=== m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [03:32] Good morning [04:07] morning [04:13] wow pitti that is early [04:23] hey olli_ [05:29] powerpc build failure chain.. [05:32] Mirv: yeah, mind looking at it? sil2100 couldn't figure out where the race was [05:32] as the -dev is arch:any, not arch:all [05:59] there's no sensible packaging explanation at least, the .29 looks correct inside the packages, and because of arch:any they can't be published at a different time. Packages file is correct. possibly a caching problem of some sort at the builder. [06:02] Mirv: it happens quite often [06:02] Mirv: so I think the issue is in the dep of this -dev which is arch:any [06:02] bonjour didrocks, hey Mirv [06:03] Mirv: would be useful to experiment and have a deeper look there [06:03] hey pitti! [06:03] * didrocks hopes we can finally put otto in production today :) [06:03] didrocks: ooh! [06:04] didrocks: the dep in the -dev package is correct, opening up the .deb and looking at DEBIAN/ [06:04] hey pitti [06:05] Mirv: I mean the dep of the -dev packages from the build-deps [06:05] Mirv: I think it's a second-level third-level things which is blocking [06:07] didrocks: right.. [06:25] with unity-lens-music the only possible interlocked deps would be between libunity and dee, but not seeing a problem (enough >=, not "=" in deps) and no visible third level daily-build-next build dependencies. still, it must be something like that which causes apt to act up. [06:30] the failures all happened around the exact same time (1h ago) as the 13.05.29 of libunity got published [06:33] hum, interesting [07:17] Mirv: did you get any feedback from QA on your credentials? [07:19] hey desktopers [07:20] hey seb128 [07:20] lut didrocks [07:20] didrocks: yes, I've the additional rights now, although I haven't used them yet [07:21] Mirv: seeing your stacks, I guess it's time to use them, right? :) [07:21] Mirv: seems a UTAH issue as only failing on one config, isn't it? [07:22] didrocks: yes, exactly, time to try out. I checked it the first thing in the morning but it was actually before this day's run. [07:22] Mirv: we can move up the time if needed [07:22] Mirv: just please tell me the command you are going to use first :) [07:22] Mirv: here, you have 2 ways of "solving" it: [07:22] - either force the publication (we got the tests on one config and it was fine) [07:23] - or retry to launch the tests only [07:23] crossing fingers that UTAH will work [07:23] didrocks: the time is alright, I should just remember it's not yet there at 7am sharp. [07:23] ok :) [07:24] didrocks: so build now at the 2.2check job? (I'd have chosen to rebuild the top-most job, remembering from somewhere) [07:25] Mirv: you should use the command line tool [07:25] didrocks: I think I still can't publish with the command line tools, as they needed extra credentials, not just access rights added to the jenkins uid? [07:25] Mirv: see tha FAQ :) [07:25] ah, ok [07:25] it will always run the right job :) [07:33] Can we already use the command line tools now? ;) [07:33] sil2100: you should be :) [07:34] sil2100: do you have the cred file ready? [07:34] hey sil2100 ;) [07:34] didrocka [07:34] I mean, [07:35] morning [07:35] didrocks: I don't think so, what do I need to do to get that? [07:35] sil2100: you have the credential file example in cupstream2distro [07:35] hey sil2100 Mirv mlankhorst [07:35] hey seb128 [07:35] sil2100: you should copy it to ~/.cu2d.cred and file with name/password (used in jenkins) [07:35] hey mlankhorst [07:35] \o/ [07:36] Awesome, will do those steps now [07:36] heya [07:50] bonjour seb128, ça va ? [07:51] pitti, salut, très bien, et toi ? [07:51] seb128: un peu fatigue, mais je vais bien aussi, merci! [07:52] j'attends avec impatience le long weekend [07:52] long? [07:52] sil2100: my first command worked fine here :) [07:52] didrocks, tomorrow is an holiday in Germany [07:52] yeah, and I take Friday off (swapped with May 1st from the sprint) [07:52] seb128: and in Francany? :) [07:53] didrocks, it's one of those day I pretend to be German, of course... ;-) [07:53] seb128: that's intolerable [07:53] I'm shocked! [07:54] roh [07:54] didrocks, alright, alright, I'm going to be there ... happy? ;-) [07:54] seb128: ahah, really? :) [07:54] seb128: or just looking at us hard working? [07:55] with some beer at hand :) [07:55] didrocks, yes, we have "only 2 extra holidays", that's not one of those :p [07:55] * pitti yays and welcomes seb128 [07:55] (and sending peanuts through the barrier) [07:55] lol [07:55] ahah :) [07:56] didrocks, I'm going to watch people hit hard in a yellow ball on TV and pretend to be working like every other non rainy day this week :p I can spare some peanuts for you though ... ;-) [07:56] * seb128 hugs didrocks [07:56] * didrocks hugs seb128 back [07:58] do you guys have a preference between "one blueprint by system settings panel" or "one blueprints for all panels"? [07:58] didrocks, Laney, larsu: ^ [07:59] seb128: I would prefer one for all [07:59] that's what the indicator team did for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/indicator-backend [08:00] didrocks, one for all and maybe split some of they turn to require extra tracking/being verbose in details? [08:00] Mirv: same here \o/ [08:00] I was trying to avoid having an endless list of details on one spec [08:00] seb128: agreed [08:01] didrocks, thanks for the input ;-) [08:01] yw ;) [08:01] Mirv: sil2100: woowww! :) [08:03] hey [08:03] yeah, keeping the number down might be easier [08:03] hey Laney, good morning [08:04] Laney, good morning [08:05] sil2100: \o/ [08:54] Laney, didrocks, larsu, cyphermox, I registered https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-s-system-settings-panels and started to file it out a bit, just for info [08:55] is that different from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-s-touch-system-settings ? [08:55] maybe that's about the container thing [08:55] Laney, yes, I don't want to mix too much, the one you listed is for the container and protocol [08:56] Laney, the new one is about specific panels [08:56] seb128: thanks [08:56] ok [08:57] Laney, we might even want to split out some panels at some point if that's just too verbose to list 10+ panels detailled items on one blueprint (I already wish we could do some formatting in the WI, like at least add empty spaces to separates panels) [08:57] yeah, we'll see how verbose it gets when people split out their work items I guess [09:15] does anyone know if we have tracking by team for specific milestones on status? [09:16] we have [09:16] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-desktop-team.html [09:16] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/all-ubuntu-13.05.html [09:16] but no [09:16] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-desktop-team-13.05.html [09:16] ? [09:17] oh [09:17] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-13.05.html [09:17] ok, unping :p [09:18] didrocks, do you plan to move the remaining items for client-s-desktop-autolanding and client-1303-ubuntu-touch-porting to 13.06? do you want me to do it? [09:19] * Laney moves his one to 13.06 [09:19] seb128: client-s-desktop-autolanding is cross month, so I'll just redirect the target [09:20] didrocks, ok, I changed the 1303-ubuntu-touch target to -13.06 [09:20] seb128: client-1303-ubuntu-touch-porting is yours IRIC :) [09:20] IIRC* [09:20] yep ;) [09:20] yep [09:21] bah, jbicha uploaded a borked gtranslator [09:21] * Laney wondered why that had managed to migrate [09:21] :-( [09:21] how borked? [09:21] nothing another upload can't fix [09:21] I already had it prepared so noticed when mine got rejected [09:23] related - the 'sponge' tool is awesome [09:23] merge-changelog ../old/debian/changelog debian/changelog | sponge debian/changelog ♥ [09:27] didrocks, it seems like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-2013-05-touch-landing was not showing on the tracker by lack of "series goal: saucy", I added it (just for info and reminder that we need to check that the serie is set) [09:28] seb128: ah, thanks! [09:28] seb128: hum, I wonder if we need to retarget it [09:28] seb128: I won't do that, I'll create a new one rather [09:28] and move what's not done [09:28] didrocks, oh, I just did [09:28] buut first, meeting this evening to ensure it's updated [09:28] (obviously, it's not) [09:29] reverted [09:29] didrocks, I was going to put all the DONE under a -13.05 and list the remaining items under -13.06 [09:29] ok [09:29] wfm as well [09:29] seb128: it's not refreshed, that's why I want to handle it :) [09:29] ok, works for me [09:29] didrocks, thanks ;-) [09:29] yw :) [09:35] is there some known case where dbus-test-runner hangs consuming an entire core under sbuild? [09:35] trying to build libfriends and that's happening [09:35] Laney: is it stuck or still running? [09:35] hanging [09:35] well there's no output [09:36] so what's happening sometimes is that one of the process didn't exist [09:36] the last message is acritical saying that it can't create /run/user/1000/dconf [09:36] (a dbus-launch most of the time) [09:36] I don't think it ran any tests at all [09:36] and sbuild don't exit until all processes are exited [09:36] and normally, it stucks [09:36] but your case seems different [09:36] because this is when sbuild exit [09:36] so after all package binary creation done [09:37] yeah, the leftover process case - that's not this [09:40] let me push it and someone else can try and see if it's me [09:44] ok, no rain, let's try to run :-) [09:45] didrocks, good luck! [09:45] seb128: thanks! :) [09:48] ok, someone please try lp:~laney/libfriends/gtkspell3-3 and see if the testsuite works or not === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [09:57] Laney, 1 test passed [09:57] builds fine on my saucy install [09:59] wtf [09:59] Laney, well, that's on my normal system, not in sbuild [09:59] ah, didn't try that [10:01] still hangs - at this point I start to blame lxc :-) === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:32] In Gtk, "text links" (aka looks like clickable URLs) are "blue" instead of "orange" color on the saucy live cd. Is that intended change, or a regression/bug ? [10:42] seb128: one blueprint sounds good to me. Thanks! [10:42] larsu, good morning, great ;-) [10:42] seb128: good morning :) [10:43] * larsu yawns [10:44] larsu, 6:45 and you are already on the computer, do you try to compete with pitti on whoever wakes up first? ;-) [10:44] 6:45? pah! [10:44] lol [10:45] I don't try to compete, I just seem to be waking up earlier this week [10:45] larsu: must be that bright sun outside *smirk* [10:45] larsu, from pitti's "pah", I think you need to make some extra efforts before he even considers you as competition :p [10:45] :-( [10:45] * seb128 wants spring to come [10:45] or summer [10:46] at least today I have a good reason, we are leaving early [10:46] pitti: sadly it's raining here. Well, pouring rather :( [10:46] seb128: :D [10:46] larsu: yeah, just like Monday, today, tomorrow, Friday, and Saturday [10:46] yesterday was marvellous, but that was only a quick imtermezzo [10:46] Toronto had great weather on Monday [10:46] we had 2 nice days [10:46] it's like 4 sunny days for may [10:46] wth weather! [10:47] yesterday it rained so much before we got up that the clothes drying outside were already saturated [10:47] * larsu is just happy the snow is gone [10:47] so i've made the adult decision to just leave them out there for as long as it takes [10:47] lol [10:47] * Laney wears a potato sack [10:47] haha, awesome [10:48] does it have some pretty printing or stamp on it at least ? [10:49] ogra_: this is a picture i just took of myself http://www.nubbytwiglet.com/2011/potato_sack_dress_3.jpg [10:49] oh, you died your hair ! [10:49] awesome [10:49] corresponds nicely with the new shoes [10:50] nothing if not fashionable, me [10:50] le sac va bien avec tu! === tvoss is now known as tvoss|afk [10:53] * xnox core dumps glade with ubiquity again. [10:54] trace/bug? [10:55] seb128, we had some nice days at the weekend here. [10:55] i got ruby a trampoline on monday, and spent all afternoon assembling it [10:55] and it has rained non-stop since ;) [10:55] * chrisccoulson is seriously annoyed at that [10:55] tell you what, I did again discuss getting a bbq on Monday and that night it started raining [10:56] yeah, it started raining here just as i was finishing with the trampoline [10:56] we got too complacent [10:57] hehehe [10:57] * mlankhorst did 32 km of biking on monday eve [11:00] you are brits, aremt you supposed to like rain ? [11:00] *arent [11:00] (and be happy you didnt have snow, germany did !) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:00] stockholm syndrome === dednick is now known as dednick|lunch === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [11:11] chrisccoulson, get the trampoline in your living room? ;-) [11:11] seb128, it won't fit ;) === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [11:13] chrisccoulson, http://m.bbc.co.uk/weather/2655603 seems you might get lucky for the w.e [11:14] hum, I wonder why I landed on the mobile site from google [11:14] http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2655603 === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [11:16] seb128, SUN????? IT LIES! [11:16] :) [11:16] hehe [11:16] i hope it is dry. ruby really needs to get on that trampoline and burn some energy off [11:16] especially with it being half term this week (no pre-school) [11:16] chrisccoulson, it's a clever trick to raise your mood so you are productive at work for the end of week [11:16] heh [11:17] ;-) [11:17] haha [11:18] chrisccoulson, I see, you bought the trampoline for you, the goal is to get your daugther tired enough that you get a quiet evening! :p [11:18] so much for summer :( [11:18] hah, yes, that's the plan :) [11:18] ;-) [11:18] czajkowski, i'm beginning to think that we might not ever see a summer again [11:19] * chrisccoulson knows how to make people really depressed [11:19] Monday was fab yesterday it rained all day long :( poor chickens looked like large drowned rats [11:22] * didrocks really thinks we should declare this weather illegal and be done with it [11:24] didrocks: I agree [11:24] law is a answer for everything :) [11:24] it's weird growing up, we al thought it was hotter in the UK than in Ireland, so far this theory doesn't hold true since I moved here! [11:24] or is it "metaclass" the right answer? [11:24] ahah :) [11:43] seb128: on saucy, gnome-terminal, go to any tab but the first, change size, click on (chromium) browser window that runs in background, gnome-terminal size flips back to what it was before [11:44] hum, right [11:44] is that new? [11:44] yeah see this on both computers ... seems to be just related to unfocus [11:44] not sure... just upgraded to saucy [11:44] surely new compared to raring :) [11:45] k, I will try to figure out what upgrade broke it [11:45] Laney, ^ could it be vte? [11:45] doubt it but i suppose it's not impossible [11:45] 'size' meaning window geometry? [11:45] right [11:46] doesn't reproduce for me if so [11:46] are you in second tab in gnome-terminal? resize the window with mouse ... click outside the terminal window somewhere ... and size flips back here [11:46] yes [11:46] oh, maybe i'm on g-t 3.8 though [11:46] odd if you don't see it :) [11:46] I am :-) [11:46] * Laney downgrades [11:47] so its gt? [11:47] :) [11:47] ah yes, there it is [11:47] so fixed by upgrading gnome-terminal [11:47] Laney: hmm. did gnome-terminal not yet change compared to raring? [11:48] no, but vte and gtk did which could have done something [11:48] kk [11:48] anyway if you want the new one faster go and ask doko about https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697475 [11:49] seb128: note that I did not try to rebuild LO on armhf with the new toolchain yet, after all LO itself didnt change much. OTOH, compilers might have special needs on e.g. armhf. [11:49] Gnome bug 697475 in general "New tab is not opened in same directory as previous tab" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:49] I figure if people keep pinging him then he'll make some time to look at it :P [11:49] i have no strong feelings about the new one :) [11:49] Sweetsha1k, ok [11:49] think this bug would be good to understand though [11:49] maybe it has other unpleasant effects on more important parts of desktop etc. [11:50] I would say it's more likely to be a gnome-terminal bug [11:50] * Laney has a look [11:52] Laney: what is doko supposed to do there? [11:52] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/commit/?id=611e93f2f8c0c18ed8d365ecb850258e8d5c9c12 [11:52] Laney: so thgat means it was in raring too? [11:52] we don't know how to get vte.sh sourced in non-login shells [11:52] interesting that i didnt notice for all that time :) [11:52] but is possible [11:53] Laney: why do you need that? [11:53] seems like it [11:53] asac: it's required for the thing where new tabs stay in the same directory that you're currently in [11:53] ok... how was that done before? [11:53] I suppose it's not a /blocker/ but people do use/like it [11:53] don't know [11:53] sure i like it :) ... its a blocker [11:54] maybe gnome-terminal should revert to previous approach :) [11:54] wonder if there is really a need to innovate in that area [11:55] it's a bit annoying but I don't know that it's a fight worth having [11:55] *shrug* ... just dont understand why folks would do changes that requires something that they dont know how to do :) [11:56] it works on fedora™ [11:56] ic [11:56] (because there they source /etc/profile.d/* for non-login shells too) [11:57] do we need a new terminal? [11:57] :) [11:57] i think it works pretty good as is [11:57] yeah [11:57] not if you like backporting patches [11:57] i think checking why they do that and why we don't would be good [11:57] right, that's the doko question [11:57] what type of patches would we expect? [11:58] that we want? beyond such one liner bugs like the commit above [11:58] well, for example the new version ports from the deprecated gconf to gsettings === tvoss|afk is now known as tvoss [11:59] Laney, asac: in 3.8 gnome-terminal was split into gnome-terminal-server and gnome-terminal (client), I think this is the reason [12:00] probably some parts can't communicate any more [12:02] was that done to allow remote/over-the-wire terminal hacking? like screen/bip etc.? [12:02] or just an architecture uplevel? [12:02] maybe… now all processes you run (including bash) have gnome-terminal-server as a parent, not gnome-terminal [12:02] gnome-terminal-server? does it support vt100s? [12:03] this also means that if something gets wrong with gnome-terminal, processes won't be killed [12:03] and you can reconnect? [12:03] really like bip [12:05] I don't see anything like that in the UI [12:08] * mitya57 can find only: --disable-factory: Do not register with the activation nameserver, do not re-use an active terminal === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:36] Laney: the only explanation I found for the vte.sh idea was https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/commit/?id=cf3cad87 [12:38] jbicha: interesting, thanks for the find === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:59] Unity QML in archive (Unity Next) [12:59] that was forecasted to happen in early jun [12:59] is that still the forecast? [12:59] seb128: ? [13:00] didrocks: ? [13:00] asac, didrocks probably knows better but probably not "early" in any case [13:00] ok, but 13.06 is still the goal it feels [13:00] :) [13:01] asac, we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-s-unity8-on-desktop targetted at 13.07 [13:01] asac, we will need to land Mir in the archive first [13:01] asac: we need MIR first, and this is getting delayed [13:02] asac: so need to sync up with kgunn first, and that's planned this week [13:02] ok [13:03] didrocks: is he usually around on this channel>? [13:03] kgunn? [13:03] asac: I don't think so, rather #ubuntu-unity [13:03] or #ubuntu-mir [13:03] as well :) [13:03] he just left to reboot though [13:03] he should be back in a minute [13:03] not interested in the desktop :) [13:03] hehe [13:03] kk [13:04] heh :) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:34] Mirv: sil2100: cyphermox: kenvandine: reminder, team meeting today, same time than the usual one :) [13:34] didrocks, ok === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:02] sure [14:06] didrocks: I'll be on, although while mobile for a moment ;) [14:32] Trevinho, bregma, hey [14:32] do you know what's happening with the libunity-dev unity 7.0 mismatch? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:47] didrocks: regading the python-evdev packaging - I uploaded some fixes now [14:47] didrocks: but... we'll be actually rebasing on a new version [14:48] didrocks: someone made a review of the package in debian and some upstream fixes were needed, so the developer wants to release a new upstream version with all the fixes [14:48] didrocks: we will then be also changeing the source package name [14:48] didrocks: since now it's evdev, but he'll release it as python-evdev (the tarball) [14:49] sil2100: oh, I already uploaded to ubuntu [14:49] sil2100: it's in NEW [14:50] sil2100: let me reject it [14:50] done === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:55] didrocks: awesome! He'll be uploading the tarball soon, so I guess the realistical date for it to get uploaded again would be tomorrow ;) [14:55] But I'll prepare everything and poke you to pull the packages then! [14:57] ok :) [15:05] * Laney holds cyphermox [15:05] eds transitions are pure pain - I now admire you for doing it before [15:10] how come evolution-indicator is PS but is also distropatched quite a lot? [15:21] sil2100: sounds nice! [15:26] Laney, that's what happens when you can't get review from "upstream" (or when nobody wants to claim ownership) [15:26] Laney, I though cyphermox got most of the patches merged last cycle though? [15:26] moo? [15:27] Laney: transition, so you mean everything outside of eds/evo right? [15:27] like, gnome-panel and the like? [15:27] yeah all of that [15:27] stay tuned, if we end up updating evo more than once this cycle like usual... [15:27] seb128: apparently not [15:28] what patches were those? [15:28] we ended up removing more stuff than actually patching though [15:28] like porting to 3.6 and some others [15:28] Laney, outdated/wrong vcs? [15:28] and I thought I actually sent those to bts :/ [15:28] ah, https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/evolution-indicator/apply-patches/+merge/134922 [15:28] err [15:28] evolution-indicator is special [15:29] there's a bunch of stuff in trunk now [15:29] actually, everything should be in trunk [15:29] don't think so [15:44] Laney, fginther is going to update the jenkins jobs for those CI failures [15:45] r0x0r [15:45] can I/you upload libfriends in the meantime? [15:45] it's the last thing for the transition (and will make the job go manual anyway due to packaging changes?) [15:46] Laney, sure [15:46] kenvandine: sweet [15:59] o/ [15:59] cyphermox: kenvandine: sil2100: Mirv: hey guys! [15:59] delayed team meeting now! :-) [15:59] o/ [16:00] here, although typong a bit slowly [16:00] hello [16:00] I hope everything's fine guys! [16:00] sil2100: typoing slowly! :) [16:00] ok, let's try to get this done :-) [16:01] everyone updated on https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dHFtUmlPOUtCRk8zR2dtaEpIbUVhMmc&pli=1#gid=0 ? [16:01] yes, more or less o/ [16:01] I decided to mark the saucy/raring 5.0.2 megaitem as done, no need to expand it forever [16:01] tbh, nothing I can update atm; I've been only on ofono stuff [16:01]