[00:17] valorie: ping me when you get back on [00:19] ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka) [00:34] JontheEchidna: ping [00:34] ahoneybun: pong [00:34] valorie and I were talking about a steam bug in Kubuntu, do you see it in the log? [00:36] yup, found it [00:36] Yeah, Steam is offered as a free commerical app via their software store [00:36] I'm working on support for their API for Muon 2.1 [00:37] ok great, we were wondering why usc was needed to install === genii-around is now known as genii [01:49] back [02:13] ahoneybun: ping [02:13] valorie: got you [02:13] pong [02:14] so I was trying to make a list of the links, I guess you did that the right way [02:15] oh I beat you to it? I also included your changes as well [02:15] but aren't we also going to have development, multimedia, office, etc. [02:15] not sure we need sections; just links [02:15] sections [02:15] ? [02:15] the verbiage really adds nothing [02:16] such as: [02:16] Internet [02:16] For information about Internet applications see here. [02:16] that seems silly to me [02:16] instead, just a list of the subpages [02:16] oh well change it [02:17] as long as it look great :) [02:17] perhaps with a nice screenie of the kickoff Applications menu [02:17] ok [02:17] I'm not sure my menus are like first run though [02:17] thats my goal [02:17] does everyone have all the sections? [02:17] yeah [02:18] ok, I'll get back to work on that if you are done for now [02:18] I'll get the screenshot [02:18] sure [02:25] and I suggest we use the same order as the menu [02:29] done [02:31] where did you put that image? [02:32] I just saved my work on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software [02:32] I was thinking it would be cool to have it on the right side of the page, if that's possible [02:35] it's possible [02:37] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software [02:40] hmmm, that's not first-run thought [02:40] with wine in there!' [02:40] lol [02:40] oh yea I know [02:40] looks good though [02:40] we can use that as a placeholder for now [02:41] yes [02:42] might be nice to do a little page on the stuff at the bottom -- lost and found, etc. and explain what they are [02:42] anyway, this is enough to go on for starters [02:44] ok [02:44] so we are keeping development? [02:47] sure, why not? [02:48] we need devels, we <3 devels [02:48] true [02:48] if people aren't interested, they won't click [02:48] ok [02:50] can I assign a page to you? [02:56] assign? [02:56] not sure we need to assign anything [02:56] but i'm planning on working on this tonight [02:57] with trello I can [02:58] not sure I can deal with that responsibility!!!!!!!!!!! [02:58] jk [02:58] assign if you like [02:58] ok cool lol [03:00] anyway off for the night [03:01] sleep well [03:01] thanks will be on saturday === micahg_ is now known as micahg [05:26] is there a way to get a list of 1. what we install by default and 2. offer on the DVD? [05:26] for the docs [05:28] valorie: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.manifest [05:28] ...I assume that's what is installed on the DVD (and thus the default install?) [05:29] thanks [05:30] I think the difference is kubuntu desktop vs KDE-full [05:30] which is everything on the dvd [05:30] woah, that is very complete [05:34] valorie: yeah manifest is what you want [05:35] I'll add the link to that to the trello card so I don't lose it [05:47] ok [05:47] apachelogger: Riddell should we SRU fixes to oxygen-gtk ? see bug 963736 [05:47] bug 963736 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "thunderbird and firefox freeze at random : must be killed and restarted" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/963736 [05:55] shadeslayer: Based on the severity of the bug, I'd say yes. [05:56] k, will have a look today [06:02] ScottK: can we just sru the 1.3.3 release from saucy? the diff doesn't look very invasive [06:02] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/139674367/gtk2-engines-oxygen_1.3.1-0ubuntu1_1.3.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz [06:04] shadeslayer: Sure. [06:04] cool [06:40] shadeslayer: does the new version fix that? [06:40] I have the same problem but thunderbird only freezes every couple of days so it's a bit difficult to verify [06:40] debfx: yes, it was commited to the 1.3 branch [06:40] it = the diff [06:41] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318891 [06:41] KDE bug 318891 in gtk2-engine "gcin hime can not run with latest oxygen-gtk" [Grave,Resolved: fixed] [06:42] oh [06:42] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318891#c93 [06:42] Riddell will smack me if I break his emacs [06:42] and I won't get Dr Who episodes [06:43] good morning [06:45] so the fix has been committed after the 1.3.3 release [06:45] ah now I remember [06:45] I've sponsored a Debian upload for this ^^ [06:46] so 1.3.3-2 needs merging [06:47] ack [06:48] debfx: wanna do that for Saucy and SRU for raring? [06:48] or do you want me to do it? [06:51] shadeslayer: I have to leave for $work now so feel free to do that [06:51] ok === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [08:03] shadeslayer: those oxygen-gtk bugs do seen like worth a SRU if there's patches [08:03] there are [08:08] shadeslayer: will you take care of it? [08:08] yep [08:08] I already uploaded the patches to saucy === vinay is now known as Guest90247 [08:31] "Fathi Boudra (fboudra) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu [08:31] Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2014-06-06." [08:31] yay fabo still loves us! [08:32] indeed :) but busy as ever [09:05] shadeslayer, Quintasan: I got a mail from someone working on plasma-active on mer it seems asking what the state in kubuntu is, I forwarded it to you guys and -devel as I'm clueless. [09:06] hm, no, just a user [09:06] ^^ :) [09:08] dunno where plasma active 4 is, not convinced it exists [09:09] Riddell: my guess is that he's talking about master :P === greyback|away is now known as greyback [09:27] Riddell: saucy fixed, should I just upload to raring-proposed now? [09:27] and then the review happens in the queue [09:48] shadeslayer: yeah, and subscribe ~ubuntu-sru and ensure test case is on bug and anything else an SRU needs [09:48] roger === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [10:07] Riddell: uploaded gtk2-engines-oxygen [10:07] working on oxygen-gtk3 [10:10] thanks [10:53] howdy all [11:03] JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/2.0.1-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4629848 [11:03] Please be fixing. [11:09] * shadeslayer is now member of the error tracker team [11:09] that was fast [11:09] shadeslayer: cor, what gossip can you find? [11:10] I can see stacktraces [11:20] hmm [11:20] there are 2 more commits that I can see from the commit log that might be beneficial to oxygen-gtk3 [11:20] hurrr [11:20] shadeslayer: We need to make a [11:20] PA sprint [11:20] not sure when [11:28] whenever you have time [11:28] PA sprint? [11:29] Quintasan: make a doodle [11:29] packaging PA sprint :P [11:29] I shall [11:29] I am not sure what to reply to that email, and I'm too drowsy after drinking that cough syrup [11:35] lel [11:39] hurray powercut === ferai is now known as jefferai [12:38] Why do I always wait till last minute to write an essay? [13:02] need some testers to try out wifi connection [13:02] !testers [13:02] Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [13:03] if you delete your wireless profile from network manager [13:03] then connect again [13:03] does it show a notification "failed" but also a tick for connection? [13:04] Riddell, sorry I can't help , daughter still hasn't sent my laptop back :( [13:04] tariq: hi, I don't think I've got an e-mail from you, have I missed it? [13:10] Riddell: Saucy? [13:11] ScottK: looks like a toolchain issue [13:12] Darkwing: now darling, not in public [13:12] :P [13:12] ScottK: all the errors are in /usr/include/c++/4.7/type_traits [13:13] Riddell, but should i disable cable connection first ? [13:13] Riddell: I knew there was a reason I loved you :P [13:17] soee: yes if you're using it [13:17] Riddell: hi you haven't got an email from me - not sent it yet! Will make some time over the weekend to get something to you! [13:18] groovy [13:24] Riddell, got my message? [13:29] soee: nope [13:29] Riddell, soee> i have removed my profiles, unpluged cable, activate wirless, add new profile and im connected without any problems (13.04) [13:30] soee: lovely thanks, didn't think it was a common issue or we'd be getting lots of reports [13:35] Good afternoon [13:36] ahoneybun: Ping [13:37] ScottK: everything's fine after a rebuild request [13:49] * yofel now has error tracker access too [13:50] that was fast indeed considering it's friday [13:58] yofel: find any good gossip? [14:00] well, the stats are interesting considering that I can now finally see what actually happened. It obviously doesn't have many of our packages though, except kde-config-touchpad -.-' [14:03] we'd have to turn on apport presumably for it to be much use [14:03] why kde-config-touchpad ? [14:05] Riddell: comes right after ubiquity in crash frequency: https://errors.ubuntu.com/?user=kubuntu-bugs&period=year === vinay is now known as Guest64399 [14:20] !testers | saucy upstart job needs testing [14:20] saucy upstart job needs testing: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [14:20] see #ubuntu-devel [14:54] vHanda: Have a chance to look at my DB yet? [14:55] anybody know how to launch an animatio with a parameter? [14:55] with qml [16:50] cor, 4.10.4 [16:50] !ninjas [16:50] Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy [17:35] ;] [17:56] argh [18:01] freaking tests [18:01] shadeslayer: If I manage to pass everything this upcoming week we're doing a sprint during the next weekend [18:02] heuehueheuheuehueheuehe [18:02] * Quintasan goes crazy [18:02] wish me luck [18:13] Riddell: ping [19:09] Is there a concrete chance that kubuntu could be killed by mir ? [19:41] Dark_light,how? [19:43] I don't know I was just reading this [19:43] http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/05/mir-in-kubuntu/ [19:43] kubuntu isn't going to use mir , wayland is in the works for kubuntu , and canonical no longer supports kubuntu development , Blue Systems has taken on kubuntu support [19:45] yes that I know but will blue systems be able to provide an up to date graphic stack ? and what about package compatibility ? [19:52] BluesKaj: ^ [19:52] I supposed the devs had better get to work on both graphics and audio , and if the hardware drivers aren't designed for the new mir or wayland display server , then we're all in trouble [19:55] but there' are some influential ppl with level heads who will come up with the right solution and meanwhile we'll struggle along with X But.I'm optimistic [19:55] a long as it isn't the same ppl who pushed pulseaudio on us [19:58] Dark_light: it's still a bit early to say anything concrete on graphics stack maintenance. Most other ubuntu flavours will be in the same situation so we'll see where the load can be shared. [19:58] It's mostly ubuntu patching of the stack that's worrying, but there we'll have to see what the future will bring. [20:03] in a way it could have a positive turn, the ubuntu graphics stack isn't exactly one of the best from what I read [20:04] right? [20:05] it isn't, at least not for us. The problem is that we would still have to share mesa, or find a way to maintain 2 copies of it [20:07] well I'm not an expert but I assume they will just apply patches when building the package, wouldn't it be as simple as just stripping it of the patches and rebuilding it ? [20:07] possibly [20:08] + some re-packaging so the packages can be distinguished from each other [20:12] ok, thanks! === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [22:50] JontheEchidna: Thanks. [22:51] Riddell: Did you see the security issue I mailed to kubuntu-devel?