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Squirmmorning05:39
trenderyo mornin05:41
trenderhi05:57
Kilosmorning all07:00
Kiloshi drussell Vince-0 07:44
Kiloshi Georgl 08:17
Georglmorning08:17
Georglmorning Kilos08:18
magespawnhowdy all08:27
Kiloshi magespawn 08:28
magespawnhey Kilos08:28
magespawnthat was just the quassel over the weekend08:29
Kilosmagespawn, had wonderful download last night. 808m iso in 45 mins08:29
Kilosquassel forgot to go into away mode08:30
Kilospeaked at 469 kB/s08:30
Kilosused the transmission thing08:31
magespawni got cut off and could not reconnect all weekend08:36
magespawnnice download speed08:36
Kilosyeah what a diffs08:36
Kilosthe pro even came here last night and set the topics08:37
Kilosand the fly said he would be in tekwini on the 2nd08:37
Kilosoh you read logs hey08:37
inetprogood mornings everyone 08:42
inetprooh and good morning Kilos08:42
Kilosyoohooo hiya inetpro 08:42
Kiloshi psyatw 08:43
psyatwhi Kilos08:43
psyatwhi inetpro08:43
ThatGraemeGuymorning peoples08:46
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 08:47
magespawnhi psyatw inetpro ThatGraemeGuy08:47
psyatwhi magespawn08:48
psyatwhi ThatGraemeGuy08:48
Vince-0haai Kilos 08:57
Kiloshi Vince-0 08:57
Kilosoh i waqnna ask you okes a question. the crunchbang iso i got is i486 and i always used i386 iso's08:58
Kiloswill it work08:58
ThatGraemeGuyunless you want to run it on an actual 386, yeah it'll work08:59
Vince-0yep08:59
Vince-0I chatted with kbmonkey and nuvolari yesterday about Ubuntu hour here08:59
Kiloscool ty08:59
Kilosi dunno what them things actually want inna pc09:00
Kiloswhat they say Vince-0 ?09:00
Kilos2nd of june09:00
Superhumani386 is optimized for 386 and above processors, i486 is for 486 processors and above. So unless you bought your current pc in 1842 (+- 1996 in real world), it should work09:01
Kilosoh this one shows i686 somewhere09:02
charl_good morning09:02
Kiloshi charl_ Superhuman 09:02
charl_Maaz: coffee on09:02
Superhumanhi09:03
* Maaz washes some mugs09:03
charl_Kilos: i ran badblocks yesterday on the drive and it returned no errors09:03
charl_Kilos: it seems like the firmware is borked09:03
Kilosthen it must be the firmware09:03
Kilosget an upgrade patch09:03
charl_yeah09:03
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_!09:07
SuperhumanKilos: The rule-of-thumb is that anything below i686 is for 32 bit systems.09:07
charl_darn, no available firmware updates either :(09:09
charl_Maaz: thanks09:09
Maazcharl_: No problem09:09
Kilosah ty Superhuman 09:09
Kiloscharl_, then contact the manufacturer or where you get them, im sure theyll replace it09:11
Vince-0Kilos, planning here is a bit short - nuvolari has been ill09:12
Vince-0I would have liked to get a bunch of merch, an install lab and some publicity but there isn't a plan for a stall anywhere. Ideally in a mall09:13
Kilosoh my, then you guys gotta rush, fly will be there the second09:13
Kilosmaybe just a get together09:13
Vince-0yar09:13
Kilosis nuvolari ok?09:16
Kilostoo sick to work a keyboard09:17
Vince-0ya he's OK09:22
Vince-0flu09:22
Kilosai!09:23
magespawnahh young people, live unhealthy and then get sick, hey Kilos?09:43
Kilosyeah the kids of today09:43
Kiloshehe09:43
magespawnlol09:44
magespawni was just having a look back, in the last ten years i have had 2 days off sick09:44
Kilosgood09:44
Kilosbut doing the game thing is like a holiday09:45
Kilosand playing with pc's too09:45
magespawnahh well then, i have the perfect way of earning an income09:46
Kilosyeah09:46
Kilostry mixing concrete and laying bricks all day09:47
Kilosby hand i mean not with mixers09:47
magespawnmm different kind of work09:49
Kilosyeah thats hard work. sleep like a baby at night09:49
magespawndriving and entertaining people for 6 hours can drain you as well09:49
Kilosmentally09:49
magespawndriving a 20 year old cruiser with no power anything, physically too some days09:50
magespawni did work for fattis&monis first year out of school, i do not think i have slept like that before or since09:53
Kiloslol09:53
Kilosyeah noobs get pushed to the limits09:53
Kilossame as with appies09:54
magespawnappies or gopher09:54
Kilosya09:54
magespawnbeing told to go and fetch a left handed screw driver09:55
Kiloshahaha09:55
magespawnor a soft hammer09:55
Kilosand long wait09:55
magespawnyup, those are usually found in the corner of the workshop09:56
Kiloslol09:56
Kilosi wonder what the geek route is09:57
magespawnnot too sure09:57
magespawnbeing told to use sneaker net, or carrier pigeon over ip09:58
Kiloslol09:58
Kilossome of these guys here musta been the route09:59
magespawnindeed10:00
magespawngoing to be setting up a ubuntu server with school tool for my sons primary school10:00
magespawnhttp://schooltool.org/10:00
Kiloslemme go see10:01
Kilosnice10:03
Kilosthats where ubuntu has to start taking over10:03
Kiloskids are the future10:03
Kilosthey actually cleverer than us till they hit 2010:04
magespawnin some ways yes, and a lot more open than most adults to new things and ideas10:05
Kilosya not died in the wool like oldies10:06
magespawndyed maybe?10:07
charl_hi magespawn 10:08
Kilosoh ya that ty10:08
magespawnhey charl_10:08
magespawni was thinking of adding an ownCloud install as well10:09
Kilosthey got a big server?10:11
magespawnno not really, but this would only be for school stuff, not personal photos etc10:13
Kilosa pc as a server or a proper server10:14
magespawni will do the schooltool first and see how it handles the load10:14
magespawna pc as a server 10:14
Kilosah10:14
Kiloswireless or cabled?10:14
magespawnbut is a pentium dual core 2.7Ghz with a gig of ram, cabled intially, till the rest of the network is put in place10:15
magespawnwe are going to try a pc in every clas for the teachers to work from10:16
Kiloswith more ram it should handle everything fine10:16
Kilosah10:16
magespawnthey would also be able to use their laptops if they have10:16
Kilosdont primary school kids carry lappies yet10:16
magespawni can 'steal' ram from one of the other machines if i need too10:16
magespawnno not the kids, the teachers10:17
Kilosthey using win hey?10:17
magespawnyes10:17
magespawnschooltool is web based though.10:17
Kilosi been playing. got 7 to share 3g here over direct ethernet cable10:18
magespawncool beans10:18
Kiloshmm...10:18
Kilosdidnt have to go the iptables and masquerade route10:19
Kilosfind that bing thing is fast too10:19
Georglis there going to be a LTS version for 13.xx?10:19
Kilosfaster than google anyway10:19
Kilosno10:20
Kilos14.04 next one Georgl 10:20
Georglok. thanks Kilos10:20
Kilosnp10:20
Georglso now do i wait or????10:20
magespawnis 13.04 not LTS?10:20
Georglnot that i am aware...10:21
Kilosyou can play with the in between releases10:21
magespawnthey are supporting 12.04 till april 201710:21
Kilosnope every 2 years only10:21
* Georgl goes to lewk10:21
Georglah thanks10:21
Kilos12.04 is good10:21
magespawnthe LTS is only 9 months from now on, i think10:21
Kilosoh my10:22
magespawnwith rolling releases in between10:22
magespawnso no more xx.10 versions10:22
Kilosno more 5 years for servers and 3 for the rest?10:22
Kilosi want long support for 12.04 man10:22
magespawnthat is what i think yes, still not 100% on that myself10:23
magespawn12.04 is the last one to get the long support10:23
magespawnhold10:23
magespawnon'10:23
Kilosthey surely not gonna cut server support time10:23
magespawnhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases10:24
Kilosoh magespawn someone asked here about putting a gui on a server10:24
Kilosforget who10:24
magespawnNormal Ubuntu releases are supported for 9 months. LTS releases are supported for 5 years.10:25
Kilosya thats still good10:25
magespawnthat is from the link10:25
Kilosi can stretch 12.04 till i get a faster pc10:26
magespawnwhy would you want to do that? did they say? i was talking about having a gui installed so that you could do either if you wanted10:26
Kilosthere was a reason10:26
Kiloshe wanted a minimal gui i think10:27
Kilosbut  didnt wanna go the ubuntu minimal install route10:27
Kiloshi adeebnqo 10:27
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za10:27
Kilosah it was charl_ 10:33
magespawncharl_: you still around?10:42
Kilos<charl_> what happened to xdm on ubuntu 13.0410:45
Kilosthats how it started at 12.58, dunno yesterday or day before10:45
Kiloshi Xethron 10:45
charl_hi magespawn 11:33
charl_was just out on lunch but am back now11:33
charl_i just tried debian 7 and the xdm package didn't even exist11:34
charl_there was a replacement though11:34
charl_ended up installing that and it worked fine but then installed tint2 and couldn't get that to work either11:35
charl_debian also didn't configure my apt sources.list correctly, first had to change it by hand11:35
charl_am not impressed :(11:35
magespawnhave no tried it yet, do think that is normal?11:44
charl_what is?11:45
magespawnall that hassel. i have no experience of debian directly11:46
charl_dunno i had a different experience with debian 6 but ok, the world moves on :)11:47
magespawnindeed11:47
Kiloslol charl_  install your server then install mate on it11:51
Kilosmate is light11:51
charl_i'll rather do cinnamon actually11:52
charl_i am surprised at how much traction debian seems to have lost to ubuntu and mint11:52
charl_it looks like debian has moved into obscurity11:52
magespawnany idea why?11:53
charl_there was a lot of dissatisfaction about debian regarding outdated/poorly maintained packages11:55
charl_they also have a very strict policy about binary drivers11:55
charl_as a result it took some "work" to get a new installation up and running perfectly11:56
charl_and maybe because they were very conservative and too careful to try new things11:56
charl_only debian users i know now are hard core fans11:56
magespawnso a bit more like 'traditional linux', not so easy for every one11:57
charl_you could say that11:57
charl_don't get me wrong, at the time i thought it was the all-round best distro by far11:57
charl_but they just seemed to have fallen behind11:57
magespawnubuntu is based on it 11:58
charl_yeah i know, you get "debian-based" distros just like you get redhat-based11:58
charl_ubuntu/mint are now the most well known11:58
charl_i was also a bit surprised to see mint has now topped ubuntu on http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major11:59
charl_but let's face it, a lot of people just don't like unity11:59
charl_and the initial versions were rather buggy and painful to use11:59
Kilosmint makes a lekker sauce to put on muttom chops11:59
charl_indeed, mint sauce is delicious12:00
charl_good in tea too12:00
Kilosya and helps for heartburn12:00
magespawnand makes the breath smell minty12:00
Kiloslol12:01
magespawni lwould like to try them all if i can, but each install takes time, and i do have to work some of the time12:03
magespawnand sleep etc12:04
Kiloslol12:04
Kilosim gonna try crunchbang soon12:04
charl_i've taken it for a ride the other day, looks really good12:05
charl_i am not happy that there are no download mirrors for it though12:06
Kilosoh is it12:06
charl_i had to fetch it via bittorrent12:06
Kilosso where you get apps then12:06
charl_based on debian7 so standard debian packages12:06
Kilosoh ya but that was lekker fast here12:06
charl_it uses the openbox wm which i happen to like12:06
charl_bittorrent is a great distribution medium but when you have slow internet or when they shape bittorrent traffic down, it's not good12:07
Kilosdoes it use apt-get as well or only aptitude12:07
charl_i'm sure it supports apt-get and aptitude just like debian12:07
charl_at work i managed to download it at like 60MBps though because we have gigabit ethernet and no shaping12:08
Kilosbut with no repos where does it wanna get from?12:08
charl_but afaik in african countries like south africa they "shape" traffic (down-prioritise certain protocols)12:08
charl_no the repos are standard debian repositories12:09
charl_i'm talking about downloading the iso12:09
Kilosmine was 10 times faster than getting a ubuntu iso12:10
charl_over bittorrent?12:13
Kilosya12:13
charl_interesting12:13
Kilosgot crunch in 45 mins12:13
charl_yeah i have to say, i got a really fast download too12:13
charl_well there you have it, the road forwards, distribute everything via bittorrent :)12:14
SquirmI use bittorrent for things like that12:14
charl_Squirm: you use tint2 right?12:16
charl_i couldn't get it running on debian now12:17
charl_on ubuntu it runs fine without any parameters12:17
charl_on debian it looked like it wanted me to specify a configuration file12:18
charl_was it you or was it somebody else, not sure now12:18
Kiloshi publicus14 12:54
charl_Kilos: i found the problem with my hard drive12:57
charl_Kilos: the values are not incorrect, they are used for other things (seems to be a typical seagate problem)12:57
charl_http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/HDD/Seagate_SER_RRER_HEC.html12:58
charl_via: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/289512-32-high-smart-values-seagate-normal12:58
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Kilosah13:01
charl_ciao13:30
magespawnDebian only releases every two years, that seems to be the opposite of what every one else is doing14:08
Kilosyou dont think we also gonna end up like that?14:09
Kilosjust lts releases14:09
Kiloswbb. gonna check if i can install the bang thing from stick14:12
magespawnno do think so14:14
magespawnnot14:15
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magespawnhome time 14:31
magespawnlater all14:31
Squirmevening16:18
trenderso what has happened to kilos ?16:19
trenderhe choked on a bad distro ?16:19
Squirmyou see the mybb post16:20
Squirm"If you think pushing 1TB per month on your 10Mbps uncapped ADSL account is bad, think again!"16:20
Squirmn Internet user in California using a 300Mbps Bonded Verizon FiOS connection has been warned by his service provider after consuming 77TB in March 2013.16:20
SquirmThe user, who calls himself “houkouonchi”, explained that he hosts a server rack at his house with 209TB of storage. He offers a range of services, including video streaming and P2P file sharing.16:20
SquirmHis bandwidth usage over the last few months has been 35TB in January, 32TB in February, 77TB in March, and 28TB in April.16:20
trenderthose okes should be told they need a "big mac" business account16:22
trenderokes like that screw it up for everyone im sure16:23
* Squirm shrugs16:24
SquirmIf I had that speed I might do the same16:24
trenderyea ditto16:24
trenderwhy dont they just cap16:25
Squirmcause they don't need to yet16:25
Squirmobviously16:25
trenderseems a little silly to give a warning16:25
trenderi know for 1 i dont want to hear from my isp16:26
trenderi cant be bothered16:26
trender300Mbps is hectic speed16:27
trenderis this fibre ?16:27
trenderi dont think copper can do more then 40Mbps16:28
Squirm"Verizon FiOS is a bundled Internet access, telephone, and television service which operates over a fiber-optic communications network."16:28
SquirmJapan has hit 2GBps download speed, 1GBps upload speed16:28
trenderuhuh16:28
Squirmthrough a type of bonded fibre16:28
trendereish!!16:29
trenderthats hectic!!16:29
Squirmat $50 per month16:29
Cantideyeah, my brother says his 50 Mbps connection in Japan costs him about the same as 3 burgers16:30
CantideSA sucks -.-v16:30
SquirmGoogle has been rolling out Gigabit fibre in the states16:30
SquirmTelkoms uncapped VDSL bundle16:32
Squirmis at R2840pm16:32
Squirmand that's 40MBps16:32
Cantidehahaha16:32
Cantideyeah16:32
CantideSK is also upping their game16:33
SquirmWhat is this Plan ideally suited for?16:33
SquirmRetrieving email16:33
SquirmSurfing the internet16:33
Squirmthose are 2 options16:34
SquirmTelkom lists16:34
Squirmfor their 40Mbit line16:34
Cantidelol16:36
Squirmlack of sleep and a little hyped on caffeine. please excuse me :P16:37
Squirmand it's time to study some more I guess16:37
Cantidehttp://cdn-s3-1.wanelo.com/product/image/2585583/original.jpg16:41
Squirmbrilliant16:42
Squirmthough I have my RHCE exam on Friday :/16:42
Kiloshmm...16:42
Squirmhi Kilos 16:42
Kilosi see my modem prob stems from debian16:43
Kiloshi Squirm 16:43
Kiloscrunchbang also dont see the modem16:43
CantideRHCE? Red Hat Certification Exam?16:43
SquirmCantide: indeed16:43
Squirmoh16:43
Squirmno16:43
Cantidenice16:43
Cantideoh16:43
Cantidei guessed it -.-16:43
SquirmRed Hat Certified Engineer16:43
Cantideah16:43
Cantidei was close!16:43
Squirmfirst level is Red Hat Certified System Administrator(RHCSA), then you can get your RHCE16:44
Squirmand that's why you use abbreviations :P16:44
Cantide:p16:45
Kilosand only 2 workspaces16:45
Kilossigh16:45
SquirmKilos: should be easy to change that16:45
Squirmright click on the workspace switcher16:45
Kilosit open a long list of things16:46
SquirmPreferences?16:46
Kilosnope16:47
Squirmhaven't used Crunchbang, but it should be possible16:49
Kilosill mail the monkey tomorrow16:49
Kilosand also installing sakis3g has to be done fifferently16:50
Kilosdifferently16:50
Kiloscant tight click extract here16:50
Kilosso using fone at the moment16:51
Kilosat least it has synaptic in and xchat and pidgin16:53
Squirmhmm16:54
Squirmjust try and double click on the sakis3g package?16:54
Kilosit opens  a window open with16:54
Squirmselect the contects and drag it into a folder/onto your desktop?16:55
Kilosthats another thing cant drag from stick to desktop16:55
Kiloshehe16:55
Kiloslots to learn16:55
Squirmand in that time, CentOS on my netbook16:56
Kilosah thats what nuvolari uses at work16:57
SquirmIt's a rebranded Red Hat16:57
SquirmI'd only use it as a server though16:57
Kilosya thats what he does16:57
Kilosalso no sound here in xchat16:58
Kilosmaybe i need a reboot after upgrading16:58
Squirmna16:59
Squirmwell, should only need to restart on kernel upgrade17:00
Kilosmust be17:00
Kilosits the first update/upgrade17:00
Kilosya it did linux stuff too17:00
Squirmit's all linux stuff ;)17:01
Kiloslol i mean the headers etc17:01
Kilosit is xfce i hope17:03
Kilosinstalling xfce-extras17:03
Kilosi remember the monkey also had 3g probs17:08
Kiloswbb17:17
Kiloshmm...17:28
Squirm...mmh17:28
Kiloslol17:29
Kilosback on unity17:29
Kilosi forgot xchat sound need work on xfce things17:29
magespawngood evening17:31
Squirmhi magespawn 17:31
magespawnhey Squirm 17:31
magespawnare you taking any courses for the exam? i forget17:32
Kilosyo magespawn 17:33
magespawnhey Kilos 17:33
Squirmmagespawn: did the one I needed at the end of Jan17:35
Squirmit's a bit long ago17:35
magespawnif you have been practising/using the skills it should be okay17:36
SquirmI know17:39
Squirmbut there lies the issue17:39
Squirmmy current job doesn't exactly allow me to practice such skills17:39
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Squirmand I should be practicing such skills now. but can't concentrate :/17:40
Kiloslo Trixar_za 17:40
Squirmeek17:40
* Squirm kicks Trixar_za 17:40
Trixar_zalo Kilos17:40
* Squirm hides behind Kilos 17:40
Kiloslol17:40
SquirmTrixar_za: I completely forgot Trudi Canavan had more books to write. I was happy to find out I have 2 new books :D17:41
Squirmwell, half a book now, but it was 217:41
Trixar_zalol17:41
Trixar_zaThe Glass Blower series?17:42
Squirmno17:42
SquirmBlack Magician Trilogy17:42
Squirmwell, the trilogy after that17:42
Trixar_zaOh right, her :P17:42
Trixar_zaCould never get into those books17:42
Trixar_zaBut you did remind me of a trilogy I haven't read yet17:42
SquirmI still preferred the first 1 or 2 books. They focused on the magic aspect. Now it's a lot of politics17:43
SquirmTrixar_za: have you read The Gate Thief yet?17:44
Trixar_zaNot yet no17:46
Trixar_zaStill have to find a proper mobi reader for my phone17:46
SquirmTrixar_za: have you tried epub?17:47
Squirmand you get free services like these17:48
Squirmhttp://www.2epub.com/17:48
smile4everHi :)17:48
Squirmhey smile4ever 17:48
Trixar_zaStill have to find a proper epub reader too :P17:49
smile4everHi Squirm. Big hug for you :)17:49
smile4everTrixar_za: have you tried out calibre? :P17:49
Squirmhmm17:49
Squirmand what have I done to earn such a thing17:49
smile4everI think they support epub17:49
smile4everor else try Sumatra PDF17:49
smile4ever:)17:49
Squirmsmile4ever: for a Nokia cell17:49
smile4everSquirm: oh :(17:49
KilosTrixar_za, give me you link for sakis3g please17:50
Kiloscrunchbang dont see my modem either17:50
Trixar_zahttp://trixarian.net/sakis3g.gz ?17:51
Trixar_zaI think17:51
Trixar_za:P17:51
Kilosty17:51
Squirmso my netbook17:57
Squirm(not charging)17:57
Squirmjust said it was charging17:57
Squirmnow it's saying it's not charging and it has 5hours of life in 4.2% of battery17:57
Squirm...17:57
Kilosai!18:02
magespawnSquirm: thats not too bad then hey18:05
Squirmlol18:06
SquirmI think it's broken :P18:06
Symmetriahttp://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-18/node/40518:12
magespawnSymmetria: before i click that, what is it?18:14
Symmetriaheh, my board nomination18:15
Symmetriafor afrinic18:15
Symmetria;p18:15
magespawnahh right cool18:16
Squirmnice one18:18
magespawnfriends ex works/ed for them as CTO, i think, so be nice18:20
smile4everGood night! :)18:32
Kilosnight smile4ever 18:32
Kilossleep tight18:32
Cantidenight night '-'/18:33
smile4everthanks :)18:33
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Cantidegood night :p18:40
magespawnnight all19:01
Kilosnight magespawn 19:01
Kilossleep tight19:01
Kilosnight all sleep tight20:03
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