[02:13] <ahoneybun> back all
[02:37] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[04:03] <ScottK> Anyone wants to merge lightdm-kde, feel free.
[04:37] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1180067] No icons on buttons @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180067 (by GamePad64)
[04:41] <valorie> ahoneybun: pong
[04:41] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: can you do the pykde4 merge?
[04:41] <shadeslayer_> I can take up lightdm then
[04:42] <ScottK> We can leave pykde4 for a bit.
[04:42] <shadeslayer_> okay
[04:42] <ScottK> I'll take care of it when the time comes.
[04:42] <shadeslayer_> cool
[04:42] <ScottK> It'll be easier once Debian switches to python3.3 be default.
[04:42] <shadeslayer_> I see, best to add that to the trello card?
[04:43] <ScottK> Please do.
[04:43] <shadeslayer_> done
[04:44] <shadeslayer_> card assigned to you
[04:44] <ScottK> K.
[04:47] <shadeslayer_> bah
[04:47] <shadeslayer_> someone already merged blinken
[04:47] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ^ please be moving trello cards from TODO
[08:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: oh mm sorry about that
[09:38] <soee> good morning
[09:52] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: already moved btw :)
[09:53]  * Peace- working in my wallpaper http://susepaste.org/814385
[10:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:30] <soee> agateau, is it possitle to trigger homerun when moving cursor to some screen corner ?
[11:30] <lordievader> 07:59 [xs4all] -!- -
[11:31] <lordievader> Hmm not sure why Kitty pasted that.. Guess I'm not familliar with Windows ssh clients... :(
[11:38] <agateau> soee: no it's not possible
[11:48] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: ASUS wants to charge me 30 USD for a new cable for the TF101
[11:48] <shadeslayer_> just a cable mind you
[11:48] <Quintasan> wat
[11:48] <Quintasan> wat
[11:48] <Quintasan> wat
[11:48] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka)
[11:48] <Quintasan> wat
[11:48] <shadeslayer_> no charger or anything
[11:49] <shadeslayer_> yeah
[11:49] <Quintasan> errr
[11:49] <Quintasan> I'd tell them to go to hell
[11:49] <shadeslayer_> ^^
[11:49] <shadeslayer_> though ebay agrees
[11:49] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: http://www.ebay.in/itm/USB-Charger-Data-Sync-Cable-for-ASUS-Eee-Pad-Tablet-Transformer-TF101-TF20-GRK-/271170858728?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f230aeee8
[11:52] <shadeslayer_> dx.com seems to have cheaper deals
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> Anybody have a link to the etherpad from the Kubuntu Saucy Mumble meeting?
[15:00] <Riddell> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-uds-saucy
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[15:00] <Riddell> apachelogger volunteered to turn them into trello items
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, forgot about that. he did turn them in to trello items
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> So for a whole-version Muon SRU, we'd need approval from somebody, right?
[15:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes, depending on what it is
[15:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if it adds new features then tech board I guess
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> no new features
[15:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if it's just bug fixes then the normal ~ubuntu-sru
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool
[15:14] <ScottK> Actually ...
[15:15] <Riddell> mm?
[15:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and Riddell: What we want to get is a micro release exception from the tech board.
[15:15] <Riddell> for Muon?
[15:15] <ScottK> That way we can get whole versions through without having to verify every single change.
[15:15] <ScottK> Yes..
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> haha, was about to dput. good you came when you did
[15:15] <ScottK> Also phonon, akonadi, and maybe other stuff.
[15:15] <shadeslayer> soprano
[15:16] <ScottK> apachelogger volunteered to make a list and I volunteered to go argue with the TB.
[15:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Tell apachelogger.
[15:16] <shadeslayer> maybe get a micro release exception for everything KDE under our packagset?
[15:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Go ahead.  We'll call this one a proof of concept.
[15:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No, needs to be stuff who's upstream micro-version update policy is consistent with SRU policy.
[15:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that would be a big ask
[15:17] <shadeslayer> on that note, new kdevelop
[15:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ahhh
[15:17] <ScottK> IIRC phonon switched to such a policy.
[15:17] <ScottK> KDE SC had to have a policy before we could get the MRE for it.
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> I've more or less had such a policy with Muon/LibQApt even if it hasn't been in writing
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, we want both the muon and qapt source packages on the micro release exception list
[15:21] <Riddell> hi Knarf 
[15:21] <Knarf> hi Riddell
[15:22] <Knarf> the soprano version provided by k/ubuntu has some problems; is it possible to get the latest stable version anywhere?
[15:24] <Riddell> Knarf: you think you need 2.9.2?
[15:26] <Peace-> Riddell: i am really enjoying with kubuntu on i7 :D with everything activated  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hv8KZPOau4 this is the radeon driver for ati hd 7650 
[15:26] <apol_> Riddell: yes, I've been debugging some software with him and the conclusion was (together with vHanda) that the version you're offering is broken
[15:26] <Knarf> would be nice :)
[15:27] <Riddell> Knarf, apol_: in kubuntu-ppa/updates enough or in ubuntu archive raring-updates?
[15:28] <Riddell> when I spoke to vHanda about it he said kubuntu-ppa/updates was fine as it was only needed for a few newer bits of software
[15:30] <apol_> ah ah
[15:57] <Riddell> Knarf: in backport PPA https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=soprano&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[15:57] <Riddell> shortly to arrive in updates too https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/
[15:58] <Riddell> golly it even compiled already on amd64
[16:41] <fabio123> ~karma
[16:41] <kubotu> fabio123 has neutral karma
[16:41] <fabio123> ~karma fabio123 
[16:41] <kubotu> fabio123 has neutral karma
[18:01] <ahoneybun> hey all
[18:05] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[18:21] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm looking into upstreaming the kdepimlibs patch you gave me (it did seem to reduce crashiness) http://paste.kde.org/749594/raw/ and I noticed that in trunk there's been a fair bit of rewriting:  http://paste.debian.net/7650/ (diff relative to the patched version).  Do you think the patch still applies to trunk or do the changes in trunk suggest more about what ought to be done?
[19:46] <ahoneybun> howdy people
[19:47] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[19:49] <ahoneybun> lordievader: fine, yourself
[19:49] <lordievader> Tired, further more good.
[19:49] <ahoneybun> I'm really great right now
[19:51] <ahoneybun> switch ROMs on my phone and I'm loving it
[19:55] <ahoneybun> lordievader: do you have the kubuntu-docs from lp?
[19:55] <lordievader> I'm sorry, what?
[19:58] <ahoneybun> lordievader: the branch on launchpad
[19:58] <lordievader> Yes?
[19:59] <ahoneybun> oh so you have all the files and such from the kubuntu-docs branch?
[19:59] <lordievader> Euhmm no. Should I?
[20:00] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:00] <ahoneybun> I just wanted to see if you could help out in one section on the docs
[20:00] <ahoneybun> the Getting Involved page
[20:01] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Sure, I'd like to get more involved :)
[20:02] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I have copied the main branch and made my own changes into my own branch
[20:02] <ahoneybun> it has the original docs as well but reordered too
[20:03] <lordievader> What kind of changes are we talking about here? Can they not be done frome the web-interface?
[20:03] <jessie> ahoneybun: What ROM did you switch to? And what phone?
[20:03] <ahoneybun> lordievader: to the branch or the page?
[20:03] <ahoneybun> jessie: Samsung Galaxy Nexus (toro) AOKP
[20:04] <lordievader> ahoneybun: To the branch. Wait... I guess I'm confused.
[20:04] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The branch, what kubuntu-doc is that? The help files you have locally on a kubuntu pc?
[20:05] <ahoneybun> Ok the content on the wiki pages are mostly from the branch's text files
[20:05] <ahoneybun> the kubuntu-docs branch has the stuff that would be on the system on a fresh install
[20:05] <lordievader> THe help files?
[20:06] <ahoneybun> lordievader: pretty much how to do this, where to get that
[20:06] <ahoneybun> and such 
[20:06] <ahoneybun> almost all of that text on the wiki pages are copied from the kubuntu-docs branch files
[20:06] <ahoneybun> lordievader: this is my branch https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/saucy 
[20:07] <ahoneybun> it has all the content from the original just reordered for the redesign we are planning
[20:08] <ahoneybun> man coping the github for AOKP takes a long time
[20:09] <lordievader> I'm not really up to speed with the docs. What kind of redesign are you planning?
[20:10] <ahoneybun> lordievader: well at the current state they are using docbook xml, but we are going to move them to html and host them on the wiki and a site just for them
[20:10] <ahoneybun> thats my understanding
[20:11] <lordievader> Ah, and you where searching for a way to present them in the installer right? Believe I read those mails.
[20:12] <ahoneybun> well not really looking for that, they we talking about putting a video in the installer if a internet connection was made
[20:13] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Anyhow, I'd love to help out. However for today I'm too tired. Mind if we continue this conversation tommorow (perhaps using some voice-communication)?
[20:13] <ahoneybun> lordievader: sure I
[20:13] <ahoneybun> if you can lets use Google Hangout if possible
[20:15] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I suppose that is possible, my g+ is https://plus.google.com/104311203579449088245
[20:16] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ok thanks
[20:17] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I have you in a circle
[22:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[22:34] <valorie> pong
[22:35] <valorie> how are you this afternoon, ahoneybun?
[22:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: great, yourslef?
[22:35] <ahoneybun> yourself
[22:36] <valorie> good
[22:36] <valorie> I had a great idea as I was falling asleep the other night about the docs but I didn't turn on the light and write it down!
[22:36] <ahoneybun> good
[22:37] <ahoneybun> oh
[22:37] <ahoneybun> darn
[22:37] <valorie> I think it was mostly about pages for art, games, and I'm not sure what else
[22:37] <valorie> sort of a "best of" page for each major grouping
[22:38] <valorie> maybe following the kickoff grouping?
[22:38] <valorie> like: what we include by default, and what other greatest hits could be added
[22:38] <ahoneybun> that is a great idea
[22:39] <valorie> keep them short as far as text, with just some screenies and links to sites/docs/manuals
[22:39] <valorie> and like maybe stuff like skype that's a bit involved to install
[22:40] <ahoneybun> yes
[22:40] <valorie> that would take a bit of the load off our Basic page
[22:41] <ahoneybun> true
[22:41] <ahoneybun> right now I'm working on the Getting Involved page
[22:41] <valorie> personally, I think the more images and links and the less text, the better
[22:41] <ahoneybun> if you want to do that maybe?
[22:41] <valorie> easier to get translated
[22:42] <ahoneybun> currently lordievader wished to get move involved with helping I'm going to talk to him more tomorrow about it
[22:42] <valorie> yes, I saw that and circled him as well
[22:42] <ahoneybun> getting more and more :)
[22:42] <valorie> yup, nothing succeeds like success!
[22:43] <valorie> and success is more people involved, as well as better docs
[22:44] <ahoneybun> yep seems we are getting noticed
[22:44] <valorie> indeed, and it might be time to write to the users list as well
[22:45] <valorie> some people can at least contribute screenshots
[22:45] <ahoneybun> valorie: can you use trello to show me what content to move and where for that best of page?
[22:45] <valorie> and fix typos
[22:46] <valorie> I'll look and see what I can do
[22:47] <ahoneybun> I'm subscribed to the user list now
[22:48] <valorie> ok, I've made a card, but I don't know how to make those little # of # task icons
[22:50] <ahoneybun> I do
[22:50] <ahoneybun> I made some more cards
[22:51] <ahoneybun> to show examples
[22:51] <valorie> cool
[22:52] <Riddell> has there been a decision on how docs will be hosted?  a wiki chosen?
[22:53] <valorie> no, but we're all pretty sure we want something completely under Kubuntu control
[22:54] <valorie> which means paying for hosting i guess
[22:54] <valorie> I believe Darkwing will be coming up with a proposal
[22:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: Darkwing said that he would make a blueprint
[22:58] <ahoneybun> also a game page? or office page?
[22:58] <valorie> yes
[22:58] <ahoneybun> but what games? the default KDE ones?
[22:59] <valorie> isn't it possible in trello to make subpages?
[22:59] <valorie> depends on what we package by default
[22:59] <valorie> and perhaps we can ask the users to vote for their favorites that they install?
[22:59] <ahoneybun> well there are checklists idk
[23:00] <ahoneybun> I need to know what to include on those pages, krita, gimp?
[23:00] <valorie> and we'll have to say something about wine/steam
[23:00] <ahoneybun> inkscape
[23:00] <valorie> kickoff has a graphics section
[23:00] <ahoneybun> steam is hard to install kinda
[23:00] <valorie> all those will go in there
[23:00] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:00] <valorie> so maybe link to a page about just that? how to install steam?
[23:01] <ahoneybun> so put the categoires to pages?
[23:01] <valorie> if it's a really good page, it will get found from google searches
[23:01] <valorie> :-)
[23:02] <valorie> bleah, i really don't know how to use trello except in the most beginnerish way
[23:02] <ahoneybun> you have to install the ubuntu software center to install steam
[23:02] <ahoneybun> valorie: same here really
[23:02] <valorie> ewww, why?
[23:03] <valorie> I hate that bloody thing
[23:03] <ahoneybun> idk why
[23:03] <valorie> that's bizarre
[23:03] <ahoneybun> you can not find it in muon
[23:03] <ahoneybun> anywhere
[23:03] <ahoneybun> even with the same repos
[23:03] <valorie> our devels should fix that!
[23:04] <valorie> jontheechidna isn't here though
[23:04] <ahoneybun> I think Ubuntu devels did that somehow
[23:04] <ahoneybun> anyway
[23:05] <valorie> yes, separate question
[23:06] <ahoneybun> there are going to be a lot of pages for all those categories
[23:07] <ahoneybun> Office, Graphics, Games, Internet, Multimedia?
[23:09] <valorie> yes, is there any reason not to have all the pages?
[23:09] <soee> ahoneybun, why do you need to install usc to get steam ?
[23:09] <valorie> these aren't pages which will be included in our dvd
[23:09] <ahoneybun> soee: I don't know
[23:09] <valorie> just on the wiki
[23:09] <soee> http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[23:09] <soee> i would go there grab it and install
[23:10] <ahoneybun> I can't find it in any muon software, apt-get
[23:10] <ahoneybun> soee: I already have it installed then I removed isc
[23:10] <ahoneybun> usc
[23:10] <valorie> is there a steam repository?
[23:11] <ahoneybun> valorie: so just fill this up and then we will hand pick off of it?
[23:11] <ahoneybun> for the dvd
[23:12] <valorie> well, I think Darkwing wants just a very short, very general doc for the dvd, that will change little to none over time
[23:12] <valorie> really it will just be a link to our docs, which can continue to change with the times
[23:13] <ahoneybun> valorie: thats what I'm saying the wiki will be deep but the dvd content will be short
[23:13] <valorie> I wouldn't worry about that now
[23:13] <valorie> just make our wiki content as rich and good as possible
[23:13] <ahoneybun> so make as many pages as we want?
[23:13] <valorie> yes
[23:13] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[23:14] <valorie> imo, each page should be short and wonderful
[23:14] <valorie> wow, really raining hard here now
[23:15] <valorie> yet still sunny
[23:15] <valorie> rainbow time!
[23:16] <ahoneybun> valorie: check the trello
[23:17] <valorie> super, that's what I mean
[23:17] <valorie> meant
[23:18] <ahoneybun> sweet
[23:18] <ahoneybun> like /Software/Office?
[23:24] <ahoneybun> valorie: /Software/Managing for the managin repo and such content?
[23:25] <valorie> I'm not following
[23:26] <valorie> my idea wasn't about reorganizing the content that we already have
[23:27] <valorie> but about adding pages based on our kickoff categories
[23:27] <ahoneybun> there is content on the /Basic page with managing repos and software
[23:27] <valorie> if we want to link to them from our Basic page etc., great
[23:27] <ahoneybun> I moved the content from the Basic page to make it smaller
[23:28] <valorie> so your question above, I'm not sure what you are asking
[23:28] <ahoneybun> check the pages and trello
[23:30] <valorie> I don't see how managing fits into this scheme
[23:32] <ahoneybun> dealing with softwar
[23:32] <ahoneybun> e
[23:33] <ahoneybun> ok nevermind
[23:43] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[23:48] <valorie> nice!
[23:48]  * valorie sets to work
[23:52] <valorie> oops, time for dinner
[23:52] <ahoneybun> ok talk later?
[23:52] <ahoneybun> wait
[23:52] <ahoneybun> you were editing that page