RiddellScottK: nope, which was that?01:43
Riddelloh yes kdeplasma-addons01:46
ScottKYeah.  That one.01:56
ahoneybunvalorie: ping03:47
valorieahoneybun: ^^03:50
valorieI got a good start on the devel page last night03:52
valoriebut I'll write to the devel list first and get it read for completeness and sanity03:52
valoriebefore finding the links to finish it03:52
valoriedunno about layout etc.03:53
ahoneybunawesome, if you saw I talked to lordievader today and pointed him to look for errors and make comments on the pages we have so far03:53
valoriewe should have a better kubuntu docs template for new pages03:53
valorieyes, but I think devels in particular need to look at that one because neither of us is a devel03:54
ahoneybunwhat about nano as a text editor?03:54
valorieah, no one in #kde-cafe mentioned using nano to actually code in03:55
valorieI've usually seen that used as a fixer of system files03:56
valorieI don't want to load the page with a bunch of stuff no one uses03:56
ahoneybunwhat page can we use as a template?03:58
valorieor leave out anything that will show devels that they can use kubuntu to do everything they need03:58
valorieyou're in charge; pick on you like a lot03:59
valorielook at the basic kubuntu template we have now too04:00
ahoneybunvalorie: I'm not sure I have the exp needed to be "in charge"04:00
valoriein charge of getting the docs into the wiki, for sure04:01
valoriewe're all learning04:01
ahoneybunyea seems I know the most about the wiki04:01
valorieso just Do It04:01
ahoneybunI'm not going to stop, I'm just making a point ;)04:01
valorieanything we do can be changed, so no harm done no matter what04:02
ahoneybunthe Basic page has the most and is layed out well for the most part I think04:03
valorieif we have a good template, you don't have make all the pages; I will be able to do it by myself04:06
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valoriesec is short for second04:27
valoriebut I'm back04:27
jessieahoneybun: Hello!04:48
ahoneybunok good04:49
ahoneybunjessie: hello!04:49
ahoneybunvalorie: ping04:49
valoriedamn, more freaking tornadoes in oklahoma04:49
ahoneybunmy router freaked out04:50
jessievalorie: I know, right. It's bad news. :-/04:51
valoriethe only good thing is that it's hitting where people are well prepared04:51
valoriebut dang, those people have been pounded04:52
ahoneybunvalorie: what did you mean by "sec"04:53
valorieah, you didn't see my reply04:53
valoriethat's short for 'second'04:53
valorielike 'min' for minute04:53
ahoneybunI thought so04:56
ahoneybunno it stopped at the sec part04:56
ahoneybunso you second the choose of using the basic page as a templete05:00
valoriesure, that's fine05:04
valoriea template is pretty barebones05:04
valoriebut it does save some time05:04
ahoneybunso just make a new page with the basic page as a copy?05:23
valorieno, look at our other templates05:24
ahoneybunvalorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development05:24
valoriefor instance, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software/Utilities?action=edit&template=KubuntuTemplate05:25
ahoneybundid you make that? 05:25
ahoneybunso we can just use that?05:25
valorieno, the packagers made that05:26
valorieI think we should just link to that, yes05:26
valoriein the getting involved part05:26
valoriecan't top that page for sure05:26
ahoneybunits very nice05:26
ahoneybunthere a lot of pages for getting involved05:27
ahoneybunI think we shoule link to them05:27
ahoneybunthen write what we are messing ourselfs05:27
valorieno point in redoing excellent stuff05:28
valoriejust replace crappy stuff and fill in holes05:28
ahoneybunwith this the getting involved will be finished soon05:29
valorietwo forums in the text, but three links05:36
valorieactually, I 'll go through that when you are done with it05:37
ahoneybunso on the trello we have one more thing, bug reporting05:38
valorieso, you went through these old pages already, right?05:40
valoriethere are loads like this, with the old header05:41
valoriewhich is not beautiful05:41
ahoneybunwell looked05:42
ahoneybunlittlegirl did beautiful docs05:42
ahoneybunon the contactus page05:42
valorienothing against the page; just the old header05:43
valorieall gray blobs05:43
ahoneybunI'm saying the content is wonderful05:43
valoriewe do have one nice new header05:43
valoriebut it isn't used much05:43
ahoneybunonly problem is that we have to use the way the content is written everywhere to look good05:44
ahoneybunnew header?05:45
valoriethe slim blue one05:46
ahoneybuncan I just take the content off that contactus page and reuse it?05:46
ahoneybunthe way it is layed out05:46
ahoneybunjessie: you there?05:47
valoriewhen you are done I will go through it05:49
ahoneybunvalorie: go right ahead05:49
ahoneybunI think I need fresh eyes on it05:49
ahoneybunmy phone lasted 22 hours today05:51
ahoneybunpalasso: hello!05:53
palassoHi ahoneybun :)05:54
ahoneybunpalasso: whats up05:54
palassonothing much05:54
ahoneybunvalorie: I made lordievader a normal member on the board05:54
jessieahoneybun: Yes, I am here at times.05:57
ahoneybunwere you talking on the devel list?05:58
ahoneybunI think wrong person06:02
ahoneybunvalorie: how is the editing doing?06:03
valoriedone with https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved I think06:05
ahoneybunanyway I'm going to live in like 15 mins06:07
valoriehave fun!06:08
ahoneybunyea kinda have a headache06:08
ahoneybunpalasso: do you have a trello account?06:09
ahoneybunit's fine06:09
* valorie passes the cool lemonade to ahoneybun06:09
palassoNo I don't06:09
ahoneybunoh ok06:09
ahoneybun? lol06:09
ahoneybunpalasso: want to help with the docs?06:09
ahoneybuncool lemonade?06:10
palassoI hadn't seen them in days. I checked them out. They've grown from last time I checked. I will read them more carefully later for proofreading06:10
ahoneybunpalasso: cool can you make a trello account and I'll add you as a member to the board06:11
palassoI'm not a Kubuntu member. Should I be in the board?06:12
ahoneybunpalasso: I'm not either06:12
valorieand you should consider membership06:12
valoriewhen you qualify06:12
valoriehi himcesjf06:12
valorieahoneybun: himcesjf is another person who wants to help us on the docs06:13
palassoOhh ok I'll make a trello account later today06:13
valoriehimcesjf: meet ahoneybun, aaron06:13
himcesjfHey ahoneybun and aaron06:13
ahoneybunhimcesjf: hi we are the same person06:14
valoriesorry, I meant to say that ahoneybun IS aaron06:14
ahoneybunyep 06:14
himcesjfGot it. Nice to meet you ahoneybun06:15
valorieand himcesjf is himanshu, one of my friends06:15
ahoneybunhimcesjf: same here06:15
ahoneybunvalorie: cool06:15
ahoneybunhimcesjf: the more the merrier06:16
ahoneybunso we have Darkwing, valorie, ahoneybun, lordievader, palasso and himcesjf or so06:17
valorieif all of use contribute just a bit, we06:18
valorie'll have the best docs around!06:18
valoriewell, next to KDE's, which rock now06:18
ahoneybunthats the plan06:18
valorieI have to say that archlinux has an excellent wiki too06:19
valorietoo techie for my taste, but very complete06:19
ahoneybuntbh Kubuntu has to many double pages06:19
valorieI think himcesjf missed the bit about trello06:19
valoriewhere we have our todos and such06:20
valorienot open source, afaik, but useful nonetheless06:20
ahoneybunvalorie: I think we need to try to have another hangout to speed up all the new people 06:21
valorielordievader, palasso, himcesjf: are you all subbed to kubuntu-devel list?06:21
valorieif not, sub please06:22
palassoI am06:22
ahoneybunvalorie: maybe just get them all subbed up and resend the message darkwing sent out06:23
valoriethey can look at the archives06:24
valorieno need to resend06:24
ahoneybunoh ok06:24
ahoneybunanyway nice to meet you himcesjf06:28
ahoneybunvalorie: away I go06:28
valoriefeel better, ahoneybun06:28
himcesjfI'm subscribed to kubuntu-devel mailing list and yes, did check trello as mentioned in the channel topic06:29
ahoneybunvalorie: it's nothing but thanks ;) 06:29
valorieah, someone who reads /topic!06:29
ahoneybunhimcesjf: make a trello account and I'll add you if valorie can't 06:29
ahoneybunby all!06:29
himcesjfSure. Bye06:30
lordievadervalorie: I'm subbed for quite a while now ;)07:30
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markeymy Qt Creator isn't showing any Qt API docs. what am I missing?09:09
markeyI guess09:10
markeygot confused because other qt packages are named libqt4-09:11
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BluesKajHiyas all09:57
shadeslayerRiddell: I didn't realize Scotland Yard had a blue box that moves in time and space :P11:01
Riddellshadeslayer:   :)  England's police HQ does have a classic sign to that description11:07
jussicripes a "shred -vn7" takes a long time...11:07
jussifinally am on pass 5....11:10
jussi(started about 5 hours ago...11:11
apacheloggerjussi: can you please tell someone to update the kubuntu channel ACLS?11:27
apacheloggeri.e. old council members out, new members in11:27
jussibah, Tm_T was going to do it. Ill have a look this evening if Elodi goes to sleep...11:28
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shadeslayerFWIW I'm running the script for 4.10.412:13
shadeslayerRiddell: I'm not sure if you noticed, but this : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/75912:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^^12:30
yofelshadeslayer: stgraber was talking about that yesterday in #ubuntu-devel12:45
shadeslayerah, call for testing12:47
shadeslayeryofel: care to setup the status page for 4.10.412:47
yofeleek, forgot about it. Give me a minute12:47
lordievaderyofel, shadeslayer: If that is about upstart, BluesKaj and I tested that yesterday. It works fine :)12:48
yofelshadeslayer: done, next run is in 10min12:49
shadeslayeryofel: np, source is still being downloaded on my server12:49
yofelshadeslayer: mind updating the pad to say that you're working on it please?12:51
shadeslayerRiddell: Season 6 is super scary :S13:00
shadeslayerPatch kubuntu_CVE-2009-2702.diff can be reverse-applied13:25
ubottuKDE KSSL in kdelibs 3.5.4, 4.2.4, and 4.3 does not properly handle a '\0' character in a domain name in the Subject Alternative Name field of an X.509 certificate, which allows man-in-the-middle attackers to spoof arbitrary SSL servers via a crafted certificate issued by a legitimate Certification Authority, a related issue to CVE-2009-2408. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-2702)13:25
shadeslayerit just pased the CVE 13:25
shadeslayerodd, why did we not drop this earlier? why is it still in the packaging?13:26
yofeldid it only start failing now or was it disabled?13:26
shadeslayerbzr log doesn't mention it anywhere except for the recent merge13:34
shadeslayerokay, bzr log -p does show it, it was enabled earlier13:35
shadeslayerso it only started failing now13:35
yofelahoneybun: as you're reworking the getting involved documentation, you might want to look at http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute and esp. the wiki sites linked from there13:45
yofelahoneybun: ah, you're already pointing to those, ignore me ^^13:47
* yofel wonders if nepomuk doesn't work for him because virtuoso isn't running...13:51
ScottKshadeslayer: I think that's one that upstream never fixed completely is why we still had a patch.13:51
shadeslayerchecking history13:54
shadeslayerjust to make sure I don't remove a security patch13:55
shadeslayerjr applied it13:56
shadeslayerCommitted revision 499.                                                                                                                                                        13:57
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=499&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 499 | Made the necessary changes so that kfax will compile with the new libs. Bernd13:57
shadeslayerone more, and we'll hit 500 rev's with kdelibs :P13:57
shadeslayerkajongg and oxygen-icons are apparently out of sync14:00
yofelwtf? http://paste.kde.org/75569014:02
yofelvHanda: ever seen something like that ^14:03
yofelyep, moved that out of the way and nepomuk works again14:04
yofelvHanda: I still have it if you want to take a look14:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: what's that good for?14:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: logs from #ubuntu-devel suggest that it's needed for ubiquity14:23
shadeslayerubiquity-dm specifically14:23
apacheloggergood stuff14:23
shadeslayeryofel: all uploaded15:00
shadeslayerexcept oxygen-icons and kajongg15:00
shadeslayeroxygen-icons 4.10.3 was never uploaded to saucy :S15:02
ahoneybunyofel: thanks!15:34
shadeslayerNo handlers could be found for logger "bzr"15:41
shadeslayeryofel: ^ ever seen that before?15:42
shadeslayerwhen pushing kdeartwork15:42
ahoneybunhello all15:47
lordievaderHey ahoneybun, how are you?15:48
ahoneybunlordievader: fine, you?15:48
lordievaderahoneybun: Doing good too. Do you want a new default menu screenshot for: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software ?15:49
ahoneybundo you have one with one with just the default things?15:51
lordievaderahoneybun: I have a fresh vm ;)15:51
ahoneybunlordievader: sure then go for it, it would look better15:52
lordievaderahoneybun: Under Basic -> Networking -> Wireless, what do you mean with 'Ubuntu-drivers'? Do you mean 'Additional-drivers'?15:54
shadeslayerk sleep15:54
ahoneybunlordievader: yes15:54
lordievaderahoneybun: Ok.15:55
jessieIs the Raring backports on 4.10.2 or 4.10.3?16:02
jessieThe backports PPA, that is.16:03
yofeljessie: raring backports has no KDE, raring updates has 4.10.316:04
jessieyofel: raring-updates ? Mkay, I thought so. Why does it show me being on 4.10.2 then?16:06
yofeljessie: I mean the updates ppa (kubuntu-ppa/ppa), 4.10.3 is in raring-proposed too, will be in -updates on monday I think16:07
jessieyofel: Okay, that makes more sense. I'll add that and see if this bug that was supposedly fixed in 4.10.3 goes away. :-)16:09
lordievaderahoneybun: How do I add/change an image in the wiki?16:09
ahoneybunlordievader: see attachment in the top when you are viewing the wiki page16:10
lordievaderahoneybun: Just saw that ;)16:10
lordievaderahoneybun: Ok, take a look: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software16:11
ahoneybungood, did you use ksnapshot?16:12
lordievaderahoneybun: Yes, and gimp.16:13
ahoneybunI use the capture mode: window under cursor and I get just the menu no back ground16:14
lordievaderahoneybun: Window under cursor gave some artifact, perhaps due to the kwin effects.16:15
ahoneybunlordievader: weird it works great for me, you ss still looks better then mine though :)16:15
jessieRectangle Region + 1 second delay? That's the one I use for these kinds of things.16:16
ahoneybunjessie: I just use window under cursor and 3 second delay and it is perfect16:18
ahoneybunTm_T: hello16:48
ahoneybunlordievader: 16:48
lordievaderahoneybun: ?16:48
ahoneybunlordievader: just seeing if I'm still connected16:49
lordievaderahoneybun: I recieve your message :)16:49
ahoneybunlordievader: busy making the docs awesome16:59
lordievaderahoneybun: Going to continue after dinner.17:00
ahoneybunok cool17:00
lordievaderahoneybun: What target-audience do I need to keep in mind?17:55
ahoneybunlordievader: very beginner17:56
lordievaderahoneybun: Ok thanks.17:56
lordievaderahoneybun: Would it be a good idea to write a short how-to in the "managing software" section instead of giving links?18:03
ahoneybunlordievader: we are giving links to work that is already done18:03
ahoneybuntrying to avoid redoing work18:03
lordievaderahoneybun: I get that, but this way it seems a bit... euhmm.. empty.18:09
ahoneybunI guess what are you writting about?18:11
lordievaderahoneybun: Currently nothing, just looking at the page thinking of how it can be improved.18:12
xnoxapachelogger: shadeslayer: it's good for many things. It lets you start/stop/restart desktop-session services & get their logging stuctured correctly. It also limits any daemons getting reparented to pid1, thus makeing log out more reliable.18:16
xnoxand I'd like to use it for ubiquity as well (drop ubiquity-dm, and simply pre-empt full desktop with launching ubiquity alone)18:16
lordievaderahoneybun: Whoo including such parts might be better than linking :)18:33
ahoneybunlordievader: what18:33
lordievaderahoneybun: About the Managing Software still.18:34
ahoneybunlordievader: the plan is to link what is done and then fill in the rest18:35
lordievaderahoneybun: Hold on, let me see if I can work out what I have in mind.18:36
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lordievaderahoneybun: Something like this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic#Managing_Software_in_a_Graphical_Interface_.28Muon.2918:47
lordievaderahoneybun: Note the bit till the last sourced from the actual ManagingSoftware page.18:47
ahoneybunwait did you move that?18:48
lordievaderahoneybun: No, I included a bit of the ManagingSoftware page. I love include functions, appearantly this wiki also has an include function :)18:49
ahoneybunI'm not following18:50
lordievaderahoneybun: Take a look at the source.18:50
ahoneybunoh my18:51
lordievaderAwesome aint it?18:52
ahoneybunyea I did not know that18:52
ahoneybunbut is it not the same as just throwing it on the page?18:53
lordievaderahoneybun: No, the usefull thing about this is, that if the ManagingSofware page is updated, the update is imedeatly visible on the Basic page.18:54
ahoneybunoh really18:54
ahoneybunlordievader: you know more then you let on!18:54
lordievaderahoneybun: I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve ;)18:55
ahoneybunlordievader: it seems there are a lot of double links and such, it needs to be cleaned up18:55
ahoneybunbut great job 18:55
lordievaderahoneybun: It was a bit of a proof of concept.18:56
ahoneybunyea ok18:56
ahoneybuncheck it out now19:00
lordievaderahoneybun: Btw for more info on the include:https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnMacros/Include19:00
lordievaderahoneybun: You've removed the links?19:01
ahoneybunI used the include to have them19:02
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ahoneybunlordievader: work on getting it what you think would look good and we'll work on it later19:14
lordievaderahoneybun: What do you mean?19:15
ahoneybunlordievader: work on getting it to look good then I'll look at it later19:18
lordievaderahoneybun: Where did the commandline page go to, I could have sworn it was there a minute ago.19:20
ahoneybunlordievader: just refresh19:21
lordievaderAh, sorry.19:22
ahoneybunits cool19:25
ahoneybunany off I go to work19:26
lordievaderahoneybun: Okay, have fun!19:26
ahoneybunlordievader: sure lol, you too19:26

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