[00:00] <tinti> is cherokee package missing on raring?
[00:04] <onkle> hola
[00:09] <Dr_willis> !info cherokee
[00:09] <Dr_willis> !find cherokee
[00:11] <tones> easiest gui disk image software for ubuntu? not dd, clonezilla?
[00:12] <dark_djinn> i'm trying to deal with getting an ssl cert for ubuntu
[00:12] <dark_djinn> what is the default lamp ssl method on ubuntu?
[00:13] <xirre> How do you check the current CPU Usage that a process is using by using its PID? It needs to be outputted for use by a third party program. (Like how I would get the PID by doing echo "$!" > '/home/directory/file.txt' after a command is initially ran.) -- I was told earlier to use ps -p <pid> -o %cpu  but i'd like to store this information momentarily so a third party can retrieve it and delete it after it has received it.
[00:14] <tones> !clonezilla
[00:15] <thefunc5> tones: i just use eusus disk copy, super easy and uber effective
[00:15] <thefunc5> runs off a live cd and clones both linux and windows installations without issue
[00:15] <Gabboz> tones, redobackup.org is worth looking at too
[00:16] <tones> will look at both thanks
[00:16] <thefunc5> never heard of that one, but i do like how itll backup to network shares, that looks REALLY nice
[00:16] <Gabboz> thefunc5, how does easeus handle drives with different sizes(upon restore)?
[00:16] <killmaker> hi
[00:16] <Gabboz> thefunc5, redo works quite well.
[00:17] <thefunc5> gabboz, it doesnt seem to care lol
[00:17] <echoe> God I just realized that ll is an alias of ls
[00:17] <echoe> ... learning via experience sucks sometimes.
[00:17] <Gabboz> thefunc5, good. ive found free recovery apps can get grouchy with that..good to see it become a thing of the past
[00:17] <killmaker> i have a peoblem
[00:17] <Dr_willis> echoe,  'alias' command may show more. ;)
[00:17] <thefunc5> i havent tried it other than one time, mapped a 300gb disk to a 128gb ssd and it worked just fine, paritioned it fine and to the brim
[00:17] <echoe> Dr willis I know. :p it does ls -l
[00:17] <thefunc5> but note, i have only done that ONCE, havent tried it other than that on etime
[00:18] <killmaker> how do i bypass secure boot
[00:18] <echoe> I was spoofing uptime and learned that bit already. Just blah.
[00:18] <thefunc5> killmaker secure boot on windows 8?
[00:18] <Dr_willis> disable it in the bios i belive killmaker
[00:18] <comodo_dragon> i haev Ubuntu 6.10 installed, but I am having trouble installing LibreOffice.
[00:18] <killmaker> yes
[00:18] <Dr_willis> comodo_dragon,  6.10? that was a typo right?
[00:18] <comodo_dragon> no
[00:18] <comodo_dragon> version 6.10
[00:18] <killmaker> i did disabled it but ubuntu won't load
[00:19] <thefunc5> ...by the gods how long has that box been up and running comodo?
[00:19] <Dr_willis> that is over 6 yrs old.. time to upgrade.
[00:19] <comodo_dragon> 6years or so
[00:19] <Dr_willis> !eol or read about using EOL releases
[00:19] <Dr_willis> !eol
[00:19] <Dr_willis> !6.10
[00:19] <Dr_willis> its been eol for 5 yrs. ;)
[00:20] <comodo_dragon> heh,ok
[00:20] <killmaker> tried to disable it but ubuntu still won't boot
[00:21] <killmaker> any idea what to do with eufi config
[00:22] <thefunc5> killmaker, when you googled about your computer model and ubuntu install what was the consensus?
[00:30] <AutoMatriX> hi folks,
[00:30]  * AutoMatriX is back, after a bit less than a year
[00:32] <PyGuy> Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX working in 12.04.2?
[00:32] <Dako300> Anything more specific?
[00:32] <AutoMatriX> PyGuy, might be a bit more precise in your question,
[00:33] <Legits> I need help with a broken initramfs.
[00:33] <PyGuy> Well, firstly, can someone tell me how to get my 12.04.2 install to kernel 3.5 in the supported way?
[00:33] <strugz> PyGuy type dmesg
[00:34] <Dako300> You should be able to upgrade it and it will upgrade the kernel
[00:34] <Dr_willis> PyGuy,  i think someone mentioned enabling the backports repo earlier
[00:34] <Dr_willis> !backports
[00:34] <strugz> PyGuy apt-get upgrade
[00:34] <PyGuy> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." and I'm still on 3.2.x
[00:34] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/257617/how-can-i-upgrade-the-ubuntu-12-04-2-kernel-to-3-5-0-23
[00:35] <Dr_willis> first google hit for '12.04 kernel 3.5'
[00:35] <Dako300> That may be because you are running a LTS
[00:35] <PyGuy> Yeah I'm running LTS.
[00:35] <Dako300> pretty much, you have no upgrades ubtill 12.04.3
[00:35] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-quantal
[00:35] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal
[00:36] <PyGuy> Will I still be able to get support if I do that?
[00:36] <Dr_willis> Its in the standard repos.. so yes
[00:36] <Rubbissh> so, how do i download ubuntu on my windows 8 with a usb stick?
[00:36] <Dr_willis>  12 down vote accepted
[00:36] <Dr_willis> 	
[00:36] <Dr_willis> New deployments of 12.04.2 will be installed with an updated kernel and a new X windows stack.
[00:36] <Dr_willis> oops.. pasted to much. ;)
[00:37] <Dr_willis> Rubbissh,  use some of the tools at the pendrivelinux web site perhaps?
[00:37] <strugz> Rubbissh apt-get install usb-creator-kde
[00:37] <Dako300> I need help with my sound, It works perfectly fine but the sound is also coming out of the PC speaker. I checked and I DO NOT have pcspkr as a module (I am running the kernel that came with Ubuntu,3.8)
[00:38] <Dr_willis> the 'pcspkr' module is for the old 'beeper
[00:38] <Dr_willis>  type speaker as far as i know. its possible the pc has some other sort of built in sound as well thats not using that module
[00:38] <rmobenchain> just ran bad blocks via terminal and received the following message: badblocks: Unknown code ext2 70 adding to in-memory bad block list.  what does this mean?
[00:38] <Dako300> The scary thing is, is that in the BIOS I disabled the PC speaker.
[00:39] <Dako300> Your hard drive is going bad
[00:39] <Dr_willis> that might be just for the old type beeper-type-speaker.
[00:39] <zykotick9> Dako300: i'd try "lsmod | grep snd_" is anything listed that could be the pc speaker related?
[00:40] <Dako300> If it helps, I am using a crap computer from 2003
[00:40] <rmobenchain> dako300: was your hard drive going bad response in regards to my question?
[00:40] <Dako300> The closest thing is snd_pcm
[00:40] <PyGuy_> Alrighty, so my Sound Blaster ZX is detected, but not outputting any sound
[00:40] <Dako300> rmobenchain: yes
[00:41] <rmobenchain> Dako300: ok.  thanks.  what I've been suspecting as well.
[00:41] <zykotick9> Dako300: i don't think snd_pcm is related.  well, good luck (i seem to remember a snd_SMOTHING that was pc speaker related, but don't see it on my system either...)
[00:43] <PyGuy_> Anyone have any ideas?
[00:43] <Dako300> The modules listed are, snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0,snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device (I just copied that from the dependencies of snd)
[00:43] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks, I'm setting up an local ubuntu-mirror . Is there any way to see (follow) whcih files are currently being downloaded ?APT-Mirror does not give much feedback :(
[00:43] <ubuntu__> guys, I-m gonna install ubuntu. I didn-t make a swap because I currently have 8gb of ram. also, if anything I will be usin zram. however, what do you think_
[00:44] <Gabboz> ubuntu__, you can always make a swap file if you want.
[00:44] <ubuntu__> yeah, I don-t want to, but I wanna know if it might decrease my performance as I have 8gb of ram
[00:44] <Dako300> No, not unless you are playing games
[00:44] <Gabboz> ubuntu__, if you tune swappiness it wont matter
[00:45] <Gabboz> ubuntu__, beware if you surpass 8Gb of needed ram you crash..period.
[00:45] <ubuntu__> Gabboz, Dako300I have integrated card so, I rarely and barely play. what is that swappiness thing_
[00:45] <zykotick9> Dako300: i wouldn't think any of those are the cause?  but obviously the output is coming from somewhere (i just don't know where).  in "alsamixer" does F6 have some other card with a pc speaker you can mute/turn down perhaps?
[00:45] <Dr_willis> safest thing to do would be make a 2gb or so swap file.
[00:46] <Gabboz> ubuntu__, http://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness
[00:46] <thpe> is there a way to make the XF86AudioRaiseVolume key raise the volume in pulseaudio?
[00:46] <ubuntu__> btw, I-ve used 13.04 and found the auto/hide behaviour to be buggy, have someelse experience problems making it appear_
[00:47] <Dako300> I need help with my sound, It works perfectly fine but the sound is also coming out of the PC speaker. I checked and I DO NOT have pcspkr as a module (I am running the kernel that came with Ubuntu,3.8)
[00:47] <PyGuy_> Hey guys. Can someone help me getting my Sound Blaster ZX working? It's detected but no sound is coming out of my headphones.
[00:47] <Dako300> PyGuy_, do you have the modules for it?
[00:48] <PyGuy_> I'm not sure, Dako300
[00:48] <Dako300> PyGuy_, how do you know its "detected"
[00:48] <PyGuy_> How might I get them?
[00:49] <PyGuy_> Well, in pavucontrol the sound bar pulses along with the sound as I play a youtube video, but nothing comes out of the headphones
[00:49] <Dako300> PyGuy_, if you didnt do anything with the kernel, they should be there (and without it, the sould card couldnt be recognized)
[00:49] <Dr_willis> unless its just sending output to the wrong jack.
[00:49] <Dr_willis> or wrong soundcard
[00:50] <PyGuy_> Good point
[00:50] <spoon> hi there, does anyone have the commands or download link to get broadcom wifi drivers?
[00:50] <Dr_willis> !broadcom | spoon
[00:50] <PyGuy_> So what do I do?
[00:50] <Dr_willis> try the other jacks?
[00:51] <Dr_willis> ive also had sound try to go out my HDMI when i neede it to go out the analog ports
[00:51] <PyGuy_> Hmmm there's only one headphone jack on the card
[00:52] <Dr_willis> most jacks are configurable.. try the other ones..
[00:52] <Ari-Yang> Dr_willis, you're having problems with sound coming out through the tv via hdmi?
[00:52] <Dako300> PyGuy_, Where is the bar thats for the sound exactly.
[00:52] <Dr_willis> Ari-Yang,  i was - untill i switched to the 3.9 kernel. :)
[00:52] <PyGuy_> Dako300: In pavucontrol, on the Output devices tab
[00:53] <Ari-Yang> Dr_willis, ah, was going to ask if you're on radeon, and if you were you might have had to add something to grub
[00:54] <Dr_willis> Ari-Yang,  theres some hdmi audio bug in 13.04 with some of the kernels - seems to affect a lot of differnt  chipsets. a fix is supposed to be in the works or out.. but i got sick of waiting and  tried the 3.9 kernel that works ;)
[00:54] <Ari-Yang> heh, nice
[00:54] <Dr_willis> but since im using that.. i dont know if the fix has been released
[00:55] <davidbuhau> need a little help with sharing and mounting an installed fat32 drive
[00:57] <Dr_willis> !windows
[00:57] <Dr_willis> which factoid is it. ;)
[00:57] <Dr_willis> !vfat
[00:57] <Dako300> PyGuy_: Try running lsmod | grep snd_ and does anything like emu10k pop up?
[00:57] <Dako300> I also have a SB card
[00:58] <davidbuhau> so i have no idea what i have done differently this time.  i have a small server running ubuntu 12.04.  last time i was able to easily tell nautilus to auto mount the drive on startup... for whatever reason i cannot get it to auto mount this time
[00:58] <PyGuy_> Dako300: I'm not seeing anything that says emu10k
[00:58] <Dr_willis> davidbuhau,  auto mount at BOOT time.. you make a fstab entry
[00:58] <Dr_willis> davidbuhau,  otherwise nautilus can auto mount it on first access via the 'gvfs' features of nautilus
[00:58] <Dako300> PyGuy_: What does pop up?
[00:59] <Dr_willis> davidbuhau,  if you want to make it a windows share. you will want a fstab entry for it
[00:59] <davidbuhau> i also was very easily able to share the drive just using the share menu in the properties, allowing others to read/write on the drive by simply saying essentially "yes, change the permissions for me".  neither of these things are working for me this time... so frustrating
[00:59] <Dr_willis> davidbuhau,  the 'ntfs-config' tool can make a entry for it.
[00:59] <PyGuy_> Dako300: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5708649/
[01:00] <davidbuhau> i don't mind having to remote in to mount the drive on restart i guess, but the permissions thing is really getting under my skin
[01:00] <Dako300> PyGuy_:I am stumped
[01:01] <Gabboz> davidbuhau, add that drive to your fstab
[01:01] <PyGuy_> Dako300: Ah, ok. Thanks anyway.
[01:02] <davidbuhau> can i use gconf-editor to do that?
[01:02] <PyGuy_> Can anyone else help me with getting my Sound Blaster ZX to work in 12.04.2 64-bit?
[01:03] <Gabboz> davidbuhau, no, thats not the tool
[01:03] <dark_djinn> ok, now needing help with getting mail
[01:03] <davidbuhau> okay, i've used that before for auto-mount... it's been ages since i've fiddled around with any of the configurations, i just use ubuntu to get things done mostly
[01:03] <dark_djinn> it seems to receive the mail to my vps, but doesn't appear to forward it to the user
[01:03] <Dr_willis> davidbuhau,  to share a vfat via samba - you will need to mount it with the right options.
[01:04] <Gabboz> davidbuhau, if you must go gui way, check out http://pysdm.sourceforge.net/
[01:04] <spoon> how can I find which wireless card/adapter is in my laptop to get the correct drivers? lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4 does not return anything.
[01:04] <AutoMatriX> trying it in another way : can someone tell me how to monitor the name of the actually incoming files ?
[01:04] <Dr_willis> ntfs-config can auto-add a fstab line for the vfat...
[01:05] <davidbuhau> okay psydm looks easy enough to figure out...
[01:06] <davidbuhau> i will start with that and do a bit more research before i come back in here and bug you guys! :)
[01:06] <Dr_willis> id suggest backing up your /etc/fstab BEFOR using that tool davidbuhau
[01:06] <PyGuy_> Hey guys. Can someone help me getting my Sound Blaster ZX working? It's detected but no sound is coming out of my headphones.
[01:06] <davidbuhau> good suggestion
[01:06] <Dr_willis> learning the basics of fstab is also a good idea.
[01:14] <fl_rider> I am looking for some assistance compiling darkice
[01:15] <Dr_willis> !info darkice
[01:15] <Dr_willis> the apt-get build-deps packagename     can help by pulling in all needed deps to compile the source.
[01:15] <fl_rider> by default mp3 support is disabled
[01:16] <Dr_willis> then theres that other tool that compiles source and builds a deb.
[01:17] <fl_rider> I have downloaded the source and have all the other dependencies installed
[01:17] <StarOnD> I want to install grub2 on a new external HDD. and then install a few different kind of linux distros. any tips?
[01:17] <Legits> Still having an issue with initramfs. I just installed Kubuntu over LUKS on LVM on GPT. initramfs has no idea how to boot things up.
[01:18] <Dr_willis> StarOnD,  the other disrtos should install grub to the hdd as part of their install.
[01:18] <earc> hello, i just installed 13.04 for the first time and i cant install additional drivers
[01:18] <Legits> Additional drives for what?
[01:19] <Legits> *drivers
[01:19] <Chat4661> Hello
[01:19] <earc> Legits, my NVIDIA video card
[01:20] <Legits> It doesn't work to just apt-get install nvidia-current?
[01:20] <earc> Legits, GeForce 660Ti
[01:21] <earc> Legits, I didnt know about that, let me try. Thanks!
[01:21] <StarOnD> dr_willis will I be tied down to the first distro that I install ? what if I want to gt rid of the distro in case  I dont find it easy to use?
[01:23] <PyGuy_> Hey guys. Can someone help me getting my Sound Blaster ZX working? It's detected but no sound is coming out of my headphones.
[01:28] <WeThePeople> pyguy_, what distro and do you dual boot?
[01:28] <PyGuy_> WeThePeople: 12.04.2 64-bit and no I don't dual boot
[01:28] <earc> Legits, after i do that, that's it? how do i check if im using the drivers?
[01:28] <WeThePeople> pyguy_, laptop or desktop
[01:29] <PyGuy_> desktop
[01:29] <betrayd> StarOn you can pick your next liveCD sitro, to install it will have similar GPARTED tools to overwite
[01:29] <Dr_willis> PyGuy_,  an interesting test would be to see if a 13.04 live cd correctly handles the card. You  have disabled any onboard sound cards in the bios?
[01:30] <PyGuy_> Dr_willis: I'll try that! But first, how do I disable sound cards in the bios?
[01:30] <Dr_willis> look in your bios se4ttings..  theres to much varity in them for me to know where
[01:32] <erpo> usb-creator-gtk is segfaulting each time I try to create a bootable USB drive for Ubuntu 13.04 AMD64. Any suggestions?
[01:33] <Dr_willis> erpo,  you can use 'dd' to image the iso file straight to the usb. or try some of the other tools at the pendrivelinux site
[01:33] <Dr_willis> weird that its segfaulting
[01:33] <spoon> how do i make a rule for something to be the target of a make command?
[01:34] <erpo> Dr_willis: Are you serious? You can just dd a bootable ISO to a USB mass storage device that doesn't emulate an optical drive in hardware, and the PC will just boot from it?
[01:34] <zykotick9> erpo: if you have a linux host, just cat or dd the iso to the USB drive (eg, sdb) - NOT sdb1 which is a partition.  it wipes everything that's on that usb, so be SURE you have the right drive!
[01:34] <erpo> zykotick9: That's insane. I almost can't believe it, but I'll give it a try.
[01:34] <cjbirk> i am the plunderer
[01:34] <cjbirk> the great icelandic snow king
[01:34] <cjbirk> and i use ubuntu.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> erpo,  dding the iso stright to usb has been a fetaure of ubuntu for some time now.. its been a feature of a great many other linux disrtos for years
[01:35] <spoon> why is this returning an error root@QuiSu:/home/alexandre# make file:///home/alexandre/aer/rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0003.0628.2010/Makefile
[01:35] <Dr_willis> erpo,  the trick is the ISO has to be 'made' to support that feature
[01:35] <zykotick9> erpo: it only works with "hybrid" ISOs.
[01:35] <spoon> it says make: *** No rule to make target `file:///home/alexandre/aer/rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0003.0628.2010/Makefile'.  Stop.
[01:35] <Dr_willis> erpo,  earlier ubuntu isos did not suppport hybrid.
[01:35] <Dr_willis> about 11.10 and earlier I think....
[01:35] <erpo> Dr_willis: That's less nuts.
[01:36] <Dr_willis> erpo,  or you can put grub2 on the usb.. and boot ISO files.. ;) thats even a niftier trick
[01:36] <AutoMatriX> hello again, can someone tell me ho to monitor the NAMES of the incoming files ? I tried ifstat but that only gives me the speed :(
[01:36] <Dr_willis> AutoMatriX,  incomming from what?
[01:36] <spoon> anyone help out? i cant get a make command to run
[01:37] <AutoMatriX> Dr_willis, I'm runing apt-mirror for the moment
[01:37] <betrayd> spoon did you run ./configure?
[01:38] <AutoMatriX> Dr_willis, is that enough info for you ?
[01:38] <betrayd> they usually ahve a readme
[01:38] <Dr_willis> AutoMatriX,  so you want to monitor what apt-mirror is downloading?
[01:38] <Basil1x> OK... 13.04 shows error: 'Location Already Mounted' on DVD insertion.  As there is obviously no DVD already inserted, is there any way to make the error stop?  Even with the error, the drive works normally with the DVD.
[01:38] <AutoMatriX> Dr_willis, absolutely
[01:38] <Dr_willis> perhaps apt-mirror has some verbose logging features.. ive never used it.
[01:38] <spoon> betrayd: readme says to go to the directory, which i'm sudo'ed into in terminal and run the command make which is returning an error
[01:39] <erpo> AutoMatriX: Why do you want to monitor what apt-mirror is downloading?
[01:39] <spoon> ./configure returns an error as well betrayd
[01:40] <betrayd> the sudo might be throwing it off, just a hunch
[01:40] <AutoMatriX> Dr_willis, cannot find any in the man-pages
[01:40] <spoon> didn't think of that, the readme says to sudo
[01:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> hallo. odd issue here. while creating a symlink for ruby (it has stupidly placed .h files, lol) the resultant link is always broken, am I doing something wrong here?
[01:40] <AutoMatriX> erpo, it's les annoying when you see what's happening
[01:40] <betrayd> spoon dont run make without configure running finishing cleanly
[01:41] <erpo> AutoMatriX: So, if there were some easy way to monitor the progress of the download, that is all you would be looking for.
[01:41] <spoon> betrayd: so i should get into the directory, non sudo, run configure, then see if that works before make
[01:41] <AutoMatriX> erpo, if you can tell me what to install to see which files are iincoming, that would be very nice of you
[01:42] <spoon> there is no configure found in the directory
[01:42] <erpo> AutoMatriX: What is the directory apt-mirror is downloading to?
[01:43] <ulkesh> spoon, what is it you're trying to build?  (do you have a URL to the download of the package?)
[01:43] <AutoMatriX> erpo, good question, I'm going to check that out ...;
[01:43] <spoon> ulkesh: it's a wifi driver. link here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
[01:44] <AutoMatriX> erpo it's going into the spoolerdirectory of /var/www/.... etc
[01:44] <erpo> AutoMatriX: Run this command: grep base_path /etc/apt/mirror.list
[01:44] <PyGuy> Yeah, neither disabling the onboard sound or trying 13.04 solved the issue
[01:45] <ulkesh> spoon, which driver and which kernel?
[01:45] <spoon> More specifically looking use the RTL8188CE one
[01:45] <AutoMatriX> erpo, /var/spool/apt-mirror
[01:45] <erpo> AutoMatriX: Try this command:   watch du -sh /var/spool/apt-mirror
[01:46] <ulkesh> spoon, which kernel target?  2.6.24 and later?
[01:46] <spoon> ulkesh: yes, I think that's right since I'm using a fresh ubuntu install
[01:46] <erpo> AutoMatriX: It may take a while to get started, but it will tell you how many GB have been downloaded so far. A complete download is around 50GB.
[01:46] <PyGuy> Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX working on Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit?
[01:46] <ulkesh> spoon, ok, i'll give it a go..you may simply be missing the linux-headers package or something, i'll see what it says on my system
[01:47] <spoon> okay, thank you ulkesh
[01:47] <AutoMatriX> erpo, since I  mirror both architectures, MAD64 and the 32 bit, I'm around 100 Gigs, without the sources
[01:48] <erpo> AutoMatriX: I wouldn't know. Is that command giving you a meaningful progress indicator?
[01:48] <AutoMatriX> erpo, 97G     /var/spool/apt-mirror but no filenames :(
[01:49] <erpo> AutoMatriX: Well, that's about as good as I know how to get for a progress indicator.
[01:51] <AutoMatriX> erpo, thanks but that does not help me ...is ubuntu not keeping a *.logfile of the file I/O ?
[01:51] <ulkesh> spoon, yeah that driver is fubar...it won't build for me either even having what i expect are all the prereqs
[01:52] <spoon> damn. i guess ill try to find another driver tomorrow.
[01:52] <ulkesh> spoon, this is the reason developers should produce a configure script...it would guarantee all the prereqs exist
[01:52] <ulkesh> spoon, sorry man :(
[01:52] <spoon> it's alright, thanks for working with me
[01:53] <PyGuy> Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX working on Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit?
[01:53] <ulkesh> spoon, np, sorry i wasn't any help, good luck!
[01:53] <BourneAgainShell> Hey everyone, I'm trying to add some info to the community help wiki for a workaround I found to a driver issue, but I can't seem to load the file (says I don't have permission to) - How can I send the info to the team working on the help pages? The link for the specific page I want to edit is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro6-2/Precise
[01:54] <WeThePeople> pyguy_, did you check the additional drivers gui
[01:54] <WeThePeople> pyguy, ^^^
[01:54] <PyGuy> WeThePeople: Yeah I did. There's nothing there. Just blank.
[01:55] <WeThePeople> pyguy, i had the same prob
[01:55] <WeThePeople> pyguy, when i turned my laptop completely off andback on again they work, ut when i reboot they dont
[01:56] <max2> hola
[01:56] <PyGuy> Umm, ok. Lemme give that a go.
[01:56] <WeThePeople> pyguy, do you have gnome3 installed or are you using unity?
[01:57] <migadoo> What requires restart
[01:57] <betrayd> spoon go back to that directory bec, you said you ran ./configure
[01:57] <WeThePeople> migadoo, sudo shutdown -r now
[01:57] <WeThePeople> that will restart your machine
[01:58] <WeThePeople> migadoo, can yo explain a little better?
[01:58] <migadoo> No
[01:59] <WeThePeople> tuff question
[02:00] <Gabboz_AFK> migadoo, kernel updates require reboots
[02:03] <donavan01> does anyone why my usb drive is showing double the capacity that it should have
[02:09] <Legits> Anyone have any idea on my broken initramfs?
[02:10] <WeThePeople> legits, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Initramfs
[02:10] <PyGuy> Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit?
[02:11] <PyGuy> WeThePeople: Turning the computer off and on didn't help :c
[02:11] <WeThePeople> pyguy, are you using unity or gnome
[02:11] <PyGuy> Unity
[02:11] <WeThePeople> might i suggest installing gnome
[02:11] <WeThePeople> gnome3
[02:12] <PyGuy> Will a GNOME3 based distro work, such as Cinnamon?
[02:12] <Gabboz_AFK> PyGuy, try it live first
[02:14] <WeThePeople> pyguy, have you checked alsa
[02:14] <WeThePeople> and pulseaudio settings
[02:15] <PyGuy> WeThePeople: Yeah, I've checked alsamixer and pavucontrol. Pavucontrol detects sound, but nothing comes out of my headphones
[02:15] <ransom> howdy
[02:15] <Legits> WeThePeople, I'm not sure that helps. I think initramfs is missing a hook (or has them in the wrong order). Is this something I can configure manually? update-initramfs doesn't get me anywhere.
[02:16] <AutoMatriX> erpo, I found that cat /var/spool/apt-mirror/var/archive-log.0 | grep dsc is giving me the latest sourcefiles ... that's already something
[02:17] <WeThePeople> legits, idk
[02:18] <WeThePeople> pyguy, something might be conflicting between alsa and pulseaudio
[02:18] <Dlt_mark^> Hi all, I would like to know how to fix when i use 'tcpdump -i eth0 vlan 6' there is no packet displayed on the screen but when I use My Apple mac it work great?
[02:19] <PyGuy> WeThePeople: That would make sense. Should I do something like purge pulseaudio?
[02:19] <spoon> betrayd: yeah, ./configure gives an error though. emailed realtek,hopefully they'll help
[02:21] <WeThePeople> pyguy, http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/
[02:21] <betrayd> spoon have you pastebinned the error somewhere
[02:21] <codepython777> when one uses useradd to create a new user, what is the default password?
[02:22] <spoon> betrayd: it's just a make error, make: Nothing to be done for `/home/alexandre/r/rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0006.0321.2011/Makefile'.
[02:23] <jrib> codepython777: what makes you think there is one ;)  Hint: you probably want to use "adduser" and not "useradd"
[02:23] <spoon> betrayd: here's the longform pastebin http://pastebin.com/FnkjzkkV
[02:26] <PyGuy> WeThePeople: That didn't help :/
[02:27] <blackrock> Dash says: "sorry, there is nothing that matches your search"
[02:27] <WeThePeople> pyguy, can you get any sound from the sound card
[02:27] <blackrock> It should find a result /12.04
[02:28] <PyGuy> WeThePeople: Can't hear a thing
[02:28] <Gabboz_AFK> PyGuy, you certain the card works?  have you tried other speakers/earbuds to rule that out?
[02:29] <blackrock> But it shows purchasable music results, though
[02:30] <PyGuy> Gabboz_AFK: Yeah, the sound card works. I have tried other headphones and speakers
[02:36] <santoshbit2007__> hi All
[02:36] <santoshbit2007__> any   Mouse Event Experts available  here ??
[02:36] <santoshbit2007__> any   Mouse Event Experts available  here ??
[02:45] <Gabboz_AFK> santoshbit2007, just type out your question. it's easier that way for the rest of us
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[02:50] <codepython777> when one uses useradd to create a new user, what is the default password?
[02:51] <ObrienDave> myth: try gentoo-ru
[02:51] <ObrienDave> myth: /join #gentoo-ru
[02:51] <Gabboz_AFK> codepython777, if you are on a desktop version it wont matter.. you cant login until a password is set
[02:51] <Gabboz_AFK> other than that, ive never tested out any further
[02:52] <codepython777> Gabboz_AFK: I'm on a server, and i see a script generating accounts without setting passwords. Seems like a security problem to me. Unless I'm mistaken
[02:53] <jrib> codepython777: same answer as before...
[02:53] <jrib> codepython777: what do you want to accomplish?
[02:53] <codepython777> jrib: Just want to know if its a security vulnerability to create accounts without setting the password using useradd?
[02:54] <jrib> codepython777: why would it be?
[02:54] <codepython777> Or does it create a secure random password
[02:54]  * AutoMatriX is going to leave soon, thanks for the help, guys ;)
[02:54] <jrib> codepython777: try logging in and see
[02:54] <Gabboz_AFK> codepython777, can you make an acct, logout and see if blank gets you in?
[02:54] <codepython777> It does not
[02:54] <Gabboz_AFK> also, can you read the source of this script?
[02:54] <codepython777> that much i tried
[02:55] <Gabboz_AFK> ok
[02:55] <jrib> codepython777: so, do you have any more questions?
[02:55] <betrayd> spoon you still around?
[02:55] <codepython777> Gabboz_AFK:  Here is the python script line: "sudo /usr/sbin/useradd %s -m -s /bin/bash -d %s/%s" % (newuser, HOME, newuser)
[02:56] <jrib> codepython777: what are you actually trying to accomplish?  What is your end-goal?
[02:57] <Gabboz> jrib, my guess is he encountered this and wants to grasp if its a sec hole.
[02:57] <codepython777> Gabboz: Exactly
[02:58] <jrib> codepython777: you can't login until you set a password
[02:58] <codepython777> thats good enough, thanks.
[02:58] <Gabboz> thats what i thought. :)
[02:58] <jrib> codepython777: I'd still urge you to share what led you to this question because there might be a better way to do whatever it is you are trying to do
[03:00] <codepython777> jrib: On one of our servers, we create users automatically based on who registers on a webserver. I was just wondering if the adduser had a security problem.
[03:01] <jrib> codepython777: ok, well if you care for details, check the /etc/shadown line for the user and then read "man shadow" about what a ! means
[03:03] <codepython777> jrib: Thanks. How do i set "!" for a given user?
[03:03] <jrib> codepython777: when lock an account (passwd -l), that should happen
[03:03] <jrib> codepython777: (sort of; see passwd's man page)
[03:04] <SARC> Is there a way to get the package name from a metapackage from the command line?  For example, to find out that "mysql-server-5.5" is the package pointed to by "mysql-server"?
[03:04] <codepython777> jrib: I tried "passwd -l username" -- but the /etc/shadow line does not change?
[03:04] <jrib> SARC: you want to look for packages that PROVIDE a certain package?
[03:04] <jrib> codepython777: it should add a ! to the front
[03:04] <jrib> codepython777: (of the password hash)
[03:05] <codepython777> it did
[03:05] <codepython777> didnt notice it with the large hash.
[03:05] <ObrienDave> SARC: or do you want to know the PARENT package name?
[03:08] <SARC> jrib: Well here's what I am trying to do.  I have a script that does an unattended install of mysql.  I store the root password, and use apt to install.  Instead of specifying mysql-server5.5 (or whatever the latest version would be at any given time), I use the metapackage name mysql-server.  When I try to purge the root password from the selections database, I cannot use the package name
[03:08] <SARC> mysql-server, because the ownership package is mysql-server-5.5. So, I was wondering how I can get mysql-server-5.5 (or whatever the latest version would be at any given time) from the mysql-server metapackage
[03:12] <ayzaaz172> http://q.gs/4214460/ubuntu-23e3
[03:12] <ObrienDave> SARC: wouldn't mysql-server-5.5 be considered a child or a dependency package if mysql-server is the meta or parent?
[03:18] <KxTwo> anyone familiar with pcsx
[03:18] <ShapeShifter499> I have made a ram disk using zram and its stored at /dev/zram2, how do I make sure its writable by my user? (i.e. chown MyUser:MyUser)
[03:19] <BAMbanda> I have an ubuntu 12.04 server vm with a bridged connection to a windows 7 32 bit host
[03:19] <BAMbanda> I cannot ping google.com, but can ping 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2, what could that mean?
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[03:20] <ObrienDave> BAMbanda, possible DNS problem
[03:21] <BAMbanda> ObrienDave, where can I check my dns settings and configure it?
[03:22] <ObrienDave> BAMbanda, not sure, sorry
[03:22] <ShapeShifter499> anyone?
[03:24] <ObrienDave> BAMbanda, not sure but I think DNS is handled by your ISP
[03:25] <BAMbanda> ObrienDave, I just added the public DNS hosted by google (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.4) and it seems to be working. I also have the ones by my ISP. Thanks for the help
[03:25] <emolatur> I am /not/ natively a Linux guy... but I currently have ubuntu on here... I attempted to install Skype... it opens, and works, but crashes if I make a call... when it tries to report the issue, it says the report belongs to a package that is not installed?!
[03:25] <ObrienDave> BAMbanda, no prob
[03:28] <goddard> what is the most lightweight x based DE ?  Does Awesome qualify, or is there something even more basic?
[03:28] <tones> emolatur which version of ubuntu?
[03:28] <emolatur> 13.04
[03:29] <ObrienDave> ShapeShifter499, dont know how to check through terminal. i just right click for properties
[03:31] <tones> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/7-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[03:31] <tones> to fix skype
[03:33] <tones> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/fix-skype-not-working-in-ubuntu-1304.html
[03:33] <tones> or this
[03:33] <ObrienDave> goddard, don't know about the VERY lightest, I use Xubuntu (XFCE) and there is Lubuntu (LXDE)
[03:33] <KxTwo> is pcsx still considered the best ps em for ubuntu?
[03:34] <lewowpard> KxTwo: do we have something better? i'm using it on windows tho
[03:35] <emolatur> Attempting.
[03:35] <KxTwo> well I am just playing with it now but it seems to be missing some basic features
[03:35] <emolatur> I don't think that's it but I'll try it :)
[03:35] <KxTwo> no turbo for one
[03:35] <KxTwo> I also cant play with settings or reset the emulator once i load a game
[03:38] <binhua> õĮĀÕźĮ
[03:42] <KxTwo> We speek english here :)
[03:43] <ShapeShifter499> !CN binhua
[03:43] <ShapeShifter499> oh he left
[03:43] <ShapeShifter499> is that even the right chan code for that?
[03:43] <ShapeShifter499> lol
[03:44] <KxTwo> !CN KxTwo
[03:44] <Dr_willis> !zn
[03:44] <ShapeShifter499> Dr_willis, ah
[03:44] <ObrienDave> !zn
[03:44] <Dr_willis> nope :)
[03:44] <StarOnD> if I have 4 partitions of type ext4 will I need one swap partition for each?
[03:44] <ShapeShifter499> >.<
 Sorry, I don't know anything about zn
[03:45] <ShapeShifter499> !es
[03:45] <ShapeShifter499> !ch
[03:45] <emolatur> Did not fix the problem.
[03:46] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, you would only need one for each one you use for an OS. not really necessary anyway
[03:46] <emolatur> I'll be back later.
[03:46] <somsip> goddard: I don't think awesome is one of the lightest WMs, but I do find it pretty unobtrusive
[03:47] <StarOnD> I am trying out 2 linux distro's , it seemed to me that since it is a substitute for ram it would be just an empty space of type ext4 and any linux OS would be able to handle that,seems from wha you say that each OS will need 1 swap
[03:48] <somsip> StarOnD: awap can be shared
[03:48] <ShapeShifter499> ok I'm trying to set permissions of my ram disk I created with zram located at /dev/zram2   I think I made the udev rules file correctly, does the following look ok? ---> KERNEL=="zram2", SUBSYSTEM=="block", OWNER="lance", MODE="0777"
[03:48] <somsip> *swap
[03:48] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, not really sure, but i would think you would only need one swap partition
[03:49] <dodo3773> StarOnD: No swap is swap not ext4. But you can share it between distros. You can use a swap file too if you wanted instead of a partition as well or you can just not use swap at all
[03:49] <StarOnD> somsip/obirendave,is it worth the trouble ? what is need to share swap? any special software ? I am thinking 5 GB of swap for my 4GB RAM in my ultrabook. I will also sometimes use it on older laptops with less ram
[03:49] <terriyu> StarOnD: I dual-boot two Linux distros and use a single swap partition
[03:50] <somsip> StarOnD: when you partition you just declare swap to be on the same partition to both installers. That's it
[03:51] <lewowpard> i cant save game but what can i say its emulator far from perfect
[03:51] <Dr_willis> run the windows version in wine. ;P
[03:51] <lewowpard> lol
[03:51] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, what somsip said ^^
[03:52] <Gallomimia> you don't even need swap with 4gigs of ram. if you declare 5 gigs of swap under ubuntu, you now have 9 gigs of ram
[03:52] <Gallomimia> of course if you have no swap and you use up all your ram, processes that ask for more will get killed. not much fun
[03:52] <ShapeShifter499> Dr_willis, happen to know anything about udev?
[03:52] <Dr_willis> ShapeShifter499,  ive rarely had to touch it.
[03:52] <HasArrived> Problem with windows games in wine is that console scroll lock will not work.
[03:52] <StarOnD> so I partition my disk and create 3 partitions, 2 for 2 linux distros plus one swap?
[03:53] <somsip> StarOnD: yes
[03:53] <StarOnD> somsip, I did not completely follow what you said since I am not an expert in installing, are you saying when I install the OS then I point to the SAME swap space for each OS ?
[03:54] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, yes
[03:54] <StarOnD> ObirenDave: ahh okay. thank you.
[03:55] <somsip> StarOnD: installer for 1st distro, create (lets say) sda1, sda2, sda3. sda1 is ext4 for 1st distro. sda2 is ext4 for 2nd distro. sda3 is swap for both. Install and format everything. 2nd distro install, sda2 for distro, sda3 for swap. No need to format. Does that help?
[03:55] <HasArrived> Would indeed mean that suspend to disk will only work for the last running OS
[03:56] <somsip> StarOnD: it assume sda1 is / for 1st distro and sda2 is / for 2nd distro of course
[03:56] <Guest22631> ano
[03:56] <StarOnD> one more question : I have a new NTFS drive which I turned into ext4 using gparted, is there a quick way to split it into 4 partitions of type ext4 without resizing it ? I guess with resize I wll have to do it 4 times,no?
[03:57] <somsip> StarOnD: delete NTFS, create 4 new ext4. gparted will format as it goes
[03:57] <somsip> StarOnD: or delete existing ext4 and create 4 new ones. I misread the question
[03:57] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, resize and create the 4 partitions all at the same time
[03:57] <StarOnD> somsip,how do I create 4 new at the same time ??
[03:57] <somsip> StarOnD: one at a time
[03:57] <Guest22631> Hello
[03:58] <ShapeShifter499> guess there is only one way to know if those udev rules will work, REBOOT
[03:58] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, resize the first one, and the other 3, one at a time
[03:58] <Guest22631> my nick is not changin
[03:58] <StarOnD> oh no. that's boring. someone needs to add a feature to gparted : )
[03:59] <ObrienDave> install partitionmanager
[03:59] <HasArrived> Console cfdisk or fdisk will do the job
[03:59] <Gabboz> StarOnD, you want excitement? look into LVM
[04:00] <StarOnD> hasarrrived,okay thank you
[04:00] <StarOnD> for now  I will stick to gparted,will research other options like LVM / partitionmanager later
[04:00] <HasArrived> Much faster than gparted
[04:01] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, you can still do them all at once with gparted.
[04:02] <Soweto> hi
[04:02] <StarOnD> ObrienDave,how is that ?
[04:02] <ObrienDave> give me a sec
[04:03] <PyGuy> Hey guys. Having trouble getting my Sound Blaster ZX card to work in Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit
[04:03] <PyGuy> Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything
[04:04] <HasArrived> Alsamixer?
[04:05] <HasArrived> Pyguy what shows alsamixer?
[04:06] <HasArrived> Console alsamixer
[04:06] <new> hello sir,..
[04:06] <PyGuy> Alsamixer shows the card normally and it's not muted, but again, I can't hear anything
[04:06] <new> can help me
[04:06] <new> can give instruction for safe my computer??
[04:06] <Gabboz> new just type out your problem
[04:06] <new> i use ubuntu 10.04,
[04:07] <new> how to configuration for safe?
[04:07] <Gabboz> you should consider a more recent version.. as for safety, i dont think its patched anymore
[04:07] <new> now, my computer connect to internet
[04:07] <new> and i don't how to check my safe
[04:08] <new> i want know how to setting(simple way) to configuration
[04:08] <Gabboz> enable the firewall
[04:09] <HasArrived> Console: ufw enable
[04:10] <HasArrived> This starts the firewall
[04:10] <new> just now,i have to do it.
[04:10] <HasArrived> But you shoud install ubuntu 13.04 which is in the open since few weeks
[04:10] <tones> from panel, system-administration-firewall configuration
[04:11] <new> yes.this is give massage. (firewall is active and enbled on system startup)
[04:11] <HasArrived> Open console  and type: ufw enable (enter)
[04:11] <Gabboz> new, .. seriously, go to something modern.. 10.04 is too old
[04:11] <new> yes, sir,
[04:12] <new> ubuntu 13.04??
[04:12] <tones> https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 this site will scan all ports on your comuputer
[04:12] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, trying to remember how. brb
[04:12] <Gabboz> new, or 12.04 if you prefer long-term support
[04:12] <Gabboz> myself, i am on 12.04
[04:13] <new> ubuntu 13.04??i want its, but i have limited resource. my connection is low speed
[04:13] <Gabboz> ah
[04:13] <new> www.grc.com------....        <--is this safe for me when i click it?
[04:14] <tones> yes it's safe
[04:14] <HasArrived> You can buy a computer journal with ubuntu live cd at a kiosk.
[04:14] <PyGuy> HasArrived: Got any idea on how I can get sound?
[04:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> hello. I've been a 'buntu user for about a year, and I'm kinda dissapointed in the direction canonical is taking it. could someone suggest an alternative distro? or is this more of an ubuntu-offtopic discussion?
[04:14] <tones> new, it just pings your ports to see which are closed or open
[04:14] <StarOnD> ObrienDave,not a problem take your time : )
[04:15] <HasArrived> 777 try xubuntu. Its like ubuntu was before they started the fancy stuff.
[04:16] <new> ok sir, i will try its.
[04:16] <tones> ntzrmtthuhu777 10.04 lucid
[04:16] <new> but  i have a question,caused my fundamental in network is minus
[04:16] <fractaline> ntzrmtthihu777, what are you unhappy with/
[04:16] <fractaline> ?
[04:16] <new> this is how i connect to internet.  me-->isp provider-->internet
[04:17] <new> when i try to whatismyipaddress, that is show a ip address number?
[04:17] <HasArrived> Xubuntu 13.04
[04:18] <new> my question?,that number who belong? me or my isp provider??
[04:18] <ShapeShifter499> Alright udev rules worked, virtualbox can now access that ram disk
[04:18] <tones> it's your designated address from the ip provider
[04:20] <new> is that mean i connect throught to internet cyber? ( me --->internet )or (me -->isp provider -->internet)
[04:20] <somsip> !ot | new
[04:21] <tones> me-isp provider-internet
[04:22] <tones> your ip number will be different if your using the cafes wifi
[04:22] <new> so, other people who want to hack me,  must to do: hack my isp provider,then hack me?
[04:23] <tones> no
[04:23] <somsip> new: you would be better reading about this elsewhere. It is not an issue for Ubuntu support
[04:23] <arasi> hi all
[04:24] <new> no?, he can hack me without hack my isp provider before?
[04:24] <PyGuy>  Hey guys. Having trouble getting my Sound Blaster ZX card to work in Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit. Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything
[04:25] <new> ok sir, just now i have connected to your link that you give tome,..
[04:25] <new> show:Proceed button
[04:26] <new> am i press it?
[04:26] <somsip> new: can you stop now please. What you are asking is nothing to do with support
[04:26] <HasArrived> Pyguy you could try the ubuntu 13.04 live cd and if it works then upgrade your system to 13.04. (just a try)
[04:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> fractaline: seems canonical is going the way of Mac
[04:27] <PyGuy> HasArrived: I have tried that before but got nothing
[04:27] <somsip> ntzrmtthihu777: it is more of an offtopic discussion
[04:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> somsip: yeah, I figured. why I asked :P
[04:27] <fractaline> ntzrmtthihu777, pm
[04:27] <new> somsip. ok ,i'm sorry about my question
[04:27] <new> caused i am newbie, and you are maybe master than me
[04:27] <somsip> new: if you have a support issue, just ask. But this is not the place to get general advice about security of how interent connections work
[04:28] <new> ok
[04:28] <Gabboz> ntzrmtthihu777, FYI, Mint 15 RC was just released and you might want to check out Pinguy
[04:28] <new> i'm sorry
[04:28] <tones> new, click proceed, and it will give you a readout of your ports security
[04:29] <somsip> tones: it's cool that you're trying to help, but please take this to pm if you want to do this
[04:29] <new> thanks,for somsip , tones, and you all here
[04:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> Gabboz: gave pinguy a shot, but creator left too much cruft in it
[04:30] <new> ok, tones, i have to do it.thx,.
[04:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> its nice for average pc users, but once I started customizing it it started falling apart
[04:30] <somsip> ntzrmtthihu777: given you asked, and you got a reply, it would be polite not to ignore it and please continue this in OT. Thanks
[04:31] <Gabboz> ntzrmtthihu777, yep.. but i wasnt aware what you were looking for
[04:31] <Gabboz> i just recalled.. sabayon is another liked distro ntzrmtthihu777
[04:31] <new> i have question, for my ubuntu,
[04:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> somsip: np. I'm discussing it with fractaline in /q right now, and Gabboz just asked a question, woulda been rude to ignore it :P
[04:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> Gabboz: feel like heading to ot?
[04:32] <Gabboz> ntzrmtthihu777, pm me if ya want
[04:32] <Gabboz> i dont know where ot chan is ;)
[04:32] <somsip> ntzrmtthihu777: you have many options. One of them is to do your best to keep OT chat in the right channel.
[04:32] <somsip> !ot | Gabboz
[04:32] <new> when i try to install packages, conflict libc6 >=2.15 with libc6-i686.
[04:33] <new> who to replace it?
[04:33] <PyGuy>  Hey guys. Having trouble getting my Sound Blaster ZX card to work in Ubuntu 12.04.2 64-bit. Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything
[04:33] <new> its happent when i try to complete perl installation
[04:33] <new> sory not perl, but ruby
[04:33] <new> sory not perl, but ruby
[04:35] <nassion> my screen goes wonky after login, just installed 13.04, anyway to start in 'safe mode' to fix the graphics?
[04:36] <OerHeks> PyGuy, did it ever work, because all i find are bugreports it SB zx does not work.
[04:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> well here is a question that is not ot. I should like to wireless my HP officejet 8600, any assist with that?
[04:36] <PyGuy> OerHeks: Some people on this IRC have gotten it to work before
[04:39] <Dr_willis> ntzrmtthihu777,  that has built in wireless?
[04:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah
[04:40] <Dr_willis> PyGuy,  you may want to post/search on askubuntu.com  and post there what all you have done to try to get it going.
[04:40] <PyGuy> Dr_willis: will do. I'm gonna call it a night.
[04:45] <new> how to replace its? libc6-i686 with libc6>=2.15??
[04:46] <Dr_willis> messing with libc? that can get scary
[04:46] <new> not.
[04:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> Dr_willis: hmm, I just figured it out, I think.
[04:46] <Dr_willis> weird that its even having the issue.
[04:46] <Dr_willis> !info lic6-i686
[04:46] <Dr_willis> !info libc6-i686
[04:47] <Gabboz> haha
[04:47] <new> thx sir, i don't check it before
[04:48] <Dr_willis> or thats not the package name
[04:48] <nassion> my screen goes wonky after login, just installed 13.04, anyway to start in 'safe mode' to fix the graphics?
[04:49] <new> thx dr_willis
[04:51] <Dr_willis> wonky means what exactly. ;)
[04:51] <nassion> lots of lines, compleatly unusable
[04:51] <Dr_willis> if its a 3d/compiz issue. you can install a differnt wm,. and try loging in with that
[04:52] <Dr_willis> such as 'lubuntu'  or even just 'openbox'
[04:52] <Dr_willis> login screen is fine. but the users desktop is messed up.
[04:52] <nassion> the graphics work fine up until the user login screen.
[04:52] <arasi> Hi all...i am using usb to ethernet convertor it's detecting as a usb0 instead of eth0,how i will convert usb0 to eth0,please can anyone can help me to solve this issue...
[04:53] <Gabboz> arasi, what does lsusb tell you about the adapter?
[04:54] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, got it. the trick is to make the entire drive an EXTENDED partition, then create 4 LOGICAL partitions. 3 of EXT4 and 1 swap
[04:54] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, cand be done all at once :))
[04:54] <ObrienDave> *can
[04:55] <ObrienDave> where can I paste a screenshot?
[04:56] <Gabboz> ObrienDave, imgur.com or min.us
[04:56] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, screenshot: http://en.zimagez.com/full/4b5a465f3e23f346329a618ec91320d43b0fbfebbff6ec116924c0fb25bf0a9d114a3c65d8077c859816dc8c48cdf84b692330916a486220.php
[04:57] <ObrienDave> Gabboz, thanks, already had that URL :))
[04:58] <new> sir, i want to ask,.c++=g++ in ubuntu 10.04??
[04:59] <new> c++ = g++ in ubuntu??
[05:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> new: more or less. g++ is the gnu c++ compiler, iirc
[05:01] <new> ok sir,
[05:03] <new> to this century, are we need to learn assembly language in ubuntu 10.04??
[05:03] <new> or we don't need it
[05:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> for the most part no one *needs* to learn asm, but you can ;)
[05:04] <StarOnD> obriendave:let me have a look
[05:05] <new> ;)
[05:05] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, no prob
[05:05] <new> what is the most programming language in ubuntu 10.04?
[05:05] <StarOnD> obriendave, I did the same one at a time
[05:05] <StarOnD> almost like yours, did you do this at one go??
[05:05] <arasi> Gabboz: in lsusb i am getting Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0fe6:8101
[05:06] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, yes, you have to declare each one, one at a time. but still apply it all at once
[05:06] <StarOnD> hmm okay,I declared + applied
[05:06] <StarOnD> one at a time
[05:06] <ObrienDave> gotcha
[05:07] <StarOnD> okay I get it! thank you. Obriendave
[05:07] <ObrienDave> StarOnD, now i get to fix my thumb drive LMAO :))
[05:09] <Neozonz> im trying to reinstall applications from a previous server via dpkg --get-selections > installed-software
[05:09] <Neozonz> but running into these issues upon installing
[05:09] <Neozonz> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[05:09] <Neozonz> E: Internal error, problem resolver broke stuff
[05:09] <dyu> is it normal to get quantal packages for a precise box?
[05:10] <WeThePeople> dyu, yes for dependencies
[05:11] <dyu> i'm getting them for my kernel and kernel headers
[05:12] <dyu> $ sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:12] <dyu> Reading package lists... Done
[05:12] <dyu> Building dependency tree
[05:12] <dyu> Reading state information... Done
[05:12] <dyu> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:12] <dyu>   linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal linux-image-generic-lts-quantal
[05:12] <FloodBot1> dyu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:12] <dyu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[05:13] <dyu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709043/
[05:13] <dyu> sorry about that. first time here
[05:13] <ObrienDave> dyu: use update manager. terminal does that to me as well
[05:13] <unknown_had> hello, please tell me how I may create a LVM out of / partation
[05:13] <unknown_had> as I can't unmount / partation
[05:14] <Neozonz> Any ideas about my E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. issue?
[05:14] <unknown_had> and when I am trying to create a LVM at the time of installation of OS it's not allowing me to
[05:14] <dyu> ObrienDavid: is update manager the gui thing? i can't use that.
[05:18] <Grub> I really need some help.I had ubuntu and windows 7 dual booting on asus g75 with efi.I tried to update ubuntu and it failed.--I deleted that partition and formated and installed ubuntu.NOW i get error: no such partition. GRUB RESCUE
[05:18] <Grub> I tried everything to get rid of  grub.
[05:18] <dyu> nevermind. i think i have my answer here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Release/Rolling. tl;dr: yes, it's normal
[05:19] <Shubuntu> guys does anyone have an issue with facebook chat here?
[05:19] <Shubuntu> i cannot keep connected
[05:19] <Shubuntu> when i load facebook it connects for a few secs, then says unable to connect
[05:19] <Pdqman> what version are you running?
[05:19] <Shubuntu> ubuntu 13.04
[05:20] <Shubuntu> same on all my browsers, firefox, chromium, konq, ...
[05:20] <gwinbee> 13.04 is a thing now, I hadn't noticed.
[05:21] <Shubuntu> i tried clearing the cache, changing nameservers etc, didn't work
[05:21] <HasArrived> Dyu Would it not be the correct way first sudo apt-get install update and thereafter upgrade?
[05:21] <Shubuntu> i even changed from adobe flash to gnash
[05:21] <Shubuntu> still no change
[05:22] <dyu> HasArrived:there was an update before that. i just forgot to place it there
[05:22] <Shubuntu> any ideas?
[05:22] <Guest62966> hello and thanks for any help for this obviously simple question....  I would like to install hunspell on ubuntu  12.04.  I downloaded the .tar.gz package in my downloads folder (/home/me/Downloads).  I want to compile it.  what commands do I need to give?
[05:23] <bazhang> !info hunspell | Guest62966
[05:24] <bazhang> dont compile , install from repos Guest62966
[05:24] <Guest62966> yes
[05:24] <Guest62966> okay. how?
[05:24] <bazhang> !software | Guest62966
[05:25] <gwinbee> Guest62966: press ctrl+t, type sudo apt-get install hunspell
[05:25] <Ruahine> I have a problem: I just installed Ubuntu. I told it to reformat and install on my old Linux partition (Arch Linux). Installation claimed to be succesful. But now when I boot the computer I get a GRUB error. I believe this is because I had GRUB doing stuff for Arch. Any suggestions for where/what to look for to fix?
[05:25] <Guest62966> thanks. much easier then I thought.
[05:25] <bazhang> gwinbee, control alt t
[05:25] <ra-fi> hi i have installed cutecom 0.22.0 in my host when i try to work on it, i just press the opendevice button it shows could not open, what is that issues
[05:25] <gwinbee> bazhang: ah, right, derp
[05:27] <Shubuntu> any help is appreciated guys
[05:28] <Shubuntu> it's definitely not my dns, i've changed it multiple times
[05:28] <Shubuntu> it's not flash
[05:28] <ObrienDave> Ruahine, are you using a live/install CD or USB?
[05:28] <bazhang> !patience | Shubuntu
[05:28] <Shubuntu> ubottu: i've searched for hour
[05:28] <Shubuntu> hours*
[05:29] <bazhang> Shubuntu, be patient
[05:29] <Ruahine> ObrienDave: Just installed it
[05:29] <Ruahine> from USB that is
[05:29] <Ruahine> (misread question)
[05:29] <ObrienDave> Ruahine, i would suggest doing it again. you might look into boot-repair
[05:37] <Grub> thanks
[05:45] <rigo88> hi
[05:45] <ObrienDave> hello
[05:55] <Dr_willis> mello
[05:59] <ObrienDave> way too quiet :))
[06:02] <gwinbee> for the past 30 or so minutes, ubuntu has been running perfectly all over the world.
[06:03] <gwinbee> well, the english-speaking world
[06:03] <ObrienDave> oh NOOOOO! don't jinx it! :))
[06:09] <lucky2> fuck
[06:10] <erratic> shit
[06:10] <IdleOne> !language
[06:10] <Amirr> oh
[06:10] <fractaline> jinxed...
[06:10] <pushkarajthorata> has anyone upgraded to ubuntu 13
[06:11] <pushkarajthorata> from 12:10
[06:11] <Tm_T> pushkarajthorata: I bet many
[06:11] <lucky2> its my first time coming here
[06:11] <fractaline> welcome
[06:11] <Tm_T> lucky2: please familiarise yourself with the guidelines, see channel topic for further information
[06:12] <andre_> hi. I recently upgraded to 13.04 and noticed that the gdb shipped with it is awfully slow. is there a specific reason to ship a "7.5.91.20130417-cvs-ubuntu" which looks like a random build from cvs instead of using an upstream 7.5 or 7.6 release, both of which seem to work fine?
[06:12] <ObrienDave> yea, knew it wouldn't last. *SIGH*
[06:14] <ObrienDave> andre_, usually the repos offer older versions for stability reasons
[06:15] <ObrienDave> andre_, you can always install the newer versions, if you like
[06:16] <andre_> ObrienDave: 7.5.91.20130417 looks like bleeding edge at the time, so there must be some reason to use that instead of a tested upstream release. I wonder what that reason could have been.
[06:17] <somsip> !info gdb
[06:17] <ObrienDave> could be anything. i haven't a clue
[06:17] <somsip> andre_: so...where did you get the 7.5.91 version from?
[06:18] <andre_> somsip: from that package. if you install it, and run gdb --version it says :/data/dev/debugger/gdb-ubuntu-13.04/gdb-7.6~20130417$ gdb --version  ->  GNU gdb (GDB) 7.5.91.20130417-cvs-ubuntu
[06:18] <ObrienDave> andre_, was that version on the install disk?
[06:18] <andre_> ObrienDave: I don't have an install disk, just upgraded
[06:19] <ObrienDave> ok
[06:19] <somsip> andre_: If that is the case, you may need to raise a bug.
[06:19] <somsip> andre_: have you ever installed gdb from a PPA in the past?
[06:19] <andre_> somsip: so arguably even the build looks odd as the package version does not really coincides with what version has been patched into the binary
[06:21] <somsip> I see other bug reports concerning other issues that suggest that the current raring version of gdb does return the 7.5.91 version, eg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gitg/+bug/1173428
[06:21] <andre_> somsip: unlikely, but I won't want to rule that out. I usually build from source or some distribution's patched packages for reference builds
[06:21] <somsip> andre_: so maybe this is one to raise to the package maintainters
[06:24] <andre_> somsip: my last ubuntu specific builds are 9.04 and 9.10, so it looks like the releases in between were ok
[06:24] <andre_> somsip: is there a chance that 13.04 packages would get changed as result of a report?
[06:25] <somsip> andre_: it's one to raise with the package maintainers I think
[06:26] <ripthejacker> what does the port 8888 in ubuntu listen to?
[06:26] <ripthejacker> it is not associated with any PIDs
[06:27] <ra-fi> hi can you please tell me how to map a ttyS0 with getty on ubuntu host
[06:31] <ObrienDave> ripthejacker, http://pastebin.com/B8vpLHR7
[06:32] <ObrienDave> ripthejacker, OPPS! just a sec
[06:32] <somsip> andre_: I would hope that, if there is an error, it would be corrected.
[06:33] <ObrienDave> ripthejacker, now try it. http://pastebin.com/B8vpLHR7
[06:34] <ripthejacker> ObrienDave: i have none of those running
[06:34] <ripthejacker> ObrienDave: do you know how to check which process opened that port?
[06:35] <ObrienDave> ripthejacker, no sorry. someone here might know
[06:35] <ripthejacker> ok
[06:35] <ripthejacker> thanks for helping
[06:35] <ripthejacker> :)
[06:37] <andre_> somsip: well, it's working, it's just very slow in some circumstances
[06:50] <dirk> can someone please help and brand new ubuntu user
[06:51] <ObrienDave> dirk: just ask please
[06:51] <dirk> great
[06:52] <dirk> i just installed ubuntu and i'm using the update manager to get the codecs and stuff to play a movie and it just seems to hang after i click the install updates button
[06:53] <ObrienDave> have you done all the upgrades first?
[06:53] <dirk> the window pops up saying applying changes but under it just says "waiting" the progress bar doesn't change. it isn't downloading anything
[06:54] <ripthejacker> she's the reason terry is injured all the time
[06:55] <ObrienDave> hmm, open a terminal, type 'sudo apt-get update'. put your password in when it asks
[06:55] <ObrienDave> dirk, no quotes
[06:55] <dirk> ObrienDave.... do you know if i have to change a setting.... like i said i'm brand new to ubuntu, sick of windows and to poor for a mac... so far i really like how you don't have to install drivers and crap but this is giving a problem
[06:56] <Seanduan> hi
[06:56] <dirk> i don't know how to open a terminal man... i'm sory can you help me out there
[06:56] <ObrienDave> dirk, let's get the updates done first
[06:58] <dirk> ok no problem... but i don't know how to open a terminal i'm not sure how to do that.... if you don't want to explain the simple process... i can google how to open a terminal
[06:58] <dirk> im kinda stupid to this os... i'm sorry
[06:58] <ObrienDave> dirk, somewhere in your applications list you should see terminal
[06:59] <ObrienDave> dirk, no problem. it takes some time to get used to the new OS
[06:59] <vitimiti> hi o/
[07:00] <linu> Hi all .. i am using usb to ethernet converter to connect ethernet via usb lines. if i connect this device i am getting as a usb0  instead of eth0  in my ifconfig configuration.if i assign IP address to usb0 its working fine,but i dont want to use usb0 configuration , i want eth0 configuration,how to change this configuration.usb0 to  eth0. do i need to change usb driver or need to change udev rules.....please any one can suggest me to solve this issue.
[07:01] <dirk> sorry man give me a min to find it
[07:01] <ObrienDave> ok, no prob
[07:02] <ObrienDave> linu, not sure. i think you're stuck using usb0
.............. when i type it in, it asks for my password... but as i type it in no charecters are showing up and it's giving me E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is an
[07:05] <ObrienDave> dirk, ok. you need to close update center and try again. not showing your password is a security feature
[07:05] <ObrienDave> dirk, you can use the up arrow to replay commands
[07:06] <dirk> ok let me try again
[07:06] <ObrienDave> sure
[07:07] <dirk> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:07] <davidfetter> hello
[07:08] <ObrienDave> dirk, still? you need to close all update programs to clear this error
[07:08] <davidfetter> is there a utility that lets you send things to a paste site from stdin, files, etc.? i'm thinking of something like fedora's fpaste http://linux.die.net/man/1/fpaste
[07:09] <Myrtti> !info pastebinit | davidfetter
[07:09] <davidfetter> Myrtti, thanks :)
[07:09] <JediUnixMaster> [new to node] earlier i installed nodejs by sudo apt-get install nodejs ŌĆ” in the nodejs chat I'm told thats old, that i need chris lea repo, so I'm considering uninstalling and adding chris lea PPA from the following link and wonder if that is wise? Thoughts? https://launchpad.net/~chris-lea/+archive/node.js/
[07:09] <ObrienDave> JediUnixMaster, i use that PPA. it's safe
[07:10] <JediUnixMaster> thank you ObrienDave
[07:11] <smoke> anyone using nvidia drivers on 13.04 and getting screen freezes?
[07:11] <dirk> i have the ubuntu software center qued for a few proceses but i closed the application... should i open the application and cancel the software i'm trying to get even tho the window is closed
[07:11] <ObrienDave> dirk, you can only update your system one way at a time. either terminal, update center, synaptic, etc.
[07:11] <ObrienDave> dirk, yes please
[07:13] <ObrienDave> JediUnixMaster, no need to uninstall, the PPA will overwrite the old version
[07:14] <blazemore> Can anybody recommend a simple GUI utility to block access to certain websites?
[07:14] <blazemore> Perhaps even at certain times
[07:14] <dirk> is there some kinda task manager because i think i have quit all the apps............ i only have mozilla and the terminal open as far as i can tell.... the box on the left of the screen only has the little white arrows on mozilla and terminal
[07:15] <ObrienDave> blazemore, most major browsers have that capability. you need an add-on
[07:15] <blazemore> ObrienDave: I remember reading a roundup of different tools in Linux Format about a year ago, but I can't find that issue
[07:15] <blazemore> ObrienDave: And they were definitely system-wide. Aimed at child-proofing a system
[07:16] <blazemore> dirk: try gnome-system-monitor
[07:16] <DonQ> _
[07:16] <ObrienDave> dirk, ok, try the terminal command again. if not, well have to go through task manager or you might have to logoff and back on
[07:16] <donnie> How can I launch the sessions and start up app from the terminal
[07:17] <ObrienDave> blazemore, he has update center stuck in update :)
[07:17] <blazemore> f**k it, reboot
[07:17] <ObrienDave> agreed
[07:17] <blazemore> Not worth the hassle :P
[07:17] <ObrienDave> agreed
[07:18] <blazemore> Once it's come back out of reboot, if it's still not working I can help you
[07:18] <blazemore> tl;dr - "sudo dpkg-configure -a ; sudo apt-get -f install"
[07:18] <ObrienDave> he's really new. i'm trying to be easy on him :)
[07:18] <blazemore> OK
[07:19] <blazemore> ObrienDave: A better way to phrase my question would be - "What good alternatives to NetNanny are there for Linux?"
[07:19] <ObrienDave> you're looking at it ;))
[07:19] <blazemore> What do you mean?
[07:19] <dirk> ok sorry guys i just got the system monitor up... what am i doing with it? or should i just reboot?
[07:20] <blazemore> dirk: Just reboot
[07:20] <ObrienDave> dirk, yes. go ahead
[07:20] <ObrienDave> we'll be here
[07:20] <blazemore> dirk: It's what I'd do in that situation and I've been using Linux since 2003
[07:20] <ObrienDave> a logout may not kill the update program
[07:20] <dirk> i'm kinda afraid to reboot it gave me thousands of lines of errors and killing this and that in the dos mode before itfinially started
[07:21] <ObrienDave> we call it command mode not dos ;D
[07:21] <dirk> ok cya in a few then..... thanx by the way....
[07:21] <ObrienDave> welcome
[07:21] <blazemore> > mfw Linux Mint already comes with something called "mint-nanny" installed
[07:22] <ObrienDave> blazemore, ohhh, i thought WE were NetNannies ;)
[07:22] <szahrat> satanic ubuntu
[07:22] <blazemore> "Domain blocker" in the menu - it doesn't get much easier than http://i.imgur.com/KfMr5e3.png
[07:23] <ObrienDave> looks simple enough
[07:24] <szahrat> satanic
[07:25] <blazemore> szahrat: What's your point?
[07:26] <szahrat> was feeling high thinking of the ubuntu satanic edition
[07:26] <ObrienDave> there is a flavor called satanic ubuntu LMAO
[07:27] <blazemore> There is. The story behind that is there was an Ubuntu Christian Edition that came with net filter preconfigured, and some bible study software
[07:27] <blazemore> Then some angsty teenagers decided to make "satanic edition"
[07:27] <ObrienDave> yup
[07:27] <foofoobar> Hi. I just got a really bad system crash. After the crash I rebooted, got a new error message while booting and had to restart. I had to repeat this 3 times until I could boot normal. This is the first crash message:
[07:27] <foofoobar> http://imgur.com/hoNx0WX
[07:27] <foofoobar> Can someone tell me what the hell this was? I was in the browser when suddenly all crashed and this message appeared
[07:28] <blazemore> foofoobar: My gut instinct is the beginnings of your hard-drive failing, but I base that on nothing
[07:28] <matanya> foofoobar: swap issue
[07:28] <matanya> i guess the same as blazemore
[07:28] <blazemore> foofoobar: You're back into the system now?
[07:28] <foofoobar> blazemore: it's a SSD
[07:29] <foofoobar> blazemore: yes
[07:29] <matanya> foofoobar: do fsck
[07:29] <blazemore> foofoobar: Boot from a liveCD and fsck your drive
[07:29] <foofoobar> After this I rebooted and got this message: http://imgur.com/qA8DHDy
[07:30] <ObrienDave> ouch. that's why i don't trust SSDs
[07:31] <foofoobar> after this I rebooted again and got a message something like BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [swapper/1:0] and BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s!
[07:31] <foofoobar> then I rebooted again and it worked all ..
[07:32] <ObrienDave> how old is the SSD?
[07:32] <blazemore> yeah foofoobar I'd look at contacting Apple
[07:33] <szahrat> foofoobar was it working well before
[07:33] <foofoobar> ObrienDave: max. 1 year
[07:33] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, sounds to me like it'e dying
[07:33] <ObrienDave> *it's
[07:34] <matanya> yup, sounds so
[07:34] <ObrienDave> that's why i don't trust SSDs
[07:34] <matanya> no the best idea to put a swap on SSD, btw
[07:34] <matanya> *not
[07:34] <foofoobar> szahrat: yeah it was working and out of nothing it crashed
[07:34] <foofoobar> matanya: why?
[07:35] <matanya> SSD's are good at read, bad at write
[07:35] <blazemore> matanya: Older SSDs don't handle the kind of demands that swap places on them very well
[07:35] <matanya> swapping is writing, and a lot
[07:35] <foofoobar> But this SSD is not very old..
[07:35] <rigo88> hi
[07:35] <matanya> the best use of ssd is the boot process
[07:35] <foofoobar> It's an old macbook (mid 2010) and I replaced the dvd drive with a SSD
[07:35] <szahrat> foofoobar how did it crash? was it a reboot or a resume from hibernation?
[07:36] <snypzz> help
[07:36] <foofoobar> szahrat: I was working in the browser and then chrome tab crashed and a second after this the window manager crashed (black screen) and a second after I got this message I made a photo from
[07:36] <szahrat> snyppz you should just ask the question
[07:36] <matanya> foofoobar: contact apple
[07:37] <foofoobar> matanya: the SSD is not from apple, I placed it myself in my macbook
[07:37] <rigo88> what if my tevii s471 is not recognised? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709086/ i have the latest from all (worked last time for 3-4 months with 12.04 + 3.5.4) but now with 13.04 + 3.9 and either with 12.10 + 3.5.0, 3.5.4, 3.6.3 no luck. just the same em
[07:37] <snypzz> tyring to get USB ASUS 53 dualband working on ubuntu 13.04
[07:37] <matanya> foofoobar: just try fsck it
[07:37] <snypzz> ASUS SABERTOOTH A77 motherboard
[07:37] <foofoobar> matanya: can I run it with the system running or do I have to boot from a livecd?
[07:38] <matanya> foofoobar: must reboot
[07:38] <foofoobar> matanya: can you recommend a livecd?
[07:38] <ObrienDave> rigo88, check video for loose cable or card
[07:38] <matanya> foofoobar: the ubuntu install cd is good
[07:39] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, ANY live cd will work
[07:39] <foofoobar> okay
[07:39] <snypzz> any asus drivers
[07:39] <matanya> snypzz: what isn't working?
[07:39] <rigo88> i think either that there is some dust in the slot or something... its pretty annoying.
[07:40] <snypzz> also have the EDIMAX AC1200 not working on UBUNTU 13.04
[07:40] <ObrienDave> rigo88, probably just a bad connection
[07:40] <foofoobar> matanya: ObrienDave and after this I should put the swap on the hdd?
[07:40] <Bgr_bgr> hii
[07:40] <Bgr_bgr> i m just testing
[07:40] <matanya> good idead foofoobar
[07:40] <rigo88> shit i suck with the thing since 2 days now :D
[07:41] <AnkitAgrawal> Hi.....I messed something in ubuntu 12.10 recovery mode bcoz of which I am getting 'ieee80211 phy0 : ........' instead of the login screen... any solutions?
[07:41] <szahrat> foofoobar try creating a separate swap partition
[07:41] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, yes, and modify fstab to load most temp files to ramdisk if you can
[07:41] <Bgr_bgr> what this is all about
[07:41] <Bgr_bgr> ????
[07:41] <ObrienDave> rigo88, keep it clean please
[07:42] <matanya> AnkitAgrawal: can you please be more detailed?
[07:42] <ObrienDave> Bgr_bgr, may we help you?
[07:43] <rigo88> u should add this line to the fstab:
[07:43] <rigo88> tmpfs   /tmp    tmpfs   defaults,noatime,mode=1777      0       0
[07:45] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : I am using ubuntu 12.10...Since a few days, my ubuntu does not boot to the login screen after a hard shutdown(eg: heat)....Hence I went into the recovery mode
[07:46] <foofoobar> my fstab looks strange.. UUID=6dd239ec-863c-444b-84ed-fde64f2d91b3 none            swap    sw              0       0
[07:46] <matanya> ok, and what is the problem with that AnkitAgrawal ?
[07:46] <foofoobar> I expected something like /dev/sda5 instead of this UUID thing
[07:46] <matanya> you can change that foofoobar
[07:46] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya: I performed some apt-get update after logging as root from recovery mode and disk check
[07:47] <histo> foofoobar: you can use sudo blkid to list all your disks by UUID so you can understand which partition is which
[07:47] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, UUID is unique to every device
[07:47] <ObrienDave> wb dirk :)
[07:47] <rigo88> foofoobar: thats normal. i think.
[07:48] <matanya> AnkitAgrawal: i still don't see where is the problem
[07:48] <histo> foofoobar: We now use uuid because it is more predictable than /dev/sdX#  which can change.
[07:48] <foofoobar> matanya: so to create a new swap: 1) Create partition on my hdd 2) Change fstab swap to the new partition 3) swapoff -a; mkswap /dev/sdbX; swapon -a ?
[07:48] <ObrienDave> DIRK_, you ready to continue?
[07:48] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : And now when I boot, the original problem of no login screen is still there...but it also keeps outputting something like 'ieee80211 phy0 : ......' along with a timestamp
[07:48] <histo> !swap | foofoobar
[07:49] <foofoobar> histo: yeah I'm currently on that page. Just want to verify that I understood it correct
[07:49] <DIRK_> when you first boot up is it normal for the screen to go purple for awhile and then it start saying it can't find the boot file or something... then lines and lines of commands pour down the screen killing this and that
[07:49] <szahrat> foofoobar have you created the swap file urself?
[07:49] <matanya> yes foofoobar
[07:49] <foofoobar> szahrat: the current? No, the installer did it
[07:49] <foofoobar> matanya: can I do this while the system is running or also from livecd?
[07:49] <matanya> you can
[07:50] <matanya> though i'd recommend different drive if you have
[07:50] <matanya> not just a partition
[07:50] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : ??
[07:50] <ObrienDave> DIRK_, possibly because you got suck in an upgrade situation
[07:50] <foofoobar> matanya: The new swap will be on the hdd
[07:50] <DIRK_> ya i'm ready... sudo get-update? i forgot
[07:50] <matanya> AnkitAgrawal: what runlevel are you in?
[07:51] <szahrat> AnkitAgrawal, whats actually ur question?
[07:51] <matanya> AnkitAgrawal: use the runlevel command
[07:51] <ObrienDave> DIRK_, let's continue. open a terminal. "sudo apt-get update"
[07:51] <AnkitAgrawal> I am currently on windows
[07:51] <foofoobar> sda (/) = SDD and swap currently; sdb = HDD currently only for files. I will move the swap to the hdd then
[07:51] <ObrienDave> no quotes
[07:51] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya , szahrat : I am currently on windows
[07:51] <matanya> so go on ubuntu AnkitAgrawal
[07:52] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : ok....but it wont show the login screen...should I then go into recovery mode?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> DIRK_, once that finishes, "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[07:52] <matanya> foofoobar: hint for next time: ssh for /boot /hdd for / and /home
[07:52] <matanya> what happens if you try the gui and not the recovery AnkitAgrawal ?
[07:53] <foofoobar> matanya: the root file system on the hdd?
[07:53] <matanya> yes foofoobar
[07:53] <foofoobar> I thought its a good idea placing this on the sdd because it's faster to load stuff from there
[07:53] <matanya> or if you barely change it, it can be on ssd foofoobar
[07:54] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : the statements similar to this query show up with a timestamp...https://www.google.co.in/search?q=ieee80211+phy0+brcms_ops_bss_info_changed&oq=ieee80211+phy0&aqs=chrome.2.57j0l3.9106j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
[07:54] <matanya> it depends on the type of user you are foofoobar
[07:54] <matanya> ok, AnkitAgrawal seems like you have driver issues
[07:54] <Dirk> sorry man the page keeps saying it must restart and shuts down on me...
[07:55] <ObrienDave> Dirk, which page?
[07:55] <foofoobar> matanya: so all the new laptops only have a SSD, they also have their swap/root in their ssd, is this a bad behaviour?
[07:55] <Dirk> this chat site page
[07:55] <ObrienDave> you on WebChat?
[07:55] <Dirk> it seems stable now
[07:55] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : I guess this problem because of installing and then removing gnome....before that everything was fine
[07:55] <Dirk> ya
[07:56] <matanya> foofoobar: swap is a bad idea, root is mostly ok
[07:56] <Dirk> webchat.freenode.net
[07:56] <matanya> AnkitAgrawal: i doubt it
[07:56] <szahrat> Dirk get xchat
[07:56] <ObrienDave> Dirk, ok, cheer up. we'll get through this one way or another :))
[07:56] <matanya> AnkitAgrawal: if you can get a shell, i can help out
[07:56] <Dirk> lol... ok sudo get-update ???
[07:56] <foofoobar> matanya: okay. so first I will check with fsck when I have a bootcd available
[07:56] <ObrienDave> DIRK_, let's continue. open a terminal. "sudo apt-get update"
[07:57] <foofoobar> then I will move my swap to my hdd
[07:57] <foofoobar> I hope this bug will not come again :/
[07:57] <matanya> good luck foofoobar
[07:57] <ObrienDave> Dirk,  you can copy and paste right from these screens
[07:57] <histo> foofoobar: you can turn down swappiness to avoid using swap. But I would still have one on an SSD just incase.
[07:57] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : ok ...i will login to my shell as root in recovery mode and will connect with u on irc in 5 min from a different system. Is that ok with you?
[07:57] <Dirk> ok it worked i guess
[07:57] <matanya> np AnkitAgrawal
[07:58] <Dirk> Reading package lists... Done
[07:58] <ObrienDave> Dirk,  cool, hit up arrow, change update to upgrade
[07:58] <foofoobar> histo: so when using a tmpfs this will slow down my system in times where I need a lot of RAM?
[07:58] <Dirk> .
[07:59] <Dirk> continue Y    obviously
[07:59] <ObrienDave> Dirk, is it doing something? yes ;))
[07:59] <histo> foofoobar: no mount stuff like browser cache /tmp and some things in /var to tmpfs  also enable noatime,discard options in fstab for filesystems that are on the SSD.  But you want a swap present just incase ram fills so your system doesn't run out of memory.
[08:00] <matanya> foofoobar: what is the amount of RAM on your system?
[08:00] <Dirk> if it's going to go thru the entire list that it suggested......... it's gona take awhile. it had like 240 updates it wanted to to do
[08:00] <Dirk> but yes it's downloading stuff
[08:01] <ObrienDave> Dirk, ok, just kick back and relax. VERY important to not interrupt it. back in a few
[08:01] <Dirk> thanx abunch dude...
[08:01] <ObrienDave> no prob
[08:01] <foofoobar> matanya: 4GB
[08:01] <matanya> do you tend to fill it up foofoobar ?
[08:02] <foofoobar> I'm currently at 25%, I think I do not fill it up often
[08:02] <foofoobar> I'm using i3wm with some command line stuff and chrome, so I dont think I'm filling it up often
[08:02] <histo> foofoobar: Do what you want but realize if you run out of memory your system will hang. Also you cannot hibernate without a swap afaik
[08:03] <matanya> so you don't really need the swap
[08:03] <foofoobar> histo: I dont want to deactivate the swap, I just want to move it to a HDD
[08:03] <foofoobar> matanya: As I understood the swap is for the "emergency" when I run out of RAM
[08:03] <histo> foofoobar: Yeah then just make a partition on the HDD mkswap on it and swapof and swapon to the new part. Also add it to fstab . You can get the uuid with blkid
[08:04] <histo> foofoobar: and also hibernation
[08:04] <histo> foofoobar: and cache
[08:04] <histo> foofoobar: You can reduce the use of swap by adjusting your swappiness
[08:05] <histo> foofoobar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Why_do_I_need_swap.3F
[08:06] <ObrienDave> Dirk, hows it going? how much time left?
[08:09] <drasko> Hi. My embedded device hangs for a long time on "Starting Userspace bootsplash". How to prevent bootsplash - I do not need it, I am using console only
[08:10] <nublet> hi
[08:10] <nublet> do I need Ubuntu restricted extras on 13.04
[08:10] <nublet> ?
[08:10] <matanya> drasko: you can set it in your grub conf
[08:11] <ObrienDave> nublet, restricted extras allow you to view certain DVD's and some music codecs
[08:11] <matanya> nublet: it depends if you have stuff that needs it
[08:11] <nublet> I juts want the fonts mainly
[08:11] <matanya> it won't hurt you to install it nublet
[08:12] <nublet> I try to install and it says "these items must be removed" libavcodec53, libavutil51"
[08:12] <ObrienDave> nublet, that is normal
[08:12] <nublet> I can cancel or install anyway
[08:12] <matanya> install
[08:12] <nublet> ok tx
[08:12] <ObrienDave> welcome
[08:12] <drasko> matanya, I do not have grub, I am using ubuntu in an embedded device with U-Boot
[08:13] <chiffa> hello there. I would need some help with resolving some issues related to installing Linux in dual boot with Win8 on a recent machine (so far no solution found via google and forums)
[08:13] <ObrienDave> drasko, GRUB is the boot loader
[08:13] <histo> chiffa: what problem are you having?
[08:13] <drasko> ObrienDave, U-Boot is the bootloader
[08:14] <chiffa> I have a live usb with Linux secure 13.04 (md5/sha1 checked, created using LiLi)
[08:14] <matanya> chiffa: do you have secure boot enables?
[08:14] <chiffa> disabled in bios
[08:14] <matanya> *s/s/d
[08:14] <chiffa> when I try to boot, after gub prompts me to select install or try linux, screen goes black
[08:15] <chiffa> nomodeset option does not seem to help
[08:15] <chiffa> and I have geforce GT650M
[08:15] <ObrienDave> drasko, sorry. not familiar with U-boot
[08:15] <chiffa> Is there anything else to try?
[08:15] <histo> chiffa: are you using the 64bit version of 13.04?
[08:15] <Dr_willis> chiffa,  boot to text mode and perhaps just install the nvidia-current package to get drivers for your card? or have you allready installed the drivers?
[08:15] <chiffa> yup
[08:15] <histo> chiffa: also what the hell is linux secure?
[08:16] <chiffa> ok, how do you boot to text mode?
[08:16] <Dr_willis> !text
[08:17] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : there??
[08:18] <matanya> yes AnkitAgrawal
[08:18] <AnkitAgrawal> matanya : I  have  logged  in  as root in recovery mode
[08:18] <foofoobar> matanya: one additional question: My SDD currently looks like this: 1. HFS (osx) 2. EXT3 (Ubuntu Root) 3. Swap 4. Boot. I want to increase the size of the ubuntu root now.
[08:18] <foofoobar> My OSX Disk utility lets me resize the first partition, but not adjust the size of the second one
[08:19] <matanya> foofoobar: use gparted in the live cd
[08:19] <histo> Dr_willis: that factoid is off
[08:19] <foofoobar> Someone here told me to use gparted for this. Is this safe to move the "beginning" of the second partition to increase the size?
[08:19] <matanya> gparted is safe only if you know what you are doing
[08:19] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, only if there is room in the front
[08:19] <matanya> AnkitAgrawal: runlevel
[08:19] <elfranne> when I write export SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder in crontab it produce error : bad minute
[08:19] <Dr_willis> foofoobar,  jot down the UUID also - just in case it changes..
[08:20] <foofoobar> ObrienDave: the room is not in the front
[08:20] <matanya> !cron Elfix
[08:20] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, then NO it is not safe
[08:20] <matanya> !cron elfranne
[08:20] <Dr_willis> foobarba1,  if you shrink the ox-s partion thats at thre front of the HD.. then wheres the unallocated space at?
[08:20] <foofoobar> one moment, I will make a screenshot of gparted
[08:21] <Dr_willis> at the front of the HD. or btween the 1 and 2 partitions?
[08:21] <elfranne> matanya, command failed
[08:21] <matanya> elfranne: your cron syntax is in correct
[08:22] <elfranne> matanya, so you re not allowed to export variables in crontab ? that sounds unlikey
[08:22] <chiffa> ok, that didn't work neither
[08:23] <matanya> you may, but you need to use syntax like ***** bash export SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder elfranne
[08:23] <ObrienDave> Dirk, hows it going? how much time left?
[08:23] <foofoobar> ObrienDave, Dr_willis, matanya: http://imgur.com/a6YZTPE this is the SSD. I want to decrease the HFS and increase the ubuntu
[08:24] <[nas]peter> I run a dual boot of windows 7 Ultimate and Ubuntu 12.04, does anyone know if this could cause bad IO?
[08:24] <matanya> shouldn't [nas]peter
[08:25] <elfranne> matanya, but SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder works fine ....
[08:25] <histo> [nas]peter: No bad drives cause bad IO
[08:25] <matanya> foofoobar: you can resize /dev/sda3 and move the space to ubuntu
[08:25] <[nas]peter> The drive is about a month old >.>
[08:25] <[nas]peter> and it didn't have issues running windows
[08:26] <matanya> elfranne: what are you trying to achieve?
[08:26] <histo> [nas]peter: run smartmontools
[08:26] <foofoobar> matanya: and /dev/sda2 ?
[08:27] <matanya> it is the ssd foofoobar
[08:27] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, probably you need to make sda2 smaller, slide sda3 over to the left and then make sda4 larger
[08:28] <foofoobar> ObrienDave: this is possible? :D
[08:28] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, partitions MUST be continuous
[08:28] <elfranne> matanya, unless you use export SOME_PATH=/to/a/folder that variable will not be available inside a script i launch from the crontab
[08:28] <matanya> elfranne: why don't you export it in the script itself?
[08:29] <elfranne> matanya, because i need it in the crontab
[08:29] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, yes, you don't have a lot of room to work with. look for partitionmanager. it's supposed to handle this situation a bit better. i don't know if Gparted can actually move data
[08:29] <elfranne> matanya, and used inside multiple scripts
[08:29] <chiffa> ok, problem solved: I didn't disable Secure boot, but only fastboot :S
[08:29] <chiffa> have a good day everyone
[08:30] <matanya> call the script, and in the first line export the var
[08:30] <Guest83992> I have edited /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf and also tried adding & editing /etch/dhcp3/dhcpclient.conf to add prepend domain-name-servers ..., yet /etc/resolv.conf doesn't show the dns servers
[08:30] <foofoobar> ObrienDave: I have a better idea: If I move the swap to the HDD, I can extend /dev/sda4 with the size of the swap
[08:30] <Guest83992> are the dns servers listed somewhere else now ? or is it something I am doing wrong ? help is appreciated...
[08:30] <foofoobar> this would give me additional 4GB
[08:31] <maum> does anyone know how to download the source from http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin/
[08:31] <maum> There are a bunch of files.
[08:32] <matanya> maum: wget
[08:32] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, yes, that would work also
[08:34] <foofoobar> okay, good
[08:34] <maum> matanya: thanks.
[08:34] <[nas]peter> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[08:34] <[nas]peter> weird
[08:34] <foofoobar> matanya, ObrienDave: thanks for your help!
[08:35] <dhruvasagar> hey, can anyone help regarding prepending dns servers ?
[08:35] <matanya> np foofoobar
[08:35] <foofoobar> I will try to move the swap first, and when I'm home I can to the fsck and resize my root partition
[08:35] <dhruvasagar> I asked the question a little while ago as Guest...
[08:35] <ObrienDave> foofoobar, not a problem
[08:35] <foofoobar> because I have no livecd here
[08:36] <matanya> dhruvasagar: what do you need?
[08:36] <[nas]peter> hmm
[08:36] <ObrienDave> dhruvasagar, you can try the google public DNS servers. 8,8,8,8 and 8,8,8,4. I THINK :D
[08:36] <[nas]peter> it seems my drive isn't malfunctioning
[08:36] <dhruvasagar> matanya: I tried adding prepend domain-name-servers to /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf and restarted networking
[08:36] <ObrienDave> sorry, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.4
[08:36] <dhruvasagar> ObrienDave: that I know, not my problem...
[08:36] <matanya> any output?
[08:36] <dhruvasagar> matanya: but /etc/resolv.conf doesn't reflect
[08:37] <dhruvasagar> matanya: it still doesn't list the dns servers I added...
[08:37] <matanya> why not add them directly?
[08:37] <dhruvasagar> matanya: because I want them to be added to any network that I connect to...
[08:37] <Phoenixxl> though on one side I apreciate google giving us servers for free, I can't help but be disgusted at the amount of data gathering on a person that goes on through their dns's
[08:37] <dhruvasagar> this used to work earlier
[08:38] <matanya> dhruvasagar: what is in /etc/resolv.conf?
[08:38] <dhruvasagar> Phoenixxl: well there are several alternatives
[08:38] <Phoenixxl> For my own sanity , even if they're not always the fastest , I do keep using my ISP's
[08:38] <dhruvasagar> matanya: just 'nameserver 127.0.0.1'
[08:39] <Phoenixxl> thid id just azn observation , has nothing to do with the issiue thats being resolved here
[08:39] <ObrienDave> Phoenixxl, unless you're a hermit that can survive on cash, get used to it
[08:39] <matanya> if you add 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' won't it be solved?
[08:39] <dhruvasagar> Phoenixxl: that's the whole point of 'prepending' dns servers. I am not changing them, just prepending extra one's, the ISP dns servers will still be there
[08:39] <histo> dhruvasagar: add them to /etc/network/interfaces as dns-nameserver 8.8.8.8 whatever.... man resolvconf  shows the "new way"
[08:39] <Phoenixxl> oh i have them as 3rd and 4th as well :)
[08:39] <Phoenixxl> i'm just saying
[08:40] <dhruvasagar> matanya: it will be, but /etc/resolve.conf will be regenerated once I reconnect
[08:40] <Phoenixxl> there's worse than google out there as well
[08:40] <dhruvasagar> matanya: just changing /etc/resolve.conf is a temporary solution...I want it permanent :)
[08:40] <matanya> i see what you are trying to achieve
[08:40] <Phoenixxl> sign of the times n stuff
[08:40] <histo> dhruvasagar: then add them to /etc/network/interfaces as I suggested
[08:40] <dhruvasagar> histo: ahh that sounds like a solution, thanks checking
[08:40] <[nas]peter> Could there be something like SecureBoot that is fucking up?
[08:41] <histo> !language | [nas]peter
[08:41] <dhruvasagar> hehe
[08:41] <histo> [nas]peter: where do you see the IO errors?
[08:41] <ObrienDave> Phoenixxl, something for you to think about... if you buy something on credit, by the time you get the card in your wallet, "big brother" knows EXACTLY what you bought and where you are. LMAO
[08:41] <matanya> [nas]peter: hdd has nothing to do with secureboot
[08:41] <maum> can someone download the files in mirror.emulab.net/cygwin ?
[08:41] <Phoenixxl> I do know┬Ą
[08:42] <histo> maum: What does that have to do with ubuntu?
[08:42] <Phoenixxl> I worked as a programmer & sys admin in a small local bank
[08:42] <ObrienDave> *bites tongue*
[08:42] <maum> histo: I tried to download that files on ubuntu by wget but it cannot be downloaded.
[08:43] <histo> maum: then try a different mirror
[08:43] <histo> maum: also why would you be downloading cygwin files on linux?
[08:43] <Phoenixxl> back in the day credit checks were done with dial up , there was a special bbs dedicate dto tit .. you give in a name , and a 8 digit code comes out
[08:43] <Phoenixxl> very creepy
[08:44] <maum> histo: there is a long story .. and there is no other mirror. but I can download the files from web. but there are a bunch of files.
[08:44] <[nas]peter> matanya, it might not have anything to do with it, but the IO was good on Windows 7
[08:44] <histo> maum: what wget command are you trying?
[08:44] <Phoenixxl> it is here.. but I try to avoid it where i still can .. i'm under no illusion i can completelkyt avoid it
[08:44] <[nas]peter> now I get ~9MB/s
[08:45] <ObrienDave> maum, i can D/L them. what's the problem?
[08:45] <histo> [nas]peter: ahh the speed not IO errors
[08:45] <histo> [nas]peter: what was the speed in m$?
[08:45] <matanya> [nas]peter: it is all other thing
[08:45] <maum> histo: wget mirror.emulab.net/cygwin
[08:45] <ObrienDave> maum, i can D/L them. what's the problem?
[08:46] <[nas]peter> histo, I used a dd command to measure the speed
[08:46] <maum> ObrienDave:  you can download all of them?
[08:46] <histo> maum: that's a html page so yes I can cl cygwin
[08:46] <ObrienDave> maum, i got the setup file and the .ini file
[08:46] <Phoenixxl> as for credit.. i'm one of those old timers that , if I want something really expensive , I put some money aside till i have enough .. *gasp*
[08:47] <[nas]peter> I also ran that test in a VM on windows
[08:47] <[nas]peter> and it got 90MB/s
[08:47] <kishy> hey
[08:47] <maum> ObrienDave: there are many files in release folder so.. I want it all.
[08:47] <bestdnd> how can i enlarge my swap file?
[08:47] <Phoenixxl> bestdnd it's a partition on linux
[08:47] <ObrienDave> then run the setup, and THEN D/L the rest of the files
[08:48] <Phoenixxl> if you have free space on your hd is's easy as pie
[08:48] <histo> maum: wget
[08:48] <Phoenixxl> if not you'll have to resize n stull .. i wouldn't recommend it unless youve done it before.. on a non critical system
[08:48] <bestdnd> can i do it on my secondary HD?
[08:48] <Phoenixxl> bestdnd, sure
[08:48] <maum> histo: can you download them by wget?
[08:48] <histo> maum:
[08:48] <histo>   maum wget  mirror.emulab.net/cygwin/setup.exe
[08:49] <dhruvasagar> histo: thanks, it works :)
[08:49] <Phoenixxl> bestdnd, if you have free spacs in the form of non partitioned room
[08:49] <maum> histo: there are other file except for setup.exe
[08:49] <bestdnd> no, i need to resize my partitions for it
[08:50] <maum> histo: http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin/release/
[08:50] <Phoenixxl> there are ways ... but they're a bit iffy ..
[08:51] <Phoenixxl> you can DD zeroes to a file ..
[08:51] <histo> maum: http doesn't support globbing
[08:51] <Phoenixxl> then mlkswap the file
[08:51] <Phoenixxl> then swapon the file
[08:51] <Phoenixxl> i meant mkswap not mlk
[08:51] <maum> histo: i don't understand
[08:51] <bestdnd> is there a manual for it? i don't know all these commands
[08:52] <Phoenixxl> let me see
[08:52] <matanya> !swap
[08:52] <Phoenixxl> bestdnd, http://www.google.com/#safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=using+a+file+for+swap+space+linux&oq=using+a+file+for+swap+space+linux&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30.90081.95085.1.95260.33.31.0.2.2.0.171.3130.21j10.31.0...0.0.0..1c.1.12.psy-ab.5EK88KjR_uA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.ZWU&fp=feb79b512fef99ff&biw=1664&bih=852
[08:52] <histo> matanya: try wget -m http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin
[08:52] <bestdnd> thanks
[08:52] <vadmeste> Hello everybody. I have Ubuntu 12.04 and I cannot find fsck.ext2 though e2fslibs package is installed. Is that normal ?
[08:53] <histo> maum: try wget -m http://mirror.emulab.net/cygwin
[08:53] <Phoenixxl> it's not a very good solution though .. since evey call goes over your filesystem as well
[08:54] <histo> maum: you can add -k if you want to fix the links within the html pages that it dl's during the mirror process but that will get all your files you want. It mirrors the site.
[08:54] <Phoenixxl> bestdnd, the next hdd you put in , reserve some swap on it
[08:54] <histo> bestdnd: you can resize your current swap or make a swapfile the choice is yours
[08:54] <[nas]peter> It seems like my hardware besides the disk can't be the issue: http://pastie.org/7973051
[08:54] <maum> histo: Thanks, it works.
[08:55] <[nas]peter> my PC has SATA3
[08:56] <histo> maum: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/09/the-ultimate-wget-download-guide-with-15-awesome-examples/
[08:57] <histo> [nas]peter: what's wrong with 170MB/sec?
[08:57] <maum> histo: I see, thanks.
[08:58] <KyouReeus4nfo> join #offsec
[09:02] <[nas]peter> histo, that's everything except read/write
[09:02] <histo> [nas]peter: yes and what kind of IO do you expect to see?
[09:02] <[nas]peter> at least 60MB/s
[09:03] <histo> [nas]peter: how are you testing?
[09:03] <[nas]peter> http://pastie.org/7973123
[09:03] <histo> [nas]peter: change you block size
[09:03] <histo> s/you/your/
[09:04] <histo> [nas]peter: Increase it to like 1M
[09:04] <[nas]peter> histo, would removing SWAP also help?
[09:05] <histo> [nas]peter: I have no idea what sort of cache your drive is using. You'd have to look at the label. Typically modern disks are around a 2MB cache size. You are only writing 8k to the cache then it writes to the disk then gets another 8k etc... that is slowing down your IO using bs=8k
[09:05] <histo> [nas]peter: swap has nothing to do with your "test"
[09:06] <histo> [nas]peter: dd is not an effective test of IO performance unless you specify a bs that is equal to your cache size. I would use another tool if you don't understand.
[09:07] <parapan> hello folks; I'm using 12.04 - is there any ad-hoc webserver I can setup in ubuntu ?
[09:07] <histo> [nas]peter: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1198691/testing-io-performance-in-linux
[09:07] <matanya> parapan: apache
[09:07] <histo> parapan: what do you mean by "ad-hoc"?
[09:07] <parapan> basically i want to share some files which are larger for e-mail - 20-30 Mb
[09:08] <parapan> matanya: this is not quite with one click is it ?
[09:08] <parapan> histo
[09:08] <matanya> no, it isn't parapan
[09:08] <[nas]peter> histo, and using: System > Administration > Disk utility menu
[09:08] <DJones> parapan: If there's not too many files, have you thought about using Ubuntu One or Dropbox, both of them have a couple of GB's f storage space
[09:08] <parapan> histo: something like filezilla let's say . . . .just click , open a program and share a file .....like a FPT server ....
[09:09] <histo> parapan: what are you sharing to? windows boxes or linux boxes?
[09:10] <parapan> DJones: didn't knew about them ....just want to share few files once per month . . .
[09:10] <parapan> histo: windows quite sure
[09:10] <histo> parapan: ifyou have python installed "python -m SimpleHTTPServer [port]"
[09:10] <ObrienDave> Google Drive gives you 5GB free
[09:11] <parapan> matanya: k, you're correct, I was mistaking ....thinking on a webserver only for sharing 2-3 files ...it's not worted ..
[09:11] <ObrienDave> sorry people, bed time. good nite all
[09:11] <DJones> parapan: Dropbox should do that quite easily, just create an account, install the the app on each machine (windows and linux clients) log in and it creates a folder on each machine that you can drop files into & they'll be duplicated on each machine when they're logged in
[09:12] <histo> parapan: you should have python by default the command I gave you will start an HTTP server in the current directory so they can pull the files at the specified port.
[09:13] <parapan> histo: cool > but what will be the web address to access ???
[09:13] <parapan> DJones: thanks - it sound cool and i'll look into it ..but they want to pick up the files not to install softwares and stuff ...
[09:13] <histo> parapan: your IP address:port
[09:14] <histo> parapan: unless you do port 80 then they could just go to your IP and see the content. Is this for just local sharing or out over the internets?
[09:14] <matanya> parapan: you need to allow it your router if your
[09:14] <matanya> *if you have
[09:15] <parapan> histo: i'll try that > is over internet
[09:15] <parapan> matanya: if i'm using 80 i wont need that correct ?
[09:15] <matanya> you will need forwarding
[09:15] <histo> parapan: well you could get a free url name from places like dyndns.org or others and point it at your IP. But if you are gonig to go through all that drama for a simple http server that you are going to put up and take down etc...?
[09:16] <histo> parapan: if you want something more permanent... I would definately setup apache and a URL. Control access with .htaccess files etc...
[09:17] <DJones> parapan: Another to consider with a web server, do you have a fixed ip address? If not you'll probably need to use something like dyndns to give a fixed address for people to connect to which then goes to whatever your ip address is, that would need to be set to update if your ip address changed
[09:20] <parapan> DJones: histo: I have the permanent webserver setup with apache only not handy at the moment ....I want an extremely fast way to share a file which can be downloaded most easily via http or ftp ....
[09:20] <cristian_c> Hi
[09:21] <parapan> and maybe I can use teamviewer also ...for file transfer ...but this lwill require the install on the other PC ....
[09:21] <cristian_c> How can I switch audio from mono to stereo?
[09:21] <histo> parapan: well the temporary way with python is one option. The other option is using scp over ssh
[09:21] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[09:21] <histo> parapan: or sftp.
[09:22] <histo> parapan: basically if you want to share a file in directory /home/parapan/good_stuff  you just cd /home/parapan/good_stuff  then python -m SimpleHTTPServer   and it will start up an http server in that directory so they can pull the file. When done just hit ctrl+c to stop the server
[09:23] <histo> parapan: You need to setup port forwarding on your router to whatever port you are going to use like 8000 or 80 pointed at your internal IP address. So then they just go to yourpublic.ip:8000  or whatever and can see your files.
[09:23] <histo> parapan: portforward.com
[09:23] <histo> cristian_c: what type of audio file?
[09:24] <histo> parapan: there are many options python -m one should only be used as just a quick dirty http server to share a file then take it down.
[09:24] <SarcasticGoats> Does anyone know how to make the xrandr command run at startup?
[09:24] <histo> SarcasticGoats: create a /etc/xorg.conf
[09:25] <histo> SarcasticGoats: actually /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:25] <cristian_c> histo, all the audio files
[09:25] <histo> cristian_c: You only have mono audio coming from your system?
[09:25] <cristian_c> histo, yes
[09:25] <SarcasticGoats> Histo: When I try xorg -configure it says fatal server error
[09:25] <histo> cristian_c: are your speakers plugged in all the way?
[09:25] <cristian_c> I don't know why
[09:26] <cristian_c> histo, i've got an headphone out
[09:26] <histo> !xorg.conf | SarcasticGoats
[09:26] <cristian_c> histo, but nothing works
[09:26] <cristian_c> :(
[09:26] <SarcasticGoats> cristian_c: Sometimes if your speaker plug isn't fully inserted into the jack then you'll only get mono
[09:26] <parapan> histo: exactly my aim ....for 20 minutes up then, down forever :D; yes, I'll need the port forwarding for sure unless I'll have a static IP; one more q - what will be the default folder for the shared files ???
[09:26] <histo> cristian_c: check by right clicking on the volume icon and going to sound properties make sure it's set to stereo duplex or whatever.
[09:27] <parapan> histo: you said something to release command python directly on the folder where the shared files are ??/
[09:27] <cristian_c> SarcasticGoats, the plug is fully inserted
[09:27] <histo> parapan: whatever directory you are in when you execute python -m SimpleHTTPServer will be served
[09:27] <histo> cristian_c: check sound properties
[09:27] <cristian_c> histo, in pavucontrol, duplex analog stereo is selected
[09:28] <histo> cristian_c: are you headphones broken?
[09:29] <cristian_c> histo, no
[09:29] <histo> cristian_c: check your left and right levels in alsamixer or some other mixer.
[09:30] <parapan> histo: how do you close python ?
[09:30] <histo> parapan: ctrl+c
[09:30] <gotwig> Please help me :( My networkusername changed for NetworkManager, and I am not anymore able to login with the new one :(   my new username is something like bg\username , my old username was username
[09:31] <gotwig> When I check the NetworkManager profile, it says even my username is bg\\username !!
[09:31] <gotwig> but it should use simply bg\username
[09:31] <gotwig> it cant use that, why?!
[09:31] <cristian_c> histo, I don't see strange things
[09:31] <cristian_c> histo, in alsmixer
[09:31] <cristian_c> *alsamixer
[09:31] <gotwig> I cant search anything for that, nothing on google at all. You cant search for one charachter at google
[09:31] <histo> cristian_c: Is this a desktop or laptop?
[09:32] <parapan> histo: a little complication : the requested url cannot be retrieved ..error 10001
[09:32] <histo> parapan: huh?
[09:32] <cristian_c> histo, left and right are at the same level in pavucontrol
[09:32] <gotwig> My simple question is: Why is NetworkManager not able to transmit my username in this form ?! "bg\username" ??
[09:32] <cristian_c> histo, laptop
[09:32] <[nas]peter> I ran Iometer and that says I have 106MB/s
[09:32] <[nas]peter> as average
[09:32] <parapan> histo: cannot be reached from internet
[09:32] <histo> parapan: did you setup the port forward?
[09:33] <histo> [nas]peter: okay so what's the problem?
[09:33] <histo> cristian_c: try the built in speakers are those in stereo?
[09:33] <parapan> yeap > on port 81 ...let me try another port
[09:33] <[nas]peter> histo, when I run apt-get update, my PC nearly crashes and all programs become darker and are non-responsive
[09:33] <gotwig> what is the best alternative to NetworkManager ?
[09:33] <matanya> gotwig: wicd
[09:33] <cristian_c> histo, I've tried headphones and external speakers
[09:33] <histo> gotwig: second wicd
[09:34] <histo> !sound | cristian_c I have no idea but try some of this
[09:34] <cristian_c> histo, I don't understand if the builtin speakers are working
[09:34] <gotwig> does wicd support every thing that NetworkManager does?
[09:34] <gotwig> what about WPA2 Enterprise Wifi access points via username and password?
[09:34] <histo> cristian_c: Perhaps a wire is loose on the jack
[09:34] <cristian_c> histo, I'll try to read these pages
[09:34] <SarcasticGoats> histo: Is there an easy guide for setting up the resolution bit of xorg.conf
[09:35] <parapan> histo: same issue : however ....the python is saying serving HTTP server on 0.0.0.0 on port 81 .......shouldn't 0.0.0.0 be the local IP ???
[09:35] <histo> gotwig: yes and there is a curses interface and applet it's up to you which you want to use.
[09:35] <SarcasticGoats> Histo: Never mind I've found one I tik
[09:35] <SarcasticGoats> Think*
[09:35]  * gotwig is very depressed. Ubuntu is so broken ...
[09:36] <histo> parapan: if you are using a port under 1000 you will need to use sudo
[09:37] <histo> parapan: actually anything below 1024 I believe.
[09:37] <parapan> histo: course I'm using sudo
[09:37] <histo> parapan: try browsing on that machine to http://localhost:portnumber
[09:39] <parapan> histo: you're the man ....the port number was too low :d
[09:39] <parapan> with the sudo it didn't worked
[09:39] <hanwentao> is there a way to select a mirror manually during installation?
[09:40] <histo> parapan: yeah anything under 1024 requires root permissions.   that's odd that with sudo it wouldn't work. Perhaps sudo -i python -m ... would work
[09:40] <parapan> histo: made the setup on port 8000 and it's working like a rocket :D
[09:40] <[nas]peter> histo, http://pastie.org/7973270
[09:40] <histo> parapan: Yeah just use port 8000 then on your router forward port 80 to port 8000 of your internal ip
[09:40] <histo> parapan: then anyone that has your IP can get those files quickly
[09:40] <squaregoldfish> gotwig: Apparently it does, but I've never used it myself.
[09:41] <histo> [nas]peter: lol what?
[09:41] <parapan> histo: I guess I should get to root first ....and after that to launch the webserver ...anyway million thanks I have learned something today from the community :D
[09:41] <histo> gotwig: ubuntu inst browken
[09:41] <[nas]peter> I timed the IO
[09:41] <histo> parapan: yeah you can use any python module from cli like that with the -m switch
[09:41] <gotwig> histo: too many stuff is not working. too many, just saying
[09:42] <parapan> histo: i recently moved from 10.4 to 12.04 do you know the reason for using Libre office now instead ooo ?
[09:42] <histo> parapan: OO forked
[09:42] <parapan> histo: first I have to know what python is ;)
[09:42] <histo> gotwig: Like what?
[09:43] <parapan> histo: "forked" ? meaning
[09:43] <histo> gotwig: It works for millions of people. Just because you are experiencing problems does not mean it's broken for all.
[09:43] <gotwig> histo: you have no idea
[09:43] <histo> parapan: the project split into two. Open Office is still there and there is LibreOffice which is a fork of it.
[09:44] <gotwig> every operating system is somehow broken
[09:44] <gotwig> and window is the most broken one
[09:44] <[nas]peter> histo, my disk has 23mb cache
[09:44] <histo> gotwig: well perhaps your definition of broken is different from 99% of the world.
[09:44] <parapan> histo: aaaa ...just like a fork with 3 "fingers"
[09:44] <histo> parapan: like a fork in the road
[09:44] <parapan> histo: that's a joke :d
[09:44] <inflex> trying to work out if I have a hardware of software fault. Have a HP Touchsmart (all in one) 600-1000 with an nVidia GT230 chipset.  Rescue linux runs fine on it so long as I use frame-buffer mode, but Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04 both just deliver a black screen after the initial text-console scrolling boot messages :(
[09:45] <histo> parapan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libreoffice has information about the fork
[09:45] <parapan> histo: k, thanks man - have a good day and see you around
[09:45] <gotwig> *windows
[09:45] <histo> !nomodeset | inflex
[09:45] <inflex> danke!
[09:46] <gotwig> histo: in fact it always is windows fault, when you use windows methods
[09:47] <cristian_c> histo, I've looked at he links you posted
[09:47] <cristian_c> histo, but I don't know what to do
[09:47] <cristian_c> :(
[09:49] <inflex> Got to say, it's rare for me to hit a GFX issue on boot with Linux these days, so that one threw me
[09:50] <histo> cristian_c: the troubleshooting one would be a good start. Although from what you are describing I bet you have an issue with hardware e.g. loose wire
[09:50] <cristian_c> histo, previously it worked
[09:50] <cjbirk> i am the plunderer
[09:50] <cjbirk> the great icelandic snow king
[09:50] <cjbirk> and i use ubuntu.
[09:51] <histo> cristian_c: previously we lived in caves
[09:51] <cristian_c> lol
[09:51] <histo> cristian_c: What has changed since then
[09:51] <cristian_c> histo, I don't know, I'll try some tries with live cd
[09:52] <cristian_c> :)
[10:01] <tom> hi all - i've got two displays, is there a way to only have one working at a time, and to switch between the tw
[10:01] <tom> o
[10:16] <amiral_> hi iwas reading a book and i found this :" As an example of the overhead of making a system call, consider the getppid()
[10:16] <amiral_> system call, which simply returns the process ID of the parent of the calling
[10:16] <amiral_> process. On one of the authorŌĆÖs x86-32 systems running Linux 2.6.25, 10 million
[10:16] <amiral_> calls to getppid() required approximately 2.2 seconds to complete. This amounts
[10:16] <amiral_> to around 0.3 microseconds per call. By comparison, on the same system, 10 million
[10:16] <amiral_> calls to a C function that simply returns an integer required 0.11 seconds, or
[10:16] <amiral_> around one-twentieth of the time required for calls to getppid()."
[10:16] <FloodBot1> amiral_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:17] <amiral_> do really think system call make more overhead than libc function warper
[10:17] <amiral_> ??
[10:26] <minh> hello
[10:26] <Phoenixxl> amiral_, how many times would you need to get a pid in your program ..
[10:27] <Sandman> Hehe, Compiz crashed when I started XChat :)
[10:27] <Phoenixxl> amiller, stick to the advised way of doing things
[10:27] <Phoenixxl> amiller, speeding up programs should be done inside the main loop
[10:27] <Jose_Spanish> any girl want to chat with Spanish?
[10:28] <Phoenixxl> amiller, not pinching pennies off archaic system calls .
[10:29] <Phoenixxl> Jose_Spanish, the "girl" that will start the conversation will have a bigger dick than you I bet.
[10:31] <migadoo> Phoenixxl: stop pm me.
[10:31] <dsirijus> there should be #ubuntu-dating
[10:32] <rohan> Hello everyone
[10:32] <Phoenixxl> migadoo, go play with your legos http://i.imgur.com/kzyJCRs.png
[10:34] <rohan> any one tell me about interfaces file.
[10:39] <feitinge1> rohan: i can't tell it as good as "man interfaces" can.
[10:40] <Phoenixxl> rohan, if you want to mess with it , i would say , make a virtual machine , install linux on that , and have a field day
[10:41] <Phoenixxl> don't experiment on your running system
[10:41] <Phoenixxl> rohan, the chances you break it are not negligible
[10:42] <Phoenixxl> rohan, it's not as dangerous as playing with fstab but still ..
[10:48] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[10:51] <emka> Hi, using 10.04 LTS, how should update just the security updates?
[10:51] <cfhowlett> emka, as it's not longer supported ... can't
[10:51] <emka> is this enough?
[10:51] <emka> sudo apt-get install unattended-upgrades
[10:51] <emka> sudo unattended-upgrade
[10:51] <thunder1212> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcapi20-3_1%3a3.25+dfsg1-3wheezy1+6.0trisquel1_i386.deb: './usr/share/doc/libcapi20-3/changelog.Debian.gz' is different from the same file on the system
[10:51] <thunder1212> I got this error while installing wine on my system am suing 64bit
[10:51] <cfhowlett> emka, it's end of life, i.e. no longer supported
[10:52] <emka> ok
[10:52] <emka> so what should I do then?
[10:52] <cfhowlett> emka, upgrade to 12.04 is my recommendation.
[10:52] <emka> ouch...
[10:52] <cfhowlett> emka, is this a server?
[10:52] <emka> yes
[10:53] <emka> running a couple of web apps
[10:53] <cfhowlett> emka, consider your options.  IMHO, running a non-supported public facing server lacking supported/updates is inadvisable
[10:54] <emka> yes
[10:54] <emka> it is not mine tho...
[10:54] <emka> but I've been asked to check for what to do
[10:55] <emka> Is it "safe" to just do do-release-upgrade
[10:55] <emka> feels like that could give us a lot of problems
[10:55] <cfhowlett> emka, personally, I'd torrent 12.04, burn or USB the ISO and clean install.
[10:56] <emka> ok
[11:00] <hs_> hello , in unity-greeter , is there a specific size for the logo or any size i want ?
[11:01] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, I got 2 adsl connections (that are put into 2 routers) can I use both ? (http://askubuntu.com/questions/299018/using-multiple-internet-connections-on-ubuntu) ?
[11:01] <emka> cfhowlett: okŌĆ”and reinstall/configure everything from scratch againŌĆ” :) I don't use muppet
[11:01] <emka> Puppt*
[11:01] <cfhowlett> emka, wait
[11:02] <cfhowlett> emka, if you have your /home in a dedicated partition, you just install the system files and reinstall your apps.  your configurations will then be retained
[11:02] <cfhowlett> emka, just don't format the /home and you're good
[11:03] <hs_> hello , in unity-greeter , is there a specific size for the logo or any size i want ?
[11:03] <emka> yeah but not all apache/ruby stuff I guess
[11:04] <cfhowlett> emka, pretty sure there's a way to retain those settings ... ask in #ubuntu-server
[11:06] <fractaline> cfhowlett, can one move /home to a separate partition in preparation for clean install?
[11:06] <petervonfrosta> tvoss ping
[11:06] <gordonjcp> fractaline: yes
[11:06] <petervonfrosta> tvoss, ping
[11:07] <emka> ok
[11:07] <cfhowlett> fractaline, you can setup a /home and THEN clean install ...
[11:07] <emka> cfhowlett: Thanks! I think I have to do some reading first
[11:07] <cfhowlett> emka, best of luck.
[11:07] <emka> ty
[11:09] <guest55555_> Hi.
[11:10] <handuel> 'ello there
[11:10] <cfhowlett> fractaline, see http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[11:10] <cfhowlett> guest55555_, greetings
[11:10] <fractaline> i am running kubuntu 13.04 (which is really kubuntu-desktop installed on ubuntu) i'd like to do a clean install of 13.04 64bit...  looking for the best way
[11:11] <fractaline> cfhowlett, i'll have a look     ty
[11:12] <cfhowlett> fractaline, make your /home, torrent 13.04, make a boot usb/cdrom and install
[11:12] <guest55555_> During an installation of Ubuntu when creating LVMs - is there a way to specify GiB instead of GB? "df -h" looks so ugly after specifying "10G" during installation (as the LVM only has 9.31GiB).
[11:12] <guest55555_> Or any workaround to really have 10GiB?
[11:12] <fractaline> you mean make an empty /home??
[11:13] <hillary> what command can i use to move from one directory to another ubuntu 12.04
[11:13] <fractaline> fine for future use but how about saving settings?
[11:13] <cfhowlett> fractaline, no I meant, as in the previous link, make a dedicated /home and move your files there.  Also, back up.  of course.  then install
[11:13] <cfhowlett> hillary, cd
[11:13] <fractaline> i see
[11:13] <cfhowlett> hillary, eeks.  no.  I think it's cp
[11:14] <Leighton> hillary: cd directoryname
[11:14] <hillary> i want to move from pwd to Downloads
[11:14] <cfhowlett> Leighton, and to move the files?
[11:16] <hillary> cd /Downloads i get  bash cd: /Downloads: No such files or Directory
[11:16] <Leighton> hillary: ohhhh, I thought you meant move like change "location". cp will copy files, not move them
[11:16] <jrib> hillary: ~/Downloads
[11:17] <KyouReeus4nfo> mv
[11:17] <cfhowlett> hillary, as kyouReeus4nfo stated: mv
[11:19] <gravity__> hi
[11:19] <cfhowlett> gravity__, greetings
[11:22] <gravity__> I am using Backtrack 5, and I am on a LAN network  where we need authentification before getting connected to internet, my problem is that I am able to load download commands in the terminal, the download will not reach to the end. Thus how can I enter my authentification information in the terminal in order to download?
[11:22] <cfhowlett> !bt|gravity__,
[11:22] <DJones> !backtrack | gravity__
[11:22] <hillary> cfhowlett: not working still. i use to use cd ~/Downloads but now it has refused
[11:23] <cfhowlett> hillary, within your own account?  not normal ...
[11:23] <hillary> yap within my own account
[11:24] <raincode> i'm use ubuntu 10.04. i want to write programmer language. i want to try C. how to basic write code in C without external application. in this topic i want just use gedit and terminal. can help me how to write simple C program ?.example just to write output message in terminal as "hello",help me sir
[11:24] <hillary> i run update and see what might happened
[11:24] <cfhowlett> hillary, error message?  and what exact command did your urn
[11:24] <hillary> cd ~/Downloads
[11:24] <cfhowlett> raincode, 10.04 is end of life.  not sure you want to learn programming on an unsupported OS ....
[11:25] <hillary> bash: cd: /home/hillary/Downloads: No such file or directory when i run  cd ~/Downloads
[11:25] <cfhowlett> hillary, so, just for fun, try with sudo ...
[11:25] <raincode> cfhowlett, what your mean about "10.04 is end of life"?
[11:26] <cfhowlett> !eol|raincode,
[11:26] <raincode> cfhowlett, what you mean about "10.04 is end of life"?
[11:26] <auronandace> raincode: 10.04 is no longer supoorted on the desktop
[11:26] <cfhowlett> raincode, 10.04 was supported for 3 years on the desktop ...
[11:27] <raincode> so, what can i do ?,what i must use?
[11:27] <KyouReeus4nfo> gcc
[11:28] <cfhowlett> raincode, update to 12.04 is my recommendation ...
[11:28] <fractaline> cfhowlett,  what size is recommendable for the /home partition?
[11:28] <cfhowlett> fractaline, depends on your own use.  look at what you have currently and take your best guess as to future needs
[11:28] <fractaline> fair enough
[11:29] <hillary> even with sudo it has not work
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:29] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, howdy
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hey cfhowlett
[11:29] <fractaline> hey BluesKaj
[11:29] <jnaour> Hi, I have a strange problem: I use a project name ElasticSearch and I want to allow more Java Heap Space to it. So I do a "bin/elasticsearch -f -Xmx4g -Xms4g", but it doesn't work. When I launch the exact same command in root mode it works, there is 4g allowed to ElasticSearch JVM. Is there some perms configuration that could limit the memory that I can allow to it in user mode?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hey fractaline
[11:30] <raincode> cfhowleft, you recomend me to update, that mean i must update from ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 OR i remove ubuntu 10.04 then install new to 12.04??
[11:30] <jnaour> named*
[11:30] <cfhowlett> raincode, no need to remove anything.  torrent 12.04, make a boot usb/cdrom and clean install.  OR you could try direct upgrade assuming your software sources are set to LTS only
[11:31] <auronandace> raincode: up to you (i prefer a fresh install, less can go wrong)
[11:31] <cfhowlett> raincode, but I'd definitely go with torrent/clean install rather than software upgrade
[11:31] <handuel> raincode: ignoring 10.04 being EOL, this is the same in all versions sudo apt-get install binutils build-essential to install the compiler. Hello world program #include <stdio.h> int main(int argc, char* argv[]){printf("Hello\n"); return 0;} to compile gcc nameofcfile.c -o test to run ./test
[11:32] <cfhowlett> handuel, true but he's learning coding ... on an unsupported OS.  Just don't seem right, somehow.
[11:33] <handuel> cfhowlett: yes, but I'm just answering his question, he should still update, but I'm saying that is what he should do, on any version, even once he updates
[11:33] <cfhowlett> handuel, understood.  thanks for clarifying
[11:33] <cfhowlett> handuel, and that's a sweet bit of coding you wrote
[11:34] <handuel> cfhowlett: sarcasm?
[11:34] <guest55555_> Noone that can help with my LVM/GiB/GB question? :-)
[11:34] <cfhowlett> handuel, not the least.
[11:34] <KyouReeus4nfo> I would just do echo Hello
[11:34] <cfhowlett> !cookie|handuel,
[11:35] <handuel> Thanks :)
[11:35] <handuel> guest55555_ if you click something else when installing, can't you just manually set the partition size
[11:36] <guest55555_> i *can* specify 10G - but this will by 10 gigabyte and not 10 gibibyte
[11:36] <guest55555_> s/by/be/
[11:36] <raincode> handuel, thx for your code in C. i'm usually using python, but i want to learn high to low programming language as C, but assembly i delay its caused i want learn one by one.
[11:36] <raincode> cfhowleft thx for your sugestion
[11:37] <cfhowlett> raincode, best of luck
[11:37] <raincode> maybe if i have time, i thinking about your solution
[11:37] <handuel> raincode: fair enough, quite obviously there are more human readable ways of writing that, (new lines and indentation and such, however all on one line would work.)
[11:38] <raincode> for all , i'm so sorry if my english is not good,so i just to try communication with you all here
[11:38] <cfhowlett> raincode, we understood fine
[11:39] <raincode> thx, cfhowlett . .
[11:39] <handuel> raincode: ur english is great!  I've met less gramatically correct born and bread british teens
[11:39] <ichat> quick question
[11:40] <raincode> your solution is True for our system security and to future,
[11:40] <scotty^> lol
[11:40] <ichat> how can i  get back the behavior of   ctrl + alt +  backspace
[11:40] <DJones> ichat: To restart X?
[11:40] <ichat> DJones,  yes
[11:41] <DJones> ichat: There is an option in one of the system setting to enable that, give me a minute to see if I can find it
[11:41] <handuel> settings->keyboard->shortcuts->system edit logout to be ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:41] <hillary> something wrong with nu cd command ubuntu 12.04
[11:41] <DJones> ichat: See what handuel They got it
[11:42] <DJones> ichat: See what handuel just put, they got it
[11:42] <hillary> i try cd ~/Downloads or any directory it says no such file or directory
[11:42] <ichat> handuel,  tnx
[11:44] <cfhowlett> hillary, try ls to see your options
[11:46] <hongxuchen> exit
[11:47] <hillary> ls displays what is in pwd
[11:48] <scotty^> ichat - a better option is described in the last answer at http://askubuntu.com/questions/10622/how-can-i-enable-ctrlaltbackspace
[11:48] <raincode> sir, can give me sugestion , priority language that we must learn in ubuntu?
[11:48] <raincode> c or python?
[11:49] <scotty^> hillary - You want cd $HOME/Downloads
[11:49] <hillary> yes
[11:50] <scotty^> ichat - that way you can still really logout via the keyboard and zap the xserver
[11:52] <hillary> Sorry guys my Downloads directory was wrongly moved by me to Documents directory. Things working ok after moving it to home
[11:53] <cfhowlett> hillary, live and learn
[11:53] <rahmspinat_of_do> Hey there, does someone know how to disable desktop effects in Mint via Terminal?
[11:53] <lasers> !mint | rahmspinat_of_do
[11:54] <rahmspinat_of_do> mhkaythx
[11:54] <raincode> sir, how to diet our system?,its hard for process,.slow not quick process,
[11:54] <handuel> rahmspinaat_of_do: look into controlling gconf through the terminal, to find the exact keys go and ask on mint help
[11:54] <hillary> i need to extract a .zip file from downloads folder to /var/www/. what is the command? ubuntu 12.04
[11:55] <raincode> what wrong with me ?i'm install ubuntu using wubi.exe
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> raincode: its not a long term solution, its a try before you buy
[11:56] <raincode> my cdroom is error, how to move our ubuntu manualy without wubi.exe
[11:56] <cfhowlett> raincode, see, there's your problem right there ... wubi
[11:56] <handuel> raincode: do you own a usb stick
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> hillary: install unp and then run: cd /var/www; sudo unp ~/Download/filename.zip
[11:56] <NewUbuntu007> hello Ubuntu world, as a new Ubuntu user I face an issue in connecting to internet from the newly installed Ubuntu 13.04. Is this the right channel to post this type of question?
[11:56] <handuel> NewUbuntu007: yes
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> NewUbuntu007: yes this is the right channel
[11:56] <bsk> hillary: unzip ~/Downloads/my-file.zip -d /var/www
[11:56] <raincode> yes i have but my bios cannot support boot from usb
[11:56] <cfhowlett> !details|NewUbuntu007, yes.
[11:57] <cfhowlett> raincode, what?  how old is this computer?
[11:57] <handuel> how fr*ggin clever is that bot, how does it realise that information wasn't given :D
[11:57] <raincode> not old, travelmate 4020
[11:57] <bsk> hillary: remember that you must have write permissions on the destination folder
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> bsk: or use sudo, easier
[11:58] <ichat> handuel,  -   log-off is not the same as restarting the x server  specially not forcefully...  the reason for wanting ctrl+at+backspace was   that i had a game that crashed and set my  unity resolution to  640x480 ... and    i coul not even see the top pannel any more...
[11:58] <handuel> ichat: use alt+sysrq+k then
[11:58] <jrib> handuel: probably safe to assume that's always the case ;)
[11:58] <NewUbuntu007> Thanks - handuel, ActionParsnip, cfhowlett and ubottu. The problem is when I connect to internet from my Ubuntu computer, I am not able to connect via the network cable. I used the same physical connection with my Windows machine and it works.
[11:59] <ichat> what is  sysrq?
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> NewUbuntu007: can you ping your routr's internal IP?
[11:59] <bsk> ActionParsnip: whatever..
[11:59] <handuel> a key on your keyboard, often on the same thing as print-screen, you might have to hold fn or similar to be able to use it.
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> ichat: or run:  killall -u $USER     same deal :)
[11:59] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParnsnip - Yes, its 10.8.233.150
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> NewUbuntu007: if you ping 8.8.8.8 does it ping ok?
[12:01] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParnsnip: sorry, its 10.8.33.150
[12:02] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParsnip: Destination Host Unreachable is the output.
[12:02] <raincode> i want to migrate total from xp to unix.for this time my condition: C:\\ <<==xp,.(ntfs)  D:\\<<==ubuntu but with wubi.exe shown:4 virtual disk,  . can we change ubuntu wubi version, to ubuntu totality in D:\\??
[12:02] <RedBlade7> hi
[12:02] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParsnip: (Curious question) What does it mean when we ping 8.8.8.8?
[12:02] <RedBlade7> i set up kubuntu
[12:03] <RedBlade7> and then tried to install the amd drivers via the menu
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> NewUbuntu007: its a IP outside of your LAN
[12:03] <RedBlade7> but now it says "unsupported hardware" and locks up
[12:03] <gordonjcp> raincode: You'd need to remove the D: partition, Unix doesn't use MSDOS drives
[12:03] <ichat> hmmmm,
[12:03] <rahmspinat_of_do> NewUbuntu007: its googles dns server which is a very prominent ip that is propably always up
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> NewUbuntu007: does it reply?
[12:03] <RedBlade7> (there were two of them listed, i must've picked the wrong one)
[12:03] <RedBlade7> so now i cant boot
[12:03] <RedBlade7> how do i boot into text mode?
[12:03] <RedBlade7> recovery console forces read-only
[12:03] <RedBlade7> so i cant do anything
[12:04] <RedBlade7> also, there's no xorg.conf
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> RedBlade7: hold SHIFT at boot and boot to root recovery mode, then run:  mount -o rw,remount /
[12:04] <RedBlade7> i'm a slackware person so am good with the command line
[12:04] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParsnip: No
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> RedBlade7: so it may mount readonly but yuo can remount it writable
[12:04] <RedBlade7> ok
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> NewUbuntu007: so you can png your router but not outside? correct?
[12:04] <RedBlade7> also, where is the xorg.conf on kubuntu?
[12:05] <RedBlade7> it's not in /etc/X11
[12:05] <handuel> RedBlade7: no xorg by default now, use recovery mode from grub menu to access console, and as actionparsnip has stated, remount fs'es
[12:05] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParsnip: I will confirm that in a minute.
[12:05] <RedBlade7> hmm
[12:05] <RedBlade7> ok i'll try and get in to remove the packages
[12:05] <raincode> gordonjcp: my condition now, i'm on ubuntu that boot from d:\\wubi.exe, . can from here(from my condition) i change my root,home,usr,an other,..manualy
[12:05] <RedBlade7> will it boot properly once the proprietary packages are removed?
[12:05] <RedBlade7> go back to the nouveau
[12:06] <minixvm> raincode: wubi is no longer supported
[12:06] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParsnip: Actually, I dont know the answer to your question.
[12:06] <handuel> RedBlade7, should do yes. (BTW good luck, I had the exact same issue a few years ago, massive pain in the proverbial arse, luckily actionparsnip helped me through it :))
[12:06] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParsnip: I only did "ifconfig -a" and I got 'inet addr' as 10.8.33.150
[12:07] <RedBlade7> ok
[12:07] <RedBlade7> thank you in advance
[12:07] <raincode> C:\\ <- xp(that i want to remove, but not yet to this time,) ,D:\\<--my ubuntu now but boot from booting. and i have one empty drive g:\\<-empty
[12:07] <raincode> how to move my ubuntu from D:\\ to G:\\
[12:08] <raincode> without "halt"
[12:08] <ichat> ActionParsnip,  what was that killall command again
[12:09] <guest2218> .
[12:10] <raincode> thx minixvm
[12:10] <handuel> raincode: D:\ and G:\ are windows abstractions, they don't exist in ubuntu, you need to create a new ext4 partition
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> ichat: killall -u $USER
[12:11] <minixvm> !partitioning | raincode
[12:12] <raincode> handuel, so with my ubuntu now, i must format G:\ to ext4?
[12:12] <yebyen> anyone using raring (and possibly gnome ppa) got a message recently about update-initramfs failing to locate pango modules?  i got it when upgrading to 3.8.0-22 but the problem seems to be with initramfs-tools, since removing the newer kernel I still get the message with previous version
[12:13] <raincode> ubottu , thxt for your info, .
[12:13] <yebyen> Errors look just the same as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702040
[12:13] <yebyen> the last report on that debian bug
[12:13] <yebyen> except for the location of the pango modules
[12:13] <handuel> raincode: yes
[12:13] <NewUbuntu007> ActionParsnip: I have actually set varioius addresses in /etc/network/interfaces manually as instructed by our Network Operator
[12:14] <kisya>  hi
[12:14] <raincode> handuel, so with my ubuntu now, i must format G:\  to ext4 file system??
[12:14] <handuel> raincode: yes you must
[12:14] <kisya> is there a kernel package with pf patches applied?
[12:14] <handuel> raincode: and then use live installation media to install to the ext4 partition
[12:15] <raincode> if i have to do that(have format G to ext4),; can manually i'm copy my system from D:\ to G:\?
[12:15] <ichat> ActionParsnip,  - the command   killall -u $user   seams not to work.  so than i tried in a terminal   echo  $user   and i get a blank line   shouldn't  my logged on user be be printed with that command
[12:15] <minixvm> raincode: not from windows no
[12:15] <handuel> ichat echo $USER
[12:16] <raincode> from ubuntu, isn't it?
[12:16] <handuel> raincode: indeed
[12:16] <handuel> raincode: use the gparted program
[12:16] <minixvm> raincode: just perform a new install, forget copying a wubi install to a new one
[12:17] <Nilyth> Hi there
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> ichat: the word user is in caps, that's why I gave it in caps
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> ichat: you cannot change case of commands jusyt because you feel like it, things will not work
[12:19] <Nilyth> is there someone used with codeblocks and libsx?
[12:19] <cfhowlett> Nilyth, greetings
[12:19] <Nilyth> Hi o/
[12:20] <Nilyth> I'm a real newbie on the linux environement :(
[12:20] <raincode> for this time, i don't have ubuntu in cd.just have iso in drive. my burn cd-rw the function is error. so , that i can do?,i'm now in Ubuntu10.04 system.after i format g:\\ can i move my filesystem ubuntu manually using copy paste?,and how to configuration boot file?
[12:20] <handuel> raincode: I just thought, I don't know if this will work, so correct me if I'm wrong guys, but you may be able to format G:\ then install ubiquity on your current ubuntu, and use that to install to the partition
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> raincode: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[12:21] <minixvm> Nilyth: codeblocks is in the repos
[12:21] <handuel> ActionParsnip: think he's saying his disk drive actually has a hardware issue...
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> handuel: oic
[12:21] <Nilyth> ahah
[12:21] <Nilyth> I just need a compiler compatible with libsx :(
[12:22] <ichat> ActionParsnip,  soryr man  :P
[12:22] <minixvm> raincode: you can use a usb if your cd drive doesn't work
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> ichat: run commands as given, or unless instructed. You'll have fewer issues
[12:22] <handuel> raincode: the ubiquity solution that I suggested will not copy/paste your configuration, it will make a new one, so do backup any docs you want to copy across
[12:22] <handuel> minivm: his BIOS can't boot from USB :D
[12:23] <foofoobar> I underestimated how long gparted needs to shrink my 400gb partition to 300gb.. Its working since 4 hours now :|
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> handuel: is there a floppy drive?
[12:23] <raincode> ok sir, so for resume this problem,after i'm format g:\\, then install ubiquity. after install it, using ubiquity i use my ubuntu10.04.iso and give destination to g:\\?
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> raincode: do you have a floppy drive?
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> !away > GingerGeek[Away]
[12:23] <ichat> ActionParsnip,  -   do i need to reboot before the shortcut starts to work?
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> ichat: what shortcut?
[12:24] <raincode> i don't have floppy drive
[12:24] <raincode> sir
[12:24] <GingerGeek[Away]> ActionParsnip - i use it as i need in my otherr 50 channels
[12:26] <handuel> raincode: try sudo apt-get install ubiquity, then finding the "install ubuntu" program in the dash, and selecting to install to the so called G: partition, after formatting
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> GingerGeek[Away]: it unecessarily spams the channel. I have been away and come back hundreds of times, nobody cares. Just minimize the client
[12:27] <raincode> "backup any docs you want to copy across", in my current condition, if i have install in g:\\ and backup current d:\\ubuntu, can for temporary, i not remove d:\\ubuntu, so after installation we have 3 boot, (xp,current ubuntu in d:\\,and new ubuntu in g:)
[12:29] <handuel> raincode: yes, however when you install ubuntu in G:, it will use the ubuntu bootloader (grub), that won't recognise an installation within windows (wubi), so you won't be able to boot it any more
[12:30] <GingerGeek[Away]> ActionParsnip thats like saying join / part are useless. when i am away i am basically offline
[12:32] <raincode> thx ,.ok sir, now i want to try step by step,.
[12:32] <handuel> GingerGeek[Away] and ActionParsnip, consider discussing this in private chat so you don't spam here
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> GingerGeek[Away]: then be away, you don't need to change your nick each time. Why do you think the factoid exists....
[12:33] <madghost> help me please
[12:33] <cfhowlett> !details|madghost,
[12:33] <madghost> how I can run arp command from php in web server apache2 ?
[12:34] <madghost> I mean without password
[12:35] <madghost> I do it through shell_exec('/usr/sbin/arp') but output is empty (
[12:35] <rahmspinat_of_do> let it call a script. allow the use of it via sudo
[12:35] <minixvm> madghost: incase you don't get an answer here there is also #ubuntu-server
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> madghost: arp on its own here doesn't need a password, or sudo
[12:36] <madghost> I measn I need write somewhere some command for ubuntu don't ask password from user www-data
[12:36] <rahmspinat_of_do> ok? didnt expect that
[12:36] <madghost> sudo
[12:36] <madghost> yes
[12:36] <raincode> while process download now, i want to ask about xchat what some configuration in xchat for our safe?
[12:36] <madghost> ActionParsnip: sudo, you are right
[12:37] <raincode> is there setting for our security when we use xchat?
[12:37] <rahmspinat_of_do> i have been told that with sudo one can disable password requests for a command
[12:38] <jlkl> i installed a network speed indicator . i couldn't believe it shows the speed in a graphical form rather than numeric one.............
[12:38] <handuel> rahmspinat_of_do, that is true look in /etc/sudoers
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> madghost: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[12:38] <madghost> I wrote "visudo"
[12:39] <madghost> and here I wrote www-data ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/arp
[12:39] <madghost> but it doesn't work ((
[12:39] <madghost> I'm sad
[12:40] <jlkl> so you are mad and sad
[12:40] <madghost> )))
[12:41] <madghost> how I can switch user in Linux?
[12:41] <ichat> how strange
[12:42] <jlkl> what strange
[12:42] <jrib> madghost: graphically?
[12:42] <madghost> not graphicaly (
[12:42] <carpediembaby> hi, i just installed ubuntu 13.04 and it doesn't seem to boot. i see a black screen with a cursor and a pointer that is responsive. what could be wrong?
[12:43] <ichat> i go to   settings   keyboard  shortcuts  there i create    restart x  with command    killall -u   $USER  than i hit the keys  nothing happens...  then i run the same command in terminal and it works
[12:44] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|carpediembaby,
[12:44] <cfhowlett> madghost, su otheruser
[12:44] <madghost> how I can run some command from other user, not admin
[12:44] <madghost> I tried, thank you. I don't know password from user www-data :((((
[12:45] <carpediembaby> cfhowlett: i have a standard intel chipset...
[12:45] <rahmspinat_of_do> either su <username> or sudo -u <username>
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> carpediembaby: what video chip do you use?
[12:45] <rahmspinat_of_do> madghost
[12:45] <cfhowlett> carpediembaby, nomodeset is quite common and as your descriibed
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> ichat: if you go into keyboard settings you can re-enable the old ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:46] <carpediembaby> ActionParsnip: i never checked and now i can't boot in
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> carpediembaby: does the system have a make and model?
[12:46] <ichat> ActionParsnip,  im running  13.04   its not listed under system
[12:46] <jlkl> 13.04 is beta version
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> jlkl: 13.04 isn't beta now
[12:47] <carpediembaby> ActionParsnip: thikpad t410s without any dedicated graphic card.
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> ichat: under keyboard settings it is
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> carpediembaby: and you didn't think to check manufacturers website fo spec?
[12:48] <cfhowlett> carpediembaby, so it's an integrated gpu?  should be workable but you MIGHT try to login without unit ... use the alternate desktop environment
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> carpediembaby: seems to be an Intel GPU, try the nomodeset boot option
[12:48] <carpediembaby> ActionParsnip: i don't know what exactly you're asking. it has the intel chipset with integrated gpu
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> carpediembaby: use the nomodeset boot option
[12:49] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|carpediembaby, nomodeset happens on intel too.  see the link.  follow the steps.
[12:49] <carpediembaby> cfhowlett: yes it is integrated. i dont know how to set the nomodeset option
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> carpediembaby: read the guide ubottu gave
[12:50] <carpediembaby> ok, following the link
[12:51] <ichat> ActionParsnip,   under whitch    sub list its supposed to be  because under  ... system  where i gues it belongs i only have 2 options \
[12:51] <foofoobar> What happens if I cancel a gparted shrinking?
[12:52] <ichat> ActionParsnip,  i know that it used to be there ...  but i simply cant find it anymore
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> ichat: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-ctrl-alt-backspace-in-ubuntukubuntu-10-04lucid-lynx.html
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> ichat: try asking the web if yo ucan't find something, its chock full of how to guides
[12:53] <BluesKaj> foofoobar, it should revert to your previous setting , but it will take a while
[12:53] <cfhowlett> foofoobar, it SHOULD roll back any changes ... but I wouldn't advise it.  Let the job finish.
[12:54] <foofoobar> heh ok.. I just noticed that I schedulded the following job: 1) shrink partition from 400 to 300 2) shrink from 300 to 290. I'm still at step 1 (4h over)
[12:54] <foofoobar> I'm a bit frightend the second step will also need that long..
[12:54] <carpediembaby> ActionParsnip: i chose the temporary parameter option. it seems to work. but it looks like it might be in some very basic mode. the resolution is below par and the cursor is still blinking as if it were a terminal at the top left of the screen
[12:55] <pr0n> how do i disable ati radeon 5450 in ubuntu 12.04
[12:55] <cfhowlett> foofoobar, that sounds about right.  patience.
[12:55] <ichat> ActionParsnip,   thanks for  trying...  i guess ubuntu devs are  removing functionallity each version until  the day  that we could just as well use   laystone and chalk again...
[13:00] <adamk> pr0n: What do you mean by disabling that GPU? What is your end goal here?
[13:00] <carpediembaby> how can i make 13.04 to look for proprietary drivers?
[13:01] <aguitel> carpediembaby, what driver?
[13:02] <carpediembaby> aguitel: i was just asking about a problem with display. i fixed it with nomodeset. but it looks awefull
[13:02] <adamk> carpediembaby: If a proprietary driver is available and packaged for/by Ubuntu, it would show up under "Additional drivers"
[13:02] <Dr_willis> normally intel drivers/chipsets shouldent need nomodeset. they should just work.
[13:02] <adamk> Disabling KMS is generally not a good idea.
[13:03] <cfhowlett> *normally*
[13:03] <pr0n> due to my ati card my laptop gets heated alot, alot.. and there is over consumption of battery too.. so i want to stop it
[13:03] <Dr_willis> Intel drivers wouldent be shown in the  addational-drivers tool.
[13:03] <carpediembaby> adamk, Dr_willis : it is an intel chipset
[13:03] <b3rz3rk3r> I've just compiled fwbackups to run automated incremental backups in addition to my weekly disk images. Which folders should I be backing up on my OS install drive?
[13:03] <adamk> carpediembaby: Then there are no proprietary drivers.
[13:04] <rupert> Hi guys, I'm running LVM with some USB disks connected to a USB hub. Sometimes this hub resets which causes ubuntu to see the disks as new (they are given an increasing name, sdb instead of sda etc.) This messes up LVM because whenever I try to access a directory on the LVM I get an input/output error. Is there any way I can make the names persistent? I tried looking at udev but I'm not sure how to identify the disks (I tried by USB bus but that didn't 
[13:04] <Dr_willis> carpediembaby,  intel makes a lot of differnet video chipsets. there are ppa's for newer versions, and i rcall intell having some  tool/script out for installing the latest ones.
[13:04] <adamk> pr0n: There's no way to disable the discrete GPU in the BIOS?
[13:04] <carpediembaby> adamk: so the display will remain at this 1024x768 resolution with horrible graphics performance?
[13:05] <carpediembaby> Dr_willis: okay, i'll try to search for it
[13:05] <carpediembaby> thanks
[13:05] <ObrienDave> intel uses the mesa drivers. at least mine does
[13:05] <adamk> carpediembaby: Is it 1024x768 before or after you booted with "nomodeset"
[13:06] <ObrienDave> adamk, if you did that, i dont think you would see anything at all
[13:07] <carpediembaby> adamk: well before, i could only see the cursor. but it seemed to be at a good (actual) resolution. but now, if i go to appearance it says i have 2560x1600 but its clearly not that. my screen is 1368xsomething
[13:07] <carpediembaby> and there is no option to change the screen size. and i see jitter when i try to minimize/maximize stuff
[13:07] <adamk> carpediembaby: OK, the first thing I'd do is remove the nomodeset option. Disabling KMS generally causes problems.
[13:07] <adamk> Much like the ones you are describing.
[13:08] <pr0n> adamk: nope :(
[13:09] <carpediembaby> adamk: then it might not boot in again ... but i'll give it a try
[13:10] <amx109> i have this irritating bug where apt ges stuck on '100% reading package lists'. when my laptop first boots i dont have that problem, but after a day or so of uptime, apt-get becomes impossible to use. ive tried solutions for similar probelms but no result. can anyone help?
[13:10] <adamk> carpediembaby: Try to force a specific resolution with KMS by using the video=XRESxYRES option (ie. video=1368x768)
[13:11] <pr0n> i have already once burnt my cooling sink of my laptop, got it replaced today. i dont want to burn it down by usage of ubuntu again :(
[13:12] <ObrienDave> amx109, you might look into clearing the apt cache and reloading your sources
[13:13] <b3rz3rk3r> I've just compiled fwbackups to run automated incremental backups in addition to my weekly disk images. Which folders should I be backing up on my OS drive?
[13:14] <ObrienDave> b3rz3rk3r, usually just the ones under /home/user_name
[13:14] <adamk> pr0n: You could try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hybrid_graphics#Fully_Power_Down_Discrete_GPU
[13:15] <amx109> ObrienDave: ive done that before and it didnt help. ive ran strace and iotop..apt just seems to run through the package lists very very slowly
[13:15] <b3rz3rk3r> ObrienDave, that's what I figured, but thought I'd check just to be safe. Thanks :)
[13:16] <ObrienDave> amx109, do these commands look familiar?
[13:16] <ObrienDave> amx109, apt-get clean
[13:16] <ObrienDave> amx109, cd /var/lib/apt
[13:16] <cfhowlett> amx109, run apt-get autoremove and apt-get clean
[13:16] <ObrienDave> mv lists lists.old
[13:17] <ObrienDave> mkdir -p lists/partial
[13:17] <ObrienDave> apt-get clean
[13:17] <ObrienDave> apt-get update
[13:17] <amx109> ObrienDave: yup. i wil try again now though
[13:17] <ObrienDave> cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:19] <ObrienDave> amx109, ok, let us know how it went :)
[13:19] <ObrienDave> amx109, do those from root terminal
[13:21] <amx109> ObrienDave: yup, i will. in my previous attempts i just rm'd the contentss of /var/lib/apt/ rather than your method. maybe that might have an affect
[13:21] <parapan> dear fellows do you know if libre office is much more closed to microsoft compatibility - meaning - docx / xlsx / and specially pptx ?
[13:21] <ObrienDave> hope so. i picked that up somewhere. worked for me :)
[13:21] <cfhowlett> parapan, to a degree but not perfectly.
[13:22] <minixvm> parapan: it tries to be as compatible as it can
[13:22] <ObrienDave> parapan, couldn't live without LibreOffice or OpenOffice. never had a format problem with either
[13:22] <amx109> ObrienDave: nope :( no worky. 'reading package lists' is sloooooow. currently at 11%
[13:23] <cfhowlett> parapan, in my experience, the older formats tend to be much more compatible than the latest MS formats.
[13:23] <ginkgo> does ubuntu minimal installation iso have the same installer with the same options as normal ubuntu isos?
[13:23] <ObrienDave> amx109, ouch. when was last time you ran fsck?
[13:24] <DJones> ginkgo: The minimal iso is a text based installer
[13:24] <DJones> !minimal | ginkgo
[13:24] <amx109> ObrienDave: yea, never. its a fresh FS from 13.04 beta period
[13:24] <ginkgo> DJones: but same options? (like encrypted for example)
[13:24] <amx109> ObrienDave: if i reboot, it will returrn to normal
[13:25] <amx109> ginkgo: yes, just more technical to configure.
[13:25] <ObrienDave> ok, ok, where do you all get the list of ! commands :)
[13:25] <yusiky> #klatbit
[13:25] <DJones> ginkgo: I've never had to use it so I wouldnb't like to say yes or no to that, somebody else should be able to confirm it though
[13:25] <minixvm> !brain | ObrienDave
[13:25] <ObrienDave> amx109, have you tried distro-upgrade?
[13:26] <ObrienDave> or whatever that one is. *needs more coffee*
[13:26] <amx109> heh
[13:27] <ginkgo> what are the possibilities of installing ubuntu without desktop environment, only the minimal image?
[13:27] <minixvm> ginkgo: whatever you want to use it for
[13:27] <cfhowlett> ginkgo, also known as a server?  easy
[13:27] <amx109> ginkgo: you can do it with the minimal installer too
[13:28] <ObrienDave> ginkgo, i would think it's possible. don't know why you would want to do that unless your a terminal junkie ;))
[13:28] <jrib> !minimal | ginkgo
[13:28] <ObrienDave> *you're
[13:28] <amx109> ginkgo: i think it runs tasksel towards the end. you can select the purpose of your install then. ie 'server' or 'ubuntu-desktop' etc
[13:29] <ginkgo> well i would prefer graphical installer but don't want to have a desktop environment installed (want to do that manuallay, am happy with my window manager)
[13:30] <jrib> ginkgo: that's not an option as far as I know
[13:30] <ginkgo> jrib: k thanks, that's what i wanted to know
[13:30] <ginkgo> pretty lame :(
[13:34] <ObrienDave> ginkgo, you can always remove the DE after install
[13:39] <wylde_child> hey guys, is there a good tool to backup my complete ubuntu os? (kind like an image) to store it on a harddrive (with lots of other stuff).
[13:39] <minixvm> !backup | wylde_child
[13:39] <wylde_child> so that i can for example upgrade ubuntu to the new version, and if it is totaly messed up, just pop the backup on again?
[13:41] <ginkgo> ObrienDave: yep ofc i can
[13:45] <wylde_child> ubottu: i don't think any of the programs do what i need^^
[13:45] <wylde_child> damn it
[13:45] <Dr_willis> wylde_child,  you can do a 'dd' image to a file. and restore .. or  theres clonezilla, or mondo./mindi, or other tools
[13:45] <shmoon> so what is the importance of /sys folder?
[13:45] <cfhowlett> !remastersys|wylde_child,
[13:46] <wylde_child> i know, but then there is the problem with the format of the harddrive
[13:46] <Dr_willis> theres dozens of tools and ways to do it wylde_child ..
[13:46] <cfhowlett> remastersys ... If it's still available
[13:46] <wylde_child> it is not :(
[13:46] <wylde_child> i think that was the tool i needed^^
[13:46] <Dr_willis> that really wasent what you asked however. ;)
[13:49] <cfhowlett> wylde_child, according the remastersys site, it's still available.  Also, wikipedia remastersys entry lists alternatives in "see also"
[13:49] <ObrienDave> remastersys is still available. just have to get it elsewhere
[13:50] <gentlemanfinn> hi. I'm trying to compile calligra, but when i run cmake I'm told that Qt was compiled without support for fvisibility=hidden. Here's a log http://paste.kde.org/752192/
[13:50] <Dr_willis> but remastersys is not going to be an 'image' of your system.   or at least not without a bit of work.
[13:50] <Dr_willis> night all
[13:51] <ObrienDave> see ya Dr :))
[13:52] <wylde_child> i'm really not sure which one does what i want^^
[13:53] <ObrienDave> i'd be careful with remastersys. gave me trouble, i think. trouble went away after i uninstalled it
[13:55] <wylde_child> maybe i still dont get the hang of linux but i just want the exact same setup after restoring, so i dont have to tweak everything again
[13:57] <ObrienDave> wylde_child, there are backup programs that would restore the system. duplicity comes to mind. afaik iw would only restore the full system
[13:57] <ObrienDave> *it
[13:58] <wylde_child> i'm also afraid that it would delete everything on my harddrive (where i want to store my backup)
[13:58] <wylde_child> because i do stupid things^^
[13:59] <ginkgo> wylde_child: because you can tweak everything in linux "exact same setup" is a bigger job than you might think
[13:59] <minixvm> wylde_child: you are making a backup on the medium you want to restore the backup to?
[13:59] <ObrienDave> i doubt duplicity would do that. can't vouch for you ;))
[14:00] <wylde_child> for dublicity i need an ftp server? at least ubunut user says that
[14:00] <ObrienDave> no, it's a stand alone program
[14:00] <gordonjcp> wylde_child: what?
[14:01] <betrayd> I need to 'retrieve' the conf of my working grub on dualboot XP/Linux. Would boot-repair be able to recover it?
[14:01] <wylde_child> Once Duplicity is installed and an FTP account is ready to receive the backup files,
[14:02] <fellayaboy> hey foes anyone know if its possible to encryot a file or a string of text in a file? i wanna put my password in a file but i dont want to leave it out in the open like that foes anyone have a good suggestiin bi hear of using pgp or somethibg like that
[14:02] <jrib> fellayaboy: yes it's possible but I suggest you use the keyring instead of rolling your own solution
[14:03] <fellayaboy> hmm the keyring? how does thae keyribg work bi know ive been asked to put password in mNy times to a keyrin but necer undersyood it that well
[14:03] <jrib> fellayaboy: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring
[14:03] <ObrienDave> wylde_child, look at deja-dupe
[14:04] <fellayaboy> thnk u
[14:04] <fellayaboy> brb
[14:04] <fellayaboy> exit
[14:05] <ObrienDave> wylde_child, look at deja-dup. sorry, must be out and about.
[14:05] <parapan> cfhowlett: minixvm: ObrienDave: Thank you all .....there are some formattings the business world is using in the word templates and powerpoint .....and so creating problems when one is saving those documents - the templates/slides are affected; encountered the problems with OOO and hoped for improvement with Libre . . .
[14:05] <raub> Is there a php_krb5 package?
[14:05] <wylde_child> thanks so far :)
[14:06] <cfhowlett> parapan, yeah, I run into the same.  for what it's worth, libreoffice has a pdf output option, so maybe ...
[14:11] <fulcan> where is linux-backports-modules-karmic  ?
[14:12] <fulcan> or the omnibook drivers?
[14:12] <parapan> cfhowlett: thanks, then we will have to try and see :D
[14:13] <fulcan> E: Couldn't find package linux-backports-modules-karmic
[14:13] <minixvm> fulcan: karmic has been eol for years now
[14:14] <cfhowlett> fulcan, karmic on the desktop has gone end of life
[14:14] <cfhowlett> !karmic
[14:14] <cfhowlett> fulcan, consider upgrading ...
[14:18] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[14:22]  * mani_ is a m4n1
[14:24] <mani_> hello world!
[14:27] <cfhowlett> mani_, greetings
[14:30] <mani_> exit
[14:34] <colin_> Hello again, but I don't have a lot of time to talk here. Wait a moment.
[14:34] <Scarface67> !list
[14:34] <Scarface67> ciao
[14:35] <colin_> I want to have a brief discussion on integration of Linux based traditional PCs and Android mobile PCs.
[14:35] <colin_> How will I be able to access an Android phone's flash storage chip from my Linux box?
[14:36] <colin_> I am on this IRC because my Linux is among the varied *buntus.
[14:37] <minixvm> colin_: all i needed to do was connect it via usb
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> colin_: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue   on your desktop system?
[14:37] <colin_> Anyway back to accessing the phone's storage chip. Like in transferring photo files to my Linux.
[14:37] <colin_> ActionParsnip: what the heck is /etc/issue.
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> colin_: its a file
[14:38] <colin_> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 11.10
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> colin_: run the command I gave, what is the output please?
[14:38] <minixvm> colin_: 11.10 is no longer supported
[14:38] <colin_> ActionParsnip: pls let me back to my main topic.
[14:38] <ses1984> i'd like to be able to customize the profile a new user gets when i add a new user to the system, i guess i would do that by customized /etc/skel
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> colin_: its part of the fix
[14:39] <colin_> Do I access the phone's storage chip just like it's a USB flash?
[14:39] <ses1984> i was wondering how i would set it up so a new user would automatically have certain samba shares mounted
[14:39] <ses1984> but i'm not sure where that information belongs as part of a user profile
[14:39] <colin_> Another question: phone tethering.
[14:40] <colin_> I rather would do phone tethering via USB. So does tethering does anything else beside the possibly of the phone as a cell modem?
[14:41] <colin_> minivxm: sorry ubuntu 11.10 no longer supported.
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> colin_: hence me asking
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> colin_: so it IS part of the main topic, isn't it
[14:42] <minixvm> !topic | colin_
[14:42] <mustmodify> Hey, how can I prepend line numbers to this page? `curl "http://...." | add_line_numbers | less
[14:42] <mustmodify> `
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> colin_: when people ask you things, despite what you MAY think, they are part of the fix,.
[14:42] <colin_> ActionParsnip: interface between android phones and linux boxes is the main topic for me this moment.
[14:42] <mustmodify> Can't find it on google but surely someone has written that
[14:42] <Pici> mustmodify: pipe through nl
[14:43] <mustmodify> Pici: thanks I'll try athat.
[14:43] <mustmodify> that
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> colin_: your release is no longer supported
[14:43] <minixvm> colin_: and for us to help you with that you'd need to be running a supported version of ubuntu
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> colin_: that fact trumps any other fact
[14:44] <colin_> my phone is a recent model; less than 6 months old.
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> colin_: but your OS is dead
[14:44] <minixvm> colin_: if only your ubuntu install was recent too..
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> colin_: the OS you are using is EOL
[14:45] <colin_> ActionParsnip: well I'm sorry that my Ubuntu is EOL. I'll go. Bye.
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> I love when people don't think questions are relevant
[14:49] <mmrazik> petervonfrosta: hi. tvoss mentioned you are playing with raspberry pi..
[14:50] <petervonfrosta> hey, yes, that's right
[14:50] <Capprentice> Where I can get a easy guide on all the ways to compile a .deb binary for Ubuntu ?
[14:50] <petervonfrosta> but i am a newbe and trieing to get bluettoth working
[14:51] <sere_> Question: Im working on this labtop that was dropped and everything seem to be functional but for some reason this battery wont hold a charge..i was reading that in windows you can drain and then regenerate the battery power.. is that possible in ubuntu or some other tools to trouble shoot this?
[14:51] <mmrazik> petervonfrosta: with some bluetooth dongle?
[14:51] <mmrazik> never tried that :-/
[14:52] <sere_> the labtop will not in get power for the cord and the cord is good
[14:52] <dellos> aa
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> Capprentice: use checkinstall to make a deb from compiled source rather than: sudo make install
[14:53] <dellos> cant find home/username/.vim
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> sere_: I'd ask in ##hardware
[14:53] <iceroot> Capprentice: have a look at debhelper (man debhelper) and searching on the debian website about debhelper and packaging
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> sere_: a system not charging is OS independant
[14:53] <petervonfrosta> you want to know the bluetouth chip? or dongle? the dongle is from logilink, it should be compatible...
[14:53] <Capprentice> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html
[14:53] <dellos> so where to install pluging
[14:53] <petervonfrosta> some tools from installed bluez package do work
[14:53] <Capprentice> Do I need not to follow any of those :http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html
[14:54] <sere_> ActionParsnip: i started out in my usb slax and then installed lubuntu .32 as we discussed yesterday :)
[14:55] <mmrazik> petervonfrosta: not sure I'll be able to help you. I'm actually fairly new to Pi as well. I just tried to recently play with it mostly to try some electronics stuff. Never tried any radio (bluetooth nor wifi)
[14:55] <_DomY-Dom> Hello, in 13.04, what is the valid path to the 3.8.0-22-generci kernel headers?
[14:55] <_DomY-Dom> generic *
[14:56] <Capprentice> ActionParsnip, Ok, it working :D ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall
[14:57] <nabil_> sas
[14:57] <chips> ??/
[14:57] <chips> ??/
[14:57] <chips> ??/
[14:57] <chips> ??/
[14:57] <FloodBot1> chips: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:57] <asdsadasdadasdsa> .
[14:57] <betrayd> _DomY-Dom usually synaptic will show you 'Details' especially if it's installed
[14:58] <petervonfrosta> i can use the bluez applications from the terminal. but actually i what to use bluetooth from c-program
[14:58] <sudobash> I keep getting this error when trying to install php5-sasl, just recently upgrade php to 5.4.14: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:58] <sudobash>  php5-sasl : Depends: phpapi-20090626
[14:59] <petervonfrosta> thank You for try to help!
[14:59] <Pici> sudobash: how did you upgrade to 5.4.14?
[15:00] <sudobash> 1 sec and I'll get the command
[15:00] <sudobash>  1995  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php5
[15:00] <sudobash>  1996  sudo apt-get update
[15:00] <sudobash>  1997  sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:00] <sudobash>  1998  php -v
[15:00] <FloodBot1> sudobash: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:01] <sudobash> oh wait it's 5.4.15
[15:01] <sudobash> any advice? I've tried skipping deps but not luck
[15:04] <jrib> sudobash: my advice is not to use that ppa
[15:05] <sudobash> I guess there isn't a rebuilt sasl package for 5.4.15?
[15:05] <ginkgo> is there any advantage 13.04 > 12.04 ? because i don't see one
[15:06] <minixvm> ginkgo: more recent kernel and packages
[15:06] <ginkgo> minixvm: packages too?
[15:06] <minixvm> ginkgo: indeed, every release has newer packages
[15:07] <sudobash> what php version is in the repository for 13.04?
[15:07] <minixvm> ginkgo: thats why every release has their own repos (and you should never mix them)
[15:07] <Pici> minixvm: 5.4.9
[15:07] <ginkgo> minixvm: well do you mean it takes longer for them to become available in 12.04?
[15:07] <Pici> minixvm: sorry, that was for sudobash
[15:08] <jlhg2> hello, can apt-get install a list of packages in a txt file?
[15:08] <minixvm> ginkgo: they don't become available unless absolutely neccesary
[15:09] <ginkgo> minixvm: wait a minute, a new version of emacs comes out, 13.04 will get it, 12.04 being a lts won't ? is that what you are saying
[15:09] <minixvm> ginkgo: yes
[15:09] <minixvm> !backports | ginkgo
[15:10] <ohbuntu> basic question: how can I find the apps that ubuntu comes with before installing it?
[15:11] <minixvm> ohbuntu: you mean by default or whats in the repo?
[15:11] <ohbuntu> I mean by default...
[15:11] <sudobash> Pici here was the upgrade process to php 5.4.15: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5710477/
[15:12] <Pici> sudobash: PPAs are unsupported. If you're having issues with that one, either contact the maintainer or stop using it.
[15:13] <jezi22> anyone here using byobu? i can't make it run login shells... i tried googling and i cannot understand some of the solutions. i am using ubuntu 12.04
[15:13] <Arkhana> Hello everybody! Is there any tool to record a console session to a .txt file?
[15:14] <minixvm> ginkgo: the repositories are essentially a snapshot of all the packages that were available at the time of the release
[15:15] <minixvm> ginkgo: newer packages are not added to the repos (although there are a few exceptions to that rule)
[15:15] <genii-around> Arkhana: Ironically, it's called "script"
[15:16] <ghufran_> hi, is there any package that would suggest spelling corrections much like the ones in mobile phones?
[15:17] <_DomY-Dom> betrayd: I don't have synaptic nor an internet connection on the machine to check
[15:18] <rubdos> Anyone knows why it takes five minutes on a laptop with 8 gigs ram to boot 13.04? Just upgraded from 12.10 from 12.04 (chain upgraded) http://ubuntuone.com/4wstKgHYdFHLO6CF20vVLR
[15:18] <sudobash> ok well is there a supported upgrade process for php 5.4.15 in ubuntu 12.04
[15:19] <minixvm> sudobash: no, only what is in the repos is supported
[15:19] <DouglasK> rubdos, no idea... mine takes < 2 mins to be at the KDE desktop ready to work, allowing for time to login.
[15:20] <rubdos> DouglasK, it already booted slowly, but that was only one single minute. This computer is just new (one year old?) and I told the owner it would be faster to use 13.04. It is, once booted... I attached the bootchart in the link above
[15:20] <_DomY-Dom> genii-around: any idea?
[15:23] <genii-around> _DomY-Dom: I don't use vmware. But you could try adding the /include/ path on the end of the one you already tried
[15:28] <chvx> is it good to use a stable version with few developement software? or should i take install the unstable or what you call it then instead?
[15:28] <savid> How do I keep microphone sound from coming back through the speakers?
[15:29] <savid> I can hear my own voice through my headset -- I'd rather have the mic input not feed back into the speaker output.
[15:30] <_DomY-Dom> genii-around: nope didn't work either :(
[15:33] <horrorxstory> hey everyone
[15:33] <_DomY-Dom> genii-around: any other ideas?
[15:33] <horrorxstory> whats the question
[15:35] <horrorxstory> im so bored
[15:35] <_DomY-Dom> horrorxstory: installing vmware tools in Xubuntu 13.04 VM (VMWare Fusion) and I'm being asked for the valid path of the 3.8.0-22-generic kernel headers
[15:35] <compdoc> no zombies to battle?
[15:35] <horrorxstory> sadly not]
[15:35] <_DomY-Dom> horrorxstory: And I tried /usr/src/linux-kernel-headers-3.8.0-22-generic/ as well as blah/include again
[15:35] <_DomY-Dom> horrorxstory: and it didn't work
[15:36] <_DomY-Dom> horrorxstory: so I was wondering if genii-around had any other ideas, him being the person who gave me that idea in the first place
[15:36] <ct529> libreoffice segfaults every time you try to save a document on my installation of 13.04 at 64 bit
[15:36] <_DomY-Dom> horrorxstory: that was the question, any idea?
[15:36] <horrorxstory> ohhh
[15:36] <horrorxstory> so its not saving anything
[15:36] <horrorxstory> ?
[15:37] <horrorxstory> sounds to me that something went wrong during installation
[15:40] <horrorxstory_> dos?
[15:42] <horrorxstory_> can anyone recommend any good linux games
[15:44] <DJones> !games | horrorxstory_
[15:44] <DJones> Thats probably a good place to start
[15:44] <horrorxstory_> no i just wanted some recommendations
[15:45] <Quest>  is there a good easy firewall that has a web interface for settings and rules?
[15:45] <Myrtti> horrorxstory_: try in #ubuntu-offtopic, or install nethack.
[15:45] <DJones> horrorxstory_: The channel doesn't really do poll's, maybe ask that in #ubuntu-offtopic though
[15:46] <bazhang> Quest, gufw , the gui front end for ufw
[15:48] <Legits> Can anyone help with my broken initramfs?
[15:48] <Legits> I just did a new installation on LUKS-encrypted LVM on a GPT table. I can't figure out how to get initramfs to boot everything correctly.
[15:48] <Quest> bazhang,  thanks
[15:49] <Quest> bazhang,  gufw is web based?
[15:49] <bazhang> Quest, why would you need that
[15:50] <swifty> hi all
[15:50] <Quest> bazhang,  to use it remotely
[15:51] <sh3llc0d3r> hello all
[15:51] <apg> Could anybody point me to social channel on freenode?
[15:51] <bazhang> apg #defocus
[15:51] <DJones> !alis | apg
[15:52] <apg> ok, thanks bazhang Djones
[15:53] <apg> join #defocus
[15:53] <Quest>  is there a good easy firewall that has a web interface for settings and rules?
[15:54] <Legits> Quest, I use iptables.
[15:54] <Legits> I know there's a front-end called ufw, but I've never used it.
[15:55] <Legits> The Arch Linux wiki has a pretty good tutorial on setting it up manually though. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_Stateful_Firewall
[15:55] <benjymau5> ufw is good. not sure if it has a web interface though
[15:55] <Legits> I don't think it does. It comes standard with Mint.
[15:56] <starbuck> hi, how can i disable bluetooth at sstartup? its always back on after a reboot... i don't ned it
[15:56] <ro9> starbuck try rfkill
[15:57] <starbuck> ro9: there must be a configuration file somewhere or not?
[15:57] <Quest> Legits,  i need a webbased firwal
[15:57] <kjs> If I need to setup SW RAID1, do I need the server install ISO ?
[15:58] <starbuck> ro9: it also should be possible to reactivate it easy in case i need it
[15:58] <Legits> Starbuck, I think you're looking for /etc/init.d/[startup script]. I'm not sure on the specifics, but you might find something on Google.
[15:58] <benjymau5> Quest, why do you need web based?
[15:59] <ro9> starbuck, I usually use rfkill block/unblock dev
[15:59] <Quest> benjamino,  to control remotely
[16:00] <benjymau5> ssh
[16:01] <benjymau5> i have ubuntu server w ufw. just ssh in and "ufw status"
[16:05] <Quest> Legits,  benjamino bazhang http://www.iptables.info/en/iptables-gui.html
[16:06] <starbuck> ro9: i did a sudo rfkill block bluetooth - will it still be disabled at the next bootup?
[16:07] <gothpaw> maybe going with 13.04 wasn't such a good idea.....  a lot of stuff isn't compatible and I keep getting ALOT of internal errors happening. Is there a safe way to "Down Grade to 12.04LTS" ?
[16:10] <mehwork> is there a way to delete my ubuntu partition from ubuntu, without having to create any special boot disk?
[16:11] <yusiky> ĒĢ£ĻĖĆ
[16:14] <TonnyNerd> Can someone tell me which package I have to install to have gnome-control-center show network settings?
[16:15] <TonnyNerd> currently it only shows Personal (Language Support and Ubuntu One), Hardware (Printers) and System (Software Sources)
[16:15] <TonnyNerd> I want, specifically, the proxy settings
[16:15] <betrayd> gothpaw maybe install from your 12 04 CD?
[16:16] <betrayd> ofc save your critical data first
[16:16] <gothpaw> betrayed: I'm looking for a method that does not consist of a complete reinstall...
[16:17] <gothpaw> s/betrayed/betrayd
[16:17] <PyGuy> Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit?
[16:17] <betrayd> i think that would involve time-travel
[16:17] <TonnyNerd> anyone?
[16:17] <gothpaw> TonnyNerd: do you have networkmanager istalled?
[16:18] <TonnyNerd> gothpaw, there's a package called network-manager
[16:18] <gothpaw> and 'network-manager-applet' as well
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> TonnyNerd: isnt that in nm-applet ?
[16:20] <TonnyNerd> gothpaw, there's not such package here
[16:20] <gothpaw> hmmmm, 13.04 internal problems all point too Unity.... maybe if I remove Unity all my "internal" problems will go away...
[16:20] <TonnyNerd> ActionParsnip, nm-applet is for connection, it doesn't have proxy setting
[16:21] <TonnyNerd> *settings
[16:21] <PyGuy> ActionParsnip: What was that command you told me to enter yesterday (the alsa one)? I have a supported kernel now
[16:24] <TonnyNerd> gothpaw, is this package in a non-standard repository?
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> TonnyNerd  no need to remove unity, simply install and use a different DE
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> gothpaw  ^^^^^
[16:25] <TonnyNerd> MonkeyDust, too late for the advice, I already did it
[16:26] <TonnyNerd> what I am trying to do now is getting at least this panel (proxy) back on gnome-control-center
[16:28] <mehwork> how do you format a harddrive from ubuntu? I typed 'disks' from unity but it's not finding any program called disks
[16:29] <PyGuy> Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit?
[16:29] <funch_> mehwork gparted with guy or just fdisk from terminal
[16:29] <funch_> gui*
[16:30] <mehwork> funch_: i ran fdisk but when i type 'd' it says 'no partition selected'
[16:30] <MonkeyDust> mehwork  what do you want to achieve?
[16:30] <mehwork> gparted doesn't show up when isearch in unity either
[16:30] <mehwork> MonkeyDust: i want to delete ubuntu and reinstall windows so i can sell this computer. It only has ubuntu on it irght now
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> mehwork  boot from a live cd or usb, use gparted to delete ubuntu
[16:32] <genii-around> Or if you just boot to the windows DVD, it just thinks any other type of OS on there needs to be deleted anyhow.
[16:33] <mehwork> MonkeyDust: do i have to boot from a separate thing like that? seems like a waste to have to go download/install all that just to delete my os
[16:34] <PyGuy> Hey guys. Can someone help me get my Sound Blaster ZX card working in 12.04.2 64-bit? Sound is detected, but I can't hear anything.
[16:35] <MonkeyDust> mehwork  use the medium you used to install ubuntu, or delete/format the partition durting windows install
[16:37] <betrayd> !patience > PyGuy
[16:37] <BluesKaj> PyGuy, intel audio on that SB card ?
[16:38] <PyGuy> BluesKaj: Huh?
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> PyGuy: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:39] <BluesKaj> PyGuy, open a terminal and type alsamixer , then look for the audio chip in the upper left , then we can determine which driver is needed
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> PyGuy: run:  history | grep alsa    you would have seen it :)
[16:40] <PyGuy> ActionParsnip: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=97a519d0130d5e1196eb7c742c40bc1774240e66
[16:40] <PyGuy> BluesKaj: Creative CA0132
[16:41] <Umair> guys why dahs (-) after wget args? I see it while I tried to download https://toolbelt.heroku.com/
[16:41] <Umair> dahs*
[16:42] <BluesKaj> PyGuy, you have intel hda module and appears to be loaded , then the next step is to check pavucontrol to make sure you outputs are set correctly
[16:42] <Umair> dash*
[16:42] <riqdiiz> Looks like an sdcard 8gb is more harder to format on terminal !
[16:44] <BluesKaj> any idea why konversation won't open in unity ?...running both unity and kde on 13.04 , but Unity will launch quassel but not konversation
[16:45] <BluesKaj> didn't see any errors in /var/log syslog , like it wasn't even called
[16:45]  * BluesKaj isn't a qussel fan
[16:46] <BluesKaj> oh well , BBL
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> BluesKaj  Konversation is for KDE, Unity is Gnome <-- makes sense?
[16:50] <adamk> BlueShark: What happens if you run konversation from a terminal?
[16:50] <adamk> MonkeyDust: That would have no bearing.  KDE apps should work fine in gnome and vice-versa.
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> adamk  yes, and just found: quassel is also a KDE thing
[16:54] <foofoobar> So I want to change my swap to a different drive. I just created the partition. Now I will do 1) swapoff -a 2) mkswap /dev/sdb4 3) swapon -a 4) change the swap in the /etc/fstab
[16:54] <foofoobar> is this the right order?
[16:57] <genii-around> foofoobar: Pretty much
[16:57] <foofoobar> ok
[16:58] <smartguyz> requesting help loading wifi drivers for EDIMAX AC122 on ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
[16:58] <robertzaccour> I don't see MP4 in Kdenlive. What's the closest other format to MP4?
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> robertzaccour  i guess .flv, as youtube clips are saved as one of those
[17:00] <foofoobar> Strange.. bklid shows me a different UUID for /dev/sdb4 than mkswap did?
[17:00] <smartguyz> EDIMAX AC 1200  not working on UBUNTU 13.04
[17:00] <foofoobar> blkid says: /dev/sdb4: UUID="77c756ff-aeba-4ea9-995d-a87356d67d18" TYPE="swap" and mkswap tells me: no label, UUID=b64210db-bb71-433e-acb1-7864e123eb30
[17:01] <foofoobar> What UUID should I use in my fstab now?
[17:01] <robertzaccour> MonkeyDust, Too late, already started rendering to H.264. Hope it turns out good.
[17:01] <robertzaccour> MonkeyDust, Thanks though :)
[17:01] <BluesKaj> MonkeyDust, unity should still run kde apps , just like kde runs gnome/unity apps
[17:01] <User404> Currently With one of my hard drives I can only see the contents via super user. My regular user cannot. How do I give the regular user permission to read and write to the drive?
[17:02] <robertzaccour> Unity runs slower than Gnome Shell/Mate,Xfce/KDE, especially in the HUD.
[17:02] <cobalt238> Do I need to do something refresh the sharing options of a directory?
[17:02] <genii-around> foofoobar: Might want to run partprobe to make sure it knows about any new UUID and not cached
[17:02] <robertzaccour> The HUD is a slow cluttered buggy mess.
[17:02] <robertzaccour> And Ubuntu being built on compiz cause it to freeze and crash a lot.
[17:03] <cobalt238> I disabled guest access on my directory, but I can still see it on my Windows machine without logging in
[17:03] <robertzaccour> It would do Canonical's rep a lot of good if they recognize Xubuntu/Kubuntu again.
[17:03] <foofoobar> genii-around: partprobe with any arguments? its returns nothing
[17:03] <foofoobar> blkid still has the same output. should I run mkswap again?
[17:03] <genii-around> foofoobar: Yes, just sudo partprobe
[17:04] <foofoobar> genii-around: okay. blkid still has the same output
[17:04] <genii-around> foofoobar: Then that should be the correct UUID
[17:04] <foofoobar> genii-around: should I run mkswap again?
[17:06] <genii-around> foofoobar: Apologies on lag, I'm at work.   ... probably not needed. Does mount show swap active?
[17:08] <genii-around> foofoobar: Anyhow, when you run the swapon command, use the UUID which blkid reported
[17:08]  * genii-around goes to answer the phone
[17:09] <foofoobar> genii-around: one moment. I have to edit the fstab before I do the swapon right?
[17:09] <foofoobar> genii-around: or should I do a sudo swapon UUID=<id from blkid> ?
[17:10] <foofoobar> I will try it
[17:10] <foofoobar> Now blkid changed its output
[17:10] <foofoobar> I just run it again
[17:12] <foofoobar> so sudo swapon UUID=<blkid from my device> gave no error/output. but the new swap does not appear when running "mount"
[17:12] <KyouReeus4nfo> Hello, I happily use Xfce but when I used Unity I always wondered why it always showed one more user than number of terminal processes when I executed 'users' command. It does not happen in Xfce. It could be just my system or there is some explanation for it that I am not aware of. Thoughts?
[17:13] <handuel0> foofoobar: I don't think it would, swap doesn't get mounted, might be wrong though
[17:13] <foofoobar> handuel0: okay
[17:13] <foofoobar> Is there any way to test if the new swap is set up correctly?
[17:17] <tones> googl
[17:19] <foofoobar> I will reboot, brb
[17:20] <marianne> hi guys... running 12.04 64 bit and I'm having issues with browsers freezing. I've tried Chrome and firefox and both do it... any ideas on what might be wrong?
[17:21] <foofoobar> Looks good :)
[17:21] <raulsh> i had same problem , then i changed it too 2D instead of 3D
[17:22] <raulsh> now the freezing has ceased
[17:22] <raulsh> but no idea why it freezes , i guess it has something to do with the recent upgrades
[17:22] <genii-around> foofoobar: Apologies, boss came by. If cat /proc/swaps    shows the new one you just made, should be OK
[17:23] <rizal> ada orang?
[17:23] <foofoobar> genii-around: no problem :) thanks for your help, it looks like it works :)
[17:23] <foofoobar> I rebooted without any problem
[17:23] <foofoobar> And hibernation also worked "out of the box"
[17:23] <genii-around> Ah, good
[17:24] <foofoobar> On the ubuntu SwapFAQ there were some steps I should do for hibernation, but it works without this so I will not do this
[17:24] <EdUaRdO_27> algu├®m do Brasil a├Ł?
[17:25] <antoniodp> ciao
[17:25] <antoniodp> list!
[17:25] <genii-around> !it | antoniodp
[17:27] <hs_> hello , grub2 is not starting when i run on the computer , checked the configurations every thing seems fine
[17:28] <imajeff> have you used grub2 before?
[17:28] <vitimiti> hi o/
[17:28] <bekks> hs_: What happens exactly?
[17:28] <hs_> no
[17:28] <hs_> bekks , ubuntu starts normally , without leting me select to boot recovery mode or normal boot
[17:29] <imajeff> Could it be you have configured it but not installed it in boot sector?
[17:29] <KyouReeus4nfo> Press shift till you see the menu
[17:29] <bekks> hs_: Then grub works perfectly, since it starts ubuntu. You have to configure grub to show you the menu or pressing shift before grub starts to do the same.
[17:30] <hs_> bekks is there a way to show you the menu automaticly ?
[17:30] <bekks> hs_: Yes, configure grub to do so, just as I said.
[17:30] <bekks> !grub2 | hs_
[17:30] <hs_> bekks can you advise me about it ? am not the pro
[17:30] <n0yd> Hey.  I am trying to build gimp dev build from git.  I followed an guide, but I am getting stuck (I am no noob to compiling things from source, even on ubuntu)
[17:31] <n0yd> Basically its telling me I am missing glib, which obviously should already be installed
[17:31] <bazhang> n0yd, why not install gimp from repos
[17:31] <bekks> hs_: Please read the link you've just been given by ubottu.
[17:31] <hs_> bekks ok thanks
[17:32] <hs_> ive got alot of questions actually
[17:32] <n0yd> bazhang, seriously dude?
[17:32] <n0yd> Because it is the dev build
[17:32] <n0yd> I wouldn't come here and ask such a stupid question
[17:32] <bazhang> n0yd, why do you need that
[17:32] <adamk> n0yd: Make sure you install the development packages of the required dependent libraries.
[17:32] <n0yd> bazhang, because I do?  Stop asking silly questions
[17:32] <hs_> my other laptop , xorg crashed, so i tried to use live-cd , but it cant repare it because the ubuntu ive installed is inside the windows 7 boot manager. any hint ?
[17:32] <n0yd> I am bug hunting
[17:33] <n0yd> adamk, I have
[17:33] <Pici> n0yd: have you installed the build-dependencies for the ubuntu gimp package?
[17:33] <bekks> hs_: So you installed ubuntu using wubi on the other laptop, correct?
[17:33] <n0yd> As I said, I am not a noob when it comes to building from scratch
[17:33] <n0yd> omg...
[17:33] <hs_> bekks exactly
[17:33] <bekks> hs_: Then I am out of clues. I've never used wubi and never will.
[17:33] <n0yd> This channel is useless for anything remotely uncommon to normal usage
[17:34] <adamk> n0yd: Alright, if you're not a noobie to compiling things, you should know how to check the config.log file to see what's failing and why.
[17:34] <hs_> thanks , one last question, ive changed the unity-greeter logo , but the position is not currect. any hint ?
[17:34] <bekks> n0yd: A simple "yes/no" to the last question being asked would ease up your issue :)
[17:34] <Pici> n0yd: This is the same question I'd ask to anyone trying to compile something that is also in the repositories  from source.
[17:34] <n0yd> Sigh, Im already ten steps ahead.
[17:34] <nacii4>  :)
[17:34] <n0yd> Pici, um, 2.9 is NOT in repositories
[17:34] <n0yd> But ok
[17:35] <bekks> hs_: No clue, either. Never dealt with the logo since I dnot care about it :)
[17:35] <Pici> n0yd: Okay, but there are older versions in the repos.  Unless this wants some other version of glib (which is going to be an issue) then while it might install something you don't need, doing build-dep is usually a good start.
[17:36] <hs_> bekks ,  because iam trying to use my own interface with my own tools and want to build an live-cd for my own use.
[17:36] <adamk> n0yd: So when are you getting the error about missing glib?
[17:36] <bekks> hs_: Then I'd do all those stuff in a vm, avoiding breaking the system you are actually working with.
[17:37] <n0yd> Isnt the point of Linux and open source in general to have the freedom to do whatever it is you'd like?  And not be stuck to "Well, just use whats already available and neatly packaged".  I understdn thye reasoning for simple anjswers in a channel like this, because most of the time the questions are from new users, and it's easier to just point them to the simplest answer. But I only come in here generally as a last resort when I cannot find the answer fro
[17:37] <n0yd> m googling for half hour
[17:37] <imajeff> Anyone have idea why 27" monitor plugged in my laptop would not be identified when it did last week? Cannot select high enough resolution now.
[17:37] <hs_> bekks, that what most people told me. but didnt felt like doing so.
[17:37] <bekks> hs_: Well, then avoid breaking your system ;)
[17:39] <n0yd> adamk, btw, i am not building it in the "debian way". ie \building it using their tools to package it so it can be installing via dpkg/apt
[17:39] <hs_> bekks , the only way to learn (to me) is to try , sometimes i dont find things on the net nor books.
[17:40] <n0yd> Im going to be building pretty much daily anyway, so its not worth my time. Plus I can easily keep older vbersion installed that way (which is good when bug chasing)
[17:40] <bekks> hs_: Well, then try in a vm.
[17:40] <adamk> n0yd: OK, well I seem to be the only person here actually trying to help you, and you haven't actually answered my question...  So good luck and goodbye.
[17:40] <MonkeyDust> hs_  that's the way we all learned it: trial and error
[17:40] <n0yd> adamk, bsically, ubuntu uses a pretty old glib version
[17:41] <n0yd> afaik, the newest glib is at least 2.32 (from my head), gimp from git requires 2.29, and ubunutu has 2.27
[17:41] <MonkeyDust> hs_  and by making errors, we can now give advice on  how to repair them
[17:42] <adamk> n0yd: Really? ii  libglib2.0-0:amd64                             2.36.0-1ubuntu2
[17:42] <n0yd> adamk, you asked what the error is. I've said, it doesn't like the version of glib installed
[17:42] <n0yd> adamk, oops sorry. I typod
[17:42] <n0yd> I see 2.37
[17:42] <n0yd> woops\
[17:42] <n0yd> 2.36 for raring
[17:42] <n0yd> 2.37 for saucy
[17:42] <n0yd> lemme re-read
[17:43] <adamk> You're not making any sense really...  gimp from git requires 2.29? The latest Ubuntu release clearly has something newer.
[17:43] <n0yd> like I said, i was taking that from memory
[17:43] <adamk> Oi vey.  I'm done.
[17:43] <n0yd> adamk, I can compile plenty of other things that require glib
[17:43] <adamk> If you need to upgrade glib, upgrade glib...  I really don't care, can't stop you, and won't try.  But don't be surprised if everything else starts to break.
[17:43] <n0yd> babl and other things. And I compile android 2-3 times a day
[17:43] <n0yd> right
[17:44] <n0yd> Id rather not compile glib
[17:44] <n0yd> because of possible breakage
[17:44] <hs_> thanks guys
[17:44] <n0yd> But, it shouldnt break if I leave thye old version in place that was installed via dpkg
[17:44] <hs_> any one here knows how to recover ubuntu from windows 7 boot manager' ?
[17:44] <n0yd> At least I hope so :)
[17:44] <adamk> n0yd: You could try installing your own glib to /usr/local/ of course.
[17:44] <n0yd> right
[17:44] <n0yd> which is what I am going to try
[17:45] <n0yd> Unless someone else has other recommendations :)
[17:45] <imajeff> hs_: Simply install grub again, it overwrites
[17:46] <Umair> guys why dash (-) after wget args? I see it while I tried to download https://toolbelt.heroku.com/
[17:46] <bekks> hs_: Dont do it. Do not. Dont.
[17:46] <n0yd> Which is why I was here. No offense but I don't come here often, and when I do, it's not here simple things like "Why not just install from repos".  I've been using unix and linux for 13 years, of course I would've thought of that ;)
[17:46] <bekks> hs_: That will break your box, since grub isnt able to boot wubi.
[17:46] <imajeff> sorry probably not right answer
[17:46] <adamk> n0yd: Enough already. Drop it. You've been given the only advice you are likely to get.
[17:46] <OerHeks> n0yd, stop the ranting, you started with "I am no noob to compiling things from source"
[17:46] <n0yd> adamk, I really do appreciate the help though
[17:46] <bekks> hs_: And if you do something wrong, your windows wont boot anymore.
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> wubi?
[17:47] <bekks> MonkeyDust: Yeah, hs_ is using wubi.
[17:47] <n0yd> adamk, Not sure why you are getting mad. I am not saying that towards you.
[17:47] <hs_> bekks , i want to repare my ubuntu because live-cd can read the partition of it, but when i go and boot from windows i can see it...
[17:47] <n0yd> You were not the one that decided to push the simple questions and answers on me when I stated from the beginning that I am not a noob
[17:47] <bekks> hs_: You cant repair wubi using a livecd. Restore your backup if you messed up your wubi installation.
[17:48] <bekks> hs_: Everything else will mess up your entire system.
[17:48] <MonkeyDust> hs_  wubi is the worst invenstion since coffee without sugar and the whole world cheered when it was removed from the ubuntu iso
[17:48] <bekks> n0yd: And you didnt answered one single question pointed to your issue yet. Go figure.
[17:48] <KyouReeus4nfo> n0yd - I don't mind asking stupid questions, just for my curiosity, did you try to install it in your home directory? And just to let you know I am noob.
[17:48] <n0yd> And Im not stating I am "not a noob" to look like a arrogant guy that knows all.  It was to help others help me, by giving them an idea of my skill level. So I wouldn't generate questions/answers that are belownwhat I am trying to do
[17:48] <adamk> n0yd: It feels like you are trying to provoke a battle with others in here, which is something I do not appreciate.
[17:48] <hs_> bekks , i didnot mess with wubi , i messed with ubuntu who installed by wubi
[17:48] <n0yd> adamk, not at all sir
[17:49] <demonic> hi
[17:49] <n0yd> Sorry if that was the way you interpreted it
[17:49] <n0yd> Seriously, I am here for help.  And helping others
[17:49] <hs_> installed some repository's of debian
[17:49] <adamk> Alright, then drop it, and everyone will move on.
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> hs_  wubi is a pseudo-install inside windows, not alongside it
[17:49] <adamk> Please let me know how you make out with glib and gimp.
[17:49] <bekks> hs_: And you cant fix it. Neither by reinstalling grub, nor by using a livecd. Restore your entire wubi installation from your backup. Everything else will mess up your entire system. Second time I tell you that.
[17:49] <n0yd> KyouReeus4nfo, no problem. I am actually trying to install it in my home dir now.
[17:50] <n0yd> Well, trying to glib there at least. And building gimp there
[17:50] <KyouReeus4nfo> I would try sudo make and sudo make install once more
[17:50] <n0yd> nah, im not there yet
[17:50] <n0yd> :)
[17:50] <n0yd> I cant config the make file yet, so I can't make :)
[17:50] <Strucker> Greetings. I'm trying to install U. 13.04 on Linux Mint Virtual Box. When the O.S. boot, I see an error, saying that my hardware isn't AMD 64, a i686. Can I configure the VM BIOS?
[17:50] <KyouReeus4nfo> sudo it ALL
[17:50] <bekks> !mint | Strucker
[17:50] <KyouReeus4nfo> lol
[17:50] <hs_> yeah.. when i login in the user profile(used to login), i use alt+crtl+t , and tried to upgrade things
[17:50] <n0yd> :P
[17:51] <hs_> after the reboot ,i can only access with guest account.
[17:51] <n0yd> im already using sudo -i :)
[17:51] <bekks> hs_: Yeah, then restore your entire wubi installation from your backup.
[17:51] <Gape2> Hello, I had ubuntu 12.10 and Windows 8 on uefi dual boot. It worked well until I upgrade to ubuntu 13.04 and now I'm unable to boot into ubuntu (it's gone from uefi boot list)
[17:51] <Strucker> bekks: Virtual Box. I want to install Ubuntu 13.04
[17:51] <hs_> wubi , recovers lost files ?
[17:51] <bekks> Strucker: Ah :)
[17:52] <adamk> bekks: Did you not see that Strucker is trying to install Ubuntu in a VM?  The VM happens to be on a Mint host, which is irrelevent.
[17:52] <bekks> hs_: No. Backup is your entire responsibility. If you dont have one - drop that wubi installation and install Ubuntu in a vm.
[17:52] <adamk> Strucker: Check in your BIOS for Virtualization support.  Not all 64-bit CPUs have virtualization support, which is necessary for running a 64-bit OS in a virtualizer like virtualbox or vmware.
[17:53] <bekks> adamk: I didnt get that, thats why I said "Ah :)". Unfortunately I am writing to hs in parallel, so Strucker will have to have a few seconds before getting a further answer from me.
[17:53] <bekks> Strucker: Which CPU do you have in your host?
[17:53]  * hs_ made bekks and monkeyDust his master's
[17:54] <ubuntuaddicted> i have a command i need run with sudo, i added the command to /etc/rc.local but it doesn't appear to have run with sudo
[17:54] <Womkes> which windows tool would you recommend for making an bootable usb key for ubuntu server?
[17:54] <n0yd> unetbootin?
[17:54] <Strucker> adamk: bekks: My hardware is AMD 64_86. I'm sure about. Looks like VM isn't recognizing it..
[17:54] <Womkes> lemme chjeck that
[17:54] <n0yd> if you mean you need a abootable copy of ubuntu on a usb key
[17:54] <adamk> Strucker: Again, not all 64-bit CPUs support hardware virtualization...
[17:54] <bekks> Strucker: Wich CPU is on your host?
[17:54] <n0yd> Unetbootin works linux and windows. Does it perfectly
[17:54] <bekks> Strucker: Wee need the very exact make and model.
[17:55] <n0yd> Might work for mac also :)
[17:55] <Womkes> ok thanks I will try it now n0yd :)
[17:55] <latovitz> hello there, first of all sorry for my newbieness im quite new with linux. im having some trouble using extended display with 2 monitors. they both work seperately but can't quite get them both to work together. i have a 9400gt nvidia card
[17:55] <n0yd> cat /proc/cpu
[17:55] <hs_> anyone here know by unity-greeter logo position ?
[17:55] <n0yd> woops
[17:55] <n0yd> its /proc/cpuinfo
[17:55] <Strucker> bekks: AMD 6620G 3500 RADEON..
[17:55] <n0yd> Strucker, ^^^
[17:56] <n0yd> though the info you gave should be enough
[17:56] <bekks> Strucker: Thats a graphics card.
[17:56] <bekks> Strucker: Whats your CPU?
[17:56] <KyouReeus4nfo> before you make a bootable copy make sure it boots in virtualbox
[17:56] <n0yd> Strucker, cat /proc/cpuinfo then copy and pasdtew the output to pastebin.com
[17:56] <adamk> Strucker: Seriously, check your BIOS to see if there's an option to enable VT support.  If not, you can only run a 32-bit OS in vmware or virtualbox.
[17:56] <n0yd> KyouReeus4nfo, what is the copy of?
[17:57] <KyouReeus4nfo> copy * OS
[17:57] <handuel> n0yd: so have you installed all the build-deps for gimp or not?
[17:57] <n0yd> Just curious. Cause obviously booting a distro in a VM doesn't do a lot of good in some sense (like hardware support) because a VM isn't emulating anywhere near the same hardware as your actual machine
[17:57] <n0yd> handuel, sure have
[17:58] <bekks> n0yd: a virtual machine virtualizes, it doesnt emulate ;)
[17:58] <Gape2> latovitz: Did you try going to nvidia settings and enabling both displays with splitview?
[17:58] <n0yd> bekks, I know
[17:58] <hs_> anyone here know by unity-greeter logo positioning ?
[17:58] <bekks> n0yd: You just mixed it up :o)
[17:58] <n0yd> But the hardware may not be the some
[17:58] <Gape2> Hello, I had ubuntu 12.10 and Windows 8 on uefi dual boot. It worked well until I upgrade to ubuntu 13.04 and now I'm unable to boot into ubuntu (it's gone from uefi boot list)
[17:58] <bekks> n0yd: And thats not even a requirement for a vm.
[17:58] <handuel> n0yd: kk, just checking, I'm not trying to patronise, it's just I'm afraid not a noob doesn't tell us much. You get 12 year olds that think their einstein bragging about how amazing at computers they are, who make the most simplest of errors
[17:59] <handuel> quite clearly you're not one of them but...
[17:59] <handuel> you could've been
[17:59] <demonic> aawoods: hi there
[17:59] <hs_> gape2 any error massege ?
[17:59] <latovitz> Gape2: any idea how can i get to the nvidia settings? i've tried to detect both displays via the "Display" in the system settings
[17:59] <n0yd> handuel, ya Ive installed all thge deps l.isted in the guides/documentation manually, and also used an entire buildscript they have on their git
[17:59] <Strucker> bekks: adamk: n0yd: http://pastebin.com/XfgbzpeR
[17:59] <n0yd> The script looks and grabs the deps accordingly
[18:00] <Gape2> latovitz: Well search in unity. You need nvidia drivers though. I rarely use ubuntu lately so i forgot where to install them though.
[18:00] <bekks> Strucker: you have an AMD A8-3500M
[18:00] <demonic> hi
[18:00] <Strucker> bekks: I know..
[18:00] <n0yd> Strucker, lol which he already said
[18:00] <n0yd> And someone told him that was only a gpu
[18:00] <bekks> Strucker: Then why didnt you tell us?
[18:00] <n0yd> hes using a APU :P
[18:00] <Gape2> hs_: Well it upgraded without any problems, now I just can't select ubuntu to boot, only option is windows 8. Nothing happens if i use sata boot
[18:00] <n0yd> bekks, he DID tell us :P
[18:00] <handuel> n0yd: but have you actually sudo apt-get build-dep gimp, it's always worth a try on top of doing it manually
[18:00] <adamk> Strucker: Last time I'm going to say this: Check the BIOS for virtualization support.
[18:00] <bekks> n0yd: No... He told us which GPU he is using.
[18:01] <n0yd> bekks, actually he told up both
[18:01] <Strucker> I have to check my computer's BIOS?
[18:01] <n0yd> AMD 3500
[18:01] <bekks> Strucker: Yes.
[18:01] <Strucker> OK..
[18:01] <n0yd> AMD 6620G 3500 RADEON
[18:01] <n0yd> He doesnt need to go to bios
[18:01] <hs_> gapes2 no clue sorry.
[18:01] <n0yd> He pasted the output from cpuinfo in proc
[18:02] <n0yd> Into pastebin
[18:02] <bekks> n0yd: So you do know that his bios actaully has this option?
[18:02] <n0yd> I thought youy were telling him to get the cpu info from his bios
[18:02] <n0yd> If not, sorry. I misunderstood
[18:02] <RayS> so I just did something stupid, I increased the file handles in limints.conf and I must have set a value too high as now I can't ssh into the box. anything I can do to get in?
[18:02] <bekks> n0yd: then you are free to take over this ticket. Thank you.
[18:02] <latovitz> Gape2: is unity the small textbox that pops when i click alt? and i think the drivers did download, as i see the nvidia driver through the "additional drivers" option
[18:02] <KyouReeus4nfo> while you are chilling --- mplayer -cache 4098 72.10.173.77:8899
[18:02] <n0yd> bekks, ticket? you guys take this way to seriously
[18:02] <n0yd> lmao
[18:03] <RayS> *limits.conf
[18:03] <daftykins> n0yd: hah, 'tis called humour!
[18:03] <n0yd> All I was commenting on was while yes, he did first write the GPU info
[18:03] <bekks> Strucker: You created the vm as 32bit, not as 64bit, thats what I am suspecting after getting the answer wether virtualization is enabled in you bios.
[18:03] <bekks> n0yd: Setting you to ignore, it will avoid pretty much noise in here. Good luck.
[18:03] <n0yd> daftykins, around here, support burnout is quite common.  Heck, its quite visibile not just on this channel, but ##linux and tons of others ;)
[18:04] <n0yd> bekks, umm ok?
[18:04] <n0yd> Sorry for trying to help.  I'll make sure to never again
[18:04] <Gape2> latovitz: probably, you can also click on the icon in the top left of the screen
[18:04] <Strucker> bekks: Ok. Can I change that or Should I reinstall the VM?
[18:04] <bekks> Strucker: What does your bios tell?
[18:04] <latovitz> Gape2: thx alot, will try to figure it out.
[18:04] <KyouReeus4nfo> if this channels are supposed to be quiet then it defeats the purpose developing it just saying
[18:05] <Strucker> I have to restart my PC to see it.
[18:05] <KyouReeus4nfo> these*
[18:05] <bekks> Strucker: Then do it.
[18:05] <n0yd> And don't pull that childish "setting you to ignore crap".  If you are gonna put me or anyone else on ignore, just due it.  There is no reason to state your action of ignoring.  It just seeks attention. irc-ettiquette
[18:05] <n0yd> do it*
[18:05] <Strucker> bekks: I come back later. Thank you..
[18:05] <bazhang> n0yd, lets move on
[18:05] <n0yd> bazhang, i have
[18:05] <n0yd> Not sure what his issue was in the first placwe
[18:06] <Strucker> n0yd: Thank you.
[18:06] <handuel> n0yd: but have you actually sudo apt-get build-dep gimp, it's always worth a try on top of doing it manually
[18:06] <n0yd> no problem
[18:06] <adamk> Strucker: Did you actally check the BIOS?
[18:06] <n0yd> handuel, heh. I was actually just typijng my reply to you
[18:07] <trism> handuel: the issue is he'll need at least a new babl/gegl and glib if he's on raring
[18:07] <handuel> n0yd, ah sos, I thought it might have got missed amongst the 5 other guys your talking to
[18:07] <KyouReeus4nfo> Anyone interested in developing ShoutCast plugin for Rhythmbox?
[18:07] <Strucker> adamk: Nope. I will check and see the VM configuration again.
[18:07] <_DomY-Dom> Hey, when using the "dd" tool on Linux, does the flashdrive you are burning the iso on have to have a partition or just have unallocated space?
[18:07] <handuel> trism: ah, he'll have fun breaking stuff then, this is a toughy
[18:08] <n0yd> Yes, I have.  And the are all covered.  But one issue with using an dpkg/apt tool for something like this, im sure you know, is that development builds (especially from git/svn/bzr/cvs etc) may have different deps then
[18:08] <n0yd> And different dep versions, obviously
[18:08] <n0yd> trism, the first thing I did was build babl and gegl from scratch
[18:08] <JediUnixMaster> Morning - Its been 8 yrs since I've done this stuffŌĆ”.. I did a sudo useradd -d /home/nodejs -m nodejs,  I forgot and forget how to setup for default user directories to be installed.  I've ssh in to the new nodes user and lout doesn't work  lol
[18:08] <n0yd> And they build fine.  Gimp does not
[18:09] <JediUnixMaster> err logout
[18:09] <n0yd> For reference, I've used both of the guides, plus oither documentation from gimp. http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-developer/15280-compile-gimpv2-9-1-for-debian-wheezy-sid
[18:09] <n0yd> http://www.zanshine.com/blog/stephane-richard/software/2011-10-05/cutting-edge-gimp-in-latest-ubuntu/
[18:09] <n0yd> (Yes the second guide was first written in 2011, but it was updated like 8 months ago)
[18:09] <trism> n0yd: I said at least, I don't know what else is broken at the moment
[18:09] <n0yd> Nothing is "broken" so to speak :)
[18:09] <n0yd> Everything works
[18:11] <Gape2> Does Ubuntu default to uefi boot?
[18:13] <n0yd> handuel, i got it working :)
[18:13]  * n0yd is happy
[18:13] <handuel> n0yd: great, sorry I couldn't help
[18:14] <n0yd> I just had to install glib to my ~/ then build gimp against that
[18:14] <n0yd> And point it to the built and installed babl and gegl
[18:15] <n0yd> Cause it couldnt find them on its not, even though they were installed globally as root
[18:15] <n0yd> adamk, thanks for the help
[18:15] <KyouReeus4nfo> Gape2 -- as long as BIOS supports uefi boot, you can change the boot order there and boot from it. I sometimes disable harddrive from boot devices menu just to make sure it is booting from uefi. lol
[18:15] <n0yd> You made me rack my brain enough to doublecheck things, and install glib manually
[18:16] <Guest77168> guys pls help me out with youtube-dl package, it says cant download O.o
[18:16] <n0yd> KyouReeus4nfo, I was gonna answer him also, but he left before anyone could answer
[18:16] <Pici> n0yd: sorry we couldn't be more helpful. This channel isn't really intended for people trying to install things from source.
[18:16] <Pici> At least not normally.
[18:16] <Pici> Guest77168: What release of Ubuntu are you using?
[18:17] <Guest77168> 12.04
[18:17] <Guest77168> Pici, ^
[18:17] <imajeff> Hi all, I just can't see how to get my hi res back on my external monitor. It was detected last week
[18:17] <Pici> Guest77168: The package won't download or youtube-dl won't download any videos>?
[18:17] <Guest77168> Pici, ERROR: unable to download video
[18:17] <Guest77168>  this is what it says
[18:17] <kj6psg> imajeff, you have the proper drivers?
[18:18] <imajeff> I have everything same as last week when it worked except I've seen some updates
[18:18] <imajeff> it's 13.04
[18:18] <Guest77168> Pici, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711004/
[18:19] <n0yd> Pici, I know. Sadfly its not really intended for anything more than the typical new user issues most of the time.  It's my biggest gripe with the channel and has been for years.  This channel just isnt very useful for indepth or more complex issues.  And that isn't a rant, I am genuinely just speaking my opinion.  Because I think would it would be awesome if there was another channel just for the more complex issues and the complex-use stuff one might come
[18:19] <n0yd> across in ubuntu. Something like ##linux, but specifically for ubuntu users.
[18:19] <KyouReeus4nfo> Can anyone point me to a channel for gateway to gateway IPSEC?
[18:19] <Pici> Guest77168: Its possible that youtube-dl isn't working on that release, there have been issues in the past with it being unable to cope with Google API changes.  I personally have been using cclive for a while and haven't had any issues with it.
[18:19] <imajeff> Now always shows external monitor is "Unknown", and only two resolutions
[18:20] <n0yd> Pici, I think that would be awesome.  And it w0oulkd be of great help to Ubuntu users that want to delve deeper into their system and learn the more complex stuff
[18:20] <Pici> n0yd: noted.  I'll see about adding it to the next IRC Council meeting, can't hurt to have a discussion about it.
[18:20] <Guest77168> package name is? Pici
[18:20] <Pici> Guest77168: cclive is the package name
[18:21] <n0yd> Pici, I brought it up before at the boston loco meetings 4-5 years back. So we kinda just made the loco channel an #ubuntu-advanced channel for us
[18:21] <Ntemis> anyone here to help me?
[18:22] <Ntemis> i am deleting a lot of gb from trash
[18:22] <Gape2> Does boot repair work for uefi boot?
[18:22] <Guest77168> is there documentation page for cclive? Pici
[18:22] <Ntemis> all i have is a white box written file operations and inside there is nothing
[18:22] <Ntemis> i cant kill it
[18:22] <foofoobar> Hi. So I have only 25% of my RAM used and I have set swappiness to 10. However, I have a swap spaced used of 116MB (shows gnome-system-monitor)
[18:22] <foofoobar> how could that be?
[18:22] <Ntemis> i cant manually delete trash items
[18:22] <Pici> Guest77168: man cclive
[18:22] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: because some stuff gets swapped out anyway
[18:22] <Guest77168> haha ok thanks Pici
[18:23] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: Why? And what for stuff?
[18:23] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: it's not really something you need to care about
[18:23] <handuel> Ntemis, drop to a command line and kill nautilus: killall -9 nautilus
[18:23] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: I was just wondering why I hear my HDD working
[18:23] <Guest77168> Pici, which all streaming sites it covers?
[18:23] <Ntemis> ha
[18:23] <n0yd> Actually, thats a great name, #ubuntu-advanced. We already have #ubuntu+1 which I know is for the upcoming release, but it does have some more technical issues (Makes sense, more complex bugs) And channels like #ubuntu-gnome also tend to have people answering complex issues.  So I think something like #ubuntu-advanced would be perfect :)
[18:23] <Ntemis> it crashed
[18:23] <foofoobar> even if I set the swappiness to such a low value
[18:23] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: you can quite happily live without swap - and if you're using a solid state disk you *should* ;-)
[18:23] <n0yd> Pici, is there maybe someone/somewhere I can voice such an idea too?
[18:23] <Ntemis> Sorry ubuntu 12.04 epx internal error blah blah
[18:23] <DJT> hi alll
[18:24] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: I am using a ssd, but how should I live without swap?
[18:24] <KyouReeus4nfo> Normally n00bs know that they are n00bs and most who want to keep learning don't mind it, so segregate channels like ubuntu-novice-users, ubuntu-advanced-users, ubuntu-novice-developers and ubuntu-advanced-developers. I will join them all and so will all n00bs which will be redundant, won't it be?
[18:24] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: just turn it off
[18:24] <handuel> Ntemis: then to empty trash from terminal rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[18:24] <DJT> is srting.h natively installed on ubuntu?
[18:24] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: and what happens for the things which would be put in the swap?
[18:24] <n0yd> KyouReeus4nfo, wow, thats even better
[18:24] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: they will be kept in RAM
[18:24] <cuthbeorht> how much room should i leave on my hdd for an ubuntu install for a developper?
[18:24] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: and what happens if I run out of RAM?
[18:25] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: bad stuff happens
[18:25] <Pici> Guest77168: cclive --suport
[18:25] <n0yd> Of course still have this channel, as its the one most new users are going to automatically visit
[18:25] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: so I better not deactivate the swap?!
[18:25] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: well if you *are* using an SSD you want to minimise the number of writes, so swapping to SSD is a bad idea
[18:26] <n0yd> Lots of people aren't going to automatically try to join a channel labeled as their experience level. But its a great idea, and I think the people that need them will seek them out. And there could something in the wiki article on IRC about it
[18:26] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: at worst you'll just get stuff being killed and restarted
[18:26] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: / is on SSD, /home and my swap are on HDD
[18:26] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: oh okay, that's fine then
[18:26] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: just leave it, it's working
[18:26] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: I had the swap on my SSD
[18:26] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: if it works don't fix it ;-)
[18:26] <foofoobar> and had a strange crash tomorrow
[18:26] <jamescarr> how can I get the codename without the Codename: part?
[18:26] <jamescarr> from lsb -c
[18:26] <foofoobar> so I switched the swap to the hdd
[18:26] <n0yd> KyouReeus4nfo, Are you gonna join those channels?  Im gonna join+idle, and help out where I can. I really believe that is an excellent idea
[18:27] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: Whats happening that a swap on a ssd is so bad?
[18:27] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: masses and masses of writes
[18:27] <jamescarr> I got it
[18:27] <jamescarr> thank you and GOODBYE
[18:27] <gwinbee> foofoobar: you can only write to an SSD so many times
[18:27] <Pici> n0yd: You can put an entry on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal and I'll see that it gets presented during the meeting.
[18:28] <foofoobar> gordonjcp, gwinbee: so a lot of new notebooks only have an ssd integrated. How do they handle a swap partition?
[18:28] <Kanna> Looking to replace a laptop with an android tablet for college, nice idea no?
[18:28] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: they generally don't
[18:28] <Kanna> Android tablet -> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nextbook-7-Tablet-with-Google-Play/22127002
[18:29] <Kanna> That's going to be the replacement of the laptop.
[18:29] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: computers have ridiculous amounts of RAM these days
[18:29] <KyouReeus4nfo> BTW, while I am thinking about developing ShoutCast plugin, one can bulk-add internet stations in a text or a CSV file. Make sure URL starts with http://. If you google "ShoutCast Administrator"":8000/"-html you should find plenty of URLs to work with. Or just go to internet-radio.com. :-P
[18:29] <handuel> I just went and created an ubuntu advanced channel (##ubuntu-advanced), but it sounds like someones already done that :(, n0yd seems to be talkinb about it, you should start the name with a double hash though, as it isn't an official channel
[18:29] <Kanna> Good for college? What do you folks think?
[18:29] <n0yd> Pici, awesome, thanks for the link.  Also, I really meant no harm in anything I said earlier. It's just a common complaint from me and other people (I have heard similar complaints about trying to obtain more complex help from this channel)
[18:29] <n0yd> handuel, I already created them
[18:29] <n0yd> On #
[18:29] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: even a fairly inexpensive laptop might have hundreds of megabytes of RAM ;-)
[18:29] <n0yd> Because they would be official if it gets approved
[18:29] <handuel> n0yd: I thought so, I left the convo when I made it and missed you saying so
[18:30] <handuel> n0yd: oh well it can't do in harm in just existing
[18:30] <n0yd> And while yes, at the moment the are technbically unofficial, I'd rather just have one channel, so we dont have to confuse anyone later by switching
[18:30] <n0yd> handuel, ya no harm done
[18:30] <foofoobar> gordonjcp: so why is my sytem putting things on my swap when I still have 3gigs of RAM free?
[18:30] <n0yd> I could even have the # ones forward to ##
[18:31] <JediUnixMaster> I did a adducer, then ssh in and the prompt is wrong, I can't source a .bash_aliases file I vi'd, I can't logout ,,,,, what did i not do?
[18:32] <handuel> n0yd: that might be a plan, I've not create a ##-novcie one yet, but I may, I'll op you on advanced anyway, just in case it gets used
[18:32] <kiko_> hi
[18:32] <handuel> n0yd: oh you have to be joined to gain op
[18:32] <Kanna> Android tablet or Laptop which one is better for college?
[18:32] <gordonjcp> foofoobar: various reasons
[18:32] <JediUnixMaster> anyone?
[18:32] <n0yd> ok, I made # for advanced and novice, and am registewring them now
[18:33] <KyouReeus4nfo> Kanna, use the lab in college
[18:33] <handuel> Is there a way of removing irc channels, or do they just hang around
[18:33] <n0yd> handuel, preferably, they should be setup without auto-oping, per the freenode prefered channel guidelines. So if an op needs op, they op themselves via chanserv
[18:33] <n0yd> handuel, if its registered, you can de-reg them I believe
[18:33] <n0yd> if not via chanserv, then by asking a staff.
[18:34] <handuel> n0yd: I'll go and look at the chanserv help
[18:34] <n0yd> If its not registered, it will disappear after everyone leaves
[18:34] <JediUnixMaster> Is this the wrong channel to be asking adducer questions?
[18:34] <n0yd> JediUnixMaster, not at all
[18:34] <JediUnixMaster> ok, so I did a adducer, then ssh in and the prompt is wrong, I can't source a .bash_aliases file I vi'd, I can't logout ,,,,, what did i not do?
[18:34] <n0yd> if its on ubuntu, then yes
[18:35] <n0yd> sounds like you didnt setup the ~/ correctly. Liuke permissions and thingsx
[18:35] <Eagleman> Is there something like Clonezilla but then for online usage ( instead of taking the machine offline and run clonezilla ), its comparable with windows backup
[18:36] <handuel> n0yd: there we go, should be gone now
[18:36] <bekks> Eagleman: Windows BAckup cant create images like Clonezilla.
[18:36] <n0yd> handuel, oh ok, you are gonna transfer over to the single #?
[18:36] <bekks> Eagleman: And for image creation, you need to offline the system, for ensuring to have an consistent image.
[18:36] <n0yd> If so, I wont set an forward.
[18:36] <Eagleman> bekks, it can, it created a virtual harddisk which is the same like an image, i can restore it with the windows "livecd"
[18:36] <JediUnixMaster> nOyd  I did a sudo useradd -d /home/nodejs -m nodejs
[18:36] <handuel> n0yd: no don't set a forward, I will transfer over, the channel is completely gone
[18:36] <n0yd> handuel, feel free to join #ubuntu-advanced-users and #ubuntu-novice-users
[18:36] <n0yd> JediUnixMaster, ya do this
[18:37] <n0yd> instead of useradd, use the adduser script
[18:37] <n0yd> It sets everything up for you
[18:37] <JediUnixMaster> ah, ok, cool,, thank u very much  :)
[18:37] <n0yd> So just remove the user and redd using the adduser script
[18:37] <n0yd> no problem :)
[18:37] <bekks> Eagleman: Nope, it isnt. It isnt a consistent 1:1 image.
[18:37] <n0yd> JediUnixMaster, I just use useradd for moidifying an user, like adding him tyo groups and such
[18:38] <JediUnixMaster> how do i logout with that user,,,,logout doesn't work lol
[18:38] <Eagleman> bekks, hmm not sure then, but last time my machine crashed and i used the backup to restore i had everything running, which is what i want in linux
[18:38] <JediUnixMaster> nOyd   how do i logout with that user,,,,logout doesn't work lol
[18:39] <luigi> I demand wireless usb
[18:39] <luigi> Please implement this
[18:39] <JediUnixMaster> nevermind, exit worked
[18:41] <Eagleman> bekks, after my server crashes i want it up as fast as possible, and i dont want to take my server down once a week to run clonezilla, it should be automatic
[18:41] <luigi> Eagleman: Virtualize that server and use snapshots
[18:42] <Eagleman> luigi, it already is, but when my server exploded snapshots are not usefull at all
[18:42] <Eagleman> everything will be gone
[18:42] <Eagleman> explodes
[18:42] <luigi> Eagleman: Backup the snaphosts
[18:42] <bekks> Eagleman: Then save your backup somewhere else, and not on the same server.
[18:42] <Eagleman> luigi, snapshots dont work that way
[18:42] <luigi> Eagleman: They do if you're using something like ESXi
[18:42] <Eagleman> bekks, i will, i am using rackspace, but i need a program for my needs
[18:43] <bekks> Eagleman: Snapshots are for backing them up. Snapshots themselfs are not considered to be valid backups.
[18:43] <luigi> Eagleman: What's your virtualization solution?
[18:43] <n0yd> handuel, where'd you go? :P
[18:43] <Eagleman> luigi, snapshots only record data that changed since the last snapshot, if i backup a snapshot of about 100MB ( 100mb changed ) i am unable to restore my server out of the 100mb
[18:43] <handuel> n0yd: sos, had to restart xchat
[18:43] <bekks> Eagleman: Either on ESX, ESXi, ZFS and other filesystems that support snapshots, they work that way. You have to back them up to have valid backups.
[18:43] <handuel> w8, I'll join again
[18:44] <luigi> Eagleman: That's why you backup the entire base set of snaps and the snap itself
[18:44] <luigi> Eagleman: Which will, in the end, result in a differential backup scheme where you are only copying over that 100mb after every snap
[18:44] <ps1quiKo> ola k asei
[18:44] <bekks> Eagleman: You should consider a different backup strategy :)
[18:44] <luigi> Eagleman: All of the snapshot chain still resides on another server and you can restore from the whole chain
[18:47] <Eagleman> luigi, not sure how to do that at all on esxi
[18:47] <Eagleman> and i only have one server
[18:47] <luigi> Eagleman: Are you using like, Vmware vSPhere manager?
[18:47] <Eagleman> luigi, this is for home
[18:48] <JediUnixMaster> when i ssh into my machine, i want my aliases to work,,,,,,What file should I put them In ???
[18:48] <luigi> Eagleman: You just enable ssh access and create an rsync job from another machine
[18:48] <ssfdre38> do you know where the bzip2 source is located at?
[18:48] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: probably ~/.bashrc
[18:48] <Eagleman> luigi, and when data changed inside the vmdk file, which will when it is online
[18:48] <Eagleman> during the rsync job
[18:48] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: You have to copy it over to the server you're ssh'ing to
[18:48] <luigi> Eagleman: Ignore vmdk
[18:48] <bekks> Eagleman: There are plenty of backup solutions for ESXi, that work with snapshots.
[18:49] <Anxi80> Alright I have a fresh install of 13.04 which used an MD5 checked installer. I have experienced 4 crashes in the last two hours. What is the best way to signal this issue to the appropriate people?
[18:49] <JediUnixMaster> ok, thank u
[18:49] <bekks> Eagleman: Even solutions using CBR.
[18:49] <luigi> Eagleman: Only copy snapshots and persistent drive changes
[18:49] <TeamRocket1233c> Anyone having problems with FF Nightly not updating?
[18:49] <luigi> Eagleman: Or listen to bekks and use a darn 3rd party plugin like everyone else does
[18:52] <JediUnixMaster> luigi  nope, its not reading the .bashrc when i ssh in
[18:53] <JediUnixMaster> let me try .profie
[18:53] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: It's not reading the bashrc on the remote machine when you log in to the remote machine?
[18:53] <JediUnixMaster> luigi: no sir
[18:54] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: Are you using bash?
[18:54] <JediUnixMaster> let me chk
[18:54] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: echo $SHELL after you've ssh'd in
[18:55] <JediUnixMaster> i which sh  and got /bin/sh
[18:55] <JediUnixMaster> AH HAH
[18:55] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: which sh will always return /bin/sh
[18:55] <eoo> how come my theme doesnt work on many applications
[18:55] <eoo> but only on system ones
[18:55] <eoo> (ie synaptic
[18:55] <TheMoonMan> Hi all, can anyone tell me how I can gain root permissions so I can edit a file in the usr/ directory.
[18:55] <JediUnixMaster> O
[18:55] <JediUnixMaster> :)
[18:55] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: Unless you have some crazy path and strange binaries
[18:55] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: echo $SHELL
[18:55] <luigi> TheMoonMan: sudo <command>
[18:55] <JediUnixMaster> yep its /bin/bash
[18:55] <luigi> eoo: Your theme has been applied to the root user, most likely
[18:56] <TheMoonMan> How do I open a file using the sudo terminal command?
[18:56] <TheMoonMan> never used linux before.
[18:56] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: Try adding aliases to ~/.bash_profile
[18:56] <luigi> TheMoonMan: Try sudo nano <file>
[18:56] <eoo> <TheMoonMan:
[18:56] <TheMoonMan> ty
[18:56] <eoo> TheMoonMan: use gksudo
[18:56] <JediUnixMaster> ok luigi let me try that
[18:56] <luigi> eoo: He only needs gksudo for graphical applications
[18:57] <eoo> luigi: a new user won't be good with nano
[18:57] <luigi> eoo: It's like notepad
[18:57] <luigi> eoo: But you're right, gedit would be better
[18:57] <psiklops_> Hi. I am building the a custom 3.9.4 Kernel. I was told that Ubuntus 3.9.x Kernel includes Module for RTL2832U.
[18:57] <luigi> TheMoonMan: If you want an easier program to edit with, use gedit like 'gksudo gedit <file>'
[18:58] <JediUnixMaster> luigi:  YES,, That worked luigi many thx
[18:58] <JediUnixMaster> so its the same as a mac
[18:58] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: It's very similar
[18:58] <psiklops_> Would it be possible to paste the .config for this for me please ?
[18:59] <psiklops_> So i may take a look on how it was done
[18:59] <JediUnixMaster> luigi: Would you suggest that I dump the .bashrc script contents into the .bash_profile???
[18:59] <JediUnixMaster> it the standard .bashrc that came with the install
[19:00] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: Well... Both files are supposed to be used for different things. One is for interactive shells, the other is for login shells. The distinction is a little strange to most users
[19:00] <JediUnixMaster> 12.04
[19:00] <JediUnixMaster> its certainly strange to me
[19:00] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: I would source .bashrc from .bash_profile
[19:00] <eoo> luigi:i moved the themes to ~/.local/share/themes
[19:00] <Anxi80> Where is a good place to store hardware driver binaries in 13.04?
[19:00] <JediUnixMaster> good idea
[19:00] <eoo> still doesnt work
[19:00] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: So .bash_profile has only one line that is: [[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc
[19:01] <JediUnixMaster> luigi: awesome ill do that
[19:02] <eoo> luigi: what else can i do. My theme works with nemo and synaptic but not with xchat or fireofx
[19:02] <luigi> eoo: I'm not really sure
[19:02] <luigi> eoo: Sorry :/
[19:04] <sobhy> hi
[19:04] <doctor_dennis> haha, hi
[19:04] <carnau> Hi there, since a cuple of days the ubuntu loading screen has low graphics(the one with lilac color). Is there anything I can do to fix it? Thanks
[19:04] <adamgolding> what's the difference between "OEM install (for manafacturers)" and the 'normal' install method?
[19:05] <carnau> adamgolding, OEM is for Companies to install on many computers at once without having to manually type out the initial info.
[19:05] <elisa87> I have a problem regarding the mounted disk image. Can you please take a look at here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711162/ why the file I have copied here can't be shown by ls?
[19:05] <JediUnixMaster> luigi: YEP COOL that works nicely, thank you for your time  :D
[19:06] <luigi> JediUnixMaster: No problem dude!
[19:06] <luigi> And what is up with the Floodbots today...
[19:07] <carnau> elisa87, why are you putting that 64 and 2 in the sentence?
[19:07] <elisa87> I wanted to run that binary with its run arguments carnau
[19:07] <elisa87> anyway it can't even ls the normal binary saying it doesn't exist?~!? carnau
[19:08] <carnau> elisa87, if you want to run a binary, then don't use ls at first, because then 64 and 2 are parameters of ls, not of the backprop binary
[19:09] <carnau> elisa87, you can do: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/backprop 64 2
[19:09] <Corey> elisa87: You can ls the binary, or you can execute it. You cannot do both as a part of the same command. :-)
[19:10] <elisa87> Corey: it realizes the ls jalal@mona:/research/jalal/gem5/gem5-stable/system/x86/disks$ sudo ls /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/backprop
[19:10] <elisa87> /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/backprop
[19:10] <elisa87>  
[19:10] <Corey> elisa87: Right?
[19:10] <Corey> elisa87: I fail to see the problem so far. :-)
[19:11] <luigi> elisa87: You cannot run commands as just 'command' unless the path leading up to that command is in your environment variable called PATH
[19:11] <elisa87> Corey:  when I am running it in the simulator it says: /tmp/script: line 3: cd: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory
[19:11] <luigi> elisa87: Look at echo $PATH
[19:12] <TheMoonMan> luigi how do I save the file after I am done editing it with nano.
[19:12] <luigi> TheMoonMan: Ctrl+O
[19:12] <TheMoonMan> and after that do I want to save it in dos format?
[19:12] <luigi> Do you?
[19:13] <TheMoonMan> it was a .conf file.
[19:13] <TheMoonMan> but there is no option just to save.
[19:13] <luigi> Then probably not
[19:13] <luigi> Don't save in dos format
[19:14] <TheMoonMan> would I change the prefix and then put .conf?
[19:14] <luigi> TheMoonMan: How would I know unless you gave me more information about what you're saving, and to where?
[19:15] <luigi> TheMoonMan: You can save to full paths by Ctrl+O and typing out the full path/filename
[19:15] <luigi> TheMoonMan: Then hit enter
[19:15] <TheMoonMan> I'm editing a ushare.conf file in the usr/etc directory.  I just want to save it.  Don't want to change the file format or anything.
[19:16] <luigi> Ctrl+O and type /usr/etc/ushare.conf
[19:16] <luigi> Then hit enter
[19:16] <bekks> TheMoonMan: then you have to use sudo nano to do so.
[19:16] <luigi> TheMoonMan: Oh, yeah, did you use sudo?
[19:16] <TheMoonMan> yes I have done that. Then it is asking me what format I want to save it as.  It has no option for .conf.
[19:17] <luigi> TheMoonMan: Save it in unix format
[19:17] <luigi> TheMoonMan: What are the options for the format?
[19:17] <luigi> TheMoonMan: The exact message would be helpful
[19:17] <TheMoonMan> ahhhh sorry.  my fault.  just had to click enter a second time.
[19:17] <luigi> No problem!
[19:17] <TheMoonMan> thanks for the help:)
[19:17] <luigi> Glad it worked out in the end
[19:18] <elisa87> luigi: what do you mean?
[19:18] <elisa87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711220/ luigi
[19:18] <luigi> elisa87: Exactly what I said. If you specify at what point you got confused, I can elaborate more on that specific part
[19:19] <luigi> elisa87: Nice PATH
[19:19] <elisa87> luigi:  I got what you said but didn't get the relation to the problem. Do you why the simulator can't find the binary I have copied to the disk image after it boots the disk successfully?
[19:20] <TheMoonMan> also one more question if you don't mind. I want to play audio via a HDMI output.  But when I plug in the HDMI cable and go onto sound outputs via the GUI it has no option for HDMI.  Would I be able to install a driver to allow me to use the hdmi as an output and how would I go about doing it in Ubuntu?
[19:20] <luigi> elisa87: What exact command are you using to invoke the binary?
[19:20] <elisa87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711229/
[19:20] <elisa87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711229/ luigi
[19:21] <luigi> TheMoonMan: That sounds like a pulseaudio issue, though people here will probably help you. The driver should already be included to do that, it's just a matter of configuring your audio system to play out the HDMI
[19:21] <BluesKaj> TheMoonMan, make sure you graphics card driver is up to date as well as your soundcard driver
[19:21] <luigi> elisa87: What error happens at line 11?
[19:21] <elisa87> luigi:  here's the error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711235/
[19:22] <BluesKaj> TheMoonMan, also install pavucontriol in order to give options for audioi to hdmi outputs
[19:22] <luigi> elisa87: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory is the problem. What user are you running this script as?
[19:22] <TheMoonMan> If the drivers were already installed.  Would it just be a matter of right clicking the speaker icon and going onto audio outputs?
[19:23] <luigi> TheMoonMan: Sadly, no. There are many things between you and the device the driver creates. You need a tool like pavucontrol like BluesKaj suggested to configure the HDMI out
[19:24] <luigi> elisa87: It might be that only root may cd into /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/
[19:24] <TheMoonMan> Ok thanks both of you.  I'll try installing it.
[19:24] <luigi> TheMoonMan: With any luck, it'll show up under input devices in that program
[19:24] <elisa87> luigi: maybe but what's the solution? should I use sudo chmod 777 backprop for the backprop binary?
[19:24] <binaryflow> Hello everyone! I am running mysql workbench and have imported a rather large database (# of tables, not amount of data). When I try to view the tables in the workbench it crunches forever and never finishes refreshing the data. Has anyone seen that before?
[19:24] <Chris_W> hello.  can anyone help me out here.  Im having an issue between to computers, when I transfer between the two using the CP command the file sizes are different.
[19:25] <luigi> elisa87: sudo chmod a+rwX /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/
[19:25] <nmbro> hey guys - I want to add users to my ubuntu box from a web interface - but I'm struggling with finding the best way to do so; I can't seem to make "www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/adduser --home /www/customers/[[0-9a-z.-]]+ --shell /sbin/nologin --disabled-password --disabled-login [[0-9a-z.-]]+" in sudoers work :-\
[19:25] <binaryflow> Latest ubuntu running on a Latitude E5420 with 8 gb ram.
[19:25] <luigi> elisa87: Though this means ANYONE can access that folder
[19:25] <binaryflow> I've got plenty of resources.
[19:25] <bekks> binaryflow: Yeah. Throw away those graphical tools. :)
[19:25] <binaryflow> Oh, and I'm running mysql-server locally.
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> nmbro  ask in #bash
[19:25] <elisa87> luigi: that's ok :P
[19:25] <binaryflow> bekks: lol, really? Mysql Workbench can't handle it?
[19:25] <luigi> binaryflow: The GUI tools for MySQL are horrible and slow
[19:26] <nmbro> thx MonkeyDust
[19:26] <bekks> binaryflow: Those tools arent designed to do it. No one of it. Things like "let me see all tables, cause I like it scrolling" - dont do it :)
[19:26] <binaryflow> Ok, I might have to brush up on my mysql command line-fu then.
[19:26] <binaryflow> It's been awhile.
[19:26] <luigi> elisa87: Might want to ls -l that folder and tell me that the permissions string was before you chmod
[19:27] <binaryflow> Thanks!
[19:27] <luigi> elisa87: Would look something like 'drwxr-xr-x'
[19:28] <luigi> elisa87: So ls -l /mnt and give me the permission string for rodinia_benchmarks
[19:31] <Blaze_Boy> on my HP ProBook 4540s, installed windows8 and ubuntu 13.04 (GRUB2), when entering GRUB2 console and execute "usb" it doesn't list the usb flash stick, any ideas why?
[19:31] <elisa87> luigi: even with sudo chmod 777 backprop I am receiving this error after the disk image boots by the simulator /tmp/script: line 3: cd: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory
[19:32] <belfast> quit
[19:33] <bekks> elisa87: Then that directory does not exist.
[19:34] <TheMoonMan> In the PAV control my HDMI output is appearing but when I set it up to use it as an output for audio none is getting through.  Would that probably be a driver issue?
[19:36] <shmoolUbun> how can i change the icon of an application in the unity dock
[19:36] <shmoolUbun> ?
[19:36] <aFeijo> ubuntu 13.04 changed the file browser Connect to Server option, how can I set a different ssh port ?
[19:36] <nysosym> hi there
[19:37] <bekks> aFeijo: servername:otherport
[19:37] <aFeijo> bekks, thanks, I'll test it
[19:37] <aFeijo> great!!!
[19:37] <elisa87> luigi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711287/ here's the ls -l /mnt output
[19:38] <balrog-k1n> is there a standard place where the network manager / modem manager puts its logs so i could see why a 3G connection is failing?
[19:38] <Blaze_Boy> what is the best channel to ask about GRUB2 ?, tried #grub but it is inactive, anyother related channels ?
[19:40] <elisa87> bekks:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711287/
[19:40] <mrsquizzles> *squizzle*
[19:41] <mrsquizzles> linux stinks
[19:44] <shmoolUbun> ?
[19:44] <shmoolUbun> how can i change the icon of an application in the unity dock
[19:44] <shmoolUbun> ?
[19:44] <elisa87> hey do you know why after the simulator boots the disk image it cannot cd to /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks while it is in here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711287/ the simulator gives me this error: /tmp/script: line 3: cd: /mnt/rodinia_benchmarks/: No such file or directory
[19:45] <leonardo_> e ai povo
[19:45] <leonardo_> to precisando de uma for├¦a aqui
[19:46] <Pici> !br | leonardo_
[19:46] <mirage_> @ shmoolUbun : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb5Ue2XKiE8 good luck
[19:46] <w201> shmoolUbun: I think one way is creating your own icon and editing the configuration files located somewhere on your system, I'm not sure where you can find them
[19:47] <MonkeyDust> shmoolUbun  in the application's .desktop file
[19:48] <hexacode> anyone know if theres a way for inverted selection in bash? for example,  when you go 'rm *' you remove all files since the * wildcard, but i need to do something like  remove all files not ending in .ini    is there something like  'rm * !.ini' ?
[19:49] <KyouReeus4nfo> Quick question to whoever knows: How do I request higher version of a software (a vulnerable one) in repositories? It's Wireshark BTW. http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-3661
[19:49] <jrib> hexacode: yes, but it's not enabled by default.  See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/glob about extended globs
[19:49] <Corey> hexacode: Nope, I'd use "find" with an exclude...
[19:49] <Corey> jrib: Oh?
[19:50] <jrib> Corey: yep, pretty neat and relatively recent addition iirc.  On the other hand, zsh has had them for a while ;)
[19:50] <Corey> jrib: Okay, that'll work, yes, but I'd cheat and use find if someone's uncertain about that. :-)
[19:50] <hexacode> thanks you guys
[19:51] <Penorsaurus> I am trying to install svn2git, but it cannot locate the package.
[19:51] <Penorsaurus> anyone know where I can download/compile it myself?
[19:51] <leonardo_> guys, a got a problem trying installing ubuntu 12.10 on the side of win7, my grub to select ubuntu doesnt appear, anyone has any suggestion to fix that problem?
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> KyouReeus4nfo  if you want the version of a higher release, try the backports ; if you want a version that is in no repo, use a !PPA - but that's not supported here
[19:52] <KyouReeus4nfo> I will try backports, thanks!
[19:53] <otend> bit of an unusual question
[19:53] <otend> how can I make an off-brand Xbox 360 controller be recognized as a standard one, so that I can use the drivers for 360 controllers?
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> otend  how is that ubuntu related?
[19:54] <otend> it worked out of the box in 12.10's initial incarnation, but it's currently not working
[19:54] <bazhang> otend, how is this an ubuntu support issue
[19:54] <otend> I'm asking in the context of Ubuntu how to basically spoof how a device is recognized
[19:55] <otend> or some such
[19:55] <otend> the wiki page's advice did not solve my issue, unfortunately
[19:55] <MonkeyDust> otend  and how legal is that?
[19:56] <alan_> :)
[19:56] <bazhang> otend, to do what with the xbox controller in ubuntu?
[19:56] <otend> it should be entirely legal
[19:56] <otend> basically, to use it as a standard controller, because what I have now is not recognized as one
[19:56] <otend> it's recognized as a device, but no application is able to use it
[19:56] <bazhang> for your ubuntu system?
[19:56] <otend> yes
[20:00] <adamxx> So, I could use some help.
[20:00] <adamxx> Ubuntu 13.10 x64, installing to a WD 150GB Raptor
[20:01] <adamxx> Installing from USB drive.
[20:01] <Corey> !ask | adamxx
[20:01] <adamxx> Lolokay.
[20:01] <adamxx> Let me start over then.
[20:01] <Corey> adamxx: Nobody's going to read through 50 lines of lastlog for a problem description.
[20:01] <adamxx> I get it man.
[20:02] <Jonathan_> does any one know the command to change mod a file in the terminal konsole
[20:02] <Corey> Jonathan_: change mod?
[20:02] <Jonathan_> yes
[20:02] <adamxx> Installing Ubuntu 13.10 x64 to 150GB drive. Running Asus Sabertooth 990x (has UEFI bios). I created the EFI boot partition like I've found on google. Is there something I'm missing?
[20:02] <Jonathan_> change mod
[20:03] <Corey> Jonathan_: You talking about altering permissions?
[20:03] <adamxx> I've been following this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI, but I'm sure I've done something wrong.
[20:03] <Jonathan_> yes
[20:03] <Corey> Jonathan_: chmod
[20:03] <Corey> Jonathan_: Technically it's "change modes."
[20:03] <zlude> someone can tell me what is the command that he is running to get the real time traffic? http://www.routehub.net/writeable/editor_uploads//images/social-network-ip.JPG
[20:04] <Corey> zlude: tshark with the proper flags will output a very close display.
[20:04] <bekks> zlude: Pretty small picture. What is it showing, actually?
[20:05] <lolek> hello all
[20:05] <Corey> bekks: Looks like number of connections per host.
[20:05] <Corey> Otherwise netstat -ant |grep ESTABLISHED will work.
[20:05] <Jonathan_> what i am trying to do is make a file executable from the terminal
[20:05] <adam_m> chmod + x
[20:06] <adam_m> that should make it executable
[20:06] <KyouReeus4nfo> Objective: I would like to log into Unity but I have applications currently running in Xfce and I don't want to close them and log out. Is there a way to attain this?
[20:06] <domi382> chmod +x "filename here"
[20:06] <lolek> guys I've got a problem with bluetooth, after an hours of sound streaming, I'm unable to connect to the gateway, I need to reboot ubuntu to have the possibility to stream it again...
[20:07] <zlude> bekks, it is the "traffic monitor" showed in The Social Network movie when Mark see facemash.com traffic. So i'm curious if this command exists.
[20:07] <lolek> here is the output from syslog
[20:07] <lolek> http://pastebin.com/cPBdREJA
[20:07] <DirkCrude> trying to get some help: but i'm a brand new user (like hours new) so if you have the pateints to deal with someone whos practically retarded new i could use some help
[20:08] <domi382> can somebody help me? i have backtrack 5 and i have installed steam and skype but everytime i restart these 2 programs are gone!
[20:08] <DirkCrude> i don't know the proper code to enter into the terminal
[20:08] <bekks> zlude: There are various commands. netstat, iftop, tcpdump, etc.
[20:08] <yebyen> Should I worry about this:
[20:08] <yebyen> E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1.
[20:08] <yebyen> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-21-generic with 1.
[20:08] <adamxx> Nevermind.
[20:08] <domi382> can somebody help me? i have backtrack 5 and i have installed steam and skype but everytime i restart these 2 programs are gone!
[20:09] <adamxx> I'll ask somewhere else.
[20:09] <yebyen> looks like an issue relating to pango, i see I still have an initramfs but I'm afraid to reboot
[20:09] <MonkeyDust> DirkCrude  code to do what?
[20:09] <bekks> !backtrack | domi382
[20:09] <domi382> ok thx bye
[20:11] <Pumpkin-> zlude: apachetop is does pretty much what that screenshot looks like it is doing. Check out http://www.fr3nd.net/projects/apache-top/
[20:11] <hexacode> exit
[20:12] <ziggyziggy> Hi. Could somebody please tell me how to restart a service on Ubuntu i.e. Plex. Many thanks
[20:13] <MonkeyDust> (three days i'm trying to remove tt-rss :-s )
[20:16] <disputin> sudo /etc/init.d/plexmediaserver restart
[20:17] <ziggyziggy> wow thankyou very much
[20:17] <n0yd> Pici, you there by chance?
[20:21] <DirkCrude> -can anyone help me i had updating problems so i ran apt-get  update the apt-get apgrade... with success but i'm still having problem starting my ubuntu os boot up.it runns a dos command starting problems with finding the boot command and goes thru abunch of commands off killing this and that and i have to exit  and  finially get ubuntu  to finially get the os to start. does anyone have a clue uif this is normal.... and one more 
[20:21] <Jonathan_> domi382 thanks alot!!!
[20:22] <eject_ck> Hi
[20:22] <DirkCrude> it asks to open a generic version of the ubuntu or a generic recovery page....
[20:23] <DirkCrude> is this normal???  if anyone can steer me in the right direction
[20:23] <adam_m> DirkCrude: that sounds like bios problems man
[20:24] <eject_ck> I need to keep backup for directory ~ 200GB and ~ 1000 000 files inside. Want to keep sync copy. Then do some upgrade, then I need revert all the changes back. Question - what's best tool to do revert fast (compare files)? Rsync / CVS / SVN / Git  / other ?
[20:24] <Amarok_TR> hi
[20:24] <fully_human> Hello. I made a dumb mistake and manually deleted some python2.7 files. Now whenever I try to apt-get install python2.7 to correct my mistake I get the error: "python2.7: can't open file '/usr/lib/python2.7/py_compile.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory" Any ideas? Thanks.
[20:24] <adam_m> maybe try looking into changing something in your bios settings. it sounds like its trying to do something else before booting from the disk perhaps.
[20:24] <DirkCrude> i ran sudo apt-get update (succesfully) then the upgrade (succesfully) is there another step i should do after those commands i should run
[20:25] <disputin> fully_human sudo apt-get install ŌĆöreinstall python2.7 (assuming that's the package name)
[20:25] <fully_human> disputin: Same error.
.... is that to me?
[20:25] <fully_human> disputin: I tried manually downloading the python2.7 package from sourceforge, too...after installing it I got the same result.
[20:26] <disputin> cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[20:26] <adam_m> yes, what happens when you boot up
[20:26] <DirkCrude> disputin..... is that reply to me me?
[20:26] <disputin> see if the python package is there and reinstall using dpkg -i python2.7
[20:26] <zlude> Pumpkin-, I'm trying apachetop but no show nothing.. same with apachetop -f /var/log/apache2/access.log
[20:26] <disputin> dirkcrude no it's for fully_human
[20:26] <zlude> :/
[20:26] <adam_m> DirkCrude: what happens when you boot up again
[20:27] <DirkCrude> adam m...........it runs a bunch of commands trying to run pci and usb commands  which inturn says killing this and that until i type the command to exit which finially boots the umbuntu os system
[20:29] <adam_m> DirkCrude: id check the bios first to see whats happening.
[20:30] <adam_m> make sure that the hard drive is highest priority. Do you have a graphics card of some sort as well by chance?
[20:31] <DirkCrude> adam m......what exactly am i trying to change in my bios
[20:31] <DirkCrude> adam m.......... if you want i will try to reboot and copy and paste the commands of the files its killing but its a pci and usb command that is being killed
[20:31] <adam_m> the boot order specifically
[20:31] <DirkCrude> is there another command that i need to run after the spt
[20:31] <adam_m> just make sure that it is booting from the hard drive first
[20:32] <adam_m> wont know until we try and fix this one thing at a time
[20:32] <adam_m> just see if that helps i guess
[20:32] <DirkCrude> sorry another command i need to run after the update and upgrade command
[20:33] <DirkCrude> the boot order is for my hddisk1 then hddisk 2 but i had to install of a pendrive initially usbHDD
[20:44] <adamxx> How to install Ubuntu 13.04 on machine with UEFI bios and no visable option in BIOS to turn on Legacy Boot?
[20:44] <adamxx> Asus Sabertooth 990FX board, fully updated bios.
[20:44] <Gape2> Hey, after updating from 12.10 to 13.04 ubuntu is gone from list of uefi boot options (I have dual boot with windows 8 but it shouldn't matter). It seems the update manager deleted the files required to boot from the efi partition. Any suggestions?
[20:50] <Albanian> Hi allz
[20:52] <anders3408> hi, i was just playing with ubuntu web server, and did get my own site running again (hosting it my self) then i did an update to the website, but it does not show up when i go into the site, not on lan address or on the domain name
[20:53] <anders3408> nothing changes in www.somewebsitename.com or localhost
[20:56] <Gape2> refreshed without cache?
[20:56] <anders3408> tried also on my phone  and laptop, they have not been on the website before
[20:56] <anders3408> but did also clear webbrowser cache
[20:57] <anders3408> Gape2 im pretty new to working with websites so :)
[20:57] <Gape2> anders3408: no idea then, sorry
[20:57] <rava> hey all, i need a binary working that doesn't seem to exist with the right plugins enabled in oneiric, but works fine from hardy. can i get away with adding the repo and pinning the packages i need to hardy?
[20:59] <Slart> rava: dont add repositories for other versions than what you're running.. you can download the package and install that without messing with your repositories
[20:59] <Slart> rava: try packages.ubuntu.com
[20:59] <rava> Slart: i'll give it a shot, thanks
[20:59] <Slart> rava: you're welcome
[21:00] <constantin_mike> hello
[21:01] <auronandace> rava: hardy and oneiric are no longer supported, also you should never mix releases
[21:01] <marina_> ciao a tutti ragazzi
[21:01] <marina_> ho un problemino :-)
[21:01] <Slart> !it | marina_
[21:02] <constantin_mike> does anybody have any idea about installing a printer on ubuntu/xubuntu, that is not automatically recognized? it's a panasonic kx-mb781 which is not automatically recognized in xubuntu 12.10 (and i guess the same on ubuntu), on google i've only found dead ends ... but i've read something about gdi drivers (don't know what that is), some generic drivers that make basic functions to work
[21:03] <luigi> Is ubuntu ever going to use systemd?
[21:03] <Slart> constantin_mike: if the printer speaks postscript or pdf you might get away with selecting a similar printer or one of the more generic ones
[21:04] <BluesKaj> luigi, 13.10 will be using it to some degree
[21:04] <luigi> BluesKaj: How can you use systemd to a degree?
[21:04] <BluesKaj> luigi, apparently
[21:04] <luigi> I thought it was pretty much all or nothing.
[21:04] <luigi> It's either init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd or not...
[21:05] <constantin_mike> Slart, okay, thank you
[21:05] <constantin_mike> will try
[21:05] <BluesKaj> luigi, well ,do some research or ask in #ubuntu+1
[21:06] <luigi> BluesKaj: Didn't know that channel existed
[21:06] <Slart> constantin_mike: from doing a quick google-search it seems your printer might not be supported in linux.. you might have better luck with a updated cups-version but I wouldn't get my hopes up to high =/
[21:07] <tones_> constantin_Mike, yeah that's what I did last week with an HP printer, generic driver worked
[21:07] <Slart> constantin_mike: this is a thread from 2009, perhaps it might still be useful https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-July/190679.html
[21:08] <Gape2> Hey, after updating from 12.10 to 13.04 ubuntu is gone from list of uefi boot options (I have dual boot with windows 8 but it shouldn't matter). It seems the update manager deleted the files required to boot from the efi partition. Any suggestions?
[21:08] <Amarok_TR> my PC dont see the USB connections
[21:08] <jmurrib21> is skype application downloaded from it web site different than skype wrapper app?
[21:09] <Amarok_TR> my keyboard and mouse is over USB connected
[21:09] <jmurrib21> trying to decide which to install for ubuntu 13.04
[21:09] <Amarok_TR> in Windows is all OK
[21:09] <Amarok_TR> but on Xubuntu not
[21:12] <djmitche> Why is "Some index files failed to download" from apt-get update sometimes flagged as an error (E, exit status 101) and sometimes not (W, 0)?  I can't tell what the critical factor is differentiating the two
[21:13] <|s-a|> hello any tunisians here ?
[21:14] <BluesKaj> luigi, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/systemd/+builds
[21:15] <Iceman_B> my /dev/sda1 suddenly jump to rea-only mode and my system behaves erratically after that. Restoring a backup superblock only helps temporarily, how do I go about fixing this?
[21:15] <luigi> BluesKaj: Those are just builds
[21:16] <BluesKaj> luigi, I juat asked in kubuntu-devel here's the reply : partly as far as I know, we'll be using systemd-udevd instead of udevd, we'll get logind, but core init system will stay upstart. That's what I remember at least
[21:18] <luigi> BluesKaj: That's just... Weird
[21:18] <luigi> BluesKaj: Yikes
[21:19]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...there are aspects og system that are being phased in slowly ..obviously it's not all or nothing
[21:19] <BluesKaj> systemd that is
[21:21] <wakeup> hi
[21:22] <wakeup> I have here an ubuntu lucid lynx (I know outdated, but I can change
[21:22] <wakeup> it) How do I clone my screen o the HDMI output port?
[21:23] <djbengan> Hi! My xorg says i dont got a screen, help :(
[21:23] <luigi> BluesKaj: Well, I just hope that it some day replaces upstart
[21:25] <Iceman_B> nobody? is my hdd dying? :( or did something really broken made it's way into Server 12.10 ?
[21:25] <circuit07> ping
[21:27] <djbengan_> Got dcd...
[21:27] <djbengan_> i hate dcs
[21:28] <djbengan_> Hi. My xorg says i dont have a screen installed. It's intresting since i can read the errortext. Any suggestions?
[21:28] <vitimiti> bye
[21:29] <djbengan_> Or is this channel sleeping now?
[21:30] <jpmh> when I look at "connection information" it tells me my primary, secondary and tertiary DNS is 127.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 4.2.2.2 - how do I see this info at the command line
[21:31] <bekks> jpmh: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[21:32] <djbengan_> My xorg says i dont have a screen installed. It's intresting since i can read the errortext. Any suggestions? i tried a lot of stuff :(
[21:32] <wakeup> dmesg tells me about an attached HDMI screen but xrandr doesn't see
[21:32] <wakeup> i :(
[21:32] <DirkCrude> if anyone can help i'd really appreciate it
[21:32] <home> hello
[21:33] <bekks> DirkCrude: Hlp with what?
[21:34] <djbengan_> anyone?
[21:34] <DirkCrude> `<bekks> i ran the update and the upgrade thru the terminal and it was succesfull... is there any other commands i need to run after that?
[21:34] <bekks> DirkCrude: "No."
[21:34] <bekks> DirkCrude: Which command did you run in particular?
[21:35] <jpmh> bekks: I know, but that does not give me the correct info, it gives me nameserver 127.0.0.1 / search test.colostate.edu
[21:36] <bekks> jpmh: It gives you the information of the first DNS.
[21:36] <jpmh> bekks: ty - how do I discover the seconday and tertiary
[21:37] <Iceman_B> can anyone explain what a superblock does and how up-to-date they are? I understand that the ext4 FS makes backup superblocks every so many blocks?
[21:38] <DirkCrude> one other thing is that when i first try to start the ubuntu os system it is asking me to run a generic page and thousands of lines of commands run down the screen stating that its killing usb and pci commands. finially the only way to access the ubuntu os is to run  the command "exit" which finially starts the os... is that normal? should the page state run ubuntu generic os or the generic thru recovery?
[21:38] <bekks> jpmh: Take a look at /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[21:39] <DirkCrude> sudo apt-get update........ then sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:39] <altin> anyone has this problem with docky on gnome3 http://i.imgur.com/7b0i66j.jpg
[21:40] <n0yd> altin, nope
[21:40] <jpmh> bekks: yes - I know, that is where I set the pre-pend - but there has to be some way to discover what it is in real time simce when I use the GUI to look at "connection info" it gives me the info
[21:40] <n0yd> By chance did you upgrade gnome3 using the gnome teams ppas?
[21:40] <DirkCrude> the only way i can get the os to actually run is to run the command "exit" and it finially begins the ubuntu os
[21:41] <n0yd> altin, the last question was for you
[21:42] <nizor> please where can i get software for advanced mathematics like differentiation and integration
[21:42] <nizor> please help
[21:42] <n0yd> did you check the software center?
[21:43] <altin> n0yd: don't remember doing that!
[21:44] <DirkCrude> bekks........... the only real problem i have is that when i run the generic ubuntu os the fact that is runs tons of commands stating that it's killing the usb and pci commands untill i enter the exit command which will finailly start the ubuntu os
[21:44] <trism> nizor: maxima is one choice in the repos
[21:44] <djbengan_> Can i change my videodriver using tty?
[21:45] <n0yd> altin, so did you or didnt you?
[21:45] <n0yd> Because I had basically the same issue when I used the gnome3 ppas.  But when it was stock it was fine
[21:45] <altin> n0yd: I installed gnome3 as usually with apt-get
[21:45] <altin> but I was firt using kde
[21:45] <altin> first
[21:46] <n0yd> did you install it via gnome-desktop?
[21:46] <DirkCrude> i am completely fed up with windows. installing drivers and all that annoying shit which half the time wont work... i really enjoy ubuntu so far except this small problem of intially starting ubuntu... i'm not sure if it's normal or not
[21:46] <n0yd> The issue looks like your graphics drivers or something
[21:46] <n0yd> You arent getting compositing apparently
[21:47] <altin> n0yd: I have bumblebee installed
[21:47] <n0yd> thats somethijng do with nvidia optimus right?
[21:47] <bekks> DirkCrude: Sounds like your Ubuntu isnt even booting correctly. What do you mean with "it is killing pci and usb commands"?
[21:48] <n0yd> altin, you could try removing bumblebee and use the default driver sertup and see ig it works
[21:49] <n0yd> ive noticed weird issues with the gnome3 compositing
[21:49] <altin> I'd rather have an extended battery life with bumblebee than use docky :P
[21:49] <Iceman_B> how do I check on what device my homedir is residing?
[21:49] <n0yd> altin, well, im guessing anything that uses compositing wont work
[21:50] <n0yd> altin, there are other ways to get docks
[21:50] <n0yd> altin, check out my gnome3 setup, http://oi44.tinypic.com/eqch12.jpg and http://oi40.tinypic.com/fk1kz7.jpg and http://oi40.tinypic.com/dpaemh.jpg
[21:50] <n0yd> IMHO, gnomke3 stock is quite horrid, but its excellent once configured with the right stuff like extensions etc
[21:51] <phillyj> can someone help me set up an HP printer through my wi-fi router? no idea how to begin
[21:51] <n0yd> phillyj, with my HP printer via wifi, I just go to add printers
[21:51] <dawne_p> I've got this "no button" acer v5-571 laptop.  Has anyone ever successfully swapped out one of these for a regular trackpad with buttons?
[21:51] <n0yd> And tell it to search for network printers. Works mint
[21:52] <n0yd> dawne_p, this wouldnt be a good channel to get an answer. try ##hardware
[21:52] <n0yd> or is it, #hardware I forget :P
[21:52] <nizor> differentiation and integration maths software pls?
[21:52] <n0yd> nizor, gnuplot?
[21:52] <secret_ninja> im getting ready to install something from source, and it lists several dependencies that it says i should check for..
[21:53] <secret_ninja> how do i list installed pkgs?
[21:53] <phillyj> n0yd: umm, I don't even know how to find out my printer ip...it asks for that
[21:53] <n0yd> phillyj, it doesnt find it automaticaLLY?
[21:53] <n0yd> it does for me
[21:53] <bekks> phillyj: Print a test page from the printers menu, e.g.
[21:54] <phillyj> n0yd: i connected the printer to the usb port on my belkin router (cheap router)
[21:54] <n0yd> when you hit add printers, there is a little spinning icon, that means its searching for printers on your network
[21:54] <n0yd> phillyj, I have one setup the sameway
[21:54] <bekks> phillyj: You have to configure a static IP on the printer, first.
[21:54] <n0yd> bekks, its wont use an ip if its usb
[21:55] <n0yd> the router acts as the print server
[21:55] <n0yd> so you would use the routers ip
[21:55] <n0yd> I have one setup that way, and one setup via wifi to the router
[21:55] <dawne_p> n0yd, my related question (had to get my kid grape juice first) was whether or not anyone else had trouble with these things.  The pointer moves when I click (to drag something) so that I miss what I was aiming for.
[21:56] <n0yd> dawne_p, my friend has the same issue with a nvidia card using a composited dock in gnome3
[21:56] <n0yd> the pointer is off
[21:56] <djbengan_> Stuf that makes me lol part 1
[21:56] <djbengan_> xorg always breaks
[21:56] <djbengan_> it's a fact
[21:56] <n0yd> xorg is based on very old tech
[21:57] <djbengan_> and you cant fixit witouth reinstall
[21:57] <n0yd> not surprising
[21:57] <bekks> djbengan_: Why does it break?
[21:57] <cjbirk> I have a question: I currently have an nVidia card on my media center running ubuntu, if i switch to a radeon/ati card - what do I need to do so that nothing breaks?
[21:57] <n0yd> umm, you can fix anything without reinstalling, if you know what you are doing
[21:57] <dawne_p> n0yd, it looks ok, but when I touch to click it I see the pointer move.
[21:57] <djbengan_> the oh so annoying no screens found errror.
[21:57] <bekks> djbengan_: Then your driver installation for your graphics card went wrong. Fixable without reinstallation.
[21:57] <Jack_DanieL`s> hey girl's
[21:57] <n0yd> dawne_p, ya, my friend had that same issue. But he is legaly blind, so I thought maybe it was because he was using the magnifying thing
[21:58] <djbengan_> and, the -configure switch is not working
[21:58] <n0yd> But if you have the same issue, no idea
[21:58] <n0yd> Anything is fixablew without reinstalling pretty much
[21:58] <n0yd> At most you have to use a bootcd
[21:58] <bekks> cjbirk: Uninstall the old driver, switch hw, install the new driver. I'd go with nvidia, personally.
[21:58] <n0yd> chroot is a godsend
[21:58] <bekks> djbengan_: Its isnt needed, basically.
[21:58] <djbengan_> bekks: i cant fix my drivers bcus that laptop got no internet.
[21:59] <n0yd> you can download the drivers and put them on disk or usb
[21:59] <bekks> djbengan_: Then you have to get it some internet.
[21:59] <phillyj> n0yd: do I need a special type of printer that can print through a network or will any work?
[21:59] <cjbirk> bekks: really?
[21:59] <steven_> hi
[21:59] <n0yd> phillyj, Well, using them over USB to the router is probably the issue
[21:59] <cjbirk> ati is no good on ubuntu?
[21:59] <bekks> phillyj: With a printserver (see wether your router provides one), every printer works fine.
[22:00] <n0yd> Because the router has to suppor the printer
[22:00] <n0yd> bekks, not true
[22:00] <bekks> cjbirk: For me, ATI was a no-go always. Never had problems with nvidia, but heard a lot of issues with ATI.
[22:00] <djbengan_> Let me explain a bit: it's a macbook air with a broken logicboard. The usb-hub is fried.
[22:00] <n0yd> the router must still support it. Just like if you plugged it into the computer. The router is running linux afterall
[22:01] <secret_ninja> how do i list installed pkgs?
[22:01] <n0yd> bekks, its easier to just get a printer that supports wifi or cat5 and connect it to the router that way
[22:01] <bekks> secret_ninja: dpkg -l
[22:01] <n0yd> That way you dont have to worry about the router actually supporting it
[22:01] <secret_ninja> thnx
[22:01] <n0yd> woops
[22:01] <n0yd> That was meant for you phillyj
[22:01] <n0yd> the last two tjhings I said
[22:01] <n0yd> sorry bekks
[22:02] <nizor> maths softwares pls
[22:02] <n0yd> nizor, youve asked a bunch of times, and even PM'd me
[22:02] <bekks> nizor: "bc"
[22:02] <djbengan_> is the packaged stored on my computer?
[22:02] <n0yd> I told you gnuplot for some stuff, and if you need other stuff, to search google
[22:02] <DankenseN> hi all, if somebody can help me, i already installed apt-get unrar, just trying to unrar a file and i have a message error : CRC failed !???
[22:03] <n0yd> or search software-center
[22:03] <djbengan_> Like, if i purge Xorg, and reinstall, can i do that without internetz?
[22:03] <nizor> n0yd just wana get plenty to try out tonight..needed for project work
[22:03] <n0yd> Linux has TONS of math applications, its one thing linux is popular for
[22:03] <n0yd> nizor, google it, seriously
[22:03] <bekks> djbengan_: How can we know? We dont even know which Ubuntu you have, which graphics card you have, which driver you are using, nor which error message in detail you keep getting.
[22:03] <nizor> downloading kmplot, maxima and gunplot nw
[22:03] <n0yd> nizor, I googled "mathematics applications linux" lots of stuff
[22:04] <nizor> ok thnks n0yd
[22:05] <n0yd> nizor, here is a great list" http://linux.about.com/library/howto/scientific_comput/blsc4.htm
[22:06] <djbengan_> Lol. So, Its ubuntu 13.04 with nauveaue-driver(i will never learn how to spell it right), i got no clue on the chip but i know the nvidia-common is dead. Im getting the no screens connected from xorg.
[22:06] <bekks> djbengan_: Since when is nvidia-common dead?
[22:07] <bekks> djbengan_: And which hardware do you have - which graphics card?
[22:07] <djbengan_> It's dead on the late 2011 macbook airs
[22:07] <bekks> djbengan_: Which graphics adapter...?
[22:08] <elisa87> how can I take rodinia and rodinia_benchmarks out from this list? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711682/ in mount?
[22:09] <djbengan_> bekks: NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory3
[22:09] <bekks> djbengan_: Then just use nvidia-updates?
[22:10] <djbengan_> bekks: Last time i tried i got "cannot configure this device" when using nvida-updates
[22:10] <OliverJAsh> i'm new. what should i be using for terminal? i'm an advanced terminal user on os x, use panes etc
[22:10] <OliverJAsh> also need good support for colours
[22:12] <zykotick9> OliverJAsh: you might want to try urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode), it's minimal, but one of the best terminal emulator going... YMMV
[22:12] <phillyj> n0yd: i think you're right; the usb indicator LED on the router doesn't turn on; probably incompatible
[22:12] <djbengan_> But, its listed on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-275.09.07-driver.html
[22:12] <djbengan_> ...
[22:13] <n0yd> phillyj, ya I had the same problem, and im actually running a pretty decent router, and custom firmwaew
[22:13] <bekks> djbengan_: MAybe it wasnt, earlier.
[22:13] <n0yd> So I ended up just using the wifi on it
[22:13] <OliverJAsh> cheers zykotick9
[22:14] <n0yd> phillyj, network capable printers are much easier to work with, cause you dont rely on the router on anything besides giving the printer an IP
[22:14] <phillyj> n0yd: this sucks; so there's not much unless I get a newer printer
[22:14] <n0yd> which it gives IP's to anything connected to it via wifi or cat5/6
[22:14] <djbengan_> givin it a try
[22:14] <n0yd> phillyj, well, you could plug it in to the computer itself
[22:15] <phillyj> n0yd: that's how it was; I wanted to share with my laptops
[22:15] <n0yd> Does your router actually support being a printserver?
[22:16] <phillyj> n0yd: well, it is one of the options; can also add a storage drive
[22:17] <n0yd> and you are saying their is an specific light for usb on the router?
[22:17] <djbengan_> tyvm bekks
[22:17] <phillyj> n0yd: but I think it might be easier to setup via their windows software; not sure how to thru ubuntu
[22:17] <phillyj> n0yd: yes, the usb drive lit up when i plugged it in
[22:18] <n0yd> if you plug it in, and go into the routers config via your web browser, does it show up there?
[22:18] <n0yd> you are sayijng lit up, but, lit up where? On the router, or on the drive?
[22:18] <phillyj> n0yd: I don't see anything of that sort; oh, lit on the router
[22:18] <n0yd> You know how to access your routers config right?
[22:18] <phillyj> n0yd: not sure what to look for on the router config
[22:18] <phillyj> yes
[22:19] <n0yd> I would look in the printer server section
[22:19] <n0yd> what router is it?
[22:19] <phillyj> yea...no option like that; is weird
[22:19] <phillyj> belkil n300
[22:19] <phillyj> F7D7301
[22:19] <n0yd> What router is this?  And when its plugged into the rouiter, does it work on the windows ones?
[22:19] <meLon> Any ideas on how to 'throttle' hdds?  I've got a PV on an external HDD, and if I read too quickly it 'crashes'.  Nothing is wrong other than the OS thinks that the HDD is capable of handling more than it can.
[22:20] <phillyj> havent tried window, n0yd
[22:20] <n0yd> ok
[22:20] <Zzyzx> Need help with adding a USB printer to Ubuntu. It's not detected using System Settings > Hardware > Printers
[22:20] <n0yd> If it ultimately doesnt work via the router, you could always share it out via another computer. Be it windows or Linux. Both are capable
[22:22] <phillyj> n0yd: you mean printer > pc > router?
[22:22] <n0yd> Yup
[22:22] <n0yd> Of course the computer acting as the print server has to be plugged in to print
[22:22] <n0yd> err, turned on
[22:22] <phillyj> kk
[22:23] <n0yd> I just read the manual for your router model, it says you have to use some stupid software on each computer in order for it ro work
[22:23] <n0yd> Which is quite stupid, but I believe it
[22:23] <n0yd> But in the config sectiuon of the router, is there something like USB Print and Storage Manager?  Or a similar section
[22:24] <Neozonz> anyone here use proxmox? im trying to implement a ufw firewall on my guest os but it's not working...
[22:24] <n0yd> phillyj, in case you dont have the manual, http://www.belkin.com/networking/manual/MAN_F7D7301_8820-00699_ShareMaxN300.pdf
[22:25] <Lightz> hi. is apparmor only used for applications or can i also use it to set more detailed read, write and execute rules for regular directories and text files? thanks
[22:26] <phillyj> n0yd: no such thing on the config page unless they put it under something I don't understand
[22:26] <mohsen_> hi
[22:27] <phillyj> n0yd: waitaminute; i see something in the log
[22:28] <phillyj> n0yd: does this mean anything "Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read!"
[22:28] <n0yd> It means that is why it isnt working
[22:29] <n0yd> Or part of why
[22:30] <n0yd> phillyj, it sounds like a really common error though on those routers
[22:30] <n0yd> so it might not be why
[22:30] <n0yd> but it appears its a common issue with people trying to print on those routers
[22:31] <n0yd> the router uses samba to share, and it need printcap
[22:31] <n0yd> if you knew how to ssh into the router, I could show you how to remove that error
[22:32] <n0yd> but i dont think its a critical error, from what I see
[22:33] <sianhulo> is there a tool  to manage the internet connection of various devices?ile setting speed caps and the such?
[22:33] <Anxi80> Is it better to install java jdk in /etc or /usr/local ?
[22:33] <n0yd> sianhulo, thats generally done on the router
[22:33] <n0yd> using QoS
[22:34] <zykotick9> Anxi80: i'd say /opt is most unix-like location.   don't install anything in /etc!
[22:35] <Anxi80> zykotick9, thanks for the advice but why /opt over /usr/local ?
[22:35] <sianhulo> n0yd, thanks
[22:36] <zykotick9> Anxi80: you can use /usr/local is you want, but i like to leave all of /usr for the system (i'm very conservative with my boxes)
[22:36] <w30> Anxi80, I liked /usr/local when I used Slackware but you have to do a lot of env settings when you do /usr/local stuff
[22:37] <Anxi80> zykotick9, thanks
[22:37] <Anxi80> w30, I am setting up update-alternatives for /usr/bin/java
[22:38] <Anxi80> w30, that's about it
[22:38] <w30> Anxi80, like set the env=<whatever>
[22:38] <Afteraffekt> Hey all, I am trying to boot a live copy of Ubuntu 12.04 from my USB drive and I get this error over and over with I press F3 during the boot screen "udevd[130] : timeout: killing '/sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sdc' [457]"
[22:38] <DankenseN> CRC failed trying to unrar a file ... can someone help me ?
[22:39] <Anxi80> w30, thanks
[22:39] <n0yd> DankenseN, sounds like a bad download
[22:39] <n0yd> It doesnt just give the error for no reason
[22:39] <n0yd> If you can find the MD5 or SHA sum for the file, check it
[22:40] <w30> Anxi80, you should get env errors if something can't find java in /usr/local; if so set it.
[22:41] <w30> Anxi80, I think everything not distro installed should be in /usr/local but what do I know
[22:44] <Anxi80> w30, that is what i read and is why i'm asking
[22:44] <Anxi80> w30, /usr/local seemed like a good place according to reading the output of hier in cli
[22:46] <DankenseN> thx n0yd
[22:46] <Afteraffekt> Any ideas guys?
[22:51] <brainwash> Afteraffekt: remove /dev/sdc and try again
[22:52] <Afteraffekt> brainwash, remove how?
[22:52] <brainwash> unplug the device which is causing the timeout
[22:53] <phillyj> n0yd: do you think that having ddwrt on the router would make it easier to add that printer?
[22:53] <Afteraffekt> i thought i did, but when i did that now it says /dev/sda
[22:53] <brainwash> so it was the wrong one
[22:53] <Afteraffekt> brainwash, the only other one is the usb drive i am booting from
[22:55] <Afteraffekt> now its killing sda1
[22:57] <brainwash> so only the usb drive with the ubuntu image is attached?
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> Afteraffekt, In the first gui the lice session shows is a check for the medium.
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> live*
[22:59] <Afteraffekt> meaning/
[22:59] <Afteraffekt> ?
[22:59] <wilee-nilee> Afteraffekt, check the iso on the usb with it.
[23:00] <Afteraffekt> seems Yumi has taken those options from me
[23:00] <Afteraffekt> i can hit tab and change boot options, thats it
[23:01] <n0yd> phillyj, honestly, no.  I use custom firmware, I still couldnt get mine to work.  But if you wanna try, go ahead
[23:01] <n0yd> i actually prefer something based on tomatousb
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> !md5sum | Afteraffekt
[23:02] <Afteraffekt> n0yd, that directed to me/
[23:02] <Afteraffekt> ?
[23:02] <phillyj> n0yd: alright, so it's more of a hardware incompatibilty; guess i'll put this on hold
[23:02] <n0yd> Afteraffekt, no
[23:02] <n0yd> phillyj, like I said u caalways share it out with windows or linux
[23:03] <Afteraffekt> wilee-nilee, if this is all you guys can think of then its probably a bad rip (I first pulled the iso off a disk, then put it to disk drive with yumi
[23:03] <n0yd> phillyj, looks like only dd-wrt micro ll run on your router. Cause you onyl have 2MB of flash compared to pother routers 32MB or more.
[23:03] <wilee-nilee> Afteraffekt, Where would you start with a iso that does not load,?
[23:03] <n0yd> I dont think dd-wrt micro even has USB support built in
[23:04] <Afteraffekt> wilee-nilee, i assume you meant why, and why is because i had no way to test. this laptop im trying to fix has no disk drive
[23:06] <withn352> anyone got any experience with setting up printers in linux via bonjour?
[23:06] <phillyj> n0yd: hmm, i read otherwise when i was flashing a few months ago; well, wasted my time today
[23:07] <Quix86> Is there software like "PHC" that can be used for undervolting a pentium M cpu that is supported on 13.04?
[23:07] <phillyj> n0yd: thx for al the help
[23:07] <Quix86> I asked this before and was suggested TLP, but this requires PHC to undervolt the processor
[23:07] <daftykins> Quix86: doesn't it support speedstep to scale automatically?
[23:07] <n0yd> phillyj, no problem. if dd-wrt micro does support usb out of the box, I doubt it does printing (ie no cups or samba_
[23:07] <Quix86> daftykins, yes, but only at the default voltage range
[23:08] <Quix86> I want to use voltages below the default range
[23:08] <n0yd> Because its micro, your router doesnt have enough flash memory to run the full dd-wrt versons
[23:09] <n0yd> Quix86, phc will work on ubuntu, you just need a PHC capable kernel
[23:09] <n0yd> The stock kernel doesnt support undervoling afaik
[23:09] <Quix86> n0yd, I'm looking at the PPA page and it says that the latest supported version of the distro is 12.04
[23:10] <Quix86> this ppa includes the kernel patch, if I'm not mistaken
[23:10] <n0yd> the version suported in the ppa doesnt matter
[23:10] <n0yd> its just a kernel
[23:10] <n0yd> https://launchpad.net/~linux-phc/+archive/ppa
[23:10] <n0yd> But youy are right, its an old kernel
[23:10] <Quix86> yes 13.04 is on 3.5 or so
[23:10] <Quix86> latest is 3.2
[23:11] <n0yd> right, .04 is on 3.8
[23:11] <Quix86> is it? I thought mine was on 3.5
[23:11] <Quix86> oh wait
[23:11] <Quix86> I'm thinking of 12.10
[23:11] <n0yd> but a 3.2 kernel shouldnt hurt. But really the best way would to be compile your own kernel with the patches built in
[23:12] <Quix86> which I thought is what the PPA would do, or at least it would do it the easy way
[23:12] <n0yd> thats installing a pre-built kernel
[23:13] <n0yd> compiling one yourself would get you the latest kernel
[23:13] <Quix86> so what kind of trouble do I have to go through to patch this myself
[23:13] <Ari-Yang> you're installing a kernel from a ppa?
[23:13] <Quix86> would be if it was up to date
[23:13] <Quix86> which it's not
[23:13] <Ari-Yang> Quix86, I think it might actually better to build it yourself
[23:14] <Quix86> which is the conclusion we've come to
[23:14] <Ari-Yang> https://www.kernel.org/
[23:14] <Ari-Yang> what ubuntu version are you on? j/w (just wondering)
[23:14] <Quix86> that said I'll have to do a fresh install when my CF adapter comes in anyway and it'd make more sense to install 12.04 on that and do it the easy way but alas, it's not in yet
[23:14] <Quix86> 13.04
[23:15] <Ari-Yang> Quix86, so you want to install kernel 3.9 on 13.04?
[23:15] <n0yd> Quix86, compiling the kernel is really easy
[23:15] <n0yd> Ari-Yang, he doesnt care about the version really
[23:15] <Quix86> Ari-Yang, I think it's on 3.8... I'm not sure. And yes, I don't care about the version
[23:15] <n0yd> He just wants a kernel with ther PHC patch
[23:15] <Ari-Yang> ah
[23:15] <n0yd> Quix86, 3.9 wporks fine on 13.04
[23:16] <n0yd> But 3.8 is whats stock
[23:16] <n0yd> But like I said, a 3.2 _should_ work also
[23:16] <Quix86> I think I did 3.6 on 12.10 once and it just broke things
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> tbh I'm tempted to compile kernel 3.9 on my laptop (this has ubuntu 12.10 installed)
[23:16] <OliverJAsh> if i'm going to install a shell script or binary and i want it in my $PATH, where would you recommend storing it? there are many binsŌĆ”
[23:16] <Quix86> lets assume 3.8
[23:16] <Quix86> since that's what's on it
[23:16] <n0yd> Quix86, you can use ubuntus config for the kernel so you dont have to configure by hand if you dont know how, then just download the patch and patch it
[23:17] <OliverJAsh> ~/bin perhaps?
[23:17] <n0yd> Quix86, any custom kernel will "break things" if you dont know what you are doing
[23:17] <Quix86> I never know what I'm doing
[23:17] <Ari-Yang> XD
[23:17] <n0yd> You will have to install the linux-firmware and linux-firmware-nonfree packages
[23:17] <Quix86> 3.6 worked for the most part but my hotswap drive wouldn't work
[23:18] <rypervenche> Quix86: That's why it's best to use your current .config and then make the changes you need.
[23:18] <n0yd> And posibly have to install the nvidia or radeon drivers from their site
[23:18] <Quix86> I'm on intel master race graphics
[23:18] <n0yd> As you might have to compile the drivers against the custom kernel
[23:18] <juniour> hi ubuntu geeks :)
[23:18] <Quix86> hi 88
[23:18] <n0yd> Ok, well intel video isnt an issue. Yiou will still want those firmware packages though
[23:18] <n0yd> For things like intel wifi and such
[23:19] <n0yd> It really isnt very hard
[23:19] <juniour> hi i have a usb that is procted with windows bitlocker, i have password , but when i inset i won't get any prompt to enter password plz help
[23:19] <n0yd> chunkymonkey, please dont IRC as root...
[23:19] <chunkymonkey> chroot
[23:19] <chunkymonkey> im on a chromebook
[23:19] <n0yd> k
[23:20] <n0yd> you didnt create another user?
[23:20] <chunkymonkey> actually why im here
[23:20] <n0yd> adduser
[23:20] <n0yd> from the shell
[23:20] <Quix86> hmmmm
[23:20] <chunkymonkey> Anyone have experience with chromebooks running ubuntu?
[23:21] <Quix86> where is the patch I need exactly? I've found something that just says "kernel 2.6.33 and up"
[23:21] <juniour> chunkymonkey chromebook s...ks
[23:21] <n0yd> chunkymonkey, are you trying to install ubuntu? there are guides for running it on the chromebvook all over. It even uses the chromebooks kernel
[23:21] <juniour> hi i have a usb that is procted with windows bitlocker, i have password , but when i inset i won't get any prompt to enter password plz help
[23:22] <n0yd> Quix86, http://www.linux-phc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2
[23:22] <n0yd> everything is on their forums
[23:22] <n0yd> howtos, etc
[23:22] <Quix86> that's the same page I was on
[23:22] <n0yd> juniour, im pretty sure bitlocker does not work on linux
[23:22] <n0yd> Quix86, the download is right there
[23:22] <Quix86> and I asked 'it said 2.6.33 and up'
[23:22] <n0yd> It says attachment, under 0.4.4
[23:22] <Quix86> that's a bit older than 3.8
[23:23] <n0yd> Quix86, right that means you need a 2.6.33 kernel or up
[23:23] <n0yd> whats the problem?
[23:23] <juniour> n0dy how can i read my data
[23:23] <n0yd> Its just a requiurement, like Windows 98 and up
[23:23] <juniour> ??
[23:23] <Quix86> I'm from the windows world, compatibility isn't always how it sounds
[23:23] <juniour> i think its a big loop hole of linux
[23:23] <Quix86> 98 and up usually means 'if you are running 7x64 then have fun'
[23:23] <n0yd> juniour, use windows. Or stop using propietary exncryption
[23:24] <Quix86> maybe he can run the bitlocker program in wine?
[23:24] <n0yd> juniour, next tijme encrypot your data using a method that isnt propietaru
[23:24] <n0yd> Its not Linux's fault that it cant read a closer sourced encryption mechanism made by MS
[23:24] <n0yd> Mac can't either. Or any other OS
[23:24] <n0yd> Next time use truecrypt
[23:24] <rypervenche> LUKS <3
[23:24] <n0yd> Its cross platform
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> juniour, try using WINE or a VM (virtual machine)
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> !wine
[23:25] <Quix86> The guide says I may need a cup of coffee to install linux-phc. I don't have any coffee. :(
[23:25] <Quix86> how did that get unblocked
[23:25] <n0yd> Ari-Yang, wine is not gonna do anything with bitlocker
[23:25] <n0yd> Though a VM would work for reading bitlocker
[23:26] <n0yd> You need the full OS, not just a simple program in wine
[23:26] <Quix86> yeah a VM is a bit of a chunky way to go about it but it should work
[23:26] <n0yd> I would just stop using bitlocker :P
[23:26] <n0yd> And use truecrypt or luks
[23:26] <n0yd> LKUKS is more for whole drive encryption though, and doesnt work on other platforms
[23:26] <jakemp> when I am in a directory, pre-13.04 It would go to that file in the directory. Now it does a more complex search, which is really slow. How do I disable this?
[23:26] <jakemp> in the graphical file manager
[23:27] <n0yd> im not sure what you mean
[23:27] <juniour> n0yd truecrypt is not good
[23:27] <n0yd> juniour, lol
[23:27] <n0yd> whys that?
[23:28] <Iceman_B> is there any reason, other than physical hdd failure why filesystem might get set to read-only mode when running?
[23:28] <juniour> n0yd it create virtual disk, and any one can delete that and ,all data gone lol
[23:28] <n0yd> .....
[23:29] <n0yd> juniour, http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-volume-protection
[23:29] <n0yd> not very hard to protect
[23:29] <jakemp> like, I click files, and a window opens with /home/jakemp displayed. It used to be that if I started typing myCodeDirectory, it would select the directory as soon as it was unique, and I could hit enter. Now it stops and searches my whole home directory or hard drive.
[23:29] <n0yd> And its a far superior option to bitlocker
[23:29] <n0yd> Which is propietary crap imho
[23:30] <n0yd> jakemp, I dont use Unity, so I dont know. But it sounds like one of the "lens" for unity, or whatever they call that
[23:30] <n0yd> Hopefully someone else will chime in
[23:30] <juniour> n0yd heee lol i think it can be deleted using live os or something
[23:30] <jakemp> It doesn't open the lense menu. It's entirely in the application
[23:30] <n0yd> juniour, it cant if you just follow the directions
[23:31] <jakemp> is there a way to open a file when I don't know the name of the application that opens it?
[23:31] <jakemp> like a pdf, when I don't know the name of my pdf reader
[23:31] <rypervenche> juniour: Anyone can erase the partition scheme on it and thus delete the data as well.
[23:31] <n0yd> jakemp, ok, so if you open nautlius, and in the location bar, you type /home/jakemp, it oesnt go there?
[23:31] <zykotick9> jakemp: try "xdg-open foo"
[23:32] <juniour> then wt is the best way to protect data
[23:32] <n0yd> you are saying what you type in the location bar in nautilus, its searching for? rather than just navigating to?
[23:32] <juniour> ?
[23:32] <mdh> I'm running samba in share mode, how could I set which user samba is using to read and write files on the share?
[23:32] <jakemp> n0yd, I do, but if I just start typing after set focus to the main document window, it starts what used to be a search, instead of the old autocomplete/select
[23:33] <rypervenche> juniour: I would personally say LUKS or Truecrypt.
[23:33] <n0yd> juniour, if someone has physicval access the drive, there is always a way delete it.  Encryption just stops people from accessing the data, i doesnt stop from people from deleting it
[23:33] <rypervenche> juniour: You should always have backups.
[23:33] <n0yd> You gotta realize that deleting isnt the same accessing it.  I can delete your encrypted data, but I cant read it
[23:34] <betrayd> howdy
[23:34] <juniour> humm nice answer :)
[23:34] <n0yd> jakemp, so again, use truecrypt, and folow the instructions for protecting your hidden volume
[23:34] <juniour> thats wt cloud come in handy :)
[23:35] <n0yd> woops
[23:35] <n0yd> i meant juniour
[23:35] <n0yd> juniour, also, if you enable thwe hidden volume protection, it makes it so only you can access the outter volume
[23:36] <n0yd> Its all quite clear in the link I pasted
[23:36] <n0yd> Important: You are the only person who can mount your outer volume with the hidden volume protection enabled (since nobody else knows your hidden volume password). When an adversary asks you to mount an outer volume, you of course must not mount it with the hidden volume protection enabled. You must mount it as a normal volume (and then TrueCrypt will not show the volume type "Outer" but "Normal"). The reason is that, during the time when an outer volume is
[23:36] <n0yd>  mounted with the hidden volume protection enabled, the adversary can find out that a hidden volume exists within the outer volume (he/she will be able to find it out until the volume is dismounted and possibly even some time after the computer has been powered off - see Unencrypted Data in RAM).
[23:36] <cand> alguem fala portug├¬s aqui ?
[23:37] <n0yd> cand, #ubuntu-pt
[23:39] <betrayd> !br | cand
[23:39] <juniour> n0dy ram takes some time to fade data, from there it can be retrived :)
[23:39] <meLon> How can I prevent USB drives from sleeping and have it persistent across boots?
[23:39] <n0yd> juniour, apparently you still arent reading that correctly
[23:39] <n0yd> but whatever
[23:39] <juniour> n0dy thanks nice explanation for truecrypt
[23:40] <juniour> i am going for it
[23:40] <juniour> in more deep
[23:40] <n0yd> The fact is, ANYTHING can be deleted pretty much with physical access
[23:41] <n0yd> But using  that protection outlined in that article, if you mount it witthe hidden volume protection disabled, it wont show the hidden volume, or even name the outter volume as "outtr"
[23:42] <uw> meLon, UUIDs
[23:43] <meLon> I'm familiar with partitions/disks having UUIDs.  What about them in particular?
[23:43] <meLon> The drive is mounted, but becomes idle
[23:44] <erica_> I've installed 12.10 today on my inspiron 15 (1545) laptop, it seems a bit slow, when I check syslog I can see that mtp-probe is continually trying and failing to mount /dev/sdb which I think is a card reader that I do not care about, I cannot disable mtp-probe, can anyone tell me how?
[23:44] <qin> meLon: while [ 1 ]; do touch /media/usbdrive/nosleep; sleep 10; done
[23:45] <Iceman_B> does running fsck.ext4 with the -c option save the bad blocks data to the hdd itself?
[23:45] <Iceman_B> if not ,where does it store that info?
[23:45] <brotherBox> Hi people. Does anyone know how to get logkeys, the keylogger, running under Ubuntu 13.04? It is for a legit purpose of recording myself entering passwords. My output log is always empty and I couldnt fidn anything about it online
[23:46] <betrayd> Iceman_B type 'man fsck' in a terminal for an explanation of parameters
[23:46] <Iceman_B> betrayd: yeah I did that already
[23:46] <betrayd> but AFAIK, bad blocks, they're gone
[23:46] <meLon> Thanks, qin They are actually PV's though :\
[23:47] <brotherBox> Please dont mistake me for a stupid kid or anything, I am struggling with getting an encrypted backup restored. I have it on another machine over ssh and can only enter one password at a time. I must have made a mistake while entering it
[23:48] <Siecje> why do I have .txt~ files?
[23:48] <brotherBox> So I apply one of the techiques explained here https://live.gnome.org/DejaDup/Help/Restore/WorstCase to get one of the archives onto my computer and decrypted etc
[23:48] <brotherBox> Siecje, backup
[23:48] <zykotick9> Siecje: backup file from vi?
[23:48] <brotherBox> But when I have entered my password, I dont know what "mistake" I made that got it right. Any help how to record my keystrokes?
[23:48] <Siecje> I use gedit
[23:48] <brotherBox> That does it too
[23:49] <qin> Siecje: backup from gedit
[23:49] <Siecje> but they are tiny?
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> I think you can prevent the backing up
[23:51] <jpmh> when I look at "connection information" it tells me my primary, secondary and tertiary DNS is 127.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 4.2.2.2 - how do I see this info at the command line
[23:51] <jpmh> resolv.conf is NOT the answer, it just shows the primary
[23:52] <juniour> hi
[23:52] <betrayd> well resolv.conf isnt really a command
[23:52] <rypervenche> jpmh: But that is the answer. You may be using a different network manager that uses some other file, I don't know what your setup is though.
[23:53] <whizndr-> hey everyone...i installed ubuntu along my windows 8 that came preloaded...grub couldnt load Win8 so i ran boot repair then it works...but when i tried to reboot back to ubuntu it see,s like Win8 wiped out grub...any ideas why?
[23:53] <betrayd> Win8 doesn't know about linux, jack about grub
[23:54] <whizndr-> i get that...but i didnt do anything to make it overwrite the bootloader
[23:54] <n0yd> whizndr-, are you using UEFI?
[23:55] <whizndr-> n0yd: i think so...it is a brand new sony vaio
[23:55] <n0yd> ya thats probably the issue
[23:55] <dr_willis> so the system booted normally into linux, untill you booted into windows8 then windows 8 aparently automatically removed grub?
[23:55] <n0yd> when you are booting windows its rewriting the bootloader, because of the secure boot or something
[23:55] <whizndr-> yes dr_willis...
[23:56] <n0yd> I know uefi does weird stuff when windows is installed to a secure uefi
[23:56] <dr_willis> might want to ask in #windows how to disable that
[23:56] <whizndr-> n0yd, is there a fix? :/
[23:56] <jpmh> rypervenche: the problem with resolv.conf is that it is showing only the first, somehow the nm-applet knows of the seond and third, how does it do it?
[23:56] <n0yd> Can you go into the BIOS and set it to legacy mode?
[23:56] <whizndr-> secure boot is disabled...
[23:56] <n0yd> Ok, but was windows installed before the secure boot was disabled?
[23:56] <dr_willis> could be some anti-virus app on windows
[23:57] <n0yd> Ive seen all sorts of quirks with UEFI and the weird things windows will do
[23:57] <n0yd> And this was one of em
[23:58] <whizndr-> dang it lol
[23:58] <n0yd> You are probably gonna have to reinstall windows with the secure boot disabled, also dont install windows by usb
[23:58] <whizndr-> what advantage would uefi give me?
[23:58] <n0yd> When you install windows 8 by usb on UEFI it automatically makes it act weird
[23:59] <n0yd> I forget the exact issue, but you should install via dvd
[23:59] <n0yd> whizndr-, not much, obviously the secure bootloader crap.... oh and being "windows 8 certified"
[23:59] <whizndr-> lol
[23:59] <n0yd> All windows 8 certfied pcs come with uefi unfortunately
[23:59] <whizndr-> i have to backup my music then lol