[20:08] <elfy> lderan: perhaps it would be better to discuss this autopilot thing in here 
[20:08] <lderan> aye
[20:08] <elfy> so what did knome say briefly? 
[20:09] <elfy> I saw something about python, which is a snake
[20:09] <lderan> also part of a name of a famous comedy group
[20:10] <elfy> oh hang on - forgot I've got scrollback 
[20:10] <lderan> he said something along the lines of writing the test scripts in python to use with autopilot for testing out the xubuntu specific applications
[20:10] <elfy> right 
[20:14] <elfy> so at the moment - we've nothing in autopilot yet, so if you can get your head around writing some that would be great - the plan is two fold at present, so depending on part 1, part 2 might not even be needed
[20:14] <elfy> part 1 is working out whether this is actually going to be of any use to us at all - Noskcaj had done a bit of looking into that I believe, but nothing as yet 
[20:15] <elfy> prt2 is getting things to autopilot with - ie the python bits
[20:15] <lderan> so far i have got it set up and moving my cursor in an infinite square
[20:16] <knome> lderan, set up in xubuntu? i suppose that answers part 1...
[20:16] <lderan> yup
[20:16] <elfy> oh I have managed to get autopilot to run evince and do the autopilot vios thing 
[20:17] <elfy> what would be great would be some sort of 'record' tool - start autopilot record and then do a bunch of tasks 
[20:17] <lderan> think that is possible
[20:18] <elfy> unless they've already got one of course ... 
[20:18] <lderan> shall look for it
[20:18] <elfy> #ubuntu-autopilot is the cahnnel I suspect 
[20:19] <elfy> I've not had time since the weekend to do much looking to be honest
[20:20] <lderan> fair enough
[20:20] <elfy> knome: I'm not usre that answers part 1 - it shows that we can 'use' it but the real question is whether it's of practical use 
[20:20] <lderan> shall see if they have the answers
[20:20] <elfy> especially given the bug Unit193 linked me too a day or two ago 
[20:20] <knome> mhm
[20:20] <Unit193> :P
[20:22] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1169593
[20:22] <elfy> "I would recommend closing this as won't fix as apart from patching the source of the applications themselves there is nothing the autopilot team can do to enable these applications to work with autopilot."
[20:24] <elfy> I'm going to be able to spend a bit more time on it over the next couple of days so I can look at the overview perhaps
[20:25] <elfy> I can spend an hour getting a list of default apps together and see which autopilot works with and which it doesn't
[20:26] <lderan> that'll be useful 
[20:26] <elfy> I'd say if the +'s outnumber the -'s then we should look further - but if there aren't many +'s then we need to make a decision then as to whether to go any further
[20:28] <lderan> i'll look into writing some basic tests in the mean time then, even if we decide to not go with it the exposure to more python will be good.
[20:29] <elfy> k
[20:29] <elfy> hang on a second
[20:29] <elfy> 'figuratively'
[20:33] <elfy> gnumeric seems to run from autopilot ok 
[20:33] <elfy> first one I've found that does 
[20:35] <lderan> cool
[20:36] <elfy> I'll work out a list tomorrow 
[20:36] <elfy> did I see a link to an Xubuntu roadmap autopilot page ? 
[20:37] <lderan> yup
[20:39] <Unit193> Bah, abiword in saucy is still the bad version.
[20:40] <elfy> lderan: do you have it then :p
[20:41] <lderan> shall find it
[20:41] <elfy> oh - thought you had it to hand - sorry :)
[20:41] <lderan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/AutopilotTesting
[20:41] <lderan> its in my history so near enough
[20:42] <elfy> k - cheers - I'll sort the apps and a/pilot out and put it on that page then
[20:42] <lderan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/EnablingXubuntuDevelopers a list of the xubuntu packages as well
[20:43] <elfy> lderan: probably not all of those would need it :)
[20:43] <lderan> aye :P
[20:44] <elfy> I'll work with the default apps we have in menu to start with I think :)
[20:45] <elfy> lderan: so returning to the 'plan' if we get part 1 as a positive - then we need to work on getting the tests ready so we can start to use it in time for 14.04 
[20:46] <lderan> okay sounds like a plan
[20:46] <elfy> I believe that is what knome is looking for
[20:47] <elfy> the manual testcases are quite easy - and it seems that someone from the forum is also picking up on those 
[20:47] <knome> yes
[20:47] <elfy> see - I do listen :)
[20:48] <knome> i never had any doubts about that ;)
[20:48] <elfy> lol
[20:50] <elfy> lderan: <balloons> elfy, no recording actions I'm afraid
[20:54] <lderan> ah okay
[20:54] <knome> elfy, well that doesn't mean non-technical people can't help; they can write up listings what needs to be done
[20:55] <elfy> yea 
[20:56] <elfy> that'll be me then :)
[21:04] <knome> elfy, that's one direction - i'd rather see generally less involved people get their hands dirty with these relatively low-hanging fruit
[21:05] <elfy> ok - well it's only likely to take me an hour tomorrow to sort a list out tbh
[21:07] <knome> that yeah, but i was referring to the actual tests too
[21:07] <elfy> oic - not going to be much I could do with those I doubt at present - I understand what you mean by listing now 
[21:08] <elfy> open app - do this - do that - do the other
[21:08] <knome> yep
[21:08] <knome> and i don't think we're even close to that point yet
[21:08] <knome> but eventually, eventually...
[21:08] <elfy> indeed
[21:09] <elfy> what we need now is to get a list of which ones it will work with - basic data to work forward from 
[21:10] <lderan> aye that we do
[21:17] <elfy> knome: at least he's trying to talk about xfce  :)
[21:18] <knome> hehe
[21:27] <lderan> ?
[21:32] <elfy> right - that's enough for me - goodnight all 
[21:32] <lderan> good night elfy :)
[21:32] <elfy> I'll do that list tomorrow and hope to get it on wiki - if not it'll be a text thing of some sort.
[21:33] <lderan> awesome :D