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shadeslayeryeah00:02
shadeslayertoo bad :/00:02
ahoneybun__I need to see crimson horror before I can watch the rest00:14
ahoneybun__valorie: did you get to it yet ?00:14
Darkwingsup guys00:34
shadeslayerso much dust00:36
ahoneybunDarkwing: hello00:58
ahoneybunhey valorie01:08
ahoneybundoes anyone hear me>01:13
skellatahoneybun: Howdy01:25
ahoneybunskellat: hello01:25
ahoneybunseems they are busy then01:27
skellatSounds like it01:29
skellat/s/Sounds/Seems/01:29
skellatBah01:30
ahoneybunhey bkerensa01:46
bkerensahm01:46
seeleahoneybun: were you available for an interview?01:50
ahoneybunseele: sure01:51
seeleawesome01:51
valorieI just watched Crimson Horror the other night, yeah01:51
valorieI'm trying to stretch 'em out, since it's so long until the new season starts!01:52
ahoneybunvalorie: I can't find a source to get that ep01:52
valoriewhich one? Crimson Horror?01:53
valorieI watch them on BBC America01:53
ahoneybunyea I don't have access to that01:53
valorieI'm sure all of them are torrented though01:53
valorieotherwise how does apachelogger get them so quickly?01:54
ahoneybunI did not find it on my choice of torrent site01:54
valorieeh, I just usually google 'torrent whatever' and look at the matches01:55
ahoneybunI try to stick to a site01:55
ahoneybunthat I know 01:55
valoriemost of what I want is out of print but not out of copyright books for my kindle01:56
ahoneybunvalorie: did you get to look at the page?01:56
valorienope, was fixing/eating dinner01:56
ahoneybunoh ok01:56
ahoneybunso we have a few more people working on it02:08
ahoneybunDarkwing: ping02:18
ahoneybunvalorie: you busy?02:18
valorienope, back02:30
ahoneybunwhat happened to darkwing02:35
ahoneybunvalorie: were you on when darkwing was?02:45
valorieI have a bnc, so I always see backlog02:46
ahoneybunoh02:47
ahoneybunI want to know how we are going to present the Docs02:54
valoriedo you think we are mostly done with the content?02:55
valorieIMO that comes first02:55
ahoneybunare the pages in current state what we want02:55
valoriegetting there02:56
ahoneybunlike the number of pages02:56
valoriemight be time to write to the devel list and ask for read-through and suggestions for more content02:57
valorieniggle question: isn't Jockey called KDE-Jockey now?02:57
ScottKWe need to switch to ubuntu-drivers this cycle anyway.02:58
ScottKWe're the only user of Jockey left and it's not maintained anymore.02:58
valorieapt-cache search doesn't find even *jockey*!02:59
ahoneybunif you use krunner you can find it installed02:59
ScottKapt-cache show jockey-kde02:59
valorieoops, I shouldn't have used *02:59
valorieso for saucy there will be no more jockey?03:00
ScottKDepends on if we get the work done or not.03:00
valorieok03:00
ScottKRegardless of if it's called Ubuntu Drivers or Jockey, I don't think it'll be a big difference to the users.03:01
valorieis it part of the devel todo?03:01
ScottKI don't recall.  It's on my list.03:01
valoriegotcha03:01
ScottKThat list isn't going very well so far.03:01
ahoneybunScottK: anything I can help with?03:01
ScottKI got more than slightly distracted by Debian releasing than then doko almost immediately starting two uncoordinated python transitions and since I'm his co-maintainer I feel some obligation to clean up.03:02
ScottKahoneybun: Make the docs rock.03:02
ScottKI mostly need some free time when pitti is available to discuss details with him of what needs doing.03:03
ahoneybunScottK: will do!03:03
* valorie is editing /Basic atm03:03
ahoneybunso it does not matter what jockey is called?03:03
ahoneybunvalorie: nice03:04
ScottKDespite Monday being a holiday, I'm stuck 50+ hours on site with a customer this week.03:04
ScottKahoneybun: Not much.  Part of the plan is to reuse the current jockey-kde front end with the new Ubuntu Drivers back end, so it'll look and ~work the same (just fewer bugs).03:04
ScottKWe'll probably rename it, but changing the name is one search/replace.03:05
ahoneybunScottK: it's always better with fewer bugs03:05
ScottKYes.03:05
ahoneybunvalorie: I think we would need more then 3 pages, if we don't expand the subpages of /Basic out at least03:06
valorieas you know, I prefer more and smaller pages03:09
ahoneybunyea span them out03:09
ahoneybunright?03:13
valorieI'm not sure what you mean by span them out?03:17
ahoneybunwell the basic page has like 2 or 3 subpages03:17
ahoneybunI wish to move those subpages to a Advanced page or remove the commandline and repositories03:24
valoriethat sounds ok to me, however I think you and darkwing should arm-wrestle over that03:29
ahoneybunlol03:29
valorieI've finished editing the basic page for now03:29
valorietightened it up a bit03:29
valorieand hopefully fixed the grammar problems03:29
ahoneybunI don't see you in the revision history03:30
valorieI'm beginning to think that high schools have dropped teaching about comma splice sentences03:30
ahoneybunoh03:30
valoriewell, the effing thing saved03:30
valorieso03:30
ahoneybunI see that you edited03:31
valorieok03:31
valoriegood03:31
ahoneybundid you add that (Muon) part03:31
valorieyes03:31
ahoneybunok so I see your changes03:32
valorieawesome03:32
ahoneybunfor sure03:32
valoriethat page is extremely long03:32
valoriethe problem I see is that it's easy to get a morass of sub-pages too03:32
ahoneybunI know thats why I said to expand it to more then one page03:32
ahoneybunyea03:33
valorieanyway, the key thing is to get the content written03:33
valoriethen it can be massaged into shape/presentation03:33
ahoneybunyea03:33
valorienow, turning on the news03:33
valorieLater I'll look at the contributing part03:34
valorieok?03:34
valoriefor now my fingers are tired03:34
ahoneybunok so I need more pages to add content, I sent that message to list03:34
valoriecool03:34
ahoneybunvalorie: sure can you add more content to that page or are you fixing the content there03:34
valoriedo you think we should mention Calligra?03:34
valorieright now not editing anything03:35
valoriebecause so far we're leaving out art applications03:35
ahoneybunvalorie: yea sure03:35
ahoneybunyea03:35
valorieI mean, by default we are anyway, but Krita is awesome03:35
ahoneybunwell calligra is not installed by default03:36
valorieI have to say I use office stuff so infrequently I haven't tried out calligra yet03:36
valoriebut I do have krita installed, since I got a drawing tablet for xmas03:36
valoriea bamboo03:36
ahoneybunit's still nice but libreoffice has awesome features03:36
valorieI'm not advocating changing the default03:37
ahoneybunare we going to read about programs not installed by default03:37
valoriejust mentioning/linking to it03:37
ahoneybuno ok03:37
valoriesince it is the KDE default03:37
valorieseriously, that's why I wanted Konvi in there, not because I <3 it03:38
ahoneybunI added GIMP, Krita, and Calligra in the todo03:40
ahoneybunwell on the trello03:40
ahoneybunlater if you can add what you think it needs to the trello03:42
valoriemaybe we should have a page for graphics software03:44
ahoneybunor a page for additional software to put gimp, calligra, krita and a few others 03:44
valoriegimp, krita, and others03:45
valorieyeah03:45
valoriecalligra is office, not art -- but krita is part of it03:45
ahoneybunbut it should be a additional software03:45
valorieright03:45
ahoneybun"additional software" not "graphics software"03:45
valoriethe only reason i raise the question is that calligra is KDE standard03:45
ahoneybunyea Qt toolkit03:45
ahoneybunbut konvi is non-default03:46
valoriecould have a page for development software, with KCreator (?) and QtCreator or whatever they are called03:46
valoriekonvi IS the KDE default03:47
ahoneybunQtCreator, and KDevelop03:47
valorieQuassel is not KDE software03:47
ahoneybunnot Kubuntu default03:47
valorieit's Qt03:47
valorienot KDE03:47
valorieSput is a cool guy, but not totally KDE03:47
valorieI understand, but we vary from KDE by offering Quassel by default03:48
valoriefine, I disagree with that, but majority rules03:48
valoriethat doesn't mean it is KDE default03:48
ahoneybunI know03:48
valorieok03:48
valorieanyway: news now03:48
ahoneybunok we'll talk later with the mailing list since the timezone03:49
ahoneybunhey valorie03:57
ScottKvalorie: What's the KDE SC IRC client?04:04
ahoneybunvalorie: I'm using konversation04:07
Noskcaj_schoolScottK: ping04:17
ScottKPong.04:18
Noskcaj_schoolcanyou add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre04:18
ScottKahoneybun: It's fine.  Konversation is a good IRC client and it's at least a KDE project.04:18
ScottKNoskcaj_school: I'll be honest and confess the chances of me having time for that and remembering to do at at one of the times when I can are roughly nil.04:19
Noskcaj_schoolok04:19
ScottKI have to get up in 4 1/2 hours and I'm trying to get an upstream release of a project done to fix a serious bug and then two Debian uploads before I sleep.04:20
ScottKI don't mind if someone else does it.04:20
Noskcaj_schooli'll add you to it, at least how much i know about you04:21
ScottKw.u.c/ScottKitterman exists.04:21
Noskcaj_schoolforgot about that04:22
valorieScottK: fair enough04:23
Noskcaj_schoolwhat timezone are you ScottK?04:23
ScottKvalorie: If we were starting from scratch now, I think we should pick Konversation, but having had Quassel as a default for some time, I think we need a strong reason to change.04:24
ScottKNoskcaj_school: -0400.04:24
Noskcaj_schoolok, ty04:24
valorieScottK: I agree, which is why I'm not asking for a change04:25
valorieI just think that we should mention KDE alternatives when we have non-KDE software offered as the default04:26
valoriein our docs04:26
ScottKI think that's reasonable.04:26
ScottKThat also exposes people to the idea of installing additional packages and that they have choices.04:26
valorieright04:26
jessieDoes QT 5 not actually exist in 13.04?04:41
valoriejessie: as I understand it, Qt5 is just starting to be linked against in most KDE software04:44
valorieit's brand new04:44
jessie:-/ https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper This page lies then.04:44
jessieUnless I'm terribly mistaken on my time, in which case 13.04 isn't *actually* out yet. :-P04:44
valorieok, but that's edgers, and for touch04:44
valorienot desktop04:45
valorieso that's devel stuff, not user stuff04:45
ScottKjessie: A lot of Qt5 is in 13.04.04:45
ScottKKDE doesn't use it yet, however.04:45
jessieScottK: How can I install dev headers and what not?04:45
jessieSome software I am trying to use requires QT 504:45
ScottKMirv: ^^^04:46
ScottKHe'll know.04:46
jessieOkay, well I might be going to bed soon. I've spent too much time on it tonight as is.04:47
jessieActually, I think the edgers stuff and settings QT_LIBRARY=qt5 or whatever worked.04:49
jessieQT_SELECT=qt5 did it. :-304:50
Mirvjessie: good :) either that or installing qt5-default, or using -qt=qt5 when calling Qt executables04:54
jessieAwesome. But now I have other issues. :-/ Stupid code.04:55
apacheloggervalorie: access to a uk based server one needs07:51
valorieoh, for what, sir?07:51
valorieah, for the doctor07:51
shadeslayerI don't think all the episodes are kept online07:52
shadeslayerI think they're removed after a certain time period07:53
shadeslayerfor eg. I couldn't find S7 Part 1 episodes07:53
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^ Any ideas?07:53
valorienetflix07:55
shadeslayerah netflix07:56
shadeslayeragain, I have access to that, but can't play on Linux07:56
shadeslayerwhich is just shitty :/07:57
shadeslayermaybe time to have a Windows VM just for Netflix07:57
jussishadeslayer: you have a android tablet though... ?07:59
shadeslayerCan't install the app because I get the Indian Play Store08:00
shadeslayer:P08:00
valorieah, we use the blu-ray player for netflix08:01
valorieand my husband uses windows08:01
valorieI don't want to watch any movies or whatever on my laptop08:01
valorieI hate that08:01
Riddellapachelogger: what what?08:01
jussishadeslayer: bollocks08:02
shadeslayerindeed08:02
shadeslayeryou'd think the idea was to get as many users to watch the show08:03
Riddellmm, 1044 e-mails to read today08:03
Riddelleasy peasy08:03
valoriecontrol-A08:05
valoriemark read08:05
valoriedone!08:05
shadeslayer^^08:06
Riddellapachelogger: I can get URLs for anything you want08:06
shadeslayerRiddell: Does BBC store older episodes of Dr. Who ?08:06
* shadeslayer wants to watch S7 part 108:06
Riddellshadeslayer: yes, but not publically08:07
Riddellshadeslayer: all episodes?08:08
shadeslayerbah :/08:08
Riddellshadeslayer: so all 6 episodes08:11
shadeslayerRiddell: yes08:11
RiddellI'll see what I can do08:11
shadeslayerthx :)08:11
Riddellshadeslayer: actually it's only 508:12
Riddellassuming you've seen 2011 christmas special08:12
shadeslayerwell, I didn't count them :P08:12
shadeslayerno I don't08:12
shadeslayerI basically just streamed all of Season 7 Part 2 :D08:12
* valorie goes off to watch an almost new ep of the doctor -- loving these Clara eps so much08:15
shadeslayerRiddell: I could just torrent them off xD08:18
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Riddellapachelogger: bcooksley's chat with dfaure in #kde-devel might be interesting re qt 5 in neon10:25
apacheloggermh, the issue with submodules is general so we'd need some solution for it in some capacity at some point anyway10:34
soeegood morning10:36
yofelapachelogger: what's your plan for qt5? Build all repositories by themselves or make one big qt5 package?11:12
yofelI haven't given it another look after I noticed the imports failing. I'll do so once I clean up after 4.11 is branched11:16
apacheloggeryofel: latter11:45
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1180196] qtchooser operation prevented by PATH forcing under KDE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180196 (by Nathan Osman)12:03
seeleanyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.12:53
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1180196] qtchooser operation prevented by PATH forcing under KDE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180196 (by Nathan Osman)12:56
Darkwingseele: I looked for ya last night but I think I was on too late.12:57
seeleDarkwing: ah, i didnt see any name highlights12:57
seeledo you have time now or later?12:57
Darkwingseele: I have some time now. :)12:57
seelecool12:57
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1176686] qtchooser does not properly work with multiarch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176686 (by Harald Sitter)13:07
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* Riddell publishes http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/29/subject-kubuntu-love13:39
Riddellanyone remember who does this website? http://kubuntu.hu/13:48
ryanakcaNo, sorry. `whois` on the domain isn't very useful. Google translate claims that "MikroVPS" is sponsoring it though. Maybe they'd know the contact person?13:51
Riddella hungarian person was asking about if he could help, I sent him to find out as the first helpful bit13:52
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apacheloggerafiestas_: thoughts on bug 118227214:56
ubottubug 1182272 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 12.04 LTS should include kio-mtp" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118227214:56
afiestas_apachelogger: I thought it was already included14:57
afiestas_I saw it on a news14:57
afiestas_in that thing we have after each release14:57
afiestas_showing what is new14:57
afiestas_a wait, 12.04 lts14:58
afiestas_mmm14:58
apacheloggeryeah lts14:58
afiestas_it will be quite useless if you don't update the underlaying libmtp14:58
apachelogger!info kdelibs-data precise14:58
ubottuPackage kdelibs-data does not exist in precise14:58
apachelogger-.-14:58
apachelogger!info libmtp-dev precise14:58
ubottulibmtp-dev (source: libmtp): Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.3-1ubuntu0.1 (precise), package size 10 kB, installed size 130 kB14:58
apachelogger!info libmtp-dev14:58
ubottulibmtp-dev (source: libmtp): Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.5-42-g6e96316-1ubuntu1 (raring), package size 10 kB, installed size 89 kB14:58
apacheloggerafiestas_: 113 so different from 115?14:58
apachelogger!info kdelibs5 precise14:59
afiestas_don't know the details, but it might be14:59
ubottukdelibs5 (source: kde4libs): transitional package for the KDE Development Platform libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1 (precise), package size 20 kB, installed size 188 kB14:59
apacheloggerafiestas_: and is 4.8.5 good enough ^^14:59
afiestas_actually it might not even compile with 113, you can try14:59
apacheloggeryeah, I can't ... my kf5 builder is eating all bandwith and cpu ^^15:00
apacheloggeranyone got an idle machine?15:00
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK: I am wondering if a trello client would be useful15:01
apacheloggerprobably only nice to have though15:01
Riddellapachelogger: mm, why?15:01
apacheloggerRiddell: I have a personal card saying "play with trello api' ;)15:01
apacheloggerhttp://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/trello/bd4fa6c1-0994-4caa-b0e1-04eec135667b15:02
Riddellug, they take a nice system and make it windows 8..15:03
apacheloggerI like my windows 815:04
apacheloggeroh wait, I have none15:04
apacheloggertrololo15:04
jessievHanda: You around today?15:21
vHandahey! Yes15:21
vHandaI was just writing a blog post15:21
jessieExcellent! Cause my Nepomuk is dead again. :-/15:22
vHandasend me the db?15:22
vHandaall of the files15:22
jessievHanda: So in ~/.local/akonadi/akonadiserver.error I have this: http://pastebin.com/YmLNGcEa15:23
vHandakill everything which has the word nepomuk in it15:24
vHandaand run the nepomukserver15:24
lordievaderGood afternoon.15:24
vHandaafternoon!15:24
baltolkienafternoon!15:24
lordievaderHey vHanda, baltolkien. How are you both?15:25
vHandaI'm good. What about you?15:25
lordievaderDoing good too :)15:25
jessievHanda: http://paste.kde.org/753092/15:26
baltolkienGood, trying to solve my problem with nepomuk :(15:26
vHandayeah. It's the same thing as last time15:26
baltolkienYes.... :(15:26
vHandaplease zip up all the files in .kde/share/apps/nepomuk15:26
vHandaand send them to me15:26
baltolkienOK15:26
vHandapreferably via email so that i can look at this later15:27
baltolkienvia email?15:27
baltolkienok15:27
jessievHanda: Was that to me or baltolkien?15:27
vHandajessie: you :)15:27
vHandauhhh. baltolkien, do you have some problem with nepomuk?15:28
baltolkienOuch!15:28
vHandaI'm confused15:28
baltolkienSorry15:28
baltolkienvHanda15:28
baltolkienSorry, I'm newbe with irc...15:28
baltolkienYes, Nepomuk doesn't work in my Kubuntu 13.0415:29
baltolkienHow can desactivate all nepomuk processes?15:29
Riddell!testers | 4.10.3 needing testing in raring-proposed, bug 117635815:29
ubottubug 1176358 in kde4libs (Ubuntu Raring) "SRU tracking bug for KDE SC 4.10.3" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117635815:29
ubottu4.10.3 needing testing in raring-proposed, bug 1176358: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.15:29
baltolkienIt's normal have a soprano-virtuoso.db of 1,9 Gb?15:30
vHandayes15:31
baltolkienWow15:31
vHandayeah. I know :/15:31
apacheloggerRiddell: see #kde, rance is having issues after a kde upgrade there....15:31
lordievaderRiddell: Do you mean 4.10.3 is in raring-proposed and need testing? All I need to do for that is enable the proposed repo and update right?15:32
apacheloggerlordievader: yes15:33
lordievaderCool, will do :D15:33
Riddelllordievader: yep15:33
jessievHanda: Sent.15:37
lordievaderUpdating now to 4.10.3 :)15:38
baltolkienwell15:46
baltolkienI have a problem with the clock....15:47
baltolkienI can't change the time... It's 2 hours bad.15:47
baltolkienI try to change but I can't.15:47
jessieHmmm... Anyone else have this problem: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=15042015:51
jessieCan't add widgets to anything. When I try to drag + drop them places, I just get a red crossed out circle.15:51
lordievaderRiddell, apachelogger: 4.10.3 seems to be fine on 13.04 64bit. Boots fine anyhow.15:54
apacheloggerpull-lp-source: Downloading kio-mtp version 0+git20130315-0ubuntu116:02
apacheloggermhh16:02
apacheloggergit snapshot16:02
apacheloggerthat makes me confident in backproting to LTS being a good idea16:02
apachelogger>>> grep -ri i18n . && ls po/16:04
apachelogger./kio_mtp.cpp:        error ( ERR_UNSUPPORTED_ACTION, i18n( "Cannot copy/move files on the device itself" ) );16:04
apacheloggerls: cannot access po/: No such file or directory16:04
apachelogger....16:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: !!@#%!@16:04
apacheloggerRiddell, afiestas_: kio-mtp actually builds on 12.04, so we probably should look into LTS for hardware support16:15
* apachelogger away now16:15
jessie:-/ I'm trying to compile a QT + OpenGL application, but I get "fatal error: QOpenGLFunctions_4_3_Core: No such file or directory"16:25
jessieI have libqt-opengl-dev installed.16:25
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, LTSs generally don't get new features16:41
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soeecan i change partition size when running system ?19:19
Peace-soee: mmm i guess no 19:20
jessiesoee: It depends on which partition.19:20
Peace-soee: i mean root19:21
jessieIf you're using the partition, no, if you can unmount it, then you can resize it.19:21
soeewell i have one on my laptop and wubi used some space to install kubuntu here19:21
soeenow i would like to create ne 30 GB  partition19:21
soeei think i have to boot some livecd and than resize19:21
ahoneybunnHello people19:29
ahoneybunnHello people19:30
yofelsoee: you installed with wubi?19:35
soeeyofel, yes19:35
yofelIIRC wubi creates a partition in a file on NTFS and loop-mounts that19:36
yofelI can't remember offhand how you can resize that, but that's what you'll need to look for19:37
soeeim not sure how it does exactly :) what i want is to create separate partition :) 19:37
soeeatm i have windows / kubuntu on my lap19:37
lordievadersoee: You know Wubi has a 30Gb limit?19:38
yofelsoee: lets move to #kubuntu, this is support19:39
soeelordievader, now i dont care about wubi, kubuntu is running fine but i need separate partition (need to resize original partition)19:39
shadeslayer_apachelogger: :/21:03
* Quintasan goes to 4.10.3 testing22:19
shadeslayer_Quintasan: 0.6.2 all done?22:27
soeewhere can i found chromium daily build or sources ?22:30
shadeslayer_wrong channel?22:32
Quintasanshadeslayer_: barely, I didn't even touch it because my hdd died22:44
Quintasangood thing I had a backup22:45
Quintasan4.10.3 running all good22:45
shadeslayer_heh22:46
Quintasanshadeslayer_: Will do it friday probably.22:47
* Quintasan hits the bed22:47
ahoneybunnDarkwing:are you there??23:44

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