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jodh | o/ | 15:01 |
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slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
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slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 15:02 |
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slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu) | 15:02 |
slangasek | jodh barry slangasek ev stgraber stokachu cjwatson bdmurray doko xnox | 15:02 |
* slangasek starts the stopwatch | 15:02 | |
jodh | * misc: | 15:03 |
jodh | - Bank Holiday Monday and half day Tuesday. | 15:03 |
jodh | - Fix for Upstart logger bug reported by stgraber now committed. | 15:03 |
jodh | - Registered for DebConf13 and arranged travel. | 15:03 |
jodh | - Reworked | 15:03 |
jodh | lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/saucy/sysvinit/log-processes-and-open-files-on-shutdown. | 15:03 |
jodh | - Reworked lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/serialise-remaining-objects. | 15:03 |
jodh | - Reworking lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/allow-multiple-cmdline-confdirs | 15:03 |
jodh | based on feedback from stgraber to allow some actual init | 15:03 |
jodh | command-line tests to be written. | 15:03 |
jodh | * foundations-1305-upstart-app-launching | 15:03 |
jodh | - Raised MP for lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/libupstart | 15:03 |
jodh | - Merged lp:~mdeslaur/upstart/apparmor-support. | 15:03 |
jodh | ⫸ | 15:03 |
jodh | 15:03 | |
barry | short week due to usa holiday monday | 15:03 |
barry | merges, updates, patch piloting: codespeak-lib, pytest, pyflakes3, zope.interfaces, natilus-python | 15:03 |
barry | bugs: lp: #1173704, lp: #1069019 (reviewed), lp: #1170017 (continuing) | 15:03 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1173704 in python-imaging (Ubuntu Raring) "PILcompat needs to add PngImagePlugin" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173704 | 15:03 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1069019 in python-apt (Ubuntu Saucy) "[software-properties-gtk] can not delete, enable or modify any software source with non-ASCII characters in the comment" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069019 | 15:04 |
barry | image based upgrades: catchup w/lifeless & stgraber. gpg regime discussion | 15:04 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1170017 in nautilus-python "nautilus-python fails to load on 64-bit systems: g_module_open libpython failed: No such file or directory" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1170017 | 15:04 |
barry | todo: continue implementation of new gpg regime | 15:04 |
barry | done | 15:04 |
slangasek | * short week due to Memorial Day in the US | 15:04 |
slangasek | * slow week, still recovering from plane plague | 15:04 |
slangasek | * reviews finished | 15:04 |
slangasek | * new skype uploaded to partner | 15:04 |
slangasek | * DebConf travel plans all sorted out | 15:04 |
slangasek | * LPC travel plans to be finalized this week | 15:04 |
slangasek | * fixed sysvinit regression (invoke-rc.d) cascading from a fix to debhelper to make sure we actually call invoke-rc.d for packages that ship an upstart job but not an initscript; this unfortunately broke builds for a day | 15:04 |
slangasek | (done) | 15:05 |
ev | - Worked with Katherine and Neil to get the NDA for https://errors.ubuntu.com | 15:05 |
ev | written and published: | 15:05 |
ev | https://forms.canonical.com/reports/ | 15:05 |
ev | - Drafted an announcement of the NDA to ubuntu-devel@.u.c. Waiting on some peer | 15:05 |
ev | review from Matthew. | 15:05 |
ev | - Created a package that purposefully fails in its postinst, creating an apport | 15:05 |
ev | package installation failure report. Modified apport-test-crashes to install | 15:05 |
ev | this in a fakechroot and include the apport report in its output. I just need | 15:05 |
ev | to add this to the integration test now. | 15:05 |
ev | - Simplified the design of our Tarmac machinery. It was taking too long to | 15:05 |
ev | cover all the corner cases in tearing down the world with each deployment | 15:05 |
ev | attempt. Instead, we start with a deployed set of charms and the Tarmac | 15:05 |
ev | instance uses the upgrade-charm functionality (that we created for use in | 15:05 |
ev | stagingstack) to deploy the code from the MP. | 15:05 |
ev | - Finished the above and deployed it. It works \o/: | 15:05 |
ev | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daisy-pluckers/daisy/trunk/revision/349 | 15:05 |
ev | - Investigating the creation of a "What's unusual about this error?" section to | 15:06 |
ev | the problem page: | 15:06 |
ev | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#A.2BIBw-What.2BIBk-s_unusual_about_this_error.2BIB0- | 15:06 |
ev | Started work on surfacing common dependencies between the instances as a | 15:06 |
ev | first pass. This will help us identify cases where the bug exists in the | 15:06 |
ev | library, not the binary its surfacing in. Discussions with Matthew on what | 15:06 |
ev | defines the "rate for matching machines" and whether this is better than a | 15:06 |
ev | simple percentage of the total instances. | 15:06 |
ev | Blocked: | 15:06 |
ev | - The webops team has been sprinting in the weeks since UDS as training for the | 15:06 |
ev | move to squads. This has meant that all non-critical tickets are on hold. | 15:06 |
ev | - We're also stuck by the Cassandra cluster not having enough free disk space | 15:06 |
ev | for compaction. Tickets that create new data, such as back-population jobs, | 15:06 |
ev | are on hold until this is resolved: | 15:06 |
ev | https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=61432 | 15:06 |
ev | - Due to the way I constructed our oops.canonical.com support, we're blocked on | 15:06 |
ev | further deployments of lp:errors until the RT lands: | 15:06 |
ev | https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=61393 | 15:06 |
ev | Misc: | 15:06 |
ev | - I attended a talk last night by Russel Winder on how Go and D stack up | 15:06 |
ev | against Python: | 15:06 |
ev | http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/nosql/are-go-and-d-threats-to-python/mh-7418 | 15:06 |
ev | I don't think it's worth the language wars that would follow a trip report, | 15:06 |
ev | nor was there a lot of meat in there for the canonical-tech crowd, but I was | 15:06 |
ev | surprised to see that Go's error handling is enforced by policy, not code. | 15:06 |
ev | Unlike exception-based languages, you end up with the whole thing blowing up | 15:06 |
ev | some distance from where the error actually occurred. Julian does a better | 15:06 |
ev | job of explaining it: | 15:06 |
ev | http://bigjools.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/error-handling-in-go/ | 15:06 |
ev | That said, it seems like an interesting enough language for server workloads, | 15:06 |
ev | assuming it gets a some mature batteries. | 15:06 |
ev | - I'm 6 today: | 15:06 |
ev | https://pastebin.canonical.com/91771/ | 15:06 |
ev | (done) | 15:06 |
stgraber | Blueprint-related work: | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Image based updates (BLUEPRINT: foundations-1305-image-based-updates) | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Waiting on review of the GPG implementation plan, need to get the keys generated and signed after that. | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Waiting for IS to setup the image based update server. | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Fixed a couple of bugs in the image diffing tool, adding a proper test suite now. | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Discussion with lifeless and barry. | 15:07 |
stgraber | Other work: | 15:07 |
stgraber | - release/cdimage | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Wrote a new rebuild-requests tool to query any pending rebuild from the ISO tracker. | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Started integrating this with the actual build process so we can cron that thing. | 15:07 |
stgraber | - Smaller code change to the tracker to automatically mark a rebuild request as done when a new version is pushed (manually or through the API). | 15:08 |
stgraber | - LXC | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Pushed C implementation of get_ips in LXC API, dropped the python implementation and update the bindings | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Fixed LXC in saucy to install properly on a device with network bridges available in the kernel (touch devices). | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Answered some #ubuntu-phone question for the container flip, things appear to be going well | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Answered some questions from the QA/desktop team on using LXC for their desktop tests | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Drafted the implementation of container autostart upstream (to replace the Ubuntu-specific implementation) | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Updated the build/testing server to build on saucy and add armhf builds to the mix | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Various discussions and code reviews for major upstream changes needed for LXC 1.0 | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Merged gnupg2, installation-report, openvpn, ifenslave-2.6 and nfs-utils (waiting on testing from slangasek for that last one) | 15:08 |
stgraber | - SRUed isc-dhcp to precise and lucid to allow both to be used as containers on saucy (required backporting the UDP checksum offloading patch) | 15:08 |
stgraber | 15:08 | |
stgraber | TODO: | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Finish self-rebuilds feature implementation on nusakan | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Implement some of the remaining bits for the image based update server tools | 15:08 |
slangasek | stgraber: ack, will test nfs-utils today | 15:08 |
stgraber | - Process some pending merges (ifupdown and resolvconf) | 15:08 |
stgraber | (DONE) | 15:08 |
stgraber | slangasek: thanks | 15:08 |
slangasek | testing these things would be easier if someone could explain to me why my kernel is holding 1.5GB of memory for disk caches that it will never free | 15:09 |
slangasek | well. a *lot* of things would be easier if that were the case | 15:09 |
slangasek | ev: "tickets that create new data" - does that block anything for phased updates? bdmurray? | 15:10 |
bdmurray | slangasek: yes | 15:10 |
slangasek | blast - ok. | 15:10 |
bdmurray | although it may not be critical as it is the count of systems that have experienced a crash | 15:10 |
slangasek | well, ticket #61432 already has "priority 20000", that's probably good enough :P | 15:11 |
bdmurray | and actually its backfilling data so not important for packages entering -updates | 15:11 |
ev | bdmurray: you might have some luck if you raise your ticket with the vanguard, as he was correcting my statement that we're blocked by the sprint :) | 15:11 |
slangasek | oh, and stokachu is out this morning, and cjwatson is off today | 15:12 |
slangasek | so, bdmurray: | 15:12 |
bdmurray | submitted RT regarding backfill of bucketsystems | 15:12 |
bdmurray | further work on phased-updater code | 15:12 |
bdmurray | submitted merge proposal regarding sru-review | 15:12 |
bdmurray | review of slangasek's change to sru-review | 15:12 |
bdmurray | review of pending SRUs for errors bucket information | 15:12 |
bdmurray | wrote blog post regarding SRU verification | 15:12 |
bdmurray | release of recently verified SRUs (possibly due to blog posting) | 15:12 |
bdmurray | fixed apport-symptoms bug regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader (LP: #1173913) | 15:12 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1173913 in apport-symptoms (Ubuntu Raring) "bugreporting for ubuntu-release-upgrader is struggling on naming issue" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173913 | 15:12 |
bdmurray | investigation into bug 1180034 | 15:12 |
ubottu | bug 1180034 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "backend_helper.py wants update-manager" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180034 | 15:12 |
bdmurray | trying to fix / test bug 1069019 | 15:12 |
ubottu | bug 1069019 in python-apt (Ubuntu Saucy) "[software-properties-gtk] can not delete, enable or modify any software source with non-ASCII characters in the comment" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069019 | 15:12 |
bdmurray | review of DuplicateSignatures for saucy apport-package bug reports | 15:12 |
bdmurray | merged apport bug fix for bug 1184121 regarding duplicate signature for package install failures | 15:12 |
ubottu | bug 1184121 in apport (Ubuntu) "package kio-audiocd (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/audiocd.desktop', which is also in package audiocd-kio 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1184121 | 15:12 |
bdmurray | modified bugbot to deal with corrupt pyc files | 15:12 |
bdmurray | fixed bugbot issue with apport crashdb on cranberry | 15:13 |
bdmurray | ␗ done | 15:13 |
slangasek | stgraber: image-based update server> I did update the ticket with deadline+priority, but based on what ev's said I guess this ticket is not going to move for a few weeks. Is that holding anything up for you? | 15:14 |
slangasek | stgraber: and thanks for getting the ifupdown merge; I meant to ask you if that was safe for me to do or if you wanted it held off | 15:14 |
barry | bdmurray, doko think it's time to sru lp: #1058884 ? | 15:14 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1058884 in python3.3 (Ubuntu Raring) "Race condition in py_compile corrupts pyc files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058884 | 15:14 |
doko | barry, I think it doesn't do any harm | 15:15 |
doko | another question if it will help ... | 15:15 |
slangasek | from the profile of that bug report, I suspect it will | 15:15 |
slangasek | so, +1 from me for SRUing | 15:16 |
bdmurray | barry: sounds good to me | 15:16 |
slangasek | are there any python SRUs currently stuck in the queue? Hmm, I would check this but pending-sru report is broken at the moment - doh | 15:16 |
barry | yep, good, i'll get that started. doko did i see that you got the same patch into debian? | 15:16 |
bdmurray | I believe there are / were | 15:16 |
doko | yes, there are still some 2.7 ones | 15:16 |
doko | or 3.2? | 15:16 |
stgraber | slangasek: ifupdown is always a pain to merge but I know where the problems tend to be so figure it'd be a lot faster for me to do it | 15:17 |
stgraber | slangasek: so we need the server and the GPG keys online and ready by end of June if we want to respect our deadlines | 15:17 |
stgraber | slangasek: it's not preventing developement of the other bits as we're using phablet.stgraber.org currently which has a valid SSL certificate and can be used with barry's code | 15:17 |
slangasek | stgraber: ok. I'll make sure to revisit this with IS in the sync call next week, then. | 15:17 |
slangasek | doko: your turn | 15:18 |
barry | stgraber: did you fill out the /gpg tree? | 15:18 |
doko | - android cross toolchain (wanted to upload today, let's see if this works out) | 15:18 |
doko | - preparing and testing gcc 4.8.1 release, looking at http://bugs.debian.org/710220, starte | 15:18 |
doko | d an archive search for saucy | 15:18 |
doko | - binutils trunk update in the ubuntu-toolchain-r/test ppa, waiting on feedback from the ke | 15:18 |
doko | rnel team | 15:18 |
doko | - python3.3 update, consolidating maintainer scripts | 15:18 |
ubottu | Debian bug 710220 in libstdc++6 "libstdc++6: 4.8.0-8 upgrade breaks system_clock" [Important,Open] | 15:18 |
doko | (done) | 15:18 |
stgraber | barry: was actually hoping to hear back from you on the changes I did on the wiki. If everything looks good to you, I'll go ahead and do the changes to phablet.stgraber.org | 15:19 |
xnox | * boost1.53 is finished (less than 17 ftbfs packages left to be | 15:19 |
xnox | resolved in Debian, libreoffice update is being prepared by bjorn) | 15:19 |
xnox | * merged updated fuse, fuse-utils package renamed to fuse (and | 15:19 |
xnox | transition reverse-deps to the new name) | 15:19 |
xnox | * pushed some of ubuntu's d-i delta back to debian, and merged back to | 15:19 |
xnox | ubuntu. | 15:19 |
xnox | * merged and uploaded ubuntu1 plugin for ubiquity, but disabled by | 15:19 |
xnox | default. Can be activated with --sso flag. Prepared instructions for | 15:19 |
xnox | design team review of the changes. | 15:19 |
xnox | * Reviewed changes to ubuntu-geonames service from Liam Young, he is | 15:19 |
xnox | working on charming geonames to work on prod-stack (from IS sprint) | 15:19 |
xnox | * Still have ~40 TIL merges left as per MoM, which I hope to resolve | 15:19 |
xnox | (ideally by syncing ;-)) | 15:19 |
xnox | * In-progress adding logind support to ubiquity, I correctly receive | 15:19 |
xnox | seat&session, yet ubiquity doesn't start-up under logind yet. | 15:19 |
barry | stgraber: ack. i'll get back to you on that later today | 15:19 |
xnox | * Booked travel for DebConf13 | 15:19 |
xnox | done. | 15:19 |
stgraber | barry: IIRc changes are mostly format of the keyrings, blacklist keyring, format change of channels.json and some changes on what's using detached signatures vs in-line signatures | 15:19 |
slangasek | xnox: "doesn't start up under logind" - hmm, what does that mean? | 15:21 |
xnox | slangasek: still investigating, ubiquity-dm terminates and doesn't give much useful output. will crank up dbus logging to see what is preventing ubiquity from opening a logind session. | 15:23 |
slangasek | xnox: ok | 15:24 |
slangasek | any other questions over the above? | 15:24 |
xnox | slangasek: now that we have upstart-usersessions, I wonder if ubiquity should simply be a user-job which simply starts up before unity & blocks it. | 15:24 |
slangasek | xnox: mmm, no idea - maybe stgraber has some thoughts on that | 15:25 |
stgraber | xnox: we don't have upstart usersesssion for !ubuntu | 15:25 |
xnox | (if that is possible, it's more of a wondering). Also since there is no pam session initiated, there is also no XDG_RUNTIME and etc. variables. | 15:26 |
xnox | (XDG_RUNTIME_DIR that is) | 15:26 |
stgraber | if we had, we indeed could ship a "start on starting xsession-init and dbus" job which would start ubiquity | 15:26 |
slangasek | you could theoretically split the binary package for user-session activation vs. system activation | 15:27 |
slangasek | though that could make for some unpleasant bit rot on the system activation case | 15:27 |
stgraber | indeed. I'm not sure what's the benefit though if we end up having to maintain the two (sure, the flavours would be responsible for ubiquity-dm, but in the end we'll still be the ones reviewing those and fixing quite a few of the bugs I expect) | 15:28 |
slangasek | right, except perhaps in encouraging the flavors to move to upstart user sessions sooner? | 15:29 |
slangasek | but anyway - probably a conversation for another time and place | 15:29 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Bugs | 15:29 |
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slangasek | bdmurray: any bugs you've not gotten answers on already? | 15:29 |
bdmurray | oh, bug 1094218 received an interesting comment | 15:30 |
stgraber | I can probably quickly look into what would be needed to get kde, lxde and xfce to use user sessions. I don't think it's much more than a single upstart job that starts the right *-session binary | 15:30 |
ubottu | bug 1094218 in lsb (Ubuntu) "lsb_release crashed with IOError in getstatusoutput(): [Errno 10] No child processes (called by teamviewerd)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094218 | 15:30 |
barry | bdmurray: i still have a browser tab open on that one. i haven't looked closely, but a cursory look was a bit mysterious | 15:31 |
bdmurray | barry: a look at the last comment? | 15:32 |
slangasek | it's a bit speculative | 15:32 |
slangasek | "there may be a SIGCHLD handling bug in python" - sure, there may | 15:32 |
slangasek | but the pipe code has been there a while, how has nobody hit this before? | 15:33 |
slangasek | barry, doko: anyway, it might be worth one of you having a look at os.popen() vs. http://bugs.python.org/issue9127 | 15:33 |
barry | yeah, if sys.stderr is closed or otherwise unavailable, that would probably cause the crash. | 15:33 |
slangasek | ah | 15:33 |
slangasek | sys.stderr being closed seems quite plausible here | 15:34 |
slangasek | and I guess reproducing that requires actually closing stderr, not just redirecting to /dev/null :) | 15:35 |
slangasek | (not sure of a good way to test that from shell) | 15:35 |
slangasek | anyway | 15:35 |
slangasek | barry: will you follow up? | 15:35 |
barry | slangasek: yeppers | 15:37 |
slangasek | great, thanks | 15:37 |
slangasek | bdmurray: anything else? | 15:37 |
slangasek | ... assuming not :) | 15:38 |
bdmurray | slangasek: nope | 15:38 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:38 |
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slangasek | bdmurray: ok, thanks :) | 15:39 |
slangasek | anything else new and exciting? | 15:39 |
stgraber | did I ever mention how much I hate ubuntu-release-upgrader? It's now my 5th try at building a source package. I "think" I've got all the needed packages installed on my system now... | 15:40 |
slangasek | stgraber: are you using bzr bd? | 15:40 |
stgraber | yep | 15:40 |
barry | stgraber: i feel your pain | 15:40 |
slangasek | hmm, this package is missing the bzr-builddeb integration hook! | 15:40 |
slangasek | did someone forget to add that when splitting from update-manager? | 15:41 |
stgraber | it just annoys me that this package has more dependencies to build a source package than it has to actually build the binaries :) | 15:41 |
slangasek | yeah | 15:41 |
stgraber | slangasek: it has the hook, pre-build.sh is being called by bzr bd | 15:41 |
slangasek | stgraber: the pre-build.sh should prompt you for all the build-deps in one go, AFAICS | 15:41 |
slangasek | and if it's not doing that, update the dpkg-checkbuilddeps line :) | 15:41 |
bdmurray | I think infinity had mentioned one was missing at the sprint | 15:41 |
stgraber | slangasek: it does for what's needed by the testsuite, then the source package fails to build 5min later because you also need all the build-deps apparently | 15:42 |
bdmurray | or he fixed one | 15:42 |
slangasek | looks like he did, yes | 15:42 |
slangasek | stgraber: oh; I was assuming you'd done 'sudo mk-build-deps -i -r' or equivalent before calling bzr bd, too :) | 15:43 |
slangasek | anywayz | 15:43 |
slangasek | stgraber: thanks for fixing invoke-rc.d :) | 15:43 |
stgraber | slangasek: most if not all packages I maintain don't depend on half the world just to build a source package ;) | 15:43 |
stgraber | anyway, I apparently just got a source package, let's see if I can build that thing and test it somehow | 15:44 |
slangasek | heh | 15:44 |
slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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slangasek | thanks, all! | 15:44 |
barry | thanks! | 15:44 |
jodh | thanks | 15:44 |
stgraber | thanks! | 15:44 |
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