[00:36] <lqid> Anybody have any advice for a piece of software I can use to draw network diagrams?
[01:19] <th3pr0ph3t> lqid,  all I can think of is Dia
[02:10] <igor> hi all
[02:11] <igor> I'm new to xubuntu
[02:11] <igor> not new to linux though
[02:11] <igor> I have a problem with high power consumption with xubuntu 12.04
[02:12] <igor> that has not been happening with ubuntu 12.04 on the same hardware
[02:12] <igor> the power consumption with xubuntu is about twice as much as with ubuntu
[02:13] <igor> it's consuming around 16 watts when idle
[02:13] <igor> should be using around 7-8 watts
[02:14] <igor> the hardware is a Dell Mini 9 netbook
[02:14] <igor> any ideas what could be the cause?
[02:17] <ObrienDave> igor, probably background applications running
[02:18] <igor> @ObrienDave example?
[02:18] <ObrienDave> run task manager, see what's running
[02:18] <igor> CPU load is very low
[02:19] <ObrienDave> i have about 200 processes running now. you will have to look
[02:20] <igor> CPU load is less than 10%, yet the power drain is sometimes over 20W
[02:20] <igor> idle running
[02:20] <igor> fresh install, fresh login
[02:20] <ObrienDave> fans, drives, could be any number of things affecting power consumption
[02:20] <igor> doesn't have a fan, it's a netbook
[02:21] <igor> has a SSD
[02:21] <ObrienDave> sorry then, no clue as to what would cause power drain
[02:21] <igor> same laptop running ubuntu 12.04 drains half as much as with xubuntu
[02:21] <igor> thanks anyway
[02:22] <igor> anyone else?
[02:22] <ObrienDave> well, they are different DE's, like comparing apples to oranges
[02:22] <igor> xfce supposed to be leaner that unity
[02:23] <igor> certainly could not be accounted for twice the consumption
[02:24] <igor> perhaps 10%, not twice as much
[02:24] <igor> I'll try ask the devs
[02:25] <ObrienDave> sorry, can't help you with this question. good luck.
[02:26] <igor> thanks
[02:36] <igor> can anyone else offer any help?
[02:51] <Quix86> does 12.04.2 have any known issues hanging on install reboot?
[03:03] <Quix86> fwiw 12.04 is hanging on shut down and if I force a shutdown, grub/something doesn't seem to install properly
[03:04] <Quix86> and when I try to boot from the new install I hang on a blinking cursor after bios
[03:20] <holstein> Quix86: its going to be hardware specific..
[03:21] <holstein> Quix86: have you applied all upgrades?
[03:21] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:24] <Quix86> what upgrades? This is on first install
[03:24] <Quix86> also X41 laptop
[03:24] <holstein> Quix86: x41?
[03:24] <Quix86> and I've got that roddy bot blocked, so if you'd like to tell me something please tell me
[03:25] <Quix86> thinkpad x41
[03:25] <holstein> Quix86: can you boot live? with nomodeset?
[03:25] <holstein> can you get to a live desktop?
[03:25] <Quix86> live boots fine, that's how the installer works
[03:25] <Quix86> it boots a live desktop and then you go into the installer
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: sure.. but the install *should* work the same
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: are you upgrading during the install?
[03:26] <Quix86> no, overwriting
[03:26] <Quix86> again, the problem seems to be on shutdown
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: what does that mean?
[03:26] <Quix86> formating over a previous install
[03:26] <holstein> Quix86: what im asking is.. are you selecting "install upgrades" while installing
[03:26] <Quix86> yes
[03:27] <Quix86> updates
[03:27] <holstein> Quix86: i would *not* do that and see
[03:27] <holstein> Quix86: could be something about the newer kernel you are installing wth the upgrades
[03:27] <Quix86> 13.04 is going back on now
[03:27] <Quix86> and older is the word you are looking for
[03:27] <Quix86> I was going to 12.04 so I could use PHC
[03:27] <holstein> Quix86: no
[03:28] <holstein> Quix86: i said what i was looking gor. the *newer* kernel installing by selecting "install upgrade" while you are insatlling 12.04 *could* be breaking the install
[03:28] <holstein> Quix86: the live kerne (the older one) works fine
[03:29] <holstein> the newer one, not working.. or thats my proposal
[03:29] <Quix86> well, whatever it is I'll have to look into it tomorrow
[03:29] <Quix86> The laptop needs to be working tonight and 13.04 is already installing
[03:30] <holstein> Quix86: cheers.. i would just install 13.04 and go with it if its working.. but its likely teh older kernel in 12.04 suporting your hardware.. if the live CD works fine
[03:33] <Quix86> I'll have to try and get 12.04 working later, I need PHC to lower the voltages on my CPU
[03:33] <Quix86> I didn't expect to have any problems installing 12.04 since previous installs have gone smoothly
[03:33] <Quix86> I'll use my spare drive next time
[03:59] <Quix86> I had the same problem with 13.04 and had to use boot-repair to reinstall grub for some reason
[03:59] <Quix86> I'm assuming I can do the same with 12.04 later
[03:59] <Quix86> FWIW, this is exactly how I installed xubuntu on it the first time, except I did have the boot issues
[04:00] <holstein> Quix86: maybe you are assuming the install is hanging?
[04:02] <Quix86> the shutdown is what was hanging
[04:02] <holstein> Quix86: sure, the shutdown of the live CD, correct?
[04:02] <Quix86> yes
[04:02] <Quix86> usb stick to be exact
[04:02] <holstein> Quix86: so, the install is done doing whatever its going to do by then
[04:03] <Quix86> yes
[04:03] <holstein> Quix86: are you doing custom partitioning?
[04:03] <Quix86> unless it does grub on shutdown
[04:03] <Quix86> no
[06:32] <Lazaros> Hallo everyone, 2nd day with xubuntu and still can't watch a ideo on youtube. Any ideas?
[06:34] <Lazaros> anyone?
[06:37] <Myrtti> Lazaros: install flash?
[06:42] <Lazaros> Flash was installed already with xubuntu, I also tried the 3d party restricted something (java, flash etc) but doesn;t work
[07:01] <koegs> Lazaros: flash does not come with xubuntu as default
[07:01] <koegs> did you install flashplugin-installer?
[10:51] <MkShen> Hi I need a system equalizer for pulseaudio equalizer does not work
[10:52] <MkShen> any suggestions?
[10:53] <MkShen> sound by default in the latest version of xubuntu has many serious default
[10:55] <MkShen> excesive bass
[10:56] <MkShen> help please
[10:56] <knome> !patience | MkShen
[10:59] <MkShen> ok thanks
[12:32] <goly> hello
[15:25] <bpat1434> When I boot up with full disk encryption, my laptop shows just a black screen with the backlight lit, but no interface of actually displaying a keyphrase prompt.  Is there any way I can fix that so it shows? The only way I know if I got the password right is to watch the HDD activity indicator light.
[15:26] <koegs> did it ever show that interface?
[15:32] <bpat1434> koegs, no
[15:32] <bpat1434> koegs, but the default Ubuntu (with Unity) shows on a friends laptop
[15:32] <koegs> what vga card do you have?
[15:33] <bpat1434> koegs, it's an nvidia GF119M
[15:33] <bpat1434> or the built-in Intel crap
[15:34] <bpat1434> koegs, lspci output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713733/
[15:35] <koegs> i am not sure, but if you dont need the shiny splash on boot, you could disable plymouth
[15:35] <koegs> as a workaround of course :)
[15:35] <bpat1434> will that just show me a text prompt for password?
[15:35] <koegs> hopefully: yes
[15:36] <bpat1434> I'd prefer the bells and whistles.... but I'll keep that as a backup
[15:36] <koegs> edit /etc/default/grub, replace "quiet splash" with "noplymouth" then run "sudo update-grub"
[15:37] <koegs> also you can uncomment #GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[15:37] <koegs> then you have old low-res test-console
[15:37] <koegs> *text
[15:37] <bpat1434> ok
[15:37] <bpat1434> worth a shot
[15:37] <bpat1434> will be back eventually
[15:51] <xubuntu563> xubuntu is awesome!
[16:05] <GridCube> :)
[16:33] <lderan> hello elfy
[16:39] <xubunturocky> im somewhat of a noob i got ahold of this old dell with xp on it and im trying to switch to xubuntu
[16:41] <xubunturocky> so im downloading 12.04 and burning it to a cd after that all i should have to do is from a cd and follow instructions right
[16:41] <lderan> yup :)
[16:41] <xubunturocky> boot from a cd sorry for the typo
[16:42] <xubunturocky> cool thanks ive been trying this with ubuntu and its not working so i heard xubuntu is more compatible with older hardware
[16:49] <GridCube> *sort off*
[16:52] <bpat1434> koegs, thanks for the help.  While the text prompt isn't as fancy, it at least works
[17:44] <_Marcus> Xubuntu 13.04 desktop AMD64 iso is 800 MB, how do I make it lower?
[17:44] <_Marcus> I want to put it on a CD
[17:44] <knome> _Marcus, you can't.
[17:44] <bazhang> use a dvd or a usb stick
[17:44] <bazhang> or use the mini iso
[17:45] <bazhang> !mini | _Marcus
[17:46] <knome> there are also instructions on the xubuntu website on how to boot from a USB stick with the help of a CD with PC's that do not support booting from USB
[17:46] <_Marcus> Doesn't the mini use the Debian installer?
[17:46] <xubuntu799> hallo
[18:02] <xubuntu259> I'm having trouble getting an SD Card reader to work on xubuntu 11.10.  Any suggestions?  Reboot and update done already
[18:03] <knome> xubuntu259, i'd take backups and upgrade to 12.04 before i did anything else
[18:07] <xubuntu259> You know what, I'm unsure my version.  The help menu link just points to a site that displays 11.10
[18:08] <knome> xubuntu259, can you type 'lsb_release -a' in the terminal
[18:08] <knome> xubuntu259, the version number in the documentation might be unfortunately incorrect
[18:09] <xubuntu259> I'll try it, thanks  :)
[18:10] <knome> NePtUnO|Off, can you please not use away nicks? thanks.
[18:10] <xubuntu259> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS Release:
[18:10] <knome> okay, then your version is 12.04(.2)
[18:11] <knome> did you have the card reader working before?
[18:11] <NePtUnO|Off> why?
[18:11] <xubuntu259> No issues with card or reader, verified on Win8.  Of course Win8 wanted to format it...
[18:12] <knome> NePtUnO|Off, because they bring unwanted lines to the channel. if you want to discuss it further, you can join #ubuntu-ops. alternatively, just refrain from using those
[18:12] <xubuntu259> I tried to find a hardware search tool, but couldn't find one
[18:12] <knome> xubuntu259, have you googled if your hardware is supposed to be supported on linux generally?
[18:13] <NePtUnO|Off> lines? for change the nick? pfffff....
[18:13] <xubuntu259> no, but not sure why that would have changed
[18:13] <knome> xubuntu259, so have you had it working in linux before?
[18:15] <xubuntu259> yeah, for weeks
[18:15] <xubuntu259> hmm
[18:15] <knome> xubuntu259, ok. is it a usb device, or a pci card?
[18:15] <xubuntu259> usb
[18:16] <xubuntu259> I have always right clicked and ejected before pulling it too...
[18:18] <knome> xubuntu259, can you check what 'lsusb' says on a terminal to confirm if it's recognised?
[18:20] <xubuntu259> user@user-laptop:~$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 413c:a005 Dell Computer Corp. Internal 2.0 Hub Bus 004 Device 003: ID
[18:22] <xubuntu259> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 058f:6366 Alcor Micro Corp. Multi Flash Reader
[18:28] <xubuntu259> Sd card must be garbage
[18:30] <xubuntu259> thanks knome for the commands
[19:03] <jacklk> When trying to start Teeworlds I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/dEZ64rWP Any ideas?
[19:04] <knome> jacklk, i don't know what Teeworlds is, but i'd see support for that
[19:05] <jacklk> knome: this seems an error with OpenGL programs not the game itself
[19:06] <Unit193> jacklk: What driver/graphics card are you using?
[19:06] <jacklk> ATI Radeon HD 6450
[19:16] <jacklk> I will use Ubuntu's open source drivers for now as I heard the ATI ones don't work well.
[19:16] <jacklk> hopefully that should fix the issue
[19:17] <Peyam> alla döda
[19:21] <jacklk> it now works fine
[19:38] <Unit193> jacklk: Well, glad that fixed it!  (I stepped away, used to have or randomly have a different reason for it.)
[19:39] <heoyea> how u get the bubble noise when u change volume up and down?
[19:40] <Sysi> xfce4-volumed should produce it
[19:47] <heoyea> Sysi: just installed, but no noise indicator, cant hear nothing when i change
[19:54] <Sysi> heoyea: oh right noise, not alert bubble
[19:54] <Sysi> heoyea: somewhere in settings is "enable event sounds", I don't remember where
[20:04] <heoyea> Sysi: just enable that, still no sound tho
[20:06] <heoyea> Sysi: Thanks tho, guess ill just use the non-noise indicator for now
[20:13] <brainwash> heoyea: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7199 might contain some helpful information
[20:28] <seronis> is there some package I can install that will enable  'print to png file'
[20:28] <heoyea> seronis: u can save it to pdf
[20:28] <heoyea> brainwash: Thanks ill try some of those
[20:29] <seronis> heoyea: I want bmp/png   only options for file is  pdf/postscript/svg
[20:29] <heoyea> seronis: u can convert it to png after i guess
[20:30] <Sysi> gimp can import pdf and svg AFAIK and export as whatever
[20:32] <heoyea> u can just do
[20:32] <heoyea> convert file.pdf output.png
[20:32] <seronis> can it do that without waisting 30-45 seconds loading all its gui components?   id still prefer it to be done as a printer target so I can skip intermediate steps
[20:32]  * seronis goes   'man convert'  too
[20:33] <heoyea> takes about 2 secs
[20:33] <heoyea> depending on the file
[20:33] <genii-around> Assuming you have imagemagick installed
[20:33] <heoyea> oh yes, u need that
[20:34] <seronis> well the man page worked.. so i assume so
[20:34] <seronis> and  -wow-..  convert does everything
[20:36] <seronis> heoyea: thank you this will cover my needs for now. would still be interested in a printer option that automates this =-)
[20:37] <Sysi> seems that cups just doesn't support this, but you could script and/or maybe create thunar custom action for convert
[21:32] <xubuntu244> so much nabz!
[21:32] <xubuntu244> hi all
[21:32] <xubuntu244> i've installed this awesome kernelpanic distro <3
[21:33] <xubuntu244> hmmm....
[21:35] <xubuntu244> kkk niggas
[21:35] <xubuntu244> see ya
[22:38] <deckard> hello. May i post a pastebin link and maybe someone could take a look and see something i am missing?
[22:40] <deckard> http://pastebin.com/aWVzBs7s if someone would be so kind to look :)
[22:40] <deckard> all the 32bit librarys are installed, at least sudo says it is
[22:44] <seronis> deckard: havent followed link yet but can you also state the problem ?
[22:45] <deckard> I game ran now it doesnt, i get errors i dont understand
[22:45] <deckard> the only thing i had done wouldbe to install some VPN client now this game wont launch
[22:47] <deckard> i will settle to just set ubuntu back to defaults but i dont know how to do that either but i assume it will fix it starting over from scratch
[22:50] <seronis> deckard:  well i havent bothered reinstalling a SL client since i switched from windows, so i'll give it a shot and see if any problems show up for me (hopefully someone else might already know the answer)
[22:51] <deckard> it always worked though, fyi
[22:51] <deckard> just the other day i get this now
[22:51] <deckard> and the only thing i installed was a VPN GUI
[22:52] <seronis> deckard:  anything to do with LL changing some client options recently? there was a change in texture baking and some clients wont work any more
[22:52] <deckard> nope
[22:53] <deckard> worked 100% up to a day ago
[22:53] <deckard> this viewer is ready for server side bake
[22:56] <deckard> can you tell me how to just reset the ubuntu half of the duel boot to be like day one install?
[23:00] <deckard> okay well i was told the installed cd will give the option to wipe and install ubuntu over itself, i guess thats whati want
[23:00] <deckard> ty for help though