[06:11] <dpm> good morning all
[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <popey> Morning.
[07:56] <dholbach> hey popey
[08:06] <dholbach> dpm, hi Alter
[08:06] <dholbach> dpm, kurz Zeit für 'nen Hangout?
[09:04] <dholbach> dpm, unping - seb128 gave me the details
[09:22] <dpm> ok, alles klar :)
[09:38] <dholbach> do we know how often status.u.c is updated?
[10:46] <dpm> dholbach, I don't know, it used to be hourly quite a while ago, but I'm not sure nowadays. cjohnston should know ^
[10:46] <dholbach> yeah, it's fine
[10:46] <dholbach> I still had to approve them, not only set the series goal
[14:07] <cjohnston> i think every two hours
[14:12] <dholbach> dpm, if the "core apps" are "core apps", how do we call the other apps, like "gallery"? :)
[14:13] <dpm> dholbach, we've been vaguely calling them "system apps"
[14:13] <popey> yup
[14:13] <dholbach> ok
[14:13] <popey> we should rename them again ☻
[14:14]  * dpm has run out of names ;)
[14:14] <dholbach> because we realised during the uds session, that the super project (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview) wasn't documented anywhere
[14:14] <dholbach> and I just added it to Touch/Contribute
[14:14] <dholbach> maybe it'd be worth mentioning it on the Core Apps page too - just to make sure people know where to check for "those other apps"? :)
[14:16] <jcastro> HI POPEY
[14:16] <popey> HELLO JORGE!
[14:17] <dpm> dholbach, there is a link here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute but we could probably do a better job
[14:17] <dholbach> dpm, yeah, I just made a few edits
[14:17] <dholbach> on the /Contribute page
[14:18] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:18] <jono> hey dholbach
[14:19] <dholbach> jono, having a good time off? :)
[14:19] <jono> dholbach, yes indeed
[14:19] <jono> awesome seeing my parents
[14:19] <dholbach> great :)
[14:19] <jono> :-)
[14:20] <jono> dholbach, looks like the c.u.c site is really coming together
[14:20] <dholbach> yeah, we're getting there
[14:20] <jono> dholbach, one general piece of feedback I have though is that there is too much text
[14:20] <jono> it needs making more concise
[14:20] <dholbach> yeah, that's the hardest part :)
[14:21] <dholbach> but I realise that we have a few walls of text
[14:21] <jono> dholbach, as an example, below the birds on the main page
[14:21] <jono> that should be moved to other pages
[14:21] <jcastro> is an example site up somewhere?
[14:21] <dholbach> jcastro, http://91.189.93.108/
[14:21] <dholbach> jono, thanks - I'll take care of it
[14:21] <jcastro> maybe pics where the whitespace is?
[14:22] <jcastro> of people/locos doing cool stuff?
[14:22] <jono> dholbach, cool
[14:22] <dholbach> jcastro, yes, that's planned
[14:22] <dholbach> pleia2 is looking for some nice pictures
[14:22] <jono> dholbach, also, we may want to break up http://91.189.93.108/contribute/developers/
[14:22] <jono> can we have sub-nav pages?
[14:22] <jcastro> oh, nice pic on that one
[14:22] <jono> so you click Developers and then there are sub-pages with Packaging, Programming, and Porting
[14:22] <jono> ?
[14:22] <dholbach> jono, yes, I think that should be possible somehow, but I need to find out how
[14:22] <jono> that wouild be neater
[14:22] <jcastro> other than Jos staring out into space for no reason, lol.
[14:23] <jono> and then the main Developers page can just provide a single paragraph overview of Packaging, Programming, and Porting and then link to the sub-pages
[14:23] <dholbach> right
[14:23] <jcastro> dholbach: also on that page it says JuJu, it's either juju or Juju, never the camelcase </trademark>
[14:23] <jono> dholbach, I think that will be much neater and easier to read
[14:23] <jono> thanks dholbach
[14:23] <jono> dholbach, are you wanting feedback as filed bugs?
[14:24] <dholbach> jono, in the future yes, for now, we can just use http://pad.ubuntu.com/aNBBojgxJg
[14:24] <jcastro> dholbach: actually, can I redo the little Juju section?
[14:24]  * jcastro finds it on lp
[14:24] <dholbach> jcastro, please do - do you want the markdown text for it?
[14:24] <jcastro> is it on lp?
[14:25] <jono> thanks dholbach
[14:25] <dholbach> jcastro, it's a wordpress site
[14:25] <jcastro> oh oh
[14:25] <jcastro> well, I can either do the raw text or edit it right in, up to you
[14:25] <dholbach> jcastro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710352/
[14:26] <dholbach> jono, thanks - I noted it all down and will take care of it
[14:26] <jono> thanks dholbach
[14:26] <dholbach> jono, oh, and I moved in here for my office now: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SbmdEeQRHk0/UaOmxi7tSpI/AAAAAAAAFUc/LWFkIUBOKZw/w1044-h434-no/IMAG0472.jpg :-)
[14:26] <dholbach> all happy Ubuntu users, although I saw a machine running windows
[14:26] <jono> dholbach, oh nice! :-)
[14:26] <jono> that looks sweet
[14:27] <dholbach> yeah, working together with friends who also work in open source
[14:27] <dholbach> I'd show you guys around in a hangout, but I'm tied to ethernet right now as somebody is still figuring out the access point :)
[14:29] <jcastro> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710362/
[14:29] <jcastro> dholbach: I wanted to outline the "any language" aspect
[14:29] <jcastro> since that's huge for new contributors
[14:29] <jcastro> no need to learn a new language!
[14:29] <dholbach> jcastro, updated
[14:29] <dholbach> thanks
[15:56] <philipballew> Good morning
[16:04] <dholbach> all rightie - see you tomorrow!
[17:27] <jcastro> bkerensa: rackspace's cloud isn't close enough to trunk openstack
[17:27] <jcastro> but when it is, it'll be an easy config
[17:28] <jcastro> someone is trying it right now
[17:44] <dpm> ok, finally calling it a day, see you all tomorrow!
[21:27] <jcastro> anyone around?
[21:33] <popey> yes
[21:39] <cjohnston> no
[21:39] <bkerensa> no
[21:46] <daker> no
[21:49] <jcastro> http://15.185.233.27/
[21:50] <jcastro> so ....
[21:50] <jcastro> no DNS yet
[21:50] <jcastro> but TLDR
[21:50] <jcastro> I'm kicking the tires on discourse
[21:53] <pleia2> I recognise that ip space
[21:53] <pleia2> (is that sad?)
[21:53] <jcastro> HP CLOUD
[21:53] <jcastro> NICE WORK.
[21:53] <pleia2> haha
[21:53] <jcastro> spinning shit up on openstack <--- never gets old
[21:53] <popey> create topic button doesn't work in the categories view
[21:53] <pleia2> jcastro: truth
[21:53] <jcastro> that's because you can't create a topic there
[21:54] <jcastro> popey: also, we're running trunk lol
[21:54] <marcoceppi> interesting bug
[21:56] <marcoceppi> popey: reported against upstream
[21:56] <cjohnston> What are we discorsing?
[21:56] <jcastro> hey so I think this is way better than vbulletin
[21:56] <jcastro> so we set one up
[21:56] <jcastro> going to let the community kick the tires
[21:56] <jcastro> and see where it goes
[21:56] <cjohnston> I like it better already.. feels current
[21:57] <jcastro> don't post/tweet it yet
[21:57] <jcastro> I need a real domain name
[21:57] <jcastro> so waiting on IS for that
[21:57] <jcastro> so likely tomorrow
[21:57] <cjohnston> good luck
[21:57] <jcastro> I've got responses already and ready to go
[21:57] <cjohnston> cool
[21:58] <jcastro> not my fault you can't talk to IS. :p
[21:58] <jcastro> do you guys want to post a few example topics? Get a feel for it?
[21:58] <jcastro> so others can respond etc?
[21:58]  * popey creates http://15.185.233.27/t/what-generic-apps-should-ubuntu-phone-ship-with/15
[21:59] <popey> to see what happens when people reply
[21:59] <popey> and to try formatting
[21:59] <jcastro> markdown baby
[21:59] <jcastro> aquarius: ping
[21:59] <popey> is mail from that box working?
[21:59] <popey> (no)
[21:59] <jcastro> lol cloud and SMTP
[21:59] <jcastro> the great challenge
[22:00] <marcoceppi> it *should* be
[22:00] <popey> i changed my email address and it sent me a notification
[22:00] <popey> not got it yet
[22:01]  * marcoceppi pokes
[22:03] <jcastro> popey: a precursory scan of the CSS tells me we could make this look real nice design wise
[22:05] <marcoceppi> restarting discourse to fix email
[22:06] <jcastro> hah nginx
[22:06] <jcastro> marcoceppi: you know IS's want apache
[22:07] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I know :( It's on my short list for charm todos
[22:07] <marcoceppi> it'll be a config option like in the WP charm
[22:10] <jcastro> marcoceppi: just got sluggish
[22:10] <marcoceppi> jcastro: it's restarting (again)
[22:10] <marcoceppi> upgrade-charm, the double-edged sword
[22:10] <jcastro> scumbag ruby
[22:10] <jcastro> takes too long
[22:11] <marcoceppi> should be the last restart for a while
[22:12] <jcastro> Sorry, new users can't put images in posts.
[22:12] <jcastro> when I try to post a SS
[22:15] <marcoceppi> popey: emailing fixed, thanks for the heads up
[22:15] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'll poke at the options. Should be configurable
[22:16] <jcastro> marcoceppi: oh, I went from mod to new user
[22:16] <jcastro> there's probably some post threshold
[22:16] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, there's a "newuser_max_images" which was 0. Increased that
[22:17] <jcastro> pleia2: wanna post something?
[22:17] <jcastro> "HOLY CRAP HP CLOUD" or somesuch?
[22:17] <popey> marcoceppi: still no mails arriving
[22:17] <pleia2> well sure
[22:17] <marcoceppi> popey: You might have to wait a few, not sure when the retry will be
[22:18] <popey> i tried changing again to force a new mail
[22:19] <jcastro> no one noticed the amazing ubuntu SSO integration?
[22:20] <pleia2> it was pretty smooth
[22:20] <pleia2> well done
[22:22] <jcastro> that was all marcoceppi
[22:22] <jcastro> pleia2: did you upload a picture or was all that automagic?
[22:23] <popey> it uses gravatar doesnt it?
[22:23] <popey> which for me fails because I used login.ubuntu.com which uses my canonical address which has no piccy
[22:23] <popey> so i tried to change address to popey which does
[22:23] <pleia2> jcastro: automagic
[22:23] <popey> hence email fail
[22:23] <jcastro> popey: that sounds fixable
[22:23] <pleia2> popey: must do, it's not my lp photo
[22:24] <marcoceppi> popey: It shows as sending and email 7 mins ago. You might need to check spam
[22:25] <popey> ah, my bad, I have 3 mails in spam ⍨
[22:25] <popey> sorry
[22:25] <marcoceppi> popey: yeah, it's just using sendmail, aka sendspam, I'll hook it up to a real smtp server later
[22:25] <jcastro> are they blah@ipaddress?
[22:25] <jcastro> those are probably spamfilterable
[22:25] <jcastro> in real life they'd come from real domains
[22:25] <marcoceppi> jcastro: "info@discourse.org"
[22:25] <popey> info@discourse.org
[22:25] <jcastro> stay classy defaults
[22:26] <jcastro> marcoceppi: way snappier since we tested it last
[22:26] <jcastro> did you deploy the redis stuff?
[22:27] <marcoceppi> jcastro: no, this is just an xsmall
[22:27] <marcoceppi> If we need to scale, I'll throw in the redis server. Otherwise it just runs redis on the local unit
[22:30] <jcastro> popey: your gravatar works again
[22:31] <popey> yeah
[22:31] <popey> sweet!
[22:32] <jcastro> popey: I'm going to do a mention
[22:32] <jcastro> lmk how it works
[22:33] <jcastro> popey: hah, Mark's posted
[22:33] <popey> how'd he find it?
[22:33] <jcastro> I mailed him
[22:33] <popey> ah
[22:33] <jcastro> anything juju deployed is pretty much always in his face.
[22:34] <jcastro> marcoceppi: http://15.185.233.27/t/ubuntu-forums-moderators-click-here/3/4
[22:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: hum, it's be an out-of-scope change that upstream probably would never use, but I think I could hack that in
[22:36] <jcastro> don't tell me post it
[22:36] <marcoceppi> I am
[22:52] <marcoceppi> jcastro: can you flag something?
[22:53] <jcastro> ok
[23:07] <jcastro> marcoceppi: can you increase the maximum filesize to upload a bit?
[23:07] <marcoceppi> 5MB? Also we should just use imgur and get an API key
[23:07] <jcastro> sure
[23:07] <jcastro> eventually
[23:07] <marcoceppi> jcastro: that'll make scaleout story solid
[23:07] <jcastro> nod
[23:07] <marcoceppi> assets always trip people up
[23:07] <jcastro> put that in the scaleout post
[23:07]  * marcoceppi nods
[23:09] <jcastro> 5mb is fine for now for uploads
[23:09] <jcastro> I want to exercise this screenshot thread
[23:09] <jcastro> oh
[23:09] <jcastro> let me flag something
[23:10] <marcoceppi> jcastro: increased
[23:15] <jcastro> still says 1024k
[23:15] <jcastro> needs a restart?
[23:16] <jcastro> marcoceppi: ^^
[23:17] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I hope not. I hate restarting the discourse stuff
[23:17]  * marcoceppi pokes
[23:20] <jcastro> marcoceppi: still nogo on the upload
[23:20] <marcoceppi> jcastro: let me finish this post and I'll restart discourse
[23:20] <jcastro> ack
[23:21] <jcastro> oh cute
[23:21] <jcastro> when you scroll the title turns into an ubuntu logo
[23:22] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, it was the discourse logo, but I've been going around updating them as I find them. The favicon is now ubuntu as well
[23:23] <jcastro> badass
[23:25] <marcoceppi> jcastro: bouncing
[23:25]  * jcastro makes explosion sounds
[23:26] <marcoceppi> I might drop a cuter 502 error page
[23:27] <jcastro> does this nginx have the spdy support?
[23:27] <marcoceppi> no, it's what's in archives
[23:28] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I've also changed the automated message user. auto-messages will now come from "ubuntubot" instead of me
[23:31] <jcastro> eggcerrent
[23:34] <jcastro> marcoceppi: think I found a bug
[23:34] <jcastro> my screenshots are like 1.5mb
[23:34] <jcastro> but discourse thinks they're over 5mb
[23:34] <marcoceppi> It might be nginx
[23:34] <marcoceppi> let me check
[23:36] <marcoceppi> jcastro: try now
[23:37] <jcastro> Works!
[23:37] <marcoceppi> yeah, it was nginx
[23:37]  * marcoceppi updates charm