[00:16] I recall something been done by a lot of providers [00:16] didn't really read what it was [00:16] ;) [00:16] lol [00:17] it was one of them cool news articles I opened, and didn't bother reading [00:17] I've got approximately 300 spams in my spambox over the last month at my main account, but my old account which forwards to it and used to clock over 3000 per month still only has ~500 for the month === duncan is now known as Guest32296 [09:03] good morning everyone, [09:26] \o [09:27] morning MartijnVdS [09:31] morning [09:31] morning KrimZon [09:41] hi folks [09:41] Wow, hardware.info did an endurance test with a Samsung SSD [09:42] result ? [09:42] they got to >100 years of "normal" use (up to 10GB writes/day) -- by writing to it constantly for 5 weeks [09:42] >700TB of writes [09:42] wow. [09:42] Samsung guarantees the cells in the SSD for 1000 write cycles, and they got to 3200ish [09:43] before they got the first unrecoverable read error [09:43] impressive. [09:45] (I've been monitoring the hardware sites: the Haswell NDA is supposed to end on June 2nd, and it's already tomorrow in parts of the world already ;) [09:45] i was impressed last night, my nexus7, wifi turned on, light use, on battery for just over 10 hours, and lost 2% battery. [09:46] that's quite good [09:47] yes, thats what i thought. [09:47] you're sure it wasn't lying on one of those wireless charging devices? :P [09:47] the nexus7 isnt capable os such a thing. [09:48] of* [09:57] oh wait [09:57] the 7, not the 4\ [09:58] so it doesn't have a 2g/3g radio to suck power :) [09:58] i quote "my nexus7" :) [09:58] quite. [09:58] brobostigon: I fail at reading ;) [09:59] MartijnVdS: :( oh dear. [10:00] mind you, i wouldnt mind a nexus4, if someone wants to donate one, :) === GentileBen is now known as CrispinOnTheCan === CrispinOnTheCan is now known as GentileBen [12:23] Hi, I am downloading ubuntu mini.iso but for some reason it has been stuck on 6 minuites of download left for ages. Does anyone know what the problem is? [12:32] your network plug got disconnected [13:05] Useless fact of the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Banana [13:06] .TS files [13:06] mungbean: MPEG transport streams [13:06] what are they and how would i convert to divx? [13:06] would the usual mencoder work? [13:06] mungbean: you get them off DVB cards, usually [13:06] mungbean: I chop them using avconv, then hit the result with ghb (gui-handbrake) [13:07] That generates mpeg4 files [13:07] avconv is CLI or GUI? [13:07] mungbean: it's the new name of ffmpeg(-cli) [13:07] oh yeah [13:07] avconv -i your_file.ts -c copy -ss start_second.frame -t duration.frame "Output.mkv" [13:08] maybe .frame = .fractional seconds, but I never checked [13:08] ah, having problems producing my .TS file anyway [13:08] mungbean: from a DVB source? [13:08] i have a .rec file but my php script to convert to .TS [13:08] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE [13:08] I don't know .rec files [13:08] its from my topfield pvr [13:09] allegedly they are v simlar to .TS [13:09] mungbean: Maybe ProjectX can help there [13:09] mungbean: maybe ffmpeg/avconv can read it natively [13:10] oh pastebinit is broken :( [13:10] so is paste.ubuntu.com [13:11] mungbean: http://www.toppy.org.uk/~offdigital/rec2ts_v0.02.zip [13:11] thats windows AFAIK [13:11] it's very plain C [13:11] i was using http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7338&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 [13:11] all you have to do is convert the ULONG/USHORT stuff to uint32 etc. [13:12] ah php! [13:12] mungbean: does PHP give you a line number with the error? [13:12] line 8 [13:13] you might be missing a semicolon [13:13] according to stackexchange [13:14] i saw that [13:14] but no :( [13:14] mungbean: I'm fixing the C file [13:15] oh you lovely man :D [13:19] ah MartijnVdS , i downloaded the raw file for php and it works [13:19] so must have been a bad character [13:21] so will avconv do my cropping? [13:21] i have a .ts file now [13:21] i need divx for the dvd player [13:21] mungbean: avconv does the time cropping, handbrake does the black bar cropping [13:21] ah.. old divx :( [13:22] yeah :( [13:22] i have a dvd player that has usb slot [13:22] so backups are going on a drive [13:22] in divx for the dvd player to understand [13:22] mungbean: wget http://martijn.vandestreek.net/~martijn/rec2ts.c [13:22] i'm not very HDef [13:22] mungbean: gcc -o rec2ts rec2ts.c [13:22] many thanks [13:23] mungbean: I don't know how to encode to divx, but there must be tons of tutorials [13:23] mencoder Shaun_the_Sheep_Series_3_-_8._Hard_to_Swallow_b01r70vr_default.mp4 -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=800 -o shaun_3-8-copy2.avi [13:23] thats what i use for iplayer [13:24] \o/ [13:24] will try with the .TS file [13:24] lol, highlight? [13:24] yeah [13:24] on "shaun" or on "sheep"? :P [13:24] "yes" [13:25] oh wait you're not Welsh or Kiwi [13:27] MartijnVdS: thanks for your help [13:27] by the way, how do i time crop with avconv> [13:28] mungbean: avconv -i inputfile.ts -c copy -ss start_time -t duration output_file.mkv [13:28] output file can be .ts too if you want [13:28] then it doesn't re-ecode? [13:28] shoudl be quick.. [13:28] start_time and duration are either in the format: seconds.(either milliseconds or frames, don't know) or hh:mm:ss.frames [13:29] it only copies, no re-encoding [13:29] but it's ffmpeg [13:29] you can probably tell it to do xvid encoding at the same time :) [13:29] i found mencoder to be better for that [13:29] http://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/How%20to%20encode%20Xvid%20/%20DivX%20video%20with%20ffmpeg [13:30] http://libav.org/faq.html#How-do-I-encode-Xvid-or-DivX-video-with-avconv_003f [13:31] can't remember why [13:32] maybe a quality thing :S [13:32] or an ubuntu avconv crippled issue [13:32] ubuntu avconf isnt crippled [13:32] anymore. [13:32] on 12.04? [13:32] there's only one or two codecs that we have issues with [13:32] popey: do you know who runs paste.ubuntu.com ? [13:33] yes, canonical IS [13:33] why? [13:33] try running pastebinit or pasting sometihng via the website [13:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5722881/ [13:33] wfm [13:33] ah, try the php code [13:34] some stuff is blocked [13:34] "PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed [13:34] " [13:34] aha [13:34] didn't notice that [13:34] but deffo, eyah [13:35] ooh vlc not showing the time in the .ts file, how annoying [13:35] mungbean: avidemux will [13:35] mungbean: if it's SD.. otherwise i use mplayer [13:36] * MartijnVdS needs better automatic PVR software [13:36] mplayer doesn't show anything? [13:36] mungbean: press "o" several times [13:36] mungbean: and/or look on the command line you started it from [13:37] ooh tnhkas [13:37] thanks [13:37] didn't know that [13:37] It's how I've been recording satellite tv [13:39] too bad avidemux can't handle H.264 properly, and I have to guess frame numbers :( [13:39] mungbean: does the C thingy work? [13:40] avconv -i test.ts -c copy -ss 05:36:09 -t 300 test-cropped.ts [13:40] created a 0 file [13:40] 5 hours, 36 minutes? [13:40] ah you always start from 0 [13:41] hmm [13:41] even if the TS timestamps don't [13:41] so it's probably better to get the timing off the command line [13:41] should be 5 mins [13:41] mungbean: 00:05:36.9 ? [13:41] 9th frame of th 36th second of the 5th minute? [13:41] mungbean: A: 129.4 V: 129.4 A-V: 0.013 ct: 0.024 0/ 0 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 [13:42] seems to have spoiled audio sync [13:42] ^ I'd pass "129.4" in that case [13:42] let's check again [13:42] mungbean: output to mkv, that keeps better audio sync [13:42] i was doing "copy" [13:44] how wold u pass the 129.4? [13:44] i have avconv -i test.ts -c copy -ss 20169.5 -t 300 test-cropped.ts [13:45] but fail [13:45] position may be either in seconds or in "hh:mm:ss[.xxx]" form. [13:46] mungbean: hmm [13:46] your TS timings are wrong then [13:47] mungbean: I have an intermediate .ts to cope with that: [13:47] avconv -i test.ts -c copy test-out.ts [13:47] then work on test-out.ts [13:47] avconv -i test-out.ts -c copy -ss blah [13:47] (check timings using test-out.ts as well) [13:49] ah, fantastic , cheers [13:50] timing fixed now [13:50] *\o/* [13:50] so u reckon ffmpeg better for producing divx from the newly cropped ts? [13:51] you can crop & encode in one go once you've figured out the crop timings [13:51] mungbean: you can use "avidemux" to get hh:mm:ss.xxx-format times, and it uses its own indexes, so timings should be OK even on the original ts [13:55] hmm quality seems horrible in the resulting avi [13:55] mungbean: how are you running the command(s) [13:55] avconv -i test-cropped.ts -c:v mpeg4 -c:a copy -vtag xvid test-cropped.avi [13:56] mungbean: you want a -b:v 800k in there [13:56] or higher [13:56] maybe even 1000-1200ish [13:56] (video bitrate) [13:57] 800k looking good ta [13:57] will c:a copy work as a valid divx format? [13:57] mungbean: the audio will probably be mpeg1-layer2 or ac3 [13:57] that should work [13:58] right now to test on the dvd player... [13:59] (and they call me a perpetual source of *useless* knowledge!) [14:00] BOOM [14:01] Haswell reviews online! [14:01] http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested [14:04] all is well, many thanks again [14:04] i figure cropping and sorting out all these videos will be a days work at least :( [14:06] Oh, I was here after all? :P [14:06] I never knew that :3 [14:07] welcome [15:56] MartijnVdS: Are they adding a digit for each gen?! [16:00] MartijnVdS: Hmph - still 4 cores :-( [16:23] and it looks like you have to be careful if you want the transactional stuff to pick the right model [16:26] penguin42: nah they're just increasing the first digit by 1 :) [16:26] afternoon all [16:27] nod [16:27] MartijnVdS: Looking at ark.intel.com it's quite tricky to figure out the different sub models etc - but I want more cores! There were some 6 core sandy bridge ones, it looks like if you want the fastest desktop processor you can still get one of those [16:27] daftykins: and a sunny afternoon it is [16:28] penguin42: wikipedia has a nice table with the models + capabilities [16:29] MartijnVdS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitecture%29 doesn't seem to show the details [16:29] penguin42: what more do you need? (scroll down to "Desktop processors") [16:29] MartijnVdS: It doesn't show whether the processor has TSX-NI on [16:29] penguin42: indeed! i strolled out and got an ice cream beside the castle [16:30] daftykins: Same here; (although not by a castle...) [16:30] penguin42: :D i got a large strawberry mister softee with a flake \o/ [16:31] daftykins: Got 3 scoops; one chocolate, one strawberry one banana - nice combo :-) [16:31] ooh [16:32] penguin42: transactional memory? is that useful? [16:32] MartijnVdS: Potentially - it's supposed to be wonderful for multithreaded performance [16:33] penguin42: they're on on 4770, but not on 4770k [16:33] penguin42: same with vt-d [16:33] MartijnVdS: Nod, finding exactly which set has it is odd [16:33] I wonder why they turn it off on the unlocked models [16:33] it'll be interesting to see if Ars redo the tests with a TSX code [16:33] MartijnVdS: Yeh that's odd, I'd expect the unlocked to have all the goodies [16:34] are we talking Haswell? [16:34] daftykins: yeah, NDAs ended ~15:00 your time [16:34] ah yes just seen a news story on anandtech [16:34] er, review even [16:34] \o/ [16:35] penguin42: the unlocked one is 100MHz faster, the graphics bit is 1.25GHz vs 1.2GHz on the locked CPU [16:35] and the unlocked CPU has fewer advanced features.. hmm [16:36] same on i5 (4670) [16:37] MartijnVdS: But if you are a virt head then the VT-d on the locked one may well be faster, similarly if you manage to do something interesting with TSX [16:38] sure but why disable it? [16:38] at least they all have the new vector bits [16:38] beats me [16:39] MartijnVdS: Only sane explanation I can see is that the logic is the slowest path and it's on the edge for the faster clocks, but it seems a bit odd - unless it's trying to push you to Xeons [16:40] penguin42: they'll release "Extreme edition" chips later this year, those might have it enabled [16:40] penguin42: or maybe Broadwell (the next generation) [16:40] isn't that what the 'extreme edition' is? [16:40] no they also have xeons [16:40] extreme edition = 6 cores, more PCIe lanes [16:42] can't justify updating this PC for another 4 core'r [16:42] My current machine is 3.5 years old (i3-530) [16:42] and it's SLOW [16:43] http://ark.intel.com/compare/75123,46472 [16:43] aww [16:43] surely not [16:43] MartijnVdS: Mine is 3.5 years old (i7-860) - and it's not bad [16:44] daftykins: also, the integrated graphics are bad (rendering problems in all Source games :) [16:44] oh you actually use that? [16:44] they really need to get people to work on that - there's no reason they should be flaky like that [16:45] daftykins: as long as nvidia has a binary-only driver that breaks every other week, and AMD/ATi drivers are similar (but the other weeks, and they drop support after a very short time).. yes [16:45] tough way to upgrade though :) [16:46] daftykins: I can save up a few euros once every 3 years ;) [16:47] :) [16:50] MartijnVdS: For this one I think the Radeon+i7 worked out a better buy [16:50] MartijnVdS: Bottom end Radeon (fanless) [16:52] penguin42: I have an old radeon, not supported by fglrx (how's 3d support on the free drivers these days?) [16:52] I don't like fglrx.. too much hassle on (kernel/X) upgrade [16:54] MartijnVdS: I'm not a gamer, GL works fine for me on KDE with the open Radeon stuff [16:54] MartijnVdS: Mine is the HD4350 [16:56] legacy PCI got murdered yay :D [16:56] ? [16:56] in the new 8 series chipset [16:57] ah, nothing that can't be sorted with a bridge anyway [16:57] i bought my first PCI-E card the other day [16:57] + 1x i mean [16:57] just a standard intel gigabit NIC [16:57] nod [16:58] daftykins: yeah, so I need to buy a new sat card :( [16:58] aww [16:58] TV strikes again [16:58] ;) [16:59] for some reason multiway PCI-e ether cards are really expensive compared to PCI cards [17:02] hmm [17:10] penguin42: Mine's the.. 5570 [17:10] ah you're newer than mine :-) [17:10] * penguin42 must learn some OpenCL one of these days I suppose I could upgrade to a cheap 6xxx [17:13] penguin42: the new Intel CPUs do OpenCL, and Intel has an SDK afaik [17:13] i've a Q6600 and an nvidia GTX 560 Ti [17:13] http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-sdk-for-opencl-applications-xe-2013-release-notes [17:15] MartijnVdS: Hmm is that actually running on the GPU - that looks like it's for Phi [17:17] penguin42: xeon, yes [17:17] penguin42: but H-Online claims it's for GPU as well: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Intel-releases-OpenCL-SDK-for-Linux-1860556.html [17:23] MartijnVdS: Doesn't look like http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute/ is there yet on the Radeons yet [17:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSzln0T9ZI [17:31] oh I didn't know of minuteearth, I'm subscribed to minutephysics [17:33] oh xkcd: https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874807480573952 + https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874841924190208 [17:33] https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874782075650048 + https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874740573036544 === jan is now known as darkthing [18:01] can you run proper desktop apps (eg pidgin) on ubuntu phone? [18:05] Good evening peeps :) [18:08] heya \o [18:15] Azelphur: if you can make them talk to Mir instead of X, probably [18:15] ah [18:24] wow! just seen the time.... who nicked the day!!!? [18:24] SuperEngineer: someone must have seized it [18:25] wanted: freedom fighters to regain today's lost time! [18:25] http://i.imgur.com/Komqynr.jpg [18:25] my two wee ones last week [18:25] SuperEngineer: you should probably call Einstein about that [18:26] get Marty McFly on the case [18:26] or call the Doctor [18:26] MartijnVdS: daftykins: definite :) [18:27] especially The Doctor - got 1 epsisode on disk still to watch ;) [18:27] i've not tried any [18:27] not really fond of modern British series [18:29] daftykins: treason! [18:29] daftykins: [I think you'll find that read modern *Welsh* series! lol [18:29] ^_^ [18:29] isn't Wales part of Britain? [18:29] very well [18:29] MartijnVdS: they wish they weren't [18:29] daftykins: tough :P [18:29] part of UK actually [18:30] well, the island England, Scotland and Wales are on is called "Great Britain" [18:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_the_British_Isles [18:31] agrred [18:31] *agreed even [18:32] i be a British Island [18:32] mm-hmm [18:32] alas not part of the UK however [18:40] daftykins: You're not saying we should eject you from this room are you? [18:41] for not being -uk? or for not watching dr who :p [18:41] * penguin42 admits to not watching dr who [18:56] hmmm - couldn't resist - just bought a humble bundle weekly sale... there are windows or mac only... time to play with Wine! [18:57] [would be nice if they included "& if you have Wine on Linux, here's what to do" bit] [18:58] ...apart from pray! [19:09] penguin42: hehe nah [19:09] argh man the French tourists seriously get on my nerves in town here [19:09] Azelphur: qt apps can, if ported to qt5 [19:09] just had a little joke with the supermarket checkout dude that had no idea what they were saying [19:09] popey: TIL there's a qt5 xD [19:09] but yea, cool === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [19:11] yeah, we did a lot of work to package up qt5 [19:11] and of course the good citizens we are, upstreamed what we did [19:12] (not that anyone noticed, and people still say we don't do anything at all for upstreams) [19:12] directhex might say cheers if you poke him [19:12] :D [19:22] lo all :) [19:22] o hi [19:23] i have an oven to tend to and a latte to make, having just acquired lovely Guernsey milk [19:23] what does milk cost up on the mainland? about 1.09 a litre here [19:24] daftykins: 2l for £1 in supermarkets [19:24] day-um [19:24] * popey has paella, meatballs and potatoes here [19:24] mmmm paella [19:25] that is an excellent idea [19:25] eek. no alioli [19:26] * popey quickly knocks some up [19:27] * penguin42 thought it was about 50p/pint here [19:28] * StevenR paid £1.29 for 4 pints of milk last week [19:29] i am so picky, i only like cravendale (it is the only one without an aftertaste in my opinion and it tastes similar to norwegian milk) which costs like 1.98 for 4 pints! [19:29] (so i make gareth and david drink "normal" milk!) :S [19:30] uht vs pasteurized? [19:30] christel: ^ === GentileBen is now known as CrispinWithChild [19:30] UHT has a weird sweet aftertaste to me [19:32] i've never tried uht, the prospect terrifies me [19:32] cravendale is basically milk that has been pasteurised six hundred times [19:32] (probably not six hundred) [19:32] oh i lie, it has been filtered pre-pasturisation [19:34] as opposed to heat-treated in the way uht milk has [19:35] christel: Dutch milk tastes different to most other countries' milk too, maybe similar? [19:35] (UHT is only for "long term storage" ) [19:36] possibly! if i am not mistaken cravendale is an Arla product [19:36] all mainlander stuff tastes weird, it's not even for sale here typically as we have our very own from the very famous Guernsey cows :D [19:36] arla is a dano-swedish company [19:36] so i guess this may explain why it tastes more "like home" if they use similar processes as back home :) [19:37] :) [19:38] * MartijnVdS has been thinking of driving(!) up to Denmark, Sweden and Norway next year [19:38] as that seems to be possible now [19:38] without going through russia [19:38] :O [19:38] daftykins: there's a bridge from Denmark to Sweden [19:39] think looks like there are 2 [19:40] :D [19:40] do it! [19:40] christel: i thought you were a US'ian [19:40] daftykins: Malmo - Copenhagen and..? [19:40] christel: but the language barrier! [19:40] daftykins: nah, norwegian! i've been in the uk for a while mind (and in the states before that) [19:40] christel: (OK it's just a dialect of Frisian but still!) [19:41] MartijnVdS: ah my bad - it just looked like it up at Helsingborg because the label was overlapping the land [19:41] MartijnVdS: sweden has better (and faster) roads than norway and you can cross over at numerous points -- so if you're driving up you may want to consider doing any longer stretches on the swedish side of the border! [19:41] and big roads lead to the ferry [19:41] (i always drive across the border and head down on the swedish roads to head back across elsewhere when i need to drive any distances!) :s [19:42] hehe [19:42] (though you'd miss out on the pretty norwegian nature that way! [19:42] i don't drive my place is so small ;x [19:42] christel: I wasn't planning on driving all the way up north or anything [19:47] christel: I drove to cornwall a few weeks ago, I'm still not used to driving 3 hours/day :) [19:48] hehe [19:49] my mates were pretty wimpish during the roadtrip we did in the US [19:50] daftykins: The US is different. Everything is made for those distances. [19:50] daftykins: Cornwall/Land's end really feels like the end of the world ;) [19:50] yeah, a flawed design imo :D [19:50] Cornwall or the US? :) [19:51] but that's because i'm quite negative toward the 'you must drive to live' approach to life [19:51] US [19:51] i used to go to Fowey, Cornwall on family holidays [19:51] I loved Sennen Cove [19:56] misread that [19:56] stupid kerning [19:57] haha [19:58] when i was young we visited lizard point. don't do that with a competitive family who all want to have stood more southerly than the next [19:58] u will never get home [19:58] i won though [19:59]