[02:46] <LLckfan> My modem went out (like the cable company was working on the line) and now the router will not connect to the internet. Is there some way to get it to see the internet again without reinstalling the software? (BTW I am hooked up to the modem right now)
[03:39] <valorie> LLckfan: you are connecting to IRC, and not the internet?
[03:39] <valorie> I very much doubt that software is at fault; I would try resetting the modem
[03:40] <valorie> usually you have to unplug it from the power source for a minute or so
[03:40] <LLckfan> BTW I am hooked right to the router
[03:41] <valorie> when I have such problems I call comcast and get them to test the connection while I'm on the phone with them
[03:41] <LLckfan> The router works
[03:41] <valorie> it's always them, never my computer
[03:42] <LLckfan> The modemn works
[03:42] <LLckfan> It is the router
[03:42] <valorie> first you say that the router won't connect to the internet, then that it works
[03:42] <valorie> which is it?
[03:43] <LLckfan> It does not connect
[03:43] <LLckfan> But it works
[03:43] <LLckfan> The networking works
[03:43] <LLckfan> It will not connect to the internet
[03:59] <fractaline> anyone here has  used mint kde and care to compare?
[03:59] <fractaline> just looking for opinions...
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I have never use the KDE version of Mint
[04:01] <Aethysius> Kubuntu imo is better.
[04:01] <Aethysius> KDE with Mint is clunky, in my experience.
[04:04] <fractaline> thanks for that Aethysius ahoneybun
[04:05] <LLckfan> My modem went out I saw them come back on (like the cable company was working on the line) and now the router will not connect to the internet. Is there some way to get it to see the internet again without reinstalling the software? (BTW I am hooked up to the modem right now)
[04:05] <fractaline> i'm obsessed with finding the 'right'  os
[04:06] <Aethysius> I really like Kubuntu.
[04:07] <ahoneybun> fractaline: I have moved from Mint, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Arch, Charka, Debian
[04:07] <ahoneybun> and I have found my spot in Kubuntu
[04:08] <fractaline> me too, but i am having some bugs.   i believe i need to clean install.   looking into a separate /home partition
[04:08] <fractaline> ahoneybun, that's good to hear,  it really it
[04:08] <fractaline> is
[04:08] <Aethysius> I have my boot disk on a SSD and my /home on a 2TB disk.
[04:08] <ahoneybun> Aethysius: damn lol
[04:08] <Aethysius> I really didn't like Lubuntu, or Unity.
[04:09] <Aethysius> Problem is, my 2TB is split in two from when I had a Windows partition.
[04:09] <ahoneybun> Aethysius: LXDE is not for me once I used KDE, Unity, GNOME shell
[04:09] <fractaline> na, unity is a bit gimmicy
[04:09] <Aethysius> I like KDE and Xfce.
[04:09] <ahoneybun> Aethysius: can't you resize with K Parted?
[04:09] <Aethysius> Well, it has data on it.
[04:10] <ahoneybun> fractaline: I think it can be great it's just a lot of the features in it are in KDE already
[04:10] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:10] <fractaline> i'm doing it all on a laptop with 500gig
[04:10] <ahoneybun> cool
[04:10] <ahoneybun> I wish I could get a new one, I'm currently looking at a new phone serive
[04:10] <ahoneybun> service
[04:11] <fractaline> would 70 gig be enough for /home?
[04:12] <ahoneybun> fractaline: depends what you are using it for
[04:12] <ahoneybun> just for browsing the web and text documents and a few videos and pics sure
[04:12] <fractaline> just average home pc stuff...  music movies web
[04:13] <ahoneybun> fractaline: should be
[04:14] <ElTimo> fractaline: I have 45 GB set for my /home and that's been more than enough for me.
[04:14] <fractaline> i guess i can always move bulky files (movies) if it gets full
[04:14] <ahoneybun> anyway I'm off for the day
[04:15] <fractaline> thanks alot guys i really appreciate it
[04:15] <fractaline> ciao ahoneybun
[04:15] <ahoneybun> see ya
[04:16] <fractaline> the more i get to kknow linux the more i see how much i have to learn... lol
[04:26] <Aethysius> I don't know anything about the command line of Linux. Well, I know a small bit, but not nearly enough.
[04:29] <fractaline> we'll get there Aethysius ;)
[04:33] <neumann> since the last major upgrade 13.04 -- on startup, i'm getting random "an application has crashed now or in the past", and /var/crash/ is referencing ksplashqml and akonadi elements as culprits...
[05:20] <hoverboard> hi
[12:52] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> seele: what about kde notifications?
[13:01] <seele> ovidiu-florin: i am doing some user interviews if you are interested. i'll be available in about 40 minutes
[13:01] <seele> ovidiu-florin: i will donate $5 to the kde e.v. for your participation
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> seele: I'm interested
[13:03] <seele> ovidiu-florin: ok great, i'll ping you in about 40 minutes?
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[13:19] <totoro44> Hello everybody
[13:21] <totoro44> I need your help, because i'm trying to rename files, dolphin crashes.
[13:33] <GH0> How am I supposed to disable the KDE Wallet service for a user if one doesn't exist in the Account Details page? http://i.imgur.com/Cdqm4N6.png I don't see anything about disabling the service via cli either.
[13:41] <MySystem> hello how can i view the real grafikadapter not the output of "sudo lspci -v -s `lspci | awk '/VGA/{print $1}'`" because i think this is an error
[13:41] <MySystem> i thought it is an ati card
[13:42] <GH0> Asked in #kde, kwalletmanager needed to be installed. Not sure why it wasn't in the first place.
[13:47] <Fritigern> MySystem: What is the output that you receive?
[13:47] <MySystem> !pastebin
[13:47] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713421/
[13:49] <Fritigern> lspci gets the info directly from the hardware. So all i can say is that you do not seem to have an ATi card as you thought you had.
[13:51] <MySystem> ok thanks fritigern, then its an nvidia nice (better driver support) , thought 9520 is an ati number for the old 95xx series
[14:23] <GH0> What would be the best way to handle and fix this problem: http://i.imgur.com/DVbv5ig.png I saw update-mime-database but that didn't work for me, unless I just pointed it to the wrong directory.
[14:27] <alvin> Is there a way to change the background of the 'homerun' plasma widget? I want to change the opacity. The default setting is barely readable because of the translucency
[14:33] <Akishona> what is: Get Hot New Stuff v2 library for kde platform ?
[14:58] <rance> I am running kubuntu 13.04 and it was running fine till a package upgrade today.  After a requested reboot, when I log in my session appears to have vanished.  No background, no status bars, just black screens.  The keyboard shortcuts I have configured do work, so its not a total loss.  I'm just not sure how to fix.  This happens for all user accounts on the box, not just one.
[14:58] <ovidiu-florin> can you go to tty1?
[15:00] <rance> yes I can go to tty1
[15:01] <ovidiu-florin> reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[15:05] <ovidiu-florin> if this does not fix, also install plasma-desktop
[15:10] <rance> ovidiu-florin: no dice
[15:11] <rance> After a reinstall of both plasma-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, no changes
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, it was kde-workspace
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> dang... I just couldn't remember it
[15:17] <rance> well, dang.  That didn't help either
[15:17] <ovidiu-florin> weird, what have you updated?
[15:18] <rance> I used muon to scan for updates, and it said I had 27 or so.  I updated them, and one was a new kernel.  Thats why it asked me to reboot.
[15:19] <rance> I didn't notice anything in the list of package updates that would have raised suspicions
[15:19] <ovidiu-florin> new version of KDE?
[15:20] <apachelogger> rance: less /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:20] <apachelogger> at the very bottom you should find the most recently installed software
[15:20] <apachelogger> was anything removed?
[15:20] <apachelogger> also... if you hit alt-f2 in your "empty" session ... do you get krunner popping up at the top of the screen?
[15:22] <rance> yes I think it was a new version of KDE, at least I see a lot of libkde*5 packages
[15:23] <rance> even a lib plasma package got updated
[15:23] <rance> apachelogger:  Yes, keyboard shortcuts work
[15:24] <apachelogger> curious enough
[15:24] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:24] <apachelogger> rance: open konsole then ... killall plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop --nofork
[15:24] <apachelogger> any suspicious output?
[15:24] <apachelogger> lordievader: ahoy
[15:25] <lordievader> Hey apachelogger, how are you?
[15:27] <rance> ok, thats the issue, plasma-desktop is not starting automatically
[15:28] <rance> manually starting it fixes it
[15:29] <apachelogger> rance: grep -r NoDisplay=true ~/.config/autostart/ /usr/share/autostart/ /etc/xdg/autostart/ |grep plasma-desktop
[15:29] <apachelogger> any output?
[15:30] <apachelogger> lordievader: my machine is being eaten by  ruby scripts ^^
[15:31] <lordievader> Is that a good or a bad thing?
[15:32] <apachelogger> lordievader: bad for me anyway ;)
[15:33] <rance> Its telling me I don't have a ~/.config/autostart/ directory or file
[15:33] <rance> .config is there but there is no autostart subdir
[15:33] <apachelogger> hm
[15:34] <apachelogger> rance: file /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[15:35] <rance> I have that file
[15:35] <apachelogger> this is very odd
[15:36] <apachelogger> rance: dpkg -S autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[15:37] <apachelogger> any other package that contains the file?
[15:37] <apachelogger> (other than plasma-desktop)
[15:37] <Fritigern> I'm updating right now, and i see some spam in the console saying "kbuildsycoca4(11145) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service :  "/usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop" " Wondering is that's related. I could paste one of the full messages to pastebin
[15:38] <rance> kubuntu-settings-active and kubuntu-settings-netbook both have that file and are both installed.  Not sure why I need both of those
[15:39] <Fritigern> http://paste.kde.org/753104/
[15:40] <apachelogger> rance: uhm, you do not need kubuntu-settings-active
[15:40] <apachelogger> but
[15:40] <apachelogger> rance: run kdebugdialog, then select everything and apply
[15:40] <apachelogger> logout and back in again, then in a konsole again: cp ~/.xsession-errors ~/xsession-errors
[15:41] <Fritigern> Red flag in my console : kbuildsycoca4(16847)/kdecore (services) KServicePrivate::init: The desktop entry file  "/usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop"  has Type= "XSession"  instead of "Application" or "Service"
[15:41] <apachelogger> in your home directory is ~/xession-errors, send that to apachelogger@kubuntu.org please
[15:41] <rance> will do
[15:41] <apachelogger> Fritigern: dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop
[15:42] <Fritigern> No need to search for that, it is installed
[15:43] <dnivra> Hello everyone! I'm running Ubuntu 12.04.2 and everytime I go fullscreen in VLC, the screen goes blank in 2 minutes time. I've disabled every option in energy settings and unchecked start automatically in screensaver. I also tried 'xset -dpms' which does disable dpms but then somehow dpms gets enabled. I tried looking around the internet but couldn't find out a solution. Does anyone here have any ideas how to prevent this?
[15:43] <apachelogger> Fritigern: what's the output
[15:44] <Fritigern> The output is "openbox: /usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop"
[15:44] <apachelogger> Fritigern: ubuntu-bug openbox
[15:44] <apachelogger> please report a bug, that file should not be in there but /usr/share/xsession/
[15:45] <cadonigi> ciao a tutti
[15:45] <cadonigi> !list
[15:47] <Fritigern> apachelogger: I just figured that this may be related to rance's problem
[15:47] <cadonigi> msg ubottu !bot
[15:48] <apachelogger> cadonigi: what are you doing exactly?
[15:48] <cadonigi>  /msg ubottu !bot
[15:48] <apachelogger> Fritigern: it is not. still a bug though ;)
[15:48] <apachelogger> cadonigi: ?
[15:48] <rance> apachelogger: email sent
[15:51] <apachelogger> also doesn't show what goes wrong -.-
[15:51] <apachelogger> rance: echo $KDEDIRS and please also send /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:54] <Guest43818> was ist hier denn los
[15:54] <rance> apachelogger: second email sent
[15:55] <apachelogger> rance: you are logging into plasma active not plasma desktop ^^
[15:57] <rance> apahelogger:  In my sessions selection during login I only have one choice.  KDE Plasma Desktop  (and the always present "previous choice" selections)
[15:57] <apachelogger> rance: sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-settings-active
[15:57] <apachelogger> that should fix it
[16:00] <rance> That did it, thanks for the help
[16:00] <apachelogger> rance: bug 1185503 FWIW
[16:00] <apachelogger> thanks for the logs
[16:02] <rance> YW, thanks for the help and doing the bug report for me, but since you did it, its already triaged, so that will save some time in the future.
[16:03] <apachelogger> also already on our todo list for 13.10, pretty grave issue that one is
[16:06] <dnivra> So does anyone have any ideas about the issue I'm facing -screen goes blank every two minutes when watching full screen in VLC; Kubuntu 12.04?
[16:07] <apachelogger> dnivra: does it happen with dragon?
[16:09] <dnivra> apachelogger: haven't checked actually. I will check now.
[16:10] <dnivra> apachelogger: just curious - are you asking because it might be a VLC issue? I did disable screensaver and inhibit power management daemon from VLC - can't think of other ways of fixing from within it..
[16:14] <apachelogger> dnivra: well, if it works with dragon it's probably some problem with how vlc inhibits power saving
[16:14] <apachelogger> also I gotta run, so in case it works with dragon #videolan might be able to help
[16:15] <dnivra> apachelogger: I guess there are no issues with dragon player - ran for about 3 mins or so. Guess I'll drop by #videolan. Thanks for your help!
[16:27] <dnivra> apachelogger: I dropped by #videolan. Looks like it's something broken with 2.0 series. Guess the devs are aware of it.
[16:27] <dnivra> thought I'd let you know too
[16:28] <dnivra> And apparently it's fixed in 2.1.
[19:07] <Guest1088> hello
[19:07] <Guest1088> hi
[19:07] <Guest1088> wtf.!\
[19:07] <lordievader> Hey Guest1088
[19:08] <Guest1088> hello sir
[19:08] <lordievader> Guest1088: How are you?
[19:08] <Guest1088> :)
[19:09] <Guest1088> :(
[19:09] <Guest1088> lordievader'
[19:09] <Guest1088> hello
[19:15] <BluesKaj> Guest1088, do you have a support question?
[19:34] <Dry_Lips> Hi guys, is there any good alternative to Dolphin?
[19:35] <tekkbuzz> Dry_Lips: Konqueror
[19:43] <Dry_Lips> tekkbuzz: Ok, thanks, but Konqueror is a web browser too, right? Aren't there other lightweight Qt file managers?
[19:44] <tekkbuzz> lots of them in the repos.
[19:44] <tekkbuzz> but I prefer Konqueror over any of them.
[19:46] <tekkbuzz> try this on the command line:   konqueror --profile filemanagement
[19:46] <soee> running live CD is it possible to resize partition ?
[19:46] <yofel> soee: regarding wubi, do you need the same system? Otherwise it would be easier to re-install on a seperate partition and copy the data you need over later
[19:46] <yofel> or make a backup first
[19:47] <soee> yofel, i do not want to do anything with current system
[19:47] <yofel> then you can just reinstall it no? Ubiquity can resize the windows partition to make space for kubuntu
[19:48] <dapo87> hi every one
[19:49] <Dry_Lips> tekkbuzz: thanks :)
[19:50] <soee> yofel, reinstall ? i want windows + kubuntu stay as they are. using the free space on my lap partition i want to create new empty partition
[19:50] <yofel> soee: I meant reinstalling kubuntu. If you want to do the partitioning yourself, you can select manual partitioning in the installer
[19:51] <yofel> soee: nevermind, I misunderstood
[19:52] <soee> yofel, i dont want to go installer etc :) just use some app like partition manager from live CD to resize current partition and from free space create new one
[19:52] <yofel> soee: is kubuntu installed on an actually real partition currently?
[19:53] <soee> yofel, dont think so, atm i see only 2 partitions in partition managwer, the one with systems and backup
[19:54] <yofel> soee: the windows partition manager?
[19:55] <soee> KDE Partition Manager
[19:56] <yofel> can you please pastebin the 'mount' output?
[19:56] <yofel> just so I can make sure that my wubi assumptions are actually correct
[19:57] <soee> yofel, http://paste.kde.org/753242/
[19:59] <yofel> ok, as expected. The live disk won't help there as you'll need to increase the size of the file that's bound to /dev/loop0
[20:00] <soee> :/
[20:04] <yofel> soee: actually, the live disk is still needed as it has to be unmounted as lordievader said. But what you need to do is boot the live disk, mount the NTFS partition, increase the size of the sparse file and then you can resize the FS to the new file size
[20:05] <soee> yofel, spare file - the one wubi created ?
[20:05] <yofel> soee: this looks reasonable: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sparse_file#Resizing_the_sparse_file
[20:05] <yofel> soee: yeah, the file that wubi installed kubuntu into
[20:06] <soee> yofel, but do i really need this?
[20:06] <soee> if i want new partition that has nothing to do with this wubi file ?
[20:06] <yofel> I forgot what the filename and location are, but fstab or google might tell
[20:07] <yofel> soee: well... I don't know whether wubi can handle real partitions. But what *might* work is:
[20:08] <yofel> create the partition you want, dd the file contents into the new partition, resize the FS that's now in the partition, fix fstab, install grub and you should be able to dual-boot kubuntu and windows without wubi
[20:08] <BluesKaj> I'm surprised how well W7 runs in VB, once set up properly with guest additions.
[20:09] <soee> yofel, ok thank you for your help i try to work it out
[20:28] <fractaline> good morning people
[20:31] <Guest56615> hello
[20:31] <Guest56615> good afternoon creatures
[20:31] <Guest56615> <3
[20:32] <n72567> my x closes after login and i get back to login
[20:35] <BluesKaj> n72567, can you get to a tty prompt ?, ctl+alt+F1  to F6
[20:37] <BluesKaj> if so then run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:37] <n72567> yea
[20:37] <BluesKaj> and which graphics do you have ?
[20:38] <n72567> thats not important as i said other new users can ligin to x
[20:40] <BluesKaj> n72567, where did you say that , I don't see it
[20:41] <n72567> sry u r right
[20:41] <n72567> i can login with a new user credential but not with my own
[20:41] <BluesKaj> oh over in ubuntu maybe
[20:42] <n72567> y
[20:43] <BluesKaj> not real well versed in users and permissions  ...I'm the only user on this pc
[20:45] <yofel> n72567: could you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors from the user that's broken?
[20:45] <n72567> just a secl
[20:49] <n72567>              ;thank you so mush
[20:49] <n72567> much
[20:49] <n72567> i found the error
[20:49] <yofel> what was it?
[20:49] <n72567> it was because of monkeysphere software i had installed
[20:50] <yofel> how would that crash X at login o.O?
[20:50] <n72567> it didnt crash x as i said
[20:50] <n72567> it just closes it and goes back to logn page
[20:50] <yofel> aaah ^^
[20:51] <n72567>      i dont know why it does that but it does
[20:51] <n72567>   again thank you yofel
[20:51] <n72567> bye bye
[21:50] <fractaline> hi, i've got the strangest issue with kwin/plasma.    i did kwin --replace to see if i could get some screen edge settings to stick. after, one of two virtual desktops has reverted to ubuntu/gnome (not unity as there is no unity panel).  eg when i'm on desktop one, my widgets are gone, it's showing the wallpaper that i last set on ubuntu, and right clicking on emty desktop gives me ubuntu right click menu (new folder etc.
[21:50] <fractaline> .)  i can still access my plasma panels so long as the right click menu is not up. i can use keyboard shortcuts to get back to desktop2 and all is well (kubuntu) ... here is a snapshot of the desktop with ubuntu folders and plasma panel. http://i.imgur.com/nCGzhLn.jpg?1     i'm sure a reboot or even logout would fix it for now but it happened yesterday as well.
[21:54] <fractaline> guess it's time for a clean install,  i'd  like to know if i used a backup of /home as it is, could this "bug" be introduced to the new installation?
[21:57] <fractaline> i hope that made some sense...   difficult to explain
[22:54] <valorie> fractaline: you might take your backup of home and rename the ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 folder before reinstalling
[22:55] <valorie> then if you are missing settings you can copy just those back
[22:55] <valorie> one way to check if that will help is to log in with a new user
[22:56] <valorie> but rather than reinstalling, just renaming that folder will probably be the best step
[22:56] <valorie> oops, this is #kubuntu, so it is ~/.kde
[22:56] <valorie> first check with a new user though
[23:01] <fractaline> valorie,  ty...   so are the kwin/plamsa settings in.kde?
[23:02] <fractaline> meaning if i backedup .kde only and copied it back to the new home would that give me those settings?
[23:04] <valorie> please try with a new user, fractaline
[23:04] <valorie> that will tell you for sure whether or not this advice will help
[23:05] <fractaline> or you mean that if i rename .kde then it will be regenerated without the "bug"?
[23:05] <fractaline> i will
[23:05] <valorie> your messed up settings are presumably in ~/.kde
[23:05] <valorie> if they are not, then this won't help
[23:05] <valorie> so a test first is necessary
[23:06] <fractaline> ok so log in as guest and try to reproduce the bug?
[23:07] <fractaline> thanks so much for responding!
[23:11] <valorie> fractaline: exactly
[23:11] <valorie> because guest will have a pristine ~/.kde
[23:12] <fractaline> great.   thanks so much!   brb
[23:29] <fractaline> valorie,  seems like it is in .kde.... i don't have the bug as a guest
[23:30] <fractaline> but it's easily reproduced when i log back in...
[23:31] <fractaline> i think it has to do with cairo dock...  i uninstalled with software center but it is still showing up in other places, eg as a login option.
[23:33] <fractaline> i'm tempted to remove anything cairo in muon package manager  but i'm not sure if i need some of it...
[23:35] <fractaline> you see i installed kubuntu over ubuntu and removed ubuntu-desktop (which lingered in the login menu until just now)
[23:36] <fractaline> so i'm not sure where the issue came from, and whether i should do a clean install to be rid of any "extra" stuff that may not be playing nicely with kubuntu
[23:40] <valorie> yeah, my luck has been chancey with installing kubuntu over ubuntu
[23:41] <valorie> but really, just renaming your ~/.kde folder (while logged out) will do the trick then
[23:41] <valorie> try that first, and then you can just copy back what you want
[23:41] <valorie> if that isn't good enough, you always have the option of a clean install
[23:42] <valorie> esp. with a fresh backup of home already done
[23:42] <valorie> backups are *always* good
[23:42] <fractaline> but how do i know which settings are the trouble in .kde?
[23:43] <valorie> if you log out and rename ~/.kde
[23:43] <valorie> when you log back in you'll have a clean one
[23:43] <valorie> then if you are missing some settings you can copy them back in
[23:43] <valorie> otherwise, if everything is fine, you're done
[23:44] <valorie> that's why it's good to rename rather than erase
[23:44] <valorie> you always have a fallback
[23:44] <fractaline> ya, a good practice
[23:45] <fractaline> could cairo have caused this do you think?
[23:47] <valorie> no idea; I've never used cairo
[23:48] <fractaline> also will i need to give guest any permissions to rename .kde?
[23:49] <fractaline> or just open dolphin in konsole with sudokde?
[23:53] <fractaline> valorie,  would that be the correct command?  sudokde dolphin   ??
[23:53] <valorie> no, you need to be logged out of KDE
[23:54] <fractaline> from where will i rename?
[23:55] <valorie> so log out and use control+ alt+ f2, log in as yourself, then cp ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[23:55] <valorie> then control alt f6 or so to get back to login screen, and login again
[23:56] <fractaline> that's tty right?
[23:56] <valorie> when I say control alt f6 or so, you can try this out now and see which it is
[23:56] <valorie> without logging out
[23:56] <valorie> yes, tty
[23:56] <valorie> what works for me is f2 and f6, but it might be a bit different for you
[23:57] <fractaline> i'll check now
[23:57] <fractaline> f7 for me
[23:58] <valorie> cool, so now you know that
[23:58] <fractaline> ok, brb   thanks so, so much for your help
[23:58] <valorie> have fun!
[23:59] <fractaline> :)