[00:17] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping me when you get back on
[00:19] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka)
[00:34] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: ping
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: pong
[00:34] <ahoneybun> valorie and I were talking about a steam bug in Kubuntu, do you see it in the log?
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> yup, found it
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, Steam is offered as a free commerical app via their software store
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> I'm working on support for their API for Muon 2.1
[00:37] <ahoneybun> ok great, we were wondering why usc was needed to install
[01:49] <ahoneybun> back
[02:13] <valorie> ahoneybun: ping
[02:13] <ahoneybun> valorie: got you
[02:13] <ahoneybun> pong
[02:14] <valorie> so I was trying to make a list of the links, I guess you did that the right way
[02:15] <ahoneybun> oh I beat you to it? I also included your changes as well
[02:15] <valorie> but aren't we also going to have development, multimedia, office, etc.
[02:15] <valorie> not sure we need sections; just links
[02:15] <ahoneybun> sections
[02:15] <ahoneybun> ?
[02:15] <valorie> the verbiage really adds nothing
[02:16] <valorie> such as: 
[02:16] <valorie> Internet
[02:16] <valorie> For information about Internet applications see here.
[02:16] <valorie> that seems silly to me
[02:16] <valorie> instead, just a list of the subpages
[02:16] <ahoneybun> oh well change it
[02:17] <ahoneybun> as long as it look great :)
[02:17] <valorie> perhaps with a nice screenie of the kickoff Applications menu
[02:17] <valorie> ok
[02:17] <valorie> I'm not sure my menus are like first run though
[02:17] <ahoneybun> thats my goal
[02:17] <valorie> does everyone have all the sections?
[02:17] <valorie> yeah
[02:18] <valorie> ok, I'll get back to work on that if you are done for now
[02:18] <ahoneybun> I'll get the screenshot
[02:18] <ahoneybun> sure
[02:25] <valorie> and I suggest we use the same order as the menu
[02:29] <ahoneybun> done
[02:31] <valorie> where did you put that image?
[02:32] <valorie> I just saved my work on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[02:32] <valorie> I was thinking it would be cool to have it on the right side of the page, if that's possible
[02:35] <ahoneybun> it's possible
[02:37] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[02:40] <valorie> hmmm, that's not first-run thought
[02:40] <valorie> with wine in there!'
[02:40] <valorie> lol
[02:40] <ahoneybun> oh yea I know
[02:40] <valorie> looks good though
[02:40] <valorie> we can use that as a placeholder for now
[02:41] <ahoneybun> yes
[02:42] <valorie> might be nice to do a little page on the stuff at the bottom -- lost and found, etc. and explain what they are
[02:42] <valorie> anyway, this is enough to go on for starters
[02:44] <ahoneybun> ok
[02:44] <ahoneybun> so we are keeping development?
[02:47] <valorie> sure, why not?
[02:48] <valorie> we need devels, we <3 devels
[02:48] <ahoneybun> true
[02:48] <valorie> if people aren't interested, they won't click
[02:48] <ahoneybun> ok
[02:50] <ahoneybun> can I assign a page to you?
[02:56] <valorie> assign?
[02:56] <valorie> not sure we need to assign anything
[02:56] <valorie> but i'm planning on working on this tonight
[02:57] <ahoneybun> with trello I can
[02:58] <valorie> not sure I can deal with that responsibility!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:58] <valorie> jk
[02:58] <valorie> assign if you like
[02:58] <ahoneybun> ok cool lol
[03:00] <ahoneybun> anyway off for the night
[03:01] <valorie> sleep well
[03:01] <ahoneybun> thanks will be on saturday
[05:26] <valorie> is there a way to get a list of 1. what we install by default and 2. offer on the DVD?
[05:26] <valorie> for the docs
[05:28] <Tm_T> valorie: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[05:28] <Tm_T> ...I assume that's what is installed on the DVD (and thus the default install?)
[05:29] <valorie> thanks
[05:30] <valorie> I think the difference is kubuntu desktop vs KDE-full
[05:30] <valorie> which is everything on the dvd
[05:30] <valorie> woah, that is very complete
[05:34] <shadeslayer> valorie: yeah manifest is what you want
[05:35] <valorie> I'll add the link to that to the trello card so I don't lose it
[05:47] <shadeslayer> ok
[05:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell should we SRU fixes to oxygen-gtk ? see bug 963736
[05:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Based on the severity of the bug, I'd say yes.
[05:56] <shadeslayer> k, will have a look today
[06:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can we just sru  the 1.3.3 release from saucy? the diff doesn't look very invasive 
[06:02] <shadeslayer> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/139674367/gtk2-engines-oxygen_1.3.1-0ubuntu1_1.3.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[06:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Sure.
[06:04] <shadeslayer> cool
[06:40] <debfx> shadeslayer: does the new version fix that?
[06:40] <debfx> I have the same problem but thunderbird only freezes every couple of days so it's a bit difficult to verify
[06:40] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, it was commited to the 1.3 branch
[06:40] <shadeslayer> it = the diff
[06:41] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318891
[06:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[06:42] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318891#c93
[06:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell will smack me if I break his emacs
[06:42] <shadeslayer> and I won't get Dr Who episodes
[06:43] <soee> good morning
[06:45] <debfx> so the fix has been committed after the 1.3.3 release
[06:45] <debfx> ah now I remember
[06:45] <debfx> I've sponsored a Debian upload for this ^^
[06:46] <debfx> so 1.3.3-2 needs merging
[06:47] <shadeslayer> ack
[06:48] <shadeslayer> debfx: wanna do that for Saucy and SRU for raring?
[06:48] <shadeslayer> or do you want me to do it?
[06:51] <debfx> shadeslayer: I have to leave for $work now so feel free to do that
[06:51] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: those oxygen-gtk bugs do seen like worth a SRU if there's patches
[08:03] <shadeslayer> there are
[08:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will you take care of it?
[08:08] <shadeslayer> yep
[08:08] <shadeslayer> I already uploaded the patches to saucy
[08:31] <Riddell> "Fathi Boudra (fboudra) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu
[08:31] <Riddell> Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2014-06-06."
[08:31] <Riddell> yay fabo still loves us!
[08:32] <fabo> indeed :) but busy as ever
[09:05] <yofel> shadeslayer, Quintasan: I got a mail from someone working on plasma-active on mer it seems asking what the state in kubuntu is, I forwarded it to you guys and -devel as I'm clueless.
[09:06] <yofel> hm, no, just a user
[09:06] <shadeslayer> ^^ :)
[09:08] <Riddell> dunno where plasma active 4 is, not convinced it exists
[09:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my guess is that he's talking about master :P
[09:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: saucy fixed, should I just upload to raring-proposed now?
[09:27] <shadeslayer> and then the review happens in the queue
[09:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah, and subscribe ~ubuntu-sru and ensure test case is on bug and anything else an SRU needs
[09:48] <shadeslayer> roger
[10:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded gtk2-engines-oxygen
[10:07] <shadeslayer> working on oxygen-gtk3
[10:10] <Riddell> thanks
[10:53] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/2.0.1-0ubuntu0.1/+build/4629848
[11:03] <ScottK> Please be fixing.
[11:09]  * shadeslayer is now member of the error tracker team
[11:09] <shadeslayer> that was fast
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cor, what gossip can you find?
[11:10] <shadeslayer> I can see stacktraces
[11:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:20] <shadeslayer> there are 2 more commits that I can see from the commit log that might be beneficial to oxygen-gtk3
[11:20] <Quintasan> hurrr
[11:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: We need to make a 
[11:20] <Quintasan> PA sprint
[11:20] <Quintasan> not sure when
[11:28] <shadeslayer> whenever you have time
[11:28] <Riddell> PA sprint?
[11:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: make a doodle
[11:29] <shadeslayer> packaging PA sprint  :P
[11:29] <Quintasan> I shall
[11:29] <shadeslayer> I am not sure what to reply to that email, and I'm too drowsy after drinking that cough syrup
[11:35] <Quintasan> lel
[11:39] <shadeslayer> hurray powercut
[12:38] <Darkwing> Why do I always wait till last minute to write an essay?
[13:02] <Riddell> need some testers to try out wifi connection
[13:02] <Riddell> !testers
[13:03] <Riddell> if you delete your wireless profile from network manager
[13:03] <Riddell> then connect again
[13:03] <Riddell> does it show a notification "failed" but also a tick for connection?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Riddell, sorry I can't help , daughter still hasn't sent my laptop back :(
[13:04] <Riddell> tariq: hi, I don't think I've got an e-mail from you, have I missed it?
[13:10] <Darkwing> Riddell: Saucy?
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: looks like a toolchain issue
[13:12] <Riddell> Darkwing: now darling, not in public
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> :P
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: all the errors are in /usr/include/c++/4.7/type_traits
[13:13] <soee> Riddell, but should i disable cable connection first ?
[13:13] <Darkwing> Riddell: I knew there was a reason I loved you :P
[13:17] <Riddell> soee: yes if you're using it
[13:17] <tariq> Riddell: hi you haven't got an email from me - not sent it yet! Will make some time over the weekend to get something to you!
[13:18] <Riddell> groovy
[13:24] <soee> Riddell, got my message?
[13:29] <Riddell> soee: nope
[13:29] <soee> Riddell, soee> i have removed my profiles, unpluged cable, activate wirless, add new profile and im connected without any problems (13.04)
[13:30] <Riddell> soee: lovely thanks, didn't think it was a common issue or we'd be getting lots of reports
[13:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[13:36] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ping
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: everything's fine after a rebuild request
[13:49]  * yofel now has error tracker access too
[13:50] <yofel> that was fast indeed considering it's friday
[13:58] <Riddell> yofel: find any good gossip?
[14:00] <yofel> well, the stats are interesting considering that I can now finally see what actually happened. It obviously doesn't have many of our packages though, except kde-config-touchpad -.-'
[14:03] <Riddell> we'd have to turn on apport presumably for it to be much use
[14:03] <Riddell> why kde-config-touchpad ?
[14:05] <yofel> Riddell: comes right after ubiquity in crash frequency: https://errors.ubuntu.com/?user=kubuntu-bugs&period=year
[14:20] <Riddell> !testers | saucy upstart job needs testing
[14:20] <Riddell> see #ubuntu-devel
[14:54] <jessie> vHanda: Have a chance to look at my DB yet?
[14:55] <Peace-> anybody know how to launch an animatio with a parameter?
[14:55] <Peace-> with qml
[16:50] <Riddell> cor, 4.10.4
[16:50] <Riddell> !ninjas
[17:35] <soee> ;]
[17:56] <Quintasan> argh
[18:01] <Quintasan> freaking tests
[18:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: If I manage to pass everything this upcoming week we're doing a sprint during the next weekend
[18:02] <Quintasan> heuehueheuheuehueheuehe
[18:02]  * Quintasan goes crazy
[18:02] <Quintasan> wish me luck
[18:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[19:09] <Dark_light> Is there a concrete chance that kubuntu could be killed by mir ? 
[19:41] <BluesKaj> Dark_light,how?
[19:43] <Dark_light> I don't know I was just reading this 
[19:43] <Dark_light> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/05/mir-in-kubuntu/
[19:43] <BluesKaj> kubuntu isn't going to use mir , wayland is in the works for kubuntu , and canonical no longer supports kubuntu development , Blue Systems has taken on kubuntu support
[19:45] <Dark_light> yes that I know but will blue systems be able to provide an up to date graphic stack ? and what about package compatibility ? 
[19:52] <Dark_light> BluesKaj: ^
[19:52] <BluesKaj> I supposed the devs had better get to work on both graphics and audio , and if the hardware drivers aren't designed for the new mir or wayland display server , then we're all in trouble 
[19:55] <BluesKaj> but there' are some influential ppl with level heads who will come up with the right solution and meanwhile we'll struggle along with X But.I'm optimistic
[19:55] <BluesKaj> a long as it isn't the same ppl who pushed pulseaudio on us 
[19:58] <yofel> Dark_light: it's still a bit early to say anything concrete on graphics stack maintenance. Most other ubuntu flavours will be in the same situation so we'll see where the load can be shared.
[19:58] <yofel>  It's mostly ubuntu patching of the stack that's worrying, but there we'll have to see what the future will bring.
[20:03] <Dark_light> in a way it could have a positive turn, the ubuntu graphics stack isn't exactly one of the best from what I read 
[20:04] <Dark_light> right?
[20:05] <yofel> it isn't, at least not for us. The problem is that we would still have to share mesa, or find a way to maintain 2 copies of it
[20:07] <Dark_light> well I'm not an expert but I assume they will just apply patches when building the package, wouldn't it be as simple as just stripping it of the patches and rebuilding it ? 
[20:07] <yofel> possibly
[20:08] <yofel> + some re-packaging so the packages can be distinguished from each other
[20:12] <Dark_light> ok, thanks! 
[22:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[22:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see the security issue I mailed to kubuntu-devel?