[01:43] ScottK: nope, which was that? [01:46] oh yes kdeplasma-addons [01:56] Yeah. That one. [03:47] valorie: ping [03:50] pong [03:50] ahoneybun: ^^ [03:51] ^^ [03:51] :-) [03:52] I got a good start on the devel page last night [03:52] but I'll write to the devel list first and get it read for completeness and sanity [03:52] before finding the links to finish it [03:53] dunno about layout etc. [03:53] awesome, if you saw I talked to lordievader today and pointed him to look for errors and make comments on the pages we have so far [03:53] we should have a better kubuntu docs template for new pages [03:54] yes, but I think devels in particular need to look at that one because neither of us is a devel [03:54] yea [03:54] what about nano as a text editor? [03:55] ah, no one in #kde-cafe mentioned using nano to actually code in [03:56] I've usually seen that used as a fixer of system files [03:56] I don't want to load the page with a bunch of stuff no one uses [03:58] what page can we use as a template? [03:58] or leave out anything that will show devels that they can use kubuntu to do everything they need [03:59] you're in charge; pick on you like a lot [04:00] look at the basic kubuntu template we have now too [04:00] valorie: I'm not sure I have the exp needed to be "in charge" [04:01] in charge of getting the docs into the wiki, for sure [04:01] we're all learning [04:01] yea seems I know the most about the wiki [04:01] so just Do It [04:01] I'm not going to stop, I'm just making a point ;) [04:02] anything we do can be changed, so no harm done no matter what [04:02] yea [04:03] the Basic page has the most and is layed out well for the most part I think [04:06] if we have a good template, you don't have make all the pages; I will be able to do it by myself [04:06] sec === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [04:07] k [04:13] sec? === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [04:27] sec is short for second [04:27] but I'm back [04:47] hello? [04:48] ahoneybun: Hello! [04:49] ok good [04:49] jessie: hello! [04:49] valorie: ping [04:49] pong [04:49] damn, more freaking tornadoes in oklahoma [04:50] my router freaked out [04:51] valorie: I know, right. It's bad news. :-/ [04:51] the only good thing is that it's hitting where people are well prepared [04:52] but dang, those people have been pounded [04:53] valorie: what did you mean by "sec" [04:53] ah, you didn't see my reply [04:53] that's short for 'second' [04:53] like 'min' for minute [04:56] I thought so [04:56] no it stopped at the sec part [05:00] so you second the choose of using the basic page as a templete [05:04] sure, that's fine [05:04] a template is pretty barebones [05:04] but it does save some time [05:05] yea [05:23] so just make a new page with the basic page as a copy? [05:24] no, look at our other templates [05:24] valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development [05:25] for instance, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software/Utilities?action=edit&template=KubuntuTemplate [05:25] did you make that? [05:25] so we can just use that? [05:26] no, the packagers made that [05:26] oh [05:26] I think we should just link to that, yes [05:26] in the getting involved part [05:26] can't top that page for sure [05:26] its very nice [05:27] there a lot of pages for getting involved [05:27] I think we shoule link to them [05:27] then write what we are messing ourselfs [05:28] right [05:28] no point in redoing excellent stuff [05:28] just replace crappy stuff and fill in holes [05:28] yep [05:29] with this the getting involved will be finished soon [05:29] weeeeee [05:32] lol [05:36] \o/ [05:36] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved [05:36] two forums in the text, but three links [05:37] fixed [05:37] actually, I 'll go through that when you are done with it [05:38] so on the trello we have one more thing, bug reporting [05:39] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ContactUs [05:40] so, you went through these old pages already, right? [05:41] there are loads like this, with the old header [05:41] which is not beautiful [05:42] well looked [05:42] littlegirl did beautiful docs [05:42] on the contactus page [05:43] nothing against the page; just the old header [05:43] all gray blobs [05:43] I'm saying the content is wonderful [05:43] we do have one nice new header [05:43] but it isn't used much [05:44] only problem is that we have to use the way the content is written everywhere to look good [05:45] new header? [05:46] the slim blue one [05:46] can I just take the content off that contactus page and reuse it? [05:46] the way it is layed out [05:47] sure [05:47] jessie: you there? [05:47] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved [05:49] awesome! [05:49] when you are done I will go through it [05:49] valorie: go right ahead [05:49] I think I need fresh eyes on it [05:50] ok! [05:51] my phone lasted 22 hours today [05:53] palasso: hello! [05:54] Hi ahoneybun :) [05:54] palasso: whats up [05:54] nothing much [05:54] valorie: I made lordievader a normal member on the board [05:55] cool [05:55] yep [05:57] ahoneybun: Yes, I am here at times. [05:58] were you talking on the devel list? [06:02] I think wrong person [06:03] valorie: how is the editing doing? [06:03] going? [06:05] done with https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved I think [06:07] cool [06:07] anyway I'm going to live in like 15 mins [06:07] leave [06:08] have fun! [06:08] yea kinda have a headache [06:09] :( [06:09] palasso: do you have a trello account? [06:09] it's fine [06:09] * valorie passes the cool lemonade to ahoneybun [06:09] No I don't [06:09] oh ok [06:09] ? lol [06:09] palasso: want to help with the docs? [06:10] cool lemonade? [06:10] I hadn't seen them in days. I checked them out. They've grown from last time I checked. I will read them more carefully later for proofreading [06:11] palasso: cool can you make a trello account and I'll add you as a member to the board [06:12] I'm not a Kubuntu member. Should I be in the board? [06:12] sure! [06:12] palasso: I'm not either [06:12] lol [06:12] and you should consider membership [06:12] when you qualify [06:12] hi himcesjf [06:13] ahoneybun: himcesjf is another person who wants to help us on the docs [06:13] Ohh ok I'll make a trello account later today [06:13] himcesjf: meet ahoneybun, aaron [06:13] Hey ahoneybun and aaron [06:14] himcesjf: hi we are the same person [06:14] Heh [06:14] sorry, I meant to say that ahoneybun IS aaron [06:14] yep [06:15] Got it. Nice to meet you ahoneybun [06:15] and himcesjf is himanshu, one of my friends [06:15] himcesjf: same here [06:15] valorie: cool [06:16] himcesjf: the more the merrier [06:17] so we have Darkwing, valorie, ahoneybun, lordievader, palasso and himcesjf or so [06:18] if all of use contribute just a bit, we [06:18] 'll have the best docs around! [06:18] well, next to KDE's, which rock now [06:18] thats the plan [06:19] I have to say that archlinux has an excellent wiki too [06:19] yes [06:19] too techie for my taste, but very complete [06:19] tbh Kubuntu has to many double pages [06:19] I think himcesjf missed the bit about trello [06:20] where we have our todos and such [06:20] https://trello.com [06:20] not open source, afaik, but useful nonetheless [06:21] valorie: I think we need to try to have another hangout to speed up all the new people [06:21] lordievader, palasso, himcesjf: are you all subbed to kubuntu-devel list? [06:22] if not, sub please [06:22] I am [06:23] valorie: maybe just get them all subbed up and resend the message darkwing sent out [06:24] they can look at the archives [06:24] no need to resend [06:24] oh ok [06:28] anyway nice to meet you himcesjf [06:28] valorie: away I go [06:28] feel better, ahoneybun [06:29] I'm subscribed to kubuntu-devel mailing list and yes, did check trello as mentioned in the channel topic [06:29] valorie: it's nothing but thanks ;) [06:29] ah, someone who reads /topic! [06:29] excellent [06:29] himcesjf: make a trello account and I'll add you if valorie can't [06:29] by all! [06:30] bey [06:30] bye [06:30] Sure. Bye [07:30] valorie: I'm subbed for quite a while now ;) === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [09:09] my Qt Creator isn't showing any Qt API docs. what am I missing? [09:10] oh [09:10] qt4-doc [09:10] I guess [09:11] got confused because other qt packages are named libqt4- === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [09:57] Hiyas all [11:01] Riddell: I didn't realize Scotland Yard had a blue box that moves in time and space :P [11:07] shadeslayer: :) England's police HQ does have a classic sign to that description [11:07] cripes a "shred -vn7" takes a long time... [11:08] :P [11:10] finally am on pass 5.... [11:11] (started about 5 hours ago... [11:27] jussi: can you please tell someone to update the kubuntu channel ACLS? [11:27] i.e. old council members out, new members in [11:28] bah, Tm_T was going to do it. Ill have a look this evening if Elodi goes to sleep... === ovidiu-florin is now known as ovidiu-florin_ === ovidiu-florin_ is now known as ovidiu-florin [12:13] FWIW I'm running the script for 4.10.4 [12:30] oooh [12:30] Riddell: I'm not sure if you noticed, but this : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/759 [12:30] apachelogger: ^^ [12:45] shadeslayer: stgraber was talking about that yesterday in #ubuntu-devel [12:47] ah, call for testing [12:47] yofel: care to setup the status page for 4.10.4 [12:47] eek, forgot about it. Give me a minute [12:48] yofel, shadeslayer: If that is about upstart, BluesKaj and I tested that yesterday. It works fine :) [12:48] yay [12:49] ^^ [12:49] shadeslayer: done, next run is in 10min [12:49] yofel: np, source is still being downloaded on my server [12:51] shadeslayer: mind updating the pad to say that you're working on it please? [12:51] ofcourse [12:52] done [13:00] Riddell: Season 6 is super scary :S [13:25] Patch kubuntu_CVE-2009-2702.diff can be reverse-applied [13:25] KDE KSSL in kdelibs 3.5.4, 4.2.4, and 4.3 does not properly handle a '\0' character in a domain name in the Subject Alternative Name field of an X.509 certificate, which allows man-in-the-middle attackers to spoof arbitrary SSL servers via a crafted certificate issued by a legitimate Certification Authority, a related issue to CVE-2009-2408. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-2702) [13:25] O_O [13:25] ah [13:25] it just pased the CVE [13:26] odd, why did we not drop this earlier? why is it still in the packaging? [13:26] did it only start failing now or was it disabled? [13:34] bzr log doesn't mention it anywhere except for the recent merge [13:35] okay, bzr log -p does show it, it was enabled earlier [13:35] so it only started failing now [13:45] ahoneybun: as you're reworking the getting involved documentation, you might want to look at http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute and esp. the wiki sites linked from there [13:47] ahoneybun: ah, you're already pointing to those, ignore me ^^ [13:51] hm... [13:51] * yofel wonders if nepomuk doesn't work for him because virtuoso isn't running... [13:51] shadeslayer: I think that's one that upstream never fixed completely is why we still had a patch. [13:54] checking history [13:55] just to make sure I don't remove a security patch [13:56] jr applied it [13:56] e2de9d0925699471cdfb9a8d26feffb4a18f4f4d [13:56] awesome [13:57] Committed revision 499. [13:57] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=499&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 499 | Made the necessary changes so that kfax will compile with the new libs. Bernd [13:57] one more, and we'll hit 500 rev's with kdelibs :P [14:00] kajongg and oxygen-icons are apparently out of sync [14:02] wtf? http://paste.kde.org/755690 [14:03] vHanda: ever seen something like that ^ [14:04] yep, moved that out of the way and nepomuk works again [14:05] vHanda: I still have it if you want to take a look [14:09] http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/misc/soprano-virtuoso.trx.old [14:23] shadeslayer: what's that good for? [14:23] apachelogger: logs from #ubuntu-devel suggest that it's needed for ubiquity [14:23] ubiquity-dm specifically [14:23] good stuff [15:00] yofel: all uploaded [15:00] except oxygen-icons and kajongg [15:02] oxygen-icons 4.10.3 was never uploaded to saucy :S [15:34] yofel: thanks! [15:41] O_O [15:41] No handlers could be found for logger "bzr" [15:42] yofel: ^ ever seen that before? [15:42] when pushing kdeartwork [15:47] hello all [15:48] Hey ahoneybun, how are you? [15:48] lordievader: fine, you? [15:49] ahoneybun: Doing good too. Do you want a new default menu screenshot for: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software ? [15:51] do you have one with one with just the default things? [15:51] ahoneybun: I have a fresh vm ;) [15:52] lordievader: sure then go for it, it would look better [15:54] ahoneybun: Under Basic -> Networking -> Wireless, what do you mean with 'Ubuntu-drivers'? Do you mean 'Additional-drivers'? [15:54] k sleep [15:54] lordievader: yes [15:55] ahoneybun: Ok. [16:02] Is the Raring backports on 4.10.2 or 4.10.3? [16:03] The backports PPA, that is. [16:04] jessie: raring backports has no KDE, raring updates has 4.10.3 [16:06] yofel: raring-updates ? Mkay, I thought so. Why does it show me being on 4.10.2 then? [16:07] jessie: I mean the updates ppa (kubuntu-ppa/ppa), 4.10.3 is in raring-proposed too, will be in -updates on monday I think [16:09] yofel: Okay, that makes more sense. I'll add that and see if this bug that was supposedly fixed in 4.10.3 goes away. :-) [16:09] ahoneybun: How do I add/change an image in the wiki? [16:10] lordievader: see attachment in the top when you are viewing the wiki page [16:10] ahoneybun: Just saw that ;) [16:10] ok [16:10] ;) [16:11] ahoneybun: Ok, take a look: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software [16:12] good, did you use ksnapshot? [16:13] ahoneybun: Yes, and gimp. [16:14] I use the capture mode: window under cursor and I get just the menu no back ground [16:15] ahoneybun: Window under cursor gave some artifact, perhaps due to the kwin effects. [16:15] lordievader: weird it works great for me, you ss still looks better then mine though :) [16:16] brb [16:16] Rectangle Region + 1 second delay? That's the one I use for these kinds of things. [16:16] http://imgur.com/fJcaJyU [16:18] back [16:18] jessie: I just use window under cursor and 3 second delay and it is perfect [16:41] ohai [16:48] Tm_T: hello [16:48] lordievader: [16:48] ahoneybun: ? [16:49] lordievader: just seeing if I'm still connected [16:49] ahoneybun: I recieve your message :) [16:49] cool [16:59] lordievader: busy making the docs awesome [16:59] ? [17:00] ahoneybun: Going to continue after dinner. [17:00] ok cool [17:55] ahoneybun: What target-audience do I need to keep in mind? [17:56] lordievader: very beginner [17:56] ahoneybun: Ok thanks. [17:56] yep [18:03] ahoneybun: Would it be a good idea to write a short how-to in the "managing software" section instead of giving links? [18:03] lordievader: we are giving links to work that is already done [18:03] trying to avoid redoing work [18:09] ahoneybun: I get that, but this way it seems a bit... euhmm.. empty. [18:11] I guess what are you writting about? [18:11] writing [18:12] ahoneybun: Currently nothing, just looking at the page thinking of how it can be improved. [18:12] yea [18:16] apachelogger: shadeslayer: it's good for many things. It lets you start/stop/restart desktop-session services & get their logging stuctured correctly. It also limits any daemons getting reparented to pid1, thus makeing log out more reliable. [18:16] and I'd like to use it for ubiquity as well (drop ubiquity-dm, and simply pre-empt full desktop with launching ubiquity alone) [18:33] ahoneybun: Whoo including such parts might be better than linking :) [18:33] lordievader: what [18:33] ? [18:34] ahoneybun: About the Managing Software still. [18:35] lordievader: the plan is to link what is done and then fill in the rest [18:36] ahoneybun: Hold on, let me see if I can work out what I have in mind. [18:36] ok === jono is now known as Guest59264 [18:47] ahoneybun: Something like this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic#Managing_Software_in_a_Graphical_Interface_.28Muon.29 [18:47] ahoneybun: Note the bit till the last sourced from the actual ManagingSoftware page. [18:48] wait did you move that? [18:49] ahoneybun: No, I included a bit of the ManagingSoftware page. I love include functions, appearantly this wiki also has an include function :) [18:50] I'm not following [18:50] ahoneybun: Take a look at the source. [18:51] oh my [18:52] Awesome aint it? [18:52] yea I did not know that [18:53] but is it not the same as just throwing it on the page? [18:54] ahoneybun: No, the usefull thing about this is, that if the ManagingSofware page is updated, the update is imedeatly visible on the Basic page. [18:54] oh really [18:54] lordievader: you know more then you let on! [18:55] ahoneybun: I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve ;) [18:55] lordievader: it seems there are a lot of double links and such, it needs to be cleaned up [18:55] but great job [18:56] ahoneybun: It was a bit of a proof of concept. [18:56] yea ok [19:00] check it out now [19:00] ahoneybun: Btw for more info on the include:https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnMacros/Include [19:00] cool [19:01] ahoneybun: You've removed the links? [19:02] I used the include to have them === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [19:14] lordievader: work on getting it what you think would look good and we'll work on it later [19:15] ahoneybun: What do you mean? [19:18] lordievader: work on getting it to look good then I'll look at it later [19:20] ahoneybun: Where did the commandline page go to, I could have sworn it was there a minute ago. [19:21] lordievader: just refresh [19:22] Ah, sorry. [19:25] its cool [19:26] any off I go to work [19:26] ahoneybun: Okay, have fun! [19:26] lordievader: sure lol, you too