[02:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: when you say "pre empt the desktop" I'm assuming that you're loading the full desktop behind the scenes, I don't think that's a good idea, because on low end systems there might be enough memory for just one of them
[02:28] <shadeslayer> ( I've seen this issue crop up in a derivative )
[02:29] <shadeslayer> so you can try out the live system and then reboot and just directly installed, everything will still work post install, but atleast you can install
[02:29] <shadeslayer> when you load the desktop *and* ubiquity, you might not have enough memory for ubiquity to complete
[02:29] <shadeslayer> *and just directly install
[02:38] <valorie> shadeslayer: have you seen the little vid in http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2013/05/quick-update-on-vivaldi-hardware.html ?
[02:40] <shadeslayer> yep
[02:42]  * shadeslayer is looking at the Canonical IP rights policy
[02:47] <shadeslayer> /o\
[02:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Matt-Smith-to-leave-Doctor-Who
[02:58] <valorie> wth!
[02:58] <valorie> although the final ep had me wondering about that
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[03:01] <shadeslayer> Doesn't the doctor die in S6
[03:01] <shadeslayer> when he's killed by that astronaut ...
[03:02] <shadeslayer> at the age of 1100 something
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[03:05] <valorie> sure, and I wonder how they are going to tie all that in, since.....
[03:06] <valorie> well, fiery funeral, lets just say that
[03:06] <shadeslayer> yeah
[03:07] <valorie> how did you do that spoiler?
[03:07] <valorie> shadeslayer is so leet
[03:07] <shadeslayer> you set the background and text to black in quassel
[03:08] <shadeslayer> with the arrow thingy near the text box
[03:08] <valorie> I guess that's possible in konvi as well
[03:08] <shadeslayer> probably
[03:09] <valorie> have you seen the end of this season yet?
[03:10] <shadeslayer> I've watched all of S7
[03:10] <shadeslayer> I'm watching it backwards
[03:10] <shadeslayer> S7, now S6
[03:10] <valorie> ok
[03:10] <shadeslayer> it's equally confusing at times :P
[03:10] <valorie> in true time traveler fashion
[03:10] <shadeslayer> yep
[03:10] <shadeslayer> ;)
[03:11] <valorie> I've watched all the eps since the reboot
[03:11] <valorie> now I've started with the first doctor back in the 60s
[03:11] <shadeslayer> S4 has matt smith as well right?
[03:11] <shadeslayer> hm, nope
[03:15] <valorie> ah, David Tennant
[03:15] <valorie> perhaps my favorite doctor
[03:15] <valorie> we'll see
[03:15] <shadeslayer> oh also, S6 now ties in nicely with S7
[03:15] <shadeslayer> the ending of S7
[03:16] <valorie> yes, they pay a lot of attention to the past
[03:16] <shadeslayer> yeah, just realized this
[03:16] <valorie> the more old stuff you see, the more interesting the new stuff is
[03:16] <shadeslayer> :D
[03:28] <ahoneybun> hello
[03:32] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[03:33] <valorie> pong
[03:35] <ahoneybun> cool
[03:35] <ahoneybun> I see jesse has joined us
[03:36] <valorie> yep, I think he's been doing the docs for the longest
[03:36] <valorie> having he and Darkwing work on the docbook part will be excellent
[03:38] <ahoneybun> for sure such experts
[03:41] <ahoneybun> did you see lordievader's work ?
[03:42] <valorie> ah, the include?
[03:42] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:42] <valorie> yes, I'm so happy that's possible
[03:42] <ahoneybun> is that better?
[03:42] <valorie> because truly, the less we copy, the better
[03:42] <valorie> best to have ONE place to update
[03:42] <valorie> I was thinking about images too
[03:43] <valorie> would be cool to get them organized, especially screenies, and be careful to use one shot over again rather than having two similar ones
[03:43] <ahoneybun> I'm just wondering how that is better then just another page, it still links to the other subpage
[03:43] <valorie> so when one is updated, it'll update everywhere
[03:44] <ahoneybun> lordievader has more knowledge of the wiki then I it would seem
[03:44] <valorie> because when the include is updated, so is the wiki page
[03:44] <ahoneybun> I know
[03:44] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:44] <ahoneybun> did not know that
[03:44] <valorie> I used to use includes on my webpages
[03:44] <valorie> for stuff like copyright
[03:44] <valorie> you fix the include, and all your pages are fixed
[03:45] <valorie> unfortunately that might break when we moved everything, if/when that happens
[03:45] <valorie> but whatever
[03:46] <ahoneybun> but the include is just the where to start and end in the other page
[03:46] <valorie> my goal now is to make what we've got the best
[03:46] <valorie> and I'll deal with the future when it arrives
[03:47] <ahoneybun> he also gave us a clean install kickoff screenshot
[03:47] <ahoneybun> for the software page
[03:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: as the trello reflects I believe the Getting Involved page is done
[03:49] <ahoneybun> or has a good start
[03:51] <valorie> yes, I think it's good
[03:51] <valorie> I'll go through the other 'done' pages again, but I think we're doing really well
[03:52] <ahoneybun> I think so as well
[03:54] <ahoneybun> how would you rate the software/development page as being done?
[03:55] <valorie> not sure; i need some feedback from devels about accuracy and completeness
[03:55] <ahoneybun> ok
[03:55] <valorie> then I'll get links
[03:55] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[03:56] <valorie> I ran out of steam doing that, and then figured why do work that should be tossed anyway?
[03:56] <ahoneybun> so we are tossing it?
[03:56] <valorie> no, no
[03:56] <valorie> but perhaps some of what I listed isn't much used
[03:57] <valorie> so should be removed from the lists
[03:57] <ahoneybun> utils should be one
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I think
[03:57] <valorie> the only problem I have with that screenie is that the slider is at the bottom instead of the top
[03:57] <valorie> why shouldn't we cover utilities?
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I see
[03:57] <valorie> some people don't even know what we have to offer
[03:58] <valorie> I meant on the actual devel page
[03:58] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ping
[03:58] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[03:58] <ahoneybun> the software/devel ?
[03:58] <valorie> it's very high quality, but it would be best to match our list
[03:58] <valorie> yes
[03:59] <ahoneybun> the image is good quality?
[03:59] <valorie> anyway, I'm going to watch a movie for awhile
[03:59] <valorie> yes, the image is good quality, but I think the slider should be at the top so the image matches our list of pages
[03:59] <valorie> I'll bbl
[03:59] <ahoneybun> k
[03:59] <ahoneybun> but
[03:59] <valorie> but?
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I think I would be a team member of the docs team, no?
[04:00] <valorie> what?'
[04:00] <valorie> where
[04:00] <ahoneybun> a member of the docs team
[04:00] <ahoneybun> launchpad? just asking
[04:00] <valorie> oh
[04:00] <valorie> sure
[04:01] <valorie> mostly that is so we can check out the docbook files
[04:01] <ahoneybun> I will not hold you up for the movie
[04:01] <valorie> at this point, what we have is mostly junk
[04:01] <valorie> imo
[04:01] <ahoneybun> the wiki pages?
[04:01] <valorie> present docbook=junk
[04:02] <ahoneybun> ok
[04:02] <valorie> you've got the best of it in the wiki pages
[04:02] <ahoneybun> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/offline-packages.html 
[04:02] <valorie> yeah, i read that
[04:02] <valorie> pretty cool
[04:02] <valorie> I wonder if that works for us too?
[04:02] <valorie> anyway, back in awhile
[04:03] <ahoneybun> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/index.html
[04:03] <ahoneybun> one more thing sorry
[04:03] <ahoneybun> I think this is awesome
[04:03] <valorie> I like ours better, but they have some excellent ideas as well
[04:04] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:04] <ahoneybun> I'll talk to you later
[07:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: time travel
[07:33] <shadeslayer> ??
[07:33] <apachelogger> the answer to every dw question is time travel
[07:34] <shadeslayer> ah
[07:34] <shadeslayer> but really, it makes no sense :P
[07:34] <shadeslayer> He clearly dies, they burn his body, he is not not transferred to another body as Professor Song clearly says
[07:35] <shadeslayer> the most fun part is that there's no Clara Oswald there
[07:35] <shadeslayer> seeing as he's > 1100 years old, he's obviously met her in S7, but no Clara Oswald in S6 when he dies
[07:36] <apachelogger> well
[07:36] <apachelogger> he was gone once
[07:36] <apachelogger> then he was dancing at a wedding
[07:36] <shadeslayer> :S
[07:37] <apachelogger> and to make that happen moffat didn't even need time travel
[07:37] <apachelogger> ....
[07:37] <shadeslayer> younger Doctor who just happened to be there?
[07:37] <shadeslayer> will have to see that episode to really comment :P
[07:37] <apachelogger> many options
[07:37] <apachelogger> you could take an asortment of drugs
[07:37] <shadeslayer> super slow torrents, barely any seeders :(
[07:37] <apachelogger> whatever you come up with is probably close to what is going to happen :P
[07:38] <shadeslayer> lol
[07:39] <apachelogger> anyway, it wouldn't be him saving himself
[07:39] <apachelogger> it never is
[07:39] <apachelogger> at the very best someone else will have to enable him to do that
[07:40] <shadeslayer> yeah, can't be that, isn't there a rule about not going back into your own time or sth?
[07:40] <shadeslayer> too much of a pradox
[07:40] <apachelogger> there's rules, and there is the doctor :P
[07:40] <shadeslayer> haha
[07:41] <apachelogger> the paradox would try to auto-correct IIRC
[07:41] <apachelogger> so it's not impossible, it's just not a very good idea as you may turn yourself into green goo
[07:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have season 6 on your HDD?
[07:43] <shadeslayer> can you make it available to me ? :P
[07:46] <shadeslayer> lol
[07:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.ebay.in/itm/Doctor-Who-Sonic-Screwdriver-Programmable-Universal-Remote-Control-Coll-ILJ-/290866846505?pt=IN_LCD_LED_Plasma_Televisions&hash=item43b903db29#ht_2939wt_908
[07:58] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Pong, do you guys need a new/better screenshot? I'm on it!
[08:12] <lordievader> ahoneybun, valorie: Made a screenshot with the slider in the top position. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software
[08:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Would it be nice to have the Muon screenshots without the mouse-cursor?
[09:19] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, lordievader: actually the documentation order is wrong, MSC should be the first and preferred version
[09:24] <lordievader> apachelogger: I have it noted ;)
[11:00] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[11:01] <soee> good morning
[13:22] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1186721] package libqt4-designer 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.4 failed to install/upgrade: erreur lors de l'éc... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1186721 (by joe fobs)
[18:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ping
[19:41] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ping
[19:43] <markey> I'm starting to wonder if there's something wrong with QtScript in Kubuntu. Amarok is crashing a lot with scripts, and the crashes are always deep in the QtScript library
[19:43] <markey> on Gentoo noone can reproduce these
[19:43] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Have you seen apachelogger's comment about Muon?
[19:44] <ahoneybun> kinda did not fully understand
[19:46] <lordievader> ahoneybun: In the software section we talk about the Muon Package Manager, if I understand apachelogger correctly the Muon Software Center is preferred.
[19:46] <ahoneybun> yea I see that after rereading
[19:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: look at the repository section, it say for more information see the /basic/managingrepositories but all the content on that page is on the basic page
[19:48] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Only the adding/removing repos is on the basic page.
[19:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: switched and done
[19:49] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ?
[19:49] <ahoneybun> I put MSC before MPM
[19:50] <lordievader> Ah, oke. Nice.
[19:51] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Anyhow do you like what I did with the basic page?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> lordievader: expand the other subpages onto it?
[19:56] <lordievader> What other subpages are you talking about?
[20:04] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic/ManagingSoftware
[20:04] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic/ManagingRepositories
[20:08] <lordievader> I just made a slight change to ManagingRepos. Still aint clear what you want...
[20:08] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ^
[20:09] <ahoneybun> what I we want is for the docs to the best they can be
[20:09] <ahoneybun> bbl
[20:10] <lordievader> True, true.
[20:30] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I'm going to bed, talk to you tommorow.
[21:24] <valorie> lordievader: excellent screenie! thanks
[21:25] <valorie> so Development isn't first in the default menu?
[22:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: pin
[22:59] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't think it is there unless you install something related to it
[23:09] <valorie> ah, that's a thought
[23:09] <valorie> maybe we should move that to the bottom then
[23:10] <valorie> I couldn't find your template so I didn't make any new pages last night
[23:10] <valorie> did you save one?
[23:28] <ahoneybun> no I use the KubuntuTemplate one
[23:29] <valorie> ok, I'll use that then
[23:29] <valorie> also: http://home.chpc.utah.edu/~davidr/humor/pricelist.html is funny
[23:31] <ahoneybun> lol 
[23:36] <valorie> esp. the last line
[23:36] <valorie> grabbed that from the kde-sysadmin chan
[23:38] <ahoneybun> how does one make a template
[23:38] <valorie> I assume save it as a template?
[23:38] <valorie> not sure
[23:39] <valorie> I hate moinmoin, so I've not investigated that
[23:39] <ahoneybun> not sure as well
[23:40] <ahoneybun> the only issue with the KubuntuTemplate is that is has the topbar that is so old
[23:42] <valorie> right, that's why I didn't use it
[23:45] <ahoneybun> I just removed that part
[23:52] <ahoneybun> I have been kinda starting from nothing and just coping my older work
[23:55] <valorie> I was too tired to do that last night
[23:55] <valorie> it will all get done in time
[23:55] <valorie> and we have plenty of time