[02:13] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: you don't have any work items
[02:14] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: I do have, but I think the blueprints aren't targeted to the series
[02:14] <cjohnston> they have to be accepted to show up
[02:14] <JoseeAntonioR> you know who is accepting the blueprints?
[02:21] <cjohnston> managers normally
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[11:43] <dholbach> balloons, do you think you could help with the comments about the quality page on http://91.189.93.108? (http://pad.ubuntu.com/aNBBojgxJg)
[11:55]  * dholbach relocates to new office - bbiab
[12:28] <dpm> dholbach, I think balloons is not in today, bank holiday in the US
[12:32] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[12:32] <dholbach> I'll mail him then :)
[12:33] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[12:37] <elfy> wb dholbach - was the move to the new office worth it :)
[12:37] <dholbach> elfy, I used to work from this office for a while some years ago, but it was a separate office which didn't suit me very well
[12:38] <elfy> my office is a seat in a van :)
[12:38] <dholbach> now they have new offices which have a more free-floating aspect to it and I'll work together with a few friends of mine, which will be very nice
[12:38] <elfy> or a desk in my front room :)
[12:38] <elfy> oh that sounds nice :)
[12:38] <dholbach> so later on today we'll set up desks and I guess I'll work from here most of the time then :)
[12:39] <dholbach> and only on the rainy days I'll work from home ;-)
[12:39] <elfy> sounds great - you don't know how lucky you are - or you might lol
[12:39] <dholbach> yeah, there's things I absolutely can't complain about :)
[12:40] <elfy> dholbach: I looked at the etherpad today - I'm completely confused now as to what's been looked at and what's not - so I closed it again ;)
[12:40] <dholbach> so basically everything marked with strike-through should have been updated on the test instance
[12:41] <dholbach> and there's a few very non-specific pieces of feedback which will be hard to eradicate
[12:41] <dholbach> "remove repetition" :)
[12:42] <elfy> yea understand that - probably my eyes - the lines all tend to merge into one and I see them where they are not there :)
[12:42] <dholbach> drink less! :-P
[12:42] <dholbach> so yeah, I'm going through some of the longer pages now, trying to shorten them somewhat
[12:42] <elfy> yea - hard to do that - and I'm not even sure we should, if someone lands on one page because of their interest - not having something there becuase it's repeated elsewhere won't help
[12:43] <dholbach> yeah, agreed - it's a hard problem to solve
[12:43] <elfy> but long pages is a different kettle of fish - perhaps one person (you ;) ) shorten them and then just ask for review of those
[12:43] <elfy> just a thought :)
[12:44]  * elfy wanders off to check a testcase he's written 
[12:45] <dholbach> in my opinion we should try to get something which looks good and has no grave typos in it out there, and then do a re-review together and maybe come up with some guidelines for the page
[12:45] <dholbach> like "this is what we should say on the landing page" and "this is the kind of information we want on the specific subpages", so it will be easier to make a decision what should be where
[12:45] <elfy> sounds like a plan, what no-one's going to want is a perpetual review with no real page landing :)
[12:45] <dholbach> but I guess you need to get a bit of experience with it first
[12:45] <elfy> yea
[12:46] <dholbach> elfy, I filed an IS ticket and we basically have everything prepared for the move
[12:46] <elfy> cool
[15:29] <jcastro> elfy: I've gotten the goahead to set discourse up on hp cloud if you guys wanna give it a shot
[16:04] <elfy> jcastro: ok - thanks for letting me know - we'll look I am sure :)
[16:04] <elfy> hope you're having a good day today too
[16:06] <jcastro> it's raining on my day off
[16:06] <jcastro> so might as well do something for ubuntu, lol
[16:08] <elfy> oh :(
[16:08] <elfy> had two days of sun here - something of a minor miracle at the moment, due to chuck it down again tomorrow though
[17:11] <mhall119> jcastro: when you do your charm schools, how do you make sure everybody comes to class with everything they need ot get started writing charms?
[17:12] <mhall119> like, having Ubuntu installed, having the right packages installed, etc
[17:14] <cjohnston> I can't run windows for charm school?
[17:14] <cjohnston> how about Arch?
[17:15] <mhall119> :P
[17:17] <jcastro> they don't
[17:17] <jcastro> most people just ask questions, usually they're not writing on the spot
[17:18] <jcastro> though we do say on the flyer to have juju installed and your favorite dev environment/text editor
[17:21] <mhall119> oh, ok
[17:22] <jcastro> when the local provider comes back
[17:22] <jcastro> we'll have to tell people to `juju init` or `juju download` or whatever the command will be
[17:22] <jcastro> to get the cloud image on there, etc.