[01:18] <Darkwing> yes?
[01:19] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: yes?
[02:25] <ahoneybun>  /back
[02:25] <ahoneybun> hello peopl
[02:25] <ahoneybun> e
[02:27] <jessie> vHanda: Good? news! Nepomuk won't start again.
[02:39] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: you there?
[03:53] <ahoneybun> off
[06:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[06:35] <soee> good morning
[08:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hi
[08:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: re your does-not-power-on-N7 , whats the dmesg output when you connect it to the PC?
[08:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: um I don't know, doesn't your N7 do the same thing?
[08:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: huh? I think yours possibly went into APX mode
[08:54] <shadeslayer> which is this special mode to use with nvflash, and only occurs when the bootloader gets corrupted
[08:54] <shadeslayer> and you can even see it in dmesg
[08:55] <Peace-> Riddell: :) i was jokin around with google talk and => logout => usb didn't work anymore hahhaha
[08:55] <Peace-> funny
[08:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: interesting, I'll dig it out in a bit and try
[08:59] <Riddell> Peace-: mm I doubt google talk would affect usb
[08:59] <Peace-> Riddell: i guess it's a driver problem 
[09:00] <Peace-> but the system logged out when i use flash \ chromium
[09:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: do you know how to properly install ubuntu as an OS on the n7? I tried the n7 installer for raring, but what I got are ubuntu on a 6G partition with only one cpu core
[09:02] <yofel> (which is I guess ubuntu nested in android?)
[09:02] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/ ?
[09:04] <Riddell> yofel: there's the nexus images on cdimage
[09:04] <Riddell> and then there's the ubuntu touch stuff
[09:04] <yofel> guess I'll try flashing manually
[09:04] <Riddell> the nexus images on cdimage are more interesting to me but probably not maintained by canonical much now
[09:04] <yofel> Riddell: that's what the installer uses too, but what I got wasn't what I expected
[09:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: just be careful, Tegra devices are fiddly, you can easily put your device into APX mode if the flashing goes bad and then you have to get your device replaced since AFAICT there's no working nvflash for the N7 yet
[09:08] <yofel> :S
[09:08] <yofel> well, so far it's not broken
[09:08] <jussi> yofel: if you havent already, might want to drop into #ubuntu-touch 
[09:09] <yofel> was there a while ago, left as I was in too many channels ^^
[09:09] <yofel> guess I'll come back
[09:10] <jussi> its not a massively active channel, but I had help there this morning
[09:11] <shadeslayer> the ubuntu touch stuff is not really useful to us, it uses SurfaceFlinger
[09:11] <shadeslayer> and not X
[09:12] <jussi> meh, Im just playing with it on the nexus 4
[09:12] <shadeslayer> :)
[09:12]  * yofel re-joins #ubuntu-arm too
[09:12] <yofel> I wonder when someone will bother to fix qmeu
[09:13] <jussi> I wish someone would make the pin stuff work... 
[09:13] <yofel> for that matter: does someone have arm hardware lying around that one could build packages for saucy on?
[09:13] <jussi> guess I have to put the sim card in a different phone and disable it...
[09:14] <Riddell> yofel: probably (with some setup),what do you need?
[09:14] <jussi> yofel: Ive a imx53 starter board I might be able to put into use
[09:14] <yofel> jussi: does that board have a recent kernel and libc?
[09:14] <jussi> Riddell: did you figure something out about the lenovo s10t3 Ive got here?
[09:14] <yofel> Riddell: well, something that I could use to test-build ksudoku and digikam on (latter maybe not...)
[09:15] <jussi> yofel: no Idea, havent looked at it for ages. Has 12.04 iirc. 
[09:15] <jussi> I think its with a workmate at the moment, so I need to find it...
[09:15] <yofel> I hoped to use the n7, which worked back in quantal. But the raring install is junk
[09:16] <Riddell> yofel: I could try and get a pandaboard set up but it would take some time
[09:16] <yofel> Riddell: they've been broken for weeks already, so no hurry...
[09:17] <Riddell> jussi: hmm no, anyone want to use jussi's machine to test multitouch on?
[09:18] <jussi> Its available for anyone to do Kubuntu dev on, if you can get it to you. :) (and you agree to actually do stuff with it)
[09:19] <jussi> I will be going around europe a bit in a few weeks, paris, brussels, munich, stuttgart, milan so if you are in or near one of those places...
[09:19]  * Riddell imagines jussi like james bond chasing the baddies from picturesque-city to picturesque-city
[09:19] <jussi> haha
[09:20] <yofel> lol, please leave my beatiful stuttgart in one piece :P
[09:20] <jussi> Riddell: I hope I dont end up in some yucky little russion village...
[09:20] <yofel> I've got no time to do something with it though
[09:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw what was the flag to pass to get pbuilder to not build arch-all targets?
[09:23] <yofel> --binary-arch
[09:26] <shadeslayer> thx
[09:29] <shadeslayer> huh weird
[09:29] <shadeslayer> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/opt/project-neon/lib/libkdecore.so.5.10.1', needed by `lib/libamarokshared.so.1.0.0'.  Stop.
[09:29] <shadeslayer> but I have /opt/project-neon/lib/libkdecore.so.5.11.0
[09:29]  * shadeslayer cleans out build dir
[09:29] <yofel> sounds like a broken cmake config file or so
[09:29] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:29] <yofel> or broken cache, yeah
[09:30] <yofel> does someone else get Distribution: Other when filing bugs on bugs.kde.org by default?
[09:31] <shadeslayer> yup
[09:31]  * yofel does an attempt to make that work...
[09:33] <shadeslayer> aha, I can reproduce the build failiure, and I was right
[09:53] <shadeslayer> hmm
[09:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: dh_install should automatically put any binaries in debian/tmp into a package if there's just one package right?
[09:54] <yofel> dh_install will put them into debian/<packagename>, there's no debian/tmp in single binary builds
[09:54] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:55] <shadeslayer> where's this documented? :P
[09:55] <yofel> uh....
[09:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: dh_auto_install manpage
[09:56] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[09:56] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[10:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/blue-shell/kfilebox-ubuntu/view/head:/debian/rules < is what I'm dealing with :P
[10:19] <shadeslayer> stupid thing doesnt' have a install targer
[10:19] <shadeslayer> *target
[10:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: uh... why is that completely replacing dh_install in the file o.O?
[10:50] <shadeslayer> don't ask me, I didn't make that :P
[10:51] <shadeslayer> infact, I'm fixing it
[10:51] <shadeslayer> but the source doesn't have a install target, so I have to override dh_auto_install
[11:13] <Darkwing> Morning
[11:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: hmm, any ideas why install -d ~/foo ~/bar doesn't work? (where foo and bar are directories _
[11:24] <yofel> nope, I haven't used install much
[11:27] <shadeslayer> meh, I'll just cp the files
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:35] <Darkwing> Morning BluesKaj
[11:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Darkwing
[11:45] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
[11:46] <Darkwing> seele: about kde notifications?
[11:47] <seele> Darkwing: yes, i am doing a usability study, so i'm asking people who use KDE about their notifications
[11:47] <seele> this is a follow-up to a study I did a few months ago
[11:47] <seele> for every interview I am donating $5 to the KDE e.v.
[11:47] <Darkwing> sure. :) PM?
[11:47] <seele> what time zone are you in?
[11:48] <Darkwing> Eastern US
[11:48] <Darkwing> UTC -4
[11:48] <seele> OK. i might be around tonight, I'll ping you later today
[11:48] <seele> (I'm in Eastern too)
[11:48] <Darkwing> I may not be...
[11:48] <Darkwing> I have my kids for the summer.
[11:48] <seele> ok no problem
[11:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/blue-shell/kfilebox-ubuntu/view/head:/debian/rules
[11:52] <shadeslayer> still doesn't install translations
[11:52] <shadeslayer> need to figure out how to manipulate install into installing dirs
[12:06] <Riddell> nobody want to help seele? rgreening you're a helpful sort
[12:06] <seele> Riddell: I'm interviewing michael__ from #kubuntu now.. but looking for one more person
[12:06]  * seele eyes rgreening
[12:12] <jussi> seele: ask idleone when he is about (elsewhere, not here) later this afternoon.
[12:13] <seele> jussi: will do, thanks
[12:13] <jussi> He is US timezoned, so probably need to wait until he wakes up
[12:15] <Riddell> ooh we're famous (in Italy at least) https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6K8rmHlVyTFellfbGF3QjF3bEE/edit?usp=sharing
[12:15] <BluesKaj> it's 8:14 AM in Canada (where idleone lives) , should be up by now , but probly on his way to work
[12:16] <BluesKaj> eastern Canada that is
[12:17] <Riddell> I'm quite proud of my italian there
[12:18] <seele> that picture makes you look like quite the inspiring speaker
[12:18] <seele> all action-man like
[12:19] <Riddell> it's the forward lean from the fourth nerve palsy giving me that extra gravitas
[12:20]  * BluesKaj shakes out the cobwebs ...what ?
[15:28] <markey> what's the -dbg package for QtScript4 ?
[15:29] <Riddell> markey: libqt4-dbg
[15:29] <markey> ah, thanks
[15:30] <markey> hm
[15:30] <markey> no, I already have that installed
[15:31] <yofel> markey: what's the exact filename?
[15:31] <yofel> all I find is a perl module by that name
[15:31] <yofel> in that case it would be perlqt-dbg
[15:31] <markey> #14 0x00007fe99e905aab in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtScript.so.4
[15:32] <yofel> hm, that's libqt4-dbg though...
[15:32] <markey> which I have
[15:33] <markey> there is a libqtscript5-dbg package
[15:33] <markey> but none for Qt4
[15:33]  * yofel wonders since when debugging symbols are named /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/a8/d7f5daf5c7e38853a2f5ab81f0abbf3d4558b3.debug o.O
[15:37] <Riddell> yofel: sometime in raring I think
[15:39] <yofel> fun, I can't install libqt4-qtscript-dbgsym without getting most of kde removed
[15:40] <debfx> yofel: build-id for debugging symbols are used since debhelper compat level 9
[15:40] <yofel> debfx: what's the improvement?
[15:41] <Mamarok> isn't there a separate package for QtScript? It is not part of the regular libqt stuff
[15:41] <yofel> markey: try libqt4-script-dbg
[15:42] <markey> yofel: cool, thanks
[15:42]  * yofel notes that looking at outdated packaging doesn't help...
[15:42] <markey> that was a bit confusing :)
[15:44] <debfx> yofel: idk, it's certainly useful when you have a debug package that contains symbols for a multiarch library and an executable
[15:46] <yofel> ah, for me it's http://xkcd.com/1172/ - because I was used to being able to find debug packages by feeding the library name into apt-file...
[15:46] <yofel> I guess I need an alternative for that...
[15:50] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:22] <debfx> yofel: readelf -n prints the build id
[16:25]  * yofel hugs debfx
[16:25] <yofel> thanks!
[16:36] <BluesKaj>  interesting when the reportbug gui crashes ..now that's gotta be a KDE glitch 
[18:15] <ahoneybun> seele: I'm up for the interview, I'll be on tonight from 9 or so to 11:30 UTC -4
[18:16] <seele> ahoneybun: ok, i will check with you later. i might be out tonight
[18:20] <ahoneybun> seele: np we'll get it sometime ;)
[19:21] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: hey
[19:22] <BluesKaj> hi ahoneybun
[19:28] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: how are you?
[19:39] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, have you taken a look at the Chromium how-to?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, i'm fine thanks , and you ?
[19:43] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: fine
[19:43] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I did not see anything
[19:43] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Hmm, ok, hold on a sec.
[19:43] <ahoneybun> k
[19:44] <lordievader> ahoneybun: http://paste.kde.org/752444/
[19:45] <ahoneybun> It look nice
[19:45] <ahoneybun> looks
[19:45] <lordievader> Thanks :)
[19:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: were you waiting on my approval to put it in?
[19:48] <lordievader> ahoneybun: No, logging in to the wiki seems to fail for me each time I try.
[19:49] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:49] <ahoneybun> my windows are moving really slow
[19:49] <ahoneybun> its weird
[19:50] <ahoneybun> lordievader: also the <b></b> do not work in the wiki
[19:50] <ahoneybun> MoinMoin uses something else
[19:50] <lordievader> Wasn't sure what the wiki uses, I've never edited it.
[19:51] <ahoneybun> '''How-to'''
[19:51] <ahoneybun> Yea just saying :)
[19:52] <ahoneybun> brb
[19:55] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I'm working on putting it in, also I'm going to reword it for the opera as well
[20:00] <lordievader> Ah I get an error when trying to log in: Proxy error... The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server."
[20:01] <lordievader> Oh hey, I'm logged in, that's odd.
[20:02] <yofel> once you're logged into the ubuntu wiki, don't log out. logging in is a PITA
[20:02] <lordievader> yofel: I noticed...
[20:03] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Shall I add my bit?
[20:07] <ahoneybun> lordievader: go ahead if you can
[20:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I'll see if I can  ;)
[20:11] <lordievader> Done :D
[20:12] <ahoneybun> wonderful!
[20:17] <ahoneybun> I also moved it around and copied it to the Opera section
[20:17] <lordievader> :)
[20:20] <ahoneybun> :)
[20:23] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Perhaps the firefox how-to should get some numbered steps too, for sake of consistency.
[20:29] <ahoneybun> lordievader: good idea, want to work on that?
[20:29] <ahoneybun> does not matter to me
[20:30] <lordievader> Sure, I'll get right on it :)
[20:33] <ahoneybun> awesome
[20:34] <lordievader> And done.
[20:34] <ahoneybun> great
[20:46] <ahoneybun> has anyone installed Linux on the chromebook
[20:46] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:46] <ahoneybun> s?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> I have guy asking about systemd is 13.10 ...is this the case ?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> in 13.10
[21:11] <yofel> partly as far as I know, we'll be using systemd-udevd instead of udevd, we'll get logind, but core init system will stay upstart. That's what I remember at least
[21:11] <yofel> I'm not really sure about udev
[21:12]  * Peace- used windwos 8 till now
[21:13] <ahoneybun> yofel: why are we still using upstart>
[21:13] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:13] <mikhas> because it would be quite some effort perhaps to change the boot system, without clear benefits?
[21:15] <ahoneybun> mikhas: I mean what are the benefits of upstart vs anything else
[21:15] <yofel> ahoneybun: I haven't followed the discussion completely. It's what mikhas said + politics I believe
[21:17] <ahoneybun> bbl /away
[21:23] <jessie> vHanda: You around?
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> I asked this in #qt and in #kde-devel and got no answer.
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> I want to ask you guys for an opinion. I have a project for school that measures the speed of different operations using different databases (MySQL, SQLite, Oracle, etc.) and displays them. What widget should I use to display the results in? Here is my current design: http://postimg.org/image/k78j0bpg5/ . The digital output is for single DB test. The Results frame is for all the buttons in the "Run all" frame.  The results will contain the 
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> DB name and the time it took to perform the operation(s). What would you propose that I use? I was thinking at 5 list views.
[21:32] <soee> hm i think when browser loading flash content, kded4 eats all free memory
[22:07] <jessie> ovidiu-florin: I would use some sort of table. Not sure what QT provides widget wise, but I'm sure there's a table of some sort.
[22:07] <jessie> ovidiu-florin: Something like this: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/sql-tablemodel.html
[22:47] <ahoneybun_> hey valorie
[22:50] <ahoneybun_> howdy all
[23:04] <valorie> greets
[23:05] <ahoneybun_> how is everything
[23:05] <ahoneybun_> ?
[23:06] <valorie> cool
[23:06] <valorie> went with my son and hubby to see ironman3 last evening
[23:06] <valorie> really fun film
[23:06] <ahoneybun_> valorie: lordievader and palasso made a few changes/tweaks/fixes to the pages
[23:06] <shadeslayer> really?
[23:07] <valorie> I noticed that
[23:07] <valorie> awesome to see more people helping out
[23:07] <valorie> shadeslayer: really what?
[23:07] <ahoneybun_> I kinda want to see that and hangover 3
[23:07] <shadeslayer> I thought Iron man was crap :P
[23:07] <valorie> I haven't seen the first two
[23:07] <valorie> I hear the last one was rather bad
[23:07] <valorie> son said this was the best of them
[23:08] <shadeslayer> ah, I had a choice between Iron Man and Star Trek
[23:08] <valorie> and did you like ST?
[23:08] <shadeslayer> went for Star Trek, turned out it borrows heavily from Wrath of Khan
[23:08] <valorie> I stopped seeing those movies awhile back, when they got BAD
[23:09] <shadeslayer> but if you haven't seen wrath of khan, you'll like it
[23:09] <valorie> I've seen not only the wrath of khan, but the ep it was based on
[23:09] <valorie> lol
[23:10] <shadeslayer> haha
[23:10] <valorie> that field has been plowed
[23:10] <shadeslayer> then you'll be able to predict what happens :P
[23:11] <shadeslayer> valorie: they even copied the iconic "khaaaaaaaaaannnn"
[23:13] <valorie> well, plot isn't *that* important, unless it's so ridiculous you can't buy into it even in the theater
[23:13] <valorie> Oblivion was a fun watch, if ridic.
[23:13] <shadeslayer> :O
[23:13]  * shadeslayer thinks the plot is the most important thing
[23:13] <valorie> and that pre-aliens thing last year-- really fun watch
[23:13] <ahoneybun_> valorie: I also love that people are jumping in to help as well, I would your thoughts on the Basic page
[23:13] <valorie> totally hosed plot
[23:14] <valorie> can't recall the title, but I saw it on a huge screen, and it looked so cool
[23:14] <shadeslayer> anyway, time to watch the doctor
[23:14] <valorie> heh
[23:14] <shadeslayer> valorie: imax
[23:14] <valorie> I'll look at the basics page in sec, ahoneybun_
[23:15] <valorie> right, imax, but i can't recall the name of the film
[23:15] <shadeslayer> ah
[23:15] <valorie> markey went on rant after rant about the plot
[23:15] <shadeslayer> <3 imax
[23:16] <valorie> yes, for that type of film it's excellent
[23:16] <ahoneybun_> valorie: np thanks
[23:16] <shadeslayer> wait, no new doctor who? /o\
[23:17] <shadeslayer> no Game of Thrones, no Doctor Who
[23:17] <shadeslayer> what has this world come to
[23:22] <ScottK> Started accepting 4.10.3 for raring-proposed.
[23:23] <ahoneybun_> ScottK: once it is released do we purge the kubuntu-ppa or just update with muon like normal?
[23:24] <ScottK> ahoneybun_: Update like normal.
[23:24] <shadeslayer> drat drat drat
[23:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: did you accept kde4libs?
[23:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I did.
[23:25] <shadeslayer> did you check if it had the CVE patch attached?
[23:25] <ScottK> I did and it does.
[23:25] <shadeslayer> oh phew
[23:26] <valorie> shadeslayer: the season is over, isn't it?
[23:26]  * valorie is watching really really old eps instead
[23:26] <shadeslayer> valorie: apparently
[23:26] <shadeslayer> -> sad
[23:27] <valorie> like: the first doctor
[23:27] <valorie> I have to get them on dvd, but the extras are cool
[23:28] <valorie> bbc america had some mashups as well: the best of the companions, the best monsters, etc.
[23:28] <valorie> fun look back
[23:29] <ahoneybun_> ScottK: ok cool
[23:56] <ahoneybun__> ?
[23:57] <ahoneybun__> shadeslayer: season 7 just ended