[09:24] <knome> skellat, i think micahg said anything that's in the xubuntu seed is in the xubuntu packageset
[10:06] <elfy> ochosi: I installed the ppa and the new greybird, it all appeared to work - however at the login screen - very very dark and no way to change session or anything - all I could do was either login as me or guest
[10:32] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[10:32] <elfy> hi bluesabre :)
[10:32] <bluesabre> the session controls are in the upper right now :)
[10:32] <elfy> oh right ;)
[10:33] <elfy> wish I'd been told that before :p I'd have checked them out lol 
[10:33] <bluesabre> :D
[10:33] <bluesabre> as a quick changelog..
[10:33]  * elfy doesn't use that install much it is more or less as installed with no music ... 
[10:33] <bluesabre> session and locale are in the system tray
[10:34] <bluesabre> a clock can be enabled by adding some settings to lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[10:34] <elfy> oh right - you want me to check that as well?
[10:34] <bluesabre> you're welcome to, but you shouldn't have to
[10:35] <bluesabre> are the symbolic icons and text showing up as the white-like color?
[10:35] <elfy> so what does need checking - login (which I've done) and session and locale 
[10:35] <elfy> in the top right?
[10:35] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:36] <elfy> didn't notice them - login box was DARK - couldn't really read it very well 
[10:36] <elfy> couple of minutes and I'll be back
[10:40] <elfy> bluesabre: ok - yes the symbolic icons in the top right are 'white' and readable 
[10:40] <bluesabre> most things should be dark, but the text and icons should all have a nice contrast and be visible
[10:41] <bluesabre> good
[10:41] <elfy> for what it's worth - I'd 'prefer' to see those top right icons with rounded corners - they look rather stark
[10:42] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[10:42] <elfy> did restart from the icon - the 'selecte'd option ie you want to restart was readable, but the other 'no I don't want to' was again unreadable 
[10:42] <bluesabre> ah
[10:42] <elfy> all looks ok in general and works - but I'd prefer to be able to read the 'unused option's to be more apparent
[10:43] <elfy> the login box itself - can just read username - password box is fine - login button is just readable
[10:44] <elfy> bluesabre: does that help and make sense? 
[10:44] <bluesabre> I think so
[10:44] <elfy> ok :)
[10:44] <bluesabre> Would you mind installing xserver-xephyr and then running lightdm --test-mode
[10:44] <elfy> you think it helps or you think it makes sense :p
[10:44] <elfy> sigh - more time without music :( 
[10:45] <elfy> lol
[10:45] <bluesabre> if you do the above command you can take a screenshot since it will keep you in your session
[10:45] <elfy> aah cool 
[10:45] <knome> elfy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/ReleaseProcess
[10:45] <knome> elfy, add things as you feel appropriate!
[10:46] <elfy> ok
[10:46] <elfy> brb - off to boring install again :)
[10:51] <forestpiskie> bluesabre: 
[10:51] <forestpiskie> http://imagebin.org/259009
[10:52] <bluesabre> thanks!
[10:52] <bluesabre> ochosi ^^
[10:52] <bluesabre> thats a bug forestpiskie, one that ochosi has not been getting :)
[10:54] <knome> PEBKAC?
[10:55] <bluesabre> ..?
[10:55] <knome> "problem exists between keyboard and chair" ?
[10:56] <bluesabre> I've never heard that one before :D
[10:56] <forestpiskie> bluesabre anything else I can do here?
[10:56] <bluesabre> that should do it
[10:56] <bluesabre> Thanks a lot!
[10:56] <forestpiskie> ok :)
[11:01] <elfy> bluesabre: if there's anything else just ask 
[11:02] <bluesabre> sure thing
[11:02] <elfy> knome: and it's pebkacmya :p
[11:03] <knome> hmmm... :P
[11:03] <elfy> suppose I could have used a vm - just thought it would be a better test with real hardware
[11:04] <knome> real hardware is always cool
[11:05] <elfy> yea
[17:14] <micahg> knome: well, anything in universe should be in the seed
[17:14] <micahg> knome: err...packageset
[17:20] <micahg> errr...anything in universe in the seed should be in the packageset
[17:43] <knome> micahg, mmh, yeah
[17:43] <knome> micahg, maybe note that in the wikipage
[17:49] <micahg> which one?
[17:50] <knome> micahg, let me find that for you
[17:51] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/EnablingXubuntuDevelopers
[17:51] <knome> that one
[18:51] <knome> so, i'm working on xubuntu website improvements
[18:52] <knome> http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/
[18:52] <knome> how does the new navigation look?
[18:52] <lderan> looks cool 
[18:57] <Unit193> Hah, fade-through looks terrible on here. :D
[18:57] <Unit193> knome: Looks great!
[18:58] <knome> good
[18:58] <knome> heh
[18:58] <knome> "looks terrible" == "looks great" ok
[18:58] <elfy> well that appears to be the initial autopilot question answered then 
[18:59] <Unit193> Missed "on here", the i915 driver hates me on raring.  I'd recommend changing the wording to something like "Click here for more, bigger, screenshots!"
[18:59] <knome> i'm about to change that completely!
[18:59] <knome> i mean, i have grand plans for it
[19:00] <knome> let's see about those now then. :)
[19:01] <Unit193> Ah, alrighty-o.  I'm for more too, as on ML.
[19:36] <knome> Unit193, linky-link better now?
[19:37] <Unit193> And it works too!  Sure, I liked it below better, but that's just me, I'll get used to this.
[19:37] <knome> well just trying things out
[19:43] <knome> Unit193, what about that?
[19:45] <Unit193> I like that one better, yeah.
[19:45] <knome> yeah, cleaner too
[19:46] <knome> what do we think about the button icons?
[19:47] <knome> those aren't in the new navigation, but do we really need them there? or in the footer?
[19:48] <Unit193> Brings more attention to them, and getting Xubuntu or help I'd think is the main reason for the site. (More or less.)
[19:48] <knome> okay
[19:48] <knome> will have to look at that then.
[19:52] <knome> Unit193, something like that? (just a really quick mockup)
[19:52] <Unit193> Erm, they look "off", like they are sliding off the bottom.
[19:53] <knome> just dismiss that part
[19:53] <knome> i'll make them look better to if that works if this is generally a good direction
[19:53] <knome> *to see
[19:54] <Unit193> I don't know, up there it looks a bit odd, but could just be the placement, or actually size.
[19:55] <knome> Unit193, that placement looks better?
[19:58] <Unit193> Yep, but do you think smaller is better?  (I'm not the webdesigner!)
[19:58] <knome> i'm thinking i'd drop the circle shape
[19:58] <knome> just too lazy to do that if that doesn't look like a good direction
[19:58] <knome> but let's see
[20:00] <knome> Unit193, like that?
[20:00] <Unit193> Yes, get involved being the best as it is centered on the image.
[20:01] <knome> mmh, yeah, why not
[20:02] <knome> the problem with those is that if we want to add menu items, we will need new icons and a change in code
[20:02] <Unit193> Well of course you can try something more reasonable.
[20:02] <knome> there's nothing that comes with images that's any more reasonable :)
[20:03] <knome> that's the issue
[20:05] <lderan> i like the images in the little circles myself
[20:13] <knome> now?
[20:14] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:15] <knome> and now the bg colors should be as designed as well
[20:15] <knome> the get involved -image needs work though
[20:17] <knome> better?
[20:22] <lderan> yeah
[20:24] <knome> ...aaand once more
[20:44] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/saucy/revision/42 Hrm, I know we don't ship it, but this mean we're cutting out all info about apt-offline-gui?
[20:45] <skellat> Qt-based, violates strategy document
[20:45] <knome> Unit193, yeah.
[20:45] <Unit193> Ehhh...
[20:49] <knome> Unit193, oi?
[20:55] <knome> played a bit with the links on the frontpage
[20:55] <knome> (left side)
[20:55] <knome> i think that's pretty nice now
[20:55] <knome> we should incorporate about eg. "read more..." with the tour anyway
[20:56] <skellat> I sync'ed the 1.3 version of apt-offline from sid to my PPA.  It looks like apt-offline-gui is slowly being deprecated.
[20:56] <Unit193> Makeing screenshots small? ;)
[21:03] <knome> how's that?
[21:17] <elfy> knome: if there's a bug for a testcase and I'm going to do it - how can I mark it in some way so that others know I'm doing it?
[21:17] <elfy> without having to leave pointless comments in the bug
[21:18] <knome> elfy, i imagine setting yourself as the assignee :)
[21:18] <elfy> ok - simple as that is it :)
[21:18] <knome> yup
[21:18] <elfy> all new to me :)
[21:20] <elfy> done 2 now 
[21:20] <elfy> /happy 
[21:20] <knome> :)
[21:21] <elfy> I'm not going to worry about autopilot until I can get a definitive on whether it will even work in Xubuntu
[21:30] <Noskcaj> ditto ^
[21:32] <knome> Noskcaj, why don't you find out if it does?
[21:32] <elfy> Noskcaj: so can I leave you to check into findinf out if it works for us? 
[21:33] <elfy> oh d'oh ...snap
[21:33] <knome> :)
[21:38] <elfy> knome: we going to be having first meeting soon? 
[21:38] <knome> yeah, i should announce it
[21:38] <knome> this or next weeks thu
[21:39] <knome> not sure about my own schedule for this weeks thu yet, so can't announce just yet
[21:39] <elfy> k 
[21:39] <knome> feel free to do some unofficial impromptu meetings :)
[21:39] <elfy> so we know sort of about where I will be - this thursday I'm not working - next thursday I will be, rinse and repeat 
[21:40] <knome> did you look at the new website staging stuff yet ? :)
[21:40] <knome> aha, is friday this week any better?
[21:40] <knome> around 15 utcish
[21:40] <elfy> and if it's at the same sort of time as last one's I attended then I can't ever attend if I'm working
[21:40] <knome> because that's another possibility
[21:40] <knome> aha
[21:40] <knome> how much later should we push that?
[21:40] <knome> 17utc?
[21:41] <elfy> this friday would be ok - I work week on week off 
[21:41] <elfy> very hard to tell - I work until the ill people have their meds :)
[21:41] <knome> okay
[21:41] <elfy> but in general Thurs/Fri I work till somewhere between 5 and 6 
[21:41] <elfy> mmm
[21:42] <knome> 5/6 utc?
[21:42] <elfy> so that's 1600/1700 UTC at this moment - summer time
[21:42] <knome> oki
[21:42] <elfy> but as they are usually not every week if we started this week that would work for me 
[21:43] <knome> yeah
[21:43] <knome> i'll take that into consideration
[21:43] <knome> i have no problems meeting on even weeks
[21:44] <elfy> k
[21:45] <elfy> but as you say we can always have improptu ones when necessary 
[21:45] <knome> most definitely
[21:45] <knome> all contributor-to-contributor communication is encouraged
[21:46] <knome> and since i'm usualyly around more or less every day... :)
[21:46] <elfy> :)
[21:46] <elfy> well - twice a month some am I for a week at a time usually :)
[21:49] <knome> i think that's a good cadence
[21:49] <elfy> yep 
[21:49] <knome> (see, picking up the buzzwords)
[21:49] <elfy> see me just agreeing ... 
[21:49] <elfy> :)
[21:50] <Unit193> Nice part is doing them in here, much easier to read backlog.
[21:50] <elfy> buzzwords ... make elfy go zzzzzz
[21:50] <elfy> Unit193: totally agree 
[21:51] <knome> Unit193, definitely. -devel over -offtopic too ;)
[21:51] <knome> brb
[21:52] <Unit193> knome: meetingology isn't in -offtopic. ;)
[21:54] <knome> Unit193, sure. but impromptu meetings do not need a bot
[21:55] <elfy> just a pot of coffee 
[21:55] <knome> :D
[21:55] <knome> ypup
[21:56] <knome> uhm
[21:58] <elfy> so why doesn't /away work in irssi then 
[21:59] <knome> elfy, it does!
[21:59] <elfy> nope 
[21:59] <elfy> do you have to give a reason or just /away
[22:00] <knome> a reason
[22:00] <knome> see -ot ;)
[22:01] <Noskcaj> autopilot advantages: speeds up post-install tests and possibly live session tests, once the ubiquity part is done ISO tests will be a lot faster. Cons: a lot of time to make (both testcases and making autopilot work fully with xubuntu)