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Kilosmorning all06:47
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Kiloshi Trixar_za 06:51
Trixar_zaHey Kilos06:51
Trixar_zaYou get sakis3g to work on Arch?06:52
Kilosno its on um06:52
Kiloscrunchband06:52
Trixar_zacrunchbang06:52
Kilosbut i cant even extract it there06:53
Kilosno right click extract thingie06:53
Kilosso i extracted it on ubuntu and took there but no right click run in terminal goodie06:54
Kilosi will ask the monkey what he did06:54
Kiloscrunchbang is rather different06:55
Kiloscant even drag/drop from stick to desktop06:55
ThatGraemeGuymorning peeps07:37
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 07:37
Kiloshi psyatw 07:48
Kiloshi zeref 07:48
Trixar_zaKilos, you could use gunzip sakis3g.gz to extract it07:52
Trixar_zafrom a terminal window07:52
Kiloseish didnt even think of that Trixar_za 07:52
Kilosbut then id have to have the correct path to the stick as well07:53
Kilostoo much to think of07:53
Kilosi find it easier to drop stuff on desktop and then the path is easy07:53
Kilos~/Desktop/07:53
Kiloshehe07:53
Trixar_zaTrue. With my windows manager, I just right click and click Open in Terminal07:54
Trixar_zaNo, File Manager, not Windows Manager07:54
Kilosya i dunno whats with crunchbang so need to spend time with it first07:54
Kilosoh i saw one of them there07:55
Kiloshehe07:55
Trixar_zahttp://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-Nxqm2p7/0/950x10000/i-Nxqm2p7-950x10000.jpg07:55
psyatwhi Kilos07:55
psyatwhi zeref07:55
psyatwhi Trixar_za07:55
Trixar_zaHey psyatw07:56
Kilosall the time i thought it was ubuntu battling to see my modem. its debian not ubuntu08:15
Kilosafter 12.04 ubuntu fixed it but dont seem to have told debian about it08:16
Kilosthe crunchbang os sees my cell phone fine08:16
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Kilossorry ubuntu!08:19
ThatGraemeGuyso09:01
ThatGraemeGuythe wife has been nagging me to put "that linux stuff" on her laptop09:02
ThatGraemeGuyfor .... years09:02
Kiloshahaha09:02
Kilosshame on you09:02
ThatGraemeGuyso last night i gave her a flash installer09:02
Kilosyou made her do it?09:02
ThatGraemeGuyinstalled it on her own, now i'm playin tech support09:02
Kiloscool09:02
ThatGraemeGuy"yay I is NEERD!"09:03
Kiloswhat os?09:03
ThatGraemeGuyuuhhhhh yeah, ok nerd09:03
ThatGraemeGuylol09:03
ThatGraemeGuykubuntu09:03
Kilosnice09:03
Kilosnow you can call her geek chick when you get home09:03
Kilosshe will spread the word quick to friends and so09:04
ThatGraemeGuyshe's quite smart09:04
ThatGraemeGuya few years ago i got tired of her screwing up her windows xp install every 6 months, so i gave her the cd and made her install it herself09:05
ThatGraemeGuythat install lasted almost 2 years09:05
Kilosmust be if she has been nagging for years to get away from winsucks09:05
Kiloslol09:06
ThatGraemeGuy99.9% of her PC time is spent in a browser so it doesn't much matter what she uses09:06
Kilosya but the virii do09:06
ThatGraemeGuyoh and pidgin/skype09:06
Kilosnow just get her to install the firewall09:06
ThatGraemeGuynah, no need09:07
Kilosgufw on ubuntu dunno on kde09:07
Kilosoh09:07
magespawngood day09:07
Kiloshi magespawn 09:07
ThatGraemeGuy'ello09:07
Kilosmissed you last night09:07
magespawnyup was at SGB meeting09:08
KilosSGB?09:08
magespawnhi ThatGraemeGuy 09:08
magespawnSchool Governing Body09:09
Kilosi had to fight my daughter in aus for years to try ubuntu ThatGraemeGuy 09:09
Kiloswhen her pc crashed so bad she couldnt use it she tried ubuntu and said wow this is awesome09:10
Kiloswhats news about their going ubuntu magespawn 09:10
Kilossome new okey asked a question here yesterday and i dint know what to tell him09:11
magespawni have set up a pc with ubuntu server with school tool and ownCloud, so now it is just setting the school tool db up properly09:12
Kilos<openfish> Hi..what is best practise scenario for Ubuntu server & adsl + 5 users. server = proxy, domain,website, small webapp, samba share, backups. 09:12
Kilosmust been a school kid or so09:12
magespawnnot a good idea to host a website on it, even more so it you are going to have it accesible from the outside09:15
magespawnlet me scroll09:15
Kilosai!09:15
Kilos13.50 yesterday09:16
magespawnthats is all they said, there are lots of tutorials and instructions for each of thos topics on there own09:18
Kiloslike i say i didnt know what to tell him09:18
Kilossigh09:18
Kiloswhats wrong with a website on it?09:19
Kilosisnt it safer than a sucks one09:19
magespawnyes but the traffic side of things might get too much for the adsl, and the isp might have a fair usage policy in place09:20
Kilosah09:20
magespawnthe proxy should be fine, you could run squid for that, the web app might be a problem depending on the size and number of users etc09:23
Kiloshi Julius129 09:23
Kilos5 he said09:24
magespawnnot sure, maybe somebody like superfly09:25
ThatGraemeGuythe biggest problem hosting a busy site on ADSL is that the upload speeds aren't great09:26
ThatGraemeGuythey're geared for the end user, so you get 4mbps download, but only 1mbps upload, for example09:27
magespawndepending on the adsl the download isn't great either09:27
ThatGraemeGuyand when people are using your site over your adsl its the upload that is important to them09:27
ThatGraemeGuyalso because HTTP runs on top of TCP, which is constantly sending acknowledgement of receipt of packets, if you are downloading heavily on your adsl, then upload is affected too even if there isn't much actual upload going on at the time09:28
ThatGraemeGuyuh, i feel like i explained that quite badly :-/09:29
ThatGraemeGuytl;dr adsl isn't good for hosting web stuff beyond brief test/demo scenarios09:29
Kilosyou shoulda told him ThatGraemeGuy ,i'll never remember all that09:30
Kilosmaybe he googled09:30
ThatGraemeGuyhehe09:30
ThatGraemeGuyi didn't notice the question yesterday09:30
ThatGraemeGuyfeel free to mention me next time to make quassel pop up a notification09:31
magespawncopy/paste09:31
Kilosif you not so busy during the day can i call you when im syuck like that09:31
Kilosah ty09:31
Kilosdont like just bugging you guys09:31
Kilosmaybe he will come back today09:32
Kilosits scrolling to find everything magespawn this one wasnt too far luckily09:33
ThatGraemeGuyyou can bug me any time, if i'm busy then i'll say so09:36
ThatGraemeGuybut feel free to try if you need some help09:36
magespawnlike wise09:36
Kilosty guys09:38
Kiloswbb, moving crunchbang to other pc09:56
charl_good afternoon11:24
magespawnhi charl_11:28
nlsthzno/11:50
charl_hi magespawn 11:52
Kilosai!11:54
charl_hi Kilos 11:56
charl_what's up11:56
magespawnai?11:56
Kiloshi charl_ 11:56
Kilosmbr disappeared11:56
Kiloswas running upgrade and pc rebooted and drive was gone except in bios11:57
Kilosused ubcd to install standard mbr and activate first partition11:57
Kilosnow it makes like i got synaptic or update manager running when only xcht is going11:58
Kilosgrrr11:58
charl_weird11:58
Kilosits an old scrap drive that i got going again11:59
Kilos500g so cant let it go to trash11:59
KilosA new version of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but   │  12:02
Kilos │ the version installed currently has been locally modified. 12:02
Kiloshehe12:02
Kilossomething sicker12:02
Kiloslotsa options12:03
Kilos  install the package maintainer's version                           │  12:03
Kilos │        keep the local version currently installed                         │  12:03
Kilos │        show the differences between the versions                          │  12:03
Kilos │        show a side-by-side difference between the versions                │  12:03
Kilos │        show a 3-way difference between available versions                 │  12:03
Kilos │        do a 3-way merge between available versions (experimental)         │  12:03
Kilos │        start a new shell to examine the situation    12:03
Kilossorry for the spam12:03
Kilosinstalled mbr and grub-pc from terminal12:04
Kilosnearly lost unity 12.0412:08
Kiloshi Vince-0 12:13
Kilosseems ok now. 12:13
* Kilos wipes brow12:14
Kiloswbb. gonna connect kde and maverick and hold thumbs12:17
Squirm[M]Afternoon12:38
charl_hi Squirm[M] 12:45
Squirm[M]Hey charl_12:46
Vince-0Haai oom Kilos 12:49
Kiloslol12:49
Squirm[M]Hi Vince-0, Kilos 12:55
Kiloshi Squirm 12:56
Kiloswhats with the extras12:56
KilosSquirm[M], 12:56
Kilosmobile?12:56
Squirm[M]Yep12:56
Kilosah12:56
Squirm[M]Need to work out my password for znc so I can connect to it from my cell12:57
ThatGraemeGuyi tried to irc on my mobile13:36
ThatGraemeGuyits less than optimal13:36
trenderquestion..13:36
trenderdoes apple laptop work lekker with iphone ??13:36
trenderis it a sensible combo13:36
ThatGraemeGuyhuh?13:37
trenderdo people still want apple laptops ?13:37
trendersome oke wants to swop apple laptop for pc laptop13:38
ThatGraemeGuyi guess they do or they'd be out of that business by now :)13:38
trenderand i dont know anything about apple13:38
ThatGraemeGuythey're decent hardware, not a fan of the OS but that's probably just because i've never really needed to learn to use it properly13:38
ThatGraemeGuyoverpriced in my opinion, but solid machines from what i understand13:39
trenderthe laptop spits out the cd with no tray just like a coinslot seems very primitive13:39
ThatGraemeGuyits slimmer and i'd imagine less prone to breakage13:40
ThatGraemeGuycan't break a tray if it doesn't exist13:40
trenderyea guess so13:40
trenderand cant touch the optics either13:40
ThatGraemeGuySymmetria is a Machead i think13:41
ThatGraemeGuybut probably not laptop13:41
trenderapple is pricey13:42
magespawnSymmetria has windows on the photo/video machine13:52
magespawntrender: is there anything wrong with the apple?13:52
trendernothing wrong with the apple13:56
trenderthey say its a 2006 machine13:56
trenderso i dont know if i want to trade a win laptop for a mac os13:57
trendercould be a lemon deal13:57
charl_a lemon deal?14:00
Kilossurely you can install whatever os you want on it?14:00
charl_a sour deal?14:00
Kilosor does apple block others14:00
Kilosget the machines specs and compare it with yours14:01
Kilostrender^^14:01
Kilossome peeps want nothing but apple14:01
trenderapples dont compare with win laptops14:02
trenderapples dont compare with oranges :)14:02
Kilosspecs wise?14:02
Kiloshardware man14:02
trenderi dont know the specs man apples work completely different14:02
Kilosthere must be  a way to get the specs14:03
trenderapple is like linux except you pay through the nose :)14:03
Kilosgoogle the model 14:03
trendervalue about R250014:03
Squirm[M]There's always specs involved trender 14:03
trenderaccording to ebay14:04
Squirm[M]And you can run Windows if it has an intel processor14:04
Kiloswhat model14:04
trenderi dont know the hardware specs man14:04
Kilosa second hand quad is better than a new dual core14:04
Kilosgive me the model 14:04
Squirm[M]I guess it should run linux cause afaik osx is based on unix14:05
trendergetting the specs smsed as we speak14:05
trenderowned by one black gentleman who apperently doesnt wash his hands14:06
Squirm[M]Probably be a dual core14:06
Kiloscant one install anything on them Squirm ?14:06
trenderyes 2006 where dual cores14:06
Squirm[M]Kilos: if it has an Intel processor14:06
Kilosya14:06
trenderits a white laptop but its almost black :(14:07
Squirm[M]trender: you can clean it...14:07
trenderyea i can i know14:07
Kiloswhat model?14:07
trenderwife owns an iphone and likes the idea of an apple14:08
Kilosmacbook pro?14:08
trenderi dont know kilos waiting on the specs now14:08
magespawnOSX is based on BSD, i would need to check but you might be able to get a linux version running on it 14:09
magespawnapple hardware ans software is awesome for a closed source14:09
Kiloswhy does he want to swop?14:11
charl_i used to run ubuntu on my macbook pro but that was an intel-based mac14:12
trenderhe dont want apple14:12
charl_debian used to compile for powerpc\14:12
trenderhe wants win laptop14:12
trenderwants to do a swap14:12
Kilosah14:12
charl_if it's an intel he can just run windows14:13
charl_apple even provides official drivers14:13
trendersome oke owed hom money and gave him the apple laptop14:13
magespawnokay then, check that it is not obviously stolen14:14
charl_this all sounds extremely shady14:14
charl_nevertheless14:14
trenderive already bought my wife a new laptop this month now she wants the apple one as well :(14:14
Kiloslol14:14
magespawngeek wife?14:14
trendergreedy wife :(14:14
magespawnahh14:14
trendershe wants to see what apple is all about14:15
magespawnwell i have three laptops, so who i am to speak14:15
trenderi have about 20 laptops here14:15
trenderbut none apple OS14:15
magespawnthey are nice, but nothing un-usual14:16
magespawnimho14:16
trenderi worked on apple in the early days14:17
trenderowned an apple 2e14:17
trenderwith green screen14:17
Squirm[M]Bbl. Squash time14:17
charl_ciao all14:39
Squirmmmmm15:20
Cantidehmm15:20
SquirmI'm feeling good now15:20
Cantide:)15:20
Cantidethat's always a good thing :)15:20
Cantidei've felt good since Friday :)15:20
Squirmgor the endorphins flowing with the squash I guess15:21
Squirms/gor/got15:21
Cantidecool :)15:21
Cantidei've not played squash15:21
Cantidebut it looks rather intense15:21
Squirm+ I won 2/6 games against someone who I usually lose 6/7/8 - 0 to15:21
Kilosexercise is always healthy15:21
Squirmand it's his birthday :P15:22
Kiloshehe15:22
CantideSquirm, haha - you should have let him win all of them :p15:22
SquirmCantide: screw that. he never lets me win any anyway15:22
Cantidelol15:23
Cantidefair enough :D15:23
Squirmbut I'll buy him a few beers later for his birthday :P15:23
Kiloshehe15:23
Squirmmeh15:27
Squirmhave to drive to jhb tomorrow15:27
Kiloseish15:31
magespawnSquirm: how far is that for you?15:32
Squirmmagespawn: If I had to sit on the N3, maybe over 4 hours15:32
Squirmor 4hours15:32
Squirmbut I'm going on a little detour15:32
magespawnnot too bad then15:33
Squirmnot really15:33
Squirmstill a distance though15:33
Squirmwhen I went up for my training in Jan, I drove back down on Sunday, got to work, was on my way back to jhb at 8:30 Monday and was back in Mooi River 19h00 that night15:34
SquirmRAID controller failed and I had to fetch it15:34
Squirmfailed Sunday night15:34
magespawnthat is hectic driving 15:35
Squirmactually took the server up with me. So I could test the new controller at the supplier15:36
Squirmin case it wasn't that :P15:36
Kilosanyone heard from superfly ??15:46
SquirmMaaz: seen superfly 15:47
MaazSquirm: superfly was last seen 3 days, 21 hours, 44 minutes and 39 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-05-25 11:02:55 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2013-05-20 14:30:14 PDT15:47
Kilosai!15:48
Kiloshopefully hes having a relaxing trip15:48
magespawnhe was in one of the other channels, i think hes is at his friends wedding now15:52
Kilosah ty magespawn 15:52
magespawnin about a week he will be up here15:53
Kilosits the trip in between i wonder about15:53
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magestudytook him about 3 days i think15:54
Kilosi note hawkeyes dont even get time to come on here15:58
Kiloshi nlsthzn you quiet15:59
magestudythey are working together now i think16:02
Kilosya thats why the poor guy cant get here16:03
Kiloslol16:03
magestudyso maybe with the fly away somebody else has to take up the strain16:03
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Squirmmagestudy: what are you studying?16:09
magestudy 16:23
CanEatspace?16:23
magestudyyes16:33
magestudy no MCITP16:33
magestudya little bit of a dirty word around here16:36
CanEati see :p16:37
magestudyfive letter swear word16:39
KilosMaaz, define MCITP16:41
MaazKilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?16:41
Kiloslol16:41
Kiloseek you getting polluted16:42
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magestudyMicrosoft Certified IT Professional16:42
Kilosya asked QA16:42
magestudythis particular one is Enterprise Administration16:43
magestudyalways good to learn new skills16:45
Kilosyeah16:45
magestudyprobable do Linux 101 next, or maybe a programming course16:47
magestudyprobably16:47
Kilosif your head can keep it all in do everything you can lad16:48
Symmetriahrm, is gpt in the default 13.04 kernel?16:49
SymmetriaI.E if I want a single 3TB partition on a drive16:49
magestudyha it never keeps everything in, but that is what google is for16:49
Kilosgparted Symmetria16:50
Kilosi think you have to install it seperatley16:50
magestudylater all, home time16:50
Kilosapt-get install gparted16:50
Kilosgo safe magestudy 16:50
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Symmetriaok once I finish this dist-upgrade on my spare linux machine at home will do that 16:51
Kiloshow big is the drive if one partition is gonna be 3tb16:51
Symmetriaheh, wouldnt be using a 3TB disk normally for this but waiting for a 512gig SSD, heh, had the 3TB with NTFS but NTFS under linux is holy hell slow16:51
Symmetriaso installed ext support into windows instead to get something cross compatible16:52
Symmetria;p16:52
nlsthznsorry uncle Kilos , was watching some telly :p16:52
Kilosnp nlsthzn 16:52
Kilosoh Symmetria there is also the new thing17:11
Kilosdisk utility17:11
Kilosjust tick the dash and type disk and it will show17:12
Symmetriaheh kilos, no X on any linux machine I run :)17:22
Symmetriaused parted and got it right17:23
Kilosah ok17:23
Symmetria;p now just waiting for ext3 to actually create a 3TB file system on a USB2 drive ;p17:23
* Symmetria snores17:23
Kilosgparted is the gui of that methinks17:23
Symmetriayeah17:23
Kiloswhy not ext417:23
Symmetriabecause I need proper cross compatible with windows17:23
Kilosits got more protection stuff in against power cuts17:24
Kilosah17:24
Symmetriaand ext4 under windows is still dodgy :) ext3 works fine17:24
Symmetriaand NTFS under linux is slow as crap so I couldnt use that :)17:24
Symmetriathat left with with ext3 or exfat 17:24
Symmetriaand exfat  under linux is as slow as ntfs is under linux :)17:24
Symmetria(that fuse stuff they use to make it work isn't great)17:25
Kiloscan windows see ext317:25
Kilosit cant see ext417:25
Symmetriathird party ext3 drivers17:25
Symmetriafor windows 17:25
Kilosah17:25
Symmetriaheh the NTFS stuff worked ok under linux but like I said, was just slow17:26
Symmetriaand the only reason I have this disk is so I can walk in, plug it in, copy a coupla hundred gig and walk out again17:26
Symmetriaactually waiting for a 512gig SSD to make that even faster17:27
SymmetriaUSB3 ftw ;p17:27
Cantidealso SSD ftw :)17:27
Cantidehow fast is USB3 if you boot to a USB flash drive with your OS installed on it? is it usable?17:27
Symmetriaheh, have 2 256gig SSD's in my desktop in addition to my 3 x 3TB disks17:27
Symmetriacantide yes, it will work, obviously you neeed a USB3 capable flash drive17:27
Cantidei just have one 120 GB SSD :)17:27
Kilosis ssd via usb faster than  internal drives?17:27
Symmetriassd in usb3 can do 3gigabit/second 17:28
Kiloswow17:28
CantideSymmetria, yeah, i have a USB3 flash drive with 13.04 installed on it, but my current PC doesn't have USB3 >.<17:28
Symmetriaheh, I booted a machine off a usb 3 harddrive and installed ubunut off it, worked fine 17:28
Symmetriaheh kilos USB3 is *FAST* 17:28
Cantidecool :)17:29
Symmetriathe trick is finding a machine that currently supports it 17:29
Cantidemy USB2 is just a little too slow for my liking17:29
Symmetria(do not buy those crappy pci-e USB3 extension cards, they aren't particularly quick)17:29
Cantidebut i want to keep that OS installed there for now17:29
SymmetriaI got 4 x USB3 interfaces on board on my motherboard 17:29
Cantideoh!17:29
Cantidethanks for the advice17:30
Cantidei was considering getting one17:30
Symmetriaheh USB3 is still not as fast as thunderbolt, lol, I want a motherboard that has both17:30
Cantidebut i've decided to wait for my new PC rather17:30
Symmetriacantide, well, if its cheap, look, its gonna be a shitload faster than usb2 17:30
Cantideyeah17:30
Symmetriabut its nowhere near as fast as true usb3 on board17:30
Symmetriamight get 60 - 70 meg/second outta those expansion cards Ive tested17:30
Symmetriawhere as even writing to a standard sata disk I get 120+ on the onboard interfaces17:30
Symmetriacantide which board are you putting in your new pc?17:30
Cantidedon't know yet - waiting for Haswell17:31
Cantideand moving to Korea soonish17:31
Cantideso waiting for that17:31
Cantide:p17:31
Symmetrialol lemme check what Im running in here again17:32
Cantide:p17:32
SymmetriaIm running the GA-X79-UD5 from gigabyte17:34
Symmetriaits pricey, but it supports 64gigs of ram for one thing17:34
Symmetriawhich was a major requirement when I bought it17:35
Symmetriahttp://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4049#sp17:35
Symmetriaboard will set ya back about 3.5k 17:36
Kiloseish17:38
Cantideo_O17:38
Cantidenot for me :p17:38
Cantidei've got a little MSI board in this PC17:38
Kiloswould love something like that17:38
Cantidedoes the job just fine, except for USB317:38
Symmetriabrb rebooting17:45
Kiloshmm...18:06
Kilosho inetpro work went ofline18:14
inetprogood evening18:14
inetprono, was me18:15
Kilosah naughty18:16
Kilosyou even killed plustwo18:16
Kilosand is Mzolisto there too?18:16
inetproai!18:17
inetproek sukkel18:17
inetpro:-)18:17
Kilosai!18:17
Kiloshoe kan ek help?18:17
inetprosomehow I can no longer connect via my mobile18:17
Kilosoh my18:17
Kilosto irc18:18
Kilosoh quassel18:18
inetproyep to quassel18:18
Kilosyour bouncer is sick18:18
inetprothought perhaps because my core was listening on ipv618:18
inetprobut clearly it's not that18:19
inetproforced it to startup listening on ipv418:19
Kilosmaybe the fone cant do ipv618:20
Kilostoo fast18:20
Kiloshehe18:20
inetprois broken18:21
Kilosaw18:23
Cantidegood night 'o18:28
Kilossjoe18:28
inetprook, one more try18:35
Kiloswb18:36
inetprohallo world. ..from me mobile18:38
Kiloshow did you fix it18:38
* inetpro didn't notice that the core was not listening via SSL any more18:39
Kilosai!18:39
inetpronoticed some time ago that I could no longer connect via the mobile18:39
inetprobut didn't have time to look into it18:40
Kiloslol18:40
Kilosai!18:40
Kilosthats sad18:40
* inetpro happy again18:40
Kilosya me too18:41
Kiloswb old man18:41
inetprohaha18:42
Kilosyou didnt see18:42
inetproKilos: so anything interesting I missed here today?18:42
Kilosi downloaded crunchbang 808 mB in 45 mins18:42
Kilosnot much here today18:43
Kilosnothing exciting18:43
Kilosgot up to 469kB/s18:43
Kilosnot sure if it was the torrent thing or all telkom peeps asleep18:44
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:14
inetprohmm...19:14
inetprogood night oom19:14
Kilosno late to bed hey you old peeps19:14

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