=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [06:47] morning all === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [06:51] hi Trixar_za [06:51] Hey Kilos [06:52] You get sakis3g to work on Arch? [06:52] no its on um [06:52] crunchband [06:52] crunchbang [06:53] but i cant even extract it there [06:53] no right click extract thingie [06:54] so i extracted it on ubuntu and took there but no right click run in terminal goodie [06:54] i will ask the monkey what he did [06:55] crunchbang is rather different [06:55] cant even drag/drop from stick to desktop [07:37] morning peeps [07:37] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:48] hi psyatw [07:48] hi zeref [07:52] Kilos, you could use gunzip sakis3g.gz to extract it [07:52] from a terminal window [07:52] eish didnt even think of that Trixar_za [07:53] but then id have to have the correct path to the stick as well [07:53] too much to think of [07:53] i find it easier to drop stuff on desktop and then the path is easy [07:53] ~/Desktop/ [07:53] hehe [07:54] True. With my windows manager, I just right click and click Open in Terminal [07:54] No, File Manager, not Windows Manager [07:54] ya i dunno whats with crunchbang so need to spend time with it first [07:55] oh i saw one of them there [07:55] hehe [07:55] http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-Nxqm2p7/0/950x10000/i-Nxqm2p7-950x10000.jpg [07:55] hi Kilos [07:55] hi zeref [07:55] hi Trixar_za [07:56] Hey psyatw [08:15] all the time i thought it was ubuntu battling to see my modem. its debian not ubuntu [08:16] after 12.04 ubuntu fixed it but dont seem to have told debian about it [08:16] the crunchbang os sees my cell phone fine === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [08:19] sorry ubuntu! [09:01] so [09:02] the wife has been nagging me to put "that linux stuff" on her laptop [09:02] for .... years [09:02] hahaha [09:02] shame on you [09:02] so last night i gave her a flash installer [09:02] you made her do it? [09:02] installed it on her own, now i'm playin tech support [09:02] cool [09:03] "yay I is NEERD!" [09:03] what os? [09:03] uuhhhhh yeah, ok nerd [09:03] lol [09:03] kubuntu [09:03] nice [09:03] now you can call her geek chick when you get home [09:04] she will spread the word quick to friends and so [09:04] she's quite smart [09:05] a few years ago i got tired of her screwing up her windows xp install every 6 months, so i gave her the cd and made her install it herself [09:05] that install lasted almost 2 years [09:05] must be if she has been nagging for years to get away from winsucks [09:06] lol [09:06] 99.9% of her PC time is spent in a browser so it doesn't much matter what she uses [09:06] ya but the virii do [09:06] oh and pidgin/skype [09:06] now just get her to install the firewall [09:07] nah, no need [09:07] gufw on ubuntu dunno on kde [09:07] oh [09:07] good day [09:07] hi magespawn [09:07] 'ello [09:07] missed you last night [09:08] yup was at SGB meeting [09:08] SGB? [09:08] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:09] School Governing Body [09:09] i had to fight my daughter in aus for years to try ubuntu ThatGraemeGuy [09:10] when her pc crashed so bad she couldnt use it she tried ubuntu and said wow this is awesome [09:10] whats news about their going ubuntu magespawn [09:11] some new okey asked a question here yesterday and i dint know what to tell him [09:12] i have set up a pc with ubuntu server with school tool and ownCloud, so now it is just setting the school tool db up properly [09:12] Hi..what is best practise scenario for Ubuntu server & adsl + 5 users. server = proxy, domain,website, small webapp, samba share, backups. [09:12] must been a school kid or so [09:15] not a good idea to host a website on it, even more so it you are going to have it accesible from the outside [09:15] let me scroll [09:15] ai! [09:16] 13.50 yesterday [09:18] thats is all they said, there are lots of tutorials and instructions for each of thos topics on there own [09:18] like i say i didnt know what to tell him [09:18] sigh [09:19] whats wrong with a website on it? [09:19] isnt it safer than a sucks one [09:20] yes but the traffic side of things might get too much for the adsl, and the isp might have a fair usage policy in place [09:20] ah [09:23] the proxy should be fine, you could run squid for that, the web app might be a problem depending on the size and number of users etc [09:23] hi Julius129 [09:24] 5 he said [09:25] not sure, maybe somebody like superfly [09:26] the biggest problem hosting a busy site on ADSL is that the upload speeds aren't great [09:27] they're geared for the end user, so you get 4mbps download, but only 1mbps upload, for example [09:27] depending on the adsl the download isn't great either [09:27] and when people are using your site over your adsl its the upload that is important to them [09:28] also because HTTP runs on top of TCP, which is constantly sending acknowledgement of receipt of packets, if you are downloading heavily on your adsl, then upload is affected too even if there isn't much actual upload going on at the time [09:29] uh, i feel like i explained that quite badly :-/ [09:29] tl;dr adsl isn't good for hosting web stuff beyond brief test/demo scenarios [09:30] you shoulda told him ThatGraemeGuy ,i'll never remember all that [09:30] maybe he googled [09:30] hehe [09:30] i didn't notice the question yesterday [09:31] feel free to mention me next time to make quassel pop up a notification [09:31] copy/paste [09:31] if you not so busy during the day can i call you when im syuck like that [09:31] ah ty [09:31] dont like just bugging you guys [09:32] maybe he will come back today [09:33] its scrolling to find everything magespawn this one wasnt too far luckily [09:36] you can bug me any time, if i'm busy then i'll say so [09:36] but feel free to try if you need some help [09:36] like wise [09:38] ty guys [09:56] wbb, moving crunchbang to other pc [11:24] good afternoon [11:28] hi charl_ [11:50] o/ [11:52] hi magespawn [11:54] ai! [11:56] hi Kilos [11:56] what's up [11:56] ai? [11:56] hi charl_ [11:56] mbr disappeared [11:57] was running upgrade and pc rebooted and drive was gone except in bios [11:57] used ubcd to install standard mbr and activate first partition [11:58] now it makes like i got synaptic or update manager running when only xcht is going [11:58] grrr [11:58] weird [11:59] its an old scrap drive that i got going again [11:59] 500g so cant let it go to trash [12:02] A new version of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but │ [12:02] │ the version installed currently has been locally modified. [12:02] hehe [12:02] something sicker [12:03] lotsa options [12:03] install the package maintainer's version │ [12:03] │ keep the local version currently installed │ [12:03] │ show the differences between the versions │ [12:03] │ show a side-by-side difference between the versions │ [12:03] │ show a 3-way difference between available versions │ [12:03] │ do a 3-way merge between available versions (experimental) │ [12:03] │ start a new shell to examine the situation [12:03] sorry for the spam [12:04] installed mbr and grub-pc from terminal [12:08] nearly lost unity 12.04 [12:13] hi Vince-0 [12:13] seems ok now. [12:14] * Kilos wipes brow [12:17] wbb. gonna connect kde and maverick and hold thumbs [12:38] Afternoon [12:45] hi Squirm[M] [12:46] Hey charl_ [12:49] Haai oom Kilos [12:49] lol [12:55] Hi Vince-0, Kilos [12:56] hi Squirm [12:56] whats with the extras [12:56] Squirm[M], [12:56] mobile? [12:56] Yep [12:56] ah [12:57] Need to work out my password for znc so I can connect to it from my cell [13:36] i tried to irc on my mobile [13:36] its less than optimal [13:36] question.. [13:36] does apple laptop work lekker with iphone ?? [13:36] is it a sensible combo [13:37] huh? [13:37] do people still want apple laptops ? [13:38] some oke wants to swop apple laptop for pc laptop [13:38] i guess they do or they'd be out of that business by now :) [13:38] and i dont know anything about apple [13:38] they're decent hardware, not a fan of the OS but that's probably just because i've never really needed to learn to use it properly [13:39] overpriced in my opinion, but solid machines from what i understand [13:39] the laptop spits out the cd with no tray just like a coinslot seems very primitive [13:40] its slimmer and i'd imagine less prone to breakage [13:40] can't break a tray if it doesn't exist [13:40] yea guess so [13:40] and cant touch the optics either [13:41] Symmetria is a Machead i think [13:41] but probably not laptop [13:42] apple is pricey [13:52] Symmetria has windows on the photo/video machine [13:52] trender: is there anything wrong with the apple? [13:56] nothing wrong with the apple [13:56] they say its a 2006 machine [13:57] so i dont know if i want to trade a win laptop for a mac os [13:57] could be a lemon deal [14:00] a lemon deal? [14:00] surely you can install whatever os you want on it? [14:00] a sour deal? [14:00] or does apple block others [14:01] get the machines specs and compare it with yours [14:01] trender^^ [14:01] some peeps want nothing but apple [14:02] apples dont compare with win laptops [14:02] apples dont compare with oranges :) [14:02] specs wise? [14:02] hardware man [14:02] i dont know the specs man apples work completely different [14:03] there must be a way to get the specs [14:03] apple is like linux except you pay through the nose :) [14:03] google the model [14:03] value about R2500 [14:03] There's always specs involved trender [14:04] according to ebay [14:04] And you can run Windows if it has an intel processor [14:04] what model [14:04] i dont know the hardware specs man [14:04] a second hand quad is better than a new dual core [14:04] give me the model [14:05] I guess it should run linux cause afaik osx is based on unix [14:05] getting the specs smsed as we speak [14:06] owned by one black gentleman who apperently doesnt wash his hands [14:06] Probably be a dual core [14:06] cant one install anything on them Squirm ? [14:06] yes 2006 where dual cores [14:06] Kilos: if it has an Intel processor [14:06] ya [14:07] its a white laptop but its almost black :( [14:07] trender: you can clean it... [14:07] yea i can i know [14:07] what model? [14:08] wife owns an iphone and likes the idea of an apple [14:08] macbook pro? [14:08] i dont know kilos waiting on the specs now [14:09] OSX is based on BSD, i would need to check but you might be able to get a linux version running on it [14:09] apple hardware ans software is awesome for a closed source [14:11] why does he want to swop? [14:12] i used to run ubuntu on my macbook pro but that was an intel-based mac [14:12] he dont want apple [14:12] debian used to compile for powerpc\ [14:12] he wants win laptop [14:12] wants to do a swap [14:12] ah [14:13] if it's an intel he can just run windows [14:13] apple even provides official drivers [14:13] some oke owed hom money and gave him the apple laptop [14:14] okay then, check that it is not obviously stolen [14:14] this all sounds extremely shady [14:14] nevertheless [14:14] ive already bought my wife a new laptop this month now she wants the apple one as well :( [14:14] lol [14:14] geek wife? [14:14] greedy wife :( [14:14] ahh [14:15] she wants to see what apple is all about [14:15] well i have three laptops, so who i am to speak [14:15] i have about 20 laptops here [14:15] but none apple OS [14:16] they are nice, but nothing un-usual [14:16] imho [14:17] i worked on apple in the early days [14:17] owned an apple 2e [14:17] with green screen [14:17] Bbl. Squash time [14:39] ciao all [15:20] mmmm [15:20] hmm [15:20] I'm feeling good now [15:20] :) [15:20] that's always a good thing :) [15:20] i've felt good since Friday :) [15:21] gor the endorphins flowing with the squash I guess [15:21] s/gor/got [15:21] cool :) [15:21] i've not played squash [15:21] but it looks rather intense [15:21] + I won 2/6 games against someone who I usually lose 6/7/8 - 0 to [15:21] exercise is always healthy [15:22] and it's his birthday :P [15:22] hehe [15:22] Squirm, haha - you should have let him win all of them :p [15:22] Cantide: screw that. he never lets me win any anyway [15:23] lol [15:23] fair enough :D [15:23] but I'll buy him a few beers later for his birthday :P [15:23] hehe [15:27] meh [15:27] have to drive to jhb tomorrow [15:31] eish [15:32] Squirm: how far is that for you? [15:32] magespawn: If I had to sit on the N3, maybe over 4 hours [15:32] or 4hours [15:32] but I'm going on a little detour [15:33] not too bad then [15:33] not really [15:33] still a distance though [15:34] when I went up for my training in Jan, I drove back down on Sunday, got to work, was on my way back to jhb at 8:30 Monday and was back in Mooi River 19h00 that night [15:34] RAID controller failed and I had to fetch it [15:34] failed Sunday night [15:35] that is hectic driving [15:36] actually took the server up with me. So I could test the new controller at the supplier [15:36] in case it wasn't that :P [15:46] anyone heard from superfly ?? [15:47] Maaz: seen superfly [15:47] Squirm: superfly was last seen 3 days, 21 hours, 44 minutes and 39 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-05-25 11:02:55 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2013-05-20 14:30:14 PDT [15:48] ai! [15:48] hopefully hes having a relaxing trip [15:52] he was in one of the other channels, i think hes is at his friends wedding now [15:52] ah ty magespawn [15:53] in about a week he will be up here [15:53] its the trip in between i wonder about === magespawn is now known as magestudy [15:54] took him about 3 days i think [15:58] i note hawkeyes dont even get time to come on here [15:59] hi nlsthzn you quiet [16:02] they are working together now i think [16:03] ya thats why the poor guy cant get here [16:03] lol [16:03] so maybe with the fly away somebody else has to take up the strain === Cantide is now known as CanEat [16:09] magestudy: what are you studying? [16:23] [16:23] space? [16:33] yes [16:33] no MCITP [16:36] a little bit of a dirty word around here [16:37] i see :p [16:39] five letter swear word [16:41] Maaz, define MCITP [16:41] Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word? [16:41] lol [16:42] eek you getting polluted === CanEat is now known as Cantide [16:42] Microsoft Certified IT Professional [16:42] ya asked QA [16:43] this particular one is Enterprise Administration [16:45] always good to learn new skills [16:45] yeah [16:47] probable do Linux 101 next, or maybe a programming course [16:47] probably [16:48] if your head can keep it all in do everything you can lad [16:49] hrm, is gpt in the default 13.04 kernel? [16:49] I.E if I want a single 3TB partition on a drive [16:49] ha it never keeps everything in, but that is what google is for [16:50] gparted Symmetria [16:50] i think you have to install it seperatley [16:50] later all, home time [16:50] apt-get install gparted [16:50] go safe magestudy === Kanchi is now known as Cantide === magestudy is now known as magespawn [16:51] ok once I finish this dist-upgrade on my spare linux machine at home will do that [16:51] how big is the drive if one partition is gonna be 3tb [16:51] heh, wouldnt be using a 3TB disk normally for this but waiting for a 512gig SSD, heh, had the 3TB with NTFS but NTFS under linux is holy hell slow [16:52] so installed ext support into windows instead to get something cross compatible [16:52] ;p [16:52] sorry uncle Kilos , was watching some telly :p [16:52] np nlsthzn [17:11] oh Symmetria there is also the new thing [17:11] disk utility [17:12] just tick the dash and type disk and it will show [17:22] heh kilos, no X on any linux machine I run :) [17:23] used parted and got it right [17:23] ah ok [17:23] ;p now just waiting for ext3 to actually create a 3TB file system on a USB2 drive ;p [17:23] * Symmetria snores [17:23] gparted is the gui of that methinks [17:23] yeah [17:23] why not ext4 [17:23] because I need proper cross compatible with windows [17:24] its got more protection stuff in against power cuts [17:24] ah [17:24] and ext4 under windows is still dodgy :) ext3 works fine [17:24] and NTFS under linux is slow as crap so I couldnt use that :) [17:24] that left with with ext3 or exfat [17:24] and exfat under linux is as slow as ntfs is under linux :) [17:25] (that fuse stuff they use to make it work isn't great) [17:25] can windows see ext3 [17:25] it cant see ext4 [17:25] third party ext3 drivers [17:25] for windows [17:25] ah [17:26] heh the NTFS stuff worked ok under linux but like I said, was just slow [17:26] and the only reason I have this disk is so I can walk in, plug it in, copy a coupla hundred gig and walk out again [17:27] actually waiting for a 512gig SSD to make that even faster [17:27] USB3 ftw ;p [17:27] also SSD ftw :) [17:27] how fast is USB3 if you boot to a USB flash drive with your OS installed on it? is it usable? [17:27] heh, have 2 256gig SSD's in my desktop in addition to my 3 x 3TB disks [17:27] cantide yes, it will work, obviously you neeed a USB3 capable flash drive [17:27] i just have one 120 GB SSD :) [17:27] is ssd via usb faster than internal drives? [17:28] ssd in usb3 can do 3gigabit/second [17:28] wow [17:28] Symmetria, yeah, i have a USB3 flash drive with 13.04 installed on it, but my current PC doesn't have USB3 >.< [17:28] heh, I booted a machine off a usb 3 harddrive and installed ubunut off it, worked fine [17:28] heh kilos USB3 is *FAST* [17:29] cool :) [17:29] the trick is finding a machine that currently supports it [17:29] my USB2 is just a little too slow for my liking [17:29] (do not buy those crappy pci-e USB3 extension cards, they aren't particularly quick) [17:29] but i want to keep that OS installed there for now [17:29] I got 4 x USB3 interfaces on board on my motherboard [17:29] oh! [17:30] thanks for the advice [17:30] i was considering getting one [17:30] heh USB3 is still not as fast as thunderbolt, lol, I want a motherboard that has both [17:30] but i've decided to wait for my new PC rather [17:30] cantide, well, if its cheap, look, its gonna be a shitload faster than usb2 [17:30] yeah [17:30] but its nowhere near as fast as true usb3 on board [17:30] might get 60 - 70 meg/second outta those expansion cards Ive tested [17:30] where as even writing to a standard sata disk I get 120+ on the onboard interfaces [17:30] cantide which board are you putting in your new pc? [17:31] don't know yet - waiting for Haswell [17:31] and moving to Korea soonish [17:31] so waiting for that [17:31] :p [17:32] lol lemme check what Im running in here again [17:32] :p [17:34] Im running the GA-X79-UD5 from gigabyte [17:34] its pricey, but it supports 64gigs of ram for one thing [17:35] which was a major requirement when I bought it [17:35] http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4049#sp [17:36] board will set ya back about 3.5k [17:38] eish [17:38] o_O [17:38] not for me :p [17:38] i've got a little MSI board in this PC [17:38] would love something like that [17:38] does the job just fine, except for USB3 [17:45] brb rebooting [18:06] hmm... [18:14] ho inetpro work went ofline [18:14] good evening [18:15] no, was me [18:16] ah naughty [18:16] you even killed plustwo [18:16] and is Mzolisto there too? [18:17] ai! [18:17] ek sukkel [18:17] :-) [18:17] ai! [18:17] hoe kan ek help? [18:17] somehow I can no longer connect via my mobile [18:17] oh my [18:18] to irc [18:18] oh quassel [18:18] yep to quassel [18:18] your bouncer is sick [18:18] thought perhaps because my core was listening on ipv6 [18:19] but clearly it's not that [18:19] forced it to startup listening on ipv4 [18:20] maybe the fone cant do ipv6 [18:20] too fast [18:20] hehe [18:21] is broken [18:23] aw [18:28] good night 'o [18:28] sjoe [18:35] ok, one more try [18:36] wb [18:38] hallo world. ..from me mobile [18:38] how did you fix it [18:39] * inetpro didn't notice that the core was not listening via SSL any more [18:39] ai! [18:39] noticed some time ago that I could no longer connect via the mobile [18:40] but didn't have time to look into it [18:40] lol [18:40] ai! [18:40] thats sad [18:40] * inetpro happy again [18:41] ya me too [18:41] wb old man [18:42] haha [18:42] you didnt see [18:42] Kilos: so anything interesting I missed here today? [18:42] i downloaded crunchbang 808 mB in 45 mins [18:43] not much here today [18:43] nothing exciting [18:43] got up to 469kB/s [18:44] not sure if it was the torrent thing or all telkom peeps asleep [19:14] night all. sleep tight [19:14] hmm... [19:14] good night oom [19:14] no late to bed hey you old peeps