[02:22] <Noskcaj_school> Has a bug been made for a transmission testcase?
[02:30] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj_school, there was one
[02:31] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj_school, look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1115655
[02:31] <Noskcaj_school> ok, i'll try an autopilot when i get home
[02:33] <SergioMeneses> Noskcaj_school, perfect! take care
[03:32] <pitti> Good morning
[08:42] <DanChapman> Anyone about this morning?
[08:44] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, this evening, and yes
[08:45] <Noskcaj> howard would be normally, but he has exams
[08:46] <DanChapman> Ahh hey Noskcaj, do you have familiarity with python? Im currently working on a fileroller autopilot test. And for the life of me can't find a way to delete a tar ball or any type of archive for that matter.
[08:47] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, i don't have much experience. i recommend you ask one of the devs or put it on stackexchange. also, make sure ever revision is up on LP
[08:48] <DanChapman> ok cool, thanks Noskcaj
[08:52] <brendand> DanChapman, os.unlink doesn't work?
[08:52] <brendand> DanChapman, did you try that?
[08:53] <DanChapman> ooo ill try that :)
[08:54] <brendand> DanChapman, it definitely should. nothing special about a tarball
[08:54] <brendand> DanChapman, if it doesn't work then let me know
[08:57] <DanChapman> brendand, still not working
[08:57] <DanChapman> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '~/fr_autopilot_test_archive.tar.bz2 '
[08:59] <brendand> DanChapman, yeah - python doesn't automatically understand ~/
[09:00] <DanChapman> even without ~/ brendand its still the same
[09:00] <brendand> DanChapman, i think it's os.path.expandpath
[09:00] <brendand> DanChapman, and the script is run from the same directory as the .bz2 file?
[09:02] <brendand> DanChapman, well try 'os.unlink(os.path.expanduser('~/fr_autopilot_test_archive.tar.bz2'))'
[09:16] <DanChapman> brendand that sorted it thankyou :D
[09:17] <brendand> DanChapman, btw if you copied the error directly from the terminal, i should also point out you can't have spaces at the end of the filename (i don't think) ;)
[09:17] <brendand> DanChapman, glad i could help
[10:47] <DanChapman> pitti, am i able to relaunch an application during an autopilot test. In fileroller i need to open an archive, but first i need to create an archive, close the window then relaunch so i can open the created archive. Can i just call self.setUp()?
[10:49] <pitti> DanChapman: I don't know what AutopilotTestCase.setUp() does, I think it's safer to just call self.launch_test_application() again
[10:50] <DanChapman> pitti, ok will give it a go
[14:44] <DanChapman> balloons, have done those changes to fire-roller and it seems to be in good shape now. Am now working on changes to evince. Get rid of those horrid keyboard navigations :S
[15:05] <asac> doanac: who is the master of the tests?
[15:05] <asac> in QA te4am?
[15:05] <asac> e.g. who decides what tests to integrate, what to run where etc.?
[15:06] <doanac> asac: i think gema owns that
[15:10] <balloons> DanChapman, howdy..
[15:11] <DanChapman> yo :D
[15:11] <balloons> ok, I can review them again.. file-roller should be good to go now. I had trouble with evince. Probably because of all the keyboard navigation.. lots of tests failed for me
[15:13] <DanChapman> Yeah im cutting out as much keyboard as possible in evince,
[15:13] <balloons> :-)
[17:23] <DanChapman> balloons, in what situation would you use AutopilotTestCase.pick_app_launcher? Ive only just noticed it in the docs and wasnt sure as you can give launch_test_application a path if required.
[17:25] <DanChapman> oops you cant giv launch_test_app a path. :S my bad
[17:26] <DanChapman> But does it return a proxy object with introsepection data available through pick_app_launcher?
[17:45] <balloons> DanChapman, I've never used pick_app_launcher, so I don't think I can say :-)
[17:46] <DanChapman> balloons, ok no worries.  I'll leave it for a day i might need it :-)
[17:54] <balloons> the pad is looking good.. we're close to completing the conversions :)
[17:55] <knome> balloons, did you get to look at my merge proposal?
[17:55] <balloons> knome, it's on the list for today :-)
[17:55] <knome> oki
[17:55] <knome> tell me if you need help
[17:55] <balloons> just finishing up some migration work
[17:55] <knome> (i'm a bit sick but should be able to answer questions :P)
[17:55] <balloons> knome, sorry to hear that :-( But thank you!
[17:56] <knome> np. fortunately i can take some days off work, would be much worse if i couldn't
[18:01] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah, pad is filling up now, hopefully we could have them all converted before the next hackfest :D
[18:01] <knome> what converted?
[18:02] <DanChapman> knome, porting autopilot tests to 1.3
[18:02] <knome> aha
[18:02] <knome> won't touch those! ;)
[18:02] <DanChapman> :D
[18:04] <balloons> knome, hehe.. they're not SO bad
[18:04] <knome> no, but i don't understand python and don't intend to
[18:07] <balloons> knome, ahh, I gotcha.
[18:07] <balloons> In that regard, I'm glad you have web skills :-)
[18:08] <knome> we all got to compensate for our lacking pythong skills somehow ;)
[19:01] <DanChapman> Hi Letozaf
[19:02] <Letozaf_> Hi DanChapman
[19:03] <Letozaf_> DanChapman, howzit ?
[19:04] <DanChapman> Yeah not bad feel a bit wacked now though, you? any luck with gedit?
[19:05] <Letozaf_> DanChapman, I'm quite fine, I'm going to look at gedit now, yesterday night was late and went to bed :p
[19:06] <Letozaf_> DanChapman, anyway balloons told me to let go the INS and OVR stuff and so probably it won't take long to propose to merge
[19:06] <balloons> :-)
[19:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, hey
[19:06] <DanChapman> personally i had never even noticed it changed down in that corner anyway.
[19:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, :p
[19:06] <balloons> I'm running a bit behind on all the merge proposal's :-)
[19:07] <balloons> I'm trying to archive off the raring stats and push out the saucy version
[19:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah, well it's nice to hear you're running behind the merge proposals, means there are a lot :p
[19:09] <balloons> hehe.. yes a good problem to have!
[19:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, by the way do you want me to fix the gedit test and re-submit a merge or what ?
[19:11] <DanChapman> balloons, Letozaf_, have either of you ever been able to introspect the global menu? My mouse just won't go to it at the moment and get screen flicker
[19:12] <DanChapman> it shows up in vis, so i would of thought its possibel
[19:12] <Letozaf_> DanChapman, never tried
[19:13] <balloons> DanChapman, indeed, never tried
[19:13] <balloons> keyboard shortcuts should work well enough if needed..
[19:13] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes certainly
[19:13] <balloons> and don't forget you can help by reviewing other merge proposals.. I don't have to be the only one ;-)
[19:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will fix gedit an then have a look
[19:16] <phillw> balloons: is this news worthy? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/05/intel-linux-graphics-installer.html
[19:16] <DanChapman> I will keep trying, there must be a way, it would be good to test that the menu items are there and work i suppose. But will resort to keyboard if needed
[19:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, should I leave the _find stuff commented in the gedit test or remove it ?
[19:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, meh, remove it as it's really just debugging stuff
[19:27] <balloons> ohh.. you wanted to leave it in as a comment..
[19:27] <balloons> hmm.. yea, I still think keeping the source clean is probably for the best, what do you think?
[19:28] <knome> balloons, do you see something what i don't see?
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think keeping the source clean is best
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, too much confusion otherwise
[19:29] <balloons> Letozaf_, k, we both agree then :=_
[19:29] <balloons> knome, what do you mean?
[19:29] <knome> balloons, it looked like you had a discussion with somebody i didn't see :P
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, :p
[19:30] <knome> and what kind of smiley is ":=_" ?
[19:30] <knome> :D
[19:30] <balloons> shift+0
[19:30] <knome> =
[19:31] <balloons> type too fast and shift one key to the right and :-) becomes :=_
[19:31] <knome> hehe
[19:31] <knome> ? for me there... weird US kb layout people ;)
[19:32] <knome> i'm off for nwo
[19:32] <knome> *now
[19:32] <knome> hf
[19:37] <DanChapman> Right folks i need to eat, bib
[19:38] <Letozaf_> DanChapman, bon apetit :D
[20:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, I took a look at ubuntu-autopilot-tests merge proposals, but there are only two from Dan that he has to fix and the other is mine, so I will see if I can port some other test to autopilot 1.3
[20:01] <balloons> Letozaf_, kk
[20:17] <Noskcaj> Letozaf_, did you ed up getting any code written for a transmission autopilot test?
[20:18] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, Hi
[20:18] <Noskcaj> hello
[20:18] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, no but I can do it
[20:18] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, I wanted to have a look at shotwell
[20:18] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, but then I can do transmission :D
[20:19] <Noskcaj> i was going to try transmission, just wondering if you'd done any work on it
[20:19] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, I will make a note to do it after shotwell ok ?
[20:19] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, oh!
[20:19] <Letozaf_> Noskcaj, no I haven't done anything on transmission yet
[20:19] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:49] <elfy> balloons: a really simple autopilot question ... can it record actions to generate a test, or do you have to pick apart from autopilot vis ?
[20:50] <balloons> elfy, no recording actions I'm afraid
[20:50] <elfy> right - thanks :)
[20:50] <balloons> the reason is because it's testing on a different level for the most part
[20:50] <balloons> your introspecting the application (mostly) not manipulating it with mouse and keyboard clicks
[20:50] <elfy> k
[20:51] <balloons> the upside is the test your write should be much more maintainable and work through ui changes, etc :-)
[20:51] <elfy> yep
[20:51] <elfy> should have asked in the ustopilot channel - lderan asking the same there - for the same reason lol
[20:51] <balloons> saucy is not being nice :-(
[20:51] <elfy> I blame hobgoblin
[20:52] <elfy> really - try xubuntu - working lovely for me :)
[20:52] <balloons> I actually feel rather hobbled working in a non-unity DE
[20:53] <balloons> I have a huge monitor and I need to manage windows sanely
[20:53] <elfy> lol
[20:53] <elfy> some of us never used it for longer than to get wrist aches
[20:54] <balloons> I wasn't an immeadiate fan.. but my goodness, it's tough to work without it
[20:55] <balloons> do you use multiple workspaces? best invention ever once I learned how to use them properly.. they are perfect on a small laptop
[20:56] <balloons> I do wish xfce .. wait, how did I miss this? http://www.xfce.org/about/news/?post=1335571200
[20:59] <elfy> balloons: I use 2 monitors and 2 workspaces - so have 4 'screens'
[21:00] <balloons> elfy, :-) You got it.
[21:00] <elfy> and we're looking for xfce 4.12
[21:00] <elfy> mouse wheel moves back and forth or I can use kbd
[21:01] <balloons> yes, it's good too see development is ratcheting up again.. we had 4.6 for so long
[21:02] <elfy> I know it sounds silly perhaps - but my panel is at the bottom - about 20px and in the bottom right corner of the left hand monitor - so is more or less central to my work area
[21:02] <elfy> not all the way over there <----
[21:02] <elfy> horse for courses
[21:06] <knome> balloons, it's not really huge progress, they pretty much have one active core developer atm
[21:11]  * balloons needs to learn to stop unplugging or bumping his pc and resetting it
[23:49] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!