[05:39] morning [05:41] yo mornin [05:57] hi [07:00] morning all [07:44] hi drussell Vince-0 [08:17] hi Georgl [08:17] morning [08:18] morning Kilos [08:27] howdy all [08:28] hi magespawn [08:28] hey Kilos [08:29] that was just the quassel over the weekend [08:29] magespawn, had wonderful download last night. 808m iso in 45 mins [08:30] quassel forgot to go into away mode [08:30] peaked at 469 kB/s [08:31] used the transmission thing [08:36] i got cut off and could not reconnect all weekend [08:36] nice download speed [08:36] yeah what a diffs [08:37] the pro even came here last night and set the topics [08:37] and the fly said he would be in tekwini on the 2nd [08:37] oh you read logs hey [08:42] good mornings everyone [08:42] oh and good morning Kilos [08:42] yoohooo hiya inetpro [08:43] hi psyatw [08:43] hi Kilos [08:43] hi inetpro [08:46] morning peoples [08:47] hi ThatGraemeGuy [08:47] hi psyatw inetpro ThatGraemeGuy [08:48] hi magespawn [08:48] hi ThatGraemeGuy [08:57] haai Kilos [08:57] hi Vince-0 [08:58] oh i waqnna ask you okes a question. the crunchbang iso i got is i486 and i always used i386 iso's [08:58] will it work [08:59] unless you want to run it on an actual 386, yeah it'll work [08:59] yep [08:59] I chatted with kbmonkey and nuvolari yesterday about Ubuntu hour here [08:59] cool ty [09:00] i dunno what them things actually want inna pc [09:00] what they say Vince-0 ? [09:00] 2nd of june [09:01] i386 is optimized for 386 and above processors, i486 is for 486 processors and above. So unless you bought your current pc in 1842 (+- 1996 in real world), it should work [09:02] oh this one shows i686 somewhere [09:02] good morning [09:02] hi charl_ Superhuman [09:02] Maaz: coffee on [09:03] hi [09:03] * Maaz washes some mugs [09:03] Kilos: i ran badblocks yesterday on the drive and it returned no errors [09:03] Kilos: it seems like the firmware is borked [09:03] then it must be the firmware [09:03] get an upgrade patch [09:03] yeah [09:07] Coffee's ready for charl_! [09:07] Kilos: The rule-of-thumb is that anything below i686 is for 32 bit systems. [09:09] darn, no available firmware updates either :( [09:09] Maaz: thanks [09:09] charl_: No problem [09:09] ah ty Superhuman [09:11] charl_, then contact the manufacturer or where you get them, im sure theyll replace it [09:12] Kilos, planning here is a bit short - nuvolari has been ill [09:13] I would have liked to get a bunch of merch, an install lab and some publicity but there isn't a plan for a stall anywhere. Ideally in a mall [09:13] oh my, then you guys gotta rush, fly will be there the second [09:13] maybe just a get together [09:13] yar [09:16] is nuvolari ok? [09:17] too sick to work a keyboard [09:22] ya he's OK [09:22] flu [09:23] ai! [09:43] ahh young people, live unhealthy and then get sick, hey Kilos? [09:43] yeah the kids of today [09:43] hehe [09:44] lol [09:44] i was just having a look back, in the last ten years i have had 2 days off sick [09:44] good [09:45] but doing the game thing is like a holiday [09:45] and playing with pc's too [09:46] ahh well then, i have the perfect way of earning an income [09:46] yeah [09:47] try mixing concrete and laying bricks all day [09:47] by hand i mean not with mixers [09:49] mm different kind of work [09:49] yeah thats hard work. sleep like a baby at night [09:49] driving and entertaining people for 6 hours can drain you as well [09:49] mentally [09:50] driving a 20 year old cruiser with no power anything, physically too some days [09:53] i did work for fattis&monis first year out of school, i do not think i have slept like that before or since [09:53] lol [09:53] yeah noobs get pushed to the limits [09:54] same as with appies [09:54] appies or gopher [09:54] ya [09:55] being told to go and fetch a left handed screw driver [09:55] hahaha [09:55] or a soft hammer [09:55] and long wait [09:56] yup, those are usually found in the corner of the workshop [09:56] lol [09:57] i wonder what the geek route is [09:57] not too sure [09:58] being told to use sneaker net, or carrier pigeon over ip [09:58] lol [09:59] some of these guys here musta been the route [10:00] indeed [10:00] going to be setting up a ubuntu server with school tool for my sons primary school [10:00] http://schooltool.org/ [10:01] lemme go see [10:03] nice [10:03] thats where ubuntu has to start taking over [10:03] kids are the future [10:04] they actually cleverer than us till they hit 20 [10:05] in some ways yes, and a lot more open than most adults to new things and ideas [10:06] ya not died in the wool like oldies [10:07] dyed maybe? [10:08] hi magespawn [10:08] oh ya that ty [10:08] hey charl_ [10:09] i was thinking of adding an ownCloud install as well [10:11] they got a big server? [10:13] no not really, but this would only be for school stuff, not personal photos etc [10:14] a pc as a server or a proper server [10:14] i will do the schooltool first and see how it handles the load [10:14] a pc as a server [10:14] ah [10:14] wireless or cabled? [10:15] but is a pentium dual core 2.7Ghz with a gig of ram, cabled intially, till the rest of the network is put in place [10:16] we are going to try a pc in every clas for the teachers to work from [10:16] with more ram it should handle everything fine [10:16] ah [10:16] they would also be able to use their laptops if they have [10:16] dont primary school kids carry lappies yet [10:16] i can 'steal' ram from one of the other machines if i need too [10:17] no not the kids, the teachers [10:17] they using win hey? [10:17] yes [10:17] schooltool is web based though. [10:18] i been playing. got 7 to share 3g here over direct ethernet cable [10:18] cool beans [10:18] hmm... [10:19] didnt have to go the iptables and masquerade route [10:19] find that bing thing is fast too [10:19] is there going to be a LTS version for 13.xx? [10:19] faster than google anyway [10:20] no [10:20] 14.04 next one Georgl [10:20] ok. thanks Kilos [10:20] np [10:20] so now do i wait or???? [10:20] is 13.04 not LTS? [10:21] not that i am aware... [10:21] you can play with the in between releases [10:21] they are supporting 12.04 till april 2017 [10:21] nope every 2 years only [10:21] * Georgl goes to lewk [10:21] ah thanks [10:21] 12.04 is good [10:21] the LTS is only 9 months from now on, i think [10:22] oh my [10:22] with rolling releases in between [10:22] so no more xx.10 versions [10:22] no more 5 years for servers and 3 for the rest? [10:22] i want long support for 12.04 man [10:23] that is what i think yes, still not 100% on that myself [10:23] 12.04 is the last one to get the long support [10:23] hold [10:23] on' [10:23] they surely not gonna cut server support time [10:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [10:24] oh magespawn someone asked here about putting a gui on a server [10:24] forget who [10:25] Normal Ubuntu releases are supported for 9 months. LTS releases are supported for 5 years. [10:25] ya thats still good [10:25] that is from the link [10:26] i can stretch 12.04 till i get a faster pc [10:26] why would you want to do that? did they say? i was talking about having a gui installed so that you could do either if you wanted [10:26] there was a reason [10:27] he wanted a minimal gui i think [10:27] but didnt wanna go the ubuntu minimal install route [10:27] hi adeebnqo [10:27] welcome to ubuntu-za [10:33] ah it was charl_ [10:42] charl_: you still around? [10:45] what happened to xdm on ubuntu 13.04 [10:45] thats how it started at 12.58, dunno yesterday or day before [10:45] hi Xethron [11:33] hi magespawn [11:33] was just out on lunch but am back now [11:34] i just tried debian 7 and the xdm package didn't even exist [11:34] there was a replacement though [11:35] ended up installing that and it worked fine but then installed tint2 and couldn't get that to work either [11:35] debian also didn't configure my apt sources.list correctly, first had to change it by hand [11:35] am not impressed :( [11:44] have no tried it yet, do think that is normal? [11:45] what is? [11:46] all that hassel. i have no experience of debian directly [11:47] dunno i had a different experience with debian 6 but ok, the world moves on :) [11:47] indeed [11:51] lol charl_ install your server then install mate on it [11:51] mate is light [11:52] i'll rather do cinnamon actually [11:52] i am surprised at how much traction debian seems to have lost to ubuntu and mint [11:52] it looks like debian has moved into obscurity [11:53] any idea why? [11:55] there was a lot of dissatisfaction about debian regarding outdated/poorly maintained packages [11:55] they also have a very strict policy about binary drivers [11:56] as a result it took some "work" to get a new installation up and running perfectly [11:56] and maybe because they were very conservative and too careful to try new things [11:56] only debian users i know now are hard core fans [11:57] so a bit more like 'traditional linux', not so easy for every one [11:57] you could say that [11:57] don't get me wrong, at the time i thought it was the all-round best distro by far [11:57] but they just seemed to have fallen behind [11:58] ubuntu is based on it [11:58] yeah i know, you get "debian-based" distros just like you get redhat-based [11:58] ubuntu/mint are now the most well known [11:59] i was also a bit surprised to see mint has now topped ubuntu on http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major [11:59] but let's face it, a lot of people just don't like unity [11:59] and the initial versions were rather buggy and painful to use [11:59] mint makes a lekker sauce to put on muttom chops [12:00] indeed, mint sauce is delicious [12:00] good in tea too [12:00] ya and helps for heartburn [12:00] and makes the breath smell minty [12:01] lol [12:03] i lwould like to try them all if i can, but each install takes time, and i do have to work some of the time [12:04] and sleep etc [12:04] lol [12:04] im gonna try crunchbang soon [12:05] i've taken it for a ride the other day, looks really good [12:06] i am not happy that there are no download mirrors for it though [12:06] oh is it [12:06] i had to fetch it via bittorrent [12:06] so where you get apps then [12:06] based on debian7 so standard debian packages [12:06] oh ya but that was lekker fast here [12:06] it uses the openbox wm which i happen to like [12:07] bittorrent is a great distribution medium but when you have slow internet or when they shape bittorrent traffic down, it's not good [12:07] does it use apt-get as well or only aptitude [12:07] i'm sure it supports apt-get and aptitude just like debian [12:08] at work i managed to download it at like 60MBps though because we have gigabit ethernet and no shaping [12:08] but with no repos where does it wanna get from? [12:08] but afaik in african countries like south africa they "shape" traffic (down-prioritise certain protocols) [12:09] no the repos are standard debian repositories [12:09] i'm talking about downloading the iso [12:10] mine was 10 times faster than getting a ubuntu iso [12:13] over bittorrent? [12:13] ya [12:13] interesting [12:13] got crunch in 45 mins [12:13] yeah i have to say, i got a really fast download too [12:14] well there you have it, the road forwards, distribute everything via bittorrent :) [12:14] I use bittorrent for things like that [12:16] Squirm: you use tint2 right? [12:17] i couldn't get it running on debian now [12:17] on ubuntu it runs fine without any parameters [12:18] on debian it looked like it wanted me to specify a configuration file [12:18] was it you or was it somebody else, not sure now [12:54] hi publicus14 [12:57] Kilos: i found the problem with my hard drive [12:57] Kilos: the values are not incorrect, they are used for other things (seems to be a typical seagate problem) [12:58] http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/HDD/Seagate_SER_RRER_HEC.html [12:58] via: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/289512-32-high-smart-values-seagate-normal === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [13:01] ah [13:30] ciao [14:08] Debian only releases every two years, that seems to be the opposite of what every one else is doing [14:09] you dont think we also gonna end up like that? [14:09] just lts releases [14:12] wbb. gonna check if i can install the bang thing from stick [14:14] no do think so [14:15] not === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [14:31] home time [14:31] later all [16:18] evening [16:19] so what has happened to kilos ? [16:19] he choked on a bad distro ? [16:20] you see the mybb post [16:20] "If you think pushing 1TB per month on your 10Mbps uncapped ADSL account is bad, think again!" [16:20] n Internet user in California using a 300Mbps Bonded Verizon FiOS connection has been warned by his service provider after consuming 77TB in March 2013. [16:20] The user, who calls himself “houkouonchi”, explained that he hosts a server rack at his house with 209TB of storage. He offers a range of services, including video streaming and P2P file sharing. [16:20] His bandwidth usage over the last few months has been 35TB in January, 32TB in February, 77TB in March, and 28TB in April. [16:22] those okes should be told they need a "big mac" business account [16:23] okes like that screw it up for everyone im sure [16:24] * Squirm shrugs [16:24] If I had that speed I might do the same [16:24] yea ditto [16:25] why dont they just cap [16:25] cause they don't need to yet [16:25] obviously [16:25] seems a little silly to give a warning [16:26] i know for 1 i dont want to hear from my isp [16:26] i cant be bothered [16:27] 300Mbps is hectic speed [16:27] is this fibre ? [16:28] i dont think copper can do more then 40Mbps [16:28] "Verizon FiOS is a bundled Internet access, telephone, and television service which operates over a fiber-optic communications network." [16:28] Japan has hit 2GBps download speed, 1GBps upload speed [16:28] uhuh [16:28] through a type of bonded fibre [16:29] eish!! [16:29] thats hectic!! [16:29] at $50 per month [16:30] yeah, my brother says his 50 Mbps connection in Japan costs him about the same as 3 burgers [16:30] SA sucks -.-v [16:30] Google has been rolling out Gigabit fibre in the states [16:32] Telkoms uncapped VDSL bundle [16:32] is at R2840pm [16:32] and that's 40MBps [16:32] hahaha [16:32] yeah [16:33] SK is also upping their game [16:33] What is this Plan ideally suited for? [16:33] Retrieving email [16:33] Surfing the internet [16:34] those are 2 options [16:34] Telkom lists [16:34] for their 40Mbit line [16:36] lol [16:37] lack of sleep and a little hyped on caffeine. please excuse me :P [16:37] and it's time to study some more I guess [16:41] http://cdn-s3-1.wanelo.com/product/image/2585583/original.jpg [16:42] brilliant [16:42] though I have my RHCE exam on Friday :/ [16:42] hmm... [16:42] hi Kilos [16:43] i see my modem prob stems from debian [16:43] hi Squirm [16:43] crunchbang also dont see the modem [16:43] RHCE? Red Hat Certification Exam? [16:43] Cantide: indeed [16:43] oh [16:43] no [16:43] nice [16:43] oh [16:43] i guessed it -.- [16:43] Red Hat Certified Engineer [16:43] ah [16:43] i was close! [16:44] first level is Red Hat Certified System Administrator(RHCSA), then you can get your RHCE [16:44] and that's why you use abbreviations :P [16:45] :p [16:45] and only 2 workspaces [16:45] sigh [16:45] Kilos: should be easy to change that [16:45] right click on the workspace switcher [16:46] it open a long list of things [16:46] Preferences? [16:47] nope [16:49] haven't used Crunchbang, but it should be possible [16:49] ill mail the monkey tomorrow [16:50] and also installing sakis3g has to be done fifferently [16:50] differently [16:50] cant tight click extract here [16:51] so using fone at the moment [16:53] at least it has synaptic in and xchat and pidgin [16:54] hmm [16:54] just try and double click on the sakis3g package? [16:54] it opens a window open with [16:55] select the contects and drag it into a folder/onto your desktop? [16:55] thats another thing cant drag from stick to desktop [16:55] hehe [16:55] lots to learn [16:56] and in that time, CentOS on my netbook [16:57] ah thats what nuvolari uses at work [16:57] It's a rebranded Red Hat [16:57] I'd only use it as a server though [16:57] ya thats what he does [16:58] also no sound here in xchat [16:58] maybe i need a reboot after upgrading [16:59] na [17:00] well, should only need to restart on kernel upgrade [17:00] must be [17:00] its the first update/upgrade [17:00] ya it did linux stuff too [17:01] it's all linux stuff ;) [17:01] lol i mean the headers etc [17:03] it is xfce i hope [17:03] installing xfce-extras [17:08] i remember the monkey also had 3g probs [17:17] wbb [17:28] hmm... [17:28] ...mmh [17:29] lol [17:29] back on unity [17:29] i forgot xchat sound need work on xfce things [17:31] good evening [17:31] hi magespawn [17:31] hey Squirm [17:32] are you taking any courses for the exam? i forget [17:33] yo magespawn [17:33] hey Kilos [17:35] magespawn: did the one I needed at the end of Jan [17:35] it's a bit long ago [17:36] if you have been practising/using the skills it should be okay [17:39] I know [17:39] but there lies the issue [17:39] my current job doesn't exactly allow me to practice such skills === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [17:40] and I should be practicing such skills now. but can't concentrate :/ [17:40] lo Trixar_za [17:40]