=== Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [03:03] mhall119: the new dconf key is com.canonical.powerd activity-timeout, I posted it on g+ too === prassel is now known as prassel- === prassel- is now known as prassel_ === prassel_ is now known as prassel === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv [05:01] hi everyone, does anyone have an idea how much effort it takes to compile an app for ubuntu touch, which compiles out of the box for ubuntu desktop? can i simply follow the same procedure - install all the dev libraries, compiler etc. - on ubuntu touch and compile it, or am i missing something? the program i'd like to port / use on ubuntu touch is a navigation app named "Navit" ( http://www.navit-project.org/ ) [05:18] hi [05:19] can i flash ubuntu to samsung GT p3100? [05:19] is file availiable for the model samsung tab gt p3100? [06:53] good morning === psivaa is now known as psivaa_afk === Guest50742 is now known as j15h === rookin5197 is now known as rukin5197 === io is now known as IdleOne === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:15] So is Ubuntu Touch about to finally be here? === Yaakovi is now known as rosenzweig === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben [09:52] short question: is a real LOCK screen planned? pin, facedetection etc? [10:02] timp: i marked this bug as "opinion" but maybe it should be "wontfix" https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+bug/1088671 << i think right now there's no reason to spend time tryring to remove that warning. [10:03] Launchpad bug 1088671 in gallery-app "[sdk] "Ubuntu.Application is not installed" warning at startup" [Low,Opinion] [10:12] when booting GN into recovery mode i get this android thing on the back with a warning sign on top [10:12] and nothing happens [10:12] ogra_: ? [10:12] asac, no menu above ? [10:13] (any text below ?) [10:13] ogra_: well.. first i get the bootloader thing ... there i use volume to go to recover [10:13] hit the power button [10:13] it starts booting with google sign [10:13] now i get the droid lying on its back :) [10:13] ah [10:13] looks like you have a broken recovery mode then [10:13] i unlocked the4 fphone already [10:14] how is that? [10:14] we dont touch recovery ... must have been like that before [10:14] well.. [10:14] we have a recovery image that you can flash via fastboot [10:14] hmm [10:14] i have never touched anything like this here [10:14] e.g. its a pristine GN [10:14] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-recovery-armel+maguro.img [10:14] grab that [10:15] ok [10:15] so in that picture [10:15] i was able to ge ta menu [10:15] that asks me: [10:15] reboot system now [10:15] apply update from adb [10:15] boot into bootloader (teh part with the menu where you can select via vol up/dn) [10:15] wipe cache partition [10:15] etc. [10:15] then, on the PC: [10:15] (oh, and you need android-tools-fastboot installed) [10:15] one [10:15] sec [10:15] sudo fastboot flash recovery /path/to /img [10:16] now it tells me: now send the package you want to apply [10:16] to the device with "adb sideload filename" [10:16] then: sudo fastboot reboot recovery [10:16] guess thats a bad idea? [10:16] well, that should enable you to send a zip [10:16] yeah [10:16] i send our first zip [10:16] :) [10:16] i would still recommend flashing the ubuntu recovery though [10:17] but this mode is called "android system recovery" [10:17] so after first zip i have to reboot and directly go to recovery again, right? [10:18] ogra_: ? [10:19] right [10:19] to flash the second zip [10:19] it told e that installation was aborted btw [10:19] guess i will flash the rocvery [10:19] yeah [10:19] our approach is very weird [10:19] why cant we just ship the .img... and i can flash them :) [10:22] ogra_: the fastboot flash recovery finished with success [10:22] on device i dont see anything special.. it still is in the bootloasder [10:22] * asac boots to recovery now [10:22] that looks better :) [10:22] the droid has a spinning heart [10:22] you should see a violet bg with ubuntu logo [10:23] ogra_: i just flashed recovery for now [10:23] and a menu at the top [10:23] right, i'm talking about recovery [10:23] lets see... i think it picked up the .zip file :) [10:23] from the previopus attempt [10:23] nbow i have the bootloader [10:23] err [10:23] the menu [10:23] and the ubuntu stuff [10:24] now i can say insall zip fromsideload [10:24] let me try that again [10:25] ogra_: do i really need to reboot between applying the zip1 and zip2? [10:25] * asac tries to skip that [10:25] you should be ablet to sideload the second zip [10:25] yeah [10:25] doing both in one shot [10:26] ogra_: i dont get what the .img files are for in the download dir [10:26] can i just fastboot flash those instead of the zip juggling? [10:26] they are for convenience [10:27] yes, you can flash them [10:27] the armel zip contains system and boot by default [10:27] ogra_: so just the .img files would be enough ? [10:27] so if you flash that, it is the same as if fastboot flashing these two [10:27] no more zip crazyness? [10:27] intersting [10:27] why is that not our default to get started [10:27] on systems that support fastboot flashing, yes [10:28] but the ubuntu part is not in the .img [10:28] is it? [10:28] because about 60% of the phones out there dont have a fastboot mode [10:28] the ubuntu rootfs is in the armhf zip [10:28] all armel files are android ... [10:28] sure ... i want that directly in the .img ... [10:28] the armel zip contains boot and system by default [10:28] thats not possible? [10:29] the img files are for convenience for people that can use fastboot [10:29] wait [10:29] * ogra_ waits [10:29] i want the zip file IN the .img [10:29] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130526/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip [10:29] thats the wrong way round :) [10:29] that one [10:29] ... why isnt that in the .img [10:29] ? [10:29] i just want to flash four .img [10:29] and done [10:29] u know? [10:30] you could create one armhf img per device that would contain the system and boot img's [10:30] err [10:30] one armhf zip i mean [10:30] i want per device .img files [10:30] those should contain everything needed imo :_) [10:30] anyawy [10:30] so this deploying is now happening [10:30] but that would add 512M per device to cdimage [10:30] right [10:30] thats one reason to avoid that [10:30] which is a massive waste [10:30] but .... [10:30] :) [10:30] ultimately we have per device .iso anyway [10:31] and there is no reason to have any device specific bits in the rootfs [10:31] on cdimage ... for armel [10:31] at least in an way that requires such a singe zip setup [10:31] sure..;. its kind of the reinvention of the linaro hwpack+rootfs split :) [10:31] also the image based upgrades will use single img/zip files [10:31] just saying that if it was an old style ubuntu image [10:31] right [10:31] we would just ship on iso for each device [10:31] ... so there we just accept that pain :) [10:32] but here we try to be better [10:32] :)\ [10:32] anyway ... it looks promissing... still depploying [10:32] sure, we could do it in a single zip, but it would be a massive waste of cdimage space and massively add to the build time [10:32] i believe i have a phone soon!! [10:32] :) [10:33] how long does the deploy/unpack usually take? [10:33] more like 10 minutes? [10:33] once we have the toolcahin packaged we can offer to upgrade libhybris and the platform api from the ubuntu rootfs side [10:33] i think [10:33] its there [10:33] which means you will never ever have to update the android bits anymore [10:33] the menu whjere i can restart device came back [10:33] the armhf zip takes quite long [10:33] can i just reboot and it boots ubuntu now? [10:33] hmm, it shouldnt .... it should have rebooted automatically [10:34] well i used sideload [10:34] :) [10:34] is there any reaso why you dont use the flash tool btw ? [10:34] i have ubuntu phone [10:34] following the installl instructions [10:34] yes [10:34] thats all crap [10:34] :) [10:34] pfft [10:34] i wanted to do it the real way [10:34] no magic hidden in hacky scripts [10:35] well, the install wikipage has the manual instructions too :) [10:35] unplugging usb [10:35] killed the device [10:36] maybe an OS crash? [10:36] which image did you use ? [10:36] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130526/ [10:36] nerochiaro: ok, I think that Ubuntu.Application will be replaced anyway [10:36] raring should be totally fine if you didnt make a mess when flashing [10:37] that looks fine [10:37] nerochiaro: I don't think its an opinion, because the warning is really there ;) [10:37] ogra_: its working fine [10:37] ah, good [10:37] just after unplugging USB/power while it was running [10:37] it crashed [10:38] e.g. turned power off [10:38] nerochiaro: so its won't fix, or it will be fixed when there is proper communication between apps [10:38] had to reboot without cable [10:38] asac, probably a powerd bug [10:38] ogra_: oh ... the screen is off [10:38] and doesnt go on anymore [10:38] talk to ChickenCutlass tomorrow [10:38] the powerd stuff is WIP ... might still have some rough edges [10:38] timp: ok, won't fix it is [10:39] yeah [10:39] (especially charger related, we can only atttack that bit once we have the containers flipped [10:39] ) [10:39] guess it just shut down the phone after unpluggin [10:39] (needs initrd support) [10:42] ogra_: yeah i think there is something more fishy [10:42] isnt related to unplug [10:43] also on timeout [10:43] [i get black screen with no way to turn it on [10:43] can still talk to it through adb [10:43] hmm, pressing power should turn it on again [10:43] i cant tell much about raring though ... havent used it in two weeks [10:43] i know it is supposed to work though [10:44] doesnt do it :) [10:44] ogra_: where is the ubuntu system here? [10:44] in which directory? [10:45] /data/ubuntu [10:45] you can use ubuntu_chroot to enter it (as described in the release notes from the topic) [10:46] dont forget to mount /proc (and to unmount it when leaving the container) [10:46] tmoenicke: ping [10:49] ogra_: if you dont unmount what happens ? :) [10:49] mtab keeps a bogus entry [10:50] ok i am getting there :) [10:52] oh i am not even root [10:52] ogra_: i am not root [10:53] i am shell and cant chroot :) [10:53] log out [10:53] adb root [10:53] adb shell [10:53] that should give you a root shell then [10:54] :) [10:58] ogra_: where is the powerd code? why is htat not lnked from apt-cache show powerd? [10:58] https://code.launchpad.net/powerd [10:59] well, its a pretty obvious place :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:06] tmoenicke: i'm getting some trouble with the binary you sent me. can you please ping me when you're around ? [11:09] ogra_: i have a patch for powerd [11:09] how can i try it? [11:09] :) [11:09] can i cross compile this stuff with reasonable effort? [11:09] or do i need to get my panda and boot a full ubuntu with toolchain? [11:13] asac, build it locally :) [11:13] you can compile stuff just fine inside the rootfs [11:16] grmpf [11:17] let me check something [11:18] ogra_: oh ... i need network access for that [11:21] asac, so ? [11:21] set it up then [11:21] * ogra_ points to phablet-network-setup [11:21] ;) [11:21] just run it on the host PC [11:21] ogra_: i have no screen :) [11:21] oh [11:21] ;) [11:21] * asac goes back to instructions [11:22] its not mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install :) ... so i dont feel so bad [11:22] phablet-tools pulls in java-common [11:23] it worked :) [11:23] magic [11:23] really like magic [11:25] :) [11:26] lol. said the former NM maintainer ... [11:26] (it only copies the NM wlan config from the host) [11:26] yeah saw that [11:26] i anm still convinced that the development approach on my GN isn't really smart :) [11:27] * asac waits for wookey to come back and teach me cross [11:28] asac, just use a chroot created with qemu-debootstrap (from qemu-user-static) [11:28] thats the quickes approach imho [11:28] there are also sbuild and pbuilder ways to cross build [11:30] well... i want to have real cross buidl... i can go to chroot yes [11:30] multiarch :) [11:31] hmm. how annoying that we still have armhf on ports [11:31] well, as you like [11:31] yeah [11:31] but moving to archive.u.c wont happen [11:31] slangasek brought it up recently with IS and i think it was turned down once again [11:32] in the light of image based updates and click packages it shouldnt matter much anymore though [11:32] we only need ports to roll the images then [11:37] what reasons are given for turning down? [11:37] do you recall? [11:37] nerochiaro: pong === tvoss is now known as tvoss|lunch [11:37] asac, archive size and mirror complaints [11:38] (the usual reasons since years) [11:42] tmoenicke: i'm trying to use your library but it seems to reset the phone quite often [11:44] tmoenicke: other than that it does seem to fix the issue about keyboard reappearing, but it has another problem that i am trying to verify: the focus doesn't seem to go away from the textarea so i can't focus it back yet. If it stops crashing I'll give you more info [11:44] nerochiaro: does it reset the shell or reboot the phone? [11:46] tmoenicke: the screen goes black and after a while the phone shuts down (not reboot in fact) [11:46] tmoenicke: i'm running on the latest image downloaded this morning [11:47] thats very odd, i wonder if there is maybe a version issue. i dont see how it would be related to anything like that [11:47] nerochiaro: when you put back the original binary, it works fine again? [11:48] tmoenicke: embarassingly i overwrote the old one so i don' t have it anymore [11:49] nerochiaro: I'm flashing my phone to see .. [11:49] tmoenicke: thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === mzanetti is now known as mzanetti|lunch [12:19] nerochiaro, actually, I seem to have a similar issue with image 138: the screen goes black at some point and never recovers again. Even after reboot it stays black now [12:19] has anyone got any pointers to debug what's going on? === tvoss|lunch is now known as tvoss [12:20] dpm: here it goes blank but if i press the power button it turns back on. and i don't seem to be getting these crashers anymore [12:20] tmoenicke: ^ [12:20] tmoenicke: so now i can investigate what's up with the focus [12:21] tmoenicke: in the code you added to the binary you sent me, when removing the focus does it try to remove it to the parents too ? [12:22] In my case pressing the power button doesn't seem to have any effect: the screen stays black. I can use adb fine, though. The only thing I did to that image other than using stock was to set /etc/timezone and /etc/default/locale to change the time and locale === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:26] ogra_, ping [12:28] tvoss, hey [12:28] ogra_, cancel that ping :) [12:29] :) === mzanetti|lunch is now known as mzanetti === ds500ss_ is now known as ds500ss === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben === Hopkins is now known as hopkinskong_wind === hopkinskong_wind is now known as hopkinskong_w8 === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [13:21] zsombi, timp: hey there... [13:21] zsombi, timp: I'm wondering how I can make the Label-element always/only display the last 10 lines of text... [13:22] zsombi, timp: at the moment I'm using... wrapMode: Text.WordWrap; maximumLineCount: 10; elide: Text.ElideLeft [13:23] zsombi, timp: but that does no longer update the Label as I intend, if the passed in string exceeds 10 lines of text. [13:23] zsombi, timp: what's needed to get the behaviour I intend? Is that possible at all? [13:24] MacSlow: at the first glace that should do the job, but if it doesn't update, then there might be a bug in Text [13:25] zsombi, I'll try with the plain Text-element and see if that yields the intended behaviour... I'll get back to you after I tried this. [13:26] MacSlow: Label has not much extra to Text, so 90% I'm sure it will work the same way [13:26] zsombi, ok [13:27] tmoenicke: in the code you added to the binary you sent me, when removing the focus does it try to remove it to the parents too ? [13:27] MacSlow but worth trying [13:28] MacSlow btw, ubuntu-app-devel channel is the one where UITK/SDK is handled [13:28] nerochiaro: i would think so, as scope is the root item [13:36] nerochiaro: it works here [13:36] just flashed and tried [13:43] nerochiaro: https://files.one.ubuntu.com/rct26jCUTwqwdP9sHwT63w [13:43] nerochiaro: just for the case smth went wrong [13:48] tmoenicke: it works in the sense that the keyboard does not bounce back. but i'm seeing this happening: the focus gets removed from one of the parents as well when i hide the keyboard [13:49] nerochiaro: isnt this the desired behavior? [13:52] tmoenicke: it should remove focus and active focus from the text itself i think === francisco is now known as Guest85729 === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:15] Saviq, searching for the qml api guidelines, got a link for me? [14:24] tmoenicke: the code to debug focus up the tree is really simple: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5706936/ [14:25] tmoenicke: but you will not need it if your binary works [14:25] nerochiaro: cool thx [14:29] Hi! Does anyone know if there's a road map with existing apps/features that are now stable? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:30] mardy: ping === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [14:53] rsalveti: why is HUD still broken? [14:54] I thought a new libHUD was all that was needed [14:54] mhall119: not so sure yet, sergiusens might know more [14:57] mhall119: rsalveti not sure, but I logged a bug last Thursday #1183520 [14:57] bug #1183520 [14:57] bug 1183520 in touch-preview-images "No hud actions for gallery" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183520 [14:58] specific to gallery, as it's the only thing I knew that had actions [14:58] but I'm not really familiar with the hud to be more verbose [14:59] HUD also lost the ability to close apps [14:59] is that a bug, or a new design? [15:00] sergiusens: powerd is indeed a bit broken [15:00] it also lost the list of icons at the top for switching between other open apps/indicators [15:01] sergiusens: most of the times I need to press the power button at least twice for it to be resumed [15:01] mhall119: close apps I mentioned was explicitly listed in achangelog [15:01] tsdgeos: ^^ [15:01] that's per design [15:01] both are per design [15:02] is there going to be some new way added to make closing an app easy again? [15:02] mhall119: the one in the dash? [15:02] yeah [15:02] mhall119: press and hold in the dash? [15:02] you mean besides that one? [15:02] sergiusens: that's significantly more difficult [15:02] that one is there for a few releases already [15:02] mhall119: talk to design [15:02] :D [15:02] 1) open dash 2) press close [15:03] now becomes 1) go to apps lens 2) long-press to enable closing 3) close the app 4) long-press to disable closing [15:03] when it works right [15:03] usually when I close an app that way, it switches focus to another open app, and I have to repeat steps 1 & 2 again to disable closing mode [15:04] tsdgeos: who in design in particular was involved in this? [15:04] mhall119, after the power management is in place, you won't need to close apps very often [15:04] when they are in the background they won't be able to do anything in most cases [15:04] mhall119: talk to Oren, he's the HUD man [15:04] except take of space on my dash [15:04] and make my OCD act up [15:04] thanks tsdgeos [15:05] mhall119: there's a bug for the close app thing going to an application [15:06] mhall119: bug #1178288 [15:06] bug 1178288 in touch-preview-images "Closing application in dash causes focus on another application" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1178288 === greyback is now known as greyback|food [15:06] thanks sergiusens === tvoss is now known as tvoss|test === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss [15:33] hello i was looking for some help.. I am installing ubuntu touch on my nexus 10 did all steps right till downloading sources etc... finally its getting stuck on [15:33] please note my device is already unlocked [15:34] hi [15:35] have installed ubuntu touch in samsung galaxy tab 2 p3100 [15:35] a problem no 3g no gsm -.- [15:40] cri, 3g isnt working yet [15:41] ogra_: :( [15:41] it is being worked on [15:42] long time? [15:43] well, for the nexus devices it should be ready by end of the week [15:43] not sure how much work it will be for the porters to make it work on the ported devices [15:43] ... [15:43] most didnt even get GSM working yet i guess [15:45] hopefully soon also for devices samsung [15:45] up to the porters [15:45] tmoenicke: any news on that new binary ? [15:46] yep it doesnt work when I set only one item [15:46] nerochiaro: ^ [15:47] tmoenicke: in what sense it doesn't work ? the keyboard bounces back ? [15:47] yes [15:49] tmoenicke: i'm trying to make some code that will work even if the focus is removed through all the tree [15:50] tmoenicke: or part of it as it is now. but i don't understand why it bounce back if focus is removed only from one item [15:50] guess it doesnt really remove the focus when I give just the same item as arguments [15:51] tmoenicke: to remove the focus to the entire tree, how do you do it ? [15:51] nerochiaro: clearFocusInScope(scope, focusItem) [15:52] tmoenicke: and clearFocusInScope was already defined or is it something you wrote ? [15:53] nerochiaro: its defined in qquickwindowprivate [15:54] nerochiaro: http://code.woboq.org/qt5/qtdeclarative/src/quick/items/qquickwindow.cpp.html#_ZN19QQuickWindowPrivate17clearFocusInScopeEP10QQuickItemS1_N2Qt11FocusReasonE6QFlagsINS_11FocusOptionEE [15:54] tmoenicke: ah yes, i remember that [15:55] tmoenicke: i'm going to so some more tests, but if that function is not working properly I think we should just give up and use forceActiveFocus and be one with it [15:56] nerochiaro: so it is a problem when it removes focus from the entire tree? [15:58] tmoenicke: well, if it does remove it from the entire tree then to give focus back we need to give focus back to the entire tree, which is essentially what forceActiveFocus does [16:06] tmoenicke: ideally we should find a way to make it work just by removing focus on the current element (the text area) [16:08] nerochiaro: letme try [16:08] tmoenicke: without your binary what is happening now is that you remove activeFocus but focus stays on the text. if we could remove both i think our problem will be solved === greyback|food is now known as greyback === prasannatsm_ is now known as prasannatsm [16:16] tsdgeos: ping [16:20] mhall119: hiho [16:21] Oranger: ping [16:22] is there a simulator for ubuntu phone? [16:22] only qmlscene in the sdk to test apps [16:23] nothing that emulates hardware yet [16:24] oh. having a emulater will help see how the os works. [16:26] mhall119: pong [16:28] prasannatsm, having some spare developer time will help to build one :) [16:29] based on the porting guide? [16:29]