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tinti	is cherokee package missing on raring?	00:00
onkle	hola	00:04
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Dr_willis	!info cherokee	00:09
ubottu	Package cherokee does not exist in raring	00:09
Dr_willis	!find cherokee	00:09
ubottu	File cherokee found in dasher-data, freeciv-data, libxmlada4.1-dev, mediawiki, openvas-plugins-dfsg, spip, texlive-fonts-extra, texlive-fonts-extra-doc, texlive-omega	00:09
tones	easiest gui disk image software for ubuntu? not dd, clonezilla?	00:11
dark_djinn	i'm trying to deal with getting an ssl cert for ubuntu	00:12
dark_djinn	what is the default lamp ssl method on ubuntu?	00:12
xirre	How do you check the current CPU Usage that a process is using by using its PID? It needs to be outputted for use by a third party program. (Like how I would get the PID by doing echo "$!" > '/home/directory/file.txt' after a command is initially ran.) -- I was told earlier to use ps -p <pid> -o %cpu but i'd like to store this information momentarily so a third party can retrieve it and delete it after it has received it.	00:13
tones	!clonezilla	00:14
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thefunc5	tones: i just use eusus disk copy, super easy and uber effective	00:15
thefunc5	runs off a live cd and clones both linux and windows installations without issue	00:15
Gabboz	tones, redobackup.org is worth looking at too	00:15
tones	will look at both thanks	00:16
thefunc5	never heard of that one, but i do like how itll backup to network shares, that looks REALLY nice	00:16
Gabboz	thefunc5, how does easeus handle drives with different sizes(upon restore)?	00:16
killmaker	hi	00:16
Gabboz	thefunc5, redo works quite well.	00:16
thefunc5	gabboz, it doesnt seem to care lol	00:17
echoe	God I just realized that ll is an alias of ls	00:17
echoe	... learning via experience sucks sometimes.	00:17
Gabboz	thefunc5, good. ive found free recovery apps can get grouchy with that..good to see it become a thing of the past	00:17
killmaker	i have a peoblem	00:17
Dr_willis	echoe, 'alias' command may show more. ;)	00:17
thefunc5	i havent tried it other than one time, mapped a 300gb disk to a 128gb ssd and it worked just fine, paritioned it fine and to the brim	00:17
echoe	Dr willis I know. :p it does ls -l	00:17
thefunc5	but note, i have only done that ONCE, havent tried it other than that on etime	00:17
killmaker	how do i bypass secure boot	00:18
echoe	I was spoofing uptime and learned that bit already. Just blah.	00:18
thefunc5	killmaker secure boot on windows 8?	00:18
Dr_willis	disable it in the bios i belive killmaker	00:18
comodo_dragon	i haev Ubuntu 6.10 installed, but I am having trouble installing LibreOffice.	00:18
killmaker	yes	00:18
Dr_willis	comodo_dragon, 6.10? that was a typo right?	00:18
comodo_dragon	no	00:18
comodo_dragon	version 6.10	00:18
killmaker	i did disabled it but ubuntu won't load	00:18
thefunc5	...by the gods how long has that box been up and running comodo?	00:19
Dr_willis	that is over 6 yrs old.. time to upgrade.	00:19
comodo_dragon	6years or so	00:19
Dr_willis	!eol or read about using EOL releases	00:19
ubottu	Dr_willis: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)	00:19
Dr_willis	!eol	00:19
ubottu	End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades	00:19
Dr_willis	!6.10	00:19
ubottu	Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) was the fifth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 25th, 2008. See !eol for more details.	00:19
Dr_willis	its been eol for 5 yrs. ;)	00:19
comodo_dragon	heh,ok	00:20
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killmaker	tried to disable it but ubuntu still won't boot	00:20
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killmaker	any idea what to do with eufi config	00:21
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thefunc5	killmaker, when you googled about your computer model and ubuntu install what was the consensus?	00:22
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AutoMatriX	hi folks,	00:30
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* AutoMatriX is back, after a bit less than a year		00:30
PyGuy	Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX working in 12.04.2?	00:32
Dako300	Anything more specific?	00:32
AutoMatriX	PyGuy, might be a bit more precise in your question,	00:32
Legits	I need help with a broken initramfs.	00:33
PyGuy	Well, firstly, can someone tell me how to get my 12.04.2 install to kernel 3.5 in the supported way?	00:33
strugz	PyGuy type dmesg	00:33
Dako300	You should be able to upgrade it and it will upgrade the kernel	00:34
Dr_willis	PyGuy, i think someone mentioned enabling the backports repo earlier	00:34
Dr_willis	!backports	00:34
ubottu	If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging	00:34
strugz	PyGuy apt-get upgrade	00:34
PyGuy	"0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." and I'm still on 3.2.x	00:34
Dr_willis	http://askubuntu.com/questions/257617/how-can-i-upgrade-the-ubuntu-12-04-2-kernel-to-3-5-0-23	00:34
Dr_willis	first google hit for '12.04 kernel 3.5'	00:35
Dako300	That may be because you are running a LTS	00:35
PyGuy	Yeah I'm running LTS.	00:35
Dako300	pretty much, you have no upgrades ubtill 12.04.3	00:35
Dr_willis	sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-quantal	00:35
Dr_willis	sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal	00:35
PyGuy	Will I still be able to get support if I do that?	00:36
Dr_willis	Its in the standard repos.. so yes	00:36
Rubbissh	so, how do i download ubuntu on my windows 8 with a usb stick?	00:36
Dr_willis	12 down vote accepted	00:36
Dr_willis		00:36
Dr_willis	New deployments of 12.04.2 will be installed with an updated kernel and a new X windows stack.	00:36
Dr_willis	oops.. pasted to much. ;)	00:36
Dr_willis	Rubbissh, use some of the tools at the pendrivelinux web site perhaps?	00:37
strugz	Rubbissh apt-get install usb-creator-kde	00:37
Dako300	I need help with my sound, It works perfectly fine but the sound is also coming out of the PC speaker. I checked and I DO NOT have pcspkr as a module (I am running the kernel that came with Ubuntu,3.8)	00:37
Dr_willis	the 'pcspkr' module is for the old 'beeper	00:38
Dr_willis	type speaker as far as i know. its possible the pc has some other sort of built in sound as well thats not using that module	00:38
rmobenchain	just ran bad blocks via terminal and received the following message: badblocks: Unknown code ext2 70 adding to in-memory bad block list. what does this mean?	00:38
Dako300	The scary thing is, is that in the BIOS I disabled the PC speaker.	00:38
Dako300	Your hard drive is going bad	00:39
Dr_willis	that might be just for the old type beeper-type-speaker.	00:39
zykotick9	Dako300: i'd try "lsmod \| grep snd_" is anything listed that could be the pc speaker related?	00:39
Dako300	If it helps, I am using a crap computer from 2003	00:40
rmobenchain	dako300: was your hard drive going bad response in regards to my question?	00:40
Dako300	The closest thing is snd_pcm	00:40
PyGuy_	Alrighty, so my Sound Blaster ZX is detected, but not outputting any sound	00:40
Dako300	rmobenchain: yes	00:40
rmobenchain	Dako300: ok. thanks. what I've been suspecting as well.	00:41
zykotick9	Dako300: i don't think snd_pcm is related. well, good luck (i seem to remember a snd_SMOTHING that was pc speaker related, but don't see it on my system either...)	00:41
PyGuy_	Anyone have any ideas?	00:43
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Dako300	The modules listed are, snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device (I just copied that from the dependencies of snd)	00:43
AutoMatriX	Hi folks, I'm setting up an local ubuntu-mirror . Is there any way to see (follow) whcih files are currently being downloaded ?APT-Mirror does not give much feedback :(	00:43
ubuntu__	guys, I-m gonna install ubuntu. I didn-t make a swap because I currently have 8gb of ram. also, if anything I will be usin zram. however, what do you think_	00:43
Gabboz	ubuntu__, you can always make a swap file if you want.	00:44
ubuntu__	yeah, I don-t want to, but I wanna know if it might decrease my performance as I have 8gb of ram	00:44
Dako300	No, not unless you are playing games	00:44
Gabboz	ubuntu__, if you tune swappiness it wont matter	00:44
Gabboz	ubuntu__, beware if you surpass 8Gb of needed ram you crash..period.	00:45
ubuntu__	Gabboz, Dako300I have integrated card so, I rarely and barely play. what is that swappiness thing_	00:45
zykotick9	Dako300: i wouldn't think any of those are the cause? but obviously the output is coming from somewhere (i just don't know where). in "alsamixer" does F6 have some other card with a pc speaker you can mute/turn down perhaps?	00:45
Dr_willis	safest thing to do would be make a 2gb or so swap file.	00:45
Gabboz	ubuntu__, http://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness	00:46
thpe	is there a way to make the XF86AudioRaiseVolume key raise the volume in pulseaudio?	00:46
ubuntu__	btw, I-ve used 13.04 and found the auto/hide behaviour to be buggy, have someelse experience problems making it appear_	00:46
Dako300	I need help with my sound, It works perfectly fine but the sound is also coming out of the PC speaker. I checked and I DO NOT have pcspkr as a module (I am running the kernel that came with Ubuntu,3.8)	00:47
PyGuy_	Hey guys. Can someone help me getting my Sound Blaster ZX working? It's detected but no sound is coming out of my headphones.	00:47
Dako300	PyGuy_, do you have the modules for it?	00:47
PyGuy_	I'm not sure, Dako300	00:48
Dako300	PyGuy_, how do you know its "detected"	00:48
PyGuy_	How might I get them?	00:48
PyGuy_	Well, in pavucontrol the sound bar pulses along with the sound as I play a youtube video, but nothing comes out of the headphones	00:49
Dako300	PyGuy_, if you didnt do anything with the kernel, they should be there (and without it, the sould card couldnt be recognized)	00:49
Dr_willis	unless its just sending output to the wrong jack.	00:49
Dr_willis	or wrong soundcard	00:49
PyGuy_	Good point	00:50
spoon	hi there, does anyone have the commands or download link to get broadcom wifi drivers?	00:50
Dr_willis	!broadcom \| spoon	00:50
ubottu	spoon: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx	00:50
PyGuy_	So what do I do?	00:50
Dr_willis	try the other jacks?	00:50
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Dr_willis	ive also had sound try to go out my HDMI when i neede it to go out the analog ports	00:51
PyGuy_	Hmmm there's only one headphone jack on the card	00:51
Dr_willis	most jacks are configurable.. try the other ones..	00:52
Ari-Yang	Dr_willis, you're having problems with sound coming out through the tv via hdmi?	00:52
Dako300	PyGuy_, Where is the bar thats for the sound exactly.	00:52
Dr_willis	Ari-Yang, i was - untill i switched to the 3.9 kernel. :)	00:52
PyGuy_	Dako300: In pavucontrol, on the Output devices tab	00:52
Ari-Yang	Dr_willis, ah, was going to ask if you're on radeon, and if you were you might have had to add something to grub	00:53
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Dr_willis	Ari-Yang, theres some hdmi audio bug in 13.04 with some of the kernels - seems to affect a lot of differnt chipsets. a fix is supposed to be in the works or out.. but i got sick of waiting and tried the 3.9 kernel that works ;)	00:54
Ari-Yang	heh, nice	00:54
Dr_willis	but since im using that.. i dont know if the fix has been released	00:54
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davidbuhau	need a little help with sharing and mounting an installed fat32 drive	00:55
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Dr_willis	!windows	00:57
ubottu	For discussion on Microsoft software, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents	00:57
Dr_willis	which factoid is it. ;)	00:57
Dr_willis	!vfat	00:57
ubottu	To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE	00:57
Dako300	PyGuy_: Try running lsmod \| grep snd_ and does anything like emu10k pop up?	00:57
Dako300	I also have a SB card	00:57
davidbuhau	so i have no idea what i have done differently this time. i have a small server running ubuntu 12.04. last time i was able to easily tell nautilus to auto mount the drive on startup... for whatever reason i cannot get it to auto mount this time	00:58
PyGuy_	Dako300: I'm not seeing anything that says emu10k	00:58
Dr_willis	davidbuhau, auto mount at BOOT time.. you make a fstab entry	00:58
Dr_willis	davidbuhau, otherwise nautilus can auto mount it on first access via the 'gvfs' features of nautilus	00:58
Dako300	PyGuy_: What does pop up?	00:58
Dr_willis	davidbuhau, if you want to make it a windows share. you will want a fstab entry for it	00:59
davidbuhau	i also was very easily able to share the drive just using the share menu in the properties, allowing others to read/write on the drive by simply saying essentially "yes, change the permissions for me". neither of these things are working for me this time... so frustrating	00:59
Dr_willis	davidbuhau, the 'ntfs-config' tool can make a entry for it.	00:59
PyGuy_	Dako300: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5708649/	00:59
davidbuhau	i don't mind having to remote in to mount the drive on restart i guess, but the permissions thing is really getting under my skin	01:00
Dako300	PyGuy_:I am stumped	01:00
Gabboz	davidbuhau, add that drive to your fstab	01:01
PyGuy_	Dako300: Ah, ok. Thanks anyway.	01:01
davidbuhau	can i use gconf-editor to do that?	01:02
PyGuy_	Can anyone else help me with getting my Sound Blaster ZX to work in 12.04.2 64-bit?	01:02
Gabboz	davidbuhau, no, thats not the tool	01:03
dark_djinn	ok, now needing help with getting mail	01:03
davidbuhau	okay, i've used that before for auto-mount... it's been ages since i've fiddled around with any of the configurations, i just use ubuntu to get things done mostly	01:03
dark_djinn	it seems to receive the mail to my vps, but doesn't appear to forward it to the user	01:03
Dr_willis	davidbuhau, to share a vfat via samba - you will need to mount it with the right options.	01:03
Gabboz	davidbuhau, if you must go gui way, check out http://pysdm.sourceforge.net/	01:04
spoon	how can I find which wireless card/adapter is in my laptop to get the correct drivers? lspci -vvnn \| grep 14e4 does not return anything.	01:04
AutoMatriX	trying it in another way : can someone tell me how to monitor the name of the actually incoming files ?	01:04
Dr_willis	ntfs-config can auto-add a fstab line for the vfat...	01:04
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davidbuhau	okay psydm looks easy enough to figure out...	01:05
davidbuhau	i will start with that and do a bit more research before i come back in here and bug you guys! :)	01:06
Dr_willis	id suggest backing up your /etc/fstab BEFOR using that tool davidbuhau	01:06
PyGuy_	Hey guys. Can someone help me getting my Sound Blaster ZX working? It's detected but no sound is coming out of my headphones.	01:06
davidbuhau	good suggestion	01:06
Dr_willis	learning the basics of fstab is also a good idea.	01:06
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fl_rider	I am looking for some assistance compiling darkice	01:14
Dr_willis	!info darkice	01:15
ubottu	darkice (source: darkice): Live audio streamer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu1 (raring), package size 102 kB, installed size 348 kB	01:15
Dr_willis	the apt-get build-deps packagename can help by pulling in all needed deps to compile the source.	01:15
fl_rider	by default mp3 support is disabled	01:15
Dr_willis	then theres that other tool that compiles source and builds a deb.	01:16
fl_rider	I have downloaded the source and have all the other dependencies installed	01:17
StarOnD	I want to install grub2 on a new external HDD. and then install a few different kind of linux distros. any tips?	01:17
Legits	Still having an issue with initramfs. I just installed Kubuntu over LUKS on LVM on GPT. initramfs has no idea how to boot things up.	01:17
Dr_willis	StarOnD, the other disrtos should install grub to the hdd as part of their install.	01:18
earc	hello, i just installed 13.04 for the first time and i cant install additional drivers	01:18
Legits	Additional drives for what?	01:18
Legits	*drivers	01:19
Chat4661	Hello	01:19
earc	Legits, my NVIDIA video card	01:19
Legits	It doesn't work to just apt-get install nvidia-current?	01:20
earc	Legits, GeForce 660Ti	01:20
earc	Legits, I didnt know about that, let me try. Thanks!	01:21
StarOnD	dr_willis will I be tied down to the first distro that I install ? what if I want to gt rid of the distro in case I dont find it easy to use?	01:21
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PyGuy_	Hey guys. Can someone help me getting my Sound Blaster ZX working? It's detected but no sound is coming out of my headphones.	01:23
WeThePeople	pyguy_, what distro and do you dual boot?	01:28
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PyGuy_	WeThePeople: 12.04.2 64-bit and no I don't dual boot	01:28
earc	Legits, after i do that, that's it? how do i check if im using the drivers?	01:28
WeThePeople	pyguy_, laptop or desktop	01:28
PyGuy_	desktop	01:29
betrayd	StarOn you can pick your next liveCD sitro, to install it will have similar GPARTED tools to overwite	01:29
Dr_willis	PyGuy_, an interesting test would be to see if a 13.04 live cd correctly handles the card. You have disabled any onboard sound cards in the bios?	01:29
PyGuy_	Dr_willis: I'll try that! But first, how do I disable sound cards in the bios?	01:30
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Dr_willis	look in your bios se4ttings.. theres to much varity in them for me to know where	01:30
erpo	usb-creator-gtk is segfaulting each time I try to create a bootable USB drive for Ubuntu 13.04 AMD64. Any suggestions?	01:32
Dr_willis	erpo, you can use 'dd' to image the iso file straight to the usb. or try some of the other tools at the pendrivelinux site	01:33
Dr_willis	weird that its segfaulting	01:33
spoon	how do i make a rule for something to be the target of a make command?	01:33
erpo	Dr_willis: Are you serious? You can just dd a bootable ISO to a USB mass storage device that doesn't emulate an optical drive in hardware, and the PC will just boot from it?	01:34
zykotick9	erpo: if you have a linux host, just cat or dd the iso to the USB drive (eg, sdb) - NOT sdb1 which is a partition. it wipes everything that's on that usb, so be SURE you have the right drive!	01:34
erpo	zykotick9: That's insane. I almost can't believe it, but I'll give it a try.	01:34
cjbirk	i am the plunderer	01:34
cjbirk	the great icelandic snow king	01:34
cjbirk	and i use ubuntu.	01:34
Dr_willis	erpo, dding the iso stright to usb has been a fetaure of ubuntu for some time now.. its been a feature of a great many other linux disrtos for years	01:34
spoon	why is this returning an error root@QuiSu:/home/alexandre# make file:///home/alexandre/aer/rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0003.0628.2010/Makefile	01:35
Dr_willis	erpo, the trick is the ISO has to be 'made' to support that feature	01:35
zykotick9	erpo: it only works with "hybrid" ISOs.	01:35
spoon	it says make: *** No rule to make target `file:///home/alexandre/aer/rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0003.0628.2010/Makefile'. Stop.	01:35
Dr_willis	erpo, earlier ubuntu isos did not suppport hybrid.	01:35
Dr_willis	about 11.10 and earlier I think....	01:35
erpo	Dr_willis: That's less nuts.	01:35
Dr_willis	erpo, or you can put grub2 on the usb.. and boot ISO files.. ;) thats even a niftier trick	01:36
AutoMatriX	hello again, can someone tell me ho to monitor the NAMES of the incoming files ? I tried ifstat but that only gives me the speed :(	01:36
Dr_willis	AutoMatriX, incomming from what?	01:36
spoon	anyone help out? i cant get a make command to run	01:36
AutoMatriX	Dr_willis, I'm runing apt-mirror for the moment	01:37
betrayd	spoon did you run ./configure?	01:37
AutoMatriX	Dr_willis, is that enough info for you ?	01:38
betrayd	they usually ahve a readme	01:38
Dr_willis	AutoMatriX, so you want to monitor what apt-mirror is downloading?	01:38
Basil1x	OK... 13.04 shows error: 'Location Already Mounted' on DVD insertion. As there is obviously no DVD already inserted, is there any way to make the error stop? Even with the error, the drive works normally with the DVD.	01:38
AutoMatriX	Dr_willis, absolutely	01:38
Dr_willis	perhaps apt-mirror has some verbose logging features.. ive never used it.	01:38
spoon	betrayd: readme says to go to the directory, which i'm sudo'ed into in terminal and run the command make which is returning an error	01:38
erpo	AutoMatriX: Why do you want to monitor what apt-mirror is downloading?	01:39
spoon	./configure returns an error as well betrayd	01:39
betrayd	the sudo might be throwing it off, just a hunch	01:40
AutoMatriX	Dr_willis, cannot find any in the man-pages	01:40
spoon	didn't think of that, the readme says to sudo	01:40
ntzrmtthihu777	hallo. odd issue here. while creating a symlink for ruby (it has stupidly placed .h files, lol) the resultant link is always broken, am I doing something wrong here?	01:40
AutoMatriX	erpo, it's les annoying when you see what's happening	01:40
betrayd	spoon dont run make without configure running finishing cleanly	01:40
erpo	AutoMatriX: So, if there were some easy way to monitor the progress of the download, that is all you would be looking for.	01:41
spoon	betrayd: so i should get into the directory, non sudo, run configure, then see if that works before make	01:41
AutoMatriX	erpo, if you can tell me what to install to see which files are iincoming, that would be very nice of you	01:41
spoon	there is no configure found in the directory	01:42
erpo	AutoMatriX: What is the directory apt-mirror is downloading to?	01:42
ulkesh	spoon, what is it you're trying to build? (do you have a URL to the download of the package?)	01:43
AutoMatriX	erpo, good question, I'm going to check that out ...;	01:43
spoon	ulkesh: it's a wifi driver. link here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true	01:43
AutoMatriX	erpo it's going into the spoolerdirectory of /var/www/.... etc	01:44
erpo	AutoMatriX: Run this command: grep base_path /etc/apt/mirror.list	01:44
PyGuy	Yeah, neither disabling the onboard sound or trying 13.04 solved the issue	01:44
ulkesh	spoon, which driver and which kernel?	01:45
spoon	More specifically looking use the RTL8188CE one	01:45
AutoMatriX	erpo, /var/spool/apt-mirror	01:45
erpo	AutoMatriX: Try this command: watch du -sh /var/spool/apt-mirror	01:45
ulkesh	spoon, which kernel target? 2.6.24 and later?	01:46
spoon	ulkesh: yes, I think that's right since I'm using a fresh ubuntu install	01:46
erpo	AutoMatriX: It may take a while to get started, but it will tell you how many GB have been downloaded so far. A complete download is around 50GB.	01:46
PyGuy	Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX working on Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit?	01:46
ulkesh	spoon, ok, i'll give it a go..you may simply be missing the linux-headers package or something, i'll see what it says on my system	01:46
spoon	okay, thank you ulkesh	01:47
AutoMatriX	erpo, since I mirror both architectures, MAD64 and the 32 bit, I'm around 100 Gigs, without the sources	01:47
erpo	AutoMatriX: I wouldn't know. Is that command giving you a meaningful progress indicator?	01:48
AutoMatriX	erpo, 97G /var/spool/apt-mirror but no filenames :(	01:48
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erpo	AutoMatriX: Well, that's about as good as I know how to get for a progress indicator.	01:49
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AutoMatriX	erpo, thanks but that does not help me ...is ubuntu not keeping a *.logfile of the file I/O ?	01:51
ulkesh	spoon, yeah that driver is fubar...it won't build for me either even having what i expect are all the prereqs	01:51
spoon	damn. i guess ill try to find another driver tomorrow.	01:52
ulkesh	spoon, this is the reason developers should produce a configure script...it would guarantee all the prereqs exist	01:52
ulkesh	spoon, sorry man :(	01:52
spoon	it's alright, thanks for working with me	01:52
PyGuy	Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX working on Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit?	01:53
ulkesh	spoon, np, sorry i wasn't any help, good luck!	01:53
BourneAgainShell	Hey everyone, I'm trying to add some info to the community help wiki for a workaround I found to a driver issue, but I can't seem to load the file (says I don't have permission to) - How can I send the info to the team working on the help pages? The link for the specific page I want to edit is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro6-2/Precise	01:53
WeThePeople	pyguy_, did you check the additional drivers gui	01:54
WeThePeople	pyguy, ^^^	01:54
PyGuy	WeThePeople: Yeah I did. There's nothing there. Just blank.	01:54
WeThePeople	pyguy, i had the same prob	01:55
WeThePeople	pyguy, when i turned my laptop completely off andback on again they work, ut when i reboot they dont	01:55
max2	hola	01:56
PyGuy	Umm, ok. Lemme give that a go.	01:56
WeThePeople	pyguy, do you have gnome3 installed or are you using unity?	01:56
migadoo	What requires restart	01:57
betrayd	spoon go back to that directory bec, you said you ran ./configure	01:57
WeThePeople	migadoo, sudo shutdown -r now	01:57
WeThePeople	that will restart your machine	01:57
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WeThePeople	migadoo, can yo explain a little better?	01:58
migadoo	No	01:58
WeThePeople	tuff question	01:59
Gabboz_AFK	migadoo, kernel updates require reboots	02:00
donavan01	does anyone why my usb drive is showing double the capacity that it should have	02:03
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Legits	Anyone have any idea on my broken initramfs?	02:09
WeThePeople	legits, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Initramfs	02:10
PyGuy	Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit?	02:10
PyGuy	WeThePeople: Turning the computer off and on didn't help :c	02:11
WeThePeople	pyguy, are you using unity or gnome	02:11
PyGuy	Unity	02:11
WeThePeople	might i suggest installing gnome	02:11
WeThePeople	gnome3	02:11
PyGuy	Will a GNOME3 based distro work, such as Cinnamon?	02:12
Gabboz_AFK	PyGuy, try it live first	02:12
WeThePeople	pyguy, have you checked alsa	02:14
WeThePeople	and pulseaudio settings	02:14
PyGuy	WeThePeople: Yeah, I've checked alsamixer and pavucontrol. Pavucontrol detects sound, but nothing comes out of my headphones	02:15
ransom	howdy	02:15
Legits	WeThePeople, I'm not sure that helps. I think initramfs is missing a hook (or has them in the wrong order). Is this something I can configure manually? update-initramfs doesn't get me anywhere.	02:15
AutoMatriX	erpo, I found that cat /var/spool/apt-mirror/var/archive-log.0 \| grep dsc is giving me the latest sourcefiles ... that's already something	02:16
WeThePeople	legits, idk	02:17
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WeThePeople	pyguy, something might be conflicting between alsa and pulseaudio	02:18
Dlt_mark^	Hi all, I would like to know how to fix when i use 'tcpdump -i eth0 vlan 6' there is no packet displayed on the screen but when I use My Apple mac it work great?	02:18
PyGuy	WeThePeople: That would make sense. Should I do something like purge pulseaudio?	02:19
spoon	betrayd: yeah, ./configure gives an error though. emailed realtek,hopefully they'll help	02:19
WeThePeople	pyguy, http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/	02:21
betrayd	spoon have you pastebinned the error somewhere	02:21
codepython777	when one uses useradd to create a new user, what is the default password?	02:21
spoon	betrayd: it's just a make error, make: Nothing to be done for `/home/alexandre/r/rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0006.0321.2011/Makefile'.	02:22
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jrib	codepython777: what makes you think there is one ;) Hint: you probably want to use "adduser" and not "useradd"	02:23
spoon	betrayd: here's the longform pastebin http://pastebin.com/FnkjzkkV	02:23
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=== megabitdragon is now known as zz_megabitdragon
PyGuy	WeThePeople: That didn't help :/	02:26
blackrock	Dash says: "sorry, there is nothing that matches your search"	02:27
WeThePeople	pyguy, can you get any sound from the sound card	02:27
blackrock	It should find a result /12.04	02:27
PyGuy	WeThePeople: Can't hear a thing	02:28
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Gabboz_AFK	PyGuy, you certain the card works? have you tried other speakers/earbuds to rule that out?	02:28
blackrock	But it shows purchasable music results, though	02:29
PyGuy	Gabboz_AFK: Yeah, the sound card works. I have tried other headphones and speakers	02:30
santoshbit2007__	hi All	02:36
santoshbit2007__	any Mouse Event Experts available here ??	02:36
santoshbit2007__	any Mouse Event Experts available here ??	02:36
Gabboz_AFK	santoshbit2007, just type out your question. it's easier that way for the rest of us	02:45
myth	Установить Gentoo, или умерли от употребления несвободного программного обеспечения.	02:46
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codepython777	when one uses useradd to create a new user, what is the default password?	02:50
ObrienDave	myth: try gentoo-ru	02:51
ObrienDave	myth: /join #gentoo-ru	02:51
Gabboz_AFK	codepython777, if you are on a desktop version it wont matter.. you cant login until a password is set	02:51
Gabboz_AFK	other than that, ive never tested out any further	02:51
codepython777	Gabboz_AFK: I'm on a server, and i see a script generating accounts without setting passwords. Seems like a security problem to me. Unless I'm mistaken	02:52
jrib	codepython777: same answer as before...	02:53
jrib	codepython777: what do you want to accomplish?	02:53
codepython777	jrib: Just want to know if its a security vulnerability to create accounts without setting the password using useradd?	02:53
jrib	codepython777: why would it be?	02:54
codepython777	Or does it create a secure random password	02:54
* AutoMatriX is going to leave soon, thanks for the help, guys ;)		02:54
jrib	codepython777: try logging in and see	02:54
Gabboz_AFK	codepython777, can you make an acct, logout and see if blank gets you in?	02:54
codepython777	It does not	02:54
Gabboz_AFK	also, can you read the source of this script?	02:54
codepython777	that much i tried	02:54
Gabboz_AFK	ok	02:55
jrib	codepython777: so, do you have any more questions?	02:55
betrayd	spoon you still around?	02:55
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codepython777	Gabboz_AFK: Here is the python script line: "sudo /usr/sbin/useradd %s -m -s /bin/bash -d %s/%s" % (newuser, HOME, newuser)	02:55
jrib	codepython777: what are you actually trying to accomplish? What is your end-goal?	02:56
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Gabboz	jrib, my guess is he encountered this and wants to grasp if its a sec hole.	02:57
codepython777	Gabboz: Exactly	02:57
jrib	codepython777: you can't login until you set a password	02:58
codepython777	thats good enough, thanks.	02:58
Gabboz	thats what i thought. :)	02:58
jrib	codepython777: I'd still urge you to share what led you to this question because there might be a better way to do whatever it is you are trying to do	02:58
codepython777	jrib: On one of our servers, we create users automatically based on who registers on a webserver. I was just wondering if the adduser had a security problem.	03:00
jrib	codepython777: ok, well if you care for details, check the /etc/shadown line for the user and then read "man shadow" about what a ! means	03:01
codepython777	jrib: Thanks. How do i set "!" for a given user?	03:03
jrib	codepython777: when lock an account (passwd -l), that should happen	03:03
jrib	codepython777: (sort of; see passwd's man page)	03:03
SARC	Is there a way to get the package name from a metapackage from the command line? For example, to find out that "mysql-server-5.5" is the package pointed to by "mysql-server"?	03:04
codepython777	jrib: I tried "passwd -l username" -- but the /etc/shadow line does not change?	03:04
jrib	SARC: you want to look for packages that PROVIDE a certain package?	03:04
jrib	codepython777: it should add a ! to the front	03:04
jrib	codepython777: (of the password hash)	03:04
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codepython777	it did	03:05
codepython777	didnt notice it with the large hash.	03:05
ObrienDave	SARC: or do you want to know the PARENT package name?	03:05
SARC	jrib: Well here's what I am trying to do. I have a script that does an unattended install of mysql. I store the root password, and use apt to install. Instead of specifying mysql-server5.5 (or whatever the latest version would be at any given time), I use the metapackage name mysql-server. When I try to purge the root password from the selections database, I cannot use the package name	03:08
SARC	mysql-server, because the ownership package is mysql-server-5.5. So, I was wondering how I can get mysql-server-5.5 (or whatever the latest version would be at any given time) from the mysql-server metapackage	03:08
ayzaaz172	http://q.gs/4214460/ubuntu-23e3	03:12
ObrienDave	SARC: wouldn't mysql-server-5.5 be considered a child or a dependency package if mysql-server is the meta or parent?	03:12
KxTwo	anyone familiar with pcsx	03:18
ShapeShifter499	I have made a ram disk using zram and its stored at /dev/zram2, how do I make sure its writable by my user? (i.e. chown MyUser:MyUser)	03:18
BAMbanda	I have an ubuntu 12.04 server vm with a bridged connection to a windows 7 32 bit host	03:19
BAMbanda	I cannot ping google.com, but can ping 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2, what could that mean?	03:19
Tyler	ŵ̢̥̬̮̪̠̖͖͖ͣͬͪ̌̑̃͆̈́̅͋͢͞͡h̛̞͚͍̞͕͈̲͈͕̩̺̗͛̄ͤ̓ͮ͐̚̚͢ͅā̬̣̬͓̖̯͍͈̟͔̝̦̹̺̫̑̇́̾́͘t̵̞̬̰͇̙̺̱͓͙̜̳̝̫͍ͮͨ͆̊̽ͮ̇̆̾̈́̀͜ͅ'̃͂͒̅̍̾̆͌̌̍̔̋ͫ̆ͧ̉̈́͏̧̼̱̱̻̮̲͔̮ș̵͎̜̙̼̫̪̣̣̺̣̺͓̻ͦͮ̇̊̔ͦ͐ͭ͠ͅͅ ͕̣̩̪̼̱̣̘̥̯̃ͫ̄ͨ̇ͤ͠͞ͅĝ̀ͭ̓͂̿͐͌̊ͦ҉͏̢̙͕̩͙͙͈̝͖̖̻̫͎͕̗̕ơ̘̤̱̯̱̯̯̘̞̜͔̟̄̇͋ͬ̂ͩ̉̓͆̃̀͠͞i̋ͯ͒�	03:20
ObrienDave	BAMbanda, possible DNS problem	03:20
BAMbanda	ObrienDave, where can I check my dns settings and configure it?	03:21
ObrienDave	BAMbanda, not sure, sorry	03:22
ShapeShifter499	anyone?	03:22
ObrienDave	BAMbanda, not sure but I think DNS is handled by your ISP	03:24
BAMbanda	ObrienDave, I just added the public DNS hosted by google (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.4) and it seems to be working. I also have the ones by my ISP. Thanks for the help	03:25
emolatur	I am /not/ natively a Linux guy... but I currently have ubuntu on here... I attempted to install Skype... it opens, and works, but crashes if I make a call... when it tries to report the issue, it says the report belongs to a package that is not installed?!	03:25
ObrienDave	BAMbanda, no prob	03:25
goddard	what is the most lightweight x based DE ? Does Awesome qualify, or is there something even more basic?	03:28
tones	emolatur which version of ubuntu?	03:28
emolatur	13.04	03:28
ObrienDave	ShapeShifter499, dont know how to check through terminal. i just right click for properties	03:29
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tones	http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/7-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html	03:31
tones	to fix skype	03:31
tones	http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/fix-skype-not-working-in-ubuntu-1304.html	03:33
tones	or this	03:33
ObrienDave	goddard, don't know about the VERY lightest, I use Xubuntu (XFCE) and there is Lubuntu (LXDE)	03:33
KxTwo	is pcsx still considered the best ps em for ubuntu?	03:33
lewowpard	KxTwo: do we have something better? i'm using it on windows tho	03:34
emolatur	Attempting.	03:35
KxTwo	well I am just playing with it now but it seems to be missing some basic features	03:35
emolatur	I don't think that's it but I'll try it :)	03:35
KxTwo	no turbo for one	03:35
KxTwo	I also cant play with settings or reset the emulator once i load a game	03:35
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binhua	你好	03:38
KxTwo	We speek english here :)	03:42
ShapeShifter499	!CN binhua	03:43
ShapeShifter499	oh he left	03:43
ShapeShifter499	is that even the right chan code for that?	03:43
ShapeShifter499	lol	03:43
KxTwo	!CN KxTwo	03:44
Dr_willis	!zn	03:44
ShapeShifter499	Dr_willis, ah	03:44
ObrienDave	!zn	03:44
Dr_willis	nope :)	03:44
StarOnD	if I have 4 partitions of type ext4 will I need one swap partition for each?	03:44
ShapeShifter499	>.<	03:44
ObrienDave	<ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zn	03:44
ShapeShifter499	!es	03:45
ubottu	En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.	03:45
ShapeShifter499	!ch	03:45
ubottu	The Swiss !LoCo team can be found in #ubuntu-ch (please speak English there) - Deutschsprachiger Ubuntu Support in #ubuntu-de - Aide Ubuntu en français dans #ubuntu-fr - Supporto Ubuntu in Italiano in #ubuntu-it	03:45
emolatur	Did not fix the problem.	03:45
ObrienDave	StarOnD, you would only need one for each one you use for an OS. not really necessary anyway	03:46
emolatur	I'll be back later.	03:46
somsip	goddard: I don't think awesome is one of the lightest WMs, but I do find it pretty unobtrusive	03:46
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StarOnD	I am trying out 2 linux distro's , it seemed to me that since it is a substitute for ram it would be just an empty space of type ext4 and any linux OS would be able to handle that,seems from wha you say that each OS will need 1 swap	03:47
somsip	StarOnD: awap can be shared	03:48
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ShapeShifter499	ok I'm trying to set permissions of my ram disk I created with zram located at /dev/zram2 I think I made the udev rules file correctly, does the following look ok? ---> KERNEL=="zram2", SUBSYSTEM=="block", OWNER="lance", MODE="0777"	03:48
somsip	*swap	03:48
ObrienDave	StarOnD, not really sure, but i would think you would only need one swap partition	03:48
dodo3773	StarOnD: No swap is swap not ext4. But you can share it between distros. You can use a swap file too if you wanted instead of a partition as well or you can just not use swap at all	03:49
StarOnD	somsip/obirendave,is it worth the trouble ? what is need to share swap? any special software ? I am thinking 5 GB of swap for my 4GB RAM in my ultrabook. I will also sometimes use it on older laptops with less ram	03:49
terriyu	StarOnD: I dual-boot two Linux distros and use a single swap partition	03:49
somsip	StarOnD: when you partition you just declare swap to be on the same partition to both installers. That's it	03:50
lewowpard	i cant save game but what can i say its emulator far from perfect	03:51
Dr_willis	run the windows version in wine. ;P	03:51
lewowpard	lol	03:51
ObrienDave	StarOnD, what somsip said ^^	03:51
Gallomimia	you don't even need swap with 4gigs of ram. if you declare 5 gigs of swap under ubuntu, you now have 9 gigs of ram	03:52
Gallomimia	of course if you have no swap and you use up all your ram, processes that ask for more will get killed. not much fun	03:52
ShapeShifter499	Dr_willis, happen to know anything about udev?	03:52
Dr_willis	ShapeShifter499, ive rarely had to touch it.	03:52
HasArrived	Problem with windows games in wine is that console scroll lock will not work.	03:52
StarOnD	so I partition my disk and create 3 partitions, 2 for 2 linux distros plus one swap?	03:52
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somsip	StarOnD: yes	03:53
StarOnD	somsip, I did not completely follow what you said since I am not an expert in installing, are you saying when I install the OS then I point to the SAME swap space for each OS ?	03:53
ObrienDave	StarOnD, yes	03:54
StarOnD	ObirenDave: ahh okay. thank you.	03:54
somsip	StarOnD: installer for 1st distro, create (lets say) sda1, sda2, sda3. sda1 is ext4 for 1st distro. sda2 is ext4 for 2nd distro. sda3 is swap for both. Install and format everything. 2nd distro install, sda2 for distro, sda3 for swap. No need to format. Does that help?	03:55
HasArrived	Would indeed mean that suspend to disk will only work for the last running OS	03:55
somsip	StarOnD: it assume sda1 is / for 1st distro and sda2 is / for 2nd distro of course	03:56
Guest22631	ano	03:56
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StarOnD	one more question : I have a new NTFS drive which I turned into ext4 using gparted, is there a quick way to split it into 4 partitions of type ext4 without resizing it ? I guess with resize I wll have to do it 4 times,no?	03:56
somsip	StarOnD: delete NTFS, create 4 new ext4. gparted will format as it goes	03:57
somsip	StarOnD: or delete existing ext4 and create 4 new ones. I misread the question	03:57
ObrienDave	StarOnD, resize and create the 4 partitions all at the same time	03:57
StarOnD	somsip,how do I create 4 new at the same time ??	03:57
somsip	StarOnD: one at a time	03:57
Guest22631	Hello	03:57
ShapeShifter499	guess there is only one way to know if those udev rules will work, REBOOT	03:58
ObrienDave	StarOnD, resize the first one, and the other 3, one at a time	03:58
Guest22631	my nick is not changin	03:58
StarOnD	oh no. that's boring. someone needs to add a feature to gparted : )	03:58
ObrienDave	install partitionmanager	03:59
HasArrived	Console cfdisk or fdisk will do the job	03:59
Gabboz	StarOnD, you want excitement? look into LVM	03:59
StarOnD	hasarrrived,okay thank you	04:00
StarOnD	for now I will stick to gparted,will research other options like LVM / partitionmanager later	04:00
HasArrived	Much faster than gparted	04:00
ObrienDave	StarOnD, you can still do them all at once with gparted.	04:01
Soweto	hi	04:02
StarOnD	ObrienDave,how is that ?	04:02
ObrienDave	give me a sec	04:02
PyGuy	Hey guys. Having trouble getting my Sound Blaster ZX card to work in Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit	04:03
PyGuy	Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything	04:03
HasArrived	Alsamixer?	04:04
HasArrived	Pyguy what shows alsamixer?	04:05
HasArrived	Console alsamixer	04:06
new	hello sir,..	04:06
PyGuy	Alsamixer shows the card normally and it's not muted, but again, I can't hear anything	04:06
new	can help me	04:06
new	can give instruction for safe my computer??	04:06
Gabboz	new just type out your problem	04:06
new	i use ubuntu 10.04,	04:06
new	how to configuration for safe?	04:07
Gabboz	you should consider a more recent version.. as for safety, i dont think its patched anymore	04:07
new	now, my computer connect to internet	04:07
new	and i don't how to check my safe	04:07
new	i want know how to setting(simple way) to configuration	04:08
Gabboz	enable the firewall	04:08
HasArrived	Console: ufw enable	04:09
HasArrived	This starts the firewall	04:10
new	just now,i have to do it.	04:10
HasArrived	But you shoud install ubuntu 13.04 which is in the open since few weeks	04:10
tones	from panel, system-administration-firewall configuration	04:10
new	yes.this is give massage. (firewall is active and enbled on system startup)	04:11
HasArrived	Open console and type: ufw enable (enter)	04:11
Gabboz	new, .. seriously, go to something modern.. 10.04 is too old	04:11
new	yes, sir,	04:11
new	ubuntu 13.04??	04:12
tones	https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 this site will scan all ports on your comuputer	04:12
ObrienDave	StarOnD, trying to remember how. brb	04:12
Gabboz	new, or 12.04 if you prefer long-term support	04:12
Gabboz	myself, i am on 12.04	04:12
new	ubuntu 13.04??i want its, but i have limited resource. my connection is low speed	04:13
Gabboz	ah	04:13
new	www.grc.com------.... <--is this safe for me when i click it?	04:13
tones	yes it's safe	04:14
HasArrived	You can buy a computer journal with ubuntu live cd at a kiosk.	04:14
PyGuy	HasArrived: Got any idea on how I can get sound?	04:14
ntzrmtthihu777	hello. I've been a 'buntu user for about a year, and I'm kinda dissapointed in the direction canonical is taking it. could someone suggest an alternative distro? or is this more of an ubuntu-offtopic discussion?	04:14
tones	new, it just pings your ports to see which are closed or open	04:14
StarOnD	ObrienDave,not a problem take your time : )	04:14
HasArrived	777 try xubuntu. Its like ubuntu was before they started the fancy stuff.	04:15
new	ok sir, i will try its.	04:16
tones	ntzrmtthuhu777 10.04 lucid	04:16
new	but i have a question,caused my fundamental in network is minus	04:16
fractaline	ntzrmtthihu777, what are you unhappy with/	04:16
fractaline	?	04:16
new	this is how i connect to internet. me-->isp provider-->internet	04:16
new	when i try to whatismyipaddress, that is show a ip address number?	04:17
HasArrived	Xubuntu 13.04	04:17
new	my question?,that number who belong? me or my isp provider??	04:18
ShapeShifter499	Alright udev rules worked, virtualbox can now access that ram disk	04:18
tones	it's your designated address from the ip provider	04:18
new	is that mean i connect throught to internet cyber? ( me --->internet )or (me -->isp provider -->internet)	04:20
somsip	!ot \| new	04:20
ubottu	new: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!	04:20
tones	me-isp provider-internet	04:21
tones	your ip number will be different if your using the cafes wifi	04:22
new	so, other people who want to hack me, must to do: hack my isp provider,then hack me?	04:22
tones	no	04:23
somsip	new: you would be better reading about this elsewhere. It is not an issue for Ubuntu support	04:23
arasi	hi all	04:23
new	no?, he can hack me without hack my isp provider before?	04:24
PyGuy	Hey guys. Having trouble getting my Sound Blaster ZX card to work in Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit. Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything	04:24
new	ok sir, just now i have connected to your link that you give tome,..	04:25
new	show:Proceed button	04:25
new	am i press it?	04:26
somsip	new: can you stop now please. What you are asking is nothing to do with support	04:26
HasArrived	Pyguy you could try the ubuntu 13.04 live cd and if it works then upgrade your system to 13.04. (just a try)	04:26
ntzrmtthihu777	fractaline: seems canonical is going the way of Mac	04:26
PyGuy	HasArrived: I have tried that before but got nothing	04:27
somsip	ntzrmtthihu777: it is more of an offtopic discussion	04:27
ntzrmtthihu777	somsip: yeah, I figured. why I asked :P	04:27
fractaline	ntzrmtthihu777, pm	04:27
new	somsip. ok ,i'm sorry about my question	04:27
new	caused i am newbie, and you are maybe master than me	04:27
somsip	new: if you have a support issue, just ask. But this is not the place to get general advice about security of how interent connections work	04:27
new	ok	04:28
Gabboz	ntzrmtthihu777, FYI, Mint 15 RC was just released and you might want to check out Pinguy	04:28
new	i'm sorry	04:28
tones	new, click proceed, and it will give you a readout of your ports security	04:28
somsip	tones: it's cool that you're trying to help, but please take this to pm if you want to do this	04:29
new	thanks,for somsip , tones, and you all here	04:29
ntzrmtthihu777	Gabboz: gave pinguy a shot, but creator left too much cruft in it	04:30
new	ok, tones, i have to do it.thx,.	04:30
ntzrmtthihu777	its nice for average pc users, but once I started customizing it it started falling apart	04:30
somsip	ntzrmtthihu777: given you asked, and you got a reply, it would be polite not to ignore it and please continue this in OT. Thanks	04:30
Gabboz	ntzrmtthihu777, yep.. but i wasnt aware what you were looking for	04:31
Gabboz	i just recalled.. sabayon is another liked distro ntzrmtthihu777	04:31
new	i have question, for my ubuntu,	04:31
ntzrmtthihu777	somsip: np. I'm discussing it with fractaline in /q right now, and Gabboz just asked a question, woulda been rude to ignore it :P	04:31
ntzrmtthihu777	Gabboz: feel like heading to ot?	04:32
Gabboz	ntzrmtthihu777, pm me if ya want	04:32
Gabboz	i dont know where ot chan is ;)	04:32
somsip	ntzrmtthihu777: you have many options. One of them is to do your best to keep OT chat in the right channel.	04:32
somsip	!ot \| Gabboz	04:32
ubottu	Gabboz: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!	04:32
new	when i try to install packages, conflict libc6 >=2.15 with libc6-i686.	04:32
new	who to replace it?	04:33
PyGuy	Hey guys. Having trouble getting my Sound Blaster ZX card to work in Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit. Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything	04:33
new	its happent when i try to complete perl installation	04:33
new	sory not perl, but ruby	04:33
new	sory not perl, but ruby	04:33
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nassion	my screen goes wonky after login, just installed 13.04, anyway to start in 'safe mode' to fix the graphics?	04:35
OerHeks	PyGuy, did it ever work, because all i find are bugreports it SB zx does not work.	04:36
ntzrmtthihu777	well here is a question that is not ot. I should like to wireless my HP officejet 8600, any assist with that?	04:36
PyGuy	OerHeks: Some people on this IRC have gotten it to work before	04:36
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Dr_willis	ntzrmtthihu777, that has built in wireless?	04:39
ntzrmtthihu777	yeah	04:40
Dr_willis	PyGuy, you may want to post/search on askubuntu.com and post there what all you have done to try to get it going.	04:40
PyGuy	Dr_willis: will do. I'm gonna call it a night.	04:40
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new	how to replace its? libc6-i686 with libc6>=2.15??	04:45
Dr_willis	messing with libc? that can get scary	04:46
new	not.	04:46
ntzrmtthihu777	Dr_willis: hmm, I just figured it out, I think.	04:46
Dr_willis	weird that its even having the issue.	04:46
Dr_willis	!info lic6-i686	04:46
ubottu	Package lic6-i686 does not exist in raring	04:46
Dr_willis	!info libc6-i686	04:46
ubottu	Package libc6-i686 does not exist in raring	04:46
Gabboz	haha	04:47
new	thx sir, i don't check it before	04:47
Dr_willis	or thats not the package name	04:48
nassion	my screen goes wonky after login, just installed 13.04, anyway to start in 'safe mode' to fix the graphics?	04:48
new	thx dr_willis	04:49
Dr_willis	wonky means what exactly. ;)	04:51
nassion	lots of lines, compleatly unusable	04:51
Dr_willis	if its a 3d/compiz issue. you can install a differnt wm,. and try loging in with that	04:51
Dr_willis	such as 'lubuntu' or even just 'openbox'	04:52
Dr_willis	login screen is fine. but the users desktop is messed up.	04:52
nassion	the graphics work fine up until the user login screen.	04:52
arasi	Hi all...i am using usb to ethernet convertor it's detecting as a usb0 instead of eth0,how i will convert usb0 to eth0,please can anyone can help me to solve this issue...	04:52
Gabboz	arasi, what does lsusb tell you about the adapter?	04:53
ObrienDave	StarOnD, got it. the trick is to make the entire drive an EXTENDED partition, then create 4 LOGICAL partitions. 3 of EXT4 and 1 swap	04:54
ObrienDave	StarOnD, cand be done all at once :))	04:54
ObrienDave	*can	04:54
ObrienDave	where can I paste a screenshot?	04:55
Gabboz	ObrienDave, imgur.com or min.us	04:56
ObrienDave	StarOnD, screenshot: http://en.zimagez.com/full/4b5a465f3e23f346329a618ec91320d43b0fbfebbff6ec116924c0fb25bf0a9d114a3c65d8077c859816dc8c48cdf84b692330916a486220.php	04:56
ObrienDave	Gabboz, thanks, already had that URL :))	04:57
new	sir, i want to ask,.c++=g++ in ubuntu 10.04??	04:58
new	c++ = g++ in ubuntu??	04:59
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ntzrmtthihu777	new: more or less. g++ is the gnu c++ compiler, iirc	05:01
new	ok sir,	05:01
new	to this century, are we need to learn assembly language in ubuntu 10.04??	05:03
new	or we don't need it	05:03
ntzrmtthihu777	for the most part no one needs to learn asm, but you can ;)	05:04
StarOnD	obriendave:let me have a look	05:04
new	;)	05:05
ObrienDave	StarOnD, no prob	05:05
new	what is the most programming language in ubuntu 10.04?	05:05
StarOnD	obriendave, I did the same one at a time	05:05
StarOnD	almost like yours, did you do this at one go??	05:05
arasi	Gabboz: in lsusb i am getting Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0fe6:8101	05:05
ObrienDave	StarOnD, yes, you have to declare each one, one at a time. but still apply it all at once	05:06
StarOnD	hmm okay,I declared + applied	05:06
StarOnD	one at a time	05:06
ObrienDave	gotcha	05:06
StarOnD	okay I get it! thank you. Obriendave	05:07
ObrienDave	StarOnD, now i get to fix my thumb drive LMAO :))	05:07
Neozonz	im trying to reinstall applications from a previous server via dpkg --get-selections > installed-software	05:09
Neozonz	but running into these issues upon installing	05:09
Neozonz	E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.	05:09
Neozonz	E: Internal error, problem resolver broke stuff	05:09
dyu	is it normal to get quantal packages for a precise box?	05:09
WeThePeople	dyu, yes for dependencies	05:10
dyu	i'm getting them for my kernel and kernel headers	05:11
dyu	$ sudo apt-get upgrade	05:12
dyu	Reading package lists... Done	05:12
dyu	Building dependency tree	05:12
dyu	Reading state information... Done	05:12
dyu	The following packages have been kept back:	05:12
dyu	linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal linux-image-generic-lts-quantal	05:12
FloodBot1	dyu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.	05:12
dyu	0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.	05:12
dyu	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709043/	05:13
dyu	sorry about that. first time here	05:13
ObrienDave	dyu: use update manager. terminal does that to me as well	05:13
unknown_had	hello, please tell me how I may create a LVM out of / partation	05:13
unknown_had	as I can't unmount / partation	05:13
Neozonz	Any ideas about my E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. issue?	05:14
unknown_had	and when I am trying to create a LVM at the time of installation of OS it's not allowing me to	05:14
dyu	ObrienDavid: is update manager the gui thing? i can't use that.	05:14
Grub	I really need some help.I had ubuntu and windows 7 dual booting on asus g75 with efi.I tried to update ubuntu and it failed.--I deleted that partition and formated and installed ubuntu.NOW i get error: no such partition. GRUB RESCUE	05:18
Grub	I tried everything to get rid of grub.	05:18
dyu	nevermind. i think i have my answer here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Release/Rolling. tl;dr: yes, it's normal	05:18
Shubuntu	guys does anyone have an issue with facebook chat here?	05:19
Shubuntu	i cannot keep connected	05:19
Shubuntu	when i load facebook it connects for a few secs, then says unable to connect	05:19
Pdqman	what version are you running?	05:19
Shubuntu	ubuntu 13.04	05:19
Shubuntu	same on all my browsers, firefox, chromium, konq, ...	05:20
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gwinbee	13.04 is a thing now, I hadn't noticed.	05:20
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Shubuntu	i tried clearing the cache, changing nameservers etc, didn't work	05:21
HasArrived	Dyu Would it not be the correct way first sudo apt-get install update and thereafter upgrade?	05:21
Shubuntu	i even changed from adobe flash to gnash	05:21
Shubuntu	still no change	05:21
dyu	HasArrived:there was an update before that. i just forgot to place it there	05:22
Shubuntu	any ideas?	05:22
Guest62966	hello and thanks for any help for this obviously simple question.... I would like to install hunspell on ubuntu 12.04. I downloaded the .tar.gz package in my downloads folder (/home/me/Downloads). I want to compile it. what commands do I need to give?	05:22
bazhang	!info hunspell \| Guest62966	05:23
ubottu	Guest62966: hunspell (source: hunspell): spell checker and morphological analyzer (program). In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.2-4ubuntu1 (raring), package size 45 kB, installed size 164 kB	05:23
bazhang	dont compile , install from repos Guest62966	05:24
Guest62966	yes	05:24
Guest62966	okay. how?	05:24
bazhang	!software \| Guest62966	05:24
ubottu	Guest62966: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents	05:24
gwinbee	Guest62966: press ctrl+t, type sudo apt-get install hunspell	05:25
Ruahine	I have a problem: I just installed Ubuntu. I told it to reformat and install on my old Linux partition (Arch Linux). Installation claimed to be succesful. But now when I boot the computer I get a GRUB error. I believe this is because I had GRUB doing stuff for Arch. Any suggestions for where/what to look for to fix?	05:25
Guest62966	thanks. much easier then I thought.	05:25
bazhang	gwinbee, control alt t	05:25
ra-fi	hi i have installed cutecom 0.22.0 in my host when i try to work on it, i just press the opendevice button it shows could not open, what is that issues	05:25
gwinbee	bazhang: ah, right, derp	05:25
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Shubuntu	any help is appreciated guys	05:27
Shubuntu	it's definitely not my dns, i've changed it multiple times	05:28
Shubuntu	it's not flash	05:28
ObrienDave	Ruahine, are you using a live/install CD or USB?	05:28
bazhang	!patience \| Shubuntu	05:28
ubottu	Shubuntu: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/	05:28
Shubuntu	ubottu: i've searched for hour	05:28
ubottu	Shubuntu: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)	05:28
Shubuntu	hours*	05:28
bazhang	Shubuntu, be patient	05:29
Ruahine	ObrienDave: Just installed it	05:29
Ruahine	from USB that is	05:29
Ruahine	(misread question)	05:29
ObrienDave	Ruahine, i would suggest doing it again. you might look into boot-repair	05:29
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Grub	thanks	05:37
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rigo88	hi	05:45
ObrienDave	hello	05:45
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Dr_willis	mello	05:55
ObrienDave	way too quiet :))	05:59
gwinbee	for the past 30 or so minutes, ubuntu has been running perfectly all over the world.	06:02
gwinbee	well, the english-speaking world	06:03
ObrienDave	oh NOOOOO! don't jinx it! :))	06:03
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lucky2	fuck	06:09
erratic	shit	06:10
IdleOne	!language	06:10
ubottu	Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.	06:10
Amirr	oh	06:10
fractaline	jinxed...	06:10
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pushkarajthorata	has anyone upgraded to ubuntu 13	06:10
pushkarajthorata	from 12:10	06:11
Tm_T	pushkarajthorata: I bet many	06:11
lucky2	its my first time coming here	06:11
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fractaline	welcome	06:11
Tm_T	lucky2: please familiarise yourself with the guidelines, see channel topic for further information	06:11
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andre_	hi. I recently upgraded to 13.04 and noticed that the gdb shipped with it is awfully slow. is there a specific reason to ship a "7.5.91.20130417-cvs-ubuntu" which looks like a random build from cvs instead of using an upstream 7.5 or 7.6 release, both of which seem to work fine?	06:12
ObrienDave	yea, knew it wouldn't last. SIGH	06:12
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ObrienDave	andre_, usually the repos offer older versions for stability reasons	06:14
ObrienDave	andre_, you can always install the newer versions, if you like	06:15
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andre_	ObrienDave: 7.5.91.20130417 looks like bleeding edge at the time, so there must be some reason to use that instead of a tested upstream release. I wonder what that reason could have been.	06:16
somsip	!info gdb	06:17
ubottu	gdb (source: gdb): The GNU Debugger. In component main, is optional. Version 7.6~20130417-0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 2211 kB, installed size 5865 kB	06:17
ObrienDave	could be anything. i haven't a clue	06:17
somsip	andre_: so...where did you get the 7.5.91 version from?	06:17
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andre_	somsip: from that package. if you install it, and run gdb --version it says :/data/dev/debugger/gdb-ubuntu-13.04/gdb-7.6~20130417$ gdb --version -> GNU gdb (GDB) 7.5.91.20130417-cvs-ubuntu	06:18
ObrienDave	andre_, was that version on the install disk?	06:18
andre_	ObrienDave: I don't have an install disk, just upgraded	06:18
ObrienDave	ok	06:19
somsip	andre_: If that is the case, you may need to raise a bug.	06:19
somsip	andre_: have you ever installed gdb from a PPA in the past?	06:19
andre_	somsip: so arguably even the build looks odd as the package version does not really coincides with what version has been patched into the binary	06:19
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somsip	I see other bug reports concerning other issues that suggest that the current raring version of gdb does return the 7.5.91 version, eg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gitg/+bug/1173428	06:21
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ubottu	Launchpad bug 1173428 in gitg (Ubuntu) "gitg crashes on start" [Undecided,Confirmed]	06:21
andre_	somsip: unlikely, but I won't want to rule that out. I usually build from source or some distribution's patched packages for reference builds	06:21
somsip	andre_: so maybe this is one to raise to the package maintainters	06:21
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andre_	somsip: my last ubuntu specific builds are 9.04 and 9.10, so it looks like the releases in between were ok	06:24
andre_	somsip: is there a chance that 13.04 packages would get changed as result of a report?	06:24
somsip	andre_: it's one to raise with the package maintainers I think	06:25
ripthejacker	what does the port 8888 in ubuntu listen to?	06:26
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ripthejacker	it is not associated with any PIDs	06:26
ra-fi	hi can you please tell me how to map a ttyS0 with getty on ubuntu host	06:27
ObrienDave	ripthejacker, http://pastebin.com/B8vpLHR7	06:31
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ObrienDave	ripthejacker, OPPS! just a sec	06:32
somsip	andre_: I would hope that, if there is an error, it would be corrected.	06:32
ObrienDave	ripthejacker, now try it. http://pastebin.com/B8vpLHR7	06:33
ripthejacker	ObrienDave: i have none of those running	06:34
ripthejacker	ObrienDave: do you know how to check which process opened that port?	06:34
ObrienDave	ripthejacker, no sorry. someone here might know	06:35
ripthejacker	ok	06:35
ripthejacker	thanks for helping	06:35
ripthejacker	:)	06:35
andre_	somsip: well, it's working, it's just very slow in some circumstances	06:37
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dirk	can someone please help and brand new ubuntu user	06:50
ObrienDave	dirk: just ask please	06:51
dirk	great	06:51
dirk	i just installed ubuntu and i'm using the update manager to get the codecs and stuff to play a movie and it just seems to hang after i click the install updates button	06:52
ObrienDave	have you done all the upgrades first?	06:53
dirk	the window pops up saying applying changes but under it just says "waiting" the progress bar doesn't change. it isn't downloading anything	06:53
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ripthejacker	she's the reason terry is injured all the time	06:54
ObrienDave	hmm, open a terminal, type 'sudo apt-get update'. put your password in when it asks	06:55
ObrienDave	dirk, no quotes	06:55
dirk	ObrienDave.... do you know if i have to change a setting.... like i said i'm brand new to ubuntu, sick of windows and to poor for a mac... so far i really like how you don't have to install drivers and crap but this is giving a problem	06:55
Seanduan	hi	06:56
dirk	i don't know how to open a terminal man... i'm sory can you help me out there	06:56
ObrienDave	dirk, let's get the updates done first	06:56
dirk	ok no problem... but i don't know how to open a terminal i'm not sure how to do that.... if you don't want to explain the simple process... i can google how to open a terminal	06:58
dirk	im kinda stupid to this os... i'm sorry	06:58
ObrienDave	dirk, somewhere in your applications list you should see terminal	06:58
ObrienDave	dirk, no problem. it takes some time to get used to the new OS	06:59
vitimiti	hi o/	06:59
linu	Hi all .. i am using usb to ethernet converter to connect ethernet via usb lines. if i connect this device i am getting as a usb0 instead of eth0 in my ifconfig configuration.if i assign IP address to usb0 its working fine,but i dont want to use usb0 configuration , i want eth0 configuration,how to change this configuration.usb0 to eth0. do i need to change usb driver or need to change udev rules.....please any one can suggest me to solve this issue.	07:00
dirk	sorry man give me a min to find it	07:01
ObrienDave	ok, no prob	07:01
ObrienDave	linu, not sure. i think you're stuck using usb0	07:02
dirk	<ObrienDave>.............. when i type it in, it asks for my password... but as i type it in no charecters are showing up and it's giving me E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is an	07:04
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ObrienDave	dirk, ok. you need to close update center and try again. not showing your password is a security feature	07:05
ObrienDave	dirk, you can use the up arrow to replay commands	07:05
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dirk	ok let me try again	07:06
ObrienDave	sure	07:06
dirk	E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?	07:07
davidfetter	hello	07:07
ObrienDave	dirk, still? you need to close all update programs to clear this error	07:08
davidfetter	is there a utility that lets you send things to a paste site from stdin, files, etc.? i'm thinking of something like fedora's fpaste http://linux.die.net/man/1/fpaste	07:08
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Myrtti	!info pastebinit \| davidfetter	07:09
ubottu	davidfetter: pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3-4ubuntu1 (raring), package size 15 kB, installed size 172 kB	07:09
davidfetter	Myrtti, thanks :)	07:09
JediUnixMaster	[new to node] earlier i installed nodejs by sudo apt-get install nodejs … in the nodejs chat I'm told thats old, that i need chris lea repo, so I'm considering uninstalling and adding chris lea PPA from the following link and wonder if that is wise? Thoughts? https://launchpad.net/~chris-lea/+archive/node.js/	07:09
ObrienDave	JediUnixMaster, i use that PPA. it's safe	07:09
JediUnixMaster	thank you ObrienDave	07:10
smoke	anyone using nvidia drivers on 13.04 and getting screen freezes?	07:11
dirk	i have the ubuntu software center qued for a few proceses but i closed the application... should i open the application and cancel the software i'm trying to get even tho the window is closed	07:11
ObrienDave	dirk, you can only update your system one way at a time. either terminal, update center, synaptic, etc.	07:11
ObrienDave	dirk, yes please	07:11
ObrienDave	JediUnixMaster, no need to uninstall, the PPA will overwrite the old version	07:13
blazemore	Can anybody recommend a simple GUI utility to block access to certain websites?	07:14
blazemore	Perhaps even at certain times	07:14
dirk	is there some kinda task manager because i think i have quit all the apps............ i only have mozilla and the terminal open as far as i can tell.... the box on the left of the screen only has the little white arrows on mozilla and terminal	07:14
ObrienDave	blazemore, most major browsers have that capability. you need an add-on	07:15
blazemore	ObrienDave: I remember reading a roundup of different tools in Linux Format about a year ago, but I can't find that issue	07:15
blazemore	ObrienDave: And they were definitely system-wide. Aimed at child-proofing a system	07:15
blazemore	dirk: try gnome-system-monitor	07:16
DonQ	_	07:16
ObrienDave	dirk, ok, try the terminal command again. if not, well have to go through task manager or you might have to logoff and back on	07:16
donnie	How can I launch the sessions and start up app from the terminal	07:16
ObrienDave	blazemore, he has update center stuck in update :)	07:17
blazemore	f**k it, reboot	07:17
ObrienDave	agreed	07:17
blazemore	Not worth the hassle :P	07:17
ObrienDave	agreed	07:17
blazemore	Once it's come back out of reboot, if it's still not working I can help you	07:18
blazemore	tl;dr - "sudo dpkg-configure -a ; sudo apt-get -f install"	07:18
ObrienDave	he's really new. i'm trying to be easy on him :)	07:18
blazemore	OK	07:18
blazemore	ObrienDave: A better way to phrase my question would be - "What good alternatives to NetNanny are there for Linux?"	07:19
ObrienDave	you're looking at it ;))	07:19
blazemore	What do you mean?	07:19
dirk	ok sorry guys i just got the system monitor up... what am i doing with it? or should i just reboot?	07:19
blazemore	dirk: Just reboot	07:20
ObrienDave	dirk, yes. go ahead	07:20
ObrienDave	we'll be here	07:20
blazemore	dirk: It's what I'd do in that situation and I've been using Linux since 2003	07:20
ObrienDave	a logout may not kill the update program	07:20
dirk	i'm kinda afraid to reboot it gave me thousands of lines of errors and killing this and that in the dos mode before itfinially started	07:20
ObrienDave	we call it command mode not dos ;D	07:21
dirk	ok cya in a few then..... thanx by the way....	07:21
ObrienDave	welcome	07:21
blazemore	> mfw Linux Mint already comes with something called "mint-nanny" installed	07:21
ObrienDave	blazemore, ohhh, i thought WE were NetNannies ;)	07:22
szahrat	satanic ubuntu	07:22
blazemore	"Domain blocker" in the menu - it doesn't get much easier than http://i.imgur.com/KfMr5e3.png	07:22
ObrienDave	looks simple enough	07:23
szahrat	satanic	07:24
blazemore	szahrat: What's your point?	07:25
szahrat	was feeling high thinking of the ubuntu satanic edition	07:26
ObrienDave	there is a flavor called satanic ubuntu LMAO	07:26
blazemore	There is. The story behind that is there was an Ubuntu Christian Edition that came with net filter preconfigured, and some bible study software	07:27
blazemore	Then some angsty teenagers decided to make "satanic edition"	07:27
ObrienDave	yup	07:27
foofoobar	Hi. I just got a really bad system crash. After the crash I rebooted, got a new error message while booting and had to restart. I had to repeat this 3 times until I could boot normal. This is the first crash message:	07:27
foofoobar	http://imgur.com/hoNx0WX	07:27
foofoobar	Can someone tell me what the hell this was? I was in the browser when suddenly all crashed and this message appeared	07:27
blazemore	foofoobar: My gut instinct is the beginnings of your hard-drive failing, but I base that on nothing	07:28
matanya	foofoobar: swap issue	07:28
matanya	i guess the same as blazemore	07:28
blazemore	foofoobar: You're back into the system now?	07:28
foofoobar	blazemore: it's a SSD	07:28
foofoobar	blazemore: yes	07:29
matanya	foofoobar: do fsck	07:29
blazemore	foofoobar: Boot from a liveCD and fsck your drive	07:29
foofoobar	After this I rebooted and got this message: http://imgur.com/qA8DHDy	07:29
ObrienDave	ouch. that's why i don't trust SSDs	07:30
foofoobar	after this I rebooted again and got a message something like BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [swapper/1:0] and BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s!	07:31
foofoobar	then I rebooted again and it worked all ..	07:31
ObrienDave	how old is the SSD?	07:32
blazemore	yeah foofoobar I'd look at contacting Apple	07:32
szahrat	foofoobar was it working well before	07:33
foofoobar	ObrienDave: max. 1 year	07:33
ObrienDave	foofoobar, sounds to me like it'e dying	07:33
ObrienDave	*it's	07:33
matanya	yup, sounds so	07:34
ObrienDave	that's why i don't trust SSDs	07:34
matanya	no the best idea to put a swap on SSD, btw	07:34
matanya	*not	07:34
foofoobar	szahrat: yeah it was working and out of nothing it crashed	07:34
foofoobar	matanya: why?	07:34
matanya	SSD's are good at read, bad at write	07:35
blazemore	matanya: Older SSDs don't handle the kind of demands that swap places on them very well	07:35
matanya	swapping is writing, and a lot	07:35
foofoobar	But this SSD is not very old..	07:35
rigo88	hi	07:35
matanya	the best use of ssd is the boot process	07:35
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foofoobar	It's an old macbook (mid 2010) and I replaced the dvd drive with a SSD	07:35
szahrat	foofoobar how did it crash? was it a reboot or a resume from hibernation?	07:35
snypzz	help	07:36
foofoobar	szahrat: I was working in the browser and then chrome tab crashed and a second after this the window manager crashed (black screen) and a second after I got this message I made a photo from	07:36
szahrat	snyppz you should just ask the question	07:36
matanya	foofoobar: contact apple	07:36
foofoobar	matanya: the SSD is not from apple, I placed it myself in my macbook	07:37
rigo88	what if my tevii s471 is not recognised? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709086/ i have the latest from all (worked last time for 3-4 months with 12.04 + 3.5.4) but now with 13.04 + 3.9 and either with 12.10 + 3.5.0, 3.5.4, 3.6.3 no luck. just the same em	07:37
snypzz	tyring to get USB ASUS 53 dualband working on ubuntu 13.04	07:37
matanya	foofoobar: just try fsck it	07:37
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snypzz	ASUS SABERTOOTH A77 motherboard	07:37
foofoobar	matanya: can I run it with the system running or do I have to boot from a livecd?	07:37
matanya	foofoobar: must reboot	07:38
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foofoobar	matanya: can you recommend a livecd?	07:38
ObrienDave	rigo88, check video for loose cable or card	07:38
matanya	foofoobar: the ubuntu install cd is good	07:38
ObrienDave	foofoobar, ANY live cd will work	07:39
foofoobar	okay	07:39
snypzz	any asus drivers	07:39
matanya	snypzz: what isn't working?	07:39
rigo88	i think either that there is some dust in the slot or something... its pretty annoying.	07:39
snypzz	also have the EDIMAX AC1200 not working on UBUNTU 13.04	07:40
ObrienDave	rigo88, probably just a bad connection	07:40
foofoobar	matanya: ObrienDave and after this I should put the swap on the hdd?	07:40
Bgr_bgr	hii	07:40
Bgr_bgr	i m just testing	07:40
matanya	good idead foofoobar	07:40
rigo88	shit i suck with the thing since 2 days now :D	07:40
AnkitAgrawal	Hi.....I messed something in ubuntu 12.10 recovery mode bcoz of which I am getting 'ieee80211 phy0 : ........' instead of the login screen... any solutions?	07:41
szahrat	foofoobar try creating a separate swap partition	07:41
ObrienDave	foofoobar, yes, and modify fstab to load most temp files to ramdisk if you can	07:41
Bgr_bgr	what this is all about	07:41
Bgr_bgr	????	07:41
ObrienDave	rigo88, keep it clean please	07:41
matanya	AnkitAgrawal: can you please be more detailed?	07:42
ObrienDave	Bgr_bgr, may we help you?	07:42
rigo88	u should add this line to the fstab:	07:43
rigo88	tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0	07:43
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : I am using ubuntu 12.10...Since a few days, my ubuntu does not boot to the login screen after a hard shutdown(eg: heat)....Hence I went into the recovery mode	07:45
foofoobar	my fstab looks strange.. UUID=6dd239ec-863c-444b-84ed-fde64f2d91b3 none swap sw 0 0	07:46
matanya	ok, and what is the problem with that AnkitAgrawal ?	07:46
foofoobar	I expected something like /dev/sda5 instead of this UUID thing	07:46
matanya	you can change that foofoobar	07:46
AnkitAgrawal	matanya: I performed some apt-get update after logging as root from recovery mode and disk check	07:46
histo	foofoobar: you can use sudo blkid to list all your disks by UUID so you can understand which partition is which	07:47
ObrienDave	foofoobar, UUID is unique to every device	07:47
ObrienDave	wb dirk :)	07:47
rigo88	foofoobar: thats normal. i think.	07:47
matanya	AnkitAgrawal: i still don't see where is the problem	07:48
histo	foofoobar: We now use uuid because it is more predictable than /dev/sdX# which can change.	07:48
foofoobar	matanya: so to create a new swap: 1) Create partition on my hdd 2) Change fstab swap to the new partition 3) swapoff -a; mkswap /dev/sdbX; swapon -a ?	07:48
ObrienDave	DIRK_, you ready to continue?	07:48
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : And now when I boot, the original problem of no login screen is still there...but it also keeps outputting something like 'ieee80211 phy0 : ......' along with a timestamp	07:48
histo	!swap \| foofoobar	07:48
ubottu	foofoobar: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info	07:48
foofoobar	histo: yeah I'm currently on that page. Just want to verify that I understood it correct	07:49
DIRK_	when you first boot up is it normal for the screen to go purple for awhile and then it start saying it can't find the boot file or something... then lines and lines of commands pour down the screen killing this and that	07:49
szahrat	foofoobar have you created the swap file urself?	07:49
matanya	yes foofoobar	07:49
foofoobar	szahrat: the current? No, the installer did it	07:49
foofoobar	matanya: can I do this while the system is running or also from livecd?	07:49
matanya	you can	07:49
matanya	though i'd recommend different drive if you have	07:50
matanya	not just a partition	07:50
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : ??	07:50
ObrienDave	DIRK_, possibly because you got suck in an upgrade situation	07:50
foofoobar	matanya: The new swap will be on the hdd	07:50
DIRK_	ya i'm ready... sudo get-update? i forgot	07:50
matanya	AnkitAgrawal: what runlevel are you in?	07:50
szahrat	AnkitAgrawal, whats actually ur question?	07:51
matanya	AnkitAgrawal: use the runlevel command	07:51
ObrienDave	DIRK_, let's continue. open a terminal. "sudo apt-get update"	07:51
AnkitAgrawal	I am currently on windows	07:51
foofoobar	sda (/) = SDD and swap currently; sdb = HDD currently only for files. I will move the swap to the hdd then	07:51
ObrienDave	no quotes	07:51
AnkitAgrawal	matanya , szahrat : I am currently on windows	07:51
matanya	so go on ubuntu AnkitAgrawal	07:51
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : ok....but it wont show the login screen...should I then go into recovery mode?	07:52
ObrienDave	DIRK_, once that finishes, "sudo apt-get upgrade"	07:52
matanya	foofoobar: hint for next time: ssh for /boot /hdd for / and /home	07:52
matanya	what happens if you try the gui and not the recovery AnkitAgrawal ?	07:52
foofoobar	matanya: the root file system on the hdd?	07:53
matanya	yes foofoobar	07:53
foofoobar	I thought its a good idea placing this on the sdd because it's faster to load stuff from there	07:53
matanya	or if you barely change it, it can be on ssd foofoobar	07:53
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : the statements similar to this query show up with a timestamp...https://www.google.co.in/search?q=ieee80211+phy0+brcms_ops_bss_info_changed&oq=ieee80211+phy0&aqs=chrome.2.57j0l3.9106j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8	07:54
matanya	it depends on the type of user you are foofoobar	07:54
matanya	ok, AnkitAgrawal seems like you have driver issues	07:54
Dirk	sorry man the page keeps saying it must restart and shuts down on me...	07:54
ObrienDave	Dirk, which page?	07:55
foofoobar	matanya: so all the new laptops only have a SSD, they also have their swap/root in their ssd, is this a bad behaviour?	07:55
Dirk	this chat site page	07:55
ObrienDave	you on WebChat?	07:55
Dirk	it seems stable now	07:55
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : I guess this problem because of installing and then removing gnome....before that everything was fine	07:55
Dirk	ya	07:55
matanya	foofoobar: swap is a bad idea, root is mostly ok	07:56
Dirk	webchat.freenode.net	07:56
matanya	AnkitAgrawal: i doubt it	07:56
szahrat	Dirk get xchat	07:56
ObrienDave	Dirk, ok, cheer up. we'll get through this one way or another :))	07:56
matanya	AnkitAgrawal: if you can get a shell, i can help out	07:56
Dirk	lol... ok sudo get-update ???	07:56
foofoobar	matanya: okay. so first I will check with fsck when I have a bootcd available	07:56
ObrienDave	DIRK_, let's continue. open a terminal. "sudo apt-get update"	07:56
foofoobar	then I will move my swap to my hdd	07:57
foofoobar	I hope this bug will not come again :/	07:57
matanya	good luck foofoobar	07:57
ObrienDave	Dirk, you can copy and paste right from these screens	07:57
histo	foofoobar: you can turn down swappiness to avoid using swap. But I would still have one on an SSD just incase.	07:57
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : ok ...i will login to my shell as root in recovery mode and will connect with u on irc in 5 min from a different system. Is that ok with you?	07:57
Dirk	ok it worked i guess	07:57
matanya	np AnkitAgrawal	07:57
Dirk	Reading package lists... Done	07:58
ObrienDave	Dirk, cool, hit up arrow, change update to upgrade	07:58
foofoobar	histo: so when using a tmpfs this will slow down my system in times where I need a lot of RAM?	07:58
Dirk	.	07:58
Dirk	continue Y obviously	07:59
ObrienDave	Dirk, is it doing something? yes ;))	07:59
histo	foofoobar: no mount stuff like browser cache /tmp and some things in /var to tmpfs also enable noatime,discard options in fstab for filesystems that are on the SSD. But you want a swap present just incase ram fills so your system doesn't run out of memory.	07:59
matanya	foofoobar: what is the amount of RAM on your system?	08:00
Dirk	if it's going to go thru the entire list that it suggested......... it's gona take awhile. it had like 240 updates it wanted to to do	08:00
Dirk	but yes it's downloading stuff	08:00
ObrienDave	Dirk, ok, just kick back and relax. VERY important to not interrupt it. back in a few	08:01
Dirk	thanx abunch dude...	08:01
ObrienDave	no prob	08:01
foofoobar	matanya: 4GB	08:01
matanya	do you tend to fill it up foofoobar ?	08:01
foofoobar	I'm currently at 25%, I think I do not fill it up often	08:02
foofoobar	I'm using i3wm with some command line stuff and chrome, so I dont think I'm filling it up often	08:02
histo	foofoobar: Do what you want but realize if you run out of memory your system will hang. Also you cannot hibernate without a swap afaik	08:02
matanya	so you don't really need the swap	08:03
foofoobar	histo: I dont want to deactivate the swap, I just want to move it to a HDD	08:03
foofoobar	matanya: As I understood the swap is for the "emergency" when I run out of RAM	08:03
histo	foofoobar: Yeah then just make a partition on the HDD mkswap on it and swapof and swapon to the new part. Also add it to fstab . You can get the uuid with blkid	08:03
histo	foofoobar: and also hibernation	08:04
histo	foofoobar: and cache	08:04
histo	foofoobar: You can reduce the use of swap by adjusting your swappiness	08:04
histo	foofoobar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Why_do_I_need_swap.3F	08:05
ObrienDave	Dirk, hows it going? how much time left?	08:06
drasko	Hi. My embedded device hangs for a long time on "Starting Userspace bootsplash". How to prevent bootsplash - I do not need it, I am using console only	08:09
nublet	hi	08:10
nublet	do I need Ubuntu restricted extras on 13.04	08:10
nublet	?	08:10
matanya	drasko: you can set it in your grub conf	08:10
ObrienDave	nublet, restricted extras allow you to view certain DVD's and some music codecs	08:11
matanya	nublet: it depends if you have stuff that needs it	08:11
nublet	I juts want the fonts mainly	08:11
matanya	it won't hurt you to install it nublet	08:11
nublet	I try to install and it says "these items must be removed" libavcodec53, libavutil51"	08:12
ObrienDave	nublet, that is normal	08:12
nublet	I can cancel or install anyway	08:12
matanya	install	08:12
nublet	ok tx	08:12
ObrienDave	welcome	08:12
drasko	matanya, I do not have grub, I am using ubuntu in an embedded device with U-Boot	08:12
chiffa	hello there. I would need some help with resolving some issues related to installing Linux in dual boot with Win8 on a recent machine (so far no solution found via google and forums)	08:13
ObrienDave	drasko, GRUB is the boot loader	08:13
histo	chiffa: what problem are you having?	08:13
drasko	ObrienDave, U-Boot is the bootloader	08:13
chiffa	I have a live usb with Linux secure 13.04 (md5/sha1 checked, created using LiLi)	08:14
matanya	chiffa: do you have secure boot enables?	08:14
chiffa	disabled in bios	08:14
matanya	*s/s/d	08:14
chiffa	when I try to boot, after gub prompts me to select install or try linux, screen goes black	08:14
chiffa	nomodeset option does not seem to help	08:15
chiffa	and I have geforce GT650M	08:15
ObrienDave	drasko, sorry. not familiar with U-boot	08:15
chiffa	Is there anything else to try?	08:15
histo	chiffa: are you using the 64bit version of 13.04?	08:15
Dr_willis	chiffa, boot to text mode and perhaps just install the nvidia-current package to get drivers for your card? or have you allready installed the drivers?	08:15
chiffa	yup	08:15
histo	chiffa: also what the hell is linux secure?	08:15
chiffa	ok, how do you boot to text mode?	08:16
Dr_willis	!text	08:16
ubottu	To start your system in text-only mode append 'text' (without the quotes) to the kernel line in the grub menu. You can access the grub menu by pressing Esc (Grub legacy) or Shift (Grub2) during boot. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Text%20Mode	08:16
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : there??	08:17
matanya	yes AnkitAgrawal	08:18
AnkitAgrawal	matanya : I have logged in as root in recovery mode	08:18
foofoobar	matanya: one additional question: My SDD currently looks like this: 1. HFS (osx) 2. EXT3 (Ubuntu Root) 3. Swap 4. Boot. I want to increase the size of the ubuntu root now.	08:18
foofoobar	My OSX Disk utility lets me resize the first partition, but not adjust the size of the second one	08:18
matanya	foofoobar: use gparted in the live cd	08:19
histo	Dr_willis: that factoid is off	08:19
foofoobar	Someone here told me to use gparted for this. Is this safe to move the "beginning" of the second partition to increase the size?	08:19
matanya	gparted is safe only if you know what you are doing	08:19
ObrienDave	foofoobar, only if there is room in the front	08:19
matanya	AnkitAgrawal: runlevel	08:19
elfranne	when I write export SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder in crontab it produce error : bad minute	08:19
Dr_willis	foofoobar, jot down the UUID also - just in case it changes..	08:19
foofoobar	ObrienDave: the room is not in the front	08:20
matanya	!cron Elfix	08:20
ObrienDave	foofoobar, then NO it is not safe	08:20
matanya	!cron elfranne	08:20
Dr_willis	foobarba1, if you shrink the ox-s partion thats at thre front of the HD.. then wheres the unallocated space at?	08:20
foofoobar	one moment, I will make a screenshot of gparted	08:20
Dr_willis	at the front of the HD. or btween the 1 and 2 partitions?	08:21
elfranne	matanya, command failed	08:21
matanya	elfranne: your cron syntax is in correct	08:21
elfranne	matanya, so you re not allowed to export variables in crontab ? that sounds unlikey	08:22
chiffa	ok, that didn't work neither	08:22
matanya	you may, but you need to use syntax like ***** bash export SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder elfranne	08:23
ObrienDave	Dirk, hows it going? how much time left?	08:23
foofoobar	ObrienDave, Dr_willis, matanya: http://imgur.com/a6YZTPE this is the SSD. I want to decrease the HFS and increase the ubuntu	08:23
[nas]peter	I run a dual boot of windows 7 Ultimate and Ubuntu 12.04, does anyone know if this could cause bad IO?	08:24
matanya	shouldn't [nas]peter	08:24
elfranne	matanya, but SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder works fine ....	08:25
histo	[nas]peter: No bad drives cause bad IO	08:25
matanya	foofoobar: you can resize /dev/sda3 and move the space to ubuntu	08:25
[nas]peter	The drive is about a month old >.>	08:25
[nas]peter	and it didn't have issues running windows	08:25
matanya	elfranne: what are you trying to achieve?	08:26
histo	[nas]peter: run smartmontools	08:26
foofoobar	matanya: and /dev/sda2 ?	08:26
matanya	it is the ssd foofoobar	08:27
ObrienDave	foofoobar, probably you need to make sda2 smaller, slide sda3 over to the left and then make sda4 larger	08:27
foofoobar	ObrienDave: this is possible? :D	08:28
ObrienDave	foofoobar, partitions MUST be continuous	08:28
elfranne	matanya, unless you use export SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder that variable will not be available inside a script i launch from the crontab	08:28
matanya	elfranne: why don't you export it in the script itself?	08:28
elfranne	matanya, because i need it in the crontab	08:29
ObrienDave	foofoobar, yes, you don't have a lot of room to work with. look for partitionmanager. it's supposed to handle this situation a bit better. i don't know if Gparted can actually move data	08:29
elfranne	matanya, and used inside multiple scripts	08:29
chiffa	ok, problem solved: I didn't disable Secure boot, but only fastboot :S	08:29
chiffa	have a good day everyone	08:29
matanya	call the script, and in the first line export the var	08:30
Guest83992	I have edited /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf and also tried adding & editing /etch/dhcp3/dhcpclient.conf to add prepend domain-name-servers ..., yet /etc/resolv.conf doesn't show the dns servers	08:30
foofoobar	ObrienDave: I have a better idea: If I move the swap to the HDD, I can extend /dev/sda4 with the size of the swap	08:30
Guest83992	are the dns servers listed somewhere else now ? or is it something I am doing wrong ? help is appreciated...	08:30
foofoobar	this would give me additional 4GB	08:30
maum	does anyone know how to download the source from http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin/	08:31
maum	There are a bunch of files.	08:31
matanya	maum: wget	08:32
ObrienDave	foofoobar, yes, that would work also	08:32
foofoobar	okay, good	08:34
maum	matanya: thanks.	08:34
[nas]peter	SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED	08:34
[nas]peter	weird	08:34
foofoobar	matanya, ObrienDave: thanks for your help!	08:34
dhruvasagar	hey, can anyone help regarding prepending dns servers ?	08:35
matanya	np foofoobar	08:35
foofoobar	I will try to move the swap first, and when I'm home I can to the fsck and resize my root partition	08:35
dhruvasagar	I asked the question a little while ago as Guest...	08:35
ObrienDave	foofoobar, not a problem	08:35
foofoobar	because I have no livecd here	08:35
matanya	dhruvasagar: what do you need?	08:36
[nas]peter	hmm	08:36
ObrienDave	dhruvasagar, you can try the google public DNS servers. 8,8,8,8 and 8,8,8,4. I THINK :D	08:36
[nas]peter	it seems my drive isn't malfunctioning	08:36
dhruvasagar	matanya: I tried adding prepend domain-name-servers to /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf and restarted networking	08:36
ObrienDave	sorry, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.4	08:36
dhruvasagar	ObrienDave: that I know, not my problem...	08:36
matanya	any output?	08:36
dhruvasagar	matanya: but /etc/resolv.conf doesn't reflect	08:36
dhruvasagar	matanya: it still doesn't list the dns servers I added...	08:37
matanya	why not add them directly?	08:37
dhruvasagar	matanya: because I want them to be added to any network that I connect to...	08:37
Phoenixxl	though on one side I apreciate google giving us servers for free, I can't help but be disgusted at the amount of data gathering on a person that goes on through their dns's	08:37
dhruvasagar	this used to work earlier	08:37
matanya	dhruvasagar: what is in /etc/resolv.conf?	08:38
dhruvasagar	Phoenixxl: well there are several alternatives	08:38
Phoenixxl	For my own sanity , even if they're not always the fastest , I do keep using my ISP's	08:38
dhruvasagar	matanya: just 'nameserver 127.0.0.1'	08:38
Phoenixxl	thid id just azn observation , has nothing to do with the issiue thats being resolved here	08:39
ObrienDave	Phoenixxl, unless you're a hermit that can survive on cash, get used to it	08:39
matanya	if you add 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' won't it be solved?	08:39
dhruvasagar	Phoenixxl: that's the whole point of 'prepending' dns servers. I am not changing them, just prepending extra one's, the ISP dns servers will still be there	08:39
histo	dhruvasagar: add them to /etc/network/interfaces as dns-nameserver 8.8.8.8 whatever.... man resolvconf shows the "new way"	08:39
Phoenixxl	oh i have them as 3rd and 4th as well :)	08:39
Phoenixxl	i'm just saying	08:39
dhruvasagar	matanya: it will be, but /etc/resolve.conf will be regenerated once I reconnect	08:40
Phoenixxl	there's worse than google out there as well	08:40
dhruvasagar	matanya: just changing /etc/resolve.conf is a temporary solution...I want it permanent :)	08:40
matanya	i see what you are trying to achieve	08:40
Phoenixxl	sign of the times n stuff	08:40
histo	dhruvasagar: then add them to /etc/network/interfaces as I suggested	08:40
dhruvasagar	histo: ahh that sounds like a solution, thanks checking	08:40
[nas]peter	Could there be something like SecureBoot that is fucking up?	08:40
histo	!language \| [nas]peter	08:41
ubottu	[nas]peter: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.	08:41
dhruvasagar	hehe	08:41
histo	[nas]peter: where do you see the IO errors?	08:41
ObrienDave	Phoenixxl, something for you to think about... if you buy something on credit, by the time you get the card in your wallet, "big brother" knows EXACTLY what you bought and where you are. LMAO	08:41
matanya	[nas]peter: hdd has nothing to do with secureboot	08:41
maum	can someone download the files in mirror.emulab.net/cygwin ?	08:41
Phoenixxl	I do knowµ	08:41
histo	maum: What does that have to do with ubuntu?	08:42
Phoenixxl	I worked as a programmer & sys admin in a small local bank	08:42
ObrienDave	bites tongue	08:42
maum	histo: I tried to download that files on ubuntu by wget but it cannot be downloaded.	08:42
histo	maum: then try a different mirror	08:43
histo	maum: also why would you be downloading cygwin files on linux?	08:43
Phoenixxl	back in the day credit checks were done with dial up , there was a special bbs dedicate dto tit .. you give in a name , and a 8 digit code comes out	08:43
Phoenixxl	very creepy	08:43
maum	histo: there is a long story .. and there is no other mirror. but I can download the files from web. but there are a bunch of files.	08:44
[nas]peter	matanya, it might not have anything to do with it, but the IO was good on Windows 7	08:44
histo	maum: what wget command are you trying?	08:44
Phoenixxl	it is here.. but I try to avoid it where i still can .. i'm under no illusion i can completelkyt avoid it	08:44
[nas]peter	now I get ~9MB/s	08:44
ObrienDave	maum, i can D/L them. what's the problem?	08:45
histo	[nas]peter: ahh the speed not IO errors	08:45
histo	[nas]peter: what was the speed in m$?	08:45
matanya	[nas]peter: it is all other thing	08:45
maum	histo: wget mirror.emulab.net/cygwin	08:45
ObrienDave	maum, i can D/L them. what's the problem?	08:45
[nas]peter	histo, I used a dd command to measure the speed	08:46
maum	ObrienDave: you can download all of them?	08:46
histo	maum: that's a html page so yes I can cl cygwin	08:46
ObrienDave	maum, i got the setup file and the .ini file	08:46
Phoenixxl	as for credit.. i'm one of those old timers that , if I want something really expensive , I put some money aside till i have enough .. gasp	08:46
[nas]peter	I also ran that test in a VM on windows	08:47
[nas]peter	and it got 90MB/s	08:47
kishy	hey	08:47
maum	ObrienDave: there are many files in release folder so.. I want it all.	08:47
bestdnd	how can i enlarge my swap file?	08:47
Phoenixxl	bestdnd it's a partition on linux	08:47
ObrienDave	then run the setup, and THEN D/L the rest of the files	08:47
Phoenixxl	if you have free space on your hd is's easy as pie	08:48
histo	maum: wget	08:48
Phoenixxl	if not you'll have to resize n stull .. i wouldn't recommend it unless youve done it before.. on a non critical system	08:48
bestdnd	can i do it on my secondary HD?	08:48
Phoenixxl	bestdnd, sure	08:48
maum	histo: can you download them by wget?	08:48
histo	maum:	08:48
histo	maum wget mirror.emulab.net/cygwin/setup.exe	08:48
dhruvasagar	histo: thanks, it works :)	08:49
Phoenixxl	bestdnd, if you have free spacs in the form of non partitioned room	08:49
maum	histo: there are other file except for setup.exe	08:49
bestdnd	no, i need to resize my partitions for it	08:49
maum	histo: http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin/release/	08:50
Phoenixxl	there are ways ... but they're a bit iffy ..	08:50
Phoenixxl	you can DD zeroes to a file ..	08:51
histo	maum: http doesn't support globbing	08:51
Phoenixxl	then mlkswap the file	08:51
Phoenixxl	then swapon the file	08:51
Phoenixxl	i meant mkswap not mlk	08:51
maum	histo: i don't understand	08:51
bestdnd	is there a manual for it? i don't know all these commands	08:51
Phoenixxl	let me see	08:52
matanya	!swap	08:52
ubottu	swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info	08:52
Phoenixxl	bestdnd, http://www.google.com/#safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=using+a+file+for+swap+space+linux&oq=using+a+file+for+swap+space+linux&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30.90081.95085.1.95260.33.31.0.2.2.0.171.3130.21j10.31.0...0.0.0..1c.1.12.psy-ab.5EK88KjR_uA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.ZWU&fp=feb79b512fef99ff&biw=1664&bih=852	08:52
histo	matanya: try wget -m http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin	08:52
bestdnd	thanks	08:52
vadmeste	Hello everybody. I have Ubuntu 12.04 and I cannot find fsck.ext2 though e2fslibs package is installed. Is that normal ?	08:52
histo	maum: try wget -m http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin	08:53
Phoenixxl	it's not a very good solution though .. since evey call goes over your filesystem as well	08:53
histo	maum: you can add -k if you want to fix the links within the html pages that it dl's during the mirror process but that will get all your files you want. It mirrors the site.	08:54
Phoenixxl	bestdnd, the next hdd you put in , reserve some swap on it	08:54
histo	bestdnd: you can resize your current swap or make a swapfile the choice is yours	08:54
[nas]peter	It seems like my hardware besides the disk can't be the issue: http://pastie.org/7973051	08:54
maum	histo: Thanks, it works.	08:54
[nas]peter	my PC has SATA3	08:55
histo	maum: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/09/the-ultimate-wget-download-guide-with-15-awesome-examples/	08:56
histo	[nas]peter: what's wrong with 170MB/sec?	08:57
maum	histo: I see, thanks.	08:57
KyouReeus4nfo	join #offsec	08:58
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[nas]peter	histo, that's everything except read/write	09:02
histo	[nas]peter: yes and what kind of IO do you expect to see?	09:02
[nas]peter	at least 60MB/s	09:02
histo	[nas]peter: how are you testing?	09:03
[nas]peter	http://pastie.org/7973123	09:03
histo	[nas]peter: change you block size	09:03
histo	s/you/your/	09:03
histo	[nas]peter: Increase it to like 1M	09:04
[nas]peter	histo, would removing SWAP also help?	09:04
histo	[nas]peter: I have no idea what sort of cache your drive is using. You'd have to look at the label. Typically modern disks are around a 2MB cache size. You are only writing 8k to the cache then it writes to the disk then gets another 8k etc... that is slowing down your IO using bs=8k	09:05
histo	[nas]peter: swap has nothing to do with your "test"	09:05
histo	[nas]peter: dd is not an effective test of IO performance unless you specify a bs that is equal to your cache size. I would use another tool if you don't understand.	09:06
parapan	hello folks; I'm using 12.04 - is there any ad-hoc webserver I can setup in ubuntu ?	09:07
histo	[nas]peter: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1198691/testing-io-performance-in-linux	09:07
matanya	parapan: apache	09:07
histo	parapan: what do you mean by "ad-hoc"?	09:07
parapan	basically i want to share some files which are larger for e-mail - 20-30 Mb	09:07
parapan	matanya: this is not quite with one click is it ?	09:08
parapan	histo	09:08
matanya	no, it isn't parapan	09:08
[nas]peter	histo, and using: System > Administration > Disk utility menu	09:08
DJones	parapan: If there's not too many files, have you thought about using Ubuntu One or Dropbox, both of them have a couple of GB's f storage space	09:08
parapan	histo: something like filezilla let's say . . . .just click , open a program and share a file .....like a FPT server ....	09:08
histo	parapan: what are you sharing to? windows boxes or linux boxes?	09:09
parapan	DJones: didn't knew about them ....just want to share few files once per month . . .	09:10
parapan	histo: windows quite sure	09:10
histo	parapan: ifyou have python installed "python -m SimpleHTTPServer [port]"	09:10
ObrienDave	Google Drive gives you 5GB free	09:10
parapan	matanya: k, you're correct, I was mistaking ....thinking on a webserver only for sharing 2-3 files ...it's not worted ..	09:11
ObrienDave	sorry people, bed time. good nite all	09:11
DJones	parapan: Dropbox should do that quite easily, just create an account, install the the app on each machine (windows and linux clients) log in and it creates a folder on each machine that you can drop files into & they'll be duplicated on each machine when they're logged in	09:11
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histo	parapan: you should have python by default the command I gave you will start an HTTP server in the current directory so they can pull the files at the specified port.	09:12
parapan	histo: cool > but what will be the web address to access ???	09:13
parapan	DJones: thanks - it sound cool and i'll look into it ..but they want to pick up the files not to install softwares and stuff ...	09:13
histo	parapan: your IP address:port	09:13
histo	parapan: unless you do port 80 then they could just go to your IP and see the content. Is this for just local sharing or out over the internets?	09:14
matanya	parapan: you need to allow it your router if your	09:14
matanya	*if you have	09:14
parapan	histo: i'll try that > is over internet	09:15
parapan	matanya: if i'm using 80 i wont need that correct ?	09:15
matanya	you will need forwarding	09:15
histo	parapan: well you could get a free url name from places like dyndns.org or others and point it at your IP. But if you are gonig to go through all that drama for a simple http server that you are going to put up and take down etc...?	09:15
histo	parapan: if you want something more permanent... I would definately setup apache and a URL. Control access with .htaccess files etc...	09:16
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DJones	parapan: Another to consider with a web server, do you have a fixed ip address? If not you'll probably need to use something like dyndns to give a fixed address for people to connect to which then goes to whatever your ip address is, that would need to be set to update if your ip address changed	09:17
parapan	DJones: histo: I have the permanent webserver setup with apache only not handy at the moment ....I want an extremely fast way to share a file which can be downloaded most easily via http or ftp ....	09:20
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cristian_c	Hi	09:20
parapan	and maybe I can use teamviewer also ...for file transfer ...but this lwill require the install on the other PC ....	09:21
cristian_c	How can I switch audio from mono to stereo?	09:21
histo	parapan: well the temporary way with python is one option. The other option is using scp over ssh	09:21
cristian_c	any ideas?	09:21
histo	parapan: or sftp.	09:21
histo	parapan: basically if you want to share a file in directory /home/parapan/good_stuff you just cd /home/parapan/good_stuff then python -m SimpleHTTPServer and it will start up an http server in that directory so they can pull the file. When done just hit ctrl+c to stop the server	09:22
histo	parapan: You need to setup port forwarding on your router to whatever port you are going to use like 8000 or 80 pointed at your internal IP address. So then they just go to yourpublic.ip:8000 or whatever and can see your files.	09:23
histo	parapan: portforward.com	09:23
histo	cristian_c: what type of audio file?	09:23
histo	parapan: there are many options python -m one should only be used as just a quick dirty http server to share a file then take it down.	09:24
SarcasticGoats	Does anyone know how to make the xrandr command run at startup?	09:24
histo	SarcasticGoats: create a /etc/xorg.conf	09:24
histo	SarcasticGoats: actually /etc/X11/xorg.conf	09:25
cristian_c	histo, all the audio files	09:25
histo	cristian_c: You only have mono audio coming from your system?	09:25
cristian_c	histo, yes	09:25
SarcasticGoats	Histo: When I try xorg -configure it says fatal server error	09:25
histo	cristian_c: are your speakers plugged in all the way?	09:25
cristian_c	I don't know why	09:25
cristian_c	histo, i've got an headphone out	09:26
histo	!xorg.conf \| SarcasticGoats	09:26
ubottu	SarcasticGoats: The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is deprecated, but sometimes may still be needed to pass values to specific drivers. Generic xorg.conf generation: http://ubottu.com/y/xorgconf - ATI/AMD ( fglrx driver ) specific: http://ubottu.com/y/atiamd - NVidia ( nvidia driver )specific: http://ubottu.com/y/nvidia man xorg.conf for file structure and syntax.	09:26
cristian_c	histo, but nothing works	09:26
cristian_c	:(	09:26
SarcasticGoats	cristian_c: Sometimes if your speaker plug isn't fully inserted into the jack then you'll only get mono	09:26
parapan	histo: exactly my aim ....for 20 minutes up then, down forever :D; yes, I'll need the port forwarding for sure unless I'll have a static IP; one more q - what will be the default folder for the shared files ???	09:26
histo	cristian_c: check by right clicking on the volume icon and going to sound properties make sure it's set to stereo duplex or whatever.	09:26
parapan	histo: you said something to release command python directly on the folder where the shared files are ??/	09:27
cristian_c	SarcasticGoats, the plug is fully inserted	09:27
histo	parapan: whatever directory you are in when you execute python -m SimpleHTTPServer will be served	09:27
histo	cristian_c: check sound properties	09:27
cristian_c	histo, in pavucontrol, duplex analog stereo is selected	09:27
histo	cristian_c: are you headphones broken?	09:28
cristian_c	histo, no	09:29
histo	cristian_c: check your left and right levels in alsamixer or some other mixer.	09:29
parapan	histo: how do you close python ?	09:30
histo	parapan: ctrl+c	09:30
gotwig	Please help me :( My networkusername changed for NetworkManager, and I am not anymore able to login with the new one :( my new username is something like bg\username , my old username was username	09:30
gotwig	When I check the NetworkManager profile, it says even my username is bg\\username !!	09:31
gotwig	but it should use simply bg\username	09:31
gotwig	it cant use that, why?!	09:31
cristian_c	histo, I don't see strange things	09:31
cristian_c	histo, in alsmixer	09:31
cristian_c	*alsamixer	09:31
gotwig	I cant search anything for that, nothing on google at all. You cant search for one charachter at google	09:31
histo	cristian_c: Is this a desktop or laptop?	09:31
parapan	histo: a little complication : the requested url cannot be retrieved ..error 10001	09:32
histo	parapan: huh?	09:32
cristian_c	histo, left and right are at the same level in pavucontrol	09:32
gotwig	My simple question is: Why is NetworkManager not able to transmit my username in this form ?! "bg\username" ??	09:32
cristian_c	histo, laptop	09:32
[nas]peter	I ran Iometer and that says I have 106MB/s	09:32
[nas]peter	as average	09:32
parapan	histo: cannot be reached from internet	09:32
histo	parapan: did you setup the port forward?	09:32
histo	[nas]peter: okay so what's the problem?	09:33
histo	cristian_c: try the built in speakers are those in stereo?	09:33
parapan	yeap > on port 81 ...let me try another port	09:33
[nas]peter	histo, when I run apt-get update, my PC nearly crashes and all programs become darker and are non-responsive	09:33
gotwig	what is the best alternative to NetworkManager ?	09:33
matanya	gotwig: wicd	09:33
cristian_c	histo, I've tried headphones and external speakers	09:33
histo	gotwig: second wicd	09:33
histo	!sound \| cristian_c I have no idea but try some of this	09:34
ubottu	cristian_c I have no idea but try some of this: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3.	09:34
cristian_c	histo, I don't understand if the builtin speakers are working	09:34
gotwig	does wicd support every thing that NetworkManager does?	09:34
gotwig	what about WPA2 Enterprise Wifi access points via username and password?	09:34
histo	cristian_c: Perhaps a wire is loose on the jack	09:34
cristian_c	histo, I'll try to read these pages	09:34
SarcasticGoats	histo: Is there an easy guide for setting up the resolution bit of xorg.conf	09:34
parapan	histo: same issue : however ....the python is saying serving HTTP server on 0.0.0.0 on port 81 .......shouldn't 0.0.0.0 be the local IP ???	09:35
histo	gotwig: yes and there is a curses interface and applet it's up to you which you want to use.	09:35
SarcasticGoats	Histo: Never mind I've found one I tik	09:35
SarcasticGoats	Think*	09:35
* gotwig is very depressed. Ubuntu is so broken ...		09:35
histo	parapan: if you are using a port under 1000 you will need to use sudo	09:36
histo	parapan: actually anything below 1024 I believe.	09:37
parapan	histo: course I'm using sudo	09:37
histo	parapan: try browsing on that machine to http://localhost:portnumber	09:37
parapan	histo: you're the man ....the port number was too low :d	09:39
parapan	with the sudo it didn't worked	09:39
hanwentao	is there a way to select a mirror manually during installation?	09:39
histo	parapan: yeah anything under 1024 requires root permissions. that's odd that with sudo it wouldn't work. Perhaps sudo -i python -m ... would work	09:40
parapan	histo: made the setup on port 8000 and it's working like a rocket :D	09:40
[nas]peter	histo, http://pastie.org/7973270	09:40
histo	parapan: Yeah just use port 8000 then on your router forward port 80 to port 8000 of your internal ip	09:40
histo	parapan: then anyone that has your IP can get those files quickly	09:40
squaregoldfish	gotwig: Apparently it does, but I've never used it myself.	09:40
histo	[nas]peter: lol what?	09:41
parapan	histo: I guess I should get to root first ....and after that to launch the webserver ...anyway million thanks I have learned something today from the community :D	09:41
histo	gotwig: ubuntu inst browken	09:41
[nas]peter	I timed the IO	09:41
histo	parapan: yeah you can use any python module from cli like that with the -m switch	09:41
gotwig	histo: too many stuff is not working. too many, just saying	09:41
parapan	histo: i recently moved from 10.4 to 12.04 do you know the reason for using Libre office now instead ooo ?	09:42
histo	parapan: OO forked	09:42
parapan	histo: first I have to know what python is ;)	09:42
histo	gotwig: Like what?	09:42
parapan	histo: "forked" ? meaning	09:43
histo	gotwig: It works for millions of people. Just because you are experiencing problems does not mean it's broken for all.	09:43
gotwig	histo: you have no idea	09:43
histo	parapan: the project split into two. Open Office is still there and there is LibreOffice which is a fork of it.	09:43
gotwig	every operating system is somehow broken	09:44
gotwig	and window is the most broken one	09:44
[nas]peter	histo, my disk has 23mb cache	09:44
histo	gotwig: well perhaps your definition of broken is different from 99% of the world.	09:44
parapan	histo: aaaa ...just like a fork with 3 "fingers"	09:44
histo	parapan: like a fork in the road	09:44
parapan	histo: that's a joke :d	09:44
inflex	trying to work out if I have a hardware of software fault. Have a HP Touchsmart (all in one) 600-1000 with an nVidia GT230 chipset. Rescue linux runs fine on it so long as I use frame-buffer mode, but Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04 both just deliver a black screen after the initial text-console scrolling boot messages :(	09:44
histo	parapan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libreoffice has information about the fork	09:45
parapan	histo: k, thanks man - have a good day and see you around	09:45
gotwig	*windows	09:45
histo	!nomodeset \| inflex	09:45
ubottu	inflex: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter	09:45
inflex	danke!	09:45
gotwig	histo: in fact it always is windows fault, when you use windows methods	09:46
cristian_c	histo, I've looked at he links you posted	09:47
cristian_c	histo, but I don't know what to do	09:47
cristian_c	:(	09:47
inflex	Got to say, it's rare for me to hit a GFX issue on boot with Linux these days, so that one threw me	09:49
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histo	cristian_c: the troubleshooting one would be a good start. Although from what you are describing I bet you have an issue with hardware e.g. loose wire	09:50
cristian_c	histo, previously it worked	09:50
cjbirk	i am the plunderer	09:50
cjbirk	the great icelandic snow king	09:50
cjbirk	and i use ubuntu.	09:50
histo	cristian_c: previously we lived in caves	09:51
cristian_c	lol	09:51
histo	cristian_c: What has changed since then	09:51
cristian_c	histo, I don't know, I'll try some tries with live cd	09:51
cristian_c	:)	09:52
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tom	hi all - i've got two displays, is there a way to only have one working at a time, and to switch between the tw	10:01
tom	o	10:01
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amiral_	hi iwas reading a book and i found this :" As an example of the overhead of making a system call, consider the getppid()	10:16
amiral_	system call, which simply returns the process ID of the parent of the calling	10:16
amiral_	process. On one of the author’s x86-32 systems running Linux 2.6.25, 10 million	10:16
amiral_	calls to getppid() required approximately 2.2 seconds to complete. This amounts	10:16
amiral_	to around 0.3 microseconds per call. By comparison, on the same system, 10 million	10:16
amiral_	calls to a C function that simply returns an integer required 0.11 seconds, or	10:16
amiral_	around one-twentieth of the time required for calls to getppid()."	10:16
FloodBot1	amiral_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.	10:16
amiral_	do really think system call make more overhead than libc function warper	10:17
amiral_	??	10:17
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minh	hello	10:26
Phoenixxl	amiral_, how many times would you need to get a pid in your program ..	10:26
Sandman	Hehe, Compiz crashed when I started XChat :)	10:27
Phoenixxl	amiller, stick to the advised way of doing things	10:27
Phoenixxl	amiller, speeding up programs should be done inside the main loop	10:27
Jose_Spanish	any girl want to chat with Spanish?	10:27
Phoenixxl	amiller, not pinching pennies off archaic system calls .	10:28
Phoenixxl	Jose_Spanish, the "girl" that will start the conversation will have a bigger dick than you I bet.	10:29
migadoo	Phoenixxl: stop pm me.	10:31
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dsirijus	there should be #ubuntu-dating	10:31
rohan	Hello everyone	10:32
Phoenixxl	migadoo, go play with your legos http://i.imgur.com/kzyJCRs.png	10:32
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rohan	any one tell me about interfaces file.	10:34
feitinge1	rohan: i can't tell it as good as "man interfaces" can.	10:39
Phoenixxl	rohan, if you want to mess with it , i would say , make a virtual machine , install linux on that , and have a field day	10:40
Phoenixxl	don't experiment on your running system	10:41
Phoenixxl	rohan, the chances you break it are not negligible	10:41
Phoenixxl	rohan, it's not as dangerous as playing with fstab but still ..	10:42
ShapeShifter499	hi	10:48
emka	Hi, using 10.04 LTS, how should update just the security updates?	10:51
cfhowlett	emka, as it's not longer supported ... can't	10:51
emka	is this enough?	10:51
emka	sudo apt-get install unattended-upgrades	10:51
emka	sudo unattended-upgrade	10:51
thunder1212	E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcapi20-3_1%3a3.25+dfsg1-3wheezy1+6.0trisquel1_i386.deb: './usr/share/doc/libcapi20-3/changelog.Debian.gz' is different from the same file on the system	10:51
thunder1212	I got this error while installing wine on my system am suing 64bit	10:51
cfhowlett	emka, it's end of life, i.e. no longer supported	10:51
emka	ok	10:52
emka	so what should I do then?	10:52
cfhowlett	emka, upgrade to 12.04 is my recommendation.	10:52
emka	ouch...	10:52
cfhowlett	emka, is this a server?	10:52
emka	yes	10:52
emka	running a couple of web apps	10:53
cfhowlett	emka, consider your options. IMHO, running a non-supported public facing server lacking supported/updates is inadvisable	10:53
emka	yes	10:54
emka	it is not mine tho...	10:54
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emka	but I've been asked to check for what to do	10:54
emka	Is it "safe" to just do do-release-upgrade	10:55
emka	feels like that could give us a lot of problems	10:55
cfhowlett	emka, personally, I'd torrent 12.04, burn or USB the ISO and clean install.	10:55
emka	ok	10:56
hs_	hello , in unity-greeter , is there a specific size for the logo or any size i want ?	11:00
silv3r_m00n	hi there, I got 2 adsl connections (that are put into 2 routers) can I use both ? (http://askubuntu.com/questions/299018/using-multiple-internet-connections-on-ubuntu) ?	11:01
emka	cfhowlett: ok…and reinstall/configure everything from scratch again… :) I don't use muppet	11:01
emka	Puppt*	11:01
cfhowlett	emka, wait	11:01
cfhowlett	emka, if you have your /home in a dedicated partition, you just install the system files and reinstall your apps. your configurations will then be retained	11:02
cfhowlett	emka, just don't format the /home and you're good	11:02
hs_	hello , in unity-greeter , is there a specific size for the logo or any size i want ?	11:03
emka	yeah but not all apache/ruby stuff I guess	11:03
cfhowlett	emka, pretty sure there's a way to retain those settings ... ask in #ubuntu-server	11:04
fractaline	cfhowlett, can one move /home to a separate partition in preparation for clean install?	11:06
petervonfrosta	tvoss ping	11:06
gordonjcp	fractaline: yes	11:06
petervonfrosta	tvoss, ping	11:06
emka	ok	11:07
cfhowlett	fractaline, you can setup a /home and THEN clean install ...	11:07
emka	cfhowlett: Thanks! I think I have to do some reading first	11:07
cfhowlett	emka, best of luck.	11:07
emka	ty	11:07
guest55555_	Hi.	11:09
handuel	'ello there	11:10
cfhowlett	fractaline, see http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome	11:10
cfhowlett	guest55555_, greetings	11:10
fractaline	i am running kubuntu 13.04 (which is really kubuntu-desktop installed on ubuntu) i'd like to do a clean install of 13.04 64bit... looking for the best way	11:10
fractaline	cfhowlett, i'll have a look ty	11:11
cfhowlett	fractaline, make your /home, torrent 13.04, make a boot usb/cdrom and install	11:12
guest55555_	During an installation of Ubuntu when creating LVMs - is there a way to specify GiB instead of GB? "df -h" looks so ugly after specifying "10G" during installation (as the LVM only has 9.31GiB).	11:12
guest55555_	Or any workaround to really have 10GiB?	11:12
fractaline	you mean make an empty /home??	11:12
hillary	what command can i use to move from one directory to another ubuntu 12.04	11:13
fractaline	fine for future use but how about saving settings?	11:13
cfhowlett	fractaline, no I meant, as in the previous link, make a dedicated /home and move your files there. Also, back up. of course. then install	11:13
cfhowlett	hillary, cd	11:13
fractaline	i see	11:13
cfhowlett	hillary, eeks. no. I think it's cp	11:13
Leighton	hillary: cd directoryname	11:14
hillary	i want to move from pwd to Downloads	11:14
cfhowlett	Leighton, and to move the files?	11:14
hillary	cd /Downloads i get bash cd: /Downloads: No such files or Directory	11:16
Leighton	hillary: ohhhh, I thought you meant move like change "location". cp will copy files, not move them	11:16
jrib	hillary: ~/Downloads	11:16
KyouReeus4nfo	mv	11:17
cfhowlett	hillary, as kyouReeus4nfo stated: mv	11:17
gravity__	hi	11:19
cfhowlett	gravity__, greetings	11:19
gravity__	I am using Backtrack 5, and I am on a LAN network where we need authentification before getting connected to internet, my problem is that I am able to load download commands in the terminal, the download will not reach to the end. Thus how can I enter my authentification information in the terminal in order to download?	11:22
cfhowlett	!bt\|gravity__,	11:22
DJones	!backtrack \| gravity__	11:22
ubottu	gravity__: There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mint), kali-linux (#kali-linux), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux)	11:22
hillary	cfhowlett: not working still. i use to use cd ~/Downloads but now it has refused	11:22
cfhowlett	hillary, within your own account? not normal ...	11:23
hillary	yap within my own account	11:23
raincode	i'm use ubuntu 10.04. i want to write programmer language. i want to try C. how to basic write code in C without external application. in this topic i want just use gedit and terminal. can help me how to write simple C program ?.example just to write output message in terminal as "hello",help me sir	11:24
hillary	i run update and see what might happened	11:24
cfhowlett	hillary, error message? and what exact command did your urn	11:24
hillary	cd ~/Downloads	11:24
cfhowlett	raincode, 10.04 is end of life. not sure you want to learn programming on an unsupported OS ....	11:24
hillary	bash: cd: /home/hillary/Downloads: No such file or directory when i run cd ~/Downloads	11:25
cfhowlett	hillary, so, just for fun, try with sudo ...	11:25
raincode	cfhowlett, what your mean about "10.04 is end of life"?	11:25
cfhowlett	!eol\|raincode,	11:26
ubottu	raincode,: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades	11:26
raincode	cfhowlett, what you mean about "10.04 is end of life"?	11:26
auronandace	raincode: 10.04 is no longer supoorted on the desktop	11:26
cfhowlett	raincode, 10.04 was supported for 3 years on the desktop ...	11:26
raincode	so, what can i do ?,what i must use?	11:27
KyouReeus4nfo	gcc	11:27
cfhowlett	raincode, update to 12.04 is my recommendation ...	11:28
fractaline	cfhowlett, what size is recommendable for the /home partition?	11:28
cfhowlett	fractaline, depends on your own use. look at what you have currently and take your best guess as to future needs	11:28
fractaline	fair enough	11:28
hillary	even with sudo it has not work	11:29
BluesKaj	Hiyas all	11:29
cfhowlett	BluesKaj, howdy	11:29
BluesKaj	hey cfhowlett	11:29
fractaline	hey BluesKaj	11:29
jnaour	Hi, I have a strange problem: I use a project name ElasticSearch and I want to allow more Java Heap Space to it. So I do a "bin/elasticsearch -f -Xmx4g -Xms4g", but it doesn't work. When I launch the exact same command in root mode it works, there is 4g allowed to ElasticSearch JVM. Is there some perms configuration that could limit the memory that I can allow to it in user mode?	11:29
BluesKaj	hey fractaline	11:29
raincode	cfhowleft, you recomend me to update, that mean i must update from ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 OR i remove ubuntu 10.04 then install new to 12.04??	11:30
jnaour	named*	11:30
cfhowlett	raincode, no need to remove anything. torrent 12.04, make a boot usb/cdrom and clean install. OR you could try direct upgrade assuming your software sources are set to LTS only	11:30
auronandace	raincode: up to you (i prefer a fresh install, less can go wrong)	11:31
cfhowlett	raincode, but I'd definitely go with torrent/clean install rather than software upgrade	11:31
handuel	raincode: ignoring 10.04 being EOL, this is the same in all versions sudo apt-get install binutils build-essential to install the compiler. Hello world program #include <stdio.h> int main(int argc, char* argv[]){printf("Hello\n"); return 0;} to compile gcc nameofcfile.c -o test to run ./test	11:31
cfhowlett	handuel, true but he's learning coding ... on an unsupported OS. Just don't seem right, somehow.	11:32
handuel	cfhowlett: yes, but I'm just answering his question, he should still update, but I'm saying that is what he should do, on any version, even once he updates	11:33
cfhowlett	handuel, understood. thanks for clarifying	11:33
cfhowlett	handuel, and that's a sweet bit of coding you wrote	11:33
handuel	cfhowlett: sarcasm?	11:34
guest55555_	Noone that can help with my LVM/GiB/GB question? :-)	11:34
cfhowlett	handuel, not the least.	11:34
KyouReeus4nfo	I would just do echo Hello	11:34
cfhowlett	!cookie\|handuel,	11:34
ubottu	handuel,: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!	11:34
handuel	Thanks :)	11:35
handuel	guest55555_ if you click something else when installing, can't you just manually set the partition size	11:35
guest55555_	i can specify 10G - but this will by 10 gigabyte and not 10 gibibyte	11:36
guest55555_	s/by/be/	11:36
raincode	handuel, thx for your code in C. i'm usually using python, but i want to learn high to low programming language as C, but assembly i delay its caused i want learn one by one.	11:36
raincode	cfhowleft thx for your sugestion	11:36
cfhowlett	raincode, best of luck	11:37
raincode	maybe if i have time, i thinking about your solution	11:37
handuel	raincode: fair enough, quite obviously there are more human readable ways of writing that, (new lines and indentation and such, however all on one line would work.)	11:37
raincode	for all , i'm so sorry if my english is not good,so i just to try communication with you all here	11:38
cfhowlett	raincode, we understood fine	11:38
raincode	thx, cfhowlett . .	11:39
handuel	raincode: ur english is great! I've met less gramatically correct born and bread british teens	11:39
ichat	quick question	11:39
raincode	your solution is True for our system security and to future,	11:40
scotty^	lol	11:40
ichat	how can i get back the behavior of ctrl + alt + backspace	11:40
DJones	ichat: To restart X?	11:40
ichat	DJones, yes	11:40
DJones	ichat: There is an option in one of the system setting to enable that, give me a minute to see if I can find it	11:41
handuel	settings->keyboard->shortcuts->system edit logout to be ctrl+alt+backspace	11:41
hillary	something wrong with nu cd command ubuntu 12.04	11:41
DJones	ichat: See what handuel They got it	11:41
DJones	ichat: See what handuel just put, they got it	11:42
hillary	i try cd ~/Downloads or any directory it says no such file or directory	11:42
ichat	handuel, tnx	11:42
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cfhowlett	hillary, try ls to see your options	11:44
hongxuchen	exit	11:46
hillary	ls displays what is in pwd	11:47
scotty^	ichat - a better option is described in the last answer at http://askubuntu.com/questions/10622/how-can-i-enable-ctrlaltbackspace	11:48
raincode	sir, can give me sugestion , priority language that we must learn in ubuntu?	11:48
raincode	c or python?	11:48
scotty^	hillary - You want cd $HOME/Downloads	11:49
hillary	yes	11:49
scotty^	ichat - that way you can still really logout via the keyboard and zap the xserver	11:50
hillary	Sorry guys my Downloads directory was wrongly moved by me to Documents directory. Things working ok after moving it to home	11:52
cfhowlett	hillary, live and learn	11:53
rahmspinat_of_do	Hey there, does someone know how to disable desktop effects in Mint via Terminal?	11:53
lasers	!mint \| rahmspinat_of_do	11:53
ubottu	rahmspinat_of_do: Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org	11:53
rahmspinat_of_do	mhkaythx	11:54
raincode	sir, how to diet our system?,its hard for process,.slow not quick process,	11:54
handuel	rahmspinaat_of_do: look into controlling gconf through the terminal, to find the exact keys go and ask on mint help	11:54
hillary	i need to extract a .zip file from downloads folder to /var/www/. what is the command? ubuntu 12.04	11:54
raincode	what wrong with me ?i'm install ubuntu using wubi.exe	11:55
ActionParsnip	raincode: its not a long term solution, its a try before you buy	11:56
raincode	my cdroom is error, how to move our ubuntu manualy without wubi.exe	11:56
cfhowlett	raincode, see, there's your problem right there ... wubi	11:56
handuel	raincode: do you own a usb stick	11:56
ActionParsnip	hillary: install unp and then run: cd /var/www; sudo unp ~/Download/filename.zip	11:56
NewUbuntu007	hello Ubuntu world, as a new Ubuntu user I face an issue in connecting to internet from the newly installed Ubuntu 13.04. Is this the right channel to post this type of question?	11:56
handuel	NewUbuntu007: yes	11:56
ActionParsnip	NewUbuntu007: yes this is the right channel	11:56
bsk	hillary: unzip ~/Downloads/my-file.zip -d /var/www	11:56
raincode	yes i have but my bios cannot support boot from usb	11:56
cfhowlett	!details\|NewUbuntu007, yes.	11:56
ubottu	NewUbuntu007, yes.: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."	11:56
cfhowlett	raincode, what? how old is this computer?	11:57
handuel	how fr*ggin clever is that bot, how does it realise that information wasn't given :D	11:57
raincode	not old, travelmate 4020	11:57
bsk	hillary: remember that you must have write permissions on the destination folder	11:57
ActionParsnip	bsk: or use sudo, easier	11:58
ichat	handuel, - log-off is not the same as restarting the x server specially not forcefully... the reason for wanting ctrl+at+backspace was that i had a game that crashed and set my unity resolution to 640x480 ... and i coul not even see the top pannel any more...	11:58
handuel	ichat: use alt+sysrq+k then	11:58
jrib	handuel: probably safe to assume that's always the case ;)	11:58
NewUbuntu007	Thanks - handuel, ActionParsnip, cfhowlett and ubottu. The problem is when I connect to internet from my Ubuntu computer, I am not able to connect via the network cable. I used the same physical connection with my Windows machine and it works.	11:58
ichat	what is sysrq?	11:59
ActionParsnip	NewUbuntu007: can you ping your routr's internal IP?	11:59
bsk	ActionParsnip: whatever..	11:59
handuel	a key on your keyboard, often on the same thing as print-screen, you might have to hold fn or similar to be able to use it.	11:59
ActionParsnip	ichat: or run: killall -u $USER same deal :)	11:59
NewUbuntu007	ActionParnsnip - Yes, its 10.8.233.150	11:59
ActionParsnip	NewUbuntu007: if you ping 8.8.8.8 does it ping ok?	12:00
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NewUbuntu007	ActionParnsnip: sorry, its 10.8.33.150	12:01
NewUbuntu007	ActionParsnip: Destination Host Unreachable is the output.	12:02
raincode	i want to migrate total from xp to unix.for this time my condition: C:\\ <<==xp,.(ntfs) D:\\<<==ubuntu but with wubi.exe shown:4 virtual disk, . can we change ubuntu wubi version, to ubuntu totality in D:\\??	12:02
RedBlade7	hi	12:02
NewUbuntu007	ActionParsnip: (Curious question) What does it mean when we ping 8.8.8.8?	12:02
RedBlade7	i set up kubuntu	12:02
RedBlade7	and then tried to install the amd drivers via the menu	12:03
ActionParsnip	NewUbuntu007: its a IP outside of your LAN	12:03
RedBlade7	but now it says "unsupported hardware" and locks up	12:03
gordonjcp	raincode: You'd need to remove the D: partition, Unix doesn't use MSDOS drives	12:03
ichat	hmmmm,	12:03
rahmspinat_of_do	NewUbuntu007: its googles dns server which is a very prominent ip that is propably always up	12:03
ActionParsnip	NewUbuntu007: does it reply?	12:03
RedBlade7	(there were two of them listed, i must've picked the wrong one)	12:03
RedBlade7	so now i cant boot	12:03
RedBlade7	how do i boot into text mode?	12:03
RedBlade7	recovery console forces read-only	12:03
RedBlade7	so i cant do anything	12:03
RedBlade7	also, there's no xorg.conf	12:04
ActionParsnip	RedBlade7: hold SHIFT at boot and boot to root recovery mode, then run: mount -o rw,remount /	12:04
RedBlade7	i'm a slackware person so am good with the command line	12:04
NewUbuntu007	ActionParsnip: No	12:04
ActionParsnip	RedBlade7: so it may mount readonly but yuo can remount it writable	12:04
RedBlade7	ok	12:04
ActionParsnip	NewUbuntu007: so you can png your router but not outside? correct?	12:04
RedBlade7	also, where is the xorg.conf on kubuntu?	12:04
RedBlade7	it's not in /etc/X11	12:05
handuel	RedBlade7: no xorg by default now, use recovery mode from grub menu to access console, and as actionparsnip has stated, remount fs'es	12:05
NewUbuntu007	ActionParsnip: I will confirm that in a minute.	12:05
RedBlade7	hmm	12:05
RedBlade7	ok i'll try and get in to remove the packages	12:05
raincode	gordonjcp: my condition now, i'm on ubuntu that boot from d:\\wubi.exe, . can from here(from my condition) i change my root,home,usr,an other,..manualy	12:05
RedBlade7	will it boot properly once the proprietary packages are removed?	12:05
RedBlade7	go back to the nouveau	12:05
minixvm	raincode: wubi is no longer supported	12:06
NewUbuntu007	ActionParsnip: Actually, I dont know the answer to your question.	12:06
handuel	RedBlade7, should do yes. (BTW good luck, I had the exact same issue a few years ago, massive pain in the proverbial arse, luckily actionparsnip helped me through it :))	12:06
NewUbuntu007	ActionParsnip: I only did "ifconfig -a" and I got 'inet addr' as 10.8.33.150	12:06
RedBlade7	ok	12:07
RedBlade7	thank you in advance	12:07
raincode	C:\\ <- xp(that i want to remove, but not yet to this time,) ,D:\\<--my ubuntu now but boot from booting. and i have one empty drive g:\\<-empty	12:07
raincode	how to move my ubuntu from D:\\ to G:\\	12:07
raincode	without "halt"	12:08
ichat	ActionParsnip, what was that killall command again	12:08
guest2218	.	12:09
raincode	thx minixvm	12:10
handuel	raincode: D:\ and G:\ are windows abstractions, they don't exist in ubuntu, you need to create a new ext4 partition	12:10
ActionParsnip	ichat: killall -u $USER	12:11
minixvm	!partitioning \| raincode	12:11
ubottu	raincode: For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted, !QtParted (!Kubuntu 8.10 and lower) or !PartitionManager (!Kubuntu 9.04 and up) - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap	12:11
raincode	handuel, so with my ubuntu now, i must format G:\ to ext4?	12:12
yebyen	anyone using raring (and possibly gnome ppa) got a message recently about update-initramfs failing to locate pango modules? i got it when upgrading to 3.8.0-22 but the problem seems to be with initramfs-tools, since removing the newer kernel I still get the message with previous version	12:12
raincode	ubottu , thxt for your info, .	12:13
ubottu	raincode: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)	12:13
yebyen	Errors look just the same as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702040	12:13
ubottu	Debian bug 702040 in plymouth "needs update for pango 1.7 from experimental" [Serious,Fixed]	12:13
yebyen	the last report on that debian bug	12:13
yebyen	except for the location of the pango modules	12:13
handuel	raincode: yes	12:13
NewUbuntu007	ActionParsnip: I have actually set varioius addresses in /etc/network/interfaces manually as instructed by our Network Operator	12:13
kisya	hi	12:14
raincode	handuel, so with my ubuntu now, i must format G:\ to ext4 file system??	12:14
handuel	raincode: yes you must	12:14
kisya	is there a kernel package with pf patches applied?	12:14
handuel	raincode: and then use live installation media to install to the ext4 partition	12:14
raincode	if i have to do that(have format G to ext4),; can manually i'm copy my system from D:\ to G:\?	12:15
ichat	ActionParsnip, - the command killall -u $user seams not to work. so than i tried in a terminal echo $user and i get a blank line shouldn't my logged on user be be printed with that command	12:15
minixvm	raincode: not from windows no	12:15
handuel	ichat echo $USER	12:15
raincode	from ubuntu, isn't it?	12:16
handuel	raincode: indeed	12:16
handuel	raincode: use the gparted program	12:16
minixvm	raincode: just perform a new install, forget copying a wubi install to a new one	12:16
Nilyth	Hi there	12:17
ActionParsnip	ichat: the word user is in caps, that's why I gave it in caps	12:18
ActionParsnip	ichat: you cannot change case of commands jusyt because you feel like it, things will not work	12:18
Nilyth	is there someone used with codeblocks and libsx?	12:19
cfhowlett	Nilyth, greetings	12:19
Nilyth	Hi o/	12:19
Nilyth	I'm a real newbie on the linux environement :(	12:20
raincode	for this time, i don't have ubuntu in cd.just have iso in drive. my burn cd-rw the function is error. so , that i can do?,i'm now in Ubuntu10.04 system.after i format g:\\ can i move my filesystem ubuntu manually using copy paste?,and how to configuration boot file?	12:20
handuel	raincode: I just thought, I don't know if this will work, so correct me if I'm wrong guys, but you may be able to format G:\ then install ubiquity on your current ubuntu, and use that to install to the partition	12:20
ActionParsnip	raincode: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?	12:20
minixvm	Nilyth: codeblocks is in the repos	12:21
handuel	ActionParsnip: think he's saying his disk drive actually has a hardware issue...	12:21
ActionParsnip	handuel: oic	12:21
Nilyth	ahah	12:21
Nilyth	I just need a compiler compatible with libsx :(	12:21
ichat	ActionParsnip, soryr man :P	12:22
minixvm	raincode: you can use a usb if your cd drive doesn't work	12:22
ActionParsnip	ichat: run commands as given, or unless instructed. You'll have fewer issues	12:22
handuel	raincode: the ubiquity solution that I suggested will not copy/paste your configuration, it will make a new one, so do backup any docs you want to copy across	12:22
handuel	minivm: his BIOS can't boot from USB :D	12:22
foofoobar	I underestimated how long gparted needs to shrink my 400gb partition to 300gb.. Its working since 4 hours now :\|	12:23
ActionParsnip	handuel: is there a floppy drive?	12:23
raincode	ok sir, so for resume this problem,after i'm format g:\\, then install ubiquity. after install it, using ubiquity i use my ubuntu10.04.iso and give destination to g:\\?	12:23
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ActionParsnip	raincode: do you have a floppy drive?	12:23
ActionParsnip	!away > GingerGeek[Away]	12:23
ubottu	GingerGeek[Away], please see my private message	12:23
ichat	ActionParsnip, - do i need to reboot before the shortcut starts to work?	12:23
ActionParsnip	ichat: what shortcut?	12:24
raincode	i don't have floppy drive	12:24
raincode	sir	12:24
GingerGeek[Away]	ActionParsnip - i use it as i need in my otherr 50 channels	12:24
handuel	raincode: try sudo apt-get install ubiquity, then finding the "install ubuntu" program in the dash, and selecting to install to the so called G: partition, after formatting	12:26
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ActionParsnip	GingerGeek[Away]: it unecessarily spams the channel. I have been away and come back hundreds of times, nobody cares. Just minimize the client	12:27
raincode	"backup any docs you want to copy across", in my current condition, if i have install in g:\\ and backup current d:\\ubuntu, can for temporary, i not remove d:\\ubuntu, so after installation we have 3 boot, (xp,current ubuntu in d:\\,and new ubuntu in g:)	12:27
handuel	raincode: yes, however when you install ubuntu in G:, it will use the ubuntu bootloader (grub), that won't recognise an installation within windows (wubi), so you won't be able to boot it any more	12:29
GingerGeek[Away]	ActionParsnip thats like saying join / part are useless. when i am away i am basically offline	12:30
raincode	thx ,.ok sir, now i want to try step by step,.	12:32
handuel	GingerGeek[Away] and ActionParsnip, consider discussing this in private chat so you don't spam here	12:32
ActionParsnip	GingerGeek[Away]: then be away, you don't need to change your nick each time. Why do you think the factoid exists....	12:33
madghost	help me please	12:33
cfhowlett	!details\|madghost,	12:33
ubottu	madghost,: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."	12:33
madghost	how I can run arp command from php in web server apache2 ?	12:33
madghost	I mean without password	12:34
madghost	I do it through shell_exec('/usr/sbin/arp') but output is empty (	12:35
rahmspinat_of_do	let it call a script. allow the use of it via sudo	12:35
minixvm	madghost: incase you don't get an answer here there is also #ubuntu-server	12:35
ActionParsnip	madghost: arp on its own here doesn't need a password, or sudo	12:35
madghost	I measn I need write somewhere some command for ubuntu don't ask password from user www-data	12:36
rahmspinat_of_do	ok? didnt expect that	12:36
madghost	sudo	12:36
madghost	yes	12:36
raincode	while process download now, i want to ask about xchat what some configuration in xchat for our safe?	12:36
madghost	ActionParsnip: sudo, you are right	12:36
raincode	is there setting for our security when we use xchat?	12:37
rahmspinat_of_do	i have been told that with sudo one can disable password requests for a command	12:37
jlkl	i installed a network speed indicator . i couldn't believe it shows the speed in a graphical form rather than numeric one.............	12:38
handuel	rahmspinat_of_do, that is true look in /etc/sudoers	12:38
ActionParsnip	madghost: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc	12:38
madghost	I wrote "visudo"	12:38
madghost	and here I wrote www-data ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/arp	12:39
madghost	but it doesn't work ((	12:39
madghost	I'm sad	12:39
jlkl	so you are mad and sad	12:40
madghost	)))	12:40
madghost	how I can switch user in Linux?	12:41
ichat	how strange	12:41
jlkl	what strange	12:42
jrib	madghost: graphically?	12:42
madghost	not graphicaly (	12:42
carpediembaby	hi, i just installed ubuntu 13.04 and it doesn't seem to boot. i see a black screen with a cursor and a pointer that is responsive. what could be wrong?	12:42
ichat	i go to settings keyboard shortcuts there i create restart x with command killall -u $USER than i hit the keys nothing happens... then i run the same command in terminal and it works	12:43
cfhowlett	!nomodeset\|carpediembaby,	12:44
ubottu	carpediembaby,: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter	12:44
cfhowlett	madghost, su otheruser	12:44
madghost	how I can run some command from other user, not admin	12:44
madghost	I tried, thank you. I don't know password from user www-data :((((	12:44
carpediembaby	cfhowlett: i have a standard intel chipset...	12:45
rahmspinat_of_do	either su <username> or sudo -u <username>	12:45
ActionParsnip	carpediembaby: what video chip do you use?	12:45
rahmspinat_of_do	madghost	12:45
cfhowlett	carpediembaby, nomodeset is quite common and as your descriibed	12:45
ActionParsnip	ichat: if you go into keyboard settings you can re-enable the old ctrl+alt+backspace	12:46
carpediembaby	ActionParsnip: i never checked and now i can't boot in	12:46
ActionParsnip	carpediembaby: does the system have a make and model?	12:46
ichat	ActionParsnip, im running 13.04 its not listed under system	12:46
jlkl	13.04 is beta version	12:46
ActionParsnip	jlkl: 13.04 isn't beta now	12:46
carpediembaby	ActionParsnip: thikpad t410s without any dedicated graphic card.	12:47
ActionParsnip	ichat: under keyboard settings it is	12:47
ActionParsnip	carpediembaby: and you didn't think to check manufacturers website fo spec?	12:47
cfhowlett	carpediembaby, so it's an integrated gpu? should be workable but you MIGHT try to login without unit ... use the alternate desktop environment	12:48
ActionParsnip	carpediembaby: seems to be an Intel GPU, try the nomodeset boot option	12:48
carpediembaby	ActionParsnip: i don't know what exactly you're asking. it has the intel chipset with integrated gpu	12:48
ActionParsnip	carpediembaby: use the nomodeset boot option	12:49
cfhowlett	!nomodeset\|carpediembaby, nomodeset happens on intel too. see the link. follow the steps.	12:49
ubottu	carpediembaby, nomodeset happens on intel too. see the link. follow the steps.: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter	12:49
carpediembaby	cfhowlett: yes it is integrated. i dont know how to set the nomodeset option	12:49
ActionParsnip	carpediembaby: read the guide ubottu gave	12:50
carpediembaby	ok, following the link	12:50
ichat	ActionParsnip, under whitch sub list its supposed to be because under ... system where i gues it belongs i only have 2 options \	12:51
foofoobar	What happens if I cancel a gparted shrinking?	12:51
ichat	ActionParsnip, i know that it used to be there ... but i simply cant find it anymore	12:52
ActionParsnip	ichat: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-ctrl-alt-backspace-in-ubuntukubuntu-10-04lucid-lynx.html	12:52
ActionParsnip	ichat: try asking the web if yo ucan't find something, its chock full of how to guides	12:53
BluesKaj	foofoobar, it should revert to your previous setting , but it will take a while	12:53
cfhowlett	foofoobar, it SHOULD roll back any changes ... but I wouldn't advise it. Let the job finish.	12:53
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foofoobar	heh ok.. I just noticed that I schedulded the following job: 1) shrink partition from 400 to 300 2) shrink from 300 to 290. I'm still at step 1 (4h over)	12:54
foofoobar	I'm a bit frightend the second step will also need that long..	12:54
carpediembaby	ActionParsnip: i chose the temporary parameter option. it seems to work. but it looks like it might be in some very basic mode. the resolution is below par and the cursor is still blinking as if it were a terminal at the top left of the screen	12:54
pr0n	how do i disable ati radeon 5450 in ubuntu 12.04	12:55
cfhowlett	foofoobar, that sounds about right. patience.	12:55
ichat	ActionParsnip, thanks for trying... i guess ubuntu devs are removing functionallity each version until the day that we could just as well use laystone and chalk again...	12:55
adamk	pr0n: What do you mean by disabling that GPU? What is your end goal here?	13:00
carpediembaby	how can i make 13.04 to look for proprietary drivers?	13:00
aguitel	carpediembaby, what driver?	13:01
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carpediembaby	aguitel: i was just asking about a problem with display. i fixed it with nomodeset. but it looks awefull	13:02
adamk	carpediembaby: If a proprietary driver is available and packaged for/by Ubuntu, it would show up under "Additional drivers"	13:02
Dr_willis	normally intel drivers/chipsets shouldent need nomodeset. they should just work.	13:02
adamk	Disabling KMS is generally not a good idea.	13:02
cfhowlett	normally	13:03
pr0n	due to my ati card my laptop gets heated alot, alot.. and there is over consumption of battery too.. so i want to stop it	13:03
Dr_willis	Intel drivers wouldent be shown in the addational-drivers tool.	13:03
carpediembaby	adamk, Dr_willis : it is an intel chipset	13:03
b3rz3rk3r	I've just compiled fwbackups to run automated incremental backups in addition to my weekly disk images. Which folders should I be backing up on my OS install drive?	13:03
adamk	carpediembaby: Then there are no proprietary drivers.	13:03
rupert	Hi guys, I'm running LVM with some USB disks connected to a USB hub. Sometimes this hub resets which causes ubuntu to see the disks as new (they are given an increasing name, sdb instead of sda etc.) This messes up LVM because whenever I try to access a directory on the LVM I get an input/output error. Is there any way I can make the names persistent? I tried looking at udev but I'm not sure how to identify the disks (I tried by USB bus but that didn't	13:04
Dr_willis	carpediembaby, intel makes a lot of differnet video chipsets. there are ppa's for newer versions, and i rcall intell having some tool/script out for installing the latest ones.	13:04
adamk	pr0n: There's no way to disable the discrete GPU in the BIOS?	13:04
carpediembaby	adamk: so the display will remain at this 1024x768 resolution with horrible graphics performance?	13:04
carpediembaby	Dr_willis: okay, i'll try to search for it	13:05
carpediembaby	thanks	13:05
ObrienDave	intel uses the mesa drivers. at least mine does	13:05
adamk	carpediembaby: Is it 1024x768 before or after you booted with "nomodeset"	13:05
ObrienDave	adamk, if you did that, i dont think you would see anything at all	13:06
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carpediembaby	adamk: well before, i could only see the cursor. but it seemed to be at a good (actual) resolution. but now, if i go to appearance it says i have 2560x1600 but its clearly not that. my screen is 1368xsomething	13:07
carpediembaby	and there is no option to change the screen size. and i see jitter when i try to minimize/maximize stuff	13:07
adamk	carpediembaby: OK, the first thing I'd do is remove the nomodeset option. Disabling KMS generally causes problems.	13:07
adamk	Much like the ones you are describing.	13:07
pr0n	adamk: nope :(	13:08
carpediembaby	adamk: then it might not boot in again ... but i'll give it a try	13:09
amx109	i have this irritating bug where apt ges stuck on '100% reading package lists'. when my laptop first boots i dont have that problem, but after a day or so of uptime, apt-get becomes impossible to use. ive tried solutions for similar probelms but no result. can anyone help?	13:10
adamk	carpediembaby: Try to force a specific resolution with KMS by using the video=XRESxYRES option (ie. video=1368x768)	13:10
pr0n	i have already once burnt my cooling sink of my laptop, got it replaced today. i dont want to burn it down by usage of ubuntu again :(	13:11
ObrienDave	amx109, you might look into clearing the apt cache and reloading your sources	13:12
b3rz3rk3r	I've just compiled fwbackups to run automated incremental backups in addition to my weekly disk images. Which folders should I be backing up on my OS drive?	13:13
ObrienDave	b3rz3rk3r, usually just the ones under /home/user_name	13:14
adamk	pr0n: You could try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hybrid_graphics#Fully_Power_Down_Discrete_GPU	13:14
amx109	ObrienDave: ive done that before and it didnt help. ive ran strace and iotop..apt just seems to run through the package lists very very slowly	13:15
b3rz3rk3r	ObrienDave, that's what I figured, but thought I'd check just to be safe. Thanks :)	13:15
ObrienDave	amx109, do these commands look familiar?	13:16
ObrienDave	amx109, apt-get clean	13:16
ObrienDave	amx109, cd /var/lib/apt	13:16
cfhowlett	amx109, run apt-get autoremove and apt-get clean	13:16
ObrienDave	mv lists lists.old	13:16
ObrienDave	mkdir -p lists/partial	13:17
ObrienDave	apt-get clean	13:17
ObrienDave	apt-get update	13:17
amx109	ObrienDave: yup. i wil try again now though	13:17
ObrienDave	cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/	13:17
ObrienDave	amx109, ok, let us know how it went :)	13:19
ObrienDave	amx109, do those from root terminal	13:19
amx109	ObrienDave: yup, i will. in my previous attempts i just rm'd the contentss of /var/lib/apt/ rather than your method. maybe that might have an affect	13:21
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parapan	dear fellows do you know if libre office is much more closed to microsoft compatibility - meaning - docx / xlsx / and specially pptx ?	13:21
ObrienDave	hope so. i picked that up somewhere. worked for me :)	13:21
cfhowlett	parapan, to a degree but not perfectly.	13:21
minixvm	parapan: it tries to be as compatible as it can	13:22
ObrienDave	parapan, couldn't live without LibreOffice or OpenOffice. never had a format problem with either	13:22
amx109	ObrienDave: nope :( no worky. 'reading package lists' is sloooooow. currently at 11%	13:22
cfhowlett	parapan, in my experience, the older formats tend to be much more compatible than the latest MS formats.	13:23
ginkgo	does ubuntu minimal installation iso have the same installer with the same options as normal ubuntu isos?	13:23
ObrienDave	amx109, ouch. when was last time you ran fsck?	13:23
DJones	ginkgo: The minimal iso is a text based installer	13:24
DJones	!minimal \| ginkgo	13:24
ubottu	ginkgo: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD	13:24
amx109	ObrienDave: yea, never. its a fresh FS from 13.04 beta period	13:24
ginkgo	DJones: but same options? (like encrypted for example)	13:24
amx109	ObrienDave: if i reboot, it will returrn to normal	13:24
amx109	ginkgo: yes, just more technical to configure.	13:25
ObrienDave	ok, ok, where do you all get the list of ! commands :)	13:25
yusiky	#klatbit	13:25
DJones	ginkgo: I've never had to use it so I wouldnb't like to say yes or no to that, somebody else should be able to confirm it though	13:25
minixvm	!brain \| ObrienDave	13:25
ubottu	ObrienDave: Hi! I'm #ubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi \| Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins \| Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots	13:25
ObrienDave	amx109, have you tried distro-upgrade?	13:25
ObrienDave	or whatever that one is. needs more coffee	13:26
amx109	heh	13:26
ginkgo	what are the possibilities of installing ubuntu without desktop environment, only the minimal image?	13:27
minixvm	ginkgo: whatever you want to use it for	13:27
cfhowlett	ginkgo, also known as a server? easy	13:27
amx109	ginkgo: you can do it with the minimal installer too	13:27
ObrienDave	ginkgo, i would think it's possible. don't know why you would want to do that unless your a terminal junkie ;))	13:28
jrib	!minimal \| ginkgo	13:28
ubottu	ginkgo: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD	13:28
ObrienDave	*you're	13:28
amx109	ginkgo: i think it runs tasksel towards the end. you can select the purpose of your install then. ie 'server' or 'ubuntu-desktop' etc	13:28
ginkgo	well i would prefer graphical installer but don't want to have a desktop environment installed (want to do that manuallay, am happy with my window manager)	13:29
jrib	ginkgo: that's not an option as far as I know	13:30
ginkgo	jrib: k thanks, that's what i wanted to know	13:30
ginkgo	pretty lame :(	13:30
ObrienDave	ginkgo, you can always remove the DE after install	13:34
wylde_child	hey guys, is there a good tool to backup my complete ubuntu os? (kind like an image) to store it on a harddrive (with lots of other stuff).	13:39
minixvm	!backup \| wylde_child	13:39
ubottu	wylde_child: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning	13:39
wylde_child	so that i can for example upgrade ubuntu to the new version, and if it is totaly messed up, just pop the backup on again?	13:39
ginkgo	ObrienDave: yep ofc i can	13:41
wylde_child	ubottu: i don't think any of the programs do what i need^^	13:45
ubottu	wylde_child: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)	13:45
wylde_child	damn it	13:45
Dr_willis	wylde_child, you can do a 'dd' image to a file. and restore .. or theres clonezilla, or mondo./mindi, or other tools	13:45
shmoon	so what is the importance of /sys folder?	13:45
cfhowlett	!remastersys\|wylde_child,	13:45
wylde_child	i know, but then there is the problem with the format of the harddrive	13:46
Dr_willis	theres dozens of tools and ways to do it wylde_child ..	13:46
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cfhowlett	remastersys ... If it's still available	13:46
wylde_child	it is not :(	13:46
wylde_child	i think that was the tool i needed^^	13:46
Dr_willis	that really wasent what you asked however. ;)	13:46
cfhowlett	wylde_child, according the remastersys site, it's still available. Also, wikipedia remastersys entry lists alternatives in "see also"	13:49
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ObrienDave	remastersys is still available. just have to get it elsewhere	13:49
gentlemanfinn	hi. I'm trying to compile calligra, but when i run cmake I'm told that Qt was compiled without support for fvisibility=hidden. Here's a log http://paste.kde.org/752192/	13:50
Dr_willis	but remastersys is not going to be an 'image' of your system. or at least not without a bit of work.	13:50
Dr_willis	night all	13:50
ObrienDave	see ya Dr :))	13:51
wylde_child	i'm really not sure which one does what i want^^	13:52
ObrienDave	i'd be careful with remastersys. gave me trouble, i think. trouble went away after i uninstalled it	13:53
wylde_child	maybe i still dont get the hang of linux but i just want the exact same setup after restoring, so i dont have to tweak everything again	13:55
ObrienDave	wylde_child, there are backup programs that would restore the system. duplicity comes to mind. afaik iw would only restore the full system	13:57
ObrienDave	*it	13:57
wylde_child	i'm also afraid that it would delete everything on my harddrive (where i want to store my backup)	13:58
wylde_child	because i do stupid things^^	13:58
ginkgo	wylde_child: because you can tweak everything in linux "exact same setup" is a bigger job than you might think	13:59
minixvm	wylde_child: you are making a backup on the medium you want to restore the backup to?	13:59
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ObrienDave	i doubt duplicity would do that. can't vouch for you ;))	13:59
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wylde_child	for dublicity i need an ftp server? at least ubunut user says that	14:00
ObrienDave	no, it's a stand alone program	14:00
gordonjcp	wylde_child: what?	14:00
betrayd	I need to 'retrieve' the conf of my working grub on dualboot XP/Linux. Would boot-repair be able to recover it?	14:01
wylde_child	Once Duplicity is installed and an FTP account is ready to receive the backup files,	14:01
fellayaboy	hey foes anyone know if its possible to encryot a file or a string of text in a file? i wanna put my password in a file but i dont want to leave it out in the open like that foes anyone have a good suggestiin bi hear of using pgp or somethibg like that	14:02
jrib	fellayaboy: yes it's possible but I suggest you use the keyring instead of rolling your own solution	14:02
fellayaboy	hmm the keyring? how does thae keyribg work bi know ive been asked to put password in mNy times to a keyrin but necer undersyood it that well	14:03
jrib	fellayaboy: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring	14:03
ObrienDave	wylde_child, look at deja-dupe	14:03
fellayaboy	thnk u	14:04
fellayaboy	brb	14:04
fellayaboy	exit	14:04
ObrienDave	wylde_child, look at deja-dup. sorry, must be out and about.	14:05
parapan	cfhowlett: minixvm: ObrienDave: Thank you all .....there are some formattings the business world is using in the word templates and powerpoint .....and so creating problems when one is saving those documents - the templates/slides are affected; encountered the problems with OOO and hoped for improvement with Libre . . .	14:05
raub	Is there a php_krb5 package?	14:05
wylde_child	thanks so far :)	14:05
cfhowlett	parapan, yeah, I run into the same. for what it's worth, libreoffice has a pdf output option, so maybe ...	14:06
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fulcan	where is linux-backports-modules-karmic ?	14:11
fulcan	or the omnibook drivers?	14:12
parapan	cfhowlett: thanks, then we will have to try and see :D	14:12
fulcan	E: Couldn't find package linux-backports-modules-karmic	14:13
minixvm	fulcan: karmic has been eol for years now	14:13
cfhowlett	fulcan, karmic on the desktop has gone end of life	14:14
cfhowlett	!karmic	14:14
ubottu	Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. !End-Of-Life on April 29th 2011, see http://ubottu.com/y/karmic for details.	14:14
cfhowlett	fulcan, consider upgrading ...	14:14
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FloodBot1	!netsplit	14:18
ubottu	netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit	14:18
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* mani_ is a m4n1		14:22
mani_	hello world!	14:24
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cfhowlett	mani_, greetings	14:27
mani_	exit	14:30
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colin_	Hello again, but I don't have a lot of time to talk here. Wait a moment.	14:34
Scarface67	!list	14:34
ubottu	Scarface67: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».	14:34
Scarface67	ciao	14:34
colin_	I want to have a brief discussion on integration of Linux based traditional PCs and Android mobile PCs.	14:35
colin_	How will I be able to access an Android phone's flash storage chip from my Linux box?	14:35
colin_	I am on this IRC because my Linux is among the varied *buntus.	14:36
minixvm	colin_: all i needed to do was connect it via usb	14:37
ActionParsnip	colin_: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue on your desktop system?	14:37
colin_	Anyway back to accessing the phone's storage chip. Like in transferring photo files to my Linux.	14:37
colin_	ActionParsnip: what the heck is /etc/issue.	14:37
ActionParsnip	colin_: its a file	14:38
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colin_	ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 11.10	14:38
ActionParsnip	colin_: run the command I gave, what is the output please?	14:38
minixvm	colin_: 11.10 is no longer supported	14:38
colin_	ActionParsnip: pls let me back to my main topic.	14:38
ses1984	i'd like to be able to customize the profile a new user gets when i add a new user to the system, i guess i would do that by customized /etc/skel	14:38
ActionParsnip	colin_: its part of the fix	14:39
colin_	Do I access the phone's storage chip just like it's a USB flash?	14:39
ses1984	i was wondering how i would set it up so a new user would automatically have certain samba shares mounted	14:39
ses1984	but i'm not sure where that information belongs as part of a user profile	14:39
colin_	Another question: phone tethering.	14:39
colin_	I rather would do phone tethering via USB. So does tethering does anything else beside the possibly of the phone as a cell modem?	14:40
colin_	minivxm: sorry ubuntu 11.10 no longer supported.	14:41
ActionParsnip	colin_: hence me asking	14:41
ActionParsnip	colin_: so it IS part of the main topic, isn't it	14:42
minixvm	!topic \| colin_	14:42
ubottu	colin_: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic	14:42
mustmodify	Hey, how can I prepend line numbers to this page? `curl "http://...." \| add_line_numbers \| less	14:42
mustmodify	`	14:42
ActionParsnip	colin_: when people ask you things, despite what you MAY think, they are part of the fix,.	14:42
colin_	ActionParsnip: interface between android phones and linux boxes is the main topic for me this moment.	14:42
mustmodify	Can't find it on google but surely someone has written that	14:42
Pici	mustmodify: pipe through nl	14:42
mustmodify	Pici: thanks I'll try athat.	14:43
mustmodify	that	14:43
ActionParsnip	colin_: your release is no longer supported	14:43
minixvm	colin_: and for us to help you with that you'd need to be running a supported version of ubuntu	14:43
ActionParsnip	colin_: that fact trumps any other fact	14:44
colin_	my phone is a recent model; less than 6 months old.	14:44
ActionParsnip	colin_: but your OS is dead	14:44
minixvm	colin_: if only your ubuntu install was recent too..	14:44
ActionParsnip	colin_: the OS you are using is EOL	14:44
colin_	ActionParsnip: well I'm sorry that my Ubuntu is EOL. I'll go. Bye.	14:45
ActionParsnip	I love when people don't think questions are relevant	14:48
mmrazik	petervonfrosta: hi. tvoss mentioned you are playing with raspberry pi..	14:49
petervonfrosta	hey, yes, that's right	14:50
Capprentice	Where I can get a easy guide on all the ways to compile a .deb binary for Ubuntu ?	14:50
petervonfrosta	but i am a newbe and trieing to get bluettoth working	14:50
sere_	Question: Im working on this labtop that was dropped and everything seem to be functional but for some reason this battery wont hold a charge..i was reading that in windows you can drain and then regenerate the battery power.. is that possible in ubuntu or some other tools to trouble shoot this?	14:51
mmrazik	petervonfrosta: with some bluetooth dongle?	14:51
mmrazik	never tried that :-/	14:51
sere_	the labtop will not in get power for the cord and the cord is good	14:52
dellos	aa	14:52
ActionParsnip	Capprentice: use checkinstall to make a deb from compiled source rather than: sudo make install	14:52
dellos	cant find home/username/.vim	14:53
ActionParsnip	sere_: I'd ask in ##hardware	14:53
iceroot	Capprentice: have a look at debhelper (man debhelper) and searching on the debian website about debhelper and packaging	14:53
ActionParsnip	sere_: a system not charging is OS independant	14:53
petervonfrosta	you want to know the bluetouth chip? or dongle? the dongle is from logilink, it should be compatible...	14:53
Capprentice	http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html	14:53
dellos	so where to install pluging	14:53
petervonfrosta	some tools from installed bluez package do work	14:53
Capprentice	Do I need not to follow any of those :http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html	14:53
sere_	ActionParsnip: i started out in my usb slax and then installed lubuntu .32 as we discussed yesterday :)	14:54
mmrazik	petervonfrosta: not sure I'll be able to help you. I'm actually fairly new to Pi as well. I just tried to recently play with it mostly to try some electronics stuff. Never tried any radio (bluetooth nor wifi)	14:55
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_DomY-Dom	Hello, in 13.04, what is the valid path to the 3.8.0-22-generci kernel headers?	14:55
_DomY-Dom	generic *	14:55
Capprentice	ActionParsnip, Ok, it working :D ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall	14:56
nabil_	sas	14:57
chips	??/	14:57
chips	??/	14:57
chips	??/	14:57
chips	??/	14:57
FloodBot1	chips: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.	14:57
asdsadasdadasdsa	.	14:57
betrayd	_DomY-Dom usually synaptic will show you 'Details' especially if it's installed	14:57
petervonfrosta	i can use the bluez applications from the terminal. but actually i what to use bluetooth from c-program	14:58
sudobash	I keep getting this error when trying to install php5-sasl, just recently upgrade php to 5.4.14: The following packages have unmet dependencies:	14:58
sudobash	php5-sasl : Depends: phpapi-20090626	14:58
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petervonfrosta	thank You for try to help!	14:59
Pici	sudobash: how did you upgrade to 5.4.14?	14:59
sudobash	1 sec and I'll get the command	15:00
sudobash	1995 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php5	15:00
sudobash	1996 sudo apt-get update	15:00
sudobash	1997 sudo apt-get upgrade	15:00
sudobash	1998 php -v	15:00
FloodBot1	sudobash: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.	15:00
sudobash	oh wait it's 5.4.15	15:01
sudobash	any advice? I've tried skipping deps but not luck	15:01
jrib	sudobash: my advice is not to use that ppa	15:04
sudobash	I guess there isn't a rebuilt sasl package for 5.4.15?	15:05
ginkgo	is there any advantage 13.04 > 12.04 ? because i don't see one	15:05
minixvm	ginkgo: more recent kernel and packages	15:06
ginkgo	minixvm: packages too?	15:06
minixvm	ginkgo: indeed, every release has newer packages	15:06
sudobash	what php version is in the repository for 13.04?	15:07
minixvm	ginkgo: thats why every release has their own repos (and you should never mix them)	15:07
Pici	minixvm: 5.4.9	15:07
ginkgo	minixvm: well do you mean it takes longer for them to become available in 12.04?	15:07
Pici	minixvm: sorry, that was for sudobash	15:07
jlhg2	hello, can apt-get install a list of packages in a txt file?	15:08
minixvm	ginkgo: they don't become available unless absolutely neccesary	15:08
ginkgo	minixvm: wait a minute, a new version of emacs comes out, 13.04 will get it, 12.04 being a lts won't ? is that what you are saying	15:09
minixvm	ginkgo: yes	15:09
minixvm	!backports \| ginkgo	15:09
ubottu	ginkgo: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging	15:09
ohbuntu	basic question: how can I find the apps that ubuntu comes with before installing it?	15:10
minixvm	ohbuntu: you mean by default or whats in the repo?	15:11
ohbuntu	I mean by default...	15:11
sudobash	Pici here was the upgrade process to php 5.4.15: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5710477/	15:11
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Pici	sudobash: PPAs are unsupported. If you're having issues with that one, either contact the maintainer or stop using it.	15:12
jezi22	anyone here using byobu? i can't make it run login shells... i tried googling and i cannot understand some of the solutions. i am using ubuntu 12.04	15:13
Arkhana	Hello everybody! Is there any tool to record a console session to a .txt file?	15:13
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minixvm	ginkgo: the repositories are essentially a snapshot of all the packages that were available at the time of the release	15:14
minixvm	ginkgo: newer packages are not added to the repos (although there are a few exceptions to that rule)	15:15
genii-around	Arkhana: Ironically, it's called "script"	15:15
ghufran_	hi, is there any package that would suggest spelling corrections much like the ones in mobile phones?	15:16
_DomY-Dom	betrayd: I don't have synaptic nor an internet connection on the machine to check	15:17
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rubdos	Anyone knows why it takes five minutes on a laptop with 8 gigs ram to boot 13.04? Just upgraded from 12.10 from 12.04 (chain upgraded) http://ubuntuone.com/4wstKgHYdFHLO6CF20vVLR	15:18
sudobash	ok well is there a supported upgrade process for php 5.4.15 in ubuntu 12.04	15:18
minixvm	sudobash: no, only what is in the repos is supported	15:19
DouglasK	rubdos, no idea... mine takes < 2 mins to be at the KDE desktop ready to work, allowing for time to login.	15:19
rubdos	DouglasK, it already booted slowly, but that was only one single minute. This computer is just new (one year old?) and I told the owner it would be faster to use 13.04. It is, once booted... I attached the bootchart in the link above	15:20
_DomY-Dom	genii-around: any idea?	15:20
genii-around	_DomY-Dom: I don't use vmware. But you could try adding the /include/ path on the end of the one you already tried	15:23
chvx	is it good to use a stable version with few developement software? or should i take install the unstable or what you call it then instead?	15:28
savid	How do I keep microphone sound from coming back through the speakers?	15:28
savid	I can hear my own voice through my headset -- I'd rather have the mic input not feed back into the speaker output.	15:29
_DomY-Dom	genii-around: nope didn't work either :(	15:30
horrorxstory	hey everyone	15:33
_DomY-Dom	genii-around: any other ideas?	15:33
horrorxstory	whats the question	15:33
horrorxstory	im so bored	15:35
_DomY-Dom	horrorxstory: installing vmware tools in Xubuntu 13.04 VM (VMWare Fusion) and I'm being asked for the valid path of the 3.8.0-22-generic kernel headers	15:35
compdoc	no zombies to battle?	15:35
horrorxstory	sadly not]	15:35
_DomY-Dom	horrorxstory: And I tried /usr/src/linux-kernel-headers-3.8.0-22-generic/ as well as blah/include again	15:35
_DomY-Dom	horrorxstory: and it didn't work	15:35
_DomY-Dom	horrorxstory: so I was wondering if genii-around had any other ideas, him being the person who gave me that idea in the first place	15:36
ct529	libreoffice segfaults every time you try to save a document on my installation of 13.04 at 64 bit	15:36
_DomY-Dom	horrorxstory: that was the question, any idea?	15:36
horrorxstory	ohhh	15:36
horrorxstory	so its not saving anything	15:36
horrorxstory	?	15:36
horrorxstory	sounds to me that something went wrong during installation	15:37
horrorxstory_	dos?	15:40
horrorxstory_	can anyone recommend any good linux games	15:42
DJones	!games \| horrorxstory_	15:44
ubottu	horrorxstory_: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and http://www.penguspy.com/	15:44
DJones	Thats probably a good place to start	15:44
horrorxstory_	no i just wanted some recommendations	15:44
Quest	is there a good easy firewall that has a web interface for settings and rules?	15:45
Myrtti	horrorxstory_: try in #ubuntu-offtopic, or install nethack.	15:45
DJones	horrorxstory_: The channel doesn't really do poll's, maybe ask that in #ubuntu-offtopic though	15:45
bazhang	Quest, gufw , the gui front end for ufw	15:46
Legits	Can anyone help with my broken initramfs?	15:48
Legits	I just did a new installation on LUKS-encrypted LVM on a GPT table. I can't figure out how to get initramfs to boot everything correctly.	15:48
Quest	bazhang, thanks	15:48
Quest	bazhang, gufw is web based?	15:49
bazhang	Quest, why would you need that	15:49
swifty	hi all	15:50
Quest	bazhang, to use it remotely	15:50
sh3llc0d3r	hello all	15:51
apg	Could anybody point me to social channel on freenode?	15:51
bazhang	apg #defocus	15:51
DJones	!alis \| apg	15:51
ubottu	apg: alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" for help and ask any questions about it in #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* or /msg alis list http	15:51
apg	ok, thanks bazhang Djones	15:52
apg	join #defocus	15:53
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Quest	is there a good easy firewall that has a web interface for settings and rules?	15:53
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Legits	Quest, I use iptables.	15:54
Legits	I know there's a front-end called ufw, but I've never used it.	15:54
Legits	The Arch Linux wiki has a pretty good tutorial on setting it up manually though. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_Stateful_Firewall	15:55
benjymau5	ufw is good. not sure if it has a web interface though	15:55
Legits	I don't think it does. It comes standard with Mint.	15:55
starbuck	hi, how can i disable bluetooth at sstartup? its always back on after a reboot... i don't ned it	15:56
ro9	starbuck try rfkill	15:56
starbuck	ro9: there must be a configuration file somewhere or not?	15:57
Quest	Legits, i need a webbased firwal	15:57
kjs	If I need to setup SW RAID1, do I need the server install ISO ?	15:57
starbuck	ro9: it also should be possible to reactivate it easy in case i need it	15:58
Legits	Starbuck, I think you're looking for /etc/init.d/[startup script]. I'm not sure on the specifics, but you might find something on Google.	15:58
benjymau5	Quest, why do you need web based?	15:58
ro9	starbuck, I usually use rfkill block/unblock dev	15:59
Quest	benjamino, to control remotely	15:59
benjymau5	ssh	16:00
benjymau5	i have ubuntu server w ufw. just ssh in and "ufw status"	16:01
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=== linuxthefish` is now known as linuxthefish
=== linuxthefish is now known as linuxthefish`
Quest	Legits, benjamino bazhang http://www.iptables.info/en/iptables-gui.html	16:05
starbuck	ro9: i did a sudo rfkill block bluetooth - will it still be disabled at the next bootup?	16:06
gothpaw	maybe going with 13.04 wasn't such a good idea..... a lot of stuff isn't compatible and I keep getting ALOT of internal errors happening. Is there a safe way to "Down Grade to 12.04LTS" ?	16:07
mehwork	is there a way to delete my ubuntu partition from ubuntu, without having to create any special boot disk?	16:10
yusiky	한글	16:11
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TonnyNerd	Can someone tell me which package I have to install to have gnome-control-center show network settings?	16:14
TonnyNerd	currently it only shows Personal (Language Support and Ubuntu One), Hardware (Printers) and System (Software Sources)	16:15
TonnyNerd	I want, specifically, the proxy settings	16:15
betrayd	gothpaw maybe install from your 12 04 CD?	16:15
betrayd	ofc save your critical data first	16:16
gothpaw	betrayed: I'm looking for a method that does not consist of a complete reinstall...	16:16
gothpaw	s/betrayed/betrayd	16:17
PyGuy	Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit?	16:17
betrayd	i think that would involve time-travel	16:17
TonnyNerd	anyone?	16:17
gothpaw	TonnyNerd: do you have networkmanager istalled?	16:17
TonnyNerd	gothpaw, there's a package called network-manager	16:18
gothpaw	and 'network-manager-applet' as well	16:18
ActionParsnip	TonnyNerd: isnt that in nm-applet ?	16:19
TonnyNerd	gothpaw, there's not such package here	16:20
gothpaw	hmmmm, 13.04 internal problems all point too Unity.... maybe if I remove Unity all my "internal" problems will go away...	16:20
TonnyNerd	ActionParsnip, nm-applet is for connection, it doesn't have proxy setting	16:20
TonnyNerd	*settings	16:21
PyGuy	ActionParsnip: What was that command you told me to enter yesterday (the alsa one)? I have a supported kernel now	16:21
TonnyNerd	gothpaw, is this package in a non-standard repository?	16:24
MonkeyDust	TonnyNerd no need to remove unity, simply install and use a different DE	16:25
MonkeyDust	gothpaw ^^^^^	16:25
TonnyNerd	MonkeyDust, too late for the advice, I already did it	16:25
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TonnyNerd	what I am trying to do now is getting at least this panel (proxy) back on gnome-control-center	16:26
mehwork	how do you format a harddrive from ubuntu? I typed 'disks' from unity but it's not finding any program called disks	16:28
PyGuy	Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit?	16:29
funch_	mehwork gparted with guy or just fdisk from terminal	16:29
funch_	gui*	16:29
mehwork	funch_: i ran fdisk but when i type 'd' it says 'no partition selected'	16:30
MonkeyDust	mehwork what do you want to achieve?	16:30
mehwork	gparted doesn't show up when isearch in unity either	16:30
mehwork	MonkeyDust: i want to delete ubuntu and reinstall windows so i can sell this computer. It only has ubuntu on it irght now	16:30
MonkeyDust	mehwork boot from a live cd or usb, use gparted to delete ubuntu	16:31
genii-around	Or if you just boot to the windows DVD, it just thinks any other type of OS on there needs to be deleted anyhow.	16:32
mehwork	MonkeyDust: do i have to boot from a separate thing like that? seems like a waste to have to go download/install all that just to delete my os	16:33
PyGuy	Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit? Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything.	16:34
MonkeyDust	mehwork use the medium you used to install ubuntu, or delete/format the partition durting windows install	16:35
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betrayd	!patience > PyGuy	16:37
ubottu	PyGuy, please see my private message	16:37
BluesKaj	PyGuy, intel audio on that SB card ?	16:37
PyGuy	BluesKaj: Huh?	16:38
ActionParsnip	PyGuy: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload	16:39
BluesKaj	PyGuy, open a terminal and type alsamixer , then look for the audio chip in the upper left , then we can determine which driver is needed	16:39
ActionParsnip	PyGuy: run: history \| grep alsa you would have seen it :)	16:39
PyGuy	ActionParsnip: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=97a519d0130d5e1196eb7c742c40bc1774240e66	16:40
PyGuy	BluesKaj: Creative CA0132	16:40
Umair	guys why dahs (-) after wget args? I see it while I tried to download https://toolbelt.heroku.com/	16:41
Umair	dahs*	16:41
BluesKaj	PyGuy, you have intel hda module and appears to be loaded , then the next step is to check pavucontrol to make sure you outputs are set correctly	16:42
Umair	dash*	16:42
riqdiiz	Looks like an sdcard 8gb is more harder to format on terminal !	16:42
BluesKaj	any idea why konversation won't open in unity ?...running both unity and kde on 13.04 , but Unity will launch quassel but not konversation	16:44
BluesKaj	didn't see any errors in /var/log syslog , like it wasn't even called	16:45
* BluesKaj isn't a qussel fan		16:45
BluesKaj	oh well , BBL	16:46
MonkeyDust	BluesKaj Konversation is for KDE, Unity is Gnome <-- makes sense?	16:48
adamk	BlueShark: What happens if you run konversation from a terminal?	16:50
adamk	MonkeyDust: That would have no bearing. KDE apps should work fine in gnome and vice-versa.	16:50
MonkeyDust	adamk yes, and just found: quassel is also a KDE thing	16:50
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foofoobar	So I want to change my swap to a different drive. I just created the partition. Now I will do 1) swapoff -a 2) mkswap /dev/sdb4 3) swapon -a 4) change the swap in the /etc/fstab	16:54
foofoobar	is this the right order?	16:54
genii-around	foofoobar: Pretty much	16:57
foofoobar	ok	16:57
smartguyz	requesting help loading wifi drivers for EDIMAX AC122 on ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77	16:58
robertzaccour	I don't see MP4 in Kdenlive. What's the closest other format to MP4?	16:58
MonkeyDust	robertzaccour i guess .flv, as youtube clips are saved as one of those	16:59
foofoobar	Strange.. bklid shows me a different UUID for /dev/sdb4 than mkswap did?	17:00
smartguyz	EDIMAX AC 1200 not working on UBUNTU 13.04	17:00
foofoobar	blkid says: /dev/sdb4: UUID="77c756ff-aeba-4ea9-995d-a87356d67d18" TYPE="swap" and mkswap tells me: no label, UUID=b64210db-bb71-433e-acb1-7864e123eb30	17:00
foofoobar	What UUID should I use in my fstab now?	17:01
robertzaccour	MonkeyDust, Too late, already started rendering to H.264. Hope it turns out good.	17:01
robertzaccour	MonkeyDust, Thanks though :)	17:01
BluesKaj	MonkeyDust, unity should still run kde apps , just like kde runs gnome/unity apps	17:01
User404	Currently With one of my hard drives I can only see the contents via super user. My regular user cannot. How do I give the regular user permission to read and write to the drive?	17:01
robertzaccour	Unity runs slower than Gnome Shell/Mate,Xfce/KDE, especially in the HUD.	17:02
cobalt238	Do I need to do something refresh the sharing options of a directory?	17:02
genii-around	foofoobar: Might want to run partprobe to make sure it knows about any new UUID and not cached	17:02
robertzaccour	The HUD is a slow cluttered buggy mess.	17:02
robertzaccour	And Ubuntu being built on compiz cause it to freeze and crash a lot.	17:02
cobalt238	I disabled guest access on my directory, but I can still see it on my Windows machine without logging in	17:03
robertzaccour	It would do Canonical's rep a lot of good if they recognize Xubuntu/Kubuntu again.	17:03
foofoobar	genii-around: partprobe with any arguments? its returns nothing	17:03
foofoobar	blkid still has the same output. should I run mkswap again?	17:03
genii-around	foofoobar: Yes, just sudo partprobe	17:03
foofoobar	genii-around: okay. blkid still has the same output	17:04
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genii-around	foofoobar: Then that should be the correct UUID	17:04
foofoobar	genii-around: should I run mkswap again?	17:04
genii-around	foofoobar: Apologies on lag, I'm at work. ... probably not needed. Does mount show swap active?	17:06
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genii-around	foofoobar: Anyhow, when you run the swapon command, use the UUID which blkid reported	17:08
* genii-around goes to answer the phone		17:08
foofoobar	genii-around: one moment. I have to edit the fstab before I do the swapon right?	17:09
foofoobar	genii-around: or should I do a sudo swapon UUID=<id from blkid> ?	17:09
foofoobar	I will try it	17:10
foofoobar	Now blkid changed its output	17:10
foofoobar	I just run it again	17:10
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foofoobar	so sudo swapon UUID=<blkid from my device> gave no error/output. but the new swap does not appear when running "mount"	17:12
KyouReeus4nfo	Hello, I happily use Xfce but when I used Unity I always wondered why it always showed one more user than number of terminal processes when I executed 'users' command. It does not happen in Xfce. It could be just my system or there is some explanation for it that I am not aware of. Thoughts?	17:12
handuel0	foofoobar: I don't think it would, swap doesn't get mounted, might be wrong though	17:13
foofoobar	handuel0: okay	17:13
foofoobar	Is there any way to test if the new swap is set up correctly?	17:13
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tones	googl	17:17
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foofoobar	I will reboot, brb	17:19
marianne	hi guys... running 12.04 64 bit and I'm having issues with browsers freezing. I've tried Chrome and firefox and both do it... any ideas on what might be wrong?	17:20
foofoobar	Looks good :)	17:21
raulsh	i had same problem , then i changed it too 2D instead of 3D	17:21
raulsh	now the freezing has ceased	17:22
raulsh	but no idea why it freezes , i guess it has something to do with the recent upgrades	17:22
genii-around	foofoobar: Apologies, boss came by. If cat /proc/swaps shows the new one you just made, should be OK	17:22
rizal	ada orang?	17:23
foofoobar	genii-around: no problem :) thanks for your help, it looks like it works :)	17:23
foofoobar	I rebooted without any problem	17:23
foofoobar	And hibernation also worked "out of the box"	17:23
genii-around	Ah, good	17:23
foofoobar	On the ubuntu SwapFAQ there were some steps I should do for hibernation, but it works without this so I will not do this	17:24
EdUaRdO_27	alguém do Brasil aí?	17:24
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antoniodp	ciao	17:25
antoniodp	list!	17:25
genii-around	!it \| antoniodp	17:25
ubottu	antoniodp: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)	17:25
hs_	hello , grub2 is not starting when i run on the computer , checked the configurations every thing seems fine	17:27
imajeff	have you used grub2 before?	17:28
vitimiti	hi o/	17:28
bekks	hs_: What happens exactly?	17:28
hs_	no	17:28
hs_	bekks , ubuntu starts normally , without leting me select to boot recovery mode or normal boot	17:28
imajeff	Could it be you have configured it but not installed it in boot sector?	17:29
KyouReeus4nfo	Press shift till you see the menu	17:29
bekks	hs_: Then grub works perfectly, since it starts ubuntu. You have to configure grub to show you the menu or pressing shift before grub starts to do the same.	17:29
hs_	bekks is there a way to show you the menu automaticly ?	17:30
bekks	hs_: Yes, configure grub to do so, just as I said.	17:30
bekks	!grub2 \| hs_	17:30
ubottu	hs_: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2	17:30
hs_	bekks can you advise me about it ? am not the pro	17:30
n0yd	Hey. I am trying to build gimp dev build from git. I followed an guide, but I am getting stuck (I am no noob to compiling things from source, even on ubuntu)	17:30
=== glebihan__ is now known as glebihan
n0yd	Basically its telling me I am missing glib, which obviously should already be installed	17:31
bazhang	n0yd, why not install gimp from repos	17:31
bekks	hs_: Please read the link you've just been given by ubottu.	17:31
hs_	bekks ok thanks	17:31
hs_	ive got alot of questions actually	17:32
n0yd	bazhang, seriously dude?	17:32
n0yd	Because it is the dev build	17:32
n0yd	I wouldn't come here and ask such a stupid question	17:32
bazhang	n0yd, why do you need that	17:32
adamk	n0yd: Make sure you install the development packages of the required dependent libraries.	17:32
n0yd	bazhang, because I do? Stop asking silly questions	17:32
hs_	my other laptop , xorg crashed, so i tried to use live-cd , but it cant repare it because the ubuntu ive installed is inside the windows 7 boot manager. any hint ?	17:32
n0yd	I am bug hunting	17:32
n0yd	adamk, I have	17:33
Pici	n0yd: have you installed the build-dependencies for the ubuntu gimp package?	17:33
bekks	hs_: So you installed ubuntu using wubi on the other laptop, correct?	17:33
n0yd	As I said, I am not a noob when it comes to building from scratch	17:33
n0yd	omg...	17:33
hs_	bekks exactly	17:33
bekks	hs_: Then I am out of clues. I've never used wubi and never will.	17:33
n0yd	This channel is useless for anything remotely uncommon to normal usage	17:33
adamk	n0yd: Alright, if you're not a noobie to compiling things, you should know how to check the config.log file to see what's failing and why.	17:34
hs_	thanks , one last question, ive changed the unity-greeter logo , but the position is not currect. any hint ?	17:34
bekks	n0yd: A simple "yes/no" to the last question being asked would ease up your issue :)	17:34
Pici	n0yd: This is the same question I'd ask to anyone trying to compile something that is also in the repositories from source.	17:34
n0yd	Sigh, Im already ten steps ahead.	17:34
nacii4	:)	17:34
n0yd	Pici, um, 2.9 is NOT in repositories	17:34
n0yd	But ok	17:34
=== GingerGeek is now known as GingerGeek[Away]
=== GingerGeek[Away] is now known as GingerGeek
bekks	hs_: No clue, either. Never dealt with the logo since I dnot care about it :)	17:35
Pici	n0yd: Okay, but there are older versions in the repos. Unless this wants some other version of glib (which is going to be an issue) then while it might install something you don't need, doing build-dep is usually a good start.	17:35
hs_	bekks , because iam trying to use my own interface with my own tools and want to build an live-cd for my own use.	17:36
adamk	n0yd: So when are you getting the error about missing glib?	17:36
bekks	hs_: Then I'd do all those stuff in a vm, avoiding breaking the system you are actually working with.	17:36
n0yd	Isnt the point of Linux and open source in general to have the freedom to do whatever it is you'd like? And not be stuck to "Well, just use whats already available and neatly packaged". I understdn thye reasoning for simple anjswers in a channel like this, because most of the time the questions are from new users, and it's easier to just point them to the simplest answer. But I only come in here generally as a last resort when I cannot find the answer fro	17:37
n0yd	m googling for half hour	17:37
imajeff	Anyone have idea why 27" monitor plugged in my laptop would not be identified when it did last week? Cannot select high enough resolution now.	17:37
hs_	bekks, that what most people told me. but didnt felt like doing so.	17:37
bekks	hs_: Well, then avoid breaking your system ;)	17:37
n0yd	adamk, btw, i am not building it in the "debian way". ie \building it using their tools to package it so it can be installing via dpkg/apt	17:39
hs_	bekks , the only way to learn (to me) is to try , sometimes i dont find things on the net nor books.	17:39
n0yd	Im going to be building pretty much daily anyway, so its not worth my time. Plus I can easily keep older vbersion installed that way (which is good when bug chasing)	17:40
bekks	hs_: Well, then try in a vm.	17:40
adamk	n0yd: OK, well I seem to be the only person here actually trying to help you, and you haven't actually answered my question... So good luck and goodbye.	17:40
MonkeyDust	hs_ that's the way we all learned it: trial and error	17:40
n0yd	adamk, bsically, ubuntu uses a pretty old glib version	17:40
n0yd	afaik, the newest glib is at least 2.32 (from my head), gimp from git requires 2.29, and ubunutu has 2.27	17:41
MonkeyDust	hs_ and by making errors, we can now give advice on how to repair them	17:41
adamk	n0yd: Really? ii libglib2.0-0:amd64 2.36.0-1ubuntu2	17:42
n0yd	adamk, you asked what the error is. I've said, it doesn't like the version of glib installed	17:42
n0yd	adamk, oops sorry. I typod	17:42
n0yd	I see 2.37	17:42
n0yd	woops\	17:42
n0yd	2.36 for raring	17:42
n0yd	2.37 for saucy	17:42
n0yd	lemme re-read	17:42
adamk	You're not making any sense really... gimp from git requires 2.29? The latest Ubuntu release clearly has something newer.	17:43
n0yd	like I said, i was taking that from memory	17:43
adamk	Oi vey. I'm done.	17:43
n0yd	adamk, I can compile plenty of other things that require glib	17:43
adamk	If you need to upgrade glib, upgrade glib... I really don't care, can't stop you, and won't try. But don't be surprised if everything else starts to break.	17:43
n0yd	babl and other things. And I compile android 2-3 times a day	17:43
n0yd	right	17:43
n0yd	Id rather not compile glib	17:44
n0yd	because of possible breakage	17:44
hs_	thanks guys	17:44
n0yd	But, it shouldnt break if I leave thye old version in place that was installed via dpkg	17:44
hs_	any one here knows how to recover ubuntu from windows 7 boot manager' ?	17:44
n0yd	At least I hope so :)	17:44
adamk	n0yd: You could try installing your own glib to /usr/local/ of course.	17:44
n0yd	right	17:44
n0yd	which is what I am going to try	17:44
n0yd	Unless someone else has other recommendations :)	17:45
imajeff	hs_: Simply install grub again, it overwrites	17:45
Umair	guys why dash (-) after wget args? I see it while I tried to download https://toolbelt.heroku.com/	17:46
bekks	hs_: Dont do it. Do not. Dont.	17:46
n0yd	Which is why I was here. No offense but I don't come here often, and when I do, it's not here simple things like "Why not just install from repos". I've been using unix and linux for 13 years, of course I would've thought of that ;)	17:46
bekks	hs_: That will break your box, since grub isnt able to boot wubi.	17:46
imajeff	sorry probably not right answer	17:46
adamk	n0yd: Enough already. Drop it. You've been given the only advice you are likely to get.	17:46
OerHeks	n0yd, stop the ranting, you started with "I am no noob to compiling things from source"	17:46
n0yd	adamk, I really do appreciate the help though	17:46
bekks	hs_: And if you do something wrong, your windows wont boot anymore.	17:46
MonkeyDust	wubi?	17:46
bekks	MonkeyDust: Yeah, hs_ is using wubi.	17:47
n0yd	adamk, Not sure why you are getting mad. I am not saying that towards you.	17:47
hs_	bekks , i want to repare my ubuntu because live-cd can read the partition of it, but when i go and boot from windows i can see it...	17:47
n0yd	You were not the one that decided to push the simple questions and answers on me when I stated from the beginning that I am not a noob	17:47
bekks	hs_: You cant repair wubi using a livecd. Restore your backup if you messed up your wubi installation.	17:47
bekks	hs_: Everything else will mess up your entire system.	17:48
MonkeyDust	hs_ wubi is the worst invenstion since coffee without sugar and the whole world cheered when it was removed from the ubuntu iso	17:48
bekks	n0yd: And you didnt answered one single question pointed to your issue yet. Go figure.	17:48
KyouReeus4nfo	n0yd - I don't mind asking stupid questions, just for my curiosity, did you try to install it in your home directory? And just to let you know I am noob.	17:48
n0yd	And Im not stating I am "not a noob" to look like a arrogant guy that knows all. It was to help others help me, by giving them an idea of my skill level. So I wouldn't generate questions/answers that are belownwhat I am trying to do	17:48
adamk	n0yd: It feels like you are trying to provoke a battle with others in here, which is something I do not appreciate.	17:48
hs_	bekks , i didnot mess with wubi , i messed with ubuntu who installed by wubi	17:48
n0yd	adamk, not at all sir	17:48
demonic	hi	17:49
n0yd	Sorry if that was the way you interpreted it	17:49
n0yd	Seriously, I am here for help. And helping others	17:49
hs_	installed some repository's of debian	17:49
adamk	Alright, then drop it, and everyone will move on.	17:49
MonkeyDust	hs_ wubi is a pseudo-install inside windows, not alongside it	17:49
adamk	Please let me know how you make out with glib and gimp.	17:49
bekks	hs_: And you cant fix it. Neither by reinstalling grub, nor by using a livecd. Restore your entire wubi installation from your backup. Everything else will mess up your entire system. Second time I tell you that.	17:49
n0yd	KyouReeus4nfo, no problem. I am actually trying to install it in my home dir now.	17:49
n0yd	Well, trying to glib there at least. And building gimp there	17:50
KyouReeus4nfo	I would try sudo make and sudo make install once more	17:50
n0yd	nah, im not there yet	17:50
n0yd	:)	17:50
n0yd	I cant config the make file yet, so I can't make :)	17:50
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Strucker	Greetings. I'm trying to install U. 13.04 on Linux Mint Virtual Box. When the O.S. boot, I see an error, saying that my hardware isn't AMD 64, a i686. Can I configure the VM BIOS?	17:50
KyouReeus4nfo	sudo it ALL	17:50
bekks	!mint \| Strucker	17:50
ubottu	Strucker: Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org	17:50
KyouReeus4nfo	lol	17:50
hs_	yeah.. when i login in the user profile(used to login), i use alt+crtl+t , and tried to upgrade things	17:50
n0yd	:P	17:50
hs_	after the reboot ,i can only access with guest account.	17:51
n0yd	im already using sudo -i :)	17:51
bekks	hs_: Yeah, then restore your entire wubi installation from your backup.	17:51
Gape2	Hello, I had ubuntu 12.10 and Windows 8 on uefi dual boot. It worked well until I upgrade to ubuntu 13.04 and now I'm unable to boot into ubuntu (it's gone from uefi boot list)	17:51
Strucker	bekks: Virtual Box. I want to install Ubuntu 13.04	17:51
hs_	wubi , recovers lost files ?	17:51
bekks	Strucker: Ah :)	17:51
adamk	bekks: Did you not see that Strucker is trying to install Ubuntu in a VM? The VM happens to be on a Mint host, which is irrelevent.	17:52
bekks	hs_: No. Backup is your entire responsibility. If you dont have one - drop that wubi installation and install Ubuntu in a vm.	17:52
adamk	Strucker: Check in your BIOS for Virtualization support. Not all 64-bit CPUs have virtualization support, which is necessary for running a 64-bit OS in a virtualizer like virtualbox or vmware.	17:52
bekks	adamk: I didnt get that, thats why I said "Ah :)". Unfortunately I am writing to hs in parallel, so Strucker will have to have a few seconds before getting a further answer from me.	17:53
bekks	Strucker: Which CPU do you have in your host?	17:53
* hs_ made bekks and monkeyDust his master's		17:53
ubuntuaddicted	i have a command i need run with sudo, i added the command to /etc/rc.local but it doesn't appear to have run with sudo	17:54
Womkes	which windows tool would you recommend for making an bootable usb key for ubuntu server?	17:54
n0yd	unetbootin?	17:54
Strucker	adamk: bekks: My hardware is AMD 64_86. I'm sure about. Looks like VM isn't recognizing it..	17:54
Womkes	lemme chjeck that	17:54
n0yd	if you mean you need a abootable copy of ubuntu on a usb key	17:54
adamk	Strucker: Again, not all 64-bit CPUs support hardware virtualization...	17:54
bekks	Strucker: Wich CPU is on your host?	17:54
n0yd	Unetbootin works linux and windows. Does it perfectly	17:54
bekks	Strucker: Wee need the very exact make and model.	17:54
n0yd	Might work for mac also :)	17:55
Womkes	ok thanks I will try it now n0yd :)	17:55
latovitz	hello there, first of all sorry for my newbieness im quite new with linux. im having some trouble using extended display with 2 monitors. they both work seperately but can't quite get them both to work together. i have a 9400gt nvidia card	17:55
n0yd	cat /proc/cpu	17:55
hs_	anyone here know by unity-greeter logo position ?	17:55
n0yd	woops	17:55
n0yd	its /proc/cpuinfo	17:55
Strucker	bekks: AMD 6620G 3500 RADEON..	17:55
n0yd	Strucker, ^^^	17:55
n0yd	though the info you gave should be enough	17:56
bekks	Strucker: Thats a graphics card.	17:56
bekks	Strucker: Whats your CPU?	17:56
KyouReeus4nfo	before you make a bootable copy make sure it boots in virtualbox	17:56
n0yd	Strucker, cat /proc/cpuinfo then copy and pasdtew the output to pastebin.com	17:56
adamk	Strucker: Seriously, check your BIOS to see if there's an option to enable VT support. If not, you can only run a 32-bit OS in vmware or virtualbox.	17:56
n0yd	KyouReeus4nfo, what is the copy of?	17:56
KyouReeus4nfo	copy * OS	17:57
handuel	n0yd: so have you installed all the build-deps for gimp or not?	17:57
n0yd	Just curious. Cause obviously booting a distro in a VM doesn't do a lot of good in some sense (like hardware support) because a VM isn't emulating anywhere near the same hardware as your actual machine	17:57
n0yd	handuel, sure have	17:57
bekks	n0yd: a virtual machine virtualizes, it doesnt emulate ;)	17:58
Gape2	latovitz: Did you try going to nvidia settings and enabling both displays with splitview?	17:58
n0yd	bekks, I know	17:58
hs_	anyone here know by unity-greeter logo positioning ?	17:58
bekks	n0yd: You just mixed it up :o)	17:58
n0yd	But the hardware may not be the some	17:58
Gape2	Hello, I had ubuntu 12.10 and Windows 8 on uefi dual boot. It worked well until I upgrade to ubuntu 13.04 and now I'm unable to boot into ubuntu (it's gone from uefi boot list)	17:58
bekks	n0yd: And thats not even a requirement for a vm.	17:58
handuel	n0yd: kk, just checking, I'm not trying to patronise, it's just I'm afraid not a noob doesn't tell us much. You get 12 year olds that think their einstein bragging about how amazing at computers they are, who make the most simplest of errors	17:58
handuel	quite clearly you're not one of them but...	17:59
handuel	you could've been	17:59
demonic	aawoods: hi there	17:59
hs_	gape2 any error massege ?	17:59
latovitz	Gape2: any idea how can i get to the nvidia settings? i've tried to detect both displays via the "Display" in the system settings	17:59
n0yd	handuel, ya Ive installed all thge deps l.isted in the guides/documentation manually, and also used an entire buildscript they have on their git	17:59
Strucker	bekks: adamk: n0yd: http://pastebin.com/XfgbzpeR	17:59
n0yd	The script looks and grabs the deps accordingly	17:59
Gape2	latovitz: Well search in unity. You need nvidia drivers though. I rarely use ubuntu lately so i forgot where to install them though.	18:00
bekks	Strucker: you have an AMD A8-3500M	18:00
demonic	hi	18:00
Strucker	bekks: I know..	18:00
n0yd	Strucker, lol which he already said	18:00
n0yd	And someone told him that was only a gpu	18:00
bekks	Strucker: Then why didnt you tell us?	18:00
n0yd	hes using a APU :P	18:00
Gape2	hs_: Well it upgraded without any problems, now I just can't select ubuntu to boot, only option is windows 8. Nothing happens if i use sata boot	18:00
n0yd	bekks, he DID tell us :P	18:00
handuel	n0yd: but have you actually sudo apt-get build-dep gimp, it's always worth a try on top of doing it manually	18:00
adamk	Strucker: Last time I'm going to say this: Check the BIOS for virtualization support.	18:00
bekks	n0yd: No... He told us which GPU he is using.	18:00
n0yd	bekks, actually he told up both	18:01
Strucker	I have to check my computer's BIOS?	18:01
n0yd	AMD 3500	18:01
bekks	Strucker: Yes.	18:01
Strucker	OK..	18:01
n0yd	AMD 6620G 3500 RADEON	18:01
n0yd	He doesnt need to go to bios	18:01
hs_	gapes2 no clue sorry.	18:01
n0yd	He pasted the output from cpuinfo in proc	18:01
n0yd	Into pastebin	18:02
bekks	n0yd: So you do know that his bios actaully has this option?	18:02
n0yd	I thought youy were telling him to get the cpu info from his bios	18:02
n0yd	If not, sorry. I misunderstood	18:02
RayS	so I just did something stupid, I increased the file handles in limints.conf and I must have set a value too high as now I can't ssh into the box. anything I can do to get in?	18:02
bekks	n0yd: then you are free to take over this ticket. Thank you.	18:02
latovitz	Gape2: is unity the small textbox that pops when i click alt? and i think the drivers did download, as i see the nvidia driver through the "additional drivers" option	18:02
KyouReeus4nfo	while you are chilling --- mplayer -cache 4098 72.10.173.77:8899	18:02
n0yd	bekks, ticket? you guys take this way to seriously	18:02
n0yd	lmao	18:02
RayS	*limits.conf	18:03
daftykins	n0yd: hah, 'tis called humour!	18:03
n0yd	All I was commenting on was while yes, he did first write the GPU info	18:03
bekks	Strucker: You created the vm as 32bit, not as 64bit, thats what I am suspecting after getting the answer wether virtualization is enabled in you bios.	18:03
bekks	n0yd: Setting you to ignore, it will avoid pretty much noise in here. Good luck.	18:03
n0yd	daftykins, around here, support burnout is quite common. Heck, its quite visibile not just on this channel, but ##linux and tons of others ;)	18:03
n0yd	bekks, umm ok?	18:04
n0yd	Sorry for trying to help. I'll make sure to never again	18:04
Gape2	latovitz: probably, you can also click on the icon in the top left of the screen	18:04
Strucker	bekks: Ok. Can I change that or Should I reinstall the VM?	18:04
bekks	Strucker: What does your bios tell?	18:04
latovitz	Gape2: thx alot, will try to figure it out.	18:04
KyouReeus4nfo	if this channels are supposed to be quiet then it defeats the purpose developing it just saying	18:04
Strucker	I have to restart my PC to see it.	18:05
KyouReeus4nfo	these*	18:05
bekks	Strucker: Then do it.	18:05
n0yd	And don't pull that childish "setting you to ignore crap". If you are gonna put me or anyone else on ignore, just due it. There is no reason to state your action of ignoring. It just seeks attention. irc-ettiquette	18:05
n0yd	do it*	18:05
Strucker	bekks: I come back later. Thank you..	18:05
bazhang	n0yd, lets move on	18:05
n0yd	bazhang, i have	18:05
n0yd	Not sure what his issue was in the first placwe	18:05
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Strucker	n0yd: Thank you.	18:06
handuel	n0yd: but have you actually sudo apt-get build-dep gimp, it's always worth a try on top of doing it manually	18:06
n0yd	no problem	18:06
adamk	Strucker: Did you actally check the BIOS?	18:06
n0yd	handuel, heh. I was actually just typijng my reply to you	18:06
trism	handuel: the issue is he'll need at least a new babl/gegl and glib if he's on raring	18:07
handuel	n0yd, ah sos, I thought it might have got missed amongst the 5 other guys your talking to	18:07
KyouReeus4nfo	Anyone interested in developing ShoutCast plugin for Rhythmbox?	18:07
Strucker	adamk: Nope. I will check and see the VM configuration again.	18:07
_DomY-Dom	Hey, when using the "dd" tool on Linux, does the flashdrive you are burning the iso on have to have a partition or just have unallocated space?	18:07
handuel	trism: ah, he'll have fun breaking stuff then, this is a toughy	18:07
n0yd	Yes, I have. And the are all covered. But one issue with using an dpkg/apt tool for something like this, im sure you know, is that development builds (especially from git/svn/bzr/cvs etc) may have different deps then	18:08
n0yd	And different dep versions, obviously	18:08
n0yd	trism, the first thing I did was build babl and gegl from scratch	18:08
JediUnixMaster	Morning - Its been 8 yrs since I've done this stuff….. I did a sudo useradd -d /home/nodejs -m nodejs, I forgot and forget how to setup for default user directories to be installed. I've ssh in to the new nodes user and lout doesn't work lol	18:08
n0yd	And they build fine. Gimp does not	18:08
JediUnixMaster	err logout	18:09
n0yd	For reference, I've used both of the guides, plus oither documentation from gimp. http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-developer/15280-compile-gimpv2-9-1-for-debian-wheezy-sid	18:09
n0yd	http://www.zanshine.com/blog/stephane-richard/software/2011-10-05/cutting-edge-gimp-in-latest-ubuntu/	18:09
n0yd	(Yes the second guide was first written in 2011, but it was updated like 8 months ago)	18:09
trism	n0yd: I said at least, I don't know what else is broken at the moment	18:09
n0yd	Nothing is "broken" so to speak :)	18:09
n0yd	Everything works	18:09
Gape2	Does Ubuntu default to uefi boot?	18:11
n0yd	handuel, i got it working :)	18:13
* n0yd is happy		18:13
handuel	n0yd: great, sorry I couldn't help	18:13
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n0yd	I just had to install glib to my ~/ then build gimp against that	18:14
n0yd	And point it to the built and installed babl and gegl	18:14
n0yd	Cause it couldnt find them on its not, even though they were installed globally as root	18:15
n0yd	adamk, thanks for the help	18:15
KyouReeus4nfo	Gape2 -- as long as BIOS supports uefi boot, you can change the boot order there and boot from it. I sometimes disable harddrive from boot devices menu just to make sure it is booting from uefi. lol	18:15
n0yd	You made me rack my brain enough to doublecheck things, and install glib manually	18:15
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Guest77168	guys pls help me out with youtube-dl package, it says cant download O.o	18:16
n0yd	KyouReeus4nfo, I was gonna answer him also, but he left before anyone could answer	18:16
Pici	n0yd: sorry we couldn't be more helpful. This channel isn't really intended for people trying to install things from source.	18:16
Pici	At least not normally.	18:16
Pici	Guest77168: What release of Ubuntu are you using?	18:16
Guest77168	12.04	18:17
Guest77168	Pici, ^	18:17
imajeff	Hi all, I just can't see how to get my hi res back on my external monitor. It was detected last week	18:17
Pici	Guest77168: The package won't download or youtube-dl won't download any videos>?	18:17
Guest77168	Pici, ERROR: unable to download video	18:17
Guest77168	this is what it says	18:17
kj6psg	imajeff, you have the proper drivers?	18:17
imajeff	I have everything same as last week when it worked except I've seen some updates	18:18
imajeff	it's 13.04	18:18
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Guest77168	Pici, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711004/	18:18
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n0yd	Pici, I know. Sadfly its not really intended for anything more than the typical new user issues most of the time. It's my biggest gripe with the channel and has been for years. This channel just isnt very useful for indepth or more complex issues. And that isn't a rant, I am genuinely just speaking my opinion. Because I think would it would be awesome if there was another channel just for the more complex issues and the complex-use stuff one might come	18:19
n0yd	across in ubuntu. Something like ##linux, but specifically for ubuntu users.	18:19
KyouReeus4nfo	Can anyone point me to a channel for gateway to gateway IPSEC?	18:19
Pici	Guest77168: Its possible that youtube-dl isn't working on that release, there have been issues in the past with it being unable to cope with Google API changes. I personally have been using cclive for a while and haven't had any issues with it.	18:19
imajeff	Now always shows external monitor is "Unknown", and only two resolutions	18:19
n0yd	Pici, I think that would be awesome. And it w0oulkd be of great help to Ubuntu users that want to delve deeper into their system and learn the more complex stuff	18:20
Pici	n0yd: noted. I'll see about adding it to the next IRC Council meeting, can't hurt to have a discussion about it.	18:20
Guest77168	package name is? Pici	18:20
Pici	Guest77168: cclive is the package name	18:20
n0yd	Pici, I brought it up before at the boston loco meetings 4-5 years back. So we kinda just made the loco channel an #ubuntu-advanced channel for us	18:21
Ntemis	anyone here to help me?	18:21
Ntemis	i am deleting a lot of gb from trash	18:22
Gape2	Does boot repair work for uefi boot?	18:22
Guest77168	is there documentation page for cclive? Pici	18:22
Ntemis	all i have is a white box written file operations and inside there is nothing	18:22
Ntemis	i cant kill it	18:22
foofoobar	Hi. So I have only 25% of my RAM used and I have set swappiness to 10. However, I have a swap spaced used of 116MB (shows gnome-system-monitor)	18:22
foofoobar	how could that be?	18:22
Ntemis	i cant manually delete trash items	18:22
Pici	Guest77168: man cclive	18:22
gordonjcp	foofoobar: because some stuff gets swapped out anyway	18:22
Guest77168	haha ok thanks Pici	18:22
foofoobar	gordonjcp: Why? And what for stuff?	18:23
gordonjcp	foofoobar: it's not really something you need to care about	18:23
handuel	Ntemis, drop to a command line and kill nautilus: killall -9 nautilus	18:23
foofoobar	gordonjcp: I was just wondering why I hear my HDD working	18:23
Guest77168	Pici, which all streaming sites it covers?	18:23
Ntemis	ha	18:23
n0yd	Actually, thats a great name, #ubuntu-advanced. We already have #ubuntu+1 which I know is for the upcoming release, but it does have some more technical issues (Makes sense, more complex bugs) And channels like #ubuntu-gnome also tend to have people answering complex issues. So I think something like #ubuntu-advanced would be perfect :)	18:23
Ntemis	it crashed	18:23
foofoobar	even if I set the swappiness to such a low value	18:23
gordonjcp	foofoobar: you can quite happily live without swap - and if you're using a solid state disk you should ;-)	18:23
n0yd	Pici, is there maybe someone/somewhere I can voice such an idea too?	18:23
Ntemis	Sorry ubuntu 12.04 epx internal error blah blah	18:23
DJT	hi alll	18:23
foofoobar	gordonjcp: I am using a ssd, but how should I live without swap?	18:24
KyouReeus4nfo	Normally n00bs know that they are n00bs and most who want to keep learning don't mind it, so segregate channels like ubuntu-novice-users, ubuntu-advanced-users, ubuntu-novice-developers and ubuntu-advanced-developers. I will join them all and so will all n00bs which will be redundant, won't it be?	18:24
gordonjcp	foofoobar: just turn it off	18:24
handuel	Ntemis: then to empty trash from terminal rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/files	18:24
DJT	is srting.h natively installed on ubuntu?	18:24
foofoobar	gordonjcp: and what happens for the things which would be put in the swap?	18:24
n0yd	KyouReeus4nfo, wow, thats even better	18:24
gordonjcp	foofoobar: they will be kept in RAM	18:24
cuthbeorht	how much room should i leave on my hdd for an ubuntu install for a developper?	18:24
foofoobar	gordonjcp: and what happens if I run out of RAM?	18:24
gordonjcp	foofoobar: bad stuff happens	18:25
Pici	Guest77168: cclive --suport	18:25
n0yd	Of course still have this channel, as its the one most new users are going to automatically visit	18:25
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foofoobar	gordonjcp: so I better not deactivate the swap?!	18:25
gordonjcp	foofoobar: well if you are using an SSD you want to minimise the number of writes, so swapping to SSD is a bad idea	18:25
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n0yd	Lots of people aren't going to automatically try to join a channel labeled as their experience level. But its a great idea, and I think the people that need them will seek them out. And there could something in the wiki article on IRC about it	18:26
gordonjcp	foofoobar: at worst you'll just get stuff being killed and restarted	18:26
foofoobar	gordonjcp: / is on SSD, /home and my swap are on HDD	18:26
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gordonjcp	foofoobar: oh okay, that's fine then	18:26
gordonjcp	foofoobar: just leave it, it's working	18:26
foofoobar	gordonjcp: I had the swap on my SSD	18:26
gordonjcp	foofoobar: if it works don't fix it ;-)	18:26
foofoobar	and had a strange crash tomorrow	18:26
jamescarr	how can I get the codename without the Codename: part?	18:26
jamescarr	from lsb -c	18:26
foofoobar	so I switched the swap to the hdd	18:26
n0yd	KyouReeus4nfo, Are you gonna join those channels? Im gonna join+idle, and help out where I can. I really believe that is an excellent idea	18:26
foofoobar	gordonjcp: Whats happening that a swap on a ssd is so bad?	18:27
gordonjcp	foofoobar: masses and masses of writes	18:27
jamescarr	I got it	18:27
jamescarr	thank you and GOODBYE	18:27
gwinbee	foofoobar: you can only write to an SSD so many times	18:27
Pici	n0yd: You can put an entry on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal and I'll see that it gets presented during the meeting.	18:27
foofoobar	gordonjcp, gwinbee: so a lot of new notebooks only have an ssd integrated. How do they handle a swap partition?	18:28
Kanna	Looking to replace a laptop with an android tablet for college, nice idea no?	18:28
gordonjcp	foofoobar: they generally don't	18:28
Kanna	Android tablet -> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nextbook-7-Tablet-with-Google-Play/22127002	18:28
Kanna	That's going to be the replacement of the laptop.	18:29
gordonjcp	foofoobar: computers have ridiculous amounts of RAM these days	18:29
KyouReeus4nfo	BTW, while I am thinking about developing ShoutCast plugin, one can bulk-add internet stations in a text or a CSV file. Make sure URL starts with http://. If you google "ShoutCast Administrator"":8000/"-html you should find plenty of URLs to work with. Or just go to internet-radio.com. :-P	18:29
handuel	I just went and created an ubuntu advanced channel (##ubuntu-advanced), but it sounds like someones already done that :(, n0yd seems to be talkinb about it, you should start the name with a double hash though, as it isn't an official channel	18:29
Kanna	Good for college? What do you folks think?	18:29
n0yd	Pici, awesome, thanks for the link. Also, I really meant no harm in anything I said earlier. It's just a common complaint from me and other people (I have heard similar complaints about trying to obtain more complex help from this channel)	18:29
n0yd	handuel, I already created them	18:29
n0yd	On #	18:29
gordonjcp	foofoobar: even a fairly inexpensive laptop might have hundreds of megabytes of RAM ;-)	18:29
n0yd	Because they would be official if it gets approved	18:29
handuel	n0yd: I thought so, I left the convo when I made it and missed you saying so	18:29
handuel	n0yd: oh well it can't do in harm in just existing	18:30
n0yd	And while yes, at the moment the are technbically unofficial, I'd rather just have one channel, so we dont have to confuse anyone later by switching	18:30
n0yd	handuel, ya no harm done	18:30
foofoobar	gordonjcp: so why is my sytem putting things on my swap when I still have 3gigs of RAM free?	18:30
n0yd	I could even have the # ones forward to ##	18:30
JediUnixMaster	I did a adducer, then ssh in and the prompt is wrong, I can't source a .bash_aliases file I vi'd, I can't logout ,,,,, what did i not do?	18:31
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handuel	n0yd: that might be a plan, I've not create a ##-novcie one yet, but I may, I'll op you on advanced anyway, just in case it gets used	18:32
kiko_	hi	18:32
handuel	n0yd: oh you have to be joined to gain op	18:32
Kanna	Android tablet or Laptop which one is better for college?	18:32
gordonjcp	foofoobar: various reasons	18:32
JediUnixMaster	anyone?	18:32
n0yd	ok, I made # for advanced and novice, and am registewring them now	18:32
KyouReeus4nfo	Kanna, use the lab in college	18:33
handuel	Is there a way of removing irc channels, or do they just hang around	18:33
n0yd	handuel, preferably, they should be setup without auto-oping, per the freenode prefered channel guidelines. So if an op needs op, they op themselves via chanserv	18:33
n0yd	handuel, if its registered, you can de-reg them I believe	18:33
n0yd	if not via chanserv, then by asking a staff.	18:33
handuel	n0yd: I'll go and look at the chanserv help	18:34
n0yd	If its not registered, it will disappear after everyone leaves	18:34
JediUnixMaster	Is this the wrong channel to be asking adducer questions?	18:34
n0yd	JediUnixMaster, not at all	18:34
JediUnixMaster	ok, so I did a adducer, then ssh in and the prompt is wrong, I can't source a .bash_aliases file I vi'd, I can't logout ,,,,, what did i not do?	18:34
n0yd	if its on ubuntu, then yes	18:34
n0yd	sounds like you didnt setup the ~/ correctly. Liuke permissions and thingsx	18:35
Eagleman	Is there something like Clonezilla but then for online usage ( instead of taking the machine offline and run clonezilla ), its comparable with windows backup	18:35
handuel	n0yd: there we go, should be gone now	18:36
bekks	Eagleman: Windows BAckup cant create images like Clonezilla.	18:36
n0yd	handuel, oh ok, you are gonna transfer over to the single #?	18:36
bekks	Eagleman: And for image creation, you need to offline the system, for ensuring to have an consistent image.	18:36
n0yd	If so, I wont set an forward.	18:36
Eagleman	bekks, it can, it created a virtual harddisk which is the same like an image, i can restore it with the windows "livecd"	18:36
JediUnixMaster	nOyd I did a sudo useradd -d /home/nodejs -m nodejs	18:36
handuel	n0yd: no don't set a forward, I will transfer over, the channel is completely gone	18:36
n0yd	handuel, feel free to join #ubuntu-advanced-users and #ubuntu-novice-users	18:36
n0yd	JediUnixMaster, ya do this	18:36
n0yd	instead of useradd, use the adduser script	18:37
n0yd	It sets everything up for you	18:37
JediUnixMaster	ah, ok, cool,, thank u very much :)	18:37
n0yd	So just remove the user and redd using the adduser script	18:37
n0yd	no problem :)	18:37
bekks	Eagleman: Nope, it isnt. It isnt a consistent 1:1 image.	18:37
n0yd	JediUnixMaster, I just use useradd for moidifying an user, like adding him tyo groups and such	18:37
JediUnixMaster	how do i logout with that user,,,,logout doesn't work lol	18:38
Eagleman	bekks, hmm not sure then, but last time my machine crashed and i used the backup to restore i had everything running, which is what i want in linux	18:38
JediUnixMaster	nOyd how do i logout with that user,,,,logout doesn't work lol	18:38
luigi	I demand wireless usb	18:39
luigi	Please implement this	18:39
JediUnixMaster	nevermind, exit worked	18:39
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Eagleman	bekks, after my server crashes i want it up as fast as possible, and i dont want to take my server down once a week to run clonezilla, it should be automatic	18:41
luigi	Eagleman: Virtualize that server and use snapshots	18:41
Eagleman	luigi, it already is, but when my server exploded snapshots are not usefull at all	18:42
Eagleman	everything will be gone	18:42
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Eagleman	explodes	18:42
luigi	Eagleman: Backup the snaphosts	18:42
bekks	Eagleman: Then save your backup somewhere else, and not on the same server.	18:42
Eagleman	luigi, snapshots dont work that way	18:42
luigi	Eagleman: They do if you're using something like ESXi	18:42
Eagleman	bekks, i will, i am using rackspace, but i need a program for my needs	18:42
bekks	Eagleman: Snapshots are for backing them up. Snapshots themselfs are not considered to be valid backups.	18:43
luigi	Eagleman: What's your virtualization solution?	18:43
n0yd	handuel, where'd you go? :P	18:43
Eagleman	luigi, snapshots only record data that changed since the last snapshot, if i backup a snapshot of about 100MB ( 100mb changed ) i am unable to restore my server out of the 100mb	18:43
handuel	n0yd: sos, had to restart xchat	18:43
bekks	Eagleman: Either on ESX, ESXi, ZFS and other filesystems that support snapshots, they work that way. You have to back them up to have valid backups.	18:43
handuel	w8, I'll join again	18:43
luigi	Eagleman: That's why you backup the entire base set of snaps and the snap itself	18:44
luigi	Eagleman: Which will, in the end, result in a differential backup scheme where you are only copying over that 100mb after every snap	18:44
ps1quiKo	ola k asei	18:44
bekks	Eagleman: You should consider a different backup strategy :)	18:44
luigi	Eagleman: All of the snapshot chain still resides on another server and you can restore from the whole chain	18:44
Eagleman	luigi, not sure how to do that at all on esxi	18:47
Eagleman	and i only have one server	18:47
luigi	Eagleman: Are you using like, Vmware vSPhere manager?	18:47
Eagleman	luigi, this is for home	18:47
JediUnixMaster	when i ssh into my machine, i want my aliases to work,,,,,,What file should I put them In ???	18:48
luigi	Eagleman: You just enable ssh access and create an rsync job from another machine	18:48
ssfdre38	do you know where the bzip2 source is located at?	18:48
luigi	JediUnixMaster: probably ~/.bashrc	18:48
Eagleman	luigi, and when data changed inside the vmdk file, which will when it is online	18:48
Eagleman	during the rsync job	18:48
luigi	JediUnixMaster: You have to copy it over to the server you're ssh'ing to	18:48
luigi	Eagleman: Ignore vmdk	18:48
bekks	Eagleman: There are plenty of backup solutions for ESXi, that work with snapshots.	18:48
Anxi80	Alright I have a fresh install of 13.04 which used an MD5 checked installer. I have experienced 4 crashes in the last two hours. What is the best way to signal this issue to the appropriate people?	18:49
JediUnixMaster	ok, thank u	18:49
bekks	Eagleman: Even solutions using CBR.	18:49
luigi	Eagleman: Only copy snapshots and persistent drive changes	18:49
TeamRocket1233c	Anyone having problems with FF Nightly not updating?	18:49
luigi	Eagleman: Or listen to bekks and use a darn 3rd party plugin like everyone else does	18:49
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JediUnixMaster	luigi nope, its not reading the .bashrc when i ssh in	18:52
JediUnixMaster	let me try .profie	18:53
luigi	JediUnixMaster: It's not reading the bashrc on the remote machine when you log in to the remote machine?	18:53
JediUnixMaster	luigi: no sir	18:53
luigi	JediUnixMaster: Are you using bash?	18:54
JediUnixMaster	let me chk	18:54
luigi	JediUnixMaster: echo $SHELL after you've ssh'd in	18:54
JediUnixMaster	i which sh and got /bin/sh	18:55
JediUnixMaster	AH HAH	18:55
luigi	JediUnixMaster: which sh will always return /bin/sh	18:55
eoo	how come my theme doesnt work on many applications	18:55
eoo	but only on system ones	18:55
eoo	(ie synaptic	18:55
TheMoonMan	Hi all, can anyone tell me how I can gain root permissions so I can edit a file in the usr/ directory.	18:55
JediUnixMaster	O	18:55
JediUnixMaster	:)	18:55
luigi	JediUnixMaster: Unless you have some crazy path and strange binaries	18:55
luigi	JediUnixMaster: echo $SHELL	18:55
luigi	TheMoonMan: sudo <command>	18:55
JediUnixMaster	yep its /bin/bash	18:55
luigi	eoo: Your theme has been applied to the root user, most likely	18:55
TheMoonMan	How do I open a file using the sudo terminal command?	18:56
TheMoonMan	never used linux before.	18:56
luigi	JediUnixMaster: Try adding aliases to ~/.bash_profile	18:56
luigi	TheMoonMan: Try sudo nano <file>	18:56
eoo	<TheMoonMan:	18:56
TheMoonMan	ty	18:56
eoo	TheMoonMan: use gksudo	18:56
JediUnixMaster	ok luigi let me try that	18:56
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luigi	eoo: He only needs gksudo for graphical applications	18:56
eoo	luigi: a new user won't be good with nano	18:57
luigi	eoo: It's like notepad	18:57
luigi	eoo: But you're right, gedit would be better	18:57
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psiklops_	Hi. I am building the a custom 3.9.4 Kernel. I was told that Ubuntus 3.9.x Kernel includes Module for RTL2832U.	18:57
luigi	TheMoonMan: If you want an easier program to edit with, use gedit like 'gksudo gedit <file>'	18:57
JediUnixMaster	luigi: YES,, That worked luigi many thx	18:58
JediUnixMaster	so its the same as a mac	18:58
luigi	JediUnixMaster: It's very similar	18:58
psiklops_	Would it be possible to paste the .config for this for me please ?	18:58
psiklops_	So i may take a look on how it was done	18:59
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JediUnixMaster	luigi: Would you suggest that I dump the .bashrc script contents into the .bash_profile???	18:59
JediUnixMaster	it the standard .bashrc that came with the install	18:59
luigi	JediUnixMaster: Well... Both files are supposed to be used for different things. One is for interactive shells, the other is for login shells. The distinction is a little strange to most users	19:00
JediUnixMaster	12.04	19:00
JediUnixMaster	its certainly strange to me	19:00
luigi	JediUnixMaster: I would source .bashrc from .bash_profile	19:00
eoo	luigi:i moved the themes to ~/.local/share/themes	19:00
Anxi80	Where is a good place to store hardware driver binaries in 13.04?	19:00
JediUnixMaster	good idea	19:00
eoo	still doesnt work	19:00
luigi	JediUnixMaster: So .bash_profile has only one line that is: [[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc	19:00
JediUnixMaster	luigi: awesome ill do that	19:01
eoo	luigi: what else can i do. My theme works with nemo and synaptic but not with xchat or fireofx	19:02
luigi	eoo: I'm not really sure	19:02
luigi	eoo: Sorry :/	19:02
sobhy	hi	19:04
doctor_dennis	haha, hi	19:04
carnau	Hi there, since a cuple of days the ubuntu loading screen has low graphics(the one with lilac color). Is there anything I can do to fix it? Thanks	19:04
adamgolding	what's the difference between "OEM install (for manafacturers)" and the 'normal' install method?	19:04
carnau	adamgolding, OEM is for Companies to install on many computers at once without having to manually type out the initial info.	19:05
elisa87	I have a problem regarding the mounted disk image. Can you please take a look at here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711162/ why the file I have copied here can't be shown by ls?	19:05
JediUnixMaster	luigi: YEP COOL that works nicely, thank you for your time :D	19:05
luigi	JediUnixMaster: No problem dude!	19:06
luigi	And what is up with the Floodbots today...	19:06
carnau	elisa87, why are you putting that 64 and 2 in the sentence?	19:07
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elisa87	I wanted to run that binary with its run arguments carnau	19:07
elisa87	anyway it can't even ls the normal binary saying it doesn't exist?~!? carnau	19:07
carnau	elisa87, if you want to run a binary, then don't use ls at first, because then 64 and 2 are parameters of ls, not of the backprop binary	19:08
carnau	elisa87, you can do: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/backprop 64 2	19:09
Corey	elisa87: You can ls the binary, or you can execute it. You cannot do both as a part of the same command. :-)	19:09
elisa87	Corey: it realizes the ls jalal@mona:/research/jalal/gem5/gem5-stable/system/x86/disks$ sudo ls /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/backprop	19:10
elisa87	/mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/backprop	19:10
elisa87		19:10
Corey	elisa87: Right?	19:10
Corey	elisa87: I fail to see the problem so far. :-)	19:10
luigi	elisa87: You cannot run commands as just 'command' unless the path leading up to that command is in your environment variable called PATH	19:11
elisa87	Corey: when I am running it in the simulator it says: /tmp/script: line 3: cd: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory	19:11
luigi	elisa87: Look at echo $PATH	19:11
TheMoonMan	luigi how do I save the file after I am done editing it with nano.	19:12
luigi	TheMoonMan: Ctrl+O	19:12
TheMoonMan	and after that do I want to save it in dos format?	19:12
luigi	Do you?	19:12
TheMoonMan	it was a .conf file.	19:13
TheMoonMan	but there is no option just to save.	19:13
luigi	Then probably not	19:13
luigi	Don't save in dos format	19:13
TheMoonMan	would I change the prefix and then put .conf?	19:14
luigi	TheMoonMan: How would I know unless you gave me more information about what you're saving, and to where?	19:14
luigi	TheMoonMan: You can save to full paths by Ctrl+O and typing out the full path/filename	19:15
luigi	TheMoonMan: Then hit enter	19:15
TheMoonMan	I'm editing a ushare.conf file in the usr/etc directory. I just want to save it. Don't want to change the file format or anything.	19:15
luigi	Ctrl+O and type /usr/etc/ushare.conf	19:16
luigi	Then hit enter	19:16
bekks	TheMoonMan: then you have to use sudo nano to do so.	19:16
luigi	TheMoonMan: Oh, yeah, did you use sudo?	19:16
TheMoonMan	yes I have done that. Then it is asking me what format I want to save it as. It has no option for .conf.	19:16
luigi	TheMoonMan: Save it in unix format	19:17
luigi	TheMoonMan: What are the options for the format?	19:17
luigi	TheMoonMan: The exact message would be helpful	19:17
TheMoonMan	ahhhh sorry. my fault. just had to click enter a second time.	19:17
luigi	No problem!	19:17
TheMoonMan	thanks for the help:)	19:17
luigi	Glad it worked out in the end	19:17
elisa87	luigi: what do you mean?	19:18
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elisa87	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711220/ luigi	19:18
luigi	elisa87: Exactly what I said. If you specify at what point you got confused, I can elaborate more on that specific part	19:18
luigi	elisa87: Nice PATH	19:19
elisa87	luigi: I got what you said but didn't get the relation to the problem. Do you why the simulator can't find the binary I have copied to the disk image after it boots the disk successfully?	19:19
TheMoonMan	also one more question if you don't mind. I want to play audio via a HDMI output. But when I plug in the HDMI cable and go onto sound outputs via the GUI it has no option for HDMI. Would I be able to install a driver to allow me to use the hdmi as an output and how would I go about doing it in Ubuntu?	19:20
luigi	elisa87: What exact command are you using to invoke the binary?	19:20
elisa87	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711229/	19:20
elisa87	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711229/ luigi	19:20
luigi	TheMoonMan: That sounds like a pulseaudio issue, though people here will probably help you. The driver should already be included to do that, it's just a matter of configuring your audio system to play out the HDMI	19:21
BluesKaj	TheMoonMan, make sure you graphics card driver is up to date as well as your soundcard driver	19:21
luigi	elisa87: What error happens at line 11?	19:21
elisa87	luigi: here's the error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711235/	19:21
BluesKaj	TheMoonMan, also install pavucontriol in order to give options for audioi to hdmi outputs	19:22
luigi	elisa87: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory is the problem. What user are you running this script as?	19:22
TheMoonMan	If the drivers were already installed. Would it just be a matter of right clicking the speaker icon and going onto audio outputs?	19:22
luigi	TheMoonMan: Sadly, no. There are many things between you and the device the driver creates. You need a tool like pavucontrol like BluesKaj suggested to configure the HDMI out	19:23
luigi	elisa87: It might be that only root may cd into /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/	19:24
TheMoonMan	Ok thanks both of you. I'll try installing it.	19:24
luigi	TheMoonMan: With any luck, it'll show up under input devices in that program	19:24
elisa87	luigi: maybe but what's the solution? should I use sudo chmod 777 backprop for the backprop binary?	19:24
binaryflow	Hello everyone! I am running mysql workbench and have imported a rather large database (# of tables, not amount of data). When I try to view the tables in the workbench it crunches forever and never finishes refreshing the data. Has anyone seen that before?	19:24
Chris_W	hello. can anyone help me out here. Im having an issue between to computers, when I transfer between the two using the CP command the file sizes are different.	19:24
luigi	elisa87: sudo chmod a+rwX /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/	19:25
nmbro	hey guys - I want to add users to my ubuntu box from a web interface - but I'm struggling with finding the best way to do so; I can't seem to make "www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/adduser --home /www/customers/[[0-9a-z.-]]+ --shell /sbin/nologin --disabled-password --disabled-login [[0-9a-z.-]]+" in sudoers work :-\	19:25
binaryflow	Latest ubuntu running on a Latitude E5420 with 8 gb ram.	19:25
luigi	elisa87: Though this means ANYONE can access that folder	19:25
binaryflow	I've got plenty of resources.	19:25
bekks	binaryflow: Yeah. Throw away those graphical tools. :)	19:25
binaryflow	Oh, and I'm running mysql-server locally.	19:25
MonkeyDust	nmbro ask in #bash	19:25
elisa87	luigi: that's ok :P	19:25
binaryflow	bekks: lol, really? Mysql Workbench can't handle it?	19:25
luigi	binaryflow: The GUI tools for MySQL are horrible and slow	19:25
nmbro	thx MonkeyDust	19:26
bekks	binaryflow: Those tools arent designed to do it. No one of it. Things like "let me see all tables, cause I like it scrolling" - dont do it :)	19:26
binaryflow	Ok, I might have to brush up on my mysql command line-fu then.	19:26
binaryflow	It's been awhile.	19:26
luigi	elisa87: Might want to ls -l that folder and tell me that the permissions string was before you chmod	19:26
binaryflow	Thanks!	19:27
luigi	elisa87: Would look something like 'drwxr-xr-x'	19:27
luigi	elisa87: So ls -l /mnt and give me the permission string for rodinia_benchmarks	19:28
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Blaze_Boy	on my HP ProBook 4540s, installed windows8 and ubuntu 13.04 (GRUB2), when entering GRUB2 console and execute "usb" it doesn't list the usb flash stick, any ideas why?	19:31
elisa87	luigi: even with sudo chmod 777 backprop I am receiving this error after the disk image boots by the simulator /tmp/script: line 3: cd: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory	19:31
belfast	quit	19:32
bekks	elisa87: Then that directory does not exist.	19:33
=== BadLarry_ is now known as BadLarry
TheMoonMan	In the PAV control my HDMI output is appearing but when I set it up to use it as an output for audio none is getting through. Would that probably be a driver issue?	19:34
shmoolUbun	how can i change the icon of an application in the unity dock	19:36
shmoolUbun	?	19:36
aFeijo	ubuntu 13.04 changed the file browser Connect to Server option, how can I set a different ssh port ?	19:36
nysosym	hi there	19:36
bekks	aFeijo: servername:otherport	19:37
aFeijo	bekks, thanks, I'll test it	19:37
aFeijo	great!!!	19:37
elisa87	luigi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711287/ here's the ls -l /mnt output	19:37
balrog-k1n	is there a standard place where the network manager / modem manager puts its logs so i could see why a 3G connection is failing?	19:38
Blaze_Boy	what is the best channel to ask about GRUB2 ?, tried #grub but it is inactive, anyother related channels ?	19:38
elisa87	bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711287/	19:40
mrsquizzles	squizzle	19:40
mrsquizzles	linux stinks	19:41
shmoolUbun	?	19:44
shmoolUbun	how can i change the icon of an application in the unity dock	19:44
shmoolUbun	?	19:44
elisa87	hey do you know why after the simulator boots the disk image it cannot cd to /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks while it is in here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711287/ the simulator gives me this error: /tmp/script: line 3: cd: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory	19:44
leonardo_	e ai povo	19:45
leonardo_	to precisando de uma força aqui	19:45
Pici	!br \| leonardo_	19:46
ubottu	leonardo_: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada.	19:46
mirage_	@ shmoolUbun : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb5Ue2XKiE8 good luck	19:46
w201	shmoolUbun: I think one way is creating your own icon and editing the configuration files located somewhere on your system, I'm not sure where you can find them	19:46
MonkeyDust	shmoolUbun in the application's .desktop file	19:47
hexacode	anyone know if theres a way for inverted selection in bash? for example, when you go 'rm ' you remove all files since the wildcard, but i need to do something like remove all files not ending in .ini is there something like 'rm * !.ini' ?	19:48
KyouReeus4nfo	Quick question to whoever knows: How do I request higher version of a software (a vulnerable one) in repositories? It's Wireshark BTW. http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-3661	19:49
jrib	hexacode: yes, but it's not enabled by default. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/glob about extended globs	19:49
Corey	hexacode: Nope, I'd use "find" with an exclude...	19:49
Corey	jrib: Oh?	19:49
jrib	Corey: yep, pretty neat and relatively recent addition iirc. On the other hand, zsh has had them for a while ;)	19:50
Corey	jrib: Okay, that'll work, yes, but I'd cheat and use find if someone's uncertain about that. :-)	19:50
hexacode	thanks you guys	19:50
Penorsaurus	I am trying to install svn2git, but it cannot locate the package.	19:51
Penorsaurus	anyone know where I can download/compile it myself?	19:51
leonardo_	guys, a got a problem trying installing ubuntu 12.10 on the side of win7, my grub to select ubuntu doesnt appear, anyone has any suggestion to fix that problem?	19:51
MonkeyDust	KyouReeus4nfo if you want the version of a higher release, try the backports ; if you want a version that is in no repo, use a !PPA - but that's not supported here	19:51
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KyouReeus4nfo	I will try backports, thanks!	19:52
otend	bit of an unusual question	19:53
otend	how can I make an off-brand Xbox 360 controller be recognized as a standard one, so that I can use the drivers for 360 controllers?	19:53
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MonkeyDust	otend how is that ubuntu related?	19:54
otend	it worked out of the box in 12.10's initial incarnation, but it's currently not working	19:54
bazhang	otend, how is this an ubuntu support issue	19:54
otend	I'm asking in the context of Ubuntu how to basically spoof how a device is recognized	19:54
otend	or some such	19:55
otend	the wiki page's advice did not solve my issue, unfortunately	19:55
MonkeyDust	otend and how legal is that?	19:55
alan_	:)	19:56
bazhang	otend, to do what with the xbox controller in ubuntu?	19:56
otend	it should be entirely legal	19:56
otend	basically, to use it as a standard controller, because what I have now is not recognized as one	19:56
otend	it's recognized as a device, but no application is able to use it	19:56
bazhang	for your ubuntu system?	19:56
otend	yes	19:56
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adamxx	So, I could use some help.	20:00
adamxx	Ubuntu 13.10 x64, installing to a WD 150GB Raptor	20:00
adamxx	Installing from USB drive.	20:01
Corey	!ask \| adamxx	20:01
ubottu	adamxx: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience	20:01
adamxx	Lolokay.	20:01
adamxx	Let me start over then.	20:01
Corey	adamxx: Nobody's going to read through 50 lines of lastlog for a problem description.	20:01
adamxx	I get it man.	20:01
Jonathan_	does any one know the command to change mod a file in the terminal konsole	20:02
Corey	Jonathan_: change mod?	20:02
Jonathan_	yes	20:02
adamxx	Installing Ubuntu 13.10 x64 to 150GB drive. Running Asus Sabertooth 990x (has UEFI bios). I created the EFI boot partition like I've found on google. Is there something I'm missing?	20:02
Jonathan_	change mod	20:02
Corey	Jonathan_: You talking about altering permissions?	20:03
adamxx	I've been following this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI, but I'm sure I've done something wrong.	20:03
Jonathan_	yes	20:03
Corey	Jonathan_: chmod	20:03
Corey	Jonathan_: Technically it's "change modes."	20:03
zlude	someone can tell me what is the command that he is running to get the real time traffic? http://www.routehub.net/writeable/editor_uploads//images/social-network-ip.JPG	20:03
=== NePtUnO\|Off is now known as NePtUnO
Corey	zlude: tshark with the proper flags will output a very close display.	20:04
bekks	zlude: Pretty small picture. What is it showing, actually?	20:04
lolek	hello all	20:05
Corey	bekks: Looks like number of connections per host.	20:05
Corey	Otherwise netstat -ant \|grep ESTABLISHED will work.	20:05
Jonathan_	what i am trying to do is make a file executable from the terminal	20:05
adam_m	chmod + x	20:05
adam_m	that should make it executable	20:06
KyouReeus4nfo	Objective: I would like to log into Unity but I have applications currently running in Xfce and I don't want to close them and log out. Is there a way to attain this?	20:06
domi382	chmod +x "filename here"	20:06
lolek	guys I've got a problem with bluetooth, after an hours of sound streaming, I'm unable to connect to the gateway, I need to reboot ubuntu to have the possibility to stream it again...	20:06
zlude	bekks, it is the "traffic monitor" showed in The Social Network movie when Mark see facemash.com traffic. So i'm curious if this command exists.	20:07
lolek	here is the output from syslog	20:07
lolek	http://pastebin.com/cPBdREJA	20:07
DirkCrude	trying to get some help: but i'm a brand new user (like hours new) so if you have the pateints to deal with someone whos practically retarded new i could use some help	20:07
domi382	can somebody help me? i have backtrack 5 and i have installed steam and skype but everytime i restart these 2 programs are gone!	20:08
DirkCrude	i don't know the proper code to enter into the terminal	20:08
bekks	zlude: There are various commands. netstat, iftop, tcpdump, etc.	20:08
yebyen	Should I worry about this:	20:08
yebyen	E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1.	20:08
yebyen	update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-21-generic with 1.	20:08
adamxx	Nevermind.	20:08
domi382	can somebody help me? i have backtrack 5 and i have installed steam and skype but everytime i restart these 2 programs are gone!	20:08
adamxx	I'll ask somewhere else.	20:09
yebyen	looks like an issue relating to pango, i see I still have an initramfs but I'm afraid to reboot	20:09
MonkeyDust	DirkCrude code to do what?	20:09
bekks	!backtrack \| domi382	20:09
ubottu	domi382: There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mint), kali-linux (#kali-linux), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux)	20:09
domi382	ok thx bye	20:09
Pumpkin-	zlude: apachetop is does pretty much what that screenshot looks like it is doing. Check out http://www.fr3nd.net/projects/apache-top/	20:11
hexacode	exit	20:11
ziggyziggy	Hi. Could somebody please tell me how to restart a service on Ubuntu i.e. Plex. Many thanks	20:12
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MonkeyDust	(three days i'm trying to remove tt-rss :-s )	20:13
disputin	sudo /etc/init.d/plexmediaserver restart	20:16
ziggyziggy	wow thankyou very much	20:17
n0yd	Pici, you there by chance?	20:17
DirkCrude	-can anyone help me i had updating problems so i ran apt-get update the apt-get apgrade... with success but i'm still having problem starting my ubuntu os boot up.it runns a dos command starting problems with finding the boot command and goes thru abunch of commands off killing this and that and i have to exit and finially get ubuntu to finially get the os to start. does anyone have a clue uif this is normal.... and one more	20:21
Jonathan_	domi382 thanks alot!!!	20:21
eject_ck	Hi	20:22
DirkCrude	it asks to open a generic version of the ubuntu or a generic recovery page....	20:22
DirkCrude	is this normal??? if anyone can steer me in the right direction	20:23
=== tjbiddle_ is now known as tjbiddle
adam_m	DirkCrude: that sounds like bios problems man	20:23
eject_ck	I need to keep backup for directory ~ 200GB and ~ 1000 000 files inside. Want to keep sync copy. Then do some upgrade, then I need revert all the changes back. Question - what's best tool to do revert fast (compare files)? Rsync / CVS / SVN / Git / other ?	20:24
Amarok_TR	hi	20:24
fully_human	Hello. I made a dumb mistake and manually deleted some python2.7 files. Now whenever I try to apt-get install python2.7 to correct my mistake I get the error: "python2.7: can't open file '/usr/lib/python2.7/py_compile.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory" Any ideas? Thanks.	20:24
adam_m	maybe try looking into changing something in your bios settings. it sounds like its trying to do something else before booting from the disk perhaps.	20:24
DirkCrude	i ran sudo apt-get update (succesfully) then the upgrade (succesfully) is there another step i should do after those commands i should run	20:24
disputin	fully_human sudo apt-get install —reinstall python2.7 (assuming that's the package name)	20:25
fully_human	disputin: Same error.	20:25
DirkCrude	<adam_m>.... is that to me?	20:25
fully_human	disputin: I tried manually downloading the python2.7 package from sourceforge, too...after installing it I got the same result.	20:25
disputin	cd /var/cache/apt/archives/	20:26
adam_m	yes, what happens when you boot up	20:26
DirkCrude	disputin..... is that reply to me me?	20:26
disputin	see if the python package is there and reinstall using dpkg -i python2.7	20:26
zlude	Pumpkin-, I'm trying apachetop but no show nothing.. same with apachetop -f /var/log/apache2/access.log	20:26
disputin	dirkcrude no it's for fully_human	20:26
zlude	:/	20:26
adam_m	DirkCrude: what happens when you boot up again	20:26
DirkCrude	adam m...........it runs a bunch of commands trying to run pci and usb commands which inturn says killing this and that until i type the command to exit which finially boots the umbuntu os system	20:27
adam_m	DirkCrude: id check the bios first to see whats happening.	20:29
adam_m	make sure that the hard drive is highest priority. Do you have a graphics card of some sort as well by chance?	20:30
DirkCrude	adam m......what exactly am i trying to change in my bios	20:31
DirkCrude	adam m.......... if you want i will try to reboot and copy and paste the commands of the files its killing but its a pci and usb command that is being killed	20:31
adam_m	the boot order specifically	20:31
DirkCrude	is there another command that i need to run after the spt	20:31
adam_m	just make sure that it is booting from the hard drive first	20:31
adam_m	wont know until we try and fix this one thing at a time	20:32
adam_m	just see if that helps i guess	20:32
DirkCrude	sorry another command i need to run after the update and upgrade command	20:32
DirkCrude	the boot order is for my hddisk1 then hddisk 2 but i had to install of a pendrive initially usbHDD	20:33
adamxx	How to install Ubuntu 13.04 on machine with UEFI bios and no visable option in BIOS to turn on Legacy Boot?	20:44
adamxx	Asus Sabertooth 990FX board, fully updated bios.	20:44
Gape2	Hey, after updating from 12.10 to 13.04 ubuntu is gone from list of uefi boot options (I have dual boot with windows 8 but it shouldn't matter). It seems the update manager deleted the files required to boot from the efi partition. Any suggestions?	20:44
Albanian	Hi allz	20:50
anders3408	hi, i was just playing with ubuntu web server, and did get my own site running again (hosting it my self) then i did an update to the website, but it does not show up when i go into the site, not on lan address or on the domain name	20:52
anders3408	nothing changes in www.somewebsitename.com or localhost	20:53
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=== DouglasK is now known as DouglasKAway
Gape2	refreshed without cache?	20:56
anders3408	tried also on my phone and laptop, they have not been on the website before	20:56
anders3408	but did also clear webbrowser cache	20:56
anders3408	Gape2 im pretty new to working with websites so :)	20:57
Gape2	anders3408: no idea then, sorry	20:57
rava	hey all, i need a binary working that doesn't seem to exist with the right plugins enabled in oneiric, but works fine from hardy. can i get away with adding the repo and pinning the packages i need to hardy?	20:57
Slart	rava: dont add repositories for other versions than what you're running.. you can download the package and install that without messing with your repositories	20:59
Slart	rava: try packages.ubuntu.com	20:59
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rava	Slart: i'll give it a shot, thanks	20:59
Slart	rava: you're welcome	20:59
constantin_mike	hello	21:00
auronandace	rava: hardy and oneiric are no longer supported, also you should never mix releases	21:01
marina_	ciao a tutti ragazzi	21:01
marina_	ho un problemino :-)	21:01
Slart	!it \| marina_	21:01
ubottu	marina_: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)	21:01
constantin_mike	does anybody have any idea about installing a printer on ubuntu/xubuntu, that is not automatically recognized? it's a panasonic kx-mb781 which is not automatically recognized in xubuntu 12.10 (and i guess the same on ubuntu), on google i've only found dead ends ... but i've read something about gdi drivers (don't know what that is), some generic drivers that make basic functions to work	21:02
luigi	Is ubuntu ever going to use systemd?	21:03
Slart	constantin_mike: if the printer speaks postscript or pdf you might get away with selecting a similar printer or one of the more generic ones	21:03
BluesKaj	luigi, 13.10 will be using it to some degree	21:04
luigi	BluesKaj: How can you use systemd to a degree?	21:04
BluesKaj	luigi, apparently	21:04
luigi	I thought it was pretty much all or nothing.	21:04
luigi	It's either init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd or not...	21:04
constantin_mike	Slart, okay, thank you	21:05
constantin_mike	will try	21:05
BluesKaj	luigi, well ,do some research or ask in #ubuntu+1	21:05
luigi	BluesKaj: Didn't know that channel existed	21:06
Slart	constantin_mike: from doing a quick google-search it seems your printer might not be supported in linux.. you might have better luck with a updated cups-version but I wouldn't get my hopes up to high =/	21:06
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tones_	constantin_Mike, yeah that's what I did last week with an HP printer, generic driver worked	21:07
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Slart	constantin_mike: this is a thread from 2009, perhaps it might still be useful https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-July/190679.html	21:07
Gape2	Hey, after updating from 12.10 to 13.04 ubuntu is gone from list of uefi boot options (I have dual boot with windows 8 but it shouldn't matter). It seems the update manager deleted the files required to boot from the efi partition. Any suggestions?	21:08
Amarok_TR	my PC dont see the USB connections	21:08
jmurrib21	is skype application downloaded from it web site different than skype wrapper app?	21:08
Amarok_TR	my keyboard and mouse is over USB connected	21:09
jmurrib21	trying to decide which to install for ubuntu 13.04	21:09
Amarok_TR	in Windows is all OK	21:09
Amarok_TR	but on Xubuntu not	21:09
djmitche	Why is "Some index files failed to download" from apt-get update sometimes flagged as an error (E, exit status 101) and sometimes not (W, 0)? I can't tell what the critical factor is differentiating the two	21:12
\|s-a\|	hello any tunisians here ?	21:13
BluesKaj	luigi, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/systemd/+builds	21:14
Iceman_B	my /dev/sda1 suddenly jump to rea-only mode and my system behaves erratically after that. Restoring a backup superblock only helps temporarily, how do I go about fixing this?	21:15
luigi	BluesKaj: Those are just builds	21:15
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BluesKaj	luigi, I juat asked in kubuntu-devel here's the reply : partly as far as I know, we'll be using systemd-udevd instead of udevd, we'll get logind, but core init system will stay upstart. That's what I remember at least	21:16
luigi	BluesKaj: That's just... Weird	21:18
luigi	BluesKaj: Yikes	21:18
* BluesKaj shrugs ...there are aspects og system that are being phased in slowly ..obviously it's not all or nothing		21:19
BluesKaj	systemd that is	21:19
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wakeup	hi	21:21
wakeup	I have here an ubuntu lucid lynx (I know outdated, but I can change	21:22
wakeup	it) How do I clone my screen o the HDMI output port?	21:22
djbengan	Hi! My xorg says i dont got a screen, help :(	21:23
luigi	BluesKaj: Well, I just hope that it some day replaces upstart	21:23
Iceman_B	nobody? is my hdd dying? :( or did something really broken made it's way into Server 12.10 ?	21:25
circuit07	ping	21:25
djbengan_	Got dcd...	21:27
djbengan_	i hate dcs	21:27
djbengan_	Hi. My xorg says i dont have a screen installed. It's intresting since i can read the errortext. Any suggestions?	21:28
vitimiti	bye	21:28
djbengan_	Or is this channel sleeping now?	21:29
jpmh	when I look at "connection information" it tells me my primary, secondary and tertiary DNS is 127.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 4.2.2.2 - how do I see this info at the command line	21:30
bekks	jpmh: cat /etc/resolv.conf	21:31
djbengan_	My xorg says i dont have a screen installed. It's intresting since i can read the errortext. Any suggestions? i tried a lot of stuff :(	21:32
wakeup	dmesg tells me about an attached HDMI screen but xrandr doesn't see	21:32
wakeup	i :(	21:32
DirkCrude	if anyone can help i'd really appreciate it	21:32
home	hello	21:32
bekks	DirkCrude: Hlp with what?	21:33
djbengan_	anyone?	21:34
DirkCrude	`<bekks> i ran the update and the upgrade thru the terminal and it was succesfull... is there any other commands i need to run after that?	21:34
bekks	DirkCrude: "No."	21:34
bekks	DirkCrude: Which command did you run in particular?	21:34
=== jayne\| is now known as jayne
jpmh	bekks: I know, but that does not give me the correct info, it gives me nameserver 127.0.0.1 / search test.colostate.edu	21:35
bekks	jpmh: It gives you the information of the first DNS.	21:36
jpmh	bekks: ty - how do I discover the seconday and tertiary	21:36
Iceman_B	can anyone explain what a superblock does and how up-to-date they are? I understand that the ext4 FS makes backup superblocks every so many blocks?	21:37
DirkCrude	one other thing is that when i first try to start the ubuntu os system it is asking me to run a generic page and thousands of lines of commands run down the screen stating that its killing usb and pci commands. finially the only way to access the ubuntu os is to run the command "exit" which finially starts the os... is that normal? should the page state run ubuntu generic os or the generic thru recovery?	21:38
bekks	jpmh: Take a look at /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf	21:38
DirkCrude	sudo apt-get update........ then sudo apt-get upgrade	21:39
altin	anyone has this problem with docky on gnome3 http://i.imgur.com/7b0i66j.jpg	21:39
n0yd	altin, nope	21:40
jpmh	bekks: yes - I know, that is where I set the pre-pend - but there has to be some way to discover what it is in real time simce when I use the GUI to look at "connection info" it gives me the info	21:40
n0yd	By chance did you upgrade gnome3 using the gnome teams ppas?	21:40
DirkCrude	the only way i can get the os to actually run is to run the command "exit" and it finially begins the ubuntu os	21:40
n0yd	altin, the last question was for you	21:41
nizor	please where can i get software for advanced mathematics like differentiation and integration	21:42
nizor	please help	21:42
n0yd	did you check the software center?	21:42
altin	n0yd: don't remember doing that!	21:43
=== AvengerMoJo_ is now known as AvengerMoJo
DirkCrude	bekks........... the only real problem i have is that when i run the generic ubuntu os the fact that is runs tons of commands stating that it's killing the usb and pci commands untill i enter the exit command which will finailly start the ubuntu os	21:44
trism	nizor: maxima is one choice in the repos	21:44
djbengan_	Can i change my videodriver using tty?	21:44
n0yd	altin, so did you or didnt you?	21:45
n0yd	Because I had basically the same issue when I used the gnome3 ppas. But when it was stock it was fine	21:45
altin	n0yd: I installed gnome3 as usually with apt-get	21:45
altin	but I was firt using kde	21:45
altin	first	21:45
n0yd	did you install it via gnome-desktop?	21:46
DirkCrude	i am completely fed up with windows. installing drivers and all that annoying shit which half the time wont work... i really enjoy ubuntu so far except this small problem of intially starting ubuntu... i'm not sure if it's normal or not	21:46
n0yd	The issue looks like your graphics drivers or something	21:46
n0yd	You arent getting compositing apparently	21:46
altin	n0yd: I have bumblebee installed	21:47
n0yd	thats somethijng do with nvidia optimus right?	21:47
bekks	DirkCrude: Sounds like your Ubuntu isnt even booting correctly. What do you mean with "it is killing pci and usb commands"?	21:47
n0yd	altin, you could try removing bumblebee and use the default driver sertup and see ig it works	21:48
n0yd	ive noticed weird issues with the gnome3 compositing	21:49
altin	I'd rather have an extended battery life with bumblebee than use docky :P	21:49
Iceman_B	how do I check on what device my homedir is residing?	21:49
n0yd	altin, well, im guessing anything that uses compositing wont work	21:49
n0yd	altin, there are other ways to get docks	21:50
n0yd	altin, check out my gnome3 setup, http://oi44.tinypic.com/eqch12.jpg and http://oi40.tinypic.com/fk1kz7.jpg and http://oi40.tinypic.com/dpaemh.jpg	21:50
n0yd	IMHO, gnomke3 stock is quite horrid, but its excellent once configured with the right stuff like extensions etc	21:50
phillyj	can someone help me set up an HP printer through my wi-fi router? no idea how to begin	21:51
n0yd	phillyj, with my HP printer via wifi, I just go to add printers	21:51
dawne_p	I've got this "no button" acer v5-571 laptop. Has anyone ever successfully swapped out one of these for a regular trackpad with buttons?	21:51
n0yd	And tell it to search for network printers. Works mint	21:51
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n0yd	dawne_p, this wouldnt be a good channel to get an answer. try ##hardware	21:52
n0yd	or is it, #hardware I forget :P	21:52
nizor	differentiation and integration maths software pls?	21:52
n0yd	nizor, gnuplot?	21:52
secret_ninja	im getting ready to install something from source, and it lists several dependencies that it says i should check for..	21:52
secret_ninja	how do i list installed pkgs?	21:53
phillyj	n0yd: umm, I don't even know how to find out my printer ip...it asks for that	21:53
n0yd	phillyj, it doesnt find it automaticaLLY?	21:53
n0yd	it does for me	21:53
bekks	phillyj: Print a test page from the printers menu, e.g.	21:53
phillyj	n0yd: i connected the printer to the usb port on my belkin router (cheap router)	21:54
n0yd	when you hit add printers, there is a little spinning icon, that means its searching for printers on your network	21:54
n0yd	phillyj, I have one setup the sameway	21:54
bekks	phillyj: You have to configure a static IP on the printer, first.	21:54
n0yd	bekks, its wont use an ip if its usb	21:54
n0yd	the router acts as the print server	21:55
n0yd	so you would use the routers ip	21:55
n0yd	I have one setup that way, and one setup via wifi to the router	21:55
dawne_p	n0yd, my related question (had to get my kid grape juice first) was whether or not anyone else had trouble with these things. The pointer moves when I click (to drag something) so that I miss what I was aiming for.	21:55
n0yd	dawne_p, my friend has the same issue with a nvidia card using a composited dock in gnome3	21:56
n0yd	the pointer is off	21:56
djbengan_	Stuf that makes me lol part 1	21:56
djbengan_	xorg always breaks	21:56
djbengan_	it's a fact	21:56
n0yd	xorg is based on very old tech	21:56
djbengan_	and you cant fixit witouth reinstall	21:57
n0yd	not surprising	21:57
bekks	djbengan_: Why does it break?	21:57
cjbirk	I have a question: I currently have an nVidia card on my media center running ubuntu, if i switch to a radeon/ati card - what do I need to do so that nothing breaks?	21:57
n0yd	umm, you can fix anything without reinstalling, if you know what you are doing	21:57
dawne_p	n0yd, it looks ok, but when I touch to click it I see the pointer move.	21:57
djbengan_	the oh so annoying no screens found errror.	21:57
bekks	djbengan_: Then your driver installation for your graphics card went wrong. Fixable without reinstallation.	21:57
Jack_DanieL`s	hey girl's	21:57
n0yd	dawne_p, ya, my friend had that same issue. But he is legaly blind, so I thought maybe it was because he was using the magnifying thing	21:57
djbengan_	and, the -configure switch is not working	21:58
n0yd	But if you have the same issue, no idea	21:58
n0yd	Anything is fixablew without reinstalling pretty much	21:58
n0yd	At most you have to use a bootcd	21:58
bekks	cjbirk: Uninstall the old driver, switch hw, install the new driver. I'd go with nvidia, personally.	21:58
n0yd	chroot is a godsend	21:58
bekks	djbengan_: Its isnt needed, basically.	21:58
djbengan_	bekks: i cant fix my drivers bcus that laptop got no internet.	21:58
n0yd	you can download the drivers and put them on disk or usb	21:59
bekks	djbengan_: Then you have to get it some internet.	21:59
phillyj	n0yd: do I need a special type of printer that can print through a network or will any work?	21:59
cjbirk	bekks: really?	21:59
steven_	hi	21:59
n0yd	phillyj, Well, using them over USB to the router is probably the issue	21:59
cjbirk	ati is no good on ubuntu?	21:59
bekks	phillyj: With a printserver (see wether your router provides one), every printer works fine.	21:59
n0yd	Because the router has to suppor the printer	22:00
n0yd	bekks, not true	22:00
bekks	cjbirk: For me, ATI was a no-go always. Never had problems with nvidia, but heard a lot of issues with ATI.	22:00
djbengan_	Let me explain a bit: it's a macbook air with a broken logicboard. The usb-hub is fried.	22:00
n0yd	the router must still support it. Just like if you plugged it into the computer. The router is running linux afterall	22:00
secret_ninja	how do i list installed pkgs?	22:01
n0yd	bekks, its easier to just get a printer that supports wifi or cat5 and connect it to the router that way	22:01
bekks	secret_ninja: dpkg -l	22:01
n0yd	That way you dont have to worry about the router actually supporting it	22:01
secret_ninja	thnx	22:01
n0yd	woops	22:01
n0yd	That was meant for you phillyj	22:01
n0yd	the last two tjhings I said	22:01
n0yd	sorry bekks	22:01
nizor	maths softwares pls	22:02
n0yd	nizor, youve asked a bunch of times, and even PM'd me	22:02
bekks	nizor: "bc"	22:02
djbengan_	is the packaged stored on my computer?	22:02
n0yd	I told you gnuplot for some stuff, and if you need other stuff, to search google	22:02
DankenseN	hi all, if somebody can help me, i already installed apt-get unrar, just trying to unrar a file and i have a message error : CRC failed !???	22:02
n0yd	or search software-center	22:03
djbengan_	Like, if i purge Xorg, and reinstall, can i do that without internetz?	22:03
nizor	n0yd just wana get plenty to try out tonight..needed for project work	22:03
n0yd	Linux has TONS of math applications, its one thing linux is popular for	22:03
n0yd	nizor, google it, seriously	22:03
bekks	djbengan_: How can we know? We dont even know which Ubuntu you have, which graphics card you have, which driver you are using, nor which error message in detail you keep getting.	22:03
nizor	downloading kmplot, maxima and gunplot nw	22:03
n0yd	nizor, I googled "mathematics applications linux" lots of stuff	22:03
nizor	ok thnks n0yd	22:04
n0yd	nizor, here is a great list" http://linux.about.com/library/howto/scientific_comput/blsc4.htm	22:05
djbengan_	Lol. So, Its ubuntu 13.04 with nauveaue-driver(i will never learn how to spell it right), i got no clue on the chip but i know the nvidia-common is dead. Im getting the no screens connected from xorg.	22:06
bekks	djbengan_: Since when is nvidia-common dead?	22:06
bekks	djbengan_: And which hardware do you have - which graphics card?	22:07
djbengan_	It's dead on the late 2011 macbook airs	22:07
bekks	djbengan_: Which graphics adapter...?	22:07
elisa87	how can I take rodinia and rodinia_benchmarks out from this list? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711682/ in mount?	22:08
djbengan_	bekks: NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory3	22:09
bekks	djbengan_: Then just use nvidia-updates?	22:09
djbengan_	bekks: Last time i tried i got "cannot configure this device" when using nvida-updates	22:10
OliverJAsh	i'm new. what should i be using for terminal? i'm an advanced terminal user on os x, use panes etc	22:10
OliverJAsh	also need good support for colours	22:10
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zykotick9	OliverJAsh: you might want to try urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode), it's minimal, but one of the best terminal emulator going... YMMV	22:12
phillyj	n0yd: i think you're right; the usb indicator LED on the router doesn't turn on; probably incompatible	22:12
djbengan_	But, its listed on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-275.09.07-driver.html	22:12
djbengan_	...	22:12
n0yd	phillyj, ya I had the same problem, and im actually running a pretty decent router, and custom firmwaew	22:13
bekks	djbengan_: MAybe it wasnt, earlier.	22:13
n0yd	So I ended up just using the wifi on it	22:13
OliverJAsh	cheers zykotick9	22:13
n0yd	phillyj, network capable printers are much easier to work with, cause you dont rely on the router on anything besides giving the printer an IP	22:14
phillyj	n0yd: this sucks; so there's not much unless I get a newer printer	22:14
n0yd	which it gives IP's to anything connected to it via wifi or cat5/6	22:14
djbengan_	givin it a try	22:14
n0yd	phillyj, well, you could plug it in to the computer itself	22:14
phillyj	n0yd: that's how it was; I wanted to share with my laptops	22:15
n0yd	Does your router actually support being a printserver?	22:15
phillyj	n0yd: well, it is one of the options; can also add a storage drive	22:16
n0yd	and you are saying their is an specific light for usb on the router?	22:17
djbengan_	tyvm bekks	22:17
phillyj	n0yd: but I think it might be easier to setup via their windows software; not sure how to thru ubuntu	22:17
phillyj	n0yd: yes, the usb drive lit up when i plugged it in	22:17
n0yd	if you plug it in, and go into the routers config via your web browser, does it show up there?	22:18
n0yd	you are sayijng lit up, but, lit up where? On the router, or on the drive?	22:18
phillyj	n0yd: I don't see anything of that sort; oh, lit on the router	22:18
n0yd	You know how to access your routers config right?	22:18
phillyj	n0yd: not sure what to look for on the router config	22:18
phillyj	yes	22:18
n0yd	I would look in the printer server section	22:19
n0yd	what router is it?	22:19
phillyj	yea...no option like that; is weird	22:19
phillyj	belkil n300	22:19
phillyj	F7D7301	22:19
n0yd	What router is this? And when its plugged into the rouiter, does it work on the windows ones?	22:19
meLon	Any ideas on how to 'throttle' hdds? I've got a PV on an external HDD, and if I read too quickly it 'crashes'. Nothing is wrong other than the OS thinks that the HDD is capable of handling more than it can.	22:19
phillyj	havent tried window, n0yd	22:20
n0yd	ok	22:20
Zzyzx	Need help with adding a USB printer to Ubuntu. It's not detected using System Settings > Hardware > Printers	22:20
n0yd	If it ultimately doesnt work via the router, you could always share it out via another computer. Be it windows or Linux. Both are capable	22:20
phillyj	n0yd: you mean printer > pc > router?	22:22
n0yd	Yup	22:22
n0yd	Of course the computer acting as the print server has to be plugged in to print	22:22
n0yd	err, turned on	22:22
phillyj	kk	22:22
n0yd	I just read the manual for your router model, it says you have to use some stupid software on each computer in order for it ro work	22:23
n0yd	Which is quite stupid, but I believe it	22:23
n0yd	But in the config sectiuon of the router, is there something like USB Print and Storage Manager? Or a similar section	22:23
Neozonz	anyone here use proxmox? im trying to implement a ufw firewall on my guest os but it's not working...	22:24
n0yd	phillyj, in case you dont have the manual, http://www.belkin.com/networking/manual/MAN_F7D7301_8820-00699_ShareMaxN300.pdf	22:24
Lightz	hi. is apparmor only used for applications or can i also use it to set more detailed read, write and execute rules for regular directories and text files? thanks	22:25
phillyj	n0yd: no such thing on the config page unless they put it under something I don't understand	22:26
mohsen_	hi	22:26
phillyj	n0yd: waitaminute; i see something in the log	22:27
phillyj	n0yd: does this mean anything "Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read!"	22:28
n0yd	It means that is why it isnt working	22:28
n0yd	Or part of why	22:29
n0yd	phillyj, it sounds like a really common error though on those routers	22:30
n0yd	so it might not be why	22:30
n0yd	but it appears its a common issue with people trying to print on those routers	22:30
n0yd	the router uses samba to share, and it need printcap	22:31
n0yd	if you knew how to ssh into the router, I could show you how to remove that error	22:31
n0yd	but i dont think its a critical error, from what I see	22:32
sianhulo	is there a tool to manage the internet connection of various devices?ile setting speed caps and the such?	22:33
Anxi80	Is it better to install java jdk in /etc or /usr/local ?	22:33
n0yd	sianhulo, thats generally done on the router	22:33
n0yd	using QoS	22:33
zykotick9	Anxi80: i'd say /opt is most unix-like location. don't install anything in /etc!	22:34
Anxi80	zykotick9, thanks for the advice but why /opt over /usr/local ?	22:35
sianhulo	n0yd, thanks	22:35
zykotick9	Anxi80: you can use /usr/local is you want, but i like to leave all of /usr for the system (i'm very conservative with my boxes)	22:36
w30	Anxi80, I liked /usr/local when I used Slackware but you have to do a lot of env settings when you do /usr/local stuff	22:36
Anxi80	zykotick9, thanks	22:37
Anxi80	w30, I am setting up update-alternatives for /usr/bin/java	22:37
Anxi80	w30, that's about it	22:38
w30	Anxi80, like set the env=<whatever>	22:38
Afteraffekt	Hey all, I am trying to boot a live copy of Ubuntu 12.04 from my USB drive and I get this error over and over with I press F3 during the boot screen "udevd[130] : timeout: killing '/sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sdc' [457]"	22:38
DankenseN	CRC failed trying to unrar a file ... can someone help me ?	22:38
Anxi80	w30, thanks	22:39
n0yd	DankenseN, sounds like a bad download	22:39
n0yd	It doesnt just give the error for no reason	22:39
n0yd	If you can find the MD5 or SHA sum for the file, check it	22:39
w30	Anxi80, you should get env errors if something can't find java in /usr/local; if so set it.	22:40
w30	Anxi80, I think everything not distro installed should be in /usr/local but what do I know	22:41
Anxi80	w30, that is what i read and is why i'm asking	22:44
Anxi80	w30, /usr/local seemed like a good place according to reading the output of hier in cli	22:44
DankenseN	thx n0yd	22:46
Afteraffekt	Any ideas guys?	22:46
brainwash	Afteraffekt: remove /dev/sdc and try again	22:51
Afteraffekt	brainwash, remove how?	22:52
brainwash	unplug the device which is causing the timeout	22:52
phillyj	n0yd: do you think that having ddwrt on the router would make it easier to add that printer?	22:53
Afteraffekt	i thought i did, but when i did that now it says /dev/sda	22:53
brainwash	so it was the wrong one	22:53
Afteraffekt	brainwash, the only other one is the usb drive i am booting from	22:53
Afteraffekt	now its killing sda1	22:55
brainwash	so only the usb drive with the ubuntu image is attached?	22:57
wilee-nilee	Afteraffekt, In the first gui the lice session shows is a check for the medium.	22:58
wilee-nilee	live*	22:58
Afteraffekt	meaning/	22:59
Afteraffekt	?	22:59
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wilee-nilee	Afteraffekt, check the iso on the usb with it.	22:59
Afteraffekt	seems Yumi has taken those options from me	23:00
Afteraffekt	i can hit tab and change boot options, thats it	23:00
n0yd	phillyj, honestly, no. I use custom firmware, I still couldnt get mine to work. But if you wanna try, go ahead	23:01
n0yd	i actually prefer something based on tomatousb	23:01
wilee-nilee	!md5sum \| Afteraffekt	23:01
ubottu	Afteraffekt: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows	23:01
Afteraffekt	n0yd, that directed to me/	23:02
Afteraffekt	?	23:02
phillyj	n0yd: alright, so it's more of a hardware incompatibilty; guess i'll put this on hold	23:02
n0yd	Afteraffekt, no	23:02
n0yd	phillyj, like I said u caalways share it out with windows or linux	23:02
Afteraffekt	wilee-nilee, if this is all you guys can think of then its probably a bad rip (I first pulled the iso off a disk, then put it to disk drive with yumi	23:03
n0yd	phillyj, looks like only dd-wrt micro ll run on your router. Cause you onyl have 2MB of flash compared to pother routers 32MB or more.	23:03
wilee-nilee	Afteraffekt, Where would you start with a iso that does not load,?	23:03
n0yd	I dont think dd-wrt micro even has USB support built in	23:03
Afteraffekt	wilee-nilee, i assume you meant why, and why is because i had no way to test. this laptop im trying to fix has no disk drive	23:04
withn352	anyone got any experience with setting up printers in linux via bonjour?	23:06
phillyj	n0yd: hmm, i read otherwise when i was flashing a few months ago; well, wasted my time today	23:06
Quix86	Is there software like "PHC" that can be used for undervolting a pentium M cpu that is supported on 13.04?	23:07
phillyj	n0yd: thx for al the help	23:07
Quix86	I asked this before and was suggested TLP, but this requires PHC to undervolt the processor	23:07
daftykins	Quix86: doesn't it support speedstep to scale automatically?	23:07
n0yd	phillyj, no problem. if dd-wrt micro does support usb out of the box, I doubt it does printing (ie no cups or samba_	23:07
Quix86	daftykins, yes, but only at the default voltage range	23:07
Quix86	I want to use voltages below the default range	23:08
n0yd	Because its micro, your router doesnt have enough flash memory to run the full dd-wrt versons	23:08
n0yd	Quix86, phc will work on ubuntu, you just need a PHC capable kernel	23:09
n0yd	The stock kernel doesnt support undervoling afaik	23:09
Quix86	n0yd, I'm looking at the PPA page and it says that the latest supported version of the distro is 12.04	23:09
Quix86	this ppa includes the kernel patch, if I'm not mistaken	23:10
n0yd	the version suported in the ppa doesnt matter	23:10
n0yd	its just a kernel	23:10
n0yd	https://launchpad.net/~linux-phc/+archive/ppa	23:10
n0yd	But youy are right, its an old kernel	23:10
Quix86	yes 13.04 is on 3.5 or so	23:10
Quix86	latest is 3.2	23:10
n0yd	right, .04 is on 3.8	23:11
Quix86	is it? I thought mine was on 3.5	23:11
Quix86	oh wait	23:11
Quix86	I'm thinking of 12.10	23:11
n0yd	but a 3.2 kernel shouldnt hurt. But really the best way would to be compile your own kernel with the patches built in	23:11
Quix86	which I thought is what the PPA would do, or at least it would do it the easy way	23:12
n0yd	thats installing a pre-built kernel	23:12
n0yd	compiling one yourself would get you the latest kernel	23:13
Quix86	so what kind of trouble do I have to go through to patch this myself	23:13
Ari-Yang	you're installing a kernel from a ppa?	23:13
Quix86	would be if it was up to date	23:13
Quix86	which it's not	23:13
Ari-Yang	Quix86, I think it might actually better to build it yourself	23:13
Quix86	which is the conclusion we've come to	23:14
Ari-Yang	https://www.kernel.org/	23:14
Ari-Yang	what ubuntu version are you on? j/w (just wondering)	23:14
Quix86	that said I'll have to do a fresh install when my CF adapter comes in anyway and it'd make more sense to install 12.04 on that and do it the easy way but alas, it's not in yet	23:14
Quix86	13.04	23:14
Ari-Yang	Quix86, so you want to install kernel 3.9 on 13.04?	23:15
n0yd	Quix86, compiling the kernel is really easy	23:15
n0yd	Ari-Yang, he doesnt care about the version really	23:15
Quix86	Ari-Yang, I think it's on 3.8... I'm not sure. And yes, I don't care about the version	23:15
n0yd	He just wants a kernel with ther PHC patch	23:15
Ari-Yang	ah	23:15
n0yd	Quix86, 3.9 wporks fine on 13.04	23:15
n0yd	But 3.8 is whats stock	23:16
n0yd	But like I said, a 3.2 _should_ work also	23:16
Quix86	I think I did 3.6 on 12.10 once and it just broke things	23:16
Ari-Yang	tbh I'm tempted to compile kernel 3.9 on my laptop (this has ubuntu 12.10 installed)	23:16
OliverJAsh	if i'm going to install a shell script or binary and i want it in my $PATH, where would you recommend storing it? there are many bins…	23:16
Quix86	lets assume 3.8	23:16
Quix86	since that's what's on it	23:16
n0yd	Quix86, you can use ubuntus config for the kernel so you dont have to configure by hand if you dont know how, then just download the patch and patch it	23:16
OliverJAsh	~/bin perhaps?	23:17
n0yd	Quix86, any custom kernel will "break things" if you dont know what you are doing	23:17
Quix86	I never know what I'm doing	23:17
Ari-Yang	XD	23:17
n0yd	You will have to install the linux-firmware and linux-firmware-nonfree packages	23:17
Quix86	3.6 worked for the most part but my hotswap drive wouldn't work	23:17
rypervenche	Quix86: That's why it's best to use your current .config and then make the changes you need.	23:18
n0yd	And posibly have to install the nvidia or radeon drivers from their site	23:18
Quix86	I'm on intel master race graphics	23:18
n0yd	As you might have to compile the drivers against the custom kernel	23:18
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juniour	hi ubuntu geeks :)	23:18
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Quix86	hi 88	23:18
n0yd	Ok, well intel video isnt an issue. Yiou will still want those firmware packages though	23:18
n0yd	For things like intel wifi and such	23:18
n0yd	It really isnt very hard	23:19
juniour	hi i have a usb that is procted with windows bitlocker, i have password , but when i inset i won't get any prompt to enter password plz help	23:19
n0yd	chunkymonkey, please dont IRC as root...	23:19
chunkymonkey	chroot	23:19
chunkymonkey	im on a chromebook	23:19
n0yd	k	23:19
n0yd	you didnt create another user?	23:20
chunkymonkey	actually why im here	23:20
n0yd	adduser	23:20
n0yd	from the shell	23:20
Quix86	hmmmm	23:20
chunkymonkey	Anyone have experience with chromebooks running ubuntu?	23:20
Quix86	where is the patch I need exactly? I've found something that just says "kernel 2.6.33 and up"	23:21
juniour	chunkymonkey chromebook s...ks	23:21
n0yd	chunkymonkey, are you trying to install ubuntu? there are guides for running it on the chromebvook all over. It even uses the chromebooks kernel	23:21
juniour	hi i have a usb that is procted with windows bitlocker, i have password , but when i inset i won't get any prompt to enter password plz help	23:21
n0yd	Quix86, http://www.linux-phc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2	23:22
n0yd	everything is on their forums	23:22
n0yd	howtos, etc	23:22
Quix86	that's the same page I was on	23:22
n0yd	juniour, im pretty sure bitlocker does not work on linux	23:22
n0yd	Quix86, the download is right there	23:22
Quix86	and I asked 'it said 2.6.33 and up'	23:22
n0yd	It says attachment, under 0.4.4	23:22
Quix86	that's a bit older than 3.8	23:22
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n0yd	Quix86, right that means you need a 2.6.33 kernel or up	23:23
n0yd	whats the problem?	23:23
juniour	n0dy how can i read my data	23:23
n0yd	Its just a requiurement, like Windows 98 and up	23:23
juniour	??	23:23
Quix86	I'm from the windows world, compatibility isn't always how it sounds	23:23
juniour	i think its a big loop hole of linux	23:23
Quix86	98 and up usually means 'if you are running 7x64 then have fun'	23:23
n0yd	juniour, use windows. Or stop using propietary exncryption	23:23
Quix86	maybe he can run the bitlocker program in wine?	23:24
n0yd	juniour, next tijme encrypot your data using a method that isnt propietaru	23:24
n0yd	Its not Linux's fault that it cant read a closer sourced encryption mechanism made by MS	23:24
n0yd	Mac can't either. Or any other OS	23:24
n0yd	Next time use truecrypt	23:24
rypervenche	LUKS <3	23:24
n0yd	Its cross platform	23:24
Ari-Yang	juniour, try using WINE or a VM (virtual machine)	23:25
Ari-Yang	!wine	23:25
ubottu	WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu	23:25
Quix86	The guide says I may need a cup of coffee to install linux-phc. I don't have any coffee. :(	23:25
Quix86	how did that get unblocked	23:25
n0yd	Ari-Yang, wine is not gonna do anything with bitlocker	23:25
n0yd	Though a VM would work for reading bitlocker	23:25
n0yd	You need the full OS, not just a simple program in wine	23:26
Quix86	yeah a VM is a bit of a chunky way to go about it but it should work	23:26
n0yd	I would just stop using bitlocker :P	23:26
n0yd	And use truecrypt or luks	23:26
n0yd	LKUKS is more for whole drive encryption though, and doesnt work on other platforms	23:26
jakemp	when I am in a directory, pre-13.04 It would go to that file in the directory. Now it does a more complex search, which is really slow. How do I disable this?	23:26
jakemp	in the graphical file manager	23:26
n0yd	im not sure what you mean	23:27
juniour	n0yd truecrypt is not good	23:27
n0yd	juniour, lol	23:27
n0yd	whys that?	23:27
Iceman_B	is there any reason, other than physical hdd failure why filesystem might get set to read-only mode when running?	23:28
juniour	n0yd it create virtual disk, and any one can delete that and ,all data gone lol	23:28
n0yd	.....	23:28
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n0yd	juniour, http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-volume-protection	23:29
n0yd	not very hard to protect	23:29
jakemp	like, I click files, and a window opens with /home/jakemp displayed. It used to be that if I started typing myCodeDirectory, it would select the directory as soon as it was unique, and I could hit enter. Now it stops and searches my whole home directory or hard drive.	23:29
n0yd	And its a far superior option to bitlocker	23:29
n0yd	Which is propietary crap imho	23:29
n0yd	jakemp, I dont use Unity, so I dont know. But it sounds like one of the "lens" for unity, or whatever they call that	23:30
n0yd	Hopefully someone else will chime in	23:30
juniour	n0yd heee lol i think it can be deleted using live os or something	23:30
jakemp	It doesn't open the lense menu. It's entirely in the application	23:30
n0yd	juniour, it cant if you just follow the directions	23:30
jakemp	is there a way to open a file when I don't know the name of the application that opens it?	23:31
jakemp	like a pdf, when I don't know the name of my pdf reader	23:31
rypervenche	juniour: Anyone can erase the partition scheme on it and thus delete the data as well.	23:31
n0yd	jakemp, ok, so if you open nautlius, and in the location bar, you type /home/jakemp, it oesnt go there?	23:31
zykotick9	jakemp: try "xdg-open foo"	23:31
juniour	then wt is the best way to protect data	23:32
n0yd	you are saying what you type in the location bar in nautilus, its searching for? rather than just navigating to?	23:32
juniour	?	23:32
mdh	I'm running samba in share mode, how could I set which user samba is using to read and write files on the share?	23:32
jakemp	n0yd, I do, but if I just start typing after set focus to the main document window, it starts what used to be a search, instead of the old autocomplete/select	23:32
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rypervenche	juniour: I would personally say LUKS or Truecrypt.	23:33
n0yd	juniour, if someone has physicval access the drive, there is always a way delete it. Encryption just stops people from accessing the data, i doesnt stop from people from deleting it	23:33
rypervenche	juniour: You should always have backups.	23:33
n0yd	You gotta realize that deleting isnt the same accessing it. I can delete your encrypted data, but I cant read it	23:33
betrayd	howdy	23:34
juniour	humm nice answer :)	23:34
n0yd	jakemp, so again, use truecrypt, and folow the instructions for protecting your hidden volume	23:34
juniour	thats wt cloud come in handy :)	23:34
n0yd	woops	23:35
n0yd	i meant juniour	23:35
n0yd	juniour, also, if you enable thwe hidden volume protection, it makes it so only you can access the outter volume	23:35
n0yd	Its all quite clear in the link I pasted	23:36
n0yd	Important: You are the only person who can mount your outer volume with the hidden volume protection enabled (since nobody else knows your hidden volume password). When an adversary asks you to mount an outer volume, you of course must not mount it with the hidden volume protection enabled. You must mount it as a normal volume (and then TrueCrypt will not show the volume type "Outer" but "Normal"). The reason is that, during the time when an outer volume is	23:36
n0yd	mounted with the hidden volume protection enabled, the adversary can find out that a hidden volume exists within the outer volume (he/she will be able to find it out until the volume is dismounted and possibly even some time after the computer has been powered off - see Unencrypted Data in RAM).	23:36
cand	alguem fala portugês aqui ?	23:36
n0yd	cand, #ubuntu-pt	23:37
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betrayd	!br \| cand	23:39
ubottu	cand: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada.	23:39
juniour	n0dy ram takes some time to fade data, from there it can be retrived :)	23:39
meLon	How can I prevent USB drives from sleeping and have it persistent across boots?	23:39
n0yd	juniour, apparently you still arent reading that correctly	23:39
n0yd	but whatever	23:39
juniour	n0dy thanks nice explanation for truecrypt	23:39
juniour	i am going for it	23:40
juniour	in more deep	23:40
n0yd	The fact is, ANYTHING can be deleted pretty much with physical access	23:40
n0yd	But using that protection outlined in that article, if you mount it witthe hidden volume protection disabled, it wont show the hidden volume, or even name the outter volume as "outtr"	23:41
uw	meLon, UUIDs	23:42
meLon	I'm familiar with partitions/disks having UUIDs. What about them in particular?	23:43
meLon	The drive is mounted, but becomes idle	23:43
erica_	I've installed 12.10 today on my inspiron 15 (1545) laptop, it seems a bit slow, when I check syslog I can see that mtp-probe is continually trying and failing to mount /dev/sdb which I think is a card reader that I do not care about, I cannot disable mtp-probe, can anyone tell me how?	23:44
qin	meLon: while [ 1 ]; do touch /media/usbdrive/nosleep; sleep 10; done	23:44
Iceman_B	does running fsck.ext4 with the -c option save the bad blocks data to the hdd itself?	23:45
Iceman_B	if not ,where does it store that info?	23:45
brotherBox	Hi people. Does anyone know how to get logkeys, the keylogger, running under Ubuntu 13.04? It is for a legit purpose of recording myself entering passwords. My output log is always empty and I couldnt fidn anything about it online	23:45
betrayd	Iceman_B type 'man fsck' in a terminal for an explanation of parameters	23:46
Iceman_B	betrayd: yeah I did that already	23:46
betrayd	but AFAIK, bad blocks, they're gone	23:46
meLon	Thanks, qin They are actually PV's though :\	23:46
brotherBox	Please dont mistake me for a stupid kid or anything, I am struggling with getting an encrypted backup restored. I have it on another machine over ssh and can only enter one password at a time. I must have made a mistake while entering it	23:47
Siecje	why do I have .txt~ files?	23:48
brotherBox	So I apply one of the techiques explained here https://live.gnome.org/DejaDup/Help/Restore/WorstCase to get one of the archives onto my computer and decrypted etc	23:48
brotherBox	Siecje, backup	23:48
zykotick9	Siecje: backup file from vi?	23:48
brotherBox	But when I have entered my password, I dont know what "mistake" I made that got it right. Any help how to record my keystrokes?	23:48
Siecje	I use gedit	23:48
brotherBox	That does it too	23:48
qin	Siecje: backup from gedit	23:49
Siecje	but they are tiny?	23:49
Ari-Yang	I think you can prevent the backing up	23:49
jpmh	when I look at "connection information" it tells me my primary, secondary and tertiary DNS is 127.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 4.2.2.2 - how do I see this info at the command line	23:51
jpmh	resolv.conf is NOT the answer, it just shows the primary	23:51
juniour	hi	23:52
betrayd	well resolv.conf isnt really a command	23:52
rypervenche	jpmh: But that is the answer. You may be using a different network manager that uses some other file, I don't know what your setup is though.	23:52
whizndr-	hey everyone...i installed ubuntu along my windows 8 that came preloaded...grub couldnt load Win8 so i ran boot repair then it works...but when i tried to reboot back to ubuntu it see,s like Win8 wiped out grub...any ideas why?	23:53
betrayd	Win8 doesn't know about linux, jack about grub	23:53
whizndr-	i get that...but i didnt do anything to make it overwrite the bootloader	23:54
n0yd	whizndr-, are you using UEFI?	23:54
whizndr-	n0yd: i think so...it is a brand new sony vaio	23:55
n0yd	ya thats probably the issue	23:55
dr_willis	so the system booted normally into linux, untill you booted into windows8 then windows 8 aparently automatically removed grub?	23:55
n0yd	when you are booting windows its rewriting the bootloader, because of the secure boot or something	23:55
whizndr-	yes dr_willis...	23:55
n0yd	I know uefi does weird stuff when windows is installed to a secure uefi	23:56
dr_willis	might want to ask in #windows how to disable that	23:56
whizndr-	n0yd, is there a fix? :/	23:56
jpmh	rypervenche: the problem with resolv.conf is that it is showing only the first, somehow the nm-applet knows of the seond and third, how does it do it?	23:56
n0yd	Can you go into the BIOS and set it to legacy mode?	23:56
whizndr-	secure boot is disabled...	23:56
n0yd	Ok, but was windows installed before the secure boot was disabled?	23:56
dr_willis	could be some anti-virus app on windows	23:56
n0yd	Ive seen all sorts of quirks with UEFI and the weird things windows will do	23:57
n0yd	And this was one of em	23:57
whizndr-	dang it lol	23:58
n0yd	You are probably gonna have to reinstall windows with the secure boot disabled, also dont install windows by usb	23:58
whizndr-	what advantage would uefi give me?	23:58
n0yd	When you install windows 8 by usb on UEFI it automatically makes it act weird	23:58
n0yd	I forget the exact issue, but you should install via dvd	23:59
n0yd	whizndr-, not much, obviously the secure bootloader crap.... oh and being "windows 8 certified"	23:59
whizndr-	lol	23:59
n0yd	All windows 8 certfied pcs come with uefi unfortunately	23:59
whizndr-	i have to backup my music then lol	23:59

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