[06:52] morning === redtap|away is now known as redtape|renegade [07:10] Grumblings : ' Up all night after TT german bikers decided to have a bevies and swap road-hog stories from 10 years ago .. till 5a.m. (!!) . Some of them went for a swim after (??) [07:13] * redtape|renegade grumbles GOOD morning... [07:16] morning [07:17] knightwise: Morning, OT | Does anyone vape here ? [07:17] notme [07:27] QUESTION: Would it be possible to have a disc version of Ubuntu that can fit on a 190MB disc, that can just download all the Ubuntu packages and trigger updates to be installed aswell ? i.e. So you can just give someone a Mini-CD or a business card sized disc and let them just 'net install' from there ? Weird question, but it's one of those " I'm feeling lucky " type-a queries .. :] [07:29] Morning all [07:30] redtape|renegade: Isn't that the net install CD ? [07:30] is it ? [07:30] * diplo getting url [07:30] * redtape|renegade starts googling .. silly redtape .. [07:31] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/12.04/ [07:31] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD ?? right ? [07:31] Or there is a 13.04 image as well [07:32] Yep [07:34] 30MB .. mmm pretty good . wiki doesn't say much .. Do I have to 'select' Opt In/Out of packages .. or is it all done for you ? [07:36] You get a base install of enough to get the machine running and can select some to install I think, been a while since I used it [07:37] But I normally go for totally empty install and install what I need as I go === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [07:42] diplo: MMmm .. interesting. Just recalled I haven't tried installing Ubuntu on one of these yet for travelling/train [ http://bit.ly/141p6xt ] as described here ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100#Misc_links [07:43] Be worth getting a live cd to test functionality ? [07:46] diplo: You mean official one/ DVD , or .. 'is there any point' ? Plz be specific .. I care not, but I'm just saying I like the device, unless you can think of a lighter/smaller one ? [07:47] I Sorry hadn't read the second link, just scanning through it now [07:48] Maybe worth chatting in their channel #ac100 ? [07:49] your right, I will .. I was thinking of tinkering with another flavour next month anyway .. i.e. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#ARM_(AC100)_Systems [07:50] Lubuntu - Arm ? on what ? [07:51] knightwise: that was 9 mins ago .. but we are perhaps vearing OT.. ? [07:52] hmm.. i'm running standard 12.04 on my macbook air [07:52] roarin fast :) [07:52] knightwise: Do all the keys work ? [07:53] I say that 'cos I have a new apple keyboard . & that doesn't adapt well to ubuntu .. [07:54] Morning. [07:54] morning [07:56] redtape|renegade: yep [07:56] hi guys .. nice post AlanBell on G+ [07:56] redtape|renegade: google "Knightwise Macbookair" [07:56] it will point you to an article on the installation and a post howto script [07:56] right .. [07:58] http://knightwise.com/installing-ubuntu-on-a-macbook-air-an-updated-howto/ [08:01] Is there some issue with providing wifi drivers for Macbooks on the live USB image? They don't seem to work when booted from the ISO. [08:02] not that I know , but I do use the wired connection when installing. [08:02] then it works fine. [08:02] because they get teh wifi drivers from the repos [08:03] yeah, I just wondered as I was hoping to have a persistent USB-based install [08:03] I didn't have a cable to hand when I last tested booting via EFI. [08:03] V. intelligent website knightwise .. how refreshing .. (well done. ) .. althou I could be forgetting I've seen it before .. === alexis is now known as Guest17081 === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [08:06] dwatkins: yes. non-open broadcom drivers / firmware, not on the ISO [08:07] thanks popey - makes sense [08:11] Anyone got any ideas, cut and pasting a perl script into a new file, hashes all the lines and moves them in a few tabs each time [08:11] Using vi [08:14] diplo: you mean auto-indenting? http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_stop_auto_indenting [08:14] or more than just that? [08:14] knightwise: Yes, I'm converted to that idea .. a 2008 Macb.- Air + Ubuntu sounds goods .. http://bit.ly/Zq5jvi [08:15] auto indents each line and adds a hash to each line [08:15] .. almost too good .. [08:15] just reading that link [08:19] heh none of the options work :/ [08:19] bah [08:19] I assume if you paste into some other app, that the hashes don't appear [08:19] I could go through it line by line but it happens on one site every time and I can't work out why :/ [08:19] i.e. that it's not some javascript thing changing what's being copied [08:19] Yep, just one site and happens to all files [08:20] Not sure if it's specific to vi, see if nano or something is installed [08:20] I discovered a plugin for Chrome which blocks the annoying double-paste things where it forces you to put the URL when pasting [08:20] morning all [08:21] allo MooDoo [08:22] OK, at least I've trimmed it down to a vi issues [08:22] Just installed nano :( [08:22] vi or vim? ;) [08:22] also, is it specific to that user account? [08:23] * dwatkins wonders if the spaces are really spaces or some hoopy unicode [08:23] Good point, hadn't tried under root [08:23] diplo, cheer up .. It's two 4 Tuesdays at dominoes tonight ! .. just sayin' .. [08:24] Yuk :) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:27] diplo: Your prob.ly right .. the chicken is a long way from fresh ... [08:30] I wish they'd make a pizza with coconut flour [08:33] ... [08:33] that sounds like the worst [08:35] * redtape|renegade changes 'worst' for 'dumpster fire' . [08:37] * redtape|renegade scurries off to do the weekly bins.. [08:37] leaves. [08:38] hahaha [08:43] anyone tried teh text trace service when expecting a package from amazon? [08:43] I signed up for it but it has never text me yet [08:43] some of the individual couriers do though [08:43] lolz [08:44] this one is citylink [08:45] You are signed-up for Text Trace to receive text messages between 7 AM and 8 PM when your delivery encounters a problem. [08:45] oh [08:45] Citylink are liars [08:45] not what i expected [08:45] i wanted "your parcel is being put onto a van" [08:45] "is coming up the road" [08:46] I've had plenty of texts from Amazon UK's delivery company DPD that were always pretty accurate. [08:46] Not sure if you have to be signed up for Prime for that, though. [08:46] yeah that's something else [08:47] ho hum [08:47] usually when mine have a problem amazone don't know about it because yodel are liars [08:47] don't think i'll need my parcel if the rain keeps up anyway [08:47] is your parcel a sun lounger? [08:48] I have no idea how or why Yodel are still in business - they changed names from HDNL because they had a hideous rep, but they've kept it up [08:48] it's an adult scooter [08:48] for getting to work quicker/more funly [08:48] mgdm: i can only assume that amazon are locked into a contract [08:48] or they are so cheap that it's worth taking the flak [08:48] last time I had something delivered from them we were out, they handed it to my next-door neighbour and didn't tell anyone - next door neighbours are students, though, so didn't bother to try to contact us as they're nocturnal [08:49] i have a strange neighbour who has a poor paying job and v expensive car that he drives around at 1am [08:49] i've had the classic "left in the bin" on bin day, which the neighbours then kindly put out for me [08:49] :/ [08:50] got back in time for that one [08:50] \o/ Benefit of working in the motor industry, free MOT's :) [08:50] DJones: nice. Now drive a car with no emissions and avoid VED, too :-) [08:50] (fvvo 'no') [08:52] mgdm: You mean something like this http://goo.gl/sVGBk [08:52] heh [08:52] I think my dad only pays £30/year for his car for a peugeot 3008 [08:53] mine's a bit more than that :/ [08:54] I've got an old shape Picasso, 2 neighbours have got one with different engines, theirs are 1.6 Petrol engines, mine is a 2L diesel, they pay about £180/year, mine is £130, and people commonly say that diesel engines are dirtier than petrol [08:55] I think they're 'better' in terms of CO2 output, which is what VED cares about, but worse in terms of particulates [08:55] One of the neighbours threatened to swap the engines overnight [08:55] heh [08:55] Good morning peeps :) [08:55] Thankfully it was the teaching assistant, rather than the mechanic who owns the the other picasso [08:56] mgdm: heard of any hotel discounts for phpnw13? The website seems to be lacking such info this year [08:56] dwatkins, amazon use every single courier depending on the item. dpd isn't exclusively amazon's [08:56] bigcalm: Not thus far [08:56] mgdm: maybe I should hold off booking a room then [08:57] I've not looked at the site, yet - might be worth asking in #phpnw? [08:57] directhex: ah ok, I seem to get them all the time, perhaps because of my location (Edinburgh) [09:00] good morning everyone, [09:02] dwatkins, wish i got dpd more. [09:02] dwatkins, we get APLE here. dreadful. [09:05] AAPL [09:08] Good morning all, happy Hamburger Day! :-) [09:08] good morning JamesTait [09:08] brobostigon, o/ [09:10] directhex: I stopped ordering from Firebox because they use Citylink. [09:10] CITYLINK :D [09:10] Citylink write on the website that they attempt delivery in the morning, but don't turn up, it's just to keep the beancounters happy, but it's a lie. [09:11] Even getting stuff delivered to my office, which is staffed all the time during the day, is hassle with Citylink. [09:11] general case: i like DPD/interlink because 1-hour delivery slots. i like royal mail because the depot is walking distance. beyond that, i'm not keen on couriers [09:34] JamesTait: hamburger day? [09:34] bigcalm, allegedly. [09:34] Humm [09:34] Think I'll pass [09:35] Looking outside, it feels more like a stew and dumplings day. [09:35] hayfever is still really bad though :( [09:35] after-effects of yesterday [09:35] Lasagna for dinner I think [09:36] how many layers of lasagne is the acceptable amount? [09:36] ongoing discussion with wifey ont his [09:36] Urk, dunno [09:37] It'll be my future mother-in-law making it. I wouldn't argue with her about how many it should be ;) [09:37] 4 [09:37] lower! [09:37] my wife did 1 or 2 until i suggested a bit more [09:37] no lower makes it an odd number [09:38] no likey the odds :p [09:38] 1 [09:38] lordie [09:38] she basically put the mince /suace in and layer on top [09:38] like an italian pie top [09:38] eh no that's not how it's done [09:38] no, now she puts more layers for me on my side [09:38] and does it her way on her side [09:38] While looking for the correct spelling of lasagne, this popped up http://www.cookingclassy.com/2012/10/caprese-lasagna-roll-ups/ [09:38] just like the pizza [09:39] i have no onions and v little tomato base [09:39] in the more classic european style [09:39] so we end up having very different looking halves of pizza [09:40] walkers deep ridged crisps 6 pack for a quid...mmmm [09:42] I ordered a tailor made suit yesterday. So I'm not allowed to eat until after the wedding now [09:43] i would like to see how a tailored suit comes out on me [09:43] although off the peg in next is an excellent fit on me [09:45] I do fear I might have spent a little much on a 3 piece suit for the wedding. Just hope I get more use out of it than for just 1 day [09:45] i hired one and got skanked royally [09:46] big mistake [09:47] anyone know of a fresh graduate looking for junior role? [09:48] bigcalm: That looks lovely :-D making me feel hungry. [09:48] or maybe someone with 1/2 yrs experience looking for next step [09:48] \o/ [10:02] Morning all [10:02] Morning davmor2 [10:03] bigcalm: how do [10:03] davmor2: poorer having been to Wolverhampton yesterday [10:05] you came to wolverhampton and you did call in I'm disgusted ;) [10:05] davmor2: good weekend? [10:05] davmor2: hah, I did wonder if I would spot you in town [10:05] bigcalm: yeap chilled out watching gavin and stacey [10:06] great show, that [10:06] * TheOpenSourcerer went to see the new Star trek film last night. Was really good. Loads of action. [10:07] sent my wife to see the imax versino [10:07] found a £15 charge on my credit card [10:08] We went to the 2D version. Much fun [10:08] dwatkins: I can thoroughly recommend it for anyone who has seen it. [10:08] £15 doesn't surprise me for an IMAX showing. [10:08] the tickets for the IMAX 3D one I saw were a tenner each [10:09] Next film we go to see will be Despicable Me 2 [10:09] bigcalm: I'm going to see if the lighthouse has it less loud than the cineworld means we enjoy the film over the migrane :) [10:10] davmor2: take ear plugs :) [10:10] sit at the back [10:11] * TheOpenSourcerer can't wait for Despicable Me 2 too. [10:13] mungbean: the problem with the cineworld is they have 10 screens in a building that should probably only have 6 and a sound system built for a building that size that has 3 screens. It's about 50 decibels too loud. [10:46] hey guys, I need to regexp a .log file for "HDFS IO error", this just \HDFS IO error\ ? [10:51] no sign of lightread getting a fix for the google reader july switch-off [10:52] joshmyers: grep "HDFS IO error" file.log [10:53] bigcalm: needs to be a regexp [10:53] using monit to regexp a log file for matches [10:53] i.e. HDFS IO error [10:53] and needs to restart the service if this matches [10:53] joshmyers: Looks okay then [10:54] ok ta [10:59] joshmyers: my mistake, it should be // [10:59] joshmyers: \ is an escape char [10:59] hokay, thx [11:48] not only gloomy but freezing out there [11:48] yesterday was pretty nice too [11:53] Sat/Sun were nice. Yesterday started okay but ended up like today [12:05] the big flaggons of water for the water cooler have run out and nobody knows who to email about new ones :( [12:05] the level of apathy in this workplace [12:05] no wter since early last week [12:10] mungbean: look at the flaggons of water [12:11] or the machine tends to have contact details on it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:13] we're in a big company..so there's a lady somewhere who administers it [12:13] most people who care/know have left [12:13] and the others are just slurping from the tap === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:12] afternoon all [14:12] yo [14:12] back in the uk popey ? [14:13] ya [14:13] afternoonings MooDoo [14:13] hello brobostigon [14:14] my vps i had boybu + irssi + bitlbee on just became unresponsive, and had to force reboot, it, :( [14:14] byobu* [14:14] is this good enough for a gui on ubuntu server - sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop [14:15] ? [14:16] MooDoo: you'd get more than you'd probably want [14:16] 400odd days uptime wiped away, [14:16] do you just want x and a simple desktop? [14:16] mine is only 52 days [14:16] -> 13 52 days, 00:17:05 | Linux 3.2.0-39-virtual Sat Apr 6 14:59:17 2013 [14:16] yeah [14:16] ok, not bad then. [14:16] xubuntu-desktop ? [14:16] I'd probably use something like openbox or similar [14:16] ok thanks [14:17] lubuntu-desktop ? [14:17] even that will pull in way too much [14:17] true, yes, loads of apps and other stuff. === ApeKatt is now known as RadiumCat === davmor2_ is now known as help === help is now known as davmor2 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:57] mgdm: done any signing API commands? [15:00] mgdm: would I need anything more than this for creating a signature? md5(ClientID . Timestamp . fields... . ClientKey) [15:01] I think that'll work, though you'll want to ensure the fields are sorted properly [15:01] bigcalm: application name or is that covered by ClientID? [15:02] bigcalm: ie you might have browser and an android/ios app [15:03] mgdm: it'll be sent as JSON and verified in the same order each time [15:03] davmor2: It's a web to web only system. There's no scope for mobile devices or manual use of the API [15:04] mgdm: I'm writing the API and the client to use it. So complete control at this point :) [15:04] my 10.04 desktop is on 418 days atm [15:04] bigcalm: okay then just throwing it out there incase you hadn't thought of it :) [15:04] davmor2: ta [15:23] * bigcalm pokes php.net for not working. Yay for mirrors [15:24] hash('sha256', $wibble) might be better than md5 [15:34] bigcalm: I doubt there is much point to the overhead for sha256 [15:34] dogmatic69: what alternative then? [15:34] it would be virtually impossible to build a rainbow table as you are hashing the timestamp, and if someone was able to figure out the various params they could use sha256 anyhow [15:35] bigcalm: what exactly is it for? [15:35] Just a token to validate the fields transferred? [15:35] Yes [15:35] And the timestamp is to limit replay attacks [15:37] overhead is relative - I doubt it's going to be getting enough traffic that the difference between MD5 and SHA256 run times is going to be a significant factor [15:37] bigcalm: add a salt and sha1 should be fine [15:38] the timestamp is sort of salt, but a 30 / 40 char salt is prob better [15:38] I too didn't think that the overhead of sha256 was going to be an issue [15:38] this is what cake does to stop form tampering which I guess is similar to what you want [15:38] https://github.com/cakephp/cakephp/blob/master/lib/Cake/View/Helper/FormHelper.php#L561 [15:39] Yay csr [15:40] I thought that they had hash() back to front until I realised that it was a static method [15:40] ye, that is a cake method [15:40] you can configure the default hash type so usually Security::hash(foobar) is good [15:41] Makes sense [15:41] bigcalm: The I think sha > 1 is just going to add time to the request for no gain [15:42] but not a significant amount of time [15:42] Though even sha1 is considered better than md5? [15:42] probably less than the TCP overhead to his DB server [15:43] We're talking about maybe 500 calls a day. I would be surprised if it were more [15:44] We can always include the API version as part of the payload or the URL. Allowing us to switch to a different method if required in the future [15:46] TheOpenSourcerer: where is AlanBell hiding [15:47] Oh how I love @Cumberholmes on twitter "I'm starting to suspect that John knows his new 'hatstand' is actually me in disguise, but is refusing to acknowledge me." [15:47] czajkowski: He's on his way to darkest Wales - will be out of contact mostly until until Thurs I should think. [15:48] ah bugger was hoping he might like to have lunch wit myself and popey tomorrow in Farnham [15:48] mgdm: you'd better have some good weather for the weekend by the time Hayley and I get to Ed. [15:51] do i have to claim my giffgaff reward points at the 6 month milestone? [15:53] bigcalm: heh. When is it you're here again? [15:53] mgdm: Saturday to Tuesday. Though What we get done in that time is anybody's guess [15:54] bigcalm: Hmmmm, I'm busy at t'weekend so I probably can't make it across until *maybe* Monday [15:54] but if you're over here at all let me know [16:01] mgdm: will do. Not sure what Hayley has in mind for the break [16:02] I foresee a lot of rain in our future [16:02] * mgdm rolls eyes [16:06] Just looking out of the window right now... [16:07] can i copy a whole folder form root, to a user folder, then make it accessable for that user, to edit and exceute stuff inside it ? [16:07] cp -r foo bar; chown userName: bar [16:07] Something like that? [16:07] thatl work. [16:08] Erm, chown -r username: bar [16:08] Or something :) [16:09] chown user:user -R /path/to/* [16:09] daftykins: 2nd user if it's the same as the 1st [16:09] +redundant [16:09] +is [16:09] but then it'd come up as user:root [16:10] no? [16:12] daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710648/ [16:12] oh i get you, you still colon just don't repeat [16:12] sorry, misunderstood [16:12] :) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [18:01] yay for SSH proxies [18:01] \o/ [18:01] reconfigured at a clients today so now i can SSH in via his file server and use a local browser to reconfigure any web admin'd devices at his \o/ [18:01] 8-) [18:02] in this case the fifth of eight WD 2TB HDDs in his RAID 6 died Friday =/ [18:02] oops [18:02] gogo advanced RMA with WD [18:02] yeah the WD2002FYPS' models are dropping like flies >_< [18:03] Is haswell out yet? [18:03] not that i know of [18:03] lets check [18:03] June 3rd, according to most internets [18:03] aww [18:04] i saw motherboard previews on anandtech.com [18:04] Yeah, saw those too [18:04] which is going a bit too far with excitement XD [18:04] I've already chosen one I wan [18:04] t [18:04] :D [18:04] i'm an Asus fan myself [18:04] Yeah, me too [18:04] :D [18:04] used to love Abit :( [18:05] Apparently, 1155-socket coolers will work on the 1150 socket because the holes for the cooler mount are in the same place [18:05] makes sense [18:05] so I bought a CoolerMaster Seidon 120M [18:05] just a Land-reconfiguration shouldn't change all that much [18:05] in anticipation [18:05] :) [18:05] that's risky, i'd wait for specific board support [18:05] since they love putting all kinds of junk around the slots these days [18:05] daftykins: I can always use it on my old i3 [18:06] s/slots/sockets/ [18:06] ah [18:06] i just ordered my friends new ivy bridge setup [18:06] he didn't care about waiting for Haswell [18:06] daftykins: but the Seidon.. factory pre-filled maintenance free water cooling [18:06] i7 3770K/16GB 2133MHz DDR3/nvidia GTX 680/samsung 256GB 840 pro SSD/2TB storage HDD [18:06] I considered buying ib now, but the socket change [18:07] maintenance free? seems a bold claim [18:07] daftykins: they guarantee it for a few years at least [18:07] yeah it is a bit of a dealbreaker for longevity [18:07] "Two year zero maintenance guarantee" [18:07] n ot a lot, but enough for me [18:08] i always wanted to give water a go, mainly due to boredom [18:08] but the trouble is, you're kinda only moving the fans in some ways [18:08] http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/cooling/cpu-liquid-cooler/seidon-120m.html [18:08] daftykins: I also got a "Silencio" case from CoolerMaster, which has kind-of okay-but-not-great airflow [18:08] so moving the fan closer to the exhaust port is good [18:09] =] [18:12] i'm putting my friends setup into an Antec P183 [18:13] http://store.antec.com/Product/enclosure-performance_one_series/p-183/0-761345-81830-8.aspx [18:13] BADGERBADGER [18:13] http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/case/mid-tower/silencio-550.html [18:13] directhex: o hai [18:13] BADGERBADGER [18:13] MUSHROOMMUSHROOM [18:13] BADGERBADGER [18:13] SNAAAKE [18:14] ooooooooooooooh it's a snake [18:14] daftykins: that case looks nice, heavy-duty :) :) [18:15] i can't believe i spent ~£200 on keyboard/mouse for wife's birthday :| [18:15] MartijnVdS: yeah heavy, but nicely thick skinned to reduce noise \o/ [18:16] aaand his graphics card will be 25cm long [18:16] daftykins: Same with the Silencio, it comes with thick padding on the inside [18:16] so it fits :O [18:16] neat :) [18:16] I'm not going to bother with a separate GPU [18:16] indeed gone are the days of putting in windows [18:16] rather not be able to hear it :D [18:16] but the blinky fans! [18:16] *shudder* [18:17] :D [18:18] I never understood windows. That's where I breed dust bunnies. watching seems rather indecent [18:18] i can only say that sometimes it's handy for diagnosing something [18:18] but the rarity of that makes it pointless :D [18:19] daftykins: they have motherboards with numeric diagnostic LEDs now [18:19] and "Boot to BIOS" pins [18:19] and lots of other weird features you'll use once [18:20] reminds me of hours trying to track down "dma timeout" kernel errors, and eventually discovered my sb16 had fallen out [18:20] 8-) [18:20] hah [18:20] good times [18:20] http://www.gainward.com/main/product/vga/pro/p00868/p00868_pic_6874f8e7b692b8ba.jpg [18:20] I remember one summer my XT started acting up [18:20] getting that chunky GTX 680 4GB card for my mates' setup [18:20] and my amazement when pushing it back in resulted in music, rather than a panic [18:21] Weird hangs, weird savegame corruptions (yay lots of $$, etc.) [18:21] the DMA controller had hone [18:21] gone [18:21] shauno: pushing it in whilst on? :) [18:21] well of course [18:22] ah yes i was going to hook up a second input cable so i can use my screen(s) to setup this friends new PC [18:22] although i suppose i could use my spare 19" samsung LCD instead [18:22]