[17:20] <pdurbin> 'I just seem to have a difficult time relating to other "normal" women in tech.' --Amy Rich at https://plus.google.com/110918605531791372572/posts/NTs2xn5dzu3
[17:21] <pleia2> not everyone is cut out for being a mentor (indeed, we often have to explain to people that not all women involved in this project are all the women in ubuntu, only those who see the problem and want a way to help)
[17:22] <pleia2> it is nice to hear that some women don't have challenges :)
[17:22] <pdurbin> yeah, no kidding. I had the same thought
[17:24] <pleia2> I'm sure it helps to stay "one of the guys" with similar geeky interests, I probably could have avoided a lot of trouble if I stayed there
[17:24] <pleia2> turns out that as much as I enjoyed that, I also enjoy the company of other women and want to see more :)
[17:24] <pdurbin> sure
[17:25] <pdurbin> the interesting thing about that post to me is that there seems to be some unfinished business
[17:25] <pdurbin> like she wants to help
[17:25] <pdurbin> she wants to give back to the community
[17:25] <pdurbin> but she's not sure the best way
[17:26] <pleia2> it's difficult if you don't see the problem, in her case I'd say just continuing to be awesome is the way to go, just seeing other women in the industry helps
[17:26] <pleia2> not all of us have to be proactive about it
[17:26] <pdurbin> yeah, that's the feedback I gave, basically. please keep being awesome
[17:26] <pleia2> actually, if all of us were, that would take away from all of our careers and we'd be playing catchup even more
[17:27] <pdurbin> sure. makes sense
[17:27]  * pleia2 has had to tone back her own involvement as career stuff took over
[18:34] <svaksha> pdurbin: i've also met women who dont want to rock the boat. They will quietly toe the line their male friends draw as they dont want to upset them or 'lose' their friendship.
[18:34]  * svaksha finds it strange, but mileages vary.
[18:55] <svaksha> Btw, sometimes even men dont know how to deal with it: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2013-March/006160.html
[18:56] <svaksha> or they may not see it as a problem, until someone points it out.
[20:29] <pdurbin> svaksha: interesting. I've never thought about the difference between objectification vs. sexualization. makes sense, I guess
[20:30] <pdurbin> now this, this is ridiculous: http://metacircus.com/hacking/2011/10/23/lispy-abuse-of-ruby-local-functions.html
[20:31] <pdurbin> via "PSA: Please don't start your blog posts out by alluding to violence against women, jesus christ" at https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/338083997194256384
[21:33] <valorie> uh, not sure calling out on twitter is the best way to handle it, but better than remaining silent, I suppose
[21:42] <pdurbin> on the T in Boston we hear all the time "if you see something, say something"
[21:50] <valorie> the good thing about the tweet is that it calls out the behavior, not the person
[21:53] <pdurbin> yep