[06:52] elfy: hey [06:54] elfy, i talked to the autopilot guys. apparently a lot of other F/OSS uses autopilot, so some might even still be usable by us. [06:57] hi ochosi [06:58] Noskcaj: thanks - what got said would be useful to know, a lot of others might use it but as it stands it fails to even start here [06:58] elfy: if you could re-test the greeter with greybird from git please [06:58] elfy: we just pushed some fixes [06:59] ochosi: ok - I'll boot into the machine in a little while and look :) [06:59] elfy: thanks a lot! [06:59] elfy: oh, and what did you mean with "top right icons rounded"? [07:00] it's a visual thing I guess - I know that they at the top - they just look really 'square' which they are anyway - perhaps it's the stark difference between the dark panel and the almost white icons [07:01] elfy: i think you were experiencing theming issues, they should look fine now... [07:01] aah ok - well I'll update it and look shortly [07:01] thanks! [07:08] elfy: i'll be back in a bit, gotta run off now [07:08] ok [07:22] ochosi: that appears to be much better :) http://imagebin.org/259138 [07:23] now that I actually look in this one at the greeter - the 'icon' is there too - you can safely ignore me :) [07:53] Noskcaj: the autopilot channel doesn't log - so a copy of the logs from when you talked to them would do - thanks [07:56] elfy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706048/ [08:00] Noskcaj: so that's not where you were "i talked to the autopilot guys. apparently a lot of other F/OSS uses autopilot, so some might even still be usable by us." then [08:01] because that's what I'd like to see :) [08:22] ok, and it seems that no other projects make it easy to find their involvement. you might be better with google, but i found nothing [08:22] ok thanks - I just assumed that you talking to them had something somewhere [08:57] elfy: ok, yeah that's almost as it should be [08:58] elfy: but bluesabre decided to break the icon-theming with his last commit ;) [08:58] elfy: so those will also be fixed soon i guess [08:58] :) [08:58] happy at least the rest works again [08:59] bbl [08:59] yep - I didn't think that the idea was to have an unreadable login screen :) [08:59] hf [08:59] hehe, ty [09:04] good day [09:04] evening knome [09:18] Noskcaj: autopilot will work - it's working for me now [09:19] elfy, great to hear. [09:19] raring or saucy? [09:19] saucy [09:20] the source was all fubar - redid the add ppa - updated/upgraded and it worked ;) [09:20] can you link me the ppa? i'll try it on raring tomorrow morning [09:20] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa [09:20] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-autopilot [09:21] if we can make this thing work for the post-install tests will be a lot easier [09:22] we still can't forget manual tests though [09:23] knome, no. but those post install tests take a long time, and they're not run very frequently [09:24] what's taking time in them is the hardware testing, which autopilot can't really do.. [09:24] knome, ok. offtopic: has there been any discussion on using a magnet link for downloading xubuntu? [09:24] very brief. [09:25] bbl [09:28] knome, and? [09:28] Noskcaj, and there hasn't been any progress for it [09:28] i can't help but wonder, why still use a file? [09:28] Noskcaj, many of our users aren't as tech-savvy as us developers [09:29] knome, no, but with th exception of chrome in ubuntu, a magnet works just as well, and without the semi-confusing download [09:29] Noskcaj, so are you saying it works in internet explorer as well? [09:30] knome, i hope so, it's the torrent client that does the work either way. [09:31] so .torrent and magnet link are similar "nerd level" [09:31] Noskcaj, i'm not really sure what the benefit of the magnet link would be, if it's simply a link that opens the torrent application? [09:33] how they work: file: link to "trackers", then downloads from a list from the trackers. link: uses lots of confusing algorithms to ignore the need for trackers, so no "middle man" and nothing to host, no download as well. both methods get similar amounts of peers [09:34] hosting is not a problem, it's an automatic process that happens with a release [09:36] ok. i can't help but think we should have both then. no more effort for us, we have reliability if the tracker goes down and it's a more "neat" and less confusing way to do this [09:37] if the tracker goes down, the world is upside down [09:38] Noskcaj, please describe the steps we would need to take, list browsers that have problems with it and send to the mailing list and it can be taken into consideration [09:38] Noskcaj, also please think of an argument against this: if the torrent link is confusing, how isn't having two different torrentish links confusing? [09:40] ok, i'll look into it. i have little knowledge of how they are made. if someone is using a torrent client, they no what the link and the file are. [09:40] *know [09:40] i'm sure one can't make that assumption. [09:40] most torrent sites use both, some use only the link [09:40] knome, ok, but it's a good generalization [09:41] you're saying the same thing in other words. no, i don't think it's a good generalization [09:42] everywhere you can use a torrent client, they use both formats, side by side [09:44] are you referring to open source downloads now, or torrent sites that do not care about copyrights? [09:46] all torrent sites outside of ubuntu. even the no piracy sites [09:47] ok. please link to some bigger ones that do so in your mail [09:53] knome, i'll make a small personal wiki page, detail everything there [09:53] Noskcaj, that's fine [10:05] knome, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj/XubuntuMagnetLinks is my "beta", i'll finish it tomorrow [10:07] Noskcaj, thanks. can you also send it to the developer mailing list for broader discussion? [10:07] i will when it's finished [10:08] thanks === hobgoblin is now known as elfy [11:14] elfy: hopefully, we can get you to this point: http://imagebin.org/259157 [11:15] bluesabre: that looks nice :) [11:16] wonder why mine isn't like that - I did the ppa for the greeter and git cloned into /usr/share/themes [11:16] yeah, I'm not sure whats up with that [11:17] hopefully we can sort it out [11:17] i think that it's simply not the latest build [11:17] ok [11:17] (at least that's what i assume) [11:17] but as you know - happy enough to test it for you when you need it :) [11:17] absolutely, and thanks! [11:18] and I assume it's nothing silly like me using nouveau on nvidia card [11:18] i'm also currently using nouveau [11:18] ok [11:18] but i'm already considering to switch back to nvidia [11:18] nouveau has weird artifacts on the greeter's bg when switching user [11:18] and it also means i can't suspend to ram [11:19] well sometimes it works for me -1304 I tried to install nvidia - themes completely 1999 :) [11:19] then in another 1304 it works fine - weird [11:20] but in my opinion the greeter should work with nouveau [11:20] nah, it shouldn't be that bad [11:20] it's just some graphical artifacts, not the win98 style [11:20] that's ok then [11:21] probably good if I carry on checking with nouveau then if others are looking at in nvidia [11:21] but not being able to suspend is important for me, so i'll switch back [11:22] yea - can see that, I can suspend with nouveau [11:23] i can suspend too, but it doesn't wake up again ;) [11:23] lol [11:23] mind you I've never tried with the laptop as it's battery lasts about 15 minutes ... [13:40] Hey guys, I'm using ubuntu studio and all of sudden my disk/partitions have become read only. I cannot save anything to any. Can someone help me? [15:07] why was that person in #xubuntu-devel? [15:07] that makes *no* sense. [15:08] did somebody in the ubuntu studio channels point this person here? [15:11] knome: nah.. looks like a standard emergency cross post.. we have something about the xubuntu channel in our topic for "nromal" xfce issues [15:11] normal* [15:12] yeah, #xubuntu is totally fine [15:13] knome: its too bad really.. folks dont realize the similarites in the variants [15:13] a simple "read only file system ubuntu" google search would help them a lot [15:13] yup. [15:14] mostly, what i feel like i do 98% of the time is properly google things [15:14] knowing what to ask where... [15:15] agreed [15:57] knome, ochosi, other awesome and skilled translators, some new strings in catfish trunk: https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search/trunk [15:57] catfish bugs are easy to fix nowadays :) [16:01] bluesabre: hm, i just translated all missing strings in german (12), but they're still listed in the overview page: https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search/trunk [16:03] sometimes it takes a little while for launchpad to update [16:05] alrighty [16:13] stupid bluesabre changing strings ;) [16:13] nope, didn't change them, forgot to include them ;) [16:13] hah. [16:13] stupid bluesabre forgotting to include strings [16:13] better? [16:14] much better! [16:14] :( [16:14] j/k, i'll go and update. [16:14] shouldn't it be "ISO format", not "iso format" ? [16:15] probably [16:15] want me to change it? [16:15] if you want to... :) [16:15] are PATH/FILEMANAGER strings? [16:15] and WRAPPER [16:15] more or less [16:15] you can change them as you see fit [16:15] there's no way to know that [16:15] aha... [16:16] so translate? [16:16] or not translate [16:16] don't translate [16:16] one sec [16:16] okay [16:16] see here: [16:16] http://pastebin.com/LWLwHUxX [16:17] okay [16:17] can you add "context" for those? [16:17] or make them look like they are strings? [16:17] or sth to tell the translators that they shouldn't translate them [16:17] yeah, I'll do that and ISO right now [16:19] ok, i'll refrain from editing until you update the translations [16:23] funny that - I was doing the catfish test thing today [16:23] knome: updated, should show up in a few minutes [16:24] bluesabre, goodie [16:26] so WRAPPER is an application? [16:26] ochosi: ^ german translation is now outdated [16:26] yeah [16:26] oki [16:26] xdg-open [16:26] :) [16:36] the finnish translation is done. [16:36] yay! [16:37] the finnish translation is finished surely :D [16:37] finnished :P [16:37] :) [16:37] cya all tomorrow I hope [16:38] seeya elfy [17:07] bluesabre: meh, already again outdated? [17:11] blame knome and his sense of consistency ;) [17:15] bbl [21:46] knome, i've sent off the email for a magnet link [21:47] i see [21:47] i'll get to that tomorrow or so [23:10] Torrent files are still used and quite useful, not exactly deprecated. Magnets are quite nice though, even more so in IRC. [23:43] Unit193, yep.