSION="UbuntuStudio 13.10, Saucy Salamander" | 01:24 |
| OvenWerks | I haven't booted, just looking at the files in /boot on that partition and /etc/os-version | 01:25 |
| OvenWerks | But I do not have any generic kernel. | 01:25 |
| OvenWerks | There are some things that do load in the generic though. | 01:26 |
| OvenWerks | and once you do, the highest number becomes default | 01:26 |
| DarkEra | VERSION="13.10, Saucy Salamander" | 01:27 |
| OvenWerks | We need to add a rule to the grub tree that if jackd is installed, low latency is always default | 01:27 |
| DarkEra | weird it pulled in the generic kernel | 01:27 |
| OvenWerks | If you run synaptic and search linux | 01:28 |
| OvenWerks | actually search linux-generic. | 01:29 |
| OvenWerks | if you right click on it (in the window below) and select properties | 01:30 |
| OvenWerks | The second tab is Dependencies | 01:30 |
| DarkEra | ok, got it | 01:31 |
| OvenWerks | The button at the top is a drop down menu that you can select Dependants | 01:31 |
| OvenWerks | Those are the things that depend on generic | 01:31 |
| OvenWerks | I have linux-server, linux-generic-pae and linux | 01:32 |
| OvenWerks | (remember this is a kubuntu install) | 01:32 |
| DarkEra | it shows linux-generic, linux-server and linux | 01:32 |
| OvenWerks | So you need to see if any of those are installed. Linux isn't here | 01:33 |
| DarkEra | this was a 13.04 ubuntu studio install that was upgraded to the development cycle | 01:33 |
| OvenWerks | That may be part of it. If so that is a bug. | 01:33 |
| DarkEra | linux-generic is installed, linux-server not from what i can see | 01:34 |
| OvenWerks | I am seeing the same things here | 01:35 |
| OvenWerks | I have generic, but none of the dependants are installed. | 01:36 |
| OvenWerks | I guess that method is not too good. | 01:36 |
| OvenWerks | I wonder if it is the upgrader | 01:37 |
| OvenWerks | Distrobution-upgrade may pull in the standard kernel for the new version. | 01:37 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: ^^^ | 01:38 |
| DarkEra | should i remove them or just let it be as is for now | 01:39 |
| OvenWerks | You can remove linux | 01:40 |
| OvenWerks | But that is up to you | 01:40 |
| OvenWerks | It works fine as is, but you need to boot from the menu under the default for lowlatency | 01:40 |
| DarkEra | ok, i'll look into that later on when i'm up again. getting late here... or early... lol | 01:42 |
| DarkEra | 3:43 am | 01:42 |
| OvenWerks | Late any way you look at it. | 01:42 |
| OvenWerks | GN | 01:42 |
| DarkEra | chat you later and thanks again for the guidance | 01:42 |
| OvenWerks | No problem | 01:43 |
| madeinkobaia | See you all : ) | 01:56 |
| OvenWerks | Bye | 01:56 |
| madeinkobaia | By Len : ) | 01:56 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: Another idea... menus this time. | 03:05 |
| OvenWerks | Right now we use a layout with our workflows near the top and our Studio info submenu at the bottom. | 03:06 |
| OvenWerks | Because of the way other DE menus are put together it may make more sense to add it at the top or bottom of our workflow section. | 03:07 |
| OvenWerks | It doesn't matter so much if we are building our own DE meta, but if we want to add the menu to a flavour it may help. | 03:08 |
| zequence | OvenWerks, There is something weird happening with the -generic kernel, and I have no idea why it is pulled in | 06:10 |
| zequence | OvenWerks, About the audio group, my intention is to fix that not only for Ubuntu Studio, but for Debian + Ubuntu, to make sure installing jack is all that is required in order to get realtime | 06:11 |
| zequence | It's impossible to administer groups for users using installers | 06:11 |
| zequence | Not technically, but policy wise | 06:11 |
| zequence | At least, not automatically | 06:12 |
| zequence | One needs a tool for that, where the user is informed and allowed to choose | 06:12 |
| OvenWerks | Tool = installer? | 06:19 |
| OvenWerks | Re -generic, I think what is happening is that as part of the standard distro-upgrade, the new kernel is installed. | 06:20 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: where in the seeds is our kernel? Used to be in desktop... | 06:40 |
| OvenWerks | If the seeds are the metas that an upgrade uses and there is no kernel in the seeds/metas, does the distro upgrade sw install the generic kernel because there is nothing else? | 06:46 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: ^^ | 06:47 |
| zequence | OvenWerks, I really don't know why it is pulled in. Haven't thoroughly investigated | 06:57 |
| zequence | The tool could be a part of the installer, sure | 06:57 |
| zequence | But, I'd rather fix the way realtime is administered. It would make it so we don't need a tool | 06:58 |
| zequence | I've been working on a realtime privilege administering tool for -controls, but I'm hoping I won't need to add it | 06:59 |
| zequence | phew, I've been sick, like poisoned for more than a day now. Starting to come back to life | 07:07 |
| astraljava | Uhh... that sounds nasty. What happened? | 10:01 |
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| OvenWerks | zequence: you have been timing out | 14:59 |
| OvenWerks | I have looked at the do-release-upgrade code as best I can | 15:00 |
| OvenWerks | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrade | 15:00 |
| OvenWerks | It seems to be pretty much meta based from what I can tell. | 15:01 |
| OvenWerks | We have no kernel in any of our metas or in our seeds anywhere | 15:01 |
| OvenWerks | The ISO still includes it so I don't know where it gets speced | 15:02 |
| OvenWerks | Anyway, do-release-upgrade, only mentions the kernel in one place and it is about removing old ones. It does show the variants it removes and RT is included, but low latency is not | 15:03 |
| OvenWerks | It may be that it uses the remove variants to decide what it can replace it with. | 15:06 |
| OvenWerks | sorry, it calls them types. | 15:08 |
| OvenWerks | Also, It is interesting that in removal_blacklist.cfg, all of the other flavour-desktop metas are mentioned, but not ubuntustudio | 15:11 |
| OvenWerks | that may have to be so until the gnome2 DE is no longer supported ?? | 15:12 |
| OvenWerks | The metas that a studio upgrade is based on are ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntustudio-default-settings, ubuntustudio-look and no others. | 15:15 |
| OvenWerks | That should mean that any other metas are not release specific. This means that if ubuntustudio-recording is installed in 12.04 and we add an app to it in 13.10, that the 12.04 install would try to upgrade to the new meta... Or should. | 15:17 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I am dumping all this in an email | 15:20 |
| zequence | OvenWerks, Seems like we need to understand how the ISO is done better. I know that audio group is only added when installing from ISO, but haven't taken the time to find out how | 18:53 |
| OvenWerks | Well, I am installing precise now and will upgrade to 1304. I will check what I end up with. | 20:59 |
| OvenWerks | Package wise | 21:00 |
| OvenWerks | Have to update the install first :) | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | 186 updates | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | comes with low-latency | 21:24 |
| OvenWerks | do-release-upgrade -d gets me from P to Q. Descroption shows lowlatency kernel | 21:46 |
| OvenWerks | maybe it will only be a problem from R to S | 21:46 |
| OvenWerks | I will try them all | 21:47 |
| OvenWerks | I think S does not have a new kernel yet, that may be why. | 21:48 |
| zequence | OvenWerks, From what I've seen, just installing 32bit gets you -generic kernel | 21:57 |
| zequence | So, not just from upgrading | 21:57 |
| zequence | And it may not be the same on 32bit and 64bit | 21:57 |
| OvenWerks | So far all of my installs have been low latency. | 21:58 |
| zequence | OvenWerks, Yes, lowlatency and* -generic in the case of 32bit | 21:58 |
| zequence | Check /boot for configs | 21:58 |
| OvenWerks | ls /media/b98b7106-e426-4dae-bd0b-978f70936e2c/boot/ | 21:59 |
| OvenWerks | abi-3.8.0-19-lowlatency memtest86+.bin | 21:59 |
| OvenWerks | config-3.8.0-19-lowlatency memtest86+_multiboot.bin | 21:59 |
| OvenWerks | grub System.map-3.8.0-19-lowlatency | 21:59 |
| OvenWerks | initrd.img-3.8.0-19-lowlatency vmlinuz-3.8.0-19-lowlatency | 21:59 |
| zequence | Ok, so not in the case of raring | 22:00 |
| OvenWerks | Thats 13.10 straight install | 22:00 |
| zequence | Oh, saucy then | 22:00 |
| zequence | I've only checked precise and quantal | 22:00 |
| OvenWerks | precice was correct too | 22:00 |
| zequence | Well, for some reason, I had -generic installed on 32bit. I have no idea why, but it happened, both on Precise and Quantal | 22:01 |
| zequence | This was some time ago I had a look at that last | 22:02 |
| zequence | Many months | 22:02 |
| OvenWerks | precise was install plus all the updates to now. So it now has two lowlatency kernels. | 22:02 |
| OvenWerks | I haven't had that happen on any installs, that is why I thought maybe upgrades | 22:03 |
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