[06:52] <ochosi> elfy: hey
[06:54] <Noskcaj> elfy, i talked to the autopilot guys. apparently a lot of other F/OSS uses autopilot, so some might even still be usable by us.
[06:57] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[06:58] <elfy> Noskcaj: thanks - what got said would be useful to know, a lot of others might use it but as it stands it fails to even start here 
[06:58] <ochosi> elfy: if you could re-test the greeter with greybird from git please
[06:58] <ochosi> elfy: we just pushed some fixes
[06:59] <elfy> ochosi: ok - I'll boot into the machine in a little while and look :)
[06:59] <ochosi> elfy: thanks a lot!
[06:59] <ochosi> elfy: oh, and what did you mean with "top right icons rounded"?
[07:00] <elfy> it's a visual thing I guess - I know that they at the top - they just look really 'square' which they are anyway - perhaps it's the stark difference between the dark panel and the almost white icons
[07:01] <ochosi> elfy: i think you were experiencing theming issues, they should look fine now...
[07:01] <elfy> aah ok - well I'll update it and look shortly 
[07:01] <ochosi> thanks!
[07:08] <ochosi> elfy: i'll be back in a bit, gotta run off now
[07:08] <elfy> ok 
[07:22] <elfy> ochosi: that appears to be much better :) http://imagebin.org/259138
[07:23] <elfy> now that I actually look in this one at the greeter - the 'icon' is there too - you can safely ignore me :)
[07:53] <elfy> Noskcaj: the autopilot channel doesn't log - so a copy of the logs from when you talked to them would do - thanks
[07:56] <Noskcaj> elfy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706048/
[08:00] <elfy> Noskcaj: so that's not where you were "i talked to the autopilot guys. apparently a lot of other F/OSS uses autopilot, so some might even still be usable by us." then 
[08:01] <elfy> because that's what I'd like to see :)
[08:22] <Noskcaj> ok, and it seems that no other projects make it easy to find their involvement. you might be better with google, but i found nothing
[08:22] <elfy> ok thanks - I just assumed that you talking to them had something somewhere
[08:57] <ochosi> elfy: ok, yeah that's almost as it should be
[08:58] <ochosi> elfy: but bluesabre decided to break the icon-theming with his last commit ;)
[08:58] <ochosi> elfy: so those will also be fixed soon i guess
[08:58] <elfy> :)
[08:58] <ochosi> happy at least the rest works again
[08:59] <ochosi> bbl
[08:59] <elfy> yep - I didn't think that the idea was to have an unreadable login screen :)
[08:59] <elfy> hf
[08:59] <ochosi> hehe, ty
[09:04] <knome> good day
[09:04] <Noskcaj> evening knome 
[09:18] <elfy> Noskcaj: autopilot will work - it's working for me now 
[09:19] <Noskcaj> elfy, great to hear. 
[09:19] <Noskcaj> raring or saucy?
[09:19] <elfy> saucy
[09:20] <elfy> the source was all fubar - redid the add ppa - updated/upgraded and it worked ;)
[09:20] <Noskcaj> can you link me the ppa? i'll try it on raring tomorrow morning
[09:20] <elfy>  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa 
[09:20] <elfy>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-autopilot
[09:21] <Noskcaj> if we can make this thing work for the post-install tests will be a lot easier
[09:22] <knome> we still can't forget manual tests though
[09:23] <Noskcaj> knome, no. but those post install tests take a long time, and they're not run very frequently
[09:24] <knome> what's taking time in them is the hardware testing, which autopilot can't really do..
[09:24] <Noskcaj> knome, ok. offtopic: has there been any discussion on using a magnet link for downloading xubuntu?
[09:24] <knome> very brief.
[09:25] <elfy> bbl
[09:28] <Noskcaj> knome, and?
[09:28] <knome> Noskcaj, and there hasn't been any progress for it
[09:28] <Noskcaj> i can't help but wonder, why still use a file?
[09:28] <knome> Noskcaj, many of our users aren't as tech-savvy as us developers
[09:29] <Noskcaj> knome, no, but with th exception of chrome in ubuntu, a magnet works just as well, and without the semi-confusing download
[09:29] <knome> Noskcaj, so are you saying it works in internet explorer as well?
[09:30] <Noskcaj> knome, i hope so, it's the torrent client that does the work either way.
[09:31] <Noskcaj> so .torrent and magnet link are similar "nerd level"
[09:31] <knome> Noskcaj, i'm not really sure what the benefit of the magnet link would be, if it's simply a link that opens the torrent application?
[09:33] <Noskcaj> how they work: file: link to "trackers", then downloads from a list from the trackers. link: uses lots of confusing algorithms to ignore the need for trackers, so no "middle man" and nothing to host, no download as well. both methods get similar amounts of peers
[09:34] <knome> hosting is not a problem, it's an automatic process that happens with a release
[09:36] <Noskcaj> ok. i can't help but think we should have both then. no more effort for us, we have reliability if the tracker goes down and it's a more "neat" and less confusing way to do this
[09:37] <knome> if the tracker goes down, the world is upside down
[09:38] <knome> Noskcaj, please describe the steps we would need to take, list browsers that have problems with it and send to the mailing list and it can be taken into consideration
[09:38] <knome> Noskcaj, also please think of an argument against this: if the torrent link is confusing, how isn't having two different torrentish links confusing?
[09:40] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll look into it. i have little knowledge of how they are made. if someone is using a torrent client, they no what the link and the file are. 
[09:40] <Noskcaj> *know
[09:40] <knome> i'm sure one can't make that assumption.
[09:40] <Noskcaj> most torrent sites use both, some use only the link
[09:40] <Noskcaj> knome, ok, but it's a good generalization
[09:41] <knome> you're saying the same thing in other words. no, i don't think it's a good generalization
[09:42] <Noskcaj> everywhere you can use a torrent client, they use both formats, side by side
[09:44] <knome> are you referring to open source downloads now, or torrent sites that do not care about copyrights?
[09:46] <Noskcaj> all torrent sites outside of ubuntu. even the no piracy sites
[09:47] <knome> ok. please link to some bigger ones that do so in your mail
[09:53] <Noskcaj> knome, i'll make a small personal wiki page, detail everything there
[09:53] <knome> Noskcaj, that's fine
[10:05] <Noskcaj> knome, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj/XubuntuMagnetLinks is my "beta", i'll finish it tomorrow
[10:07] <knome> Noskcaj, thanks. can you also send it to the developer mailing list for broader discussion?
[10:07] <Noskcaj> i will when it's finished
[10:08] <knome> thanks
[11:14] <bluesabre> elfy: hopefully, we can get you to this point: http://imagebin.org/259157
[11:15] <elfy> bluesabre: that looks nice :)
[11:16] <elfy> wonder why mine isn't like that - I did the ppa for the greeter and git cloned into /usr/share/themes
[11:16] <bluesabre> yeah, I'm not sure whats up with that
[11:17] <bluesabre> hopefully we can sort it out
[11:17] <ochosi> i think that it's simply not the latest build
[11:17] <elfy> ok 
[11:17] <ochosi> (at least that's what i assume)
[11:17] <elfy> but as you know - happy enough to test it for you when you need it :)
[11:17] <bluesabre> absolutely, and thanks!
[11:18] <elfy> and I assume it's nothing silly like me using nouveau on nvidia card 
[11:18] <ochosi> i'm also currently using nouveau
[11:18] <elfy> ok 
[11:18] <ochosi> but i'm already considering to switch back to nvidia
[11:18] <ochosi> nouveau has weird artifacts on the greeter's bg when switching user
[11:18] <ochosi> and it also means i can't suspend to ram
[11:19] <elfy> well sometimes it works for me -1304 I tried to install nvidia - themes completely 1999  :)
[11:19] <elfy> then in another 1304 it works fine - weird
[11:20] <elfy> but in my opinion the greeter should work with nouveau 
[11:20] <ochosi> nah, it shouldn't be that bad
[11:20] <ochosi> it's just some graphical artifacts, not the win98 style
[11:20] <elfy> that's ok then 
[11:21] <elfy> probably good if I carry on checking with nouveau then if others are looking at in nvidia 
[11:21] <ochosi> but not being able to suspend is important for me, so i'll switch back
[11:22] <elfy> yea - can see that, I can suspend with nouveau 
[11:23] <ochosi> i can suspend too, but it doesn't wake up again ;)
[11:23] <elfy> lol
[11:23] <elfy> mind you I've never tried with the laptop as it's battery lasts about 15 minutes ... 
[13:40] <nixnine> Hey guys, I'm using ubuntu studio and all of  sudden my disk/partitions have become read only.  I cannot save anything to any.  Can someone help me?
[15:07] <knome> why was that person in #xubuntu-devel?
[15:07] <knome> that makes *no* sense.
[15:08] <knome> did somebody in the ubuntu studio channels point this person here?
[15:11] <holstein> knome: nah.. looks like a standard emergency cross post.. we have something about the xubuntu channel in our topic for "nromal" xfce issues
[15:11] <holstein> normal*
[15:12] <knome> yeah, #xubuntu is totally fine
[15:13] <holstein> knome: its too bad really.. folks dont realize the similarites in the variants
[15:13] <holstein> a simple "read only file system ubuntu" google search would help them a lot
[15:13] <knome> yup.
[15:14] <holstein> mostly, what i feel like i do 98% of the time is properly google things
[15:14] <holstein> knowing what to ask where...
[15:15] <knome> agreed
[15:57] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi, other awesome and skilled translators, some new strings in catfish trunk: https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search/trunk
[15:57] <bluesabre> catfish bugs are easy to fix nowadays :)
[16:01] <ochosi> bluesabre: hm, i just translated all missing strings in german (12), but they're still listed in the overview page: https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search/trunk
[16:03] <bluesabre> sometimes it takes a little while for launchpad to update
[16:05] <ochosi> alrighty
[16:13] <knome> stupid bluesabre changing strings ;)
[16:13] <bluesabre> nope, didn't change them, forgot to include them ;)
[16:13] <knome> hah.
[16:13] <knome> stupid bluesabre forgotting to include strings
[16:13] <knome> better?
[16:14] <bluesabre> much better!
[16:14] <bluesabre> :(
[16:14] <knome> j/k, i'll go and update.
[16:14] <knome> shouldn't it be "ISO format", not "iso format" ?
[16:15] <bluesabre> probably
[16:15] <bluesabre> want me to change it?
[16:15] <knome> if you want to... :)
[16:15] <knome> are PATH/FILEMANAGER strings?
[16:15] <knome> and WRAPPER
[16:15] <bluesabre> more or less
[16:15] <bluesabre> you can change them as you see fit
[16:15] <knome> there's no way to know that
[16:15] <knome> aha...
[16:16] <knome> so translate?
[16:16] <knome> or not translate
[16:16] <bluesabre> don't translate
[16:16] <bluesabre> one sec
[16:16] <knome> okay
[16:16] <bluesabre> see here: 
[16:16] <bluesabre> http://pastebin.com/LWLwHUxX
[16:17] <knome> okay
[16:17] <knome> can you add "context" for those?
[16:17] <knome> or make them look like they are strings?
[16:17] <knome> or sth to tell the translators that they shouldn't translate them
[16:17] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll do that and ISO right now
[16:19] <knome> ok, i'll refrain from editing until you update the translations
[16:23] <elfy> funny that - I was doing the catfish test thing today 
[16:23] <bluesabre> knome: updated, should show up in a few minutes
[16:24] <knome> bluesabre, goodie
[16:26] <knome> so WRAPPER is an application?
[16:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^ german translation is now outdated
[16:26] <bluesabre> yeah
[16:26] <knome> oki
[16:26] <bluesabre> xdg-open
[16:26] <bluesabre> :)
[16:36] <knome> the finnish translation is done.
[16:36] <bluesabre> yay!
[16:37] <elfy> the finnish translation is finished surely :D
[16:37] <knome> finnished :P
[16:37] <elfy> :)
[16:37] <elfy> cya all tomorrow I hope
[16:38] <bluesabre> seeya elfy
[17:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: meh, already again outdated?
[17:11] <bluesabre> blame knome and his sense of consistency ;)
[17:15] <bluesabre> bbl
[21:46] <Noskcaj> knome, i've sent off the email for a magnet link
[21:47] <knome> i see
[21:47] <knome> i'll get to that tomorrow or so
[23:10] <Unit193> Torrent files are still used and quite useful, not exactly deprecated.  Magnets are quite nice though, even more so in IRC.
[23:43] <knome> Unit193, yep.