[06:50] popey, Could we possibly change the topic to discuss the implementation og bug #1 , today , please ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 [06:50] Ubuntu bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] [06:51] mmm, strange, I was told it was fixed ? === redtap|away is now known as redtape|renegade [06:53] Phones aren't computers. [06:53] troo. [06:54] Well, strictly speaking they are, but they're not the same as a PC. [06:54] Aparently , we are **years** away from being able to dock a phone/mobile with a TV too... [06:54] Morning, TheOpenSourcerer [06:55] I use my phone as a remote control for the TV, I don't want to have to dock it with the telly, that would mean I couldn't use it. [06:55] how about a remote for yur remote ? [06:55] yo dawg [06:57] I'll never understand Mark's fascination with 'znet' .com at all. [06:58] zdnet? [06:59] yeah, did you read my link at 07:50 ? [06:59] Yes, I'm reading it now. [06:59] Hence my comment that a phone is not a computer :) [07:00] * redtape|renegade secretly thinks mozilla phone will be more of a newb's hacking device ... [07:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems shows that MS has a desktop penetration of over 80% [07:01] ... so he's deluded.. ,then. [07:02] no, he's talking about different things at the same time. [07:02] lik a politician talking stat's I guess ... [07:02] **like .. [07:02] as the zdnet article states, the more important war is between iOS and Android. [07:03] * redtape|renegade notes the heoric *ethical* failure of Windoze phone. [07:03] ethical? [07:04] yeah, it's closed [07:04] it kills your family [07:04] so is iOS, does that make it bad? [07:04] yep. [07:04] I disagree. It's different, and perhaps not ideal, but I can see there being benefits to a closed platform. [07:06] * redtape|renegade treates this youtuber about this , in his closing statements, as gospel , [a.outler] http://youtu.be/_4-Jr_HphWs?t=6m36s [07:06] I don't treat the gospel as gospel ;) [07:06] Morning all [07:07] mornin y'all [07:07] it's is in the 'Open Source' religion, but this is by the by.. [07:08] Looks like a nice piece of kit. [07:09] I like the fact he starts taking out screws after having it switched on for a couple minutes. [07:10] The dud's a legend in XDA communities ... what can I say ? [07:10] Have you seen his ADK video ? [07:10] noes [07:10] **dude's a legend ... [07:10] * redtape|renegade scans for video .. and follow up video .. [07:11] What is ADK in this context? [07:11] He posts a fair bit on G+ as well [07:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1PCFE1LlC4 [07:12] cheers [07:12] ^ .. very telling, and no you cant get one anymore .. [07:14] I see your point ("If you can't do with it as you choose, it's not yours") but at the same time, I can see there are security risks to a completely open platform. [07:14] Perhaps I'm wrong, but things like app signing require a closed platform as far as I know. [07:14] dwatkins: the OS on a very closed "secure boot" device can have security flaws as well [07:15] Here's the original, while you attempt yur breakfast , but watch the follow up first .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdglKxxXO8M [07:15] yeah, any OS can have flaws, I accept that. [07:15] I had breakfast at 6:45, redtape|renegade ;) [07:16] tré bien. ... Conitnental, I hope ? [07:20] you hope? ;) I had bacon and eggs. [07:39] morning [07:39] \o popey [07:45] o/ hi popey, Dunno if you saw my message earlier ? [07:47] people can discuss that, sure. [07:47] don't think it needs to go in the topic tho [07:48] * redtape|renegade feels ever disappointed. [07:48] We've been discussing it, redtape|renegade ;) [07:49] I know, that's what makes it topic-able.. [07:50] I mean, everyone's joining now .. to see wat the last nights news of this is all about .. Why should the podcast get all the fun .. [07:53] no, we don't set the /topic based on what people are talking about, never have [07:53] it's for channel announcements, not for "What shall we talk about today" [07:53] if we did, then it would change many times a day [07:53] oh ok . redtape slaps his wrist .. ouch. === redtap|away is now known as redtape|renegade === _Dave2_ is now known as Dave2 [08:07] Good morning peeps :) [08:08] \o [08:13] morning [08:13] morning [08:13] Gah ! [08:14] gpodder is giving me shitty errors about local settings not supported [08:15] knightwise: no swearing! [08:15] http://pastebin.com/E54zfEbj [08:15] "Gah" is a Klingon dish .. its not a swearword [08:16] knightwise: your 2nd line contained swearing, please try not to do it again [08:16] knightwise: that's "Gagh" [08:17] i think they mean the line after gah :P [08:17] meh [08:17] morning all [08:18] I stopped working at 2am this morning. I wonder if I'm over doing it again [08:19] working? [08:19] Ooh! Just got a "Price alert" email [08:19] Sorry , bigcalm i shall refrain from stating excrental statements [08:20] MartijnVdS: you are also correct [08:20] A Dutch web shop has a price for Haswell 4770K [08:20] (it's €348,90) - http://afuture.nl/productview.php?productID=1002479 [08:20] opening... [08:21] i see no picture .. (??) [08:21] redtape|renegade: not allowed yet (embargo/nda) [08:22] ahh [08:22] redtape|renegade: This webshop is very much automated, it's a front-end to their suppliers' inventory systems, basically [08:24] anyone use Firefox's dev tools with any regularity? [08:35] didn't feel like a chump riding a kick scooter to work today. felt aswesome actually [08:35] good morning everyone, [08:36] morning brobostigon [08:36] mungbean: keep telling yourself that :P [08:36] morning shrik [08:37] yeah MartijnVdS , its hard being awesome === Hornet-- is now known as Hornet [08:50] Good morning all, happy Friday and happy World No Tobacco Day! :-D [08:50] a world with no tobacco...ahhhh [08:50] * popey lights up [08:50] that would be nice [08:50] hello all [08:51] hayfever + cigarette smoke = intense irritation [08:52] \o/ no tobacco day [08:55] unlikely to happen here, but one an try nonetheless. [08:55] can* [08:56] we barely need one here, it's so windy in Scotland you can't tell when someone's smoking near by ;) also, it's banned in-doors, obv. [08:57] * brobostigon puts SG sg1 on, and hums the theme tune. [08:58] brobostigon: excellent choice, I've been re-watching it recently, am up to season 6, the Jonas year [08:58] dwatkins: ah, i like the ones where daniel is ascended. [08:59] yeah, although it's a shame he can't break the rules it's fun to see him as not really there [08:59] very true. [09:00] I liked the movie, but the not the TV show [09:00] too soapy [09:01] I see what you mean, MartijnVdS - there were aspects of that, but it was just enough sci-fi, and well, Amanda Tapping <3 :D [09:02] which film? there are three if memory serves. [09:02] brobostigon: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111282/ [09:02] hehe [09:02] MartijnVdS: the first one, :) [09:02] we need imdbbot [09:02] brobostigon: the original! [09:02] that's a silly movie poster - they didn't get stargates that big until at least season 9... [09:03] MartijnVdS: :) [09:03] ...and even then, they were spacegates, not ones you'd land on a planet. [09:03] * mungbean doesn't think he fits the techie stereotype [09:03] the techie non trekkie [09:03] dwatkins: very true. [09:04] I'm not too bothered about Star Trek any more, I've come to the conclusion that it promotes stereotypes and is rather shallow. [09:04] Anyone here use Redmine with the PPA on 12.04 ? [09:04] default ones on very old in the repos [09:04] * awilkins raises hand about Redmine [09:05] Want my bulletproof Redmine wiki page for installing Redmine on 12.04 ? [09:05] Have worked a little with Ondrej Sury and his PPA is now more stable and he has an experimental one for breaking packages in [09:06] Heh, don't you love words kids make up https://twitter.com/BBCNewsMagazine/status/340393025664606208 These kids must have seen RMS at some point in their lives [09:06] is the redmien vulnerable? [09:07] That's a nice shot of Emma Watson getting a wand at Disney World :-) [09:07] awilkins: That's the one I looked at Ondrej's, never tried it before [09:08] Please, would be very interested [09:08] i heard about a rails botnet issue [09:08] mungbean: Dunno, but it's only for internal use anyhoo for us [09:09] diplo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719307/ [09:09] diplo, Naked Ubuntu Server VM to working Redmine server in 10 mins [09:10] arghhhh, a dumb fly just tried to share my coffee. :( [09:10] Top man, thank you [09:10] Will set up a naked vm now to test :) [09:11] The mail watcher plugin is just something we do [09:11] Don't install it without changing the email addresses or your redmine will start spamming all my managers [09:11] (well, probably not) [09:11] heh, will read through it carefully :) [09:11] Do you integrate with ldap at all, not read through it yet [09:11] i use with ldap [09:12] diplo, Yup, we're using the LDAP / Active directory integration [09:12] ooh, LDAP is on my list of learning as well, so will be handy.. great thanks [09:12] Although I've been trying to make progress on an OpenID Provider that justs uses NTLM / SSPI so we can just auth *everything* automagically [09:13] Think we have one in the early alpha stages ; on paper it's not hard, you just need an OpenID provider that trusts Apache auth, and an Apache auth module that does NTLM / SSPI [09:13] The main PITA is that the only reliable one we can find is mod_auth_sspi and that only runs on Windows server [09:14] Not so far managed to set up mod_auth_kerb properly [09:14] oh, I've not got that far.. basically trying to sort a lot of issues at my work place, including information [09:14] All little projects that I hope to integrate together whilst learning [09:14] The hardest part is getting buy-in from the people === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:15] Not everyone takes to wiki pages like a duck to water [09:15] Especially if you have a lot of SharePoint already [09:15] awilkins, amen to that! [09:15] SharePoint lets them continue to get their digital document crackfix of passing information around as Office docs [09:16] We had sharepoint at my last place, I was in charge of it, it sucked and nobody really used it, glad I'm away from it now [09:16] The best success I've had is with a team for who I wrote tools - and they write their own manuals as wiki pages, because they can't understand them when I write them :-) [09:16] Once they're in the habit, that's it, they still tweak them even though the tools have been stable for years [09:17] Well our bug tracker is internal atm, and only now works in Firefox as it was written years ago, can't modify stuff with chrome etc as the code is awful [09:17] tried fixing it but failed so far [09:17] I find people who roll their own trackers perplexing - we have several of these things [09:18] I just shake my head and go "But... that's just a bug tracker with - why don't you just trash it and replace it with something that has a community..." [09:19] diplo, If you have the kind of userbase who loves custom workflows, I have some code for turning Dia diagrams into workflow table rows for Redmine [09:19] Exactly, it's where I'm trying to push us now [09:19] Umm they don't have any idea of what to do at the moment, very disorganised small company [09:19] I should upload it the main project but it's 1) Java 2) involves shell script too 3) not polished [09:20] I suggest you keep it as simple as possible [09:20] Don't let them get into month long meetings about what workflow is appropriate [09:20] yeah, base install.. play.. see what bosses think [09:20] And then go from there [09:20] Use what comes in the box and fix it if that doesn't work for you [09:20] Also have the "Redmine Backlogs" plugins going if you want to do Scrum / Agile [09:21] There's another page for that [09:23] mini.iso - stuck at checking ubuntu archive :( [09:23] wonder if nat isn't getting correct details [09:29] Yep, working fine now - bah [09:46] i really do get myself muddled when merging conflicts from svn in a git svn cloned working copy [09:46] had to re svn rebase 3 times to catch i wasn't pulling the changes from my copy into the working copy and only updating the changes back from svn, overriting my own work? [09:46] grrrrr [09:46] meld helps [09:52] Morning all === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [09:56] can someone clarify something, what does it mean when described as, (apache with "Options All") ? [09:56] brobostigon: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#options :) [09:56] Allows things like indexing etc [09:56] brobostigon: "All" means that all of the listed options are enabled [09:56] Or follow MartijnVdS link :) [09:57] MartijnVdS: ok, thank you. [09:58] MartijnVdS: and this applies to httpd.conf ? [09:58] brobostigon: it works everywhere, look at the "Context" bit in the box [09:58] brobostigon: server config, virtual host, directory, .htaccess [09:59] MartijnVdS: ok. [09:59] brobostigon: it's related to "AllowOverride" [09:59] brobostigon: if you put "Options None" in httpd.conf, along with "AllowOverride None", you can add it to .htaccess but it won't work [10:00] but if you said "AllowOverride Options=ExecCGI,Indexes" you can change only those 2 options in the htaccess [10:00] MartijnVdS: ah, i think i understand, [10:01] apache config is easy, once you learn how to read the docs.. it's just a "trick" [10:01] yes, i can iamgine, whats the word, cryptic. === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 === mpercy is now known as bubu [10:27] awilkins: Great, installed and working.. will take a copy of the vm and have a tinker now [10:27] Thanks again [10:28] diplo, You're welcome, if you want the redmine_backlogs plugin install as well, let me know [10:30] Will do, I'll look it up shortly, going to have a good play first [10:33] redmine is great-ish [10:34] You use it at collab directhex ? [10:39] CollabNet? [10:39] Don't CollabNet use their own forge software? [10:39] The downside of Redmine for me is that it's written in Ruby [10:39] Can't remember who directhex works for, no it begins with a C :D [10:40] yeah, same here, not a great fan [10:40] Collabora [10:40] Looks nice though [10:40] Was close :) [10:40] Yes, very pretty, lots of good features, active, plugins [10:40] But I learned Ruby because we picked it up [10:40] And I think Ruby is horrible [10:41] It's sooo not Python [10:41] Python feels consistent and makes sense (to me) [10:41] I'm just getting into python in a bigger way, never touched ruby, watched a few vids on it and that's about it [10:41] Ruby seems to be this big conflicting ball of styles and doesn't make intuitive sense [10:41] Like - all things in Ruby are objects. Even integers. [10:42] The id values for integers in Ruby... are not the integers they represent. [10:42] >-< [10:42] And all manner of weird operators and stuff [10:43] heh, sounds like I'll be having some fun then(not) [10:43] To familiarize self, did the "Ruby Koans" [10:43] Biggest thing for me, is whether I can import data from our current tracker into redmine in some way [10:44] diplo, What's current tracker? [10:44] I have some code that works OK for bugzilla [10:44] redmine is fine, but because it's ruby it's hyper-fragile as far as version numbers go (making distro upgrades hell) and you can't export data between redmine installs easily [10:44] In house built one awilkins, it's really really really bad :) [10:44] Yeah, that's the other thing I hate about Ruby [10:45] Debian hates things that have their own package management [10:45] But Debian coverage of Ruby packages is really patchy [10:45] The thing I mostly dislike about ruby is that version 1.9.3pN can have a vastly different set of bugs from 1.9.3pN+1 [10:45] Most of the stuff in Ondrej Sury's PPA is ruby packages [10:46] awilkins, that's a ruby design issue, and it's intentional [10:46] awilkins, ruby is not from a school of thought that says a sysadmin installs a thing and it works for years. it's from the "devops" school of thought there a developer managed to make a thing work on his crufty laptop, so you put the crufty laptop into production [10:46] ruby was nearly pulled from debian. [10:47] Oh, I didn't know that [10:47] because of the gem madness? [10:47] Yeah, gem madness is horrid [10:47] it's a bit like egg madness.. [10:47] (or CPAN madness) [10:47] My redmine_backlogs install procedure involves installing gems.. then manually uninstalling one [10:47] like most half-baked languages, the concept of ABI/API stability doesn't exist, and the upstreams don't care about breaking things [10:47] and s/egg/pypi/ [10:48] And then screwing with the Gemfile.lock [10:48] it doesn't matter, in theory, because it's okay to have 300 different incompatible versions of the same gem, so each app has the only version it works with installed alongside [10:49] debian angers ruby upstreams with its "one version of the lib, fix your freaking app" attitude [10:49] directhex: like bundling the JVM with your java app! [10:49] I had an entertaining dependency graph recently where something depended on v2.1 of a lib, but then something else it depended on depended on v3.0 of a lib, and of course they were incompatible [10:49] MartijnVdS, yes. or at least bundling a dozen jars which represent the only tested/working versions of your app's libs [10:49] I don't mind that too much, but in practise the app maintainers don't have a conservative attitude to version numbers [10:50] e.g. redmine_backlogs doesn't say "we've only tested up to this version of rake, so we'll stick with versions we've tested" [10:50] It says "want rake". Rake 1.5.2 breaks it. [10:50] Well, breaks something [10:50] 1.5.1 is fine? [10:50] Not sure. [10:51] Had rake from Ondrej's packages already [10:51] minor version numbers should never break anything [10:51] So just uninstalled the one that gem installas [10:51] Everything works fine, you just have to tinker with the bundle manifest it builds so it's not convinced it should still have rake 1.5.2 [10:51] Which is Evil and Wrong but practical [10:53] heh, you guys are talking me out of using this :D [10:53] That's for a non-packaged plugin [10:53] INstalled by checking out a git tree [10:54] Only a problem if you sign up for it [10:54] So stay clean install as much as possible and it should just work ? [10:55] Well, as you get from my install procedure, it's not just "apt-get install" and go, but the current PPA is pretty stable [10:56] And I always test new things in a VM [10:56] Snapshot the live DB to it and make sure there are no wrinkles at least twice [10:56] Write a wiki page as I go [11:08] directhex: that doesn't hold in the land of the ruby [11:09] BigRedS, i know. 1.9 -> 1.9.1 was a huge jump which broke the world [11:12] yay minor version bumps [11:13] I think somebody missed the point of minor version numbers [11:14] bigcalm: the point of a point release! [11:14] i am going on the watercress line tomorrow bigcalm! [11:14] (isitfriday.net) [11:15] ... with my son... to meet peppa pig :/ [11:15] chrisccoulson: :O lucky lady! [11:15] christel: not that same a rat then? [11:15] christel: get Peppa Pig drunk [11:15] hahaha [11:15] davmor2: indeed not! :P [11:16] bigcalm: is that not then a ratty train [11:16] besides the RAT and the dining train they do peppa pig events and thomas the tank engine events! [11:16] and apparently peppa pig is awesome so we must go... [11:21] peppa pig is a big old for my son [11:21] we're still on cbeebies shows [11:21] like the lingo show! [11:22] directhex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingo_(Dutch_game_show) [11:23] http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/lingo-show/songs/lingo-show-blodwen-hello/ [11:23] Oh no! [11:23] You can't see this content. [11:33] Poxy geographic location sillyness [11:34] Does content cost more when you share it around? No. Imagine if America had a federal TV agency like the BBC... [11:34] Given they have 6 times the population [11:34] That would be 6 times as much awesome content ... [11:35] (and 6 times as much reality TV rubbish, but hey) [11:35] they already have amazing shows like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo [11:36] and we have BAFTA-award winning shows from private companies here, like Made In Chelsea! [11:36] (kill me now) [11:37] The commercial broadcasters have to raise their game in the UK because of the BBC though [11:37] If you got rid of it, EVERYTHING would be Honey Boo Boo [11:37] I've seen American TV. It's a scary place. [11:37] Although I like the whole IP broadcasters making their own content trend [11:38] Not sure about Arrested Development but I liked their take on House of Cards. Wish they would show the other 2 series of the UK one though. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:13] UK benefits so much from having a public broadcasting company that a) broadcasts to a big domestic audience b) broadcasts in languages widely adopted in the world c) has great personalities and professionals doing the said broadcasts [12:13] * Myrtti pokes Finnish YLE with a stick [12:17] https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/PYTHON-532 reads like something ali1234 might write ☻ [12:19] labels = incompetence :) and ref ali, wouldn't be that many lol's in there ? [12:19] :) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:56] OT | then there's the afternoons .. === andrei_ is now known as mozg31337 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:00] ~I've had a talk with the locals on I.o.Man and *they* don't think Bug #1 should be closed | and the instigator 'lives here' | because you can't buy an Ubuntu computer laptop or desktop anywhere locally. Only a chromebook at around £250 .. infact most of them think this mobile thing is the wrong way to go as you can't do much programming on a mobile. The Ubuntu-ists are revolting... [15:01] tell them to shower then :-p [15:02] they are? [15:02] seems to me its the peanut gallery that's revolting [15:02] ~ Wat together.. this ain't rugby. [15:07] Prob.ly just down to the fact Curry's (which has put 2 shops so far , outta business) , run by the Retail-Mafia : have no idea what Ubuntu is !! .. go on give them a call .. http://t.co/v5yt7TUlnn ::: Rant -over. [15:09] :-| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:12] * popey shrugs [15:12] this is hardly news, that you can't buy a pc running ubuntu in a shop [15:12] nationally ? [15:12] also note the mobile strategy Ubuntu has is in addition to desktop [15:12] not instead of [15:13] internationally [15:13] there's hundreds of stores in which you _can_ buy Ubuntu laptops [15:13] but they're not in the countries where the noisiest complaints come from [15:13] (Europe and USA) [15:14] So you want us to call up Curry's for £1 a minute to tell them that they don't know what something is that they don't know about, redtape|renegade? [15:14] You cna buy one from dell.ie [15:15] dwatkins: I've already done it .. They haven't a clue what Ubuntu is .. [15:15] redtape|renegade: and this surprises you why? ;) [15:16] * redtape|renegade does his daily email check to see what can be bought ethically running 'Ubuntu' on the net .. [15:16] The best publicity is word of mouth, Ubuntu and Linux generally have great support networks and word of mouth does work, retail stores are there to make a profit, so for them, any Linux derivative doesn't make sense [15:16] also, they probably get kickbacks for selling Windows [15:16] dwatkins: Because the bug says that you can buy it in a local shop .. or at least that's how I read it ... [15:16] redtape|renegade: bug #1 ? [15:16] bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [15:17] I wonder why bug 1 is flagged as Malaysia Loci team [15:17] where does it say that redtape|renegade ? [15:17] loco* [15:17] just the first one lp api picks [15:17] it's tagged as affecting lots of projects [15:17] Good answer [15:17] what's a direct-lit lcd panel? [15:18] I thought it was because we use lubotu* rather than Ubottu [15:18] argos just emailed me and they're touting "Direct-lit LED TV" [15:19] diddledan: http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-led-lcd-tvs/1000565-difference-side-lit-led-versus-direct-led-pay-attention-when-buying.html [15:19] thanks DJones [15:20] Sounds like the positioning of the LED's, direct is behind the screen, side lit is around the edges [15:20] Those running Ubuntu :-Laptops: 187 laptops , Desktops: 193 desktops, as opposed to those running windoze .. 42,598 ... there's the math anyway .. [15:20] bore [15:22] redtape|renegade: where are those figures from? [15:22] I wonder if there's really that many windows machines worldwide [15:23] ebay.co.uk [15:23] lol [15:23] i could use ebay.im , but that costs £90K .. reesign. [15:24] people seem to be misinterpreting that bug completely. [15:24] mainly because it means different things to different people [15:24] so closing it has wildly different meanings [15:24] Its not surprising, to the end user, windows is distributed free for people buying a computer, probably 999/1000 users will stick with whats already there [15:24] I'll justget my coat ... [15:25] oh jeez [15:25] well that's an overreaction [15:25] Damm, Davros with David Tennant still looks the same as he did in the 1970's [15:25] DJones: he hasn't aged well then? :-p [15:25] he ragequits all the time [15:25] it's incredibly tiresome [15:26] diddledan: That would be about right [15:26] politics is dull innit [15:26] given he wanted me to change the /topic and talk about it all day, then when we do he quits, pretty stupid [15:28] popey: so the wimesweeper - how do I run it on my nexus7? do I need raring or saucy install? [15:28] there's always reddit to discuss that stuff [15:28] !politics [15:28] Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you! [15:28] lol [15:28] we need a OSS-politics [15:30] xnox: raring [15:30] popey: ack. [15:30] add the ppa and it's minesweeper-touch [15:30] or just install touch-collection to get them all [15:30] see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/add_apps.sh [15:59] popey, I know I was wrong but I'm still grumpy that I can't buy an Ubuntu desktop here :: https://pod.orkz.net/uploads/images/scaled_full_b98535f1d2a396706e91.jpg [15:59] does he just join make a comment and leave? [15:59] frequently [16:00] wow [16:05] Hi can anyone help with a blank screen on boot? close and open lid resolves it [16:05] 13.04 on Lenovo X60 with intel 945 [16:06] only thing I have found is a kernel 3.9 but isn't from ubuntu repo so don't really want to go with it yet [16:07] it's fixed in 3.9? [16:08] assuming so reading this [16:08] http://askubuntu.com/questions/291023/black-screen-after-update-to-13-04-hp-530-solution-available [16:08] oof, i wouldn't install a kernel from that site either [16:09] thats what I was thinking [16:09] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-raring/ however is safe [16:09] maintained by the kernel team [16:09] brilliant thank you - I'll try it :) [16:09]