[01:43] <Riddell> ScottK: nope, which was that?
[01:46] <Riddell> oh yes kdeplasma-addons
[01:56] <ScottK> Yeah.  That one.
[03:47] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[03:50] <valorie> pong
[03:50] <valorie> ahoneybun: ^^
[03:51] <ahoneybun> ^^
[03:51] <valorie> :-)
[03:52] <valorie> I got a good start on the devel page last night
[03:52] <valorie> but I'll write to the devel list first and get it read for completeness and sanity
[03:52] <valorie> before finding the links to finish it
[03:53] <valorie> dunno about layout etc.
[03:53] <ahoneybun> awesome, if you saw I talked to lordievader today and pointed him to look for errors and make comments on the pages we have so far
[03:53] <valorie> we should have a better kubuntu docs template for new pages
[03:54] <valorie> yes, but I think devels in particular need to look at that one because neither of us is a devel
[03:54] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:54] <ahoneybun> what about nano as a text editor?
[03:55] <valorie> ah, no one in #kde-cafe mentioned using nano to actually code in
[03:56] <valorie> I've usually seen that used as a fixer of system files
[03:56] <valorie> I don't want to load the page with a bunch of stuff no one uses
[03:58] <ahoneybun> what page can we use as a template?
[03:58] <valorie> or leave out anything that will show devels that they can use kubuntu to do everything they need
[03:59] <valorie> you're in charge; pick on you like a lot
[04:00] <valorie> look at the basic kubuntu template we have now too
[04:00] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm not sure I have the exp needed to be "in charge"
[04:01] <valorie> in charge of getting the docs into the wiki, for sure
[04:01] <valorie> we're all learning
[04:01] <ahoneybun> yea seems I know the most about the wiki
[04:01] <valorie> so just Do It
[04:01] <ahoneybun> I'm not going to stop, I'm just making a point ;)
[04:02] <valorie> anything we do can be changed, so no harm done no matter what
[04:02] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:03] <ahoneybun> the Basic page has the most and is layed out well for the most part I think
[04:06] <valorie> if we have a good template, you don't have make all the pages; I will be able to do it by myself
[04:06] <valorie> sec
[04:07] <ahoneybun> k
[04:13] <ahoneybun> sec?
[04:27] <valorie> sec is short for second
[04:27] <valorie> but I'm back
[04:47] <ahoneybun> hello?
[04:48] <jessie> ahoneybun: Hello!
[04:49] <ahoneybun> ok good
[04:49] <ahoneybun> jessie: hello!
[04:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[04:49] <valorie> pong
[04:49] <valorie> damn, more freaking tornadoes in oklahoma
[04:50] <ahoneybun> my router freaked out
[04:51] <jessie> valorie: I know, right. It's bad news. :-/
[04:51] <valorie> the only good thing is that it's hitting where people are well prepared
[04:52] <valorie> but dang, those people have been pounded
[04:53] <ahoneybun> valorie: what did you mean by "sec"
[04:53] <valorie> ah, you didn't see my reply
[04:53] <valorie> that's short for 'second'
[04:53] <valorie> like 'min' for minute
[04:56] <ahoneybun> I thought so
[04:56] <ahoneybun> no it stopped at the sec part
[05:00] <ahoneybun> so you second the choose of using the basic page as a templete
[05:04] <valorie> sure, that's fine
[05:04] <valorie> a template is pretty barebones
[05:04] <valorie> but it does save some time
[05:05] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:23] <ahoneybun> so just make a new page with the basic page as a copy?
[05:24] <valorie> no, look at our other templates
[05:24] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development
[05:25] <valorie> for instance, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software/Utilities?action=edit&template=KubuntuTemplate
[05:25] <ahoneybun> did you make that? 
[05:25] <ahoneybun> so we can just use that?
[05:26] <valorie> no, the packagers made that
[05:26] <ahoneybun> oh
[05:26] <valorie> I think we should just link to that, yes
[05:26] <valorie> in the getting involved part
[05:26] <valorie> can't top that page for sure
[05:26] <ahoneybun> its very nice
[05:27] <ahoneybun> there a lot of pages for getting involved
[05:27] <ahoneybun> I think we shoule link to them
[05:27] <ahoneybun> then write what we are messing ourselfs
[05:28] <valorie> right
[05:28] <valorie> no point in redoing excellent stuff
[05:28] <valorie> just replace crappy stuff and fill in holes
[05:28] <ahoneybun> yep
[05:29] <ahoneybun> with this the getting involved will be finished soon
[05:29] <valorie> weeeeee
[05:32] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:36] <ahoneybun> \o/
[05:36] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved
[05:36] <valorie> two forums in the text, but three links
[05:37] <ahoneybun> fixed
[05:37] <valorie> actually, I 'll go through that when you are done with it
[05:38] <ahoneybun> so on the trello we have one more thing, bug reporting
[05:39] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ContactUs
[05:40] <valorie> so, you went through these old pages already, right?
[05:41] <valorie> there are loads like this, with the old header
[05:41] <valorie> which is not beautiful
[05:42] <ahoneybun> well looked
[05:42] <ahoneybun> littlegirl did beautiful docs
[05:42] <ahoneybun> on the contactus page
[05:43] <valorie> nothing against the page; just the old header
[05:43] <valorie> all gray blobs
[05:43] <ahoneybun> I'm saying the content is wonderful
[05:43] <valorie> we do have one nice new header
[05:43] <valorie> but it isn't used much
[05:44] <ahoneybun> only problem is that we have to use the way the content is written everywhere to look good
[05:45] <ahoneybun> new header?
[05:46] <valorie> the slim blue one
[05:46] <ahoneybun> can I just take the content off that contactus page and reuse it?
[05:46] <ahoneybun> the way it is layed out
[05:47] <valorie> sure
[05:47] <ahoneybun> jessie: you there?
[05:47] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved
[05:49] <valorie> awesome!
[05:49] <valorie> when you are done I will go through it
[05:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: go right ahead
[05:49] <ahoneybun> I think I need fresh eyes on it
[05:50] <valorie> ok!
[05:51] <ahoneybun> my phone lasted 22 hours today
[05:53] <ahoneybun> palasso: hello!
[05:54] <palasso> Hi ahoneybun :)
[05:54] <ahoneybun> palasso: whats up
[05:54] <palasso> nothing much
[05:54] <ahoneybun> valorie: I made lordievader a normal member on the board
[05:55] <valorie> cool
[05:55] <ahoneybun> yep
[05:57] <jessie> ahoneybun: Yes, I am here at times.
[05:58] <ahoneybun> were you talking on the devel list?
[06:02] <ahoneybun> I think wrong person
[06:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: how is the editing doing?
[06:03] <ahoneybun> going?
[06:05] <valorie> done with https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved I think
[06:07] <ahoneybun> cool
[06:07] <ahoneybun> anyway I'm going to live in like 15 mins
[06:07] <ahoneybun> leave
[06:08] <valorie> have fun!
[06:08] <ahoneybun> yea kinda have a headache
[06:09] <valorie> :(
[06:09] <ahoneybun> palasso: do you have a trello account?
[06:09] <ahoneybun> it's fine
[06:09]  * valorie passes the cool lemonade to ahoneybun
[06:09] <palasso> No I don't
[06:09] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[06:09] <ahoneybun> ? lol
[06:09] <ahoneybun> palasso: want to help with the docs?
[06:10] <ahoneybun> cool lemonade?
[06:10] <palasso> I hadn't seen them in days. I checked them out. They've grown from last time I checked. I will read them more carefully later for proofreading
[06:11] <ahoneybun> palasso: cool can you make a trello account and I'll add you as a member to the board
[06:12] <palasso> I'm not a Kubuntu member. Should I be in the board?
[06:12] <valorie> sure!
[06:12] <ahoneybun> palasso: I'm not either
[06:12] <ahoneybun> lol
[06:12] <valorie> and you should consider membership
[06:12] <valorie> when you qualify
[06:12] <valorie> hi himcesjf
[06:13] <valorie> ahoneybun: himcesjf is another person who wants to help us on the docs
[06:13] <palasso> Ohh ok I'll make a trello account later today
[06:13] <valorie> himcesjf: meet ahoneybun, aaron
[06:13] <himcesjf> Hey ahoneybun and aaron
[06:14] <ahoneybun> himcesjf: hi we are the same person
[06:14] <himcesjf> Heh
[06:14] <valorie> sorry, I meant to say that ahoneybun IS aaron
[06:14] <ahoneybun> yep 
[06:15] <himcesjf> Got it. Nice to meet you ahoneybun
[06:15] <valorie> and himcesjf is himanshu, one of my friends
[06:15] <ahoneybun> himcesjf: same here
[06:15] <ahoneybun> valorie: cool
[06:16] <ahoneybun> himcesjf: the more the merrier
[06:17] <ahoneybun> so we have Darkwing, valorie, ahoneybun, lordievader, palasso and himcesjf or so
[06:18] <valorie> if all of use contribute just a bit, we
[06:18] <valorie> 'll have the best docs around!
[06:18] <valorie> well, next to KDE's, which rock now
[06:18] <ahoneybun> thats the plan
[06:19] <valorie> I have to say that archlinux has an excellent wiki too
[06:19] <ahoneybun> yes
[06:19] <valorie> too techie for my taste, but very complete
[06:19] <ahoneybun> tbh Kubuntu has to many double pages
[06:19] <valorie> I think himcesjf missed the bit about trello
[06:20] <valorie> where we have our todos and such
[06:20] <valorie> https://trello.com
[06:20] <valorie> not open source, afaik, but useful nonetheless
[06:21] <ahoneybun> valorie: I think we need to try to have another hangout to speed up all the new people 
[06:21] <valorie> lordievader, palasso, himcesjf: are you all subbed to kubuntu-devel list?
[06:22] <valorie> if not, sub please
[06:22] <palasso> I am
[06:23] <ahoneybun> valorie: maybe just get them all subbed up and resend the message darkwing sent out
[06:24] <valorie> they can look at the archives
[06:24] <valorie> no need to resend
[06:24] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[06:28] <ahoneybun> anyway nice to meet you himcesjf
[06:28] <ahoneybun> valorie: away I go
[06:28] <valorie> feel better, ahoneybun
[06:29] <himcesjf> I'm subscribed to kubuntu-devel mailing list and yes, did check trello as mentioned in the channel topic
[06:29] <ahoneybun> valorie: it's nothing but thanks ;) 
[06:29] <valorie> ah, someone who reads /topic!
[06:29] <valorie> excellent
[06:29] <ahoneybun> himcesjf: make a trello account and I'll add you if valorie can't 
[06:29] <ahoneybun> by all!
[06:30] <ahoneybun> bey
[06:30] <ahoneybun> bye
[06:30] <himcesjf> Sure. Bye
[07:30] <lordievader> valorie: I'm subbed for quite a while now ;)
[09:09] <markey> my Qt Creator isn't showing any Qt API docs. what am I missing?
[09:10] <markey> oh
[09:10] <markey> qt4-doc
[09:10] <markey> I guess
[09:11] <markey> got confused because other qt packages are named libqt4-
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I didn't realize Scotland Yard had a blue box that moves in time and space :P
[11:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer:   :)  England's police HQ does have a classic sign to that description
[11:07] <jussi> cripes a "shred -vn7" takes a long time...
[11:08] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:10] <jussi> finally am on pass 5....
[11:11] <jussi> (started about 5 hours ago...
[11:27] <apachelogger> jussi: can you please tell someone to update the kubuntu channel ACLS?
[11:27] <apachelogger> i.e. old council members out, new members in
[11:28] <jussi> bah, Tm_T was going to do it. Ill have a look this evening if Elodi goes to sleep...
[12:13] <shadeslayer> FWIW I'm running the script for 4.10.4
[12:30] <shadeslayer> oooh
[12:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm not sure if you noticed, but this : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/759
[12:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[12:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: stgraber was talking about that yesterday in #ubuntu-devel
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ah, call for testing
[12:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: care to setup the status page for 4.10.4
[12:47] <yofel> eek, forgot about it. Give me a minute
[12:48] <lordievader> yofel, shadeslayer: If that is about upstart, BluesKaj and I tested that yesterday. It works fine :)
[12:48] <yofel> yay
[12:49] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: done, next run is in 10min
[12:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: np, source is still being downloaded on my server
[12:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: mind updating the pad to say that you're working on it please?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[12:52] <shadeslayer> done
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Season 6 is super scary :S
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Patch kubuntu_CVE-2009-2702.diff can be reverse-applied
[13:25] <shadeslayer> O_O
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:25] <shadeslayer> it just pased the CVE 
[13:26] <shadeslayer> odd, why did we not drop this earlier? why is it still in the packaging?
[13:26] <yofel> did it only start failing now or was it disabled?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> bzr log doesn't mention it anywhere except for the recent merge
[13:35] <shadeslayer> okay, bzr log -p does show it, it was enabled earlier
[13:35] <shadeslayer> so it only started failing now
[13:45] <yofel> ahoneybun: as you're reworking the getting involved documentation, you might want to look at http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute and esp. the wiki sites linked from there
[13:47] <yofel> ahoneybun: ah, you're already pointing to those, ignore me ^^
[13:51] <yofel> hm...
[13:51]  * yofel wonders if nepomuk doesn't work for him because virtuoso isn't running...
[13:51] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I think that's one that upstream never fixed completely is why we still had a patch.
[13:54] <shadeslayer> checking history
[13:55] <shadeslayer> just to make sure I don't remove a security patch
[13:56] <shadeslayer> jr applied it
[13:56] <shadeslayer> e2de9d0925699471cdfb9a8d26feffb4a18f4f4d
[13:56] <shadeslayer> awesome
[13:57] <shadeslayer> Committed revision 499.                                                                                                                                                        
[13:57] <shadeslayer> one more, and we'll hit 500 rev's with kdelibs :P
[14:00] <shadeslayer> kajongg and oxygen-icons are apparently out of sync
[14:02] <yofel> wtf? http://paste.kde.org/755690
[14:03] <yofel> vHanda: ever seen something like that ^
[14:04] <yofel> yep, moved that out of the way and nepomuk works again
[14:05] <yofel> vHanda: I still have it if you want to take a look
[14:09] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/misc/soprano-virtuoso.trx.old
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's that good for?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: logs from #ubuntu-devel suggest that it's needed for ubiquity
[14:23] <shadeslayer> ubiquity-dm specifically
[14:23] <apachelogger> good stuff
[15:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: all uploaded
[15:00] <shadeslayer> except oxygen-icons and kajongg
[15:02] <shadeslayer> oxygen-icons 4.10.3 was never uploaded to saucy :S
[15:34] <ahoneybun> yofel: thanks!
[15:41] <shadeslayer> O_O
[15:41] <shadeslayer> No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^ ever seen that before?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> when pushing kdeartwork
[15:47] <ahoneybun> hello all
[15:48] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[15:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: fine, you?
[15:49] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Doing good too. Do you want a new default menu screenshot for: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software ?
[15:51] <ahoneybun> do you have one with one with just the default things?
[15:51] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I have a fresh vm ;)
[15:52] <ahoneybun> lordievader: sure then go for it, it would look better
[15:54] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Under Basic -> Networking -> Wireless, what do you mean with 'Ubuntu-drivers'? Do you mean 'Additional-drivers'?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> k sleep
[15:54] <ahoneybun> lordievader: yes
[15:55] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ok.
[16:02] <jessie> Is the Raring backports on 4.10.2 or 4.10.3?
[16:03] <jessie> The backports PPA, that is.
[16:04] <yofel> jessie: raring backports has no KDE, raring updates has 4.10.3
[16:06] <jessie> yofel: raring-updates ? Mkay, I thought so. Why does it show me being on 4.10.2 then?
[16:07] <yofel> jessie: I mean the updates ppa (kubuntu-ppa/ppa), 4.10.3 is in raring-proposed too, will be in -updates on monday I think
[16:09] <jessie> yofel: Okay, that makes more sense. I'll add that and see if this bug that was supposedly fixed in 4.10.3 goes away. :-)
[16:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: How do I add/change an image in the wiki?
[16:10] <ahoneybun> lordievader: see attachment in the top when you are viewing the wiki page
[16:10] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Just saw that ;)
[16:10] <ahoneybun> ok
[16:10] <ahoneybun> ;)
[16:11] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ok, take a look: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[16:12] <ahoneybun> good, did you use ksnapshot?
[16:13] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Yes, and gimp.
[16:14] <ahoneybun> I use the capture mode: window under cursor and I get just the menu no back ground
[16:15] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Window under cursor gave some artifact, perhaps due to the kwin effects.
[16:15] <ahoneybun> lordievader: weird it works great for me, you ss still looks better then mine though :)
[16:16] <ahoneybun> brb
[16:16] <jessie> Rectangle Region + 1 second delay? That's the one I use for these kinds of things.
[16:16] <jessie> http://imgur.com/fJcaJyU
[16:18] <ahoneybun> back
[16:18] <ahoneybun> jessie: I just use window under cursor and 3 second delay and it is perfect
[16:41] <Tm_T> ohai
[16:48] <ahoneybun> Tm_T: hello
[16:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: 
[16:48] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ?
[16:49] <ahoneybun> lordievader: just seeing if I'm still connected
[16:49] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I recieve your message :)
[16:49] <ahoneybun> cool
[16:59] <ahoneybun> lordievader: busy making the docs awesome
[16:59] <ahoneybun> ?
[17:00] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Going to continue after dinner.
[17:00] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[17:55] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What target-audience do I need to keep in mind?
[17:56] <ahoneybun> lordievader: very beginner
[17:56] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ok thanks.
[17:56] <ahoneybun> yep
[18:03] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Would it be a good idea to write a short how-to in the "managing software" section instead of giving links?
[18:03] <ahoneybun> lordievader: we are giving links to work that is already done
[18:03] <ahoneybun> trying to avoid redoing work
[18:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I get that, but this way it seems a bit... euhmm.. empty.
[18:11] <ahoneybun> I guess what are you writting about?
[18:11] <ahoneybun> writing
[18:12] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Currently nothing, just looking at the page thinking of how it can be improved.
[18:12] <ahoneybun> yea
[18:16] <xnox> apachelogger: shadeslayer: it's good for many things. It lets you start/stop/restart desktop-session services & get their logging stuctured correctly. It also limits any daemons getting reparented to pid1, thus makeing log out more reliable.
[18:16] <xnox> and I'd like to use it for ubiquity as well (drop ubiquity-dm, and simply pre-empt full desktop with launching ubiquity alone)
[18:33] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Whoo including such parts might be better than linking :)
[18:33] <ahoneybun> lordievader: what
[18:33] <ahoneybun> ?
[18:34] <lordievader> ahoneybun: About the Managing Software still.
[18:35] <ahoneybun> lordievader: the plan is to link what is done and then fill in the rest
[18:36] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Hold on, let me see if I can work out what I have in mind.
[18:36] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:47] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Something like this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic#Managing_Software_in_a_Graphical_Interface_.28Muon.29
[18:47] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Note the bit till the last sourced from the actual ManagingSoftware page.
[18:48] <ahoneybun> wait did you move that?
[18:49] <lordievader> ahoneybun: No, I included a bit of the ManagingSoftware page. I love include functions, appearantly this wiki also has an include function :)
[18:50] <ahoneybun> I'm not following
[18:50] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Take a look at the source.
[18:51] <ahoneybun> oh my
[18:52] <lordievader> Awesome aint it?
[18:52] <ahoneybun> yea I did not know that
[18:53] <ahoneybun> but is it not the same as just throwing it on the page?
[18:54] <lordievader> ahoneybun: No, the usefull thing about this is, that if the ManagingSofware page is updated, the update is imedeatly visible on the Basic page.
[18:54] <ahoneybun> oh really
[18:54] <ahoneybun> lordievader: you know more then you let on!
[18:55] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve ;)
[18:55] <ahoneybun> lordievader: it seems there are a lot of double links and such, it needs to be cleaned up
[18:55] <ahoneybun> but great job 
[18:56] <lordievader> ahoneybun: It was a bit of a proof of concept.
[18:56] <ahoneybun> yea ok
[19:00] <ahoneybun> check it out now
[19:00] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Btw for more info on the include:https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnMacros/Include
[19:00] <ahoneybun> cool
[19:01] <lordievader> ahoneybun: You've removed the links?
[19:02] <ahoneybun> I used the include to have them
[19:14] <ahoneybun> lordievader: work on getting it what you think would look good and we'll work on it later
[19:15] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What do you mean?
[19:18] <ahoneybun> lordievader: work on getting it to look good then I'll look at it later
[19:20] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Where did the commandline page go to, I could have sworn it was there a minute ago.
[19:21] <ahoneybun> lordievader: just refresh
[19:22] <lordievader> Ah, sorry.
[19:25] <ahoneybun> its cool
[19:26] <ahoneybun> any off I go to work
[19:26] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Okay, have fun!
[19:26] <ahoneybun> lordievader: sure lol, you too