[09:59]  * infinity giggles at motif finally being free, loooong after it's completely irellevant.
[10:00] <ogra_> yay ... finally
[10:00] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:00] <ogra_> and it even works !!!
[10:01] <infinity> ogra_: \o/
[10:01] <ogra_> and indded it was a super silly error
[10:02] <infinity> If only I had a phone that it works on.
[10:02] <StevenK> infinity: Oh, Motif has finally been released under a free license?
[10:02] <infinity> StevenK: Yeah.
[10:02] <ogra_> (missing the source path in the copy_
[10:02] <ogra_> )
[10:02] <infinity> StevenK: In a big, yawning, "who cares anymore anyway" moment.
[10:02] <ogra_> infinity, make a port !
[10:03] <cjwatson> ogra_: oh, hooray, well done
[10:03] <StevenK> infinity: But even five years ago would have had the same reaction. :-)
[10:03] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah.  If I do, it would be on a 2.6.32ish ginggerbread kernel, cause all attempts so far to make this phone work with a more modern kernel have led to vicious arguments with the RIL.
[10:03] <infinity> ogra_: If our bits all work flawlessly with GB kernels and drivers, I might play at that.
[10:04] <ogra_> infinity, hmm, not sure, depends if your kernel can have all the lxc options we want i guess
[10:05] <cjwatson> StevenK: http://motif.ics.com/article/news
[10:05] <ogra_> usually its only a matter of adjusting the config ... but the oldest kernel i have used yet is a 3.0 one
[10:06] <infinity> ogra_: Oh.  Yeah.  lxc in 2.6.32 could be somewhat anaemic.
[10:06] <ogra_> you could indeed go with raring .... that doesnt use lxc
[10:06] <ogra_> but will stop getting upgraded indeed
[10:07] <infinity> ogra_: Well, I could test and play with a 3.4 JB kernel, I just wouldn't be able to make phone calls or (entertainingly) check my battery level.
[10:07] <infinity> ogra_: Given that this is my primary phone, that would be a non-starter, but if I get a new phone, I might try the above on the old one.
[10:07] <infinity> (Right now, this phone is running a JB userspace on a GB kernel, it's a mess)
[10:07] <ogra_> yeah, i did the same with my galayx S2
[10:07] <cjwatson> After "GB" I tried to read "JB" as a size unit.
[10:08] <cjwatson> Jiggabytes.
[10:08] <ogra_> but never managed to get rild to work
[10:08] <infinity> JigglyBytes!
[10:09] <cjwatson> Except if it were jiggabytes then the only permissible number in front of it would be 1.21.
[10:09] <StevenK> But only in 1955?
[10:10] <cjwatson> I fear any mobile phone would not be desperately useful in 1955.
[10:11] <infinity> All you need is one tower and a few phones, and you get to be the coolest kids on the block.
[10:11] <infinity> And for a few blocks in any direction.
[10:11] <infinity> Until you walk in an elevator.
[10:12] <infinity> I used to joke that Nokia had wasted far too much money on their clean-room-in-the-basement faraday cage setup with their private cell that couldn't bleed to the outside world (which was, to be fair, a wildly cool setup).
[10:13] <infinity> Cause they could have just done all their testing in elevators.
[10:13] <infinity> The mobile phone's natural enemy.
[10:13] <StevenK> infinity: Except for the iPhone 4, whose natural enemy was a hand holding it.
[11:06] <ogra_> can someone let that in please
[11:06] <ogra_> ^^^^
[12:43] <ogra_> cjwatson, infinity ... would one of you mind to let lxc-android-config out of NEW so i can seed it
[12:44]  * ogra_ would like to finish the container flip ... thats the last remaining bit
[13:14] <cjwatson> ogra_: Done; you'll probably want to do the MIR thing as well
[13:15] <seb128> ogra_, you need to start using the current copyright format btw :p
[13:15] <ogra_> seb128, the machine readable thingie ?
[13:15] <seb128> yeah
[13:15] <ogra_> k
[13:15] <seb128> ogra_, http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[13:16] <ogra_> yep, got it open from last time
[13:16] <ogra_> i just forgot to do it with all my cdimage wrangling
[13:16] <seb128> ogra_, also, detail, but why not using compat 9 for a new source?
[13:16] <ogra_> seb128, lazy copy paste, will update that as well
[13:16] <ogra_> (i need to update my debian/ skeleton that i use)
[13:20] <ogra_> yay, thanks
[13:32] <cjwatson> GHC 7.6.3 and the associated Haskell package upgrade/rebuild should land after the next publisher run.  I may put run-proposed-migration on manual, though, in order to try to ensure that all the copies fit into one publisher.
[13:33] <cjwatson> Otherwise it does work eventually but all gets a bit confusing.
[13:36] <Laney> excellent
[16:19] <bdmurray> slangasek: could you review my apport SRU uploads today?  They change the crash signature calculation for apport-package bugs
[16:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: yep, will do
[17:02] <infinity> cjwatson: Hrm.  Curious.  You got ghc to transition alright, but the tracker still claims 3 broken packages?
[17:03] <infinity> They must have been NEW.
[17:04] <infinity> Hrm, no, the agda stuff wasn't...
[17:05] <Laney> agda wasn't available on armhf before
[17:06] <cjwatson> Right.  There's an arch all package there.
[17:06] <cjwatson> Usual problem with those.
[17:06] <cjwatson> And haskell-gloss is new.
[17:07] <infinity> Ahh, check.  Didn't notice the arch:all thing.
[17:07] <infinity> I really should sleep some time today, instead of trying to be useful.
[17:09] <cjwatson> The run that moved ghc to release was a pretty impressively enormous publisher run.  11 seconds under an hour.
[17:10] <cjwatson> Starting with nearly 20 minutes of "yup, I've got all those on disk already".
[17:10] <infinity> Yeah, that process is wildly efficient.
[17:11] <cjwatson> And then around 10 minutes of domination.
[17:11] <infinity> I wonder if we could improve the publisher by lolcatting the log.
[17:11] <infinity> That first bit would consist of "I haz?  I haz!"
[17:11] <infinity> The second bit would be a lot of "DO NOT WANT".
[17:12] <cjwatson> Actually, I'm looking at the wrong run.  3331s, so more like 56 minutes.
[17:25] <xnox> when shall we start the apache2.4 transition?
[17:25] <xnox> debian started it and we are getting depwait things through slowly.
[17:26] <xnox> or shall we wait for them to finish it?
[17:43] <infinity> xnox: Shouldn't hurt for us to start it now.  I suspect I have a merge or two to do to kick that off.
[18:01] <cjwatson> xnox: Hm, I don't see it on http://release.debian.org/transitions/
[18:02] <cjwatson> xnox: But anyway, it'd be nice to get libgd2 and net-snmp through first (they're intertangled; libgd2 still needs some help; I don't know if apache2.4 would overlap with either of them but it seems plausible), but after that I wouldn't mind
[18:03] <cjwatson> xnox: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/05/msg00078.html is not desperately encouraging ...
[18:03] <cjwatson> Ah, yes, apache2 and libgd2 are linked via php5
[18:04] <infinity> I was just about to say that.
[18:06] <cjwatson> It might be helpful to have demotion to -proposed working properly, from the sound of that Apache transition mail.  I'll see if I can get that LP patch done ...