[01:12] <jcastro> nice work rick_h_
[01:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: :)
[01:12] <jcastro> what do you think so far?
[01:12] <rick_h_> not sure, the home page is hard to scan. Too much info across varying their size
[01:12] <jcastro> yeah
[01:13] <jcastro> http://15.185.233.27/categories
[01:13] <jcastro> would be a saner homepage
[01:13] <rick_h_> the new topic 'indicator' is too much like a button and moves all over
[01:13] <jcastro> assuming the categories are all organized
[01:13] <rick_h_> yea, fought some of this with bookie: https://bmark.us/recent
[01:13] <rick_h_> trying to split out the data so that it still lines up/is scanable
[01:14] <jcastro> man dude
[01:14] <jcastro> your gravatar is awesome
[01:14] <jcastro> I should have waited for gmb
[01:14] <rick_h_> gmb ftw
[01:15] <rick_h_> just wish I had a diff shirt but on friday was out of options in the suitcase
[01:16] <rick_h_> kind of cool though. needs some UX love. I like the display of the topics except for that footer and the 6/6 thing
[01:16] <jcastro> yeah
[01:17] <jcastro> wip
[01:17] <jcastro> still though
[01:17] <rick_h_> definitely
[01:17] <jcastro> compared to vbulletin?
[01:17] <rick_h_> I've been spending too much time in forums lately ugh
[01:17] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/forum.php
[01:18] <rick_h_> the thing is how does it scale up. The ubuntu forums are crazy for so many forums/sub forums.
[01:18] <jcastro> juju add-unit
[01:18] <rick_h_> my woodworking forum isn't that bad. It's only a handful
[01:18] <jcastro> :)
[01:18] <rick_h_> hah, I more mean visually/usability :P
[01:18] <jcastro> this is atwood's new thing btw.
[01:18] <jcastro> it'll scale and be awesome
[01:18] <rick_h_> http://www.semiww.org/forum/index.php looks a lot diff than http://ubuntuforums.org/forum.php
[01:19] <jcastro> yeah so this is why we set this up
[01:19] <jcastro> to answer those questions
[01:19] <rick_h_> yea, cool.
[01:40] <snap-l> evening
[01:41] <snap-l> looking for topics for upcoming mug meetings (and speakets to go withthem)
[12:24] <brousch> rick_h_: You see this? http://purecss.io/
[12:24] <rick_h_> brousch: https://bmark.us/admin/recent :)
[12:24] <rick_h_> brousch: look like a cleaned up/renamed YUI CSS.
[12:24] <brousch> heh
[12:24] <rick_h_> they're using the new YUI responsive grid stuff
[12:25] <brousch> I still don't like all the row and column stuff in my html
[12:25] <rick_h_> yea, but it's tough when you want a fluid layout without it
[12:26] <rick_h_> otherwise you get a hard coded count of columns
[12:26] <brousch> http://semantic.gs/
[12:27] <rick_h_> ugh, less
[12:27] <brousch> I know
[12:27] <brousch> Or sass
[12:27] <rick_h_> oh, sass is ok
[12:27] <rick_h_> current work project uses less and getting cranky with it
[12:27] <brousch> That's the cleanest grid I've found
[12:28] <rick_h_> well, you can use that grid but the pure stuff for reset, forms, etc. :)
[12:28] <brousch> Perhaps
[12:28] <brousch> We have a big sass community here, so I've not tried less
[12:29] <rick_h_> yea, the juju gui is less and I was originally agnostic as long as you used something...now I'm turning into a hater
[12:29] <rick_h_> part of it is how we use it though so can't get too cranky with it.
[12:31] <brousch> You're working on juju now?
[12:31] <rick_h_> yea
[12:31] <rick_h_> doing the sidebar stuff on the left of http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/:flags:/browser_enabled
[12:32] <brousch> looks touch-friendly
[12:32] <brousch> big targets
[12:32] <rick_h_> yea, should work on a tablet. I test it on my N10 once in a while
[12:33] <brousch> Expansion is not obvious
[12:34] <brousch> Is the ^ an action or a status?
[12:34] <rick_h_> it's open/collapse indicator if you're talking about the thing I think you are
[12:34] <brousch> Heh, wtf: This page is in Galacian would you like to translate it?
[12:35] <rick_h_> yea, we've not figured out why chrome wants to translate it yet
[12:35] <brousch> maybe ceph and juju are galacian words? Crazy
[12:36] <brousch> When collapsed I think you need something under the second item to indicate there are more of them hidden
[12:37] <brousch> Maybe a skinny row with ... in it or something
[12:37] <rick_h_> so I guess some of the UX is brought over from Unity.
[12:37] <brousch> When it comes up, I see the upside down ^ and think it's already expanded
[12:37] <rick_h_> yea, I said the same thing
[12:38] <brousch> It looks nice
[12:38] <rick_h_> I prefer the sideways/down
[12:38] <rick_h_> vs an up/down
[12:38] <rick_h_> but yea, a pure JS client side application
[12:38] <rick_h_> for managing your juju stuff
[12:39] <rick_h_> talks to a pyramid app for api data using mongodb on the back end
[12:39] <brousch> Hah, just found the crazy connected icons thing on the right
[12:39] <rick_h_> the environment?
[12:39] <rick_h_> where it shows what's deployed to your cloud
[12:39] <brousch> I guess
[12:39] <brousch> It's applications connected by lines
[12:40] <rick_h_> right, so that's the juju stuff. It's what services you've deployed to your cloud and are running and relates them together
[12:40] <brousch> nice
[12:40] <rick_h_> so deploying haproxy and connecting it to your wordpress will proxy wordpress for you
[12:44] <brousch> wow. i like the forms in pure.io
[12:46] <brousch> ooo, buttons are nice too
[13:40] <jrwren> don't attach to the same tmux session from within that tmux session. :)
[13:41] <brousch> Did you rip a hole in space and time?
[13:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: lol, done that it's fun
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> now I want to try it.
[17:18] <greg-g> how do I subscribe to a bug report on github?
[17:18] <greg-g> or is that "not the one true way of doing software development"? I also don't own a mac, so I might have gotten off on the wrong foot here.
[17:20] <jrwren> lol
[17:20] <jrwren> where is this?
[17:21] <greg-g> ? here. I just want to know when a specific bug is fixed, that's it. And maybe comment if people need more debugging. But I don't want to leave a "just subscribing" comment on the bug
[17:22] <brousch> greg-g: "Watch thread" at the bottom of the bug thread
[17:23] <greg-g> but it says: "You only receive notifications for this thread when you participate or are @mentioned"
[17:23] <greg-g> next to that button
[17:23] <brousch> Right, click that button. It's a pull-down
[17:23] <brousch> Isn't it obvious that a button is a selector?
[17:23] <greg-g> ah, I have to reload for the text next to the button to make any sense anymore
[17:24] <greg-g> it is obvious, but the text explaining my situation should change accordingly
[17:24] <brousch> Click it, pick Watching
[17:24] <greg-g> and then what?
[17:24] <greg-g> there's no confirmation etc
[17:24] <greg-g> so do i click "comment"
[17:24] <greg-g> or just reload
[17:24] <brousch> Sounds like a bug
[17:24] <greg-g> the answer is reload, but that is nonintuiitive
[17:26] <jrwren> file a bug @ github with this chat transcript. they will fix it.
[17:27] <greg-g> jrwren: can't i just tweet? :)
[17:31] <jrwren> yes, that will probably work :)
[17:32] <jrwren> pretty sure github has a "turn tweet into bug" button implemented.
[17:52] <snap-l> heh
[17:53] <snap-l> I really really hate this power daemon for my UPS
[17:54] <snap-l> the moment it hiccups the connection it'll suspend
[19:33] <greg-g> jrwren: is having WUBS hating kind of day
[19:34] <jrwren> i always hate wubs.
[19:34] <greg-g> :)
[19:34] <jrwren> i'm just having a vocal wub hating day
[19:34] <greg-g> you're just making me smile, is all
[19:34] <greg-g> :)
[19:34] <jrwren> omg seriously!!!
[19:34] <jrwren> WHY greg-g ??? WHY!?!
[19:34] <jrwren> why ruin some of the greatest music of all time?
[19:34] <greg-g> because, teenagers
[19:35] <jrwren> well, that single or EP or whatever is over.
[19:35] <jrwren> now to new Code 64
[19:35] <jrwren> if Code 64 ever adds shitty wubs, I might just have to quit the world.
[19:36] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/kalotone-addict/ <- jrwren
[19:37] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sob1t-iUCmE
[19:37] <jrwren> nooooooOOOOooOOOO !
[19:38] <jrwren> snap-l: i did notice that Frontline assembly was dropping wubs before anyone.
[19:38] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, but they didn't suck
[19:38] <jrwren> exactly.
[19:38] <jrwren> sadomasochist has sounds which I can only describe as drops, and its fucking awesome.
[19:39] <jrwren> and that was Jan of 1998
[19:39] <snap-l> Thin ghtat I hate is you get this nice perky little tune, and then all of a sudden someone drops the tempo to fucking 60bpm and then starts this WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB shit
[19:39] <jrwren> so I can blame FLA for bringing the world wubs
[19:39] <jrwren> yes, I hate that too.
[19:41] <snap-l> dit de doot de doot de SMACK DEEEERP de DEEEEEERP de WUB wub wub wub wubba  wubba wubbababababpppppfffffft
[19:41] <snap-l> wub wub
[19:41] <jrwren> i especially find it funny when metal people get into skrillex and so they have crazy long hair and it starts flailing around to the wubs
[19:42] <jrwren> it just doesn't match IMO
[19:42] <greg-g> hahahaha
[19:42] <snap-l> That's liek trying to headband to the rite of spring
[19:43] <jrwren> you think?
[20:09] <jcastro> jrwren: is today good for you wrt. me picking up my laptop?
[20:10] <jrwren> sure
[20:10] <jrwren> come now (like this very minute) to beat traffic.
[20:10] <jcastro> ok
[20:10] <jcastro> putting pants on!
[20:11] <jrwren> lol
[20:11] <brousch> TMI
[20:12] <brousch> I guess that's better than "taking pants off"
[20:12] <greg-g> depends on the goal
[20:13] <jrwren> procreate with jorge is never the goal of #ubuntu-us-mi
[20:13] <brousch> Never say never!
[20:13] <greg-g> who says its all about procreating?
[20:15] <jrwren> i just nit picked a wikipedia page - first edit in many years... but darnit!!!
[20:15] <jrwren> Willie Nelson write Crazy, NOT Patsy Cline :)
[20:15] <greg-g> thank you, good sir, for your valued contribution.
[20:17] <brousch> Are there badges for wikipedia edits?
[20:18] <brousch> Time to gamify wikipedia!
[20:18] <greg-g> brousch: dude, we've had barnstars before gamification was a word
[20:18] <brousch> Barnstars?
[20:18] <greg-g> but it isn't your typical automatic gamification systems
[20:19] <greg-g> brousch: there's this website that is really good at answering questions like this ;)
[20:19] <greg-g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars
[20:19] <brousch> I was about to tell you I couldn't find it and then relaized I typed "barstars"
[20:20] <greg-g> :)
[20:20] <brousch> "These awards are part of the Kindness Campaign and are meant to promote civility and WikiLove. They are a form of warm fuzzy: they are free to give and they bring joy to the recipient."
[20:21] <brousch> I think I'm going to puke
[20:22] <greg-g> hater
[20:24] <brousch> Warm fuzzy is what they taught my 5 year old at kindergarten :P
[20:24] <brousch> Along with "cold prickly"
[20:24] <jrwren> my kid learned to fight in kindergarten.
[20:24] <jrwren> me: "did you kick him back?"
[20:26] <brousch> No fights yet, but my son will likely get his butt kicked
[20:29] <jrwren> lol
[21:40] <jrwren> python, because foo = defaultdict(lambda: defaultdict(lambda: 0))
[21:40] <jrwren> is a good idea
[21:59] <gamerchick02> did i walk in on a "which programming language is better" discussion?
[22:06] <greg-g> gamerchick02: don't worry, jrwren is just talking to himself, per usual
[22:09] <gamerchick02> oh.
[22:09] <gamerchick02> he'd fit right in over at work. we all talk to ourselves.
[23:26] <snap-l> I dunno, I always get afraid of editing Wikipedia articles for fear that the whole thing will be brought to someone's attention, and the whole page will be deemed irrelevant to the greater population
[23:26] <snap-l> I mean, not everything on Wikipedia can have the cultural significance of Marvel's Civil War
[23:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: one level too much foo = defaultdict(lambda: defaultdict(int)
[23:30] <rick_h_> should do the same thing
[23:30] <rick_h_> and it's justbecause you need a callable to be passed to defaultdict, and the result of defaultdict isn't a callable
[23:31] <rick_h_> don't get so lambda happy :P
[23:32] <snap-l> Thus spaketh the Dalai Lambda
[23:55] <Blazeix> mathomastech: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostgreSQL