[00:02] yeah [00:02] too bad :/ [00:14] I need to see crimson horror before I can watch the rest [00:14] valorie: did you get to it yet ? [00:34] sup guys [00:36] so much dust [00:58] Darkwing: hello [01:08] hey valorie [01:13] does anyone hear me> [01:25] ahoneybun: Howdy [01:25] skellat: hello [01:27] seems they are busy then [01:29] Sounds like it [01:29] /s/Sounds/Seems/ [01:30] Bah [01:46] hey bkerensa [01:46] hm [01:50] ahoneybun: were you available for an interview? [01:51] seele: sure [01:51] awesome [01:51] I just watched Crimson Horror the other night, yeah [01:52] I'm trying to stretch 'em out, since it's so long until the new season starts! [01:52] valorie: I can't find a source to get that ep [01:53] which one? Crimson Horror? [01:53] I watch them on BBC America [01:53] yea I don't have access to that [01:53] I'm sure all of them are torrented though [01:54] otherwise how does apachelogger get them so quickly? [01:54] I did not find it on my choice of torrent site [01:55] eh, I just usually google 'torrent whatever' and look at the matches [01:55] I try to stick to a site [01:55] that I know [01:56] most of what I want is out of print but not out of copyright books for my kindle [01:56] valorie: did you get to look at the page? [01:56] nope, was fixing/eating dinner [01:56] oh ok [02:08] so we have a few more people working on it [02:18] Darkwing: ping [02:18] valorie: you busy? [02:30] nope, back [02:35] what happened to darkwing [02:45] valorie: were you on when darkwing was? [02:46] I have a bnc, so I always see backlog [02:47] oh [02:54] I want to know how we are going to present the Docs [02:55] do you think we are mostly done with the content? [02:55] IMO that comes first [02:55] are the pages in current state what we want [02:56] getting there [02:56] like the number of pages [02:57] might be time to write to the devel list and ask for read-through and suggestions for more content [02:57] niggle question: isn't Jockey called KDE-Jockey now? [02:58] We need to switch to ubuntu-drivers this cycle anyway. [02:58] We're the only user of Jockey left and it's not maintained anymore. [02:59] apt-cache search doesn't find even *jockey*! [02:59] if you use krunner you can find it installed [02:59] apt-cache show jockey-kde [02:59] oops, I shouldn't have used * [03:00] so for saucy there will be no more jockey? [03:00] Depends on if we get the work done or not. [03:00] ok [03:01] Regardless of if it's called Ubuntu Drivers or Jockey, I don't think it'll be a big difference to the users. [03:01] is it part of the devel todo? [03:01] I don't recall. It's on my list. [03:01] gotcha [03:01] That list isn't going very well so far. [03:01] ScottK: anything I can help with? [03:02] I got more than slightly distracted by Debian releasing than then doko almost immediately starting two uncoordinated python transitions and since I'm his co-maintainer I feel some obligation to clean up. [03:02] ahoneybun: Make the docs rock. [03:03] I mostly need some free time when pitti is available to discuss details with him of what needs doing. [03:03] ScottK: will do! [03:03] * valorie is editing /Basic atm [03:03] so it does not matter what jockey is called? [03:04] valorie: nice [03:04] Despite Monday being a holiday, I'm stuck 50+ hours on site with a customer this week. [03:04] ahoneybun: Not much. Part of the plan is to reuse the current jockey-kde front end with the new Ubuntu Drivers back end, so it'll look and ~work the same (just fewer bugs). [03:05] We'll probably rename it, but changing the name is one search/replace. [03:05] ScottK: it's always better with fewer bugs [03:05] Yes. [03:06] valorie: I think we would need more then 3 pages, if we don't expand the subpages of /Basic out at least [03:09] as you know, I prefer more and smaller pages [03:09] yea span them out [03:13] right? [03:17] I'm not sure what you mean by span them out? [03:17] well the basic page has like 2 or 3 subpages [03:24] I wish to move those subpages to a Advanced page or remove the commandline and repositories [03:29] that sounds ok to me, however I think you and darkwing should arm-wrestle over that [03:29] lol [03:29] I've finished editing the basic page for now [03:29] tightened it up a bit [03:29] and hopefully fixed the grammar problems [03:30] I don't see you in the revision history [03:30] I'm beginning to think that high schools have dropped teaching about comma splice sentences [03:30] oh [03:30] well, the effing thing saved [03:30] so [03:31] I see that you edited [03:31] ok [03:31] good [03:31] did you add that (Muon) part [03:31] yes [03:32] ok so I see your changes [03:32] awesome [03:32] for sure [03:32] that page is extremely long [03:32] the problem I see is that it's easy to get a morass of sub-pages too [03:32] I know thats why I said to expand it to more then one page [03:33] yea [03:33] anyway, the key thing is to get the content written [03:33] then it can be massaged into shape/presentation [03:33] yea [03:33] now, turning on the news [03:34] Later I'll look at the contributing part [03:34] ok? [03:34] for now my fingers are tired [03:34] ok so I need more pages to add content, I sent that message to list [03:34] cool [03:34] valorie: sure can you add more content to that page or are you fixing the content there [03:34] do you think we should mention Calligra? [03:35] right now not editing anything [03:35] because so far we're leaving out art applications [03:35] valorie: yea sure [03:35] yea [03:35] I mean, by default we are anyway, but Krita is awesome [03:36] well calligra is not installed by default [03:36] I have to say I use office stuff so infrequently I haven't tried out calligra yet [03:36] but I do have krita installed, since I got a drawing tablet for xmas [03:36] a bamboo [03:36] it's still nice but libreoffice has awesome features [03:37] I'm not advocating changing the default [03:37] are we going to read about programs not installed by default [03:37] just mentioning/linking to it [03:37] o ok [03:37] since it is the KDE default [03:38] seriously, that's why I wanted Konvi in there, not because I <3 it [03:40] I added GIMP, Krita, and Calligra in the todo [03:40] well on the trello [03:42] later if you can add what you think it needs to the trello [03:44] maybe we should have a page for graphics software [03:44] or a page for additional software to put gimp, calligra, krita and a few others [03:45] gimp, krita, and others [03:45] yeah [03:45] calligra is office, not art -- but krita is part of it [03:45] but it should be a additional software [03:45] right [03:45] "additional software" not "graphics software" [03:45] the only reason i raise the question is that calligra is KDE standard [03:45] yea Qt toolkit [03:46] but konvi is non-default [03:46] could have a page for development software, with KCreator (?) and QtCreator or whatever they are called [03:47] konvi IS the KDE default [03:47] QtCreator, and KDevelop [03:47] Quassel is not KDE software [03:47] not Kubuntu default [03:47] it's Qt [03:47] not KDE [03:47] Sput is a cool guy, but not totally KDE [03:48] I understand, but we vary from KDE by offering Quassel by default [03:48] fine, I disagree with that, but majority rules [03:48] that doesn't mean it is KDE default [03:48] I know [03:48] ok [03:48] anyway: news now [03:49] ok we'll talk later with the mailing list since the timezone [03:57] hey valorie [04:04] valorie: What's the KDE SC IRC client? [04:07] valorie: I'm using konversation [04:17] ScottK: ping [04:18] Pong. [04:18] canyou add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre [04:18] ahoneybun: It's fine. Konversation is a good IRC client and it's at least a KDE project. [04:19] Noskcaj_school: I'll be honest and confess the chances of me having time for that and remembering to do at at one of the times when I can are roughly nil. [04:19] ok [04:20] I have to get up in 4 1/2 hours and I'm trying to get an upstream release of a project done to fix a serious bug and then two Debian uploads before I sleep. [04:20] I don't mind if someone else does it. [04:21] i'll add you to it, at least how much i know about you [04:21] w.u.c/ScottKitterman exists. [04:22] forgot about that [04:23] ScottK: fair enough [04:23] what timezone are you ScottK? [04:24] valorie: If we were starting from scratch now, I think we should pick Konversation, but having had Quassel as a default for some time, I think we need a strong reason to change. [04:24] Noskcaj_school: -0400. [04:24] ok, ty [04:25] ScottK: I agree, which is why I'm not asking for a change [04:26] I just think that we should mention KDE alternatives when we have non-KDE software offered as the default [04:26] in our docs [04:26] I think that's reasonable. [04:26] That also exposes people to the idea of installing additional packages and that they have choices. [04:26] right [04:41] Does QT 5 not actually exist in 13.04? [04:44] jessie: as I understand it, Qt5 is just starting to be linked against in most KDE software [04:44] it's brand new [04:44] :-/ https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper This page lies then. [04:44] Unless I'm terribly mistaken on my time, in which case 13.04 isn't *actually* out yet. :-P [04:44] ok, but that's edgers, and for touch [04:45] not desktop [04:45] so that's devel stuff, not user stuff [04:45] jessie: A lot of Qt5 is in 13.04. [04:45] KDE doesn't use it yet, however. [04:45] ScottK: How can I install dev headers and what not? [04:45] Some software I am trying to use requires QT 5 [04:46] Mirv: ^^^ [04:46] He'll know. [04:47] Okay, well I might be going to bed soon. I've spent too much time on it tonight as is. [04:49] Actually, I think the edgers stuff and settings QT_LIBRARY=qt5 or whatever worked. [04:50] QT_SELECT=qt5 did it. :-3 [04:54] jessie: good :) either that or installing qt5-default, or using -qt=qt5 when calling Qt executables [04:55] Awesome. But now I have other issues. :-/ Stupid code. [07:51] valorie: access to a uk based server one needs [07:51] oh, for what, sir? [07:51] ah, for the doctor [07:52] I don't think all the episodes are kept online [07:53] I think they're removed after a certain time period [07:53] for eg. I couldn't find S7 Part 1 episodes [07:53] Riddell: ^^ Any ideas? [07:55] netflix [07:56] ah netflix [07:56] again, I have access to that, but can't play on Linux [07:57] which is just shitty :/ [07:57] maybe time to have a Windows VM just for Netflix [07:59] shadeslayer: you have a android tablet though... ? [08:00] Can't install the app because I get the Indian Play Store [08:00] :P [08:01] ah, we use the blu-ray player for netflix [08:01] and my husband uses windows [08:01] I don't want to watch any movies or whatever on my laptop [08:01] I hate that [08:01] apachelogger: what what? [08:02] shadeslayer: bollocks [08:02] indeed [08:03] you'd think the idea was to get as many users to watch the show [08:03] mm, 1044 e-mails to read today [08:03] easy peasy [08:05] control-A [08:05] mark read [08:05] done! [08:06] ^^ [08:06] apachelogger: I can get URLs for anything you want [08:06] Riddell: Does BBC store older episodes of Dr. Who ? [08:06] * shadeslayer wants to watch S7 part 1 [08:07] shadeslayer: yes, but not publically [08:08] shadeslayer: all episodes? [08:08] bah :/ [08:11] shadeslayer: so all 6 episodes [08:11] Riddell: yes [08:11] I'll see what I can do [08:11] thx :) [08:12] shadeslayer: actually it's only 5 [08:12] assuming you've seen 2011 christmas special [08:12] well, I didn't count them :P [08:12] no I don't [08:12] I basically just streamed all of Season 7 Part 2 :D [08:15] * valorie goes off to watch an almost new ep of the doctor -- loving these Clara eps so much [08:18] Riddell: I could just torrent them off xD === vinay is now known as Guest55724 [10:25] apachelogger: bcooksley's chat with dfaure in #kde-devel might be interesting re qt 5 in neon [10:34] mh, the issue with submodules is general so we'd need some solution for it in some capacity at some point anyway [10:36] good morning [11:12] apachelogger: what's your plan for qt5? Build all repositories by themselves or make one big qt5 package? [11:16] I haven't given it another look after I noticed the imports failing. I'll do so once I clean up after 4.11 is branched [11:45] yofel: latter [12:03] ::qt-bugs:: [1180196] qtchooser operation prevented by PATH forcing under KDE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180196 (by Nathan Osman) [12:53] anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation. [12:56] ::workspace-bugs:: [1180196] qtchooser operation prevented by PATH forcing under KDE @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180196 (by Nathan Osman) [12:57] seele: I looked for ya last night but I think I was on too late. [12:57] Darkwing: ah, i didnt see any name highlights [12:57] do you have time now or later? [12:57] seele: I have some time now. :) [12:57] cool [13:07] ::qt-bugs:: [1176686] qtchooser does not properly work with multiarch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176686 (by Harald Sitter) === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:39] * Riddell publishes http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/29/subject-kubuntu-love [13:48] anyone remember who does this website? http://kubuntu.hu/ [13:51] No, sorry. `whois` on the domain isn't very useful. Google translate claims that "MikroVPS" is sponsoring it though. Maybe they'd know the contact person? [13:52] a hungarian person was asking about if he could help, I sent him to find out as the first helpful bit === apol__ is now known as apol === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda [14:56] afiestas_: thoughts on bug 1182272 [14:56] bug 1182272 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 12.04 LTS should include kio-mtp" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182272 [14:57] apachelogger: I thought it was already included [14:57] I saw it on a news [14:57] in that thing we have after each release [14:57] showing what is new [14:58] a wait, 12.04 lts [14:58] mmm [14:58] yeah lts [14:58] it will be quite useless if you don't update the underlaying libmtp [14:58] !info kdelibs-data precise [14:58] Package kdelibs-data does not exist in precise [14:58] -.- [14:58] !info libmtp-dev precise [14:58] libmtp-dev (source: libmtp): Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.3-1ubuntu0.1 (precise), package size 10 kB, installed size 130 kB [14:58] !info libmtp-dev [14:58] libmtp-dev (source: libmtp): Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.5-42-g6e96316-1ubuntu1 (raring), package size 10 kB, installed size 89 kB [14:58] afiestas_: 113 so different from 115? [14:59] !info kdelibs5 precise [14:59] don't know the details, but it might be [14:59] kdelibs5 (source: kde4libs): transitional package for the KDE Development Platform libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1 (precise), package size 20 kB, installed size 188 kB [14:59] afiestas_: and is 4.8.5 good enough ^^ [14:59] actually it might not even compile with 113, you can try [15:00] yeah, I can't ... my kf5 builder is eating all bandwith and cpu ^^ [15:00] anyone got an idle machine? [15:01] Riddell, ScottK: I am wondering if a trello client would be useful [15:01] probably only nice to have though [15:01] apachelogger: mm, why? [15:01] Riddell: I have a personal card saying "play with trello api' ;) [15:02] http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/trello/bd4fa6c1-0994-4caa-b0e1-04eec135667b [15:03] ug, they take a nice system and make it windows 8.. [15:04] I like my windows 8 [15:04] oh wait, I have none [15:04] trololo [15:21] vHanda: You around today? [15:21] hey! Yes [15:21] I was just writing a blog post [15:22] Excellent! Cause my Nepomuk is dead again. :-/ [15:22] send me the db? [15:22] all of the files [15:23] vHanda: So in ~/.local/akonadi/akonadiserver.error I have this: http://pastebin.com/YmLNGcEa [15:24] kill everything which has the word nepomuk in it [15:24] and run the nepomukserver [15:24] Good afternoon. [15:24] afternoon! [15:24] afternoon! [15:25] Hey vHanda, baltolkien. How are you both? [15:25] I'm good. What about you? [15:25] Doing good too :) [15:26] vHanda: http://paste.kde.org/753092/ [15:26] Good, trying to solve my problem with nepomuk :( [15:26] yeah. It's the same thing as last time [15:26] Yes.... :( [15:26] please zip up all the files in .kde/share/apps/nepomuk [15:26] and send them to me [15:26] OK [15:27] preferably via email so that i can look at this later [15:27] via email? [15:27] ok [15:27] vHanda: Was that to me or baltolkien? [15:27] jessie: you :) [15:28] uhhh. baltolkien, do you have some problem with nepomuk? [15:28] Ouch! [15:28] I'm confused [15:28] Sorry [15:28] vHanda [15:28] Sorry, I'm newbe with irc... [15:29] Yes, Nepomuk doesn't work in my Kubuntu 13.04 [15:29] How can desactivate all nepomuk processes? [15:29] !testers | 4.10.3 needing testing in raring-proposed, bug 1176358 [15:29] bug 1176358 in kde4libs (Ubuntu Raring) "SRU tracking bug for KDE SC 4.10.3" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176358 [15:29] 4.10.3 needing testing in raring-proposed, bug 1176358: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [15:30] It's normal have a soprano-virtuoso.db of 1,9 Gb? [15:31] yes [15:31] Wow [15:31] yeah. I know :/ [15:31] Riddell: see #kde, rance is having issues after a kde upgrade there.... [15:32] Riddell: Do you mean 4.10.3 is in raring-proposed and need testing? All I need to do for that is enable the proposed repo and update right? [15:33] lordievader: yes [15:33] Cool, will do :D [15:33] lordievader: yep [15:37] vHanda: Sent. [15:38] Updating now to 4.10.3 :) [15:46] well [15:47] I have a problem with the clock.... [15:47] I can't change the time... It's 2 hours bad. [15:47] I try to change but I can't. [15:51] Hmmm... Anyone else have this problem: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=150420 [15:51] Can't add widgets to anything. When I try to drag + drop them places, I just get a red crossed out circle. [15:54] Riddell, apachelogger: 4.10.3 seems to be fine on 13.04 64bit. Boots fine anyhow. [16:02] pull-lp-source: Downloading kio-mtp version 0+git20130315-0ubuntu1 [16:02] mhh [16:02] git snapshot [16:02] that makes me confident in backproting to LTS being a good idea [16:04] >>> grep -ri i18n . && ls po/ [16:04] ./kio_mtp.cpp: error ( ERR_UNSUPPORTED_ACTION, i18n( "Cannot copy/move files on the device itself" ) ); [16:04] ls: cannot access po/: No such file or directory [16:04] .... [16:04] shadeslayer: !!@#%!@ [16:15] Riddell, afiestas_: kio-mtp actually builds on 12.04, so we probably should look into LTS for hardware support [16:15] * apachelogger away now [16:25] :-/ I'm trying to compile a QT + OpenGL application, but I get "fatal error: QOpenGLFunctions_4_3_Core: No such file or directory" [16:25] I have libqt-opengl-dev installed. [16:41] apachelogger: hmm, LTSs generally don't get new features === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne [19:19] can i change partition size when running system ? [19:20] soee: mmm i guess no [19:20] soee: It depends on which partition. [19:21] soee: i mean root [19:21] If you're using the partition, no, if you can unmount it, then you can resize it. [19:21] well i have one on my laptop and wubi used some space to install kubuntu here [19:21] now i would like to create ne 30 GB partition [19:21] i think i have to boot some livecd and than resize [19:29] Hello people [19:30] Hello people [19:35] soee: you installed with wubi? [19:35] yofel, yes [19:36] IIRC wubi creates a partition in a file on NTFS and loop-mounts that [19:37] I can't remember offhand how you can resize that, but that's what you'll need to look for [19:37] im not sure how it does exactly :) what i want is to create separate partition :) [19:37] atm i have windows / kubuntu on my lap [19:38] soee: You know Wubi has a 30Gb limit? [19:39] soee: lets move to #kubuntu, this is support [19:39] lordievader, now i dont care about wubi, kubuntu is running fine but i need separate partition (need to resize original partition) [21:03] apachelogger: :/ [22:19] * Quintasan goes to 4.10.3 testing [22:27] Quintasan: 0.6.2 all done? [22:30] where can i found chromium daily build or sources ? [22:32] wrong channel? [22:44] shadeslayer_: barely, I didn't even touch it because my hdd died [22:45] good thing I had a backup [22:45] 4.10.3 running all good [22:46] heh [22:47] shadeslayer_: Will do it friday probably. [22:47] * Quintasan hits the bed [23:44] Darkwing:are you there??