hamitronI recall something been done by a lot of providers00:16
hamitrondidn't really read what it was00:16
hamitronit was one of them cool news articles I opened, and didn't bother reading00:17
diddledanI've got approximately 300 spams in my spambox over the last month at my main account, but my old account which forwards to it and used to clock over 3000 per month still only has ~500 for the month00:17
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brobostigongood morning everyone,09:03
brobostigonmorning MartijnVdS09:27
brobostigonmorning KrimZon09:31
SuperEngineerhi folks09:41
MartijnVdSWow, hardware.info did an endurance test with a Samsung SSD09:41
brobostigonresult ?09:42
MartijnVdSthey got to >100 years of "normal" use (up to 10GB writes/day) -- by writing to it constantly for 5 weeks09:42
MartijnVdS>700TB of writes09:42
MartijnVdSSamsung guarantees the cells in the SSD for 1000 write cycles, and they got to 3200ish09:42
MartijnVdSbefore they got the first unrecoverable read error09:43
MartijnVdS(I've been monitoring the hardware sites: the Haswell NDA is supposed to end on June 2nd, and it's already tomorrow in parts of the world already ;)09:45
brobostigoni was impressed last night, my nexus7, wifi turned on, light use, on battery for just over 10 hours, and lost 2% battery.09:45
MartijnVdSthat's quite good09:46
brobostigonyes, thats what i thought.09:47
MartijnVdSyou're sure it wasn't lying on one of those wireless charging devices? :P09:47
brobostigonthe nexus7 isnt capable os such a thing.09:47
MartijnVdSoh wait09:57
MartijnVdSthe 7, not the 4\09:57
MartijnVdSso it doesn't have a 2g/3g radio to suck power :)09:58
brobostigoni quote "my nexus7" :)09:58
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I fail at reading ;)09:58
brobostigonMartijnVdS: :( oh dear.09:59
brobostigonmind you, i wouldnt mind a nexus4, if someone wants to donate one, :)10:00
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iPenguinHi, I am downloading ubuntu mini.iso but for some reason it has been stuck on 6 minuites of download left for ages. Does anyone know what the problem is?12:23
MartijnVdSyour network plug got disconnected12:32
MartijnVdSUseless fact of the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Banana13:05
mungbean.TS files13:06
MartijnVdSmungbean: MPEG transport streams13:06
mungbeanwhat are they and how would i convert to divx?13:06
mungbeanwould the usual mencoder work?13:06
MartijnVdSmungbean: you get them off DVB cards, usually13:06
MartijnVdSmungbean: I chop them using avconv, then hit the result with ghb (gui-handbrake)13:06
MartijnVdSThat generates mpeg4 files13:07
mungbeanavconv is CLI or GUI?13:07
MartijnVdSmungbean: it's the new name of ffmpeg(-cli)13:07
mungbeanoh yeah13:07
MartijnVdSavconv -i your_file.ts -c copy -ss start_second.frame -t duration.frame "Output.mkv"13:07
MartijnVdSmaybe .frame = .fractional seconds, but I never checked13:08
mungbeanah, having problems producing my .TS file anyway13:08
MartijnVdSmungbean: from a DVB source?13:08
mungbeani have a .rec file but my php script to convert to .TS13:08
mungbeanPHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE13:08
MartijnVdSI don't know .rec files13:08
mungbeanits from my topfield pvr13:08
mungbeanallegedly they are v simlar to .TS13:09
MartijnVdSmungbean: Maybe ProjectX can help there13:09
MartijnVdSmungbean: maybe ffmpeg/avconv can read it natively13:09
mungbeanoh pastebinit is broken :(13:10
mungbeanso is paste.ubuntu.com13:10
MartijnVdSmungbean: http://www.toppy.org.uk/~offdigital/rec2ts_v0.02.zip13:11
mungbeanthats windows AFAIK13:11
MartijnVdSit's very plain C13:11
mungbeani was using http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7338&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=013:11
MartijnVdSall you have to do is convert the ULONG/USHORT stuff to uint32 etc.13:11
MartijnVdSah php!13:12
MartijnVdSmungbean: does PHP give you a line number with the error?13:12
mungbeanline 813:12
MartijnVdSyou might be missing a semicolon13:13
MartijnVdSaccording to stackexchange13:13
mungbeani saw that13:14
mungbeanbut no :(13:14
MartijnVdSmungbean: I'm fixing the C file13:14
mungbeanoh you lovely man :D13:15
mungbeanah MartijnVdS , i downloaded the raw file for php and it works13:19
mungbeanso must have been a bad character13:19
mungbeanso will avconv do my cropping?13:21
mungbeani have a .ts file now13:21
mungbeani need divx for the dvd player13:21
MartijnVdSmungbean: avconv does the time cropping, handbrake does the black bar cropping13:21
MartijnVdSah.. old divx :(13:21
mungbeanyeah :(13:22
mungbeani have a dvd player that has usb slot13:22
mungbeanso backups are going on a drive13:22
mungbeanin divx for the dvd player to understand13:22
MartijnVdSmungbean: wget http://martijn.vandestreek.net/~martijn/rec2ts.c13:22
mungbeani'm not very HDef13:22
MartijnVdSmungbean: gcc -o rec2ts rec2ts.c13:22
mungbeanmany thanks13:22
MartijnVdSmungbean: I don't know how to encode to divx, but there must be tons of tutorials13:23
mungbeanmencoder Shaun_the_Sheep_Series_3_-_8._Hard_to_Swallow_b01r70vr_default.mp4 -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=800  -o shaun_3-8-copy2.avi13:23
mungbeanthats what i use for iplayer13:23
mungbeanwill try with the .TS file13:24
mungbeanlol, highlight?13:24
MartijnVdSon "shaun" or on "sheep"? :P13:24
MartijnVdSoh wait you're not Welsh or Kiwi13:25
mungbeanMartijnVdS: thanks for your help13:27
mungbeanby the way, how do i time crop with avconv>13:27
MartijnVdSmungbean: avconv -i inputfile.ts -c copy -ss start_time -t duration output_file.mkv13:28
MartijnVdSoutput file can be .ts too if you want13:28
mungbeanthen it doesn't re-ecode?13:28
mungbeanshoudl be quick..13:28
MartijnVdSstart_time and duration are either in the format: seconds.(either milliseconds or frames, don't know) or hh:mm:ss.frames13:28
MartijnVdSit only copies, no re-encoding13:29
MartijnVdSbut it's ffmpeg13:29
MartijnVdSyou can probably tell it to do xvid encoding at the same time :)13:29
mungbeani found mencoder to be better for that13:29
mungbeancan't remember why13:31
mungbeanmaybe a quality thing :S13:32
mungbeanor an ubuntu avconv crippled issue13:32
popeyubuntu avconf isnt crippled13:32
mungbeanon 12.04?13:32
popeythere's only one or two codecs that we have issues with13:32
mungbeanpopey: do you know who runs paste.ubuntu.com ?13:32
popeyyes, canonical IS13:33
mungbeantry running pastebinit or pasting sometihng via the website13:33
mungbeanah, try the php code13:33
popeysome stuff is blocked13:34
popey"PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed13:34
mungbeandidn't notice that13:34
mungbeanbut deffo, eyah13:34
mungbeanooh vlc not showing the time in the .ts file, how annoying13:35
MartijnVdSmungbean: avidemux will13:35
MartijnVdSmungbean: if it's SD.. otherwise i use mplayer13:35
* MartijnVdS needs better automatic PVR software13:36
mungbeanmplayer doesn't show anything?13:36
MartijnVdSmungbean: press "o" several times13:36
MartijnVdSmungbean: and/or look on the command line you started it from13:36
mungbeanooh tnhkas13:37
mungbeandidn't know that13:37
MartijnVdSIt's how I've been recording satellite tv13:37
MartijnVdStoo bad avidemux can't handle H.264 properly, and I have to guess frame numbers :(13:39
MartijnVdSmungbean: does the C thingy work?13:39
mungbean avconv -i test.ts -c copy -ss 05:36:09 -t 300 test-cropped.ts13:40
mungbeancreated a 0 file13:40
MartijnVdS5 hours, 36 minutes?13:40
MartijnVdSah you always start from 013:40
MartijnVdSeven if the TS timestamps don't13:41
MartijnVdSso it's probably better to get the timing off the command line13:41
mungbeanshould be 5 mins13:41
MartijnVdSmungbean: 00:05:36.9 ?13:41
MartijnVdS9th frame of th 36th second of the 5th minute?13:41
MartijnVdSmungbean: A: 129.4 V: 129.4 A-V:  0.013 ct:  0.024   0/  0 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 013:41
mungbeanseems to have spoiled audio sync13:42
MartijnVdS^ I'd pass "129.4" in that case13:42
mungbeanlet's check again13:42
MartijnVdSmungbean: output to mkv, that keeps better audio sync13:42
mungbeani was doing "copy"13:42
mungbeanhow wold u pass the 129.4?13:44
mungbeani have avconv -i test.ts -c copy -ss 20169.5 -t 300 test-cropped.ts13:44
mungbeanbut fail13:45
mungbean           position may be either in seconds or in "hh:mm:ss[.xxx]" form.13:45
MartijnVdSmungbean: hmm13:46
MartijnVdSyour TS timings are wrong then13:46
MartijnVdSmungbean: I have an intermediate .ts to cope with that:13:47
MartijnVdSavconv -i test.ts -c copy test-out.ts13:47
MartijnVdSthen work on test-out.ts13:47
MartijnVdSavconv -i test-out.ts -c copy -ss blah13:47
MartijnVdS(check timings using test-out.ts as well)13:47
mungbeanah, fantastic , cheers13:49
mungbeantiming fixed now13:50
mungbeanso u reckon ffmpeg better for producing divx from the newly cropped ts?13:50
MartijnVdSyou can crop & encode in one go once you've figured out the crop timings13:51
MartijnVdSmungbean: you can use "avidemux" to get hh:mm:ss.xxx-format times, and it uses its own indexes, so timings should be OK even on the original ts13:51
mungbeanhmm quality seems horrible in the resulting avi13:55
MartijnVdSmungbean: how are you running the command(s)13:55
mungbeanavconv -i test-cropped.ts -c:v mpeg4 -c:a copy -vtag xvid test-cropped.avi13:55
MartijnVdSmungbean: you want a -b:v 800k in there13:56
MartijnVdSor higher13:56
MartijnVdSmaybe even 1000-1200ish13:56
MartijnVdS(video bitrate)13:56
mungbean800k looking good ta13:57
mungbeanwill c:a copy work as a valid divx format?13:57
MartijnVdSmungbean: the audio will probably be mpeg1-layer2 or ac313:57
MartijnVdSthat should work13:57
mungbeanright now to test on the dvd player...13:58
MartijnVdS(and they call me a perpetual source of *useless* knowledge!)13:59
MartijnVdSHaswell reviews online!14:01
mungbeanall is well, many thanks again14:04
mungbeani figure cropping and sorting out all these videos will be a days work at least :(14:04
mh0Oh, I was here after all? :P14:06
mh0I never knew that :314:06
penguin42MartijnVdS: Are they adding a digit for each gen?!15:56
penguin42MartijnVdS: Hmph - still 4 cores :-(16:00
penguin42and it looks like you have to be careful if you want the transactional stuff to pick the right model16:23
MartijnVdSpenguin42: nah they're just increasing the first digit by 1 :)16:26
daftykinsafternoon all16:26
penguin42MartijnVdS: Looking at ark.intel.com it's quite tricky to figure out the different sub models etc - but I want more cores! There were some 6 core sandy bridge ones, it looks like if you want the fastest desktop processor you can still get one of those16:27
penguin42daftykins: and a sunny afternoon it is16:27
MartijnVdSpenguin42: wikipedia has a nice table with the models + capabilities16:28
penguin42MartijnVdS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitecture%29   doesn't seem to show the details16:29
MartijnVdSpenguin42: what more do you need? (scroll down to "Desktop processors")16:29
penguin42MartijnVdS: It doesn't show whether the processor has TSX-NI on16:29
daftykinspenguin42: indeed! i strolled out and got an ice cream beside the castle16:29
penguin42daftykins: Same here; (although not by a castle...)16:30
daftykinspenguin42: :D i got a large strawberry mister softee with a flake \o/16:30
penguin42daftykins: Got 3 scoops; one chocolate, one strawberry one banana - nice combo :-)16:31
MartijnVdSpenguin42: transactional memory? is that useful?16:32
penguin42MartijnVdS: Potentially - it's supposed to be wonderful for multithreaded performance16:32
MartijnVdSpenguin42: they're on on 4770, but not on 4770k16:33
MartijnVdSpenguin42: same with vt-d16:33
penguin42MartijnVdS: Nod, finding exactly which set has it is odd16:33
MartijnVdSI wonder why they turn it off on the unlocked models16:33
penguin42it'll be interesting to see if Ars redo the tests with a TSX code16:33
penguin42MartijnVdS: Yeh that's odd, I'd expect the unlocked to have all the goodies16:33
daftykinsare we talking Haswell?16:34
MartijnVdSdaftykins: yeah, NDAs ended ~15:00 your time16:34
daftykinsah yes just seen a news story on anandtech16:34
daftykinser, review even16:34
MartijnVdSpenguin42: the unlocked one is 100MHz faster, the graphics bit is 1.25GHz vs 1.2GHz on the locked CPU16:35
MartijnVdSand the unlocked CPU has fewer advanced features.. hmm16:35
MartijnVdSsame on i5 (4670)16:36
penguin42MartijnVdS: But if you are a virt head then the VT-d on the locked one may well be faster, similarly if you manage to do something interesting with TSX16:37
MartijnVdSsure but why disable it?16:38
MartijnVdSat least they all have the new vector bits16:38
penguin42beats me16:38
penguin42MartijnVdS: Only sane explanation I can see is that the logic is the slowest path and it's on the edge for the faster clocks, but it seems a bit odd - unless it's trying to push you to Xeons16:39
MartijnVdSpenguin42: they'll release "Extreme edition" chips later this year, those might have it enabled16:40
MartijnVdSpenguin42: or maybe Broadwell (the next generation)16:40
penguin42isn't that what the 'extreme edition' is?16:40
MartijnVdSno they also have xeons16:40
MartijnVdSextreme edition = 6 cores, more PCIe lanes16:40
penguin42can't justify updating this PC for another 4 core'r16:42
MartijnVdSMy current machine is 3.5 years old (i3-530)16:42
MartijnVdSand it's SLOW16:42
daftykinssurely not16:43
penguin42MartijnVdS: Mine is 3.5 years old (i7-860) - and it's not bad16:43
MartijnVdSdaftykins: also, the integrated graphics are bad (rendering problems in all Source games :)16:44
daftykinsoh you actually use that?16:44
penguin42they really need to get people to work on that - there's no reason they should be flaky like that16:44
MartijnVdSdaftykins: as long as nvidia has a binary-only driver that breaks every other week, and AMD/ATi drivers are similar (but the other weeks, and they drop support after a very short time).. yes16:45
daftykinstough way to upgrade though :)16:45
MartijnVdSdaftykins: I can save up a few euros once every 3 years ;)16:46
penguin42MartijnVdS: For this one I think the Radeon+i7 worked out a better buy16:50
penguin42MartijnVdS: Bottom end Radeon (fanless)16:50
MartijnVdSpenguin42: I have an old radeon, not supported by fglrx (how's 3d support on the free drivers these days?)16:52
MartijnVdSI don't like fglrx.. too much hassle on (kernel/X) upgrade16:52
penguin42MartijnVdS: I'm not a gamer, GL works fine for me on KDE with the open Radeon stuff16:54
penguin42MartijnVdS: Mine is the HD435016:54
daftykinslegacy PCI got murdered yay :D16:56
daftykinsin the new 8 series chipset16:56
penguin42ah, nothing that can't be sorted with a bridge anyway16:57
daftykinsi bought my first PCI-E card the other day16:57
daftykins+ 1x i mean16:57
daftykinsjust a standard intel gigabit NIC16:57
MartijnVdSdaftykins: yeah, so I need to buy a new sat card :(16:58
daftykinsTV strikes again16:58
penguin42for some reason multiway PCI-e ether cards are really expensive compared to PCI cards16:59
MartijnVdSpenguin42: Mine's the.. 557017:10
penguin42ah you're newer than mine :-)17:10
* penguin42 must learn some OpenCL one of these days I suppose I could upgrade to a cheap 6xxx17:10
MartijnVdSpenguin42: the new Intel CPUs do OpenCL, and Intel has an SDK afaik17:13
daftykinsi've a Q6600 and an nvidia GTX 560 Ti17:13
penguin42MartijnVdS: Hmm is that actually running on the GPU - that looks like it's for Phi17:15
MartijnVdSpenguin42: xeon, yes17:17
MartijnVdSpenguin42: but H-Online claims it's for GPU as well: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Intel-releases-OpenCL-SDK-for-Linux-1860556.html17:17
penguin42MartijnVdS: Doesn't look like http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute/  is there yet on the Radeons yet17:23
penguin42oh I didn't know of minuteearth, I'm subscribed to minutephysics17:31
MartijnVdSoh xkcd: https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874807480573952 + https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/34087484192419020817:33
MartijnVdShttps://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874782075650048  + https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/34087474057303654417:33
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Azelphurcan you run proper desktop apps (eg pidgin) on ubuntu phone?18:01
bigcalmGood evening peeps :)18:05
daftykinsheya \o18:08
MartijnVdSAzelphur: if you can make them talk to Mir instead of X, probably18:15
SuperEngineerwow! just seen the time.... who nicked the day!!!?18:24
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: someone must have seized it18:24
SuperEngineerwanted: freedom fighters to regain today's lost time!18:25
daftykinsmy two wee ones last week18:25
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: you should probably call Einstein about that18:25
daftykinsget Marty McFly on the case18:26
MartijnVdSor call the Doctor18:26
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: daftykins:   definite :)18:26
SuperEngineerespecially The Doctor - got 1 epsisode on disk still to watch ;)18:27
daftykinsi've not tried any18:27
daftykinsnot really fond of modern British series18:27
MartijnVdSdaftykins: treason!18:29
SuperEngineerdaftykins: [I think you'll find that read  modern *Welsh* series!  lol18:29
MartijnVdSisn't Wales part of Britain?18:29
daftykinsvery well18:29
daftykinsMartijnVdS: they wish they weren't18:29
MartijnVdSdaftykins: tough :P18:29
SuperEngineerpart of UK actually18:29
MartijnVdSwell, the island England, Scotland and Wales are on is called "Great Britain"18:30
SuperEngineer*agreed even18:31
daftykinsi be a British Island18:32
daftykinsalas not part of the UK however18:32
penguin42daftykins: You're not saying we should eject you from this room are you?18:40
shaunofor not being -uk?  or for not watching dr who :p18:41
* penguin42 admits to not watching dr who18:41
SuperEngineerhmmm - couldn't resist - just bought a humble bundle weekly sale... there are windows or mac only... time to play with Wine!18:56
SuperEngineer[would be nice if they included "& if you have Wine on Linux, here's what to do" bit]18:57
SuperEngineer...apart from pray!18:58
daftykinspenguin42: hehe nah19:09
daftykinsargh man the French tourists seriously get on my nerves in town here19:09
popeyAzelphur: qt apps can, if ported to qt519:09
daftykinsjust had a little joke with the supermarket checkout dude that had no idea what they were saying19:09
Azelphurpopey: TIL there's a qt5 xD19:09
Azelphurbut yea, cool19:09
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popeyyeah, we did a lot of work to package up qt519:11
popeyand of course the good citizens we are, upstreamed what we did19:11
popey(not that anyone noticed, and people still say we don't do anything at all for upstreams)19:12
daftykinsdirecthex might say cheers if you poke him19:12
aDaM^lo all :)19:22
daftykinso hi19:22
daftykinsi have an oven to tend to and a latte to make, having just acquired lovely Guernsey milk19:23
daftykinswhat does milk cost up on the mainland? about 1.09 a litre here19:23
DJonesdaftykins: 2l for £1 in supermarkets19:24
* popey has paella, meatballs and potatoes here19:24
daftykinsmmmm paella19:24
daftykinsthat is an excellent idea19:25
popeyeek. no alioli19:25
* popey quickly knocks some up19:26
* penguin42 thought it was about 50p/pint here19:27
* StevenR paid £1.29 for 4 pints of milk last week19:28
christeli am so picky, i only like cravendale (it is the only one without an aftertaste in my opinion and it tastes similar to norwegian milk) which costs like 1.98 for 4 pints!19:29
christel(so i make gareth and david drink "normal" milk!) :S19:29
MartijnVdSuht vs pasteurized?19:30
MartijnVdSchristel: ^19:30
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MartijnVdSUHT has a weird sweet aftertaste to me19:30
christeli've never tried uht, the prospect terrifies me19:32
christelcravendale is basically milk that has been pasteurised six hundred times19:32
christel(probably not six hundred)19:32
christeloh i lie, it has been filtered pre-pasturisation19:32
christelas opposed to heat-treated in the way uht milk has19:34
MartijnVdSchristel: Dutch milk tastes different to most other countries' milk too, maybe similar?19:35
MartijnVdS(UHT is only for "long term storage" )19:35
christelpossibly! if i am not mistaken cravendale is an Arla product19:36
daftykinsall mainlander stuff tastes weird, it's not even for sale here typically as we have our very own from the very famous Guernsey cows :D19:36
christelarla is a dano-swedish company19:36
christelso i guess this may explain why it tastes more "like home" if they use similar processes as back home :)19:36
* MartijnVdS has been thinking of driving(!) up to Denmark, Sweden and Norway next year19:38
MartijnVdSas that seems to be possible now19:38
MartijnVdSwithout going through russia19:38
MartijnVdSdaftykins: there's a bridge from Denmark to Sweden19:38
daftykinsthink looks like there are 219:39
christeldo it!19:40
daftykinschristel: i thought you were a US'ian19:40
MartijnVdSdaftykins: Malmo - Copenhagen and..?19:40
MartijnVdSchristel: but the language barrier!19:40
christeldaftykins: nah, norwegian! i've been in the uk for a while mind (and in the states before that)19:40
MartijnVdSchristel: (OK it's just a dialect of Frisian but still!)19:40
daftykinsMartijnVdS: ah my bad - it just looked like it up at Helsingborg because the label was overlapping the land19:41
christelMartijnVdS: sweden has better (and faster) roads than norway and you can cross over at numerous points -- so if you're driving up you may want to consider doing any longer stretches on the swedish side of the border!19:41
daftykinsand big roads lead to the ferry19:41
christel(i always drive across the border and head down on the swedish roads to head back across elsewhere when i need to drive any distances!) :s19:41
christel(though you'd miss out on the pretty norwegian nature that way!19:42
daftykinsi don't drive my place is so small ;x19:42
MartijnVdSchristel: I wasn't planning on driving all the way up north or anything19:42
MartijnVdSchristel: I drove to cornwall a few weeks ago, I'm still not used to driving 3 hours/day :)19:47
daftykinsmy mates were pretty wimpish during the roadtrip we did in the US19:49
MartijnVdSdaftykins: The US is different. Everything is made for those distances.19:50
MartijnVdSdaftykins: Cornwall/Land's end really feels like the end of the world ;)19:50
daftykinsyeah, a flawed design imo :D19:50
MartijnVdSCornwall or the US? :)19:50
daftykinsbut that's because i'm quite negative toward the 'you must drive to live' approach to life19:51
daftykinsi used to go to Fowey, Cornwall on family holidays19:51
MartijnVdSI loved Sennen Cove19:51
mungbeanmisread that19:56
mungbeanstupid kerning19:56
mungbeanwhen i was young we visited lizard point. don't do that with a competitive family who all want to have stood more southerly than the next19:58
mungbeanu will never get home19:58
mungbeani won though19:58
shaunoremember going to the satellite place at lizard point when we were kids19:59
daftykinsmungbean: XD20:05
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penguin42http://www.asus.com/News/L9xTPmmMwTlPMq5l  would be nice20:45
daftykinsindeed! i left that up on my wealthy client's desktop so he'd be tempted20:48
daftykinshe loves his photography so currently has a 2560x1440 30" Dell20:49
mungbeanif you were buying a laptop for parents, would you go for the one with better processor or 6gb vs 4gb ram version20:49
mungbeani mean, one version has better cpu with 4gb ram20:50
MartijnVdSmore ram20:50
MartijnVdSages better20:50
daftykinsRAM is cheap to upgrade and easy to do though20:50
penguin42and 4gb is 'enough' depending what they're doing20:50
mungbeanits http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/laptops/toshiba-satellite-c870d-11x-17-3-laptop-white-20759702-pdt.html?gclid=CLab7v2MwbcCFYXMtAodmBAAAg&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~Home+%2f+Laptops+%26+Netbooks+%2f+Laptops+%2f+Laptops~20759702&istCompanyId=9a35962d-802d-4e67-9721-0a3328ca1f02&istItemId=xtliriqtp&istBid=t&ef_id=Uaj9FQAAAQJn1FHn:20130531194213:s20:51
mungbeanunsure how i will handle the win8 issue20:52
daftykinsif you get a windows 8 pro copy, you can enact downgrade rights and install 720:52
daftykinsnot sure if that's true at retail though20:52
MartijnVdSbuy a dell with ubuntu ;)20:52
penguin42mungbean: Now, which one do you think has the better CPU?20:52
daftykinsi'd prefer intel in mobile personally20:53
mungbeanthe i320:53
daftykinsbut i've no idea how those two compare :D20:53
mungbeanis much better than the amd20:53
daftykinsmungbean: if you're lucky the Tosh might have 4GB RAM in one DIMM, then you can add a second for cheap20:53
daftykinsi did that in my Asus for £17!20:53
mungbeani might just get her to choose based on colour20:55
popeyi wouldn't buy Toshiba for anyone20:55
penguin42odd that the C870 doesn't seem to spec the display except in inches20:55
penguin42this <--- machine is a Tosh - had it about 6 years now - although used it static20:55
mungbeanpopey: they liked their last one so want another20:56
daftykinsbrand bias tends to be born out of isolated incidents imo20:57
mungbeanat that price i'd probably do dell outlet or samsung personally20:57
mungbeanin this age ofprice comparison, no two shops sell the same version20:59
mungbeani think the more RAM version is prob best bet20:59
mungbeansince it has to last 3+ years20:59
mungbeanwithout interference from me21:00
penguin42dunno, I'd take the i3 I think21:00
daftykinsgo i3 and slap some more in21:01
daftykinsdo eeet21:01
mungbeanbut is win8 a hog?21:02
mungbeanon ram21:02
daftykinsbut like i said, consider ditching it for 721:02
mungbeanthats more pain for me21:02
mungbeandriver support etc21:02
daftykinscheck the manufacturer site now21:03
mungbeani hate being the go-to guy forthis21:03
daftykinsi got asked to go over to plug my mums new keyboard in today ¬_¬21:03
daftykinsi said no chance21:03
mungbeani might leave the choice to them21:03
mungbeanjust tell them there's not much in it , etc , tell them the issues21:03
daftykinsthing is, at least if you pick it and sort it at the start, you know what state it's in21:03
daftykinsi could never leave anyone running a factory install - too painful :(21:03
daftykinsyou just don't get the hardware you bought! :D21:04
mungbeani want zero input on this21:04
mungbeanthey lve far waway21:04
daftykinson an unrelated note, here's the win7 boot speed of that new build PC i did :D21:04
popeymy father in law asked for help printing today21:05
popeyhe has had the same printer as me for ~3 years21:05
popeyyet feels compelled to reinstall windows drivers all the damn time21:05
popeyi just went to control panel, removed and re-added the printer, it worked first time21:06
popey"there, leave it alone!"21:06
mungbeanpopey: have you tried catbearding?21:06
popeyits hard21:06
popeyi put marmite on the back of the card21:07
mungbeanprobably needs cheese21:07
daftykinscat what O_O21:07
daftykinshey guys does line 803 onward suggest that disk needs an fsck, or it already ran enough to fix something?21:09
daftykins'recovery complete'21:09
popeydoes it do that every boot?21:09
daftykinsguys complaining about major slow booting21:09
popeylooks like unclean shutdown21:09
daftykinsyeah apparently it's hanging on shutdown21:10
daftykinsso probably causing that part as a result21:10
popeyso they flip the switch to power off and it fscks on restart21:10
popeysounds plausible21:10
daftykinsmmm, i suggested checking SMART status21:10
daftykinsi've no idea if there's any way to see shutdown logs?21:11
popeydunno if such logs exist21:12
* bigcalm waddles into the hotel room21:12
popeypip pip21:12
popeygood evening?21:12
bigcalmHip hop21:12
daftykinspopey: thanks, will see how the SMART info finding approach goes21:12
bigcalmFeeling bloated by the good meal and fine ale :)21:12
bigcalmI see Sky is looking as dashing as ever21:13
popeyyeah, opportunistic photo21:13
popeywas quite chuffed with that21:14
bigcalmI know the cat that lives with us is not our cat, but I'm already missing not having a cat to fuss21:16
bigcalmGuess I don't do holidays21:16
daftykinsbigcalm: what was your chosen ale?21:16
bigcalmdaftykins: This evening it was Snarck Lifter (I think)21:17
daftykinsah Sneck Lifter21:17
daftykinslove that stuff :D21:17
daftykinspretty high % too, 5.x i think21:18
bigcalmHeh, Sneck :D21:18
daftykinsmy fave pub here on Guernsey rotates guest ales21:18
daftykinsso i go in and read the lables and sometimes get to let out a little celebratory noise ;D21:18
bigcalmI like certain Belgian beers of 8 or 9%21:20
daftykinsooh exciting new game...21:20
bigcalmThat's a little taxing on my phone's 3g21:27
* bigcalm refuses to pay for PremierInn wifi21:27
mungbeanmatt smith leaving dr who :(21:27
daftykinsbigcalm: find someone that's on it and change your MAC to theirs21:27
bigcalm3g is good enough for minecraft21:28
* bigcalm goes to break a few blocks21:28
* bigcalm also leaves IRC so that mungbean doesn't spoil any more dr who21:28
daftykinsis that the big forehead dude?21:29
daftykinsthat kinda looks like Frankenstein's monster21:29
mungbeanbigcalm: its gonna be in all the papers tomorrow21:30
mungbeanits not story spoilers21:30
mungbeanjust facts21:30
mungbeansad ones21:30
popeyhaha, the big forehead dude ☻21:30
* popey notes its on news at 1021:31
* mungbean leaves irc for a power nap21:31
mungbeannext feed at 11.2021:31
daftykinspopey: my skills of description have always taken me far21:31
daftykinsmostly from running away from the person i was asked to describe21:31
daftykinsmy mate's mate does snow machine stuff for film + TV21:43
daftykinssays that Doctor Who bloke is pleasant + played football with the crew21:43
shaunofootball's pleasant?21:45
daftykinsnot to my mind21:46
daftykinsbut i'm hoping you're teasing :P21:46
popey\o/ hate football21:46
popeyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU etc21:46
daftykinsi swear you need something removed from your brain to enjoy football21:48
daftykinstotally not bias, honest21:49
daftykinsjust going for a roll around the neighbourhood lads22:09
daftykinsand ladettes22:09
penguin42hmm, google maps got me to do an invite for the new maps a few weeks ago, and it's been showing me 'your invite is on the way' for about 2 weeks, and I got a mail sometime during the week to say I've got it, but maps still shows it as 'on the way'22:23
daftykinsis that when logged into your account on the site?22:29
daftykinsmaybe a cache clear to let some new cookies in might help?22:29
penguin42well I tried logging out and in, and from a different browser22:29
shaunofor me, maps kept saying that until I followed the link in the invite to activate it22:52
penguin42which activation link?22:54
penguin42The 'start exploring' on the thing that looks like it's going to be an explanational video22:54
penguin42ok, so it's not rendering at all in Firefox22:57
penguin42working in chromium22:58
daftykinscoincidence? i think not23:00
penguin42it's suggestions for exploting the area seem primarily be related to takeaways and indian restaurants23:02
daftykinspenguin42: can't argue with that23:07
penguin42it's not something I'm really interested in23:09
daftykinsreally :o23:09
daftykinsnot a fan of a good spicy curry?23:09
penguin42indeed, my limit of spice is gently a pinch of cinnamon with my apple crumble23:10
penguin42daftykins: I'd have thought by now Google would have figured out that it wants to tell me where the nearest chocolate supply is23:20
daftykinsare they chocolate purveyors in your mind? :)23:20
penguin42well, it's the important thing to show on a map isn't it....23:21
daftykinsvery true23:22
daftykinsfollowed swiftly by local Gyms perhaps23:23
penguin42Xeon Phi seems to about £170023:59
penguin42little beyond my normal price range23:59
daftykinsi was looking at an £800 xeon on overclockers.co.uk earlier23:59
daftykinscrazy money23:59

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