[01:19] <OvenWerks> zequence: well upgrade from 12.04 to 10 was fine. publishing and photography metas missing, which means just publishing app wise
[01:20] <OvenWerks> upgrade to R next.
[03:16] <OvenWerks>  
[03:20] <OvenWerks> zequence: Upgrade from q to r adds generic
[03:20] <OvenWerks> (updates low-latency as well at least)
[03:49] <OvenWerks> Icon theme is wrong too... not much we can do about that.
[03:50] <OvenWerks> Backdrop doesn't change either, of course
[07:12] <zequence-s> Seems like gnome got updated, so perhaps it will be working now. I'm just updating now
[15:55] <ttoine> hey
[20:36] <DarkEra> hi guys
[21:08] <madeinkobaia> Hi DarkaEra : )
[21:09] <madeinkobaia> Ops "DarkEra" 
[21:10] <zequence> DarkEra: Hi. I just tried the latest Gnome 3.8 today on Ubuntu Gnome. Still not working. Really weird
[21:13] <DarkEra> hi there madeinkobaia :)
[21:14] <DarkEra> zequence, bummer.... i wonder what's wrong
[21:14] <madeinkobaia> :)
[21:16] <DarkEra> has smartboyhw been around by the way?
[21:16] <zequence> smartboyhw will be gone for a couple of weeks
[21:16] <zequence> He's busy with school now
[21:16] <DarkEra> i see, thanks for the headsup
[21:50] <DarkEra> i'll be back later or tomorrow, going to work a bit on my track
[22:24] <madeinkobaia> See you guys :)
[22:40] <OvenWerks> zequence: wrote some replies to Luke from DC. Feel free to correct anything I said.
[22:40] <zequence> OvenWerks: I replied already. But I had also replied to Luke before that as well
[22:41] <OvenWerks> I would suggest a different xdg subdir for each DE settings
[22:41] <zequence> We'll get to that eventually
[22:41] <zequence> First things first
[22:42] <zequence> Did you read my reply before you replied? Kind of seems like you doubled some stuff there
[22:43] <OvenWerks> Ya probably, just trying to be complete I think
[22:43] <OvenWerks> The menu stuff is not ready for other DEs just yet
[22:43] <zequence> I wouldn't want to confuse the guy
[22:43] <zequence> He doesn't have an idea about any of this stuff yet
[22:43] <OvenWerks> The icon stuff either
[22:44] <OvenWerks> Ya, but he needs to know right off he has to look for system stuff, not user directory files.
[22:44] <zequence> No hurry with theming. We can do that later, once we've even decided if we are to use metas for different DEs
[22:44] <zequence> If you had read my reply, you would have seen I already discussed that
[22:45] <OvenWerks> I would like to see some themeing even in a studio dropped on top of an already installed DE
[22:47] <zequence> Currently, we don't have a Ubuntu Studio theme
[22:47] <zequence> We would need to create one first
[22:47] <OvenWerks> Ya.
[22:48] <zequence> That's a goal for 14.04, more than for 13.10. Will take some time to get done
[22:48] <OvenWerks> I think I meant theme as in a background and other artwork
[22:48] <zequence> Currently, none of the people involved do that much desktop theming
[22:48] <zequence> Well, once we've devide we even want to use metas, we can look at putting the details right
[22:49] <zequence> Right now, I'm only working on preparing a meta with Luke
[22:49] <OvenWerks> zequence:  I will work from the other end with kubuntu.
[22:49] <OvenWerks> That being, taking an installed kubuntu and making a KubuntuStudio
[22:51] <zequence> OvenWerks: Don't worry about realtime privilege for now though. If you want to look at the menu stuff, that would be great
[22:51] <zequence> OvenWerks: I still prefer we focus on getting changes upstream, so that creating these custom menus would be easier
[22:51] <OvenWerks> I will have the menu stuff set up to work with any xdg compliant menu
[22:52] <OvenWerks> There will be less layout stuff and rely more on the default layout except for the Studio part.
[22:54] <OvenWerks> I can replace graphics, video, multi-media with our own version and workflows, but the rest will be stock.
[22:54] <zequence> Installing a Debian server. experimenting with encrypted drives. Took me more than 12h to write over a 400GB drive (let's hope this install doesn't fail then)
[22:55] <zequence> Trying to get EFI to work also
[22:55] <OvenWerks> I might need to make more than one desktop item for some of the ubuntustudio help items that start a browser etc.
[22:56] <OvenWerks> Wow! I am not in need of encryped drives right now.
[23:10] <OvenWerks> zequence: we may be better off using xdg-open over exo-open in our US help submenu
[23:11] <OvenWerks> I think it ships with most other DEs, exo-open is not in KDE for example.
[23:12] <zequence> OvenWerks: I don't have much insight into the problems with a generic Ubuntu Studio menu. But, if you like, once you've gone through enough to get an idea of some options, try to sum it up as concretely and shortly as possible in a mail. I think that would be the most constructive way to go forward 
[23:13] <zequence> For as long as I'm not involved in that (and I'm currently too busy), I can't really add much input. But, if you can sketch the problem up in a mail, in a comprehensive way, it'll give me a much better chance to see what the sitation is
[23:13] <zequence> I think the key is to focus on as few details as possible
[23:14] <zequence> At the time, taht is
[23:14] <OvenWerks> OK.
[23:16] <zequence> wow, I got efi to work finally
[23:22] <OvenWerks> Quick question about Bug 1179083
[23:23] <OvenWerks> I think we have documentation some where that upgrade to 12.04 is not supported
[23:24] <OvenWerks> If I can find the web page, I can close the bug with a pointer to tha page.
[23:30] <OvenWerks> found it.
[23:32] <zequence> really? not for any flavor?
[23:32] <OvenWerks> Just US. There were too many changes with the DE
[23:32] <OvenWerks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/12.04release_notes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_Studio_10.04_LTS_to_Ubuntu_Studio_12.04_LTS
[23:34] <zequence> Yes, kind of makes sense
[23:35] <OvenWerks> I remember Scott adding that
[23:36] <OvenWerks> I have now marked the bug invalid