[00:00] I suppose once you know how it is ok. [00:02] Access is faster [00:17] OvenWerks, kubuntu saucy? [00:27] Ya, saucy [00:33] i believe i got the 3.9.0-2 generic kernel too on my ubuntu studio saucy dev partition, no lowlatency yet [00:48] That shouldn't be. [00:49] You should get lowlatency even if it's old [00:49] The only reason I have generic is because it is a kubuntu install [01:15] zequence: Another idea... A ubuntustudio-install package [01:15] i'll check on that tomorrow to make sure what kernel it is and let you know [01:16] zequence: the idea is, install a ubuntu flavour [01:16] DarkEra: ok, I will check my ubuntustudio install too [01:16] zequence: install the ubuntustudio-install package. [01:17] zequence: a menu item shows up in the system submenu [01:17] zequence: starting it gives a gui that list the workflows. [01:18] since i'm still awake i might do so right away, i'll be right back [01:18] zequence: the user checks the boxes they what to install or unchecks ones they want removed (might be more dangerous) [01:19] Hits go/install/whatever and the user gets put in audio (or whatever) group. The flag is set to yes for jack RT and the install gets done. [01:21] OvenWerks, 3.9.0-2-generic #7-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 20 14:23:48 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [01:22] It could even be done like the msfonts installer where installing it runs the installer dialog. [01:22] Darkera, I'll check here [01:22] ok, thanks [01:23] I have 3.8.0-19-lowlatency [01:24] that one is still showing in grub too [01:24] VERSION="UbuntuStudio 13.10, Saucy Salamander" [01:25] I haven't booted, just looking at the files in /boot on that partition and /etc/os-version [01:25] But I do not have any generic kernel. [01:26] There are some things that do load in the generic though. [01:26] and once you do, the highest number becomes default [01:27] VERSION="13.10, Saucy Salamander" [01:27] We need to add a rule to the grub tree that if jackd is installed, low latency is always default [01:27] weird it pulled in the generic kernel [01:28] If you run synaptic and search linux [01:29] actually search linux-generic. [01:30] if you right click on it (in the window below) and select properties [01:30] The second tab is Dependencies [01:31] ok, got it [01:31] The button at the top is a drop down menu that you can select Dependants [01:31] Those are the things that depend on generic [01:32] I have linux-server, linux-generic-pae and linux [01:32] (remember this is a kubuntu install) [01:32] it shows linux-generic, linux-server and linux [01:33] So you need to see if any of those are installed. Linux isn't here [01:33] this was a 13.04 ubuntu studio install that was upgraded to the development cycle [01:33] That may be part of it. If so that is a bug. [01:34] linux-generic is installed, linux-server not from what i can see [01:35] I am seeing the same things here [01:36] I have generic, but none of the dependants are installed. [01:36] I guess that method is not too good. [01:37] I wonder if it is the upgrader [01:37] Distrobution-upgrade may pull in the standard kernel for the new version. [01:38] zequence: ^^^ [01:39] should i remove them or just let it be as is for now [01:40] You can remove linux [01:40] But that is up to you [01:40] It works fine as is, but you need to boot from the menu under the default for lowlatency [01:42] ok, i'll look into that later on when i'm up again. getting late here... or early... lol [01:42] 3:43 am [01:42] Late any way you look at it. [01:42] GN [01:42] chat you later and thanks again for the guidance [01:43] No problem [01:56] See you all : ) [01:56] Bye [01:56] By Len : ) [03:05] zequence: Another idea... menus this time. [03:06] Right now we use a layout with our workflows near the top and our Studio info submenu at the bottom. [03:07] Because of the way other DE menus are put together it may make more sense to add it at the top or bottom of our workflow section. [03:08] It doesn't matter so much if we are building our own DE meta, but if we want to add the menu to a flavour it may help. [06:10] OvenWerks, There is something weird happening with the -generic kernel, and I have no idea why it is pulled in [06:11] OvenWerks, About the audio group, my intention is to fix that not only for Ubuntu Studio, but for Debian + Ubuntu, to make sure installing jack is all that is required in order to get realtime [06:11] It's impossible to administer groups for users using installers [06:11] Not technically, but policy wise [06:12] At least, not automatically [06:12] One needs a tool for that, where the user is informed and allowed to choose [06:19] Tool = installer? [06:20] Re -generic, I think what is happening is that as part of the standard distro-upgrade, the new kernel is installed. [06:40] zequence: where in the seeds is our kernel? Used to be in desktop... [06:46] If the seeds are the metas that an upgrade uses and there is no kernel in the seeds/metas, does the distro upgrade sw install the generic kernel because there is nothing else? [06:47] zequence: ^^ [06:57] OvenWerks, I really don't know why it is pulled in. Haven't thoroughly investigated [06:57] The tool could be a part of the installer, sure [06:58] But, I'd rather fix the way realtime is administered. It would make it so we don't need a tool [06:59] I've been working on a realtime privilege administering tool for -controls, but I'm hoping I won't need to add it [07:07] phew, I've been sick, like poisoned for more than a day now. Starting to come back to life [10:01] Uhh... that sounds nasty. What happened? === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [14:59] zequence: you have been timing out [15:00] I have looked at the do-release-upgrade code as best I can [15:00] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrade [15:01] It seems to be pretty much meta based from what I can tell. [15:01] We have no kernel in any of our metas or in our seeds anywhere [15:02] The ISO still includes it so I don't know where it gets speced [15:03] Anyway, do-release-upgrade, only mentions the kernel in one place and it is about removing old ones. It does show the variants it removes and RT is included, but low latency is not [15:06] It may be that it uses the remove variants to decide what it can replace it with. [15:08] sorry, it calls them types. [15:11] Also, It is interesting that in removal_blacklist.cfg, all of the other flavour-desktop metas are mentioned, but not ubuntustudio [15:12] that may have to be so until the gnome2 DE is no longer supported ?? [15:15] The metas that a studio upgrade is based on are ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntustudio-default-settings, ubuntustudio-look and no others. [15:17] That should mean that any other metas are not release specific. This means that if ubuntustudio-recording is installed in 12.04 and we add an app to it in 13.10, that the 12.04 install would try to upgrade to the new meta... Or should. [15:20] zequence: I am dumping all this in an email [18:53] OvenWerks, Seems like we need to understand how the ISO is done better. I know that audio group is only added when installing from ISO, but haven't taken the time to find out how [20:59] Well, I am installing precise now and will upgrade to 1304. I will check what I end up with. [21:00] Package wise [21:17] Have to update the install first :) [21:17] 186 updates [21:24] comes with low-latency [21:46] do-release-upgrade -d gets me from P to Q. Descroption shows lowlatency kernel [21:46] maybe it will only be a problem from R to S [21:47] I will try them all [21:48] I think S does not have a new kernel yet, that may be why. [21:57] OvenWerks, From what I've seen, just installing 32bit gets you -generic kernel [21:57] So, not just from upgrading [21:57] And it may not be the same on 32bit and 64bit [21:58] So far all of my installs have been low latency. [21:58] OvenWerks, Yes, lowlatency and* -generic in the case of 32bit [21:58] Check /boot for configs [21:59] ls /media/b98b7106-e426-4dae-bd0b-978f70936e2c/boot/ [21:59] abi-3.8.0-19-lowlatency memtest86+.bin [21:59] config-3.8.0-19-lowlatency memtest86+_multiboot.bin [21:59] grub System.map-3.8.0-19-lowlatency [21:59] initrd.img-3.8.0-19-lowlatency vmlinuz-3.8.0-19-lowlatency [22:00] Ok, so not in the case of raring [22:00] Thats 13.10 straight install [22:00] Oh, saucy then [22:00] I've only checked precise and quantal [22:00] precice was correct too [22:01] Well, for some reason, I had -generic installed on 32bit. I have no idea why, but it happened, both on Precise and Quantal [22:02] This was some time ago I had a look at that last [22:02] Many months [22:02] precise was install plus all the updates to now. So it now has two lowlatency kernels. [22:03] I haven't had that happen on any installs, that is why I thought maybe upgrades