[00:01] <seele> ahoneybun: in place of paying people to participate in my study, i am making donations to the kde e.v.
[00:01] <seele> ahoneybun: i will be doing more interviews tomorrow if you are interested in participating
[00:07] <Linusnewb> so one problem is fixed second prob is can't find the key for /var/cache/apt/archives/lock so ı can't use apt-get autoremove..
[00:13] <musca> Linusnewb: did you try sudo?
[00:21] <Linusnewb> musca yes
[00:24] <Linusnewb> auto remove must delete linux-headers-3.8.0-19 linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic
[00:35] <musca> Linusnewb: you can check status with: apt-mark showmanual linux-headers-3.8.0-19 linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic
[00:36] <musca> it will list those packages that are installed manually - they are not removable with autoremove
[00:38] <Linusnewb> why not I had installed via muon package manager before?
[00:39] <musca> Linusnewb: autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed.
[00:40] <musca> citation from man apt-get that i am reading for you
[00:43] <Legits> I'm having issues with my initramfs.
[00:45] <Legits> I just installed Kubuntu over a LUKS-encrypted LVM partition on a GPT table.
[00:46] <Legits> I managed to reinstall lvm2 and cryptsetup from a live CD, but the system still doesn't know how to boot everything up.
[00:47] <musca> are you following a howto?
[00:48] <Legits> I used a guide to reinstall the two packages.
[00:48] <Legits> I didn't need a guide to set up LUKS or LVM or to install.
[00:49] <Legits> I just installed Arch on my main box using the same setup. Everything works fine on the Arch box, but Ubuntu's initramfs files are quite a bit different.
[00:51] <Legits> With Arch, you can add or remove hooks easily by just editing /etc/mkinitcpio.conf. I can't figure out how to do the same with Ubuntu. When I reinstalled lvm2, nothing appeared to change. When I reinstalled cryptsetup, I could get to the Kubuntu splash screen before it would drop down to an initramfs terminal.
[01:14] <Legits> I realized that I needed to indicate GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= in /etc/default/grub. It didn't fix the problem with initramfs. I'm not sure what else to do.
[01:37] <Linusnewb> hah I have found ps -e | grep -e apt -e adept | grep -v grep
[01:38] <Linusnewb> I have kill some processes and it worksand autoremove was aible to remove the extra packages :P
[04:55] <Shubuntu> hey guys does anyone here have problem connecting to facebook chat and watching youtube vids on firefox?
[04:57] <Aethysius> No; I use Chromium. I find it to be faster.
[04:57] <Shubuntu> you mean chrome?
[04:58] <Shubuntu> oh chromium-browser
[04:58] <Shubuntu> ok i'll check that out
[04:59] <fractaline> Shubuntu, it's good
[05:00] <Aethysius> Yeah, it's p good.
[05:01] <fractaline> i find it best for most things
[05:03] <Shubuntu> ok so it's not the browser's fault aparently
[05:03] <Shubuntu> i still cannot connect
[05:03] <Shubuntu> could it be iptables?
[05:03] <Shubuntu> or is it flash?
[05:12] <Shubuntu> heh, it was flash's fault
[05:12] <Shubuntu> removed flash, installed gnash and it's working just fine
[05:13] <Shubuntu> well youtube is
[05:13] <fractaline> interesting
[05:13] <Shubuntu> facebook still disconnects after a few seconds
[07:38] <bada> 老子爽死了
[10:08] <michael__> just testing the chat
[10:16] <yossarianuk> I really hope the latest kernel updates have fixed kubuntu 13.04
[10:16] <yossarianuk> its tje most buggy OS I have ever used.
[10:17] <yossarianuk> Computer was only booting up/shutting down 50% of the timer
[10:17] <yossarianuk> *time*
[10:17] <yossarianuk> archlinux was far far more stable and that's rolling release.
[10:17] <yossarianuk> its not just 1 machine either - several.
[11:26] <michael__> i have never tried arch - i hear it takes some time to set up but is very stable when ready
[11:27] <yossarianuk> the point is trhe kubuntu 'should' be more stable
[11:27] <yossarianuk> 13.04 hasn;t been so far
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:33] <fractaline> hey BluesKaj ,  still pondering a clean install of 13.04 64bit.   i can't tell how much ubuntu i have leftover that i don't need/want
[11:34] <fractaline> i did remove ubuntu desktop but i still seem to have a bunch of gtk stuff that doesn't seem needed
[11:43] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> fractaline, there is going to be some gtk libs needed for certain apps , but the pure kde command at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekubuntu , should be written for 13.04 soon.
[11:51] <fractaline> yeah, i don't mind the gtk stuff it's just that i'm not sure what is leftovers and what is part of kubuntu
[11:53] <michael__> im not sure if i use kde notifications
[11:53] <michael__> do you mean when it tells you you have updates, or an app crashed
[11:54] <BluesKaj> fractaline, once that purekde command is available , you can run it , but don't be concerned about a few gtk libs as long as kubuntu is running well
[11:55] <BluesKaj> they're stlll part of the same ubuntu core/kernel
[11:55] <fractaline> i'm not ...  not really having any issues.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> good
[11:56] <seele> michael__: i mean any of the notifications that popup, chat from friends, new updates, download completes, etc.
[11:56] <michael__> aaah yes - im familiar with them - although i dont use all of kdes integrated apps
[11:57] <michael__> like i use firefox instead of reconq
[11:57] <michael__> deluge instead of ktorrent
[11:57] <michael__> etc etc
[11:57] <seele> that's ok.. i'm sure you still get some notifications
[11:57] <seele> if you have 30 minutes, i will donate $5 to the kde e.v. for your participation
[11:57] <fractaline> one thing though...   in cairo dock the shortcuts applet does not work.  it says "failed to mount "  for all the locations
[11:58] <fractaline> i can't seem to get it to use dolphin or any other file browser
[11:59] <fractaline> kinda off topic...
[11:59] <michael__> yes okay - what do you want me to do?
[12:00] <seele> michael__: see private message
[12:06] <BluesKaj> fractaline, did you install cairo dock after you installed kubuntu-desktop?
[12:06] <fractaline> i did reinstall but didn't seem to help
[12:07] <fractaline> maybe remove then install?
[12:08] <fractaline> or purge?
[12:08] <fractaline> still getting to konw cli
[12:10] <BluesKaj> when installing , check suggested packages in the terminal text , sometimes they're helpful , sabe having to look in muon for related packages that might make a difference
[12:11] <BluesKaj> sabe=saves
[12:13] <fractaline> BluesKaj, another thing i've noticed is some widget/panel misbehavior, e.g. autohide not working , widgets not resizing/ moving properly...
[12:13] <fractaline> little stuff
[12:13] <BluesKaj> it's beyond my experience ...haven't used cairo dock in yrs
[12:17] <fractaline> BluesKaj, the truth is i was expecting cairo to act up ...
[12:17] <fractaline> lol
[12:18] <BluesKaj> the plasma panel provides all the launchers, taskbar ,trays etc that i need
[12:19] <fractaline> it's great... super custom!
[12:20] <fractaline> although the misbehavior i mentioned before was with the plasma setup
[12:20] <fractaline> i don't mind ,  just obsevations...
[12:21] <fractaline> observations
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, odd because I'm testing 13.10 atm ,and the panel is very stable
[12:22] <BluesKaj> so far
[12:22] <fractaline> is that available?
[12:22] <fractaline> beta?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> not even alpha yet afaik , I just update/upgrade/dist-upgrade everyday ...haven't looked at the release schedule in a while
[12:23] <fractaline> i'm about to install 13.04 on my wife's pc.
[12:24] <fractaline> wow, ok .   everyday huh?
[12:24] <fractaline> cool
[12:27] <BluesKaj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[12:28] <BluesKaj> wife plays games not available on linux , otherwise I could probly talk her into kubuntu due to it's security
[12:29] <BluesKaj> but WE7 is the best MS OS so far and it seems to be pretty stable , like XP was/is
[12:30] <BluesKaj> W7
[12:30] <fractaline> yeah we put w8 on and it is a joke
[12:31] <fractaline> 7 was at least stable
[12:31] <fractaline> but yuck
[12:32] <BluesKaj> I have W7 on a separate HDD on this pc , with some KDE apps so I can run konversation etc .. gotta keep up with the 90% :)
[12:34] <BluesKaj> well at least I have vpn working on windows ...seems like steep learning curve on linux
[12:35] <fractaline> i know nothing about networks/networking
[12:39] <BluesKaj> in some ways it's very configurable , but the remote tunneling like vpn etc can get real confuding real fast with all the different protocols that have absolutely not understandable manuals available ...like I said yesterday the mans availabele in the terminal are written by geeks who describe a pencil as awriting tool for ppl without computers.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> confudidlng...a new word :)
[12:56] <fractaline> :D
[12:59] <BluesKaj> fractaline, I have a stable 13.04 partition in case this OS crashes and becomes unusable
[13:01] <fractaline> nice
[13:01] <BluesKaj> forgot to mention that ...testing an OS requires a fallback OS
[13:02] <fractaline> i have a partition that has mint 13 atm as well as one for winblows.  i was thinking of dedicating the mint one to /home...
[13:03] <fractaline> i keep a bootable usb of some description around ... just  in case
[13:04] <fractaline> it's about 70gig
[13:05] <BluesKaj> mint is a nice stable OS for those who need stability and it works well
[13:06] <BluesKaj> having a /home partition has it's advantages
[13:07] <fractaline> it was pretty good.   i had a heap of issues with mint that i later attributed to compiz and or cairo.
[13:08] <fractaline> i should boot into it again...
[13:08] <BluesKaj> reinstalling an OS to / speeds up the installation a lot when you already have a /home already setup
[13:08] <fractaline> i have 3 kids and not always much time to play with os's
[13:09]  * BluesKaj is repeating himself again ...another sign of ageing :P
[13:09] <fractaline> but i do like  to tinker
[13:09] <fractaline> learning heaps from all this
[13:10] <BluesKaj> my kids are grown and gone ..we're empty nesters, and retired
[13:10]  * fractaline is jealous
[13:10] <fractaline> kidding,  i love my kid time
[13:11] <fractaline> our youngest is 5,  we have a ways to go  :)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> fractaline, a couple of commands that you may want to run periodaically after update/upgradeand dist-upgrade is sudo apt-get autoremove and autoclean , that keeps your OS and system from bloating up
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta do some checking , bbl
[14:01]  * Teloriun tests.
[14:06] <snikker> i'm trying to install kubuntu 13.04 (uefi mode) but the installer crash at grub-install.... can you help meplease?
[15:29] <ct529> hi everybody anyone there?
[15:32] <ct529> libreoffice segfaults every time you try to save a document on 13.04 at 64 bit
[15:50] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:56] <ct529> lordievader: good afternoon
[15:57] <lordievader> Hey ct529, how are you?
[15:57] <ct529> testing the new 13.04 ....
[15:57] <silv3r_m00n> when i start my system everyday, the programs that were left open last day open back, is this called hibernation ?
[15:57] <ct529> and you ?
[15:59] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: It is probably 'session restore', see System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Session Management
[15:59] <lordievader> ct529: I'm doing good :)
[15:59] <lordievader> Testing 13.10 ;)
[15:59] <silv3r_m00n> lordievader: then what is hibernation ?
[15:59] <Legits> Silver, either you're going into hibernation mode (as opposed to shutting down), or you need to change your session settings.
[16:00] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: Hibernation saves the state of the pc to disk, and reload that state on restore.
[16:00] <silv3r_m00n> means its more than session restore
[16:00] <Legits> Go to System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Session Management.
[16:01] <Legits> Make sure you have the option to start with an empty session selected.
[16:01] <silv3r_m00n> no no, its good to get back all apps without effort
[16:01] <silv3r_m00n> i saw it, restore session is checked atm
[16:02] <Legits> I like the middle option. You can choose whether or not you want it to restore your previous session. You have to remember to save it before you log out though.
[16:02] <Legits> Or you can just select the new session option at login.
[16:03] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: Yes hibernation is more that session restore. Session restore simply opens the programs that were open when you powered down the machine. Restore from hibernate restores the entire session.
[16:03] <silv3r_m00n> i selected restore previous session
[16:03] <silv3r_m00n> cant see the hibernate option in kde
[16:03] <Legits> Then if you ever want a new session without changing that setting, there should be an option on the login screen.
[16:04] <silv3r_m00n> hmm
[16:04] <Legits> I don't know about hibernation. I never use it. There might be a keyboard shortcut.
[16:06] <lordievader> For hibernation to work you need a swap partition.
[16:06] <ct529> lordievader: 13:10 already?
[16:07] <lordievader> ct529: :)
[16:10] <Legits> I'm still having issues with my initramfs. Anyone know about that?
[16:11] <lordievader> Legits: What kind of error are you seeing?
[16:11] <Legits> Well, I just installed over a LUKS/LVM/GPT.
[16:12] <Legits> I can't boot up at all. I get to right before the login screen, and then it gives up.
[16:12] <lordievader> Legits: If you can get to X I don't think it is initramfs, more something like init.
[16:12] <Legits> I went back into the live CD and reinstalled lvm2 and cryptsetup onto the LVM partition. update-initramfs doesn't do anything.
[16:13] <Legits> You can see the exact message I get here: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?62859-Broken-initramfs
[16:14] <lordievader> Legits: I'm sorry I don't know enough about LVM to help you :(
[16:16] <Legits> I just installed Arch over the same setup, and I had to add the hooks "lvm" and "encrypt" to initramfs in order to get it to boot the encrypted partition.
[16:16] <Legits> I can't figure out how to do the same thing in K/ubuntu.
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: why do you need swap for hibernation?
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> oh...
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> dumb question
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> :))
[16:46] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: That is where he stores the state.
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> I've realised that after I've asked
[16:47] <lordievader> Hehe ;)
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> how are you lordievader
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[16:48] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Doing good, how about yourself?
[16:48] <skreech_> lordievader: do you need more swap than you have RAM? or would it compress it?
[16:49] <lordievader> skreech_: Usually 1.5 x ram is recommended. However I don't know where that figure came from.
[16:51] <ovidiu-florin> eh, fine, at work again. Presented an android <-> PHP project today at school :D
[16:51] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: You haven't had any freezes lately?
[16:51] <ovidiu-florin> it was incomplete, so I didn't get a very good grade
[16:52] <ovidiu-florin> not since I've reinstalled and used only noveau
[16:52] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Ok nice, good to hear. Too bad about the project though :(
[16:53] <lordievader> Gotta eat, be back in a bit.
[16:58] <skreech_> lordievader: Man that must suck when you have 32 GB of RAM
[17:38] <lordievader> skreech_: No real need for swap if you have 32 GB of ram, unless you really need to hibernate.
[17:50] <yofel> lordievader: for hibernate you usually only need as much swap as much RAM is currently in use, and there was at least one swap implementation that supported compression.
[17:51] <yofel> as for the 1.5x, that's from the days when you always had something in swap. Today it really depends on the system (my notebook has 8G RAM and 2G swap, my server has 4G RAM and 24G swap)
[17:52] <yofel> skreech_: ^
[17:53] <skreech_> yofel: What's the server run?
[17:54] <yofel> skreech_: what's it doing? Many things, the swap is mostly to catch run-away processes during package builds as it serves as a buildd and to allow for over-provisioned tmpfs mounts.
[18:01] <skreech_> yofel: whats your peak usage
[18:06] <yofel> skreech_: ~18G. Average is ~2G
[18:07] <skreech_> yeah thinking of upping my swap to 8G
[18:08] <yofel> it was originally 12G which is the size of the swap partition. I added a 12G swapfile later
[18:10] <BluesKaj> i haven't seen my 5G swap in use yet
[18:11] <yofel> as I said, it depends on the use case. Also, if you don't have a SSD but a fast CPU, zram-config might be worth a try too
[18:24] <skreech_> yofel: didn't want to make a partition for the other swapfile?
[18:24] <yofel> I had no unpartitioned space left
[19:12] <butta> Guys
[19:12] <butta> I can't tick the wireless
[19:12] <butta> anyone knows something?
[19:15] <lordievader> butta: Run "sudo rfkill list" and see if something is blocked.
[19:16] <butta> I'm going to reboot, thank you lordievader
[19:41] <Senjai>  fcuhow do i "Check for updates"
[19:41] <Senjai> how*
[19:42] <lordievader> Senjai: Do you want the GUI-way or the CLI-way?
[19:53] <Senjai> lordievader: either
[19:54] <Senjai> like to update the distro itself..
[19:54] <lordievader> Senjai: You mean from 12.10 to 13.04 or something?
[19:56] <Senjai> lordievader: 12.04 to 13.04, yeah
[19:56] <Senjai> last time I tried it said it failed.
[19:57] <lordievader> Senjai: I think you first need to go to 12.10 if you want to go to 13.04. But anyhow I only know the cli-way for that.
[19:57] <lordievader> Open a terminal and run, "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[19:59] <Senjai> lordievader: just a caution, I heard 13.04 had issues with wireless adapters
[20:00] <lordievader> Senjai: I haven't had any issues yet with 13.04 + wireless.
[20:00] <Jonathan_> can any one tell me how to chang mod on a file in the konsole
[20:00] <Senjai> lordievader:  alright, its running now
[20:00] <Senjai> lordievader: Cheers :)
[20:01] <lordievader> Senjai: Might be that you have to upgrade to 13.04 in two steps, like I said. So don't be surprised to be running 12.10 when it's finished ;)
[20:01] <Senjai> I wont be
[20:01] <Senjai> Shouldnt have any issues with backwards compatability with my applications right?
[20:01] <Senjai> This is the first time i've been upgrading rather than installing fresh
[20:01] <Jonathan_> does any one know the command to change mod a file in the terminal konsole
[20:02] <lordievader> Senjai: You shouldn't have any troubles.
[20:02] <Senjai> 1.6 gigs
[20:02] <Senjai> should be the major version
[20:02] <lordievader> Jonathan_: What do you mean with mod a file?
[20:04] <Jonathan_> yes changing permissions on a file
[20:04] <Jonathan_> in the terminal
[20:05] <lordievader> Jonathan_: Ah, chmod. To read how to use it "man chmod"
[20:06] <Jonathan_> ok thanks
[20:15] <gilles_> bonsoir
[20:16] <lordievader> gilles_: Hello
[20:16] <lordievader> !france
[20:30] <delilah> Hello. I am wondering if it is possible to have too many repositories enabled in software sources; It seems that updates may have broken my system.
[20:31] <delilah> I am afraid I cannot be very specific about what kinds of problems I have encountered; they vary between startups.
[22:26] <Senjai> How do I change my screen resolution? After the update I feel like I can't find the app to do it
[23:39] <monkeyjuice> Senjai: click kickoff , type screen in search box, pick size and orientation
[23:39] <Senjai>  monkeyjuice its not there
[23:39] <monkeyjuice> hmmm
[23:47] <rednekrage> wow, that's a lot of peops
[23:48] <rednekrage> question regarding steam and kubuntu
[23:51] <rednekrage> Muon doesn't recognize the .deb package for Steam