[00:00] <boosali> NikTh: i get this: Error parsing proxy URL http://localhost:4001 : Bad port number.
[00:00] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: you still want a static IP address for the server really, before you do too much more
[00:00] <boosali> NikTh: though in the browser it works fine
[00:00] <Hexagonite> I don't know why I get faster performance without a graphics driver...
[00:00] <boosali> NikTh: seems like we are on the right path :)
[00:00] <Dr_Willis> Hexagonite,  huh? that made no sence.
[00:01] <Hexagonite> deactivated my graphics driver from 'Additional drivers', elementaryOS ran faster
[00:01] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: Okay! How do I do that?
[00:01] <zilla> hello im trying to make a persistant live usb 12.04 pendrive and when i select no space for live boot it works however when i select any amount of space it loads for hours when selectinfg try iit
[00:01] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: If you don't mind haha
[00:01] <Dr_Willis> Hexagonite,  and what video card are you using?
[00:01] <cheffed> anybody care to help me?
[00:01] <Hexagonite> AMD Radeon HD 6290
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> Hexagonite,  theres the open sourced drivers and then theres the proiparity drivers from amd. You are not using 'no' drivers. you are using the open sourced drivers
[00:02] <Hexagonite> wait, what?
[00:02] <Guest20003> i have intel integrated graphics and i also get better performance running without my drive installed, the open source ones work better..
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> You use either the OPEN SOURCED drivers., or the drivers from AMD/ATI
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> open sourced come by default.
[00:03] <cheffed> nobody? :(
[00:03] <zilla> Any advice
[00:03] <boosali> NikTh: can i use the IP of changelogs.ubuntu.com?
[00:04] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: edit /etc/network/interfaces, pastebin it and i'll explain how
[00:04] <Dr_Willis> cheffed,  try differnt wireless channels perhaps. or ask in #hardware       such issues are very rare.
[00:04] <Dr_Willis> cheffed,  also check askubuntu.com   and test with some live cd's to see if any other disrtos work properly
[00:04] <Dr_Willis> could be a bug with th wireless drivers
[00:04] <NikTh> boosali:  Try these commands http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZftPf3QZ Post back Full results .. (terminal output must set to unlimited scrolling)
[00:05] <tones> what's the gui way to download the newest version of Unetbootin in ubuntu?
[00:05] <Dr_Willis> tones,  get it from the unetbootin homepage in your browser perhaps?
[00:06] <Dr_Willis> if it has a PPA  , add the unetbootin ppa and use the normal package manager tools would be a good way also.
[00:06] <boosali> NikTh: how do i set the terminal to unlimited scroll?
[00:06] <Dr_Willis> tones,  the pendrivelinux web site has alternatives to unetbootin also.
[00:06] <ripplebit> guys how do i end a pipe?
[00:06] <boosali> NikTh: i get the same error from the wget u gave me: Error parsing proxy URL http://localhost:4001 : Bad port number.
[00:06] <tones> Dr_WIllis, I tried that but it won't open when downloaded
[00:06] <boosali> NikTh: wtf?
[00:06] <tones> what program to use to open it?
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> tones,  depends on excatly what you downloaded
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> tones,  if its a executable binary.  you make it executable then run it
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> if its anb archive. you extract it
[00:07] <tones> that's why I was looking for the gui way, I downloaded off the unetbootin site and sourcefore
[00:07] <tones> ge
[00:07] <NikTh> boosali:  do you use any program such as anon-proxy ?
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> tones,  make it an executable file.. IF its an executable binary..
[00:08] <boosali> NikTh: not that i know of...
[00:08] <ripplebit> anyone know how to end a pipe in terminal?
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  clarify what you mean
[00:08] <NikTh> boosali:  Did you set any proxy variables ?
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> command | pastebinit
[00:08] <boosali> NikTh: no, but where should i check?
[00:09] <NikTh> boosali:  cat .bashrc
[00:09] <BroUnicorn> wait what do I need to do with paste bin?
[00:09] <ripplebit> as in: "$ cat > foo.txt" which then goes to newline
[00:09] <ripplebit> for input
[00:09] <ripplebit> wondering how to end that
[00:09] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: What about paste bin?
[00:09] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,   no prompt? you can use ctrl-c or   ctrl-d if you made a typo
[00:09] <Dr_Willis> thats putting sdtin into that file looks like to me.
[00:10] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: pastebin it so i can edit it for ye
[00:10] <NikTh> boosali:  about terminal scrolling.. Edit > Profile Preferences > Scrolling and tick the box (unlimited)
[00:10] <boosali> NikTh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724586/
[00:10] <daftykins> !pastebin | BroUnicorn
[00:10] <boosali> NikTh: cool, thnx
[00:10] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: highlight me when you're done, i gotta go make a late night snack \o/
[00:10] <ripplebit> i just used ctrl-z, but ctrl-c is probably better. thanks
[00:10] <cheffed> hey willis
[00:10] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  ctrl-z does a totally differnt thing... ;)  bash job controll basics..
[00:10] <tones> properties--permissions--executable file, that works thanks
[00:10] <cheffed> how can i change the wireless drivers/
[00:11] <cheffed> ?
[00:11] <infexion> I have looked this up on a bunch of different sites and I still cannot figure out how to get this to work
[00:11] <ripplebit> oh yeah im kind of new to the shell
[00:11] <infexion> on 12.04 how do you change the theme/wallpaper of the login screen?
[00:11] <Dr_Willis> cheffed,  i dont know what drivers you are using. if the addational-drivers tools suggests alternatives, then try the alternatives
[00:11] <ripplebit> so ctrl-c then?
[00:11] <NikTh> boosali:  Weird things.. try this.. open the .bashrc file and at the end add two lines
[00:11] <ripplebit> is ctrl-c the proper way of ending a piping input?
[00:11] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  since ctrl-z puts the job in the background. ;) you dont want ctrl-z
[00:12] <Dr_Willis> thats not really a piping input.. its 'command output redirection'   ripplebit
[00:12] <NikTh> boosali:  export HTTP_PROXY=
[00:12] <Dr_Willis> ctr;-c kills the process.. ctrl-\ or ctrl-d  sends an end of file   i belive
[00:12] <cheffed> says, this drivers is activated and already in use....shall i try removing it? will it pick up the default ubuntu wifi driver again?
[00:12] <deltanine> infexion, i am running elementary os (12.04) and i can access the login wallpaper from dconf-editor
[00:12] <NikTh> boosali:  export http_proxy=
[00:12] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  ive NEVER used  that syntax you are using in the decades of linux ussage.  ive used it. ;)
[00:12] <boosali> NikTh: without value?
[00:12] <NikTh> boosali:  Close the terminal an open it again.. try do-release-upgrade -cd
[00:12] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  you are just making some text file and dont want to use a text editor?
[00:13] <NikTh> boosali:  yes , without value
[00:13] <ripplebit> does no one use that?
[00:13] <ripplebit> what way should i do it?
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  what are you TRYING to do exactly?
[00:13] <ripplebit> im trying to create a new file with input at the same time
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  echo
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> ripplebit,  echo  'stuff for the file' > file.txt
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> is about alli ever use..
[00:14] <ripplebit> ah brilliant, thanks for that xP
[00:14] <Dr_Willis> i dont see why you would do things your way.
[00:14] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/1DSkJNF9
[00:14] <Dr_Willis> look up bash output redirection in the various bash guides for other ways
[00:15] <ripplebit> will do
[00:15] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: Wait, for safety I should figure out static ip on my own probably >.< shouldn't I? Or does it matter haha
[00:16] <NikTh> boosali:  where did you get this proxy.. I don't understand.. :)
[00:17] <boosali> NikTh: now i have intresting output, with -cd i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724601/ but with -c i get now this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724603/
[00:17] <boosali> NikTh: my guess is becasue the development file is bad...
[00:17] <boosali> I"ll try to remove it...
[00:18] <Slike> hi, i just installed ubuntu next to windows 8 on my uefi-based laptop. ubuntu boots fine if i select the target in the bios options, not directly
[00:18] <didac> hay alguien
[00:18] <Slike> is there a way to make it find a workable grub directly?
[00:18] <NikTh> boosali:  Also you can try  set | grep -i prox and post back the results... and apt-cache policy anon-proxy
[00:18] <boosali> NikTh: I removed all the files there, now it says i have upgrade available!!!
[00:19] <NikTh> Ok boosali.. now do.. sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade first.. then do-release-upgrade -cd
[00:20] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: lemme just show you the format
[00:20] <boosali> NikTh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724611/
[00:20] <NikTh> boosali:  Also the results of  : set | grep -i prox and : apt-cache policy anon-proxy would be interesting
[00:21] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: http://pastebin.com/PVgXULdt
[00:21] <boosali> NikTh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724616/
[00:22] <NikTh> Ok.. boosali now you are OK I think.. first do : sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , then do-releace-upgrade -cd then follow the instructions here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/203301/how-to-safely-upgrade-from-an-older-ubuntu-version-to-a-newer
[00:22] <boosali> NikTh: You Are AWESOME!!!!
[00:22] <NikTh> boosali:  You see ? You see that anon-proxy is intalled ? This program "played" with the proxy settings.. and corrupted them..
[00:23] <boosali> NikTh:i dont know this program... is it safe to remove it?
[00:23] <NikTh> boosali:  Ok.. have a nice upgrade procedure.. :-)
[00:23] <NikTh> boosali:  This program is not installed by default.. and Yes it is safe to remove it.. I don't know how been installed.. but is not installed by default.
[00:23] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: Okay, but what did that do?
[00:24] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: If you don't mind me asking, line by line
[00:24] <boosali> NikTh: thank you man!! i have been hitting my head against the wall with this thing!!!
[00:24] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: sec
[00:24] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: do you understand IP addressing and DHCP?
[00:25] <NikTh> boosali:  now the wall broke :P
[00:25] <BroUnicorn> I somewhat understand IP addressing, and I do not understand DHCP
[00:25] <boosali> NikTh: more like you opened the door next to me... :) lol...
[00:26] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: DHCP is that your computers and devices get an IP address and network settings automatically from your router when you connect to the network
[00:26] <NikTh> Now I have to go.. to another channel because I have my own problems with unity-next project :)  Glad to help boosali.
[00:26] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: problem is, if there's a power cut or you turn your router off and on, your server's IP address might change. if you have the SSH port forwarded to a static IP of say, 192.168.0.100, that computer might not be at that address anymore the next day, so the port won't be forwarded and wont' work
[00:27] <boosali> NikTh: GOOD LUCK man!!
[00:27] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: so those edits to the file configure the network interface eth0 to have a static IP (e.g. you'd put 'address 192.168.0.100' to make it always .100)
[00:27] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: sound ok?
[00:27] <NikTh> boosali:  :-)
[00:27] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: you need to have entered numbers that work for your network
[00:28] <BroUnicorn> daftykins: Right
[00:28] <regorianer> is there a possibility to disable the default respawn limit of upstart? let me explain why i need this ... the default is 10times within 5seconds, but if for any reason two programs crash at the same time (one has the connection to a bus and the other one is connecting as a client) and the respawn of the bus connector takes too long, the client will never open again because 10times tried to start and upstart is doing this really fast
[00:30] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: it's also best to change the DHCP configuration on your router, so for example if it was set to give IPs out in the 'pool' of 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.254, you'd want to change that to 192.168.0.2 - 50, with the server being something greater than .50 so that they don't overlap
[00:36] <BroUnicorn> Okay sweet so I have to do some router stuff
[00:37] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: yep
[00:37] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: after you edit that interfaces file, restarting would be easiest to 'apply' it. i've gotta get to sleep now, so ttfn!
[00:38] <BroUnicorn> Okay, so how do I get to the interfaces file one last time?
[00:38] <BroUnicorn> And thanks for all the help
[00:39] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: it's in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:39] <daftykins> BroUnicorn: no problem :) enjoy it!
[00:41] <Hexagonite> The Verge wrote about Ubuntu!
[00:42] <BroUnicorn> How do I get my router ip?
[00:44] <jrib> BroUnicorn: the ip for your router on your local ip or the external ip that your isp provides?
[00:44] <BroUnicorn> jrib: I found it, so never mind on that one, but how do I restart an ubuntu server from CLI?
[00:44] <jrib> BroUnicorn: sudo reboot
[00:46] <BroUnicorn> jrib: sweet
[00:47] <BroUnicorn> I just changed my interface file to have a static ip address
[00:48] <BroUnicorn> can I now access the server from anywhere outside of the local network?
[00:48] <Dr_Willis> try it and see
[00:48] <jrib> BroUnicorn: whether you have a static ip or not wouldn't affect your ability to reach it
[00:48] <BroUnicorn> jrib: Oh, okay
[00:48] <BroUnicorn> jrib: Then what is the purpose of a static ip?
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> the port forwarding rules will break if it changes ip
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> plus it makes it easier to find the server on the internal lan .
[00:49] <jrib> BroUnicorn: the purpose is so it doesn't change
[00:49] <BroUnicorn> Oh, okay
[00:49] <BroUnicorn> sweet
[00:50] <BroUnicorn> jrib: So how do I make it accessible from outside of the local network?
[00:50] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn,  thats what the port forwarding on the router was for.
[00:50] <Dr_Willis> ssh into the ip of your router.. it forwards to the pc
[00:51] <BroUnicorn> Ah, okay
[00:51] <BroUnicorn> so how do I port forward?
[00:51] <BroUnicorn> I didn't see that part of the conversation
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> you wull have to look at your routers settings and docs
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> I twas definatly mentioned earlier.
[00:51] <m15k> Hi. I mounted a backup and want to chroot it to reinstall grub bootloader. But I got a "permission denied". The partition is mounted as exec. Any ideas why I can't get into chroot?
[00:52]  * wombledom peeks in and sniffs o.o
[00:52] <dooglus> I just got a new laptop.  its touchpad has the buttons underneath the touchpad, rather than below it.  is there some way to configure the software to work with it properly?
[00:52] <BroUnicorn> Well I'm inside of the router and I'm searching for port forwarding :)
[00:52] <BroUnicorn> :O*
[00:52] <dooglus> ('under' as in 'closer to the earth's core', not as in 'closer to my belly button')
[00:52]  * wombledom scampers over to BroUnicorn and noses
[00:53] <BroUnicorn> wombledom: huh?
[00:53] <wombledom> yap :I
[00:54] <Shariff> I have 2 network interfaces: lo and eth0 .. lo is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, but eth0 is not. If it is not defined there (to have a dynamic or static address) where would it be defined?
[00:55] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: Okay so I found the page. what do I put as the inbound port?
[00:55] <BroUnicorn> and the type?.. and private IP address and Private port hahaha
[00:56] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn,  you were the one that decided to change ports earlier to the non-default ssh ones.. so i dont know what ports you used.
[00:56] <BroUnicorn> I know what port I used- which do I put that number into?
[00:56] <jpmh> according to nm-tool my dns servers are 260.67.222.222, 206.67.220.220 and 10.1.10.1 yet when I do a dig it tells me that the server is 127.0.0.1 - this is an issue since the 206 set are opendns and I need to use them
[00:56] <BroUnicorn> :D
[00:56] <BroUnicorn> Do I put that number for both the inbound and the private port?
[00:57] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn,  err.. both
[00:57] <Dr_Willis> UNLess you want to forward port 3333 to 22  line i mentioned earlier..
[00:57] <BroUnicorn> Oh right
[00:57] <BroUnicorn> interesting
[00:57] <BroUnicorn> I'm starting to understand it haha
[00:57] <BroUnicorn> for private IP address do I route it to the IP address of the server?
[00:57] <Dr_Willis> yes
[00:58] <Dr_Willis> what other ip do you think you could use? ;)
[00:58] <Dr_Willis> thats why we went through the whole 'static' ip stuff
[01:00] <BroUnicorn> hmm, didn't work
[01:00] <BroUnicorn> am I supposed to ssh into the router's ip address with no username?
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> the router redirects any connections on tha tport - to the PC.
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> so you ssh to the box same as you would on the local network. but using the routers ip
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> ssh bubba@yourip
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> AND since YOU decided to chagne the port.. YOU MUST tell it what PORT to use..
[01:01] <ruckus_> hass anyone installed the latest release on a macbook pro
[01:01] <BroUnicorn> okay
[01:01] <BroUnicorn> hmm
[01:01] <BroUnicorn> well it's refusing so I messed up somewhere haha
[01:02] <BroUnicorn> maybe I'm using the wrong router IP
[01:02] <dominic_> hello
[01:02] <BroUnicorn> it says my router's ip address is 192.168.2.1
[01:02] <BroUnicorn> is that the one I try to ssh into?
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> thats your INTERNAL ip.
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> NOT your external ip.
[01:02] <BroUnicorn> Okay, how do I find the external?
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> go to a web site that shows it.. or look in your rotuer settings
[01:03] <dominic_> how can i install 13.04 on my 12.04 without losing anything
[01:03] <dominic_> using a dvd
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> dominic_,  do a upgrade.. or backup everything imporntant.
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> and try the upgrade feature of the dvd/installer. I think it had one.
[01:03] <dominic_> i use the backup of ubuntu
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> I backup stuff to external usb and cloud - that i find critical.
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> i rarely do full system backups
[01:04] <BroUnicorn> Dang. That didn't work either haha.
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn,  and what ssh client.command are you using?
[01:05] <BroUnicorn> terminal on OSX
[01:05] <BroUnicorn> "ssh username@externalip -p##
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> since you are allready in the lan.. it may get confused..   i ssh in from my cellphone. ;)
[01:06] <ruckus_> has anyone  installed on a wiped out macbook pr
[01:08] <TaZeR> sorry i smash macbooks and any mac products on sight
[01:08] <TaZeR> ive been to jail a number times for that
[01:08] <TaZeR> and ive never regretted it
[01:08] <ruckus_> lol but that isn't helping me lol
[01:09] <TaZeR> i simply tell the police macintosh company is the worst and i am non violent only against mac
[01:09] <Shariff> After having installed xbmcbuntu (rather than xbmc on windows) the sound seems soft. I have already set it to max with the + key, but is there a way to increase the volume even further?
[01:10] <jpmh> ruckus_: I only run on Macs as laptops - the hardware is so much better than the same priced non-mac - the install is trivial
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> if i recall right Shariff  xbmc has its own voulme setting, and the system/puse audio also has its own setting (that i set to be like at 75%)
[01:10] <ruckus_> i have a macbook pr 6,2
[01:10] <Shariff> puse audio? That will give me something to google on :)
[01:10] <Shariff> Thanks!
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> !pulse
[01:11] <ruckus_> would like to go back to ubuntu
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> i just install xbmc on top of ubuntu normally
[01:11] <Shariff> Aahh Excellent, thanks!
[01:11] <jpmh> ruckus_: so what is the issue
[01:11] <Shariff> Dr_Willis:  I tried that, but had issues with getting it to work properly.. i'm using some old hrdware :)
[01:11] <ruckus_> haven't tried it yet, i just heard it will screw up the laptop
[01:11] <ruckus_> true?
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> Shariff,  cant say ive really had any issues.. You may want to check out Openelec if you need a stand alone xbmc machine
[01:12] <Shariff> Dr_Willis: Thanks will do!
[01:12] <Shariff> Btw.. if eth0 is not defined in /etc/network/interfaces where would it be defined (for instance to set it static or dynamic?
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> Shariff,  i run xbmc on my raspberry pi ;)
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> Shariff,  you might want to check out plex also  its a neat spinoff of xbmc
[01:12] <Shariff> Nice :)
[01:12] <Shariff> Will do!
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> its auto-confgured - by network manager - so it dosent have to be defined
[01:13] <jpmh> ruckus_: no idea by what you mean there - it installs and runs so you have first wuality hardware running a better os
[01:13] <Shariff> Dr_Willis: ànd if I want to define it? :) or better yet.. change it to static
[01:13] <ruckus_>  so i should just suck it up and install then? latest release will run fine as well?
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> network manager can do that.. i never bother ;)
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> my router handles it
[01:14] <Shariff> Dr_Willis: my router sucks in that specifically.. so how do I access network manager if all I have is xbmc as x-client
[01:14] <Shariff> :)
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> run it from a differnt desktop perhaps? or use the nm-* cli tools
[01:14] <tones> Dr_WIllis are you a network administrator?
[01:15] <Shariff> Dr_Willis: Thanks a lot!
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> nope - i just mess with a home lan
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> down to very few pcs on the lan these days
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> Ihave been playing with xbmc/raspberrypi/plex and my android upnp clients lately
[01:18] <jpmh> ruckus_: I use xubuntu since the lack of reliability of unity is an issue and I decided to switch before they took the gnome cgoice from me - I am running 12.4 as a LTS
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> Unity works very well for me. ;)
[01:19] <ruckus_> on a macbook pro Dr?
[01:19] <Dr_Willis> You can still get gnome in ubuntu.
[01:19] <Dr_Willis> I dont own any mac hardware.. got rid of it all. what little i had.
[01:19] <ruckus_> i don't think dual booting is an option
[01:19] <ruckus_> well i thought i wanted one
[01:19] <ruckus_> now i miss ubuntu
[01:20] <jpmh> ruckus_: I have not considered dual boot - so no idea
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> id rather use the $$ and buy 2 pcs then have    a mac. :)
[01:20] <TaZeR> hey i have a weird bug on ubuntu
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[01:20] <FloodBot1> TaZeR: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:20] <mbhatnag> strange kind of bug
[01:21] <jpmh> .
[01:22] <jpmh> ruckus_: you will not regret the upgrade to the better hardware - it just feels good - its like driving a jaguar rather than a ford - same engine, but feel and finish
[01:22] <TaZeR> i think smeone infected me with something
[01:22] <TaZeR> they told me to write this weird shit into my xchat
[01:22] <TaZeR> i dont know why i did it
[01:22] <TaZeR> but after that i started to spam that weird shit every 5 minutes
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> TaZeR,  close xchat delete your .xchat* dirs to reset it
[01:23] <jpmh> TaZeR: who is that someone you refer to
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> see #xchat for more help perhaps.
[01:23] <TaZeR> it was in one of those xdcc channels where they give u the free downloads of movies
[01:23] <TaZeR> they said i can get better speeds
[01:23] <TaZeR> if i typed it in
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> sounds like you know better now..
[01:24] <TaZeR> yea im only gonna download off torrents now
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> err.. learn to not type in 'random stuff' people tell you...
[01:25] <jpmh> ruckus_: also remember it is a mac so if you do want tp go back you just step into the store and they reload for you
[01:25] <Dr_Willis> pastebin what you 'typed' and show it to the people in #xchat perhaps. and show us the pastebin..
[01:25] <soy_el_pulpo> get the Dr some evidence!!
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> or just whipe out all your xchat stuff and start clean..
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> assuming it wasent somthing really weird that affected your whole /home/username dir
[01:27] <ruckus_> good point
[01:27] <ruckus_> lol thanks jp
[01:28] <darkapp> hey is there a torrent download for the new ubuntu?
[01:28] <Dr_Willis> new? which new?
[01:28] <Dr_Willis> !download
[01:28] <jpmh> ruckus_: np - you will love the quality of the hw - lenovo is as good but costs more
[01:28] <Dr_Willis> !torrents
[01:28] <darkapp> Dr_Willis: 13.04
[01:28] <Flynsarmy> My ext4 drive isn't mounting an dmesg is giving me "EXT4-fs (sdi1): no journal found". how can I fix this without losing data? A forum suggested 'tune2fs -j /dev/xxx' however the j parameter is for ext3 according to the manual
[01:29] <TaZeR> sudo su
[01:29] <TaZeR> spankme
[01:29] <TaZeR> oops
[01:29] <darkapp> lol
[01:29] <TaZeR> i thought i was in my terminal
[01:29] <darkapp> ur username is spankme?
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> err.. use 'sudo -i' not 'sudo su'
[01:29]  * darkapp smels a troll
[01:29] <TaZeR> password
[01:30] <TaZeR> i mean its not my password
[01:30] <TaZeR> its nothing
[01:30] <TaZeR> i was just joking
[01:30] <TaZeR> please dont hack me
[01:30] <darkapp> Dr_Willis: what -i do?
[01:30] <TaZeR> then i will killl you
[01:30]  * jpmh finds troll smell getting sronger
[01:30] <darkapp> wow 2.5mb per a seond on the ubutu torrent download
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> darkapp,  gives you a root shell the proper way
[01:30] <TaZeR> jpmh if ur troll smell gets too strong the troll just might find ya and stomp on ya with his giant troll foot
[01:31] <TaZeR> what u wanna do is cover  urself in troll urine
[01:31] <Ben64> TaZeR: stop
[01:31] <TaZeR> then we wont be able to smell ya comin
[01:31] <Flynsarmy> can i safely use tune2fs -j on an ext4 drive?
[01:31] <TaZeR> ben64 u tell to stop again im gonna eat your liver you understand me
[01:31] <jpmh> TaZeR: ty for the proof - you are now blocked for me
[01:32] <TaZeR> jpmh i doubt anyone has ever blocked me i am way too entertaining
[01:32] <TaZeR> so cut off ur bullshit u french fried mother fucker
[01:35] <bwat47> !ops
[01:35] <Flynsarmy> anyone able to tell me how to fix an ext4 filesystem with no journal found?
[01:36] <darkapp> sry i dont know
[01:38] <tohuw> Flynsarmy: read through this, I was able to mount an ext4 system with an unusable journal with a similar method: http://computer-forensics.sans.org/blog/2011/06/14/digital-forensics-mounting-dirty-ext4-filesystems
[01:39] <Flynsarmy> tohuw: yea just beat you to it :) got it mounted, 3 files get IO errors but luckily i have backups of those
[01:39] <megamanx1978> How do I shrink my windows partition to make my home partition bigger after ubuntu is already installed?
[01:39] <Ben64> megamanx1978: you need to do that from a livecd or usb
[01:40] <tohuw> Flynsarmy: nice.
[01:40] <kairos> I'm having problems with my sound. Root can play sounds, and I've added myself to the audio group, but it's still not working
[01:40] <Ben64> kairos: root can play sounds? why are you using root?
[01:40] <tohuw> megamanx1978: is Ubuntu on a separate logical partition from Windows?
[01:40] <kairos> Ben64: To see if it was my user or the sound card that's the problem
[01:40] <megamanx1978> Ben64 That helps but I need more info
[01:41] <Ben64> megamanx1978: like what?
[01:41] <tohuw> megamanx1978: (meaning, you didn't install with Wubi or inside Windows)
[01:41] <megamanx1978> Ubuntu is not inside windows I am duel booting
[01:41] <kairos> Ben64: And by root I meant running sudo aplay <sound>
[01:42] <tohuw> megamanx1978: Install and try gparted. Back up Windows first, read the man page to understand the ramifications and possible risks of shrinking a partition, etc.
[01:42] <megamanx1978> Let me make a screenshot with gparted
[01:43] <tohuw> megamanx1978: http://www.gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=help-manual&lang=C#gparted-resize-partition
[01:47] <megamanx1978> Here is my partition setup http://imagebin.org/259880
[01:49] <tohuw> megamanx1978: Read the link I provided. In general, you should back up, shrink Windows, grow home
[01:51] <megamanx1978> Can that be done with a seperate logical linux partiton like in my setup I just pasted?
[01:51] <megamanx1978> http://imagebin.org/259880
[01:52] <tohuw> megamanx1978: Yes. Free space is free space; any logical partition can consume it. Physically speaking, it may require partition restructuring of all the linux extended partitions, but it should work. If you experience trouble after reading the manual and giving it a go, come on back and let us know what went wrong.
[01:54] <heraclitus> What is a polyline parse error?
[01:54] <ParadoxGuitarist> So I'm trying to package a .deb for a proprietary app for debian-based users. I was planning on putting manuals in /usr/share/doc/Behringer/X32 the app in /usr/bin/  Icon for the app in /usr/share/icons/Behringer/scalable/ and .desktop file in /usr/share/applications. I know that will work for the Fedora package I made all those paths will be fine, but I'm not familiar with compatibility in Ubuntu. Does that all sound right to 
[01:55] <nathansuchy> I just found a really cool package called irssi it allows you to use irc from the command line :)
[01:55] <gordonjcp> nathansuchy: no, really?
[01:55] <gordonjcp> heh
[01:55] <megamanx1978> Thank you
[01:55] <gordonjcp> obviously not quite figured it out yet, eh
[01:56] <jpmh> I want to use open dns as my dns servers - nm-tool say that they are my primary and secondary - yjey should be set automatically - yet opendns is not what i get - help please
[01:56] <kairos> I'm having problems with my sound. I can hear it with sudo aplay <sound>, but aplay <sound> doesn't. I've added myself to the audio group, but still no luck.
[02:06] <budmang> Hey guys I have an ubuntu 12.04 server install(and a usb server  install stick) for some reason the system stopped booting.. I get grub(though it doesnt auto select any boot any more I have to manully select).
[02:06] <budmang> Will resuce mode help at all?
[02:06] <budmang> shoudl I do the bootrepair optino?
[02:09] <fellayaboy> hey when using openvpn, can you use the same client.key & client.crt if your not using it one the original one you used it on
[02:11] <mint> I am back and unable to shrink the windows partition
[02:13] <ParadoxGuitarist> is /usr/share/applicatons/ the standard for .desktop files in Ubuntu
[02:13] <trism> ParadoxGuitarist: yes
[02:14] <ParadoxGuitarist> Thanks trism: Just want to be sure /usr/share/docs/ is valid as well.
[02:14] <trism> ParadoxGuitarist: /usr/share/doc/
[02:14] <megamanx1978> tohum I am unable to shrink the windows partition
[02:15] <ParadoxGuitarist> perfect, thanks trism
[02:17] <budmang> I have an ubuntu 12.04 server CD(but LIVECD doesnt seem to be an option.. OR try...
[02:18] <UNIXgod> budmang: shutup and hack
[02:19] <kairos> I'm having problems with my sound. I can hear it with sudo aplay <sound>, but aplay <sound> doesn't. I've added myself to the audio group, but still no luck.
[02:19] <kairos> Also it's not muted
[02:20] <BlueProtoman> I can't log in to Ubuntu 13.04; when I try, I get a blank screen excpt for a frozen cursor!  Also, my wi-fi doesn't work, I can only use ethernet.   I can log in via terminal, though.  Any tips?
[02:22] <megamanx1978> I already have ubuntu installed and want to shrink my windows partition to make my home partition bigger but I am unable to shrink my windows partition it says " min size 950000 max size 950000".
[02:28] <Dr_Willis> what windows version megamanx1978 ?
[02:28] <megamanx1978> win7
[02:28] <Dr_Willis> and how are you trying to shrink the partition?
[02:28] <megamanx1978> with gparted
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> well windows has the ability to resize its own partions while running windows.  gpartd may need the windows partion to be defragged/scandisked.
[02:29] <megamanx1978> I think win7 is on a primary partition
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> you may want to check the disk layout and see how many primary/extended/logical partitions you have also.
[02:30] <Dr_Willis> i found windows much faster at resizeing its own partions then gparted is.
[02:31] <megamanx1978> How about I show you my partition table
[02:31] <Dr_Willis> screenshot of the gparted screen is one way. or pastebin the 'sudo fdisk -l' output. or 'sudo parted -l' (i think)
[02:32] <megamanx1978> http://imagebin.org/259880
[02:32] <Dr_Willis> you want to shrink sda1 ?
[02:33] <megamanx1978> Yes
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> your sda7 is way huge for just /   ;)    i would doubt if / ever gets over 50gb for most people.
[02:34] <Falon> hello
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> windows should be able to reisze sda1 while in windows. gparted may not like somthing with the filesystem. note the (!) by its entry
[02:34] <megamanx1978> I want to use the extra space for a bigger home
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> you could always setup spare space on sda7 for your users to use .  or shrink sda7 and enlarge sda6
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> gparted may want the windows partion to be 'checked, and defragged'
[02:36] <megamanx1978> So what is the windows way?
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> enlargeinbg sda6 to the left.. will mean you will need to remove/readd swap. expand sda2 (the extended) THEN expand sda6 in th extended partition
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> windows disk maager tool has a resize option
[02:37] <arowana> Hi all
[02:37] <Dr_Willis> for your simple layout - in the future you may want to use all Primary partions, since you are only using 4 partitions.
[02:38] <arowana> iPod connected in USB Disk Mode, any way to format HDD
[02:38] <arowana> iPod shows HDD failure
[02:38] <megamanx1978> Can you give me a link to the windows disk manager tool?
[02:39] <mojtaba> Hi, could you please let me know why when I change the directory to my external HDD and  use find, it is not working. but when I am in my home directory it is working!
[02:39] <wilee-nilee> megamanx1978, http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/disk-management-windows-7.htm
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> not really.. its right there on the   Computer->manage icon, disk manager
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> ##windows may  have some other ideas also.
[02:41] <darkapp> !torrent
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> depending on how full your windows hd is.. it may take some time to defrag/resize also
[02:45] <Falon> how do i let ubuntu update to 13.04? it said when i finished installing i could but it wouldnt let me I then restarted machine and now i got no updates or option to upgrade
[02:46] <pawan> hi
[02:46] <megamanx1978> Thank you Dr willis and wilee let me reboot and try that and I will come back later
[02:46] <Falon> hello padawan
[02:46] <pawan> hello
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> what release are you on now Falon ?
[02:47] <Falon> 12.10 i believe
[02:47] <pawan> wanna upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> !9.10
[02:47] <pawan> then
[02:47] <pawan> i am on 9.04
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> pawan,  using that old of an release.. it would be better to do a clean install of a newer reelase
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> !9.04
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> those have both been EOL fo rseveral years now
[02:47] <pawan> how
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> download/burn/put on USB a new iso of a newer release and do a clean install would be the 'best' way
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> otherwise you are looking at a lot of time updateing from one release to the next.
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> and like 5x the download sizes
[02:48] <pawan> i dont want to burn
[02:49] <pawan> wanna do it online
[02:49] <pawan> from ubuntu servers
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> !eol | pawan
[02:49] <BlueProtoman> I can't log in to Ubuntu 13.04; when I try, I get a blank screen excpt for a frozen cursor!  Also, my wi-fi doesn't work, I can only use ethernet.   Everything was fine before I reinstalled!  I can log in via terminal, though.  Any tips?
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> check the EOL factid for upgradeing from a EOL rlease.. good luck.. you will need it.
[02:49] <Falon> Pawan i newb to this. But I followed simple instructions to create a USB installer. off the ubuntu website
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> u[gradeing from one EOL reelase to another EOL rlease.. is a bit pointless
[02:49] <Falon> im sure you will be able to do it to
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> !12.04
[02:50] <Falon> is there a command to get the update started?
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> You will need to do some reading at the !EOL factoid if you want to upgrade to 9.10
[02:51] <pawan> i try
[02:51] <pawan> i want to go from 9.04 to 9.10 ....
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> and 9.10 is no longer supported either..
[02:51] <Falon> !13.04
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> !11.04
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> neither is 11.04
[02:53] <Falon> Downloading 13.04 img now should be done in about 3min do i just click on it to start update?
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> .img ? you mean a .iso?
[02:54] <Falon> hmm bellieves so
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> You cant just upgrade  a 9.0X release straight to 13.04  you MUST go one release to the next..
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> OR you can go one LTS release to the NEXT..
[02:54] <Falon> ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.img yes
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> .img? err.. its .iso last i looked
[02:54] <Falon>  im not on 9.04 im 12.04
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> ok. ;) it was the other guy on 9.x
[02:55] <Falon> nod
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> I think ifyou mount the iso it will ask you to upgrade.. but im no tsure
[02:56] <Falon> hmm not sure how to mount img in linux erm ubuntu
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> double click and see?
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> or...
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> !iso
[02:56] <Falon> waiting for it to finish downloading
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> i tend to do clean installs. ;)
[02:57] <Falon> btw ty for the help
[03:00] <Falon> basically got this decent deal off ebay for this laptop/netbook with touchscreen 12.1" touchscreen as a parts or repair. found out the hdd couldnt be installed with a 2.5 drive so had to specially order a 1.8 drive for it. but in the mean time i had a 80gb external usb drive laying around though ill see if i can install windows to it.
[03:00] <Falon> NOPE! windows wont let you install to a USB base drive.
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> Nope it wont
[03:00] <Falon> so im like fine i got my copy of ubuntu on 8gb flash
[03:00] <Falon> booted it up fine and dandy
[03:01] <Falon> then i said well lets see if it installs to my 80gb lol and it did no problem
[03:01] <Falon> even touch screen works
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> you could have used 'dd' to image the usb to hd. ;) and cloned the syste,
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> system
[03:02] <Falon> dont know what dd is
[03:03] <Falon> I am surprised how quick and smooth playing mp3's & mp4's are on ubuntu
[03:03] <BaD_CrC> dd/ddrescue has saved my tail numerous times
[03:03] <Falon> last time i played with a linux based system was like Redhat 4. something
[03:04] <Falon> I have a rack server just sitting around i might dump Ubuntu server on and see what i can do with it for while
[03:04] <BaD_CrC> ubuntu has come a long way since i started using it around 5.04
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> My 'rack' server. is a small stack of raspberry pis ;P
[03:04] <Falon> much more newb friendly
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> that goes for linux in general. ;)
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> no longer having to recompile the kernel to get cd-burners working
[03:06] <Falon> i have a dell power edge or something 3 blades each running 2X 2.0ghz xeon cpus 2gb ram each (too cheap to get more) and 120gb hds
[03:06] <BaD_CrC> my 'rack' is a very old dell laptop. :) as a matter of fact, i'm installing MinimalCD on it right now and will be configuring it as my LAN cache server.
[03:06] <WeThePeople> is it possible to opena  .dat file?
[03:06] <Dr_Willis>  .dat dosent really tell us what sort of file it is
[03:06] <BaD_CrC> WeThePeople: what is it from?
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> file foo.dat    may give a clue
[03:06] <WeThePeople> idk what program created it
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> then where did it come from? and what is it supposed to be?
[03:07] <malimbar> Question about grub - I just installed ubuntu a second time on a new HD, but it boots into the old hard drive automatically. How do I fix that?
[03:07] <Falon> and if you dont know what its from why would you want to open it?
[03:07] <BaD_CrC> "less file.dat" might work if it's text. or else it'll jumble the screen.
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> malimbar,  tell the bios to boot the other hd.
[03:07] <Falon> yes change boot order in bios
[03:07] <malimbar> Dr_Willis, UEFI doesn't see the second hard drive in the boot options. Wait, let me try that again just in case.
[03:08] <malimbar> I'll be back :)
[03:08] <Falon> this new laptop/netbook is prity nice i think
[03:09] <BaD_CrC> oohh, i forgot how old this laptop really was. 32-bit, core duo, 1.6ghz, 1gb ram max. this should be fun.
[03:09] <WeThePeople> dr_willis, its a data file
[03:09] <Falon> its playing a movie downloading file streaming a netflix ep playing a song  and im chatting while surfing the web.
[03:09] <BlueProtoman> I can't log in to Ubuntu 13.04; when I try, I get a blank screen excpt for a frozen cursor!  Also, my wi-fi doesn't work, I can only use ethernet.   I can log in via terminal, though.  Any tips?
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> WeThePeople,  that tells us very little other then 'its some binary file some app uses'
[03:10] <WeThePeople> dr_willis, its lists geo IP locations
[03:10] <bazhang> !ot | Falon
[03:10] <Falon> sorry
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> WeThePeople,  and you dont know what app made it? or what its used for? but you want to edit it?
[03:11] <WeThePeople> dr_willis, just want to view it
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> cat file | more
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> :) but if its binary data. it wont show much
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> vi has a binary mode also
[03:11] <WeThePeople> thanks
[03:11] <BlueProtoman> I can't log in to Ubuntu 13.04; when I try, I get a blank screen excpt for a frozen cursor!  Also, my wi-fi doesn't work, I can only use ethernet.   I can log in via terminal, though.  Any tips?
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman,  install some other desktop to use, untill you figure out whats got unity/compiz confused   perhaps.
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> also it would be a good test to see if for example lubuntu works
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> if all the desktops fail - that would point to a driver/X issue
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> if they work. that wuld point to a compiz/unity issue
[03:13] <BlueProtoman> I'll try xmonad and lxde.
[03:14] <BlueProtoman> I just have to install them first.
[03:14] <malimbar> thanks! it worked
[03:14] <aladdin> heyyo nice people. why closing a terminal shuts down an application (providing the application is launched from the terminal?)
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> aladdin,  depenmds on the app. and how you closed the terminal
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> parent closes.. closes the children in most cases
[03:15] <aladdin> Dr_Willis: I have only 2 options - Cancel and Close Terminal
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> or you could for example use  'gedit &' from the terminal and use  the 'exit' command
[03:15] <Falon> ok tried to mount that image of 13.04 but it doesnt seem to do anything should there be a  cd  or some new drive open up in computer so that i can try to install/update?
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> that closes  the terminal and should leave gedit running
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> bash job control basics -> http://web.mit.edu/gnu/doc/html/features_5.html
[03:16] <tones> do ubuntu irc people ever get together in real life?
[03:16] <aladdin> The thing is I can type anything that executes
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> whats this 'real life' of which you speak?
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> aladdin,  give us more specific details
[03:17] <tones> where humans eat and drink food and make sounds with vocal chords
[03:17] <BaD_CrC> Dr_Willis: yes, but that terminal is the controlling session for that bash shell. close the terminal, any tasks related to it will die.... unless you use screen or dtach.
[03:17] <aladdin> sorry, I mean't i cannot type anything that executes. It is like typing on the blank text editor
[03:18] <bazhang> tones, in #ubuntu-offtopic is where we talk about that
[03:18] <Ben64> aladdin: which application, how are you launching it?
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> BaD_CrC,   you can use & and exit, but it can also depend on the app you laucnhed..  the point is to not just use the CLOSE button
[03:19] <aladdin> ben64: e.g. google-chrome from terminal
[03:19] <Ben64> aladdin: if you start the application with an "&" at the end, you can exit the terminal and keep it running
[03:19] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: Lxde actually works!  However, I can't seem to use my monitor's full resolution; I gwt 1024*768 when I should get 1366*1768.
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> aladdin,  'google-chrome &'  then 'exit'  dont just hit the close button
[03:19] <BlueProtoman> Plus, I still don't have wi-fi.
[03:20] <aladdin> ahha, let me try
[03:20] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman,  my first guess - you dont have the proper video drivers going
[03:20] <mojtaba> Hi, could you please let me know why when I change the directory to my external HDD and use find, it is not working. but when I am in my home directory it is working!
[03:20] <aladdin> yeahhhhhh
[03:20] <Falon> ok tried to mount that image of 13.04 but it doesnt seem to do anything should there be a  cd  or some new drive open up in computer so that i can try to install/update?
[03:20] <Dr_Willis> mojtaba,  clarify what you mean..    with specific errors
[03:21] <aladdin> Thank Ben64 and DrWillis
[03:21] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis, that's the problem I was originally trying to solve.  Can I PM you?
[03:21] <mojtaba> Dr_Willis: I typed cd /media/myHDD
[03:21] <mojtaba> and then find . -iname *jpg
[03:21] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman,  the extent of my video driver skills is installing nvidia-current  mainly...
[03:21] <BlueProtoman> What about wi-fi drivers?
[03:21] <mojtaba> but it did not work, and when I came back to home directory with cd ~, it worked!
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> i bought wifi-dongles that work out of the box. :) on amazon.
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> plug and play and away i go.. $15
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> or i plug one in and use that addational-drivers tool
[03:22] <BlueProtoman> But my wi-fi worked fine yesteday!
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> try an older kernel from the grub menus
[03:23] <BlueProtoman> It wirjed fine with 13.04, too!  I did not upgrade, just reinstalled.
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> try installing an older kernel perhaps.
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> verify that it works with the live cd also.. it could be some odd hardware glitz
[03:24] <BlueProtoman> But I had the same damned krnel before I reinstalled!  And yes, it did work fine with a live usb!
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> compare what modules are in use on the live cd vs the installed system
[03:25] <BlueProtoman> How?
[03:25] <Dr_Willis> boot one that works.. look at lsmod output. and kernel version, and what drivers are in use
[03:26] <Falon> how do i access or use update-manager 1:0.174.3
[03:26] <Falon> ubuntu seems to hide things it seems
[03:27] <BlueProtoman> And how will this help me if I know that 13.04 works on my laptop?
[03:27] <WeThePeople> dr_willis, strings file.dat works
[03:27] <Dr_Willis_> cick the dash type 'update' and it shows the icons for the update manager tools
[03:27] <WeThePeople> strings fie.dat
[03:27] <Dr_Willis_> WeThePeople:  old skool. ;)
[03:28] <Dr_Willis_> Falon:  you could always  just do a 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get upgrade' at any time
[03:29] <Falon> lol i just started copying over the img to the flash drive replacing the old 12.04 with the 13.04 vrsn figured id restart lapy with it in and see if it wants to install or update
[03:30] <Falon> that and i have no idea how to do sudo aptget
[03:30] <bazhang> Falon, he just typed out the exact command for you
[03:30] <Dr_Willis_> to update all packages.. i just gave you the exact commands
[03:30] <Falon> <-- newb to all things linus basicaly when i played with linux it had no GUI it was txt based
[03:30] <Falon> ive been a windows man for quit a while
[03:31] <bazhang> Falon, and you cannot just drag and drop the img to the usb
[03:31] <Dr_Willis_> !manual | Falon
[03:31] <bazhang> !apt-get | Falon have a read
[03:37] <Falon> how does one launch a program that says its installed but has no icon to launch it say such as Terminal
[03:37] <Falon> agian ubuntu seems to hide things
[03:37] <aeon-ltd> Falon: what is it called?
[03:38] <Falon> probly afraid we will derp them up
[03:38] <bazhang> ctrl alt t
[03:38] <Falon> Terminal
[03:38] <Falon> Ty bAZHANG
[03:38] <bazhang> Falon, it hides nothing. learn the proper names for thing
[03:38] <bazhang> gnome-terminal in this case, iirc
[03:38] <aeon-ltd> does alt-f2 still activate the launcher?
[03:38] <bazhang> yes
[03:39] <aeon-ltd> thanks
[03:42] <Dr_Willis_> Falon:  hides what things? not everything has a GUI.
[03:42] <Dr_Willis_> !info gvim
[03:42] <nightwolf_> hello
[03:43] <Dr_Willis_> hello world.
[03:43] <nightwolf_> hello???
[03:43] <Dr_Willis_> yes?
[03:44] <Dr_Willis_> please state the nature of your ubutu support question.
[03:44] <Falon> bazhang, was right though is all, i need to learn proper names
[03:44] <Falon> im used to windows
[03:44] <Falon> cmd and stuff wont work on ubuntu
[03:44] <Dr_Willis_> windows hides quite a bit..
[03:44] <Dr_Willis_> cmd and stuff? linux has a better 'shell'  then windows has ever had.
[03:46] <Falon> is it possible to play windows based games on ubuntu? say like MMO's World of warcraft or Star wars The old republic
[03:46] <Dr_Willis_> !wine
[03:46] <bazhang> !appdb | Falon check here
[03:46] <Xenoch> hello, I have an FTP setup question if anyone can help
[03:47] <Dr_Willis_> Steam has recently been ported to linux with many linux native games also.
[03:47] <soy_el_pulpo> hi, have you guys tried to install firefox/mozilla sync?
[03:47] <Dr_Willis_> Xenoch:  give us details.. but you will also be reccomeded to not use ftp. but use ssh/sftp/scp instead ;)
[03:48] <soy_el_pulpo> any success?
[03:48] <Dr_Willis_> soy_el_pulpo:  firefox syncs here last i tried it.. dident have to install anything special
[03:48] <adam_g> anyone know why my fresh 13.04 install does not let me save recently unlocked gpg keys in my keyring, so i do not have to re-enter password? my gpg agent seems to be working, but not saving my password for session
[03:48] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis_: I have my own apache2 instance, so I understood I do not need the full server...
[03:49] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis_: I am following this guide: https://docs.services.mozilla.com/howtos/run-sync.html
[03:49] <Dr_Willis_> soy_el_pulpo:  never tried it. i just use the default firefox sync feature.
[03:49] <Falon> is there script addons for Xchat? like mIRC?
[03:49] <nightwolf_> hello
[03:49] <bazhang> !ask | nightwolf_
[03:49] <Dr_Willis_> Falon:  once you learn how Scriptable xchat is.. you realize how poor mIRC is.
[03:50] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis_: ah ok... https://services.mozilla.com/status/ says it is having issues
[03:50] <Xenoch> ok, I have installed vsftpd on my ubuntu 13.04 Virtual server, I have never messed around with the FTP backend before, using a more secure method would definitely be better. I would like to use filezilla to access my virtual development server, and using filezilla throws the error: 500 OOPS: priv_sock_get_cmd, this may be due to not having my ssh/sftp system setup. Has anyone ran across this issue that can point me in the right direct
[03:50] <Dr_Willis_> Falon:  the xchat homepage has dozens of scripts in differnt languages for your needs
[03:50] <bazhang> Falon, yes, the xchat webpage has them, and #xchat has a channel here
[03:50] <Falon> thanks will check it out
[03:50] <Dr_Willis_> soy_el_pulpo:  the more you need it working.. ;)
[03:50] <Dr_Willis_> Falon:  why do you really need any scripts? ;)
[03:51] <Falon> i like to chat on irc
[03:51] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis_: sure... I have to read a bit more...
[03:51] <Dr_Willis_> and you need a script for what exactly Falon ?
[03:51] <Dr_Willis_> I dont use any scripts at all on xchat.
[03:51] <Falon> is nice to do stupid things like spam system info or mp3s playing atm or ascii text art
[03:51] <Dr_Willis_> well.. thats one way to get booted from this channel. ;P
[03:51] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis_: if the guys over #sync cannot help me I will schedule an appointment with the DR, lol
[03:52] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis_: maybe on your bag of tricks have something that may help me
[03:52] <Falon> yeh I did not intend to do that here
[03:52] <Dr_Willis_> Falon:  if you want the most 'scriptable' clients. that would most likely be irssi and weechat.
[03:52]  * Dr_Willis_ tends to use weechat
[03:52] <Falon> hmm never heard of them will check them out
[03:53] <soy_el_pulpo> Xenoch: for what you want the FTP? it is not very secure....
[03:54] <malimbar> ok, weird. UEFI doesn't see the new hard drive as an option (so I cahn't change boot priority), but if I select boot options at startup I can select it manually
[03:54] <malimbar> help would be appreciated
[03:55] <Xenoch> I am failing to undestand the diference between sFTP and FTP essentially, I would like an online virtual server that is secrure against standard port scans etc for working on small personal projects (nothing overly sensitive). Secure is better obviously, but I have no idea on where to start, is vsftpd a good thing to use or is there better? I am working on learning PHP and brushing up my portfolio in looking for a job in software dev.
[03:55] <soy_el_pulpo> Xenoch: for example: I want to backup my laptop files on something like dropbox (without dropbox) so I use "OwnCloud" server and client over https or vpn...
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> tried installing/running boot-repair malimbar ?
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> could be grub isent configured totally correct for the bios to notice the hd
[03:55] <malimbar> Dr_Willis, boot-repair? nope
[03:55] <Xenoch> I have a group of us that are working a on a few fun apps
[03:56] <malimbar> I don't see how it can be a grub problem, as this happens before grub is loaded
[03:56] <soy_el_pulpo> Xenoch: FTP is plain text transfers. sFTP uses a security/encryption layer
[03:56] <Xenoch> I am gettting a 500 OOPS: priv_sock_get_cmd from filezilla, and was wondering if attempting to login with my username/pass for ubuntu without setting up sFTP on vsftpd might be causing that issue
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> malimbar:  its mentioned at the !fixgrub wiki page
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> Xenoch:  err.. sftp is handled by ssh. ftp is vsftpd..
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> at least i dont think vfsftp does 'sftp'
[03:57] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: Hey Dr. Willy! I'm still having issues getting it working
[03:57] <Xenoch> well that clears it up, ok, so what program/ package would be best for the sftp on ubuntu 13.04
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  'getting it working'  - assume people on this channel have the attention span of a newt.. i have no idea what your origitnal issue was.
[03:58] <soy_el_pulpo> Xenoch: but if you are doing development, some kind of version control system will be better for that?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Xenoch:  ssh does sftp as far as i know. the normal ssh server/service does it
[03:58] <malimbar> Dr_Willis, alright, off to try this :)
[03:58] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: my bad :P trying to get my server ssh'able from outside of the local network
[03:59] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis: using scp?
[03:59] <Xenoch> I have git setup on the server as well (abot to try setting that up as a repository, but dont I need an FTP system as well or will git handle al of that?
[03:59] <alex57> Hello. Can I get some help here about my installation not working after an update ?
[03:59] <soy_el_pulpo> Xenoch: ins't github open for people to use it?
[04:00] <Xenoch> I want a more private system, and I want to learn the ins and outs of github
[04:01] <soy_el_pulpo> Xenoch: have you seen this one?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Git
[04:01] <nightwolf_> ok I will try disks
[04:02] <Xenoch> so github will handle all of my file transfers to my serve,r thanks guys, I am out
[04:02] <Falon> This is probly gonna sound stupid, but what is the difrence between the OS and the Kernal? I thought they were the same for linux?
[04:02] <Dr_Willis> kernel = foundation of your house..
[04:02] <Dr_Willis> OS - is the whole house. ;P
[04:02] <Falon> ahh thanks for the easy to understand image
[04:02] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis: bathroom = garbage collection system?
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> bathroom = where flash belongs.. ;P
[04:03] <Falon> lol
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> you 'have' to use it at times..but it 'stinks'
[04:03] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_Willis: ther eis no solution for Flash, jut to flush it
[04:03] <soy_el_pulpo> just
[04:03] <BroUnicorn> When trying to ssh into my server across the internet, is this the ip I need to use? http://www.findmyrouter.net
[04:04] <Falon> apparently its updating the kernal atm
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  is it the same as --> [BroUnicorn] (~mcclainre@75.92.217.70):
[04:04] <Falon> didnt think i could do that and still use the ubuntu figured id have to go into some kind of setupscreen restart few times then be in the new 13.04
[04:05] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: How did you get my name? 0.o
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> --> /whois nick
[04:05] <BroUnicorn> okay, so I should use that ip address?
[04:05] <ihtiRas> Hi.... !
[04:05] <Falon> hi
[04:05] <BroUnicorn> I need to change my real name :(
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  are they the same ip?
[04:06] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: Yes.
[04:06] <ihtiRas> Good Morning Channel
[04:06] <Falon> is evening here
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  there ya go then. seems its the ip to me
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> and it CAN change depending on your isp
[04:06] <ihtiRas> Thx Falon
[04:06] <ihtiRas> From ?
[04:06] <soy_el_pulpo> hi
[04:07] <Falon> -5:00 GMT eastern time zone
[04:07] <ihtiRas> hi soy_el_pulpo welcome
[04:07] <bazhang> !ot | Falon ihtiRas
[04:07] <alex57> I updated from a fine working 12.04 LTS to 12.10 on an old computer and now I can only boot in recovery mode, startx fails. If I try to boot normally I end up with a screen that changes between black, purple and light purple. What can I do to get the GUI back ?
[04:07] <ihtiRas> .
[04:08] <Scrivener> Hey all! \o/ How's it going?
[04:08] <bazhang> ihtiRas, this is NOT the chat channel
[04:08] <Scrivener> Just got back from Texas Linux Fest.
[04:08] <Falon> My update is done it wishes me to restart I shall be back if everything went well. :P
[04:08] <ihtiRas> bazhang What Channel ?
[04:08] <Scrivener> So the good thing is I figured out the cause of choppy animations in Unity on a GTX 560ti (refresh rate too low), but now I've got a question I figure someone on here might've encountered before.
[04:09] <Scrivener> Is a fullscreen app following my workspace switching intended, or is that a bug?
[04:09] <ihtiRas> I went for the first time
[04:09] <bazhang> ihtiRas, #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat NOT here
[04:09] <Scrivener> For example, I can have Firefox in fullscreen on a workspace, and if I Super-S to go to the switcher, hover over a workspace, and Super-S again to select it..
[04:10] <Scrivener> The Firefox window moves with me.
[04:10] <Scrivener> So I basically can't use that as a method to switch workspaces.
[04:10] <Scrivener> As long as there is a fullscreen app in the workspace I'm coming from.
[04:10] <Scrivener> It's not a giant problem since I can always Ctrl-Alt-Arrowkey, but it made me wonder whether that was working as intended or not.
[04:13] <Falon> ok back
[04:13] <Falon> but cant tell if im runing 13.04 now
[04:14] <bazhang> !version | Falon
[04:15] <alex57> please help: startx won't start
[04:15] <Falon> I dont get it said i updated downloaded and installed stuff but im still at
[04:15] <Falon> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[04:15] <Falon> Description:	Ubuntu 12.10
[04:15] <Falon> Release:	12.10
[04:15] <Falon> Codename:	quantal
[04:15] <FloodBot1> Falon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:16] <Falon> Huh?
[04:16] <default_> don,t tic of the flood bot
[04:16] <default_> of i mean off
[04:17] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: I keep getting connection refused. Should I post a paste bin of my interfaces and my sshd config?
[04:17] <default_> joke
[04:17] <Jordan_U> Falon: Please don't paste more than one line into the channel. If you need to show us more than one line of output post it to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and give us a link.
[04:18] <Falon> Ok apparently it had to upgrade software first now it will upgrade to 13.04
[04:18] <BroUnicorn> Can anyone help me? I cannot ssh into my computer unless I'm on LAN
[04:18] <BroUnicorn> not computer, but server*
[04:18] <BroUnicorn> well, computer server
[04:19] <Ben64> BroUnicorn: you probably need to forward ports
[04:19] <pero_p> hi, is this possible to download only 10KB of file with wget?
[04:19] <Falon> ack quick question about ubuntu upgrades? does it wipe data say files you store on the drive to do so  or are documents pics and music safe?
[04:20] <default_> how it work with ssh other wise for your set up
[04:20] <BroUnicorn> Ben64: I've tried to but I'm unsure if I did it correctly on my router. It's a Belkin, FYI
[04:20] <malimbar> Dr_Willis: finished the boot-repair off of a usb stick. rebooted, The boot options were the old HD, the DVD drive, and one called "NA". I figured the NA was the new HD without a name, chose that. Now my computer wont' even go past POST
[04:20] <malimbar> won't beep
[04:20] <Ben64> BroUnicorn: ssh is port 22 tcp, you need to know the ip address
[04:20] <BroUnicorn> I changed my port
[04:20] <default_> maybe foward ports
[04:20] <BroUnicorn> which ip address?
[04:20] <BroUnicorn> the server local ip address?
[04:21] <Ben64> BroUnicorn: http://portforward.com/
[04:22] <BroUnicorn> Ben64: Thank you
[04:22] <MINTDOME> Hello I been trying to install adobe flash playes and the command cp -r /usr/*/usr keeps on giving me usr/bin and usr/bin are the same file
[04:22] <MINTDOME> player
[04:22] <BroUnicorn> Ben64: I don't know if my /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[04:22] <BroUnicorn> file is correct*
[04:22] <BroUnicorn> or if my /etc/network/interfaces file is correct
[04:22] <MINTDOME> how to do i overwrite and copy the files
[04:24] <MINTDOME> ?
[04:24] <Ben64> MINTDOME: thats not how to install adobe, and are you on mint?
[04:25] <MINTDOME> Ben no Gnome 12
[04:25] <Ben64> what is gnome 12?
[04:26] <bazhang> MINTDOME, is this in a ubuntu-based system?
[04:26] <MINTDOME> yes how do chk the version in terminal
[04:26] <malimbar> alright, in the process of trying to fix UEFI's boot process, I apparently ruined it to the point that my computer won't POST. Any recommendations? (I used boot-repair off a USB drive, stupidly set up the boot order to point to one called "NA", and now my pc won't even POST)
[04:26] <bazhang> MINTDOME, mint? bt? or what
[04:27] <MINTDOME> linux 12
[04:27] <muculus> http://serverfault.com/questions/512549/log-specific-process-cpu-and-memory-usage-by-name
[04:27] <dooglus> I just installed ubuntu on a new laptop and can't get the touchpad working well.  can someone help please?
[04:27] <malimbar> dooglus: what is it doing exactly?
[04:28] <MINTDOME> it didnt have xchat preinstalled i just installed from synaptic
[04:28] <cfhowlett> malimbar, I seem to recall some kind of physical reset option but that means removing the cover and closing a circuit with a paper clip or similar.  Don't have the link though
[04:28] <dooglus> malimbar: it doesn't have any buttons, just a large touch area.  you 'click' by pressing on the touch area, which makes it click, like there's a button under the touch surface.
[04:28] <MINTDOME> the read me on Adobe Flash Player said to copy the usr files and when i  use the command
[04:29] <MINTDOME> it say all the files are the same
[04:29] <dooglus> malimbar: that makes double-click and drag impossible, since I can't hold down the 'button' without touching the touch surface, which then means I can't move the cursor
[04:29] <Ben64> MINTDOME: you're likely to break stuff by doing that
[04:29] <aladdin> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:29] <MINTDOME> Ben so what im suppose to do im not sure thats y im here been searching forums no luck
[04:29] <aladdin> Anybody what it is?
[04:29] <Ben64> MINTDOME: and you still haven't said what system you're running... if its ubuntu you should be able to get the flash player from the software center
[04:30] <cfhowlett> aladdin, the codecs for multimedia that are not installed by default .. .mp3 and similar
[04:30] <dooglus> malimbar: does that make sense?
[04:30] <MINTDOME> I have software manager not center
[04:30] <malimbar> dooglus: double click and drag drags... windows?
[04:30] <aladdin> cfhowlett: cool, thanks. is it safe  to install?
[04:30] <malimbar> similar to alt+drag?
[04:31] <cfhowlett> aladdin, it is.
[04:31] <Ben64> MINTDOME: ok, so what are you running? linux mint? backtrack? fuduntu? something else?
[04:31] <aladdin> cfhowlett, okay
[04:31] <dooglus> malimbar: double-click selects words, double-click and drag selects multiple words; but forget that - even single-click and drag doesn't work - because to drag I have to keep a finger on the touch area, which stops the other finger from dragging
[04:32] <cfhowlett> aladdin, safe.  stuff can't be installed by default due to legal/licensing.  pay  attention there are a couple of "enter" required during the font installation
[04:32] <dooglus> I guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/365952 is the same issue - but that says it has been fixed... and it hasn't
[04:32] <MINTDOME> ben  64:3.2.0-43-generic GNU/Linux
[04:33] <bazhang> !version | MINTDOME
[04:34] <malimbar> dooglus: I'm not exactly sure how you'd want to change the behavior, but I would first guess it is a driver problem. Which laptop are you using?
[04:34] <MINTDOME> Linux Mint 12  first time using this
[04:35] <bazhang> !mintsupport | MINTDOME
[04:35] <MINTDOME> how do i do that
[04:35] <dooglus> malimbar: I want to be able to select text by clicking at the start of it, and dragging to the end of it.  it's an asus laptop
[04:36] <dooglus> malimbar: sorry, acer.  acer v5-571-6830
[04:36] <malimbar> dooglus: and you click with a tap. So tap then drag should act like click + drag. I think I got you now
[04:37] <dooglus> malimbar: it's what I think is called a 'clickpad' - a touchpad with no buttons, but which physically clicks when you press on it
[04:37] <dooglus> malimbar: I click by pressing the touchpad harder until it clicks
[04:37] <dooglus> malimbar: not tap-to-click, but an actual hardware click
[04:37] <malimbar> ah
[04:38] <dooglus> if I'd noticed the touchpad didn't have buttons I wouldn't have bought it.  I guess I'll take it back and exchange it tomorrow
[04:38] <malimbar> dooglus: in lue of a driver change, I bet there is a way to enable that in settings
[04:38] <dooglus> just wondered if there's a software fix
[04:38] <malimbar> dooglus: but I currently don't have an ubuntu install (if you payed attention I got my own computer problem to fix :)), so I can't find it for you
[04:38] <dooglus> there's no way of holding the button down without touching the touch surface - so then when I try to drag, it sees that as a 2-finger touch, and tries to scroll or something
[04:39] <dooglus> malimbar: what's your problem?
[04:40] <malimbar> dooglus: said it when I first entered, broke the BIOS when trying to fix the boot-order on UEFI. Now it won't even POST. Looking up online how to reset that
[04:42] <dooglus> malimbar: ugh.  this is the first UEFI laptop I've seen.  getting it to boot and install ubuntu was trivial though
[04:42] <paddy> i wish there was a way to run Ubuntu 10.04 on my hardware :P
[04:42] <paddy> the other features that came along the way are too advanced
[04:43] <malimbar> dooglus: oh, it used to work fine. I just installed a new HD though that UEFI wasn't recognizing as an option for boot-order
[04:43] <paddy> "it sees that as a 2-finger touch" etc.
[04:43] <Ben64> paddy: 12.04 works fine
[04:43] <paddy> it works, but fine is something else :P
[04:43] <Ben64> just turn off unity and it's just as fast if not faster than 10.04
[04:43] <paddy> i am stuck in the year 2009
[04:43] <paddy> ah, true
[04:44] <paddy> i could try Unity2
[04:44] <malimbar> dooglus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop - have you tried putting two fingers on the clickpad when you click?
[04:44] <BroUnicorn> hey what port am I forwarding for ssh
[04:44] <BroUnicorn> I'm trying to make it accessible worldwide
[04:44] <paddy> BroUnicorn: have a "cat" at /etc/services
[04:44] <Ben64> BroUnicorn: 22 unless you changed it
[04:45] <YokoBR> guys, anybody having trouble with ati hybrid graphics?
[04:45] <BroUnicorn> and if I changed it just the number I changed it to?
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  this is why we suggested sticking to the defaults
[04:45] <malimbar> dooglus: as in, click, and hold that click while the othe finger moves
[04:45] <paddy> BroUnicorn: but it is wise to use something like fail2ban then too when you open your ssh to the public
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  if your router has a 'dmz' setting you could just set it in the dmz and all ports on it will be open, as if it was directly connected to the internet
[04:46] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: I'll just change it back
[04:48] <BroUnicorn> Dr_Willis: Okay, I enabled the local IP address of the server in DMZ
[04:48] <BroUnicorn> Now should it be accessible?
[04:51] <BroUnicorn> I still cannot connect. This is a paste bin of my interfaces file and my sshd_config file
[04:51] <Ben64> BroUnicorn: which port is ssh running on? and what external ip?
[04:51] <BroUnicorn> 22
[04:51] <BroUnicorn> and you mean my router ip?
[04:52] <Ben64> sure
[04:52] <Ben64> like how are you checking if it's working or not
[04:53] <BroUnicorn> I'm doing "ssh username@externalip"
[04:53] <Ben64> which is....
[04:54] <BroUnicorn> 75.92.217.70
[04:54] <Ben64> then your router isn't set up properly
[04:54] <BroUnicorn> Why is that?
[04:54] <BroUnicorn> :O
[04:55] <Ben64> because all the ports are being blocked
[04:55] <BroUnicorn> I had enabled DMZ and had the ports going correctly
[04:56] <Ben64> well something isn't right
[04:56] <BroUnicorn> in my Interfaces file I have this… http://pastebin.com/Ugj1H0JA
[04:57] <BroUnicorn> are the gateway and name server supposed to be my external router ip address?
[04:59] <Ben64> external? no.
[04:59] <jacksonka> No, the gateway is
[04:59] <jacksonka> Example:
[05:00] <jacksonka> ip address 192.168.2.100
[05:00] <jacksonka> gateway 192.168.2.1
[05:00] <jacksonka> network 192.168.2.0
[05:01] <Mint> test
[05:01] <jacksonka> broadcast 192.168.2.254
[05:01] <jacksonka> or 255
[05:01] <Ben64> jacksonka: use a pastebin for multi-line stuff
[05:01] <jacksonka> k
[05:02] <jacksonka> the namesever can be caching or top level
[05:03] <jacksonka> commonly servers use caching nameservers for dns queries
[05:03] <jacksonka> hope this helps
[05:06] <jacksonka> Oh BroUnicorn your public address is given by your provider generally ipv4
[05:08] <jacksonka> This address is a public address on the internet.  The gateway is your local area network is probably 192.168.2.1 or 192.168.200.1 or 192.168.1.1.
[05:09] <Mint>  /nick your_favorite_Mint Dome
[05:09] <Ben64> jacksonka: most of what you're saying is irrelevant...
[05:09] <jacksonka> There is what is called the lan or local area network gateway to the wan wide area network.  The gateway ties the two together through NAT network address translation.
[05:09] <Ben64> just stop
[05:10] <jacksonka> Just thought that would help.
[05:10] <Ben64> none of that matters, and he hasn't spoken for over 12 minutes
[05:11] <jacksonka> Maybe he got his question anwered.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  you are testing this ssh from INSIDE the lan? or from a phone or other pc.. outside the lan?
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> BroUnicorn:  and you did restart the ssh service after altering its configs?
[05:21] <JoeyJoeJo> I'm using an old laptop as a wifi access point. Does anyone know of a web interface I can use to configure it? Is it possible to use OpenWRT's LuCI on ubuntu?
[05:22] <Ben64> almost assuredly not. why not just buy an access point? would use like 1/100th the power
[05:25] <jacksonka> Smart Joey so check this link http://lifehacker.com/5369381/turn-your-windows-7-pc-into-a-wireless-hotspot
[05:25] <jacksonka> You will save money doing what you are considering
[05:26] <jacksonka> This gives you mobile ad hoc wifi access
[05:26] <jacksonka> I have set up all kinds of networks.
[05:26] <Ben64> this is #ubuntu, not ##windows
[05:27] <jacksonka> you can do it in windows or ubuntu 12+
[05:28] <jacksonka> Here is a link for ubuntu http://tumutanzi.com/archives/8195
[05:30] <jacksonka> In fact with that laptop you can run both wifi and bluetooth for devices.
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> !ics
[05:32] <jacksonka> cool
[05:32] <jacksonka> thanks
[05:35] <malimbar> resetting the bios by removing the cmos battery didn't work. Any other ideas to get into the UEFI if the computer won't even post?
[05:35] <Ben64> have you tried the #hardware channel? doesn't count as an ubuntu issue if you can't get to ubuntu :)
[05:35] <malimbar> Ben64: thanks, I'll do that
[05:36] <jacksonka> Sounds like memory.
[05:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone familure with lm-sensors? ive got some kinda module issue and on random boots the cpu fan does not work so i want ot control the fan manualy
[05:37] <MintDome> #linux-help
[05:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> MintDome: are you sugesting that the ubuntu spawned not working fans should not be handled here?
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> or he misstyped a /j #channelname ;)
[05:39] <aladdin> would you recommend installing firewall and how please :)
[05:39] <aladdin> ?
[05:39] <Ben64> !ufw | aladdin
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> aladdin:  what are you firewalling ?
[05:40] <tbharath> I am unable to access my hard disk, I am using ubuntu 13.04  and the error is http://pastie.org/7995408
[05:40] <aladdin> what do you mean? myself
[05:41] <Ben64> tbharath: it gives you the solution in the error message
[05:41] <malimbar> Hello! I ran myself into a problem after installing a new HD. The UEFI didn't recognize it as a valid option for boot order (I could boot into it manually by the temp boot option). I then ran repair-boot off an ubuntu liveUSB stick. In the UEFI II got a new option for a HD labeled "NA". I figured that was the unnamed new HD I put in, so I (like an idiot) selected that. Now my comptue rwon't POST
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> aladdin:  and what are you blocking by this firewall? are you runing any services?
[05:41] <malimbar> woh, it didn't tell me I can't post it that time. Woo
[05:41] <jacksonka> tbharath: msb
[05:41] <jacksonka> master boot record is the issue
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> windows mindset -  'a firewall is needed by default'  -  Linux mindset -  you may not need a firewall at all.
[05:42] <Ben64> malimbar: then choose a different option?
[05:42] <tbharath> Ben64, I have done that but no change
[05:42] <aladdin> i see what you mean. just running through youtube tutorial: '9 things u should do after installing ubuntu'. do you it is not necessary till you run any service?
[05:42] <malimbar> Ben64: it oh damn, I posted it in #ubuntu, meant for ##hardware. Sorry
[05:42] <Ben64> malimbar: yeah i figured. ##hardware might need you to be registered to talk
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> wonder if you removed the hds - if the pc would boot.
[05:43] <malimbar> Ben64: thanks. I'll figure tha tout in a second
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[05:43] <jacksonka> morning
[05:43] <aladdin> thank u, will try it anyway
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> are there oovoo alternatives for ubuntu, or does empathy can simulate this aswell?
[05:46] <aladdin> dr.willis: by 'built-in' do you mean 'installed'?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> i found some online cloud service that could broadcast on oovoo network, but maybe a package can do it too?
[05:47] <Whiskey`Wonka> so no ideas on how to get working cpu fan controls?
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> if it works at one bootup. but not the next.. somthing seems very weird.
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> or did  i missread the issue?
[05:48] <jacksonka> What is the best chat server for Ubuntu server 12.04?  Currently,  I am deploying hybrid7-ircd.
[05:48] <Ben64> aladdin: it's probably not necessary to have a firewall at all
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: you can tune fan control from bios and maybe psensor can tune some stuff
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> jacksonka:  best would depend on your need.. you may not want to use IRC at all. dependng on what you need to do
[05:49] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: sadly no, this bios has zero fan controls available
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> !info psensor | Whiskey`Wonka
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: what motherboard you got?
[05:49] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: and the issue is purely with the OS. the fans work fine one boot, not at all on the next. when it DOES work its onyl for about a hour, then the poof no more fan
[05:49] <jacksonka> I require several chat rooms for support, sales etc. in an SMB environment with small group of employees and contractors.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: you saying ubuntu shuts down your fan control?
[05:51] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: im saying its broken. what or why, i do not know.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> jacksonka:  on a local lan? or over the internet?
[05:51] <Whiskey`Wonka> i know 12.x works better and windows works fine.
[05:51] <abhi>  Hi there everyone :} I have recently installed ubuntu 13.04. Can anyone please tell me how to install all kali tools in my ubuntu 13.04 ?
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> !info kali
[05:52] <jacksonka> I am currently deploying hybrid7-ircd over ssl on the public internet but can't get hybserv up.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: mobo brand plz?
[05:52] <Whiskey`Wonka> toshiba
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> apt-get supports wildcards. or use the saearch feature of synaotic or the other pakage manbagers
[05:52] <Whiskey`Wonka> Satellite P745
[05:52] <aladdin> ben64: thanks
[05:52] <Whiskey`Wonka> Intel i5 cpu
[05:53] <jacksonka> I had to recompile via debian pkg rules and add ssl manually.
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: check ##hardware aswell if your toshiba model have overheating problems overall
[05:54] <Whiskey`Wonka> localhost: It doesnt.
[05:54] <abhi> kali tools for ubuntu 13.04 please...
[05:54] <Whiskey`Wonka> That was one of the first things i checked
[05:55] <Whiskey`Wonka> and as i said, running windows the fan works fine
[05:55] <Whiskey`Wonka> sensors doesnt see what my sensor chip is
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> abhi:  if they are in the repositories. use apt-gets wildcards, or the synaptics search feture to select/install what you want
[05:55] <jacksonka> Whiskey Wonka:  I had this problem and you can find the culprit by ps and determining which process is hogging processor band with start killing process one at a time until the fan problem is gone.
[05:55] <TheUsD_> Owncloud issues:   Server replied: Service Temporarily Unavailable.... Can gain access to HTTP but response  is: Failed to connect to database
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> !info xsensors | Whiskey`Wonka
[05:56] <Whiskey`Wonka> jacksonka: wrong, i know what is causing high cpu use, that is NOT the issue!
[05:56] <jacksonka> k
[05:56] <Scrivener> abhi, the easiest way to do this would be to use Kali linux
[05:56] <Scrivener> abhi, if you want them all configured like you would normally
[05:56]  * Dr_Willis has no idea 'which' kali hes refering to..
[05:57] <Scrivener> If you still want to use them but be running Ubuntu primarily, set up Kali Linux in a virtual machine.
[05:57] <Scrivener> VirtualBox is a good choice for this.
[05:57] <Scrivener> In my setup, I run Kali Linux in a virtual machine, and a couple of targets in two other virtual machines.
[05:57] <Whiskey`Wonka> jacksonka: BTW wht is causing high cpu use is ME using the laptop for things (google earth, RF modling, minecraft, etc)
[05:57] <Scrivener> For my lab. Soon I'll just have Kali on a laptop and run targets in VMs on Ubuntu.
[05:58] <Scrivener> abhi, this way, you can still utilize Ubuntu, but you have Kali in another window anytime you need it.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: maybe this can help also: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1686118
[05:58] <Scrivener> abhi, if you need help with setting up a VM in VirtualBox on Ubuntu, I can help you
[05:58] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: yes i have that, yes i can watch the temp rise, doesnt help me turn the fan on
[05:59] <jacksonka> You can modify options in opengl which may reduce cpu bandwidth usage Whiskey Wonka.
[06:00] <Whiskey`Wonka> jacksonka: honestly thats a bandaid and wont help /at all/
[06:00] <jacksonka> k
[06:00] <Whiskey`Wonka> the cpu will overheat just watching flash. the cpu fan is NOT coming on AT ALL.
[06:01] <jacksonka> Oh
[06:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> the only working solution right now is to lock the cpu speed at 800 mhz
[06:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> sorry was that part not clear when i said /cpu fan not working, broken, need to set it speed manualy/
[06:01] <TheUsD_> does anyone know what the command is to restart owncloud service?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: is your bios flash up-to-date?
[06:01] <jacksonka> So you change the multiplier Whiskey Wonka
[06:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: that was the 2nd thing i did. it helped a little but that is subjective
[06:02] <abhi> Sir i have followed the instructions in the link " http://linuxg.net/add-the-needed-repositories-for-kali-linux/ " . But still was unable to see the packages list in synaptic. Please help...
[06:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> jacksonka: no i set the cpu gov to conservitive
[06:02] <TheUsD_> whiskey'wonka: lower multiplier, the MHZ clock, and voltage.
[06:03] <TheUsD_> whiskey'wonka: voltage will greatly help temp.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> abhi: Dr_Willis showed you the kali package trigger
[06:03] <jacksonka> bus band times multiplier is total bandwidth.
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> abhi:  done a sudo apt-get update after adding repos?  and it shows the new repos?
[06:03] <Whiskey`Wonka> TheUsD: No, ill fix the fan or i will dump ubuntu as a viable OS
[06:03] <Whiskey`Wonka> TheUsD: this is PURELY a ubuntu issue
[06:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> namely a 12.10 and newer issue. 12.04 WORKS
[06:04] <jacksonka> Its a combination of chipset and kernel configuration Whiskey Wonka.
[06:04] <TheUsD_> "the only working solution right now is to lock the cpu speed at 800 mhz" comment sounded like you were asking how to lower CPU temp.
[06:04] <abhi> yes i have done sudo apt-get update after adding repos.
[06:05] <jacksonka> Do you know the chipset for your Toshiba 745?
[06:05] <Whiskey`Wonka> TheUsD: no, sorry read the back log. the issue is non working cpu fan
[06:06] <Whiskey`Wonka> jacksonka: which these things have many
[06:06] <TheUsD_> whiskey'wonka: I read that, sorry I took it as a physically broken fan :p
[06:06] <ajnr> Hi , Can any one help me out for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1186605
[06:06] <energizer> My gedit terminal box doesnt have a prompt in it. Help?
[06:07] <TheUsD_> does anyone know what the command is to restart owncloud service?
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> energizer:  so its working just no  foo@bar$  ?
[06:08] <energizer> Dr_Willis: no it doesnt work
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> TheUsD_:  try sudo service ow<tab>  ? the tab compltion may give a clue.
[06:08] <TheUsD_> Dr_Willis: thanks, will try.
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> !info acpi | Whiskey`Wonka
[06:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: yes i have that, what would you like from it
[06:10] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[06:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> hahaha nvm. ALL it shows is Battery 0: Unknown, 100%
[06:11] <Scrivener> Is the #ubuntu channel logged?
[06:11] <Scrivener> If so, I may post a private conversation between abhi and I just for the sake of adding to searchable solutions...?
[06:11] <walltender> ubuntu 12.04, refusing to shutdown, modem manager signal caught shutdown, even though I uninstalled modem manager, it's still there.
[06:12] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: yea, so nothing useful is shown with each option
[06:12] <ajnr> hi my ubuntu 12.04 hangs while shut down , plz help me out to sort the problem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1186605
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: did you read that first forum i pasted, there seems to be a trick to edit grub with 'acpi=linux' or something
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: maybe latest kernel could fix aswell?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: Adding the line acpi_osi="Linux" at boot solved the issue for me. Now running at about 50 C idle. (forum)
[06:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: i think ive tried that grub line (ive tried a few from google)
[06:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> all i want ot do do is turn the fan speed to some arbitry number, why is tht so blasted hard to do??
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> due to some kernel/hardware bug sounds like.
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2536/my-toshibas-fans-do-not-work-automatically
[06:17] <energizer> Dr_Willis: fyi looks like gedit terminal may have been white-text white-background fixed by disabling "use theme colors" in dconfeditor
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> energizer:  someone in here last week had a white on white theme with gnome-terminal also.
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> i always set gnome-termnal to use green on black and ignore themes. ;)
[06:18] <cfenix> hi everyone, fresh installation 12.04 (compiz preinstalled by default) and i can't activate any compiz effects.. (the system is running fine, i have graphics acceleration and i can play Nexuiz)
[06:18] <area51pilot> Classic
[06:19] <area51pilot> Willis :)
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> well night all...
[06:20] <cfenix> and i can make the compiz effects run by "compiz --replace" but that's only effective until i restart the computer
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: i also read there might be troubles, when not having the correct graphics driver, doublecheck your logs aswell
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: source: http://askubuntu.com/questions/294012/laptop-fan-speed-abnormally-high-after-installing-13-04-unity-doesnt-load-afte
[06:23] <Fudge> hi I am watching a review on Vinux based on precise but dont know what the guy is saying or what language it is, is any multi lingual wiling to look, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMqEYdo5wXw
[06:24] <abhi> Why my torrent client " Transmission " downloads so slow as compared to other bittorrent clients like bitcomet in windows7 ? Please help...
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> abhi: torrent speeds are not manipulated by transmission
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> abhi: its all about your torrent sources/peers
[06:25] <cfenix> abhi: did you check the seeds?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> Whiskey`Wonka: http://askubuntu.com/questions/279956/laptop-overheating
[06:27] <cfenix> ok so, my Compiz effects are not working on 12.04 (the system works fine even for 3D gaming)
[06:27] <cfenix> can somebody help me out with that?
[06:28] <abhi> yes i checked the speed. I can download much faster from ftp and others but speed slow in transmission. Any idea ?
[06:28] <ioioioioio> how does one change their keyring password in 13.04 if they dont know it
[06:29] <walltender> ubuntu 12.04, refusing to shutdown, modem manager signal caught shutdown, even though I uninstalled modem manager, it's still there. It's reported as a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/modemmanager/+bug/893248. To me it's not just long time, it halt, never shutdown.
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> abhi: ftp and torrents work different, that has nothing to do with transmission
[06:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> lotuspsychje: are you sugesting that the fan is dirty?
[06:31] <BroUnicorn> I need some Ubuntu server help
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> BroUnicorn: #ubuntu-server
[06:32] <ioioioioio> is it correct to assume deleting login from pasword and keys will let me make a new login keyring password
[06:32] <cfenix> Whiskey`Wonka: i thought this might help, http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=pci+fan+controller&sprefix=PCI+F%2Caps%2C286
[06:33] <Whiskey`Wonka> cfenix: hey you shome me how to install that into a laptop and ill look at it
[06:34] <cfenix> walltender: i'm sorry, got late to the conversation, but i'm pretty sure is a work around to it
[06:35] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok running sensors-detect has changed the output of sensors, last time it did not (have done some kernel updates since then)
[06:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> nope still getting /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[06:36] <cfenix> Whiskey`Wonka: sorry i got late to the conversation, but i'm sure there's a work around to it
[06:36] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[06:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> cfenix: im sure there is too
[06:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> cfenix: id /like/ to just set the cpu fan speed and be done with it till someone figures out whats wrong in the kernel
[06:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> but that looks to be a non option but i have not figured out why
[06:38] <Whiskey`Wonka> WISH i had this issue http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1598380.html
[06:40] <walltender> cfenix: Tried most solutions, not working.
[06:40] <BroUnicorn> I keep getting a "connection refused" response when trying to ssh into my server
[06:41] <aladdin> how to quit an application from the terminal please?
[06:41] <cfenix> walltender: i haven't really dig into the issue since i have a new installation, but i start thinking that it might be an issue with the hardware itself, or the kernel being to new for it
[06:43] <diz_Child> something about visual basic
[06:44] <walltender> cfenix: I wouldn't think so, since it's an old installation for a year, and didn't have any problem until recently. I may or may not update the software. I believe not. I was wondering what system changes may cause the problem?
[06:44] <erpo> My hard drive died and I restored my home directory from a backup. Now my GNOME desktop doesn't look right. The time is showing in 24 hour mode (i.e. 00:43) instead of the 12 hour mode it used to be in (i.e. 12:43am). Also, I don't see any desktop icons.
[06:44] <cfenix> Whiskey`wonka: have you tried downgrading the kernel?
[06:44] <Jordan_U> erpo: How did you make / restore the backup?
[06:45] <erpo> Jordan_U: I had an image of my old hard drive. I mounted it on /mnt and did a cp -a /mnt/home/erpo /home/erpo.
[06:45] <aladdin> how to quit an application from the terminal please?
[06:45] <cfenix> walltender: did you update the system? that's what i'm thinking, maybe a new version of files or kernel
[06:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> cfenix: that leads to other issues and i did not notice it fixing it. Yes running a older release seems to solve it (or i didnt notice it and the other os's just work)
[06:46] <tbharath> I am unable to access my hard disk, I am using ubuntu 13.04  and the error is http://pastie.org/7995408
[06:46] <walltender> cfenix: No. Not update system. Only some packages.
[06:47] <Jordan_U> erpo: How old was the backup?
[06:47] <erpo> tbharath: "Windows is hibernated, refused to mount."
[06:47] <erpo> Jordan_U: A couple of days.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> tbharath: i would try to recover data on partition and reformat it
[06:48] <erpo> tbharath: Oh good lord no, don't do that!
[06:48] <erpo> tbharath: Reboot into windows, and then shut down normally. That should fix it.
[06:48] <tbharath> erpo, any other solution , I shut down windows normally
[06:48] <erpo> tbharath: It says you hibernated windows.
[06:49] <IdleOne> tbharath: it seems that windows didn't shutdown cleanly, boot back in to windows and then shutdown.
[06:51] <tbharath> IdleOne, ok
[06:51] <Jordan_U> erpo: So did you re-install Ubuntu and then copy over the backed up home directory or was your root partition on a drive that didn't fail?
[06:52] <erpo> Jordan_U: I reinstalled Ubuntu on a new hard drive and copied over the backed up home directory.
[06:53] <Jordan_U> erpo: OK. Make sure that your newly installed user has the same UID as the old user did.
[06:53] <erpo> Jordan_U: They're both 1000. We're good.
[06:54] <giuseppe_> how can i set by terminal the program that i want start at startup?
[06:55] <Jordan_U> erpo: I wonder if it's related to some configuration depending on packages not yet installed or similar then, though I wouldn't expect the symptoms you're seeing from that. Why did you re-install at all? Why not just copy over the entire old installation via dd?
[06:56] <wayne7> Do Dell and Hewlett Packard/Compaq edit and customise their bios/cmos chips on the system board so that different operating systems cannot be installed on the computers they sell?
[06:57] <erpo> Jordan_U: The old installation was on a 500GB HDD and the new installation is on a 3TB HDD. Since the standard PC disklabel can't support partitions larger than 2TB, I had to us a GPT disklabel on the new HDD, which meant GRUB had to do some special gymnastics to boot from it. A fresh install of Ubuntu took care of that for me.
[06:57] <erpo> *had to use
[06:58] <erpo> Jordan_U: Maybe we can narrow this down. Any idea where GNOME stores which applications are included in its launcher?
[06:59] <Jordan_U> erpo: Are you using GNOME's launcher (GNOME Shell or fallback), or Unity's launcher?
[07:00] <erpo> Jordan_U: GNOME. I did an apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop, logged out, and logged in using the GNOME session option.
[07:00] <erpo> Jordan_U: Unity works fine, but I still prefer GNOME.
[07:01] <Jordan_U> erpo: Were you logged in when you copied the files over?
[07:02] <erpo> Jordan_U: I was logged in using a Unity session.
[07:02] <Jordan_U> erpo: (Logged into a GNOME session as the same user that was being restored)
[07:02] <erpo> Jordan_U: I was logged in using a Unity session as the same user that was being restored.
[07:02] <Jordan_U> erpo: As Unity is just the shell, that's still a GNOME session.
[07:03] <erpo> Jordan_U: Maybe that's what did it. I'll try creating a second user and using that account to do the restore.
[07:03] <Jordan_U> erpo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2127540 suggests that that can make unexpected things happen.
[07:03] <earc> hi, is there anyway to see if hardware acceleration is active?
[07:05] <erpo> Jordan_U: Thanks for the suggestion! I'm going to test it out now and we'll see what happens.
[07:05] <Jordan_U> erpo: You're welcome.
[07:12] <WeThePeople> where can i get some more screenlets at
[07:13] <joako> How can I enable window titlebars? For E.g. I open Firefox and it is full screen without any titebar or maximise button.
[07:15] <WeThePeople> compiz
[07:19] <Dude100> hey hi. . . . In UBUNTU can any one tell me how to get front jack working to hear music from handfree. . . . ??
[07:20] <Ali3nat0r> Hi, I use gnome panel in 1210 and accidentally added a launcher to the top bar, normally to remove it you right click with alt + windows key, but my keyboard doesn't have a windows key. So is there either a way to bind the winkey to something else or remove launchers without using the winkey?
[07:20] <Dude100> hey hi. . . . In UBUNTU can any one tell me how to get front jack working to hear music from handsfree. . . . ??
[07:21] <WeThePeople> dude100, are you talking about using headphones?
[07:21] <Dude100> yes
[07:21] <WeThePeople> what distro you using
[07:22] <WeThePeople> dude100, what distro?
[07:22] <Dude100> distro??
[07:22] <WeThePeople> what version of linux
[07:22] <IdleOne> WeThePeople: "hey hi. . . . In UBUNTU can "
[07:23] <WeThePeople> 12.04?
[07:23] <WeThePeople> 12.10?
[07:24] <WeThePeople> do a uname -a in terminal
[07:24] <Dude100> wait checking
[07:24] <Dude100> version showing
[07:24] <WeThePeople> dude100, i mean do a lsb_release -a
[07:24] <Dude100> 3.5.0
[07:25] <WeThePeople> dude100, do this lsb_release -a
[07:26] <Dude100> showing
[07:26] <Dude100> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.10 Release:	12.10 Codename:	quantal
[07:28] <Dude100> hey hi. . . . In UBUNTU can any one tell me how to get front jack working to hear music from handsfree. . . . ??
[07:29] <Dude100> hey hi. . . . In UBUNTU can any one tell me how to get front jack working to hear music from handsfree. . . . ??
[07:29] <melow01> I'm trying to use the find command but I need to omit a directory. find -iname foo /media/ -prune
[07:30] <Dude100> hello any one plzz help
[07:30] <Dude100> . . . . ?????
[07:31] <marvx> hello everyone
[07:31] <marvx> i have trouble with my ubuntu....i get no sound in games
[07:31] <marvx> but in system and browser
[07:31] <marvx> any help appreciated
[07:31] <Dude100> anyone help
[07:31] <Dude100> ......???
[07:32] <marvx> im on 13.04
[07:32] <Dude100> hello
[07:32] <Dude100> anyone
[07:32] <Myrtti> !patience
[07:33] <marvx> pls help...i get no sound in games but in browser and flash n system....im on 13.04
[07:33] <Dude100> hey hi. . . . In UBUNTU can any one tell me how to get front jack working to hear music from handsfree. . . . ??
[07:34] <marvx> check your audiio settings
[07:34] <marvx> i needed to edit the alsa-base-conf to get it to work
[07:34] <soulslayer>  hey there guys i successfully installed quake3-arena but there is no sound i attempt the bootmisc init script but obviously its obsolete
[07:34] <soulslayer> i tried the LD_PRELOAD trick which does not wokrs too
[07:34] <soulslayer> can someone provide any guidelines to resolve that sound problem ?
[07:35] <cfenix> Dude100: i think you need to check the cables from your audio card to those ports..
[07:35] <soulslayer> rofl
[07:35] <soulslayer> Dude100, check your sound configuration via the gnome-control-center -> sound
[07:36] <soulslayer> so  . no one here played quake3 ? :D
[07:39] <cfenix> Dude100: there is different types of sound cards.. most of them handle the switch physically (as soon you plug in a cable it interrupts the other output signal for example)
[07:40] <cfenix> soulslayer: i did, but a long time ago, and it worked out of the box xD
[07:41] <soulslayer> yeah when /dev/dsp was available
[07:44] <nrdb> I have a mdadm setup to email me.   I just noticed that a 'rebuild' happened, but I didn't get an email telling me something was up... I ran an 'mdadm --monitor --scan --test' and that did send the emails...  I noticed that mdadm has been started with the '--syslog' option, will this stop emails?
[07:45] <cfenix> soulslayer: you should try OpenArena, it uses the same packages from QuakeIII
[07:47] <cfenix> soulslayer: a good alternative would be Nexuiz whish  reminds me of Unreal Tournament golden edition (old version)
[07:47] <Dude100> hello i m learner of ubuntu
[07:47] <doctor_dennis> welcome to IRC
[07:47] <Dude100> how to do well in this n grasp???
[07:47] <soulslayer> blah
[07:47] <soulslayer> :D
[07:47] <doctor_dennis> What's that?
[07:47] <soulslayer> i want to play with some windoze friends
[07:48] <doctor_dennis> ^^^
[07:48] <soulslayer> have unstopbale desire to left them with negative result
[07:48] <doctor_dennis> Get that out of here
[07:48] <doctor_dennis> no windoze snoozers here
[07:49] <cfenix> hahahaha... i think he meant that he wanna kick some windows users ass
[07:49] <Dude100> yep
[07:49] <soulslayer> okay i found some solution ... with the padsp script
[07:49] <soulslayer> but it cand load the pulsedsp so lib
[07:49] <soulslayer> ...
[07:50] <Dude100> help
[07:50] <Dude100> me
[07:51] <soulslayer> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsedsp.so'
[07:51] <soulslayer> ?
[07:51] <soulslayer> any ideas around this one ?
[07:57] <moi__> sudo apt-get instal (paket)
[07:57] <soulslayer> ...
[07:57] <soulslayer> ?
[07:58] <johnny1950> list
[07:59] <moi__> chad up
[08:07] <ajnr> hi my ubuntu 12.04 hangs while shut down , plz help me out to sort the problem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1186605
[08:09] <iceroot> ajnr: what is the timestap to look at your syslog?
[08:10] <ajnr> iceroot, I dint get you sir
[08:10] <lapion> can anyone tell me where I can find archived repositories ?
[08:10] <ajnr> iceroot, I was trying last 24 hrs
[08:11] <iceroot> !eol | lapion (somehwere is the eol upgrade link)
[08:11] <iceroot> lapion: deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse
[08:12] <lapion> thanks iceroot
[08:13] <aladdin> plz need help. i did wget .deb
[08:13] <aladdin> now, how to install it please?
[08:13] <iceroot> ajnr: which deb?
[08:13] <iceroot> ajnr: sorry wrong nick
[08:13] <llutz> aladdin: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:13] <iceroot> aladdin: which deb? is it not in the repros?
[08:14] <aladdin> iceroot: don't think so, it virtual box
[08:14] <ajnr> iceroot, ubuntu 12.04
[08:14] <aladdin> it is
[08:14] <iceroot> aladdin: virtualbox is in the repos
[08:14] <aladdin> llutz: is that what i type?
[08:14] <iceroot>      4.2.10-dfsg-0ubuntu2 0
[08:14] <iceroot>         500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring/multiverse amd64 Packages
[08:15] <lucas-arg> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[08:15] <aladdin> iceroot: hmm, by repos you mean i can install it without downloading
[08:15] <llutz> aladdin: sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[08:15] <aladdin> ?
[08:15] <iceroot> aladdin: apt-get will download it for you. you should always use software from the repos when it is in there
[08:15] <iceroot> !repo | aladdin
[08:16] <iceroot> aladdin: you can also use the software center to install it
[08:16] <aladdin> 12.02.4 lts is my ubuntu
[08:16] <iceroot> aladdin: by using the repos you will get security updates and you can be sure that the software is designed for your ubuntu version with all the dependencies
[08:16] <iceroot> !info virtualbox precise
[08:16] <iceroot> !info virtualbox-ose precise
[08:17] <iceroot> aladdin: sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[08:17] <aladdin> iceroot: could not locate
[08:17] <iceroot> aladdin: sudo apt-get update
[08:17] <aladdin> ok
[08:17] <aladdin> done
[08:17] <aladdin> sorry, did a space inbetween which is unnecessary
[08:18] <lucas-arg> aladdin,
[08:18] <iceroot> is there a way to list the dependencies with ubottu?
[08:19] <Seveas> iceroot: nope.
[08:19] <Seveas> but you can use apt-cache in your terminal: apt-cache depends package_goes_here
[08:19] <iceroot> Seveas: i want it for another ubuntu release :)
[08:19] <aladdin> thank you. but how to install the downloaded file from the terminal e.g.?
[08:20] <iceroot> Seveas: so i guess packages.ubuntu.com is what i want
[08:20] <Seveas> iceroot: yeah
[08:20] <iceroot> aladdin: 1. dont install that deb, 2. sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[08:20] <iceroot> aladdin: vbox does have an own repository for ubuntu
[08:21] <aladdin> ok, 1. i did not. 2. cool, this is what i wanted, awesome
[08:22] <ceephax> hello, i have a newbie question and am struggling to find the answer on google.  I have a headless server which i just installed a program on as 'root' and am trying to access that program under my other user but cannot? what do i need to do to make that program available to all users?
[08:23] <absoloot5y> what server is it?
[08:32] <aladdin> what is name of the offtopic ubuntu chat?
[08:32] <funnyboy243> I'll come back to that later.
[08:32] <aladdin> channel
[08:32] <funnyboy243> Wow, I never heard anyone say anything like that before! And I thought Mindy talked different! Wow :O .
[08:34] <histo> aladdin: /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:35] <funnyboy243> Do you have to take a big shit right now?
[08:35] <histo> !language | funnyboy243
[08:35] <aladdin> histo: thanks
[08:35] <funnyboy243> Can you speak any foreign languages? Like Crapanese.
[08:35] <histo> funnyboy243: do you have a ubuntu based question?
[08:35] <funnyboy243> Did you know that my brain was sucked up by Mindy's ass for several months?! Luckily, my good friend got my brain back or otherwise I'd still be crapping in teh torletz at a random school bathroom.
[08:36] <histo> !ops | funnyboy243
[08:36] <funnyboy243> Is that from Pentium44 gt tcc error undefined symbol libc csu init?
[08:36] <walltender>  It's such a pain in the ass that I am not able to shutdown my laptop. Where could I look for the causes? There's no shutdown log.
[08:36] <funnyboy243> You're kidding. it is? What are you talking about?! You can't download a person! Has there ever been shutdown log?
[08:37] <histo> walltender: what happens when you try and shutdown?
[08:37] <funnyboy243> That's what she said! :P .
[08:37] <basiclaser> hey guys, I ran the Tor browser bundle, vidalia boots up and connects successfully, but then i get no patched firefox window popping up. How can I get the browser to appear?
[08:37] <funnyboy243> You've got my full attention. How far up? Why do you want it?
[08:38] <elky> funnyboy243, do you intend on sounding like a person rather than a bot at some point?
[08:38] <funnyboy243> Can you speak any foreign languages? Like Crapanese.
[08:38] <minimec> walltender: Why shouldn't you be able to do so?
[08:38] <funnyboy243> We should talk more about tomw1 and by will not work me mean!
[08:39] <Seveas> basiclaser: why don't you ask in #tor? :)
[08:39] <walltender> histo: Before it says modem-manager caught signal shutdown. Then I uninstalled that model-manager. Now it only halts with my_username login: cursor, halts there forever.
[08:39] <histo> walltender: have you taken a look at /var/log/messages ???
[08:39] <Seveas> walltender: 'caught signal shutdown' doesn't mean it prevented the shutdown :)
[08:39] <funnyboy240> :-) Do you have any conditions I should know about? Like Ass Burgers?
[08:39] <Seveas> walltender: looks like there's an acpi bug
[08:39] <funnyboy240> When is walltender looks like there not an acpi bug?
[08:39] <Seveas> elky: he's back.
[08:40] <funnyboy240> Are they exactly the same?
[08:40] <minimec> walltender: Could you once try to shutdown the system with a terminal commadn? 'sudo shutdown -h now' ...
[08:40] <funnyboy240> Do you still use gcc in debian? Right now? Can you speak any foreign languages? Like Crapanese.
[08:40] <Seveas> walltender: try a newer version of Ubuntu
[08:40] <funnyboy240> Tell me more.
[08:40] <histo> !ops > funnyboy240
[08:40] <funnyboy240> That is a very original thought.
[08:40] <Seveas> !ops | get rid of this fucker please.
[08:40] <minimec> ops! funnyboy240
[08:40] <walltender> histo:  /var/log/messages doesn't exit.
[08:40] <funnyboy240> Your polite style is very nice. I will mention that to Mindy.
[08:40] <histo> !language | Seveas
[08:41] <funnyboy240> Have you ever been to Europe?
[08:41] <elky> oh joy.
[08:41] <funnyboy240> Yikes! We have never talked about it before.
[08:41] <histo> walltender: It should exist double check again in /var/log
[08:41] <funnyboy240> When do you think Mindy's Ass will take over the world?
[08:41] <walltender> mindstorm: Tried sudo shutdown -h now before, it halts, but I could try it in a moment again.
[08:41] <funnyboy240> Once more? By the way, do you mind if I ask you a personal question?
[08:42] <Seveas> elky: do you plan to do anything about this?
[08:42] <funnyboy240> Have you ever been to Europe?
[08:42] <elky> yes, but he decided to send me photos which messed with my focus
[08:42] <Seveas> heh, anything good? :)
[08:43] <histo> elky: it was a 94MB photo
[08:43] <elky> histo, yes, many times.
[08:43] <Seveas> walltender: I've had this happen on some ubuntu releases. Try a newer Ubuntu version.
[08:43] <histo> elky: was it an actual picture?  wth is 94mb?
[08:44] <elky> i'm not stupid enough to find out
[08:44] <histo> lol
[08:44] <walltender> hipitihop: messages doesn't exit under /var/log, many log files doesn't exist under /var/log as specified https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles
[08:44] <walltender> Seveas: Nice solution, sounds just like buy a new laptop solution.
[08:44] <Seveas> walltender: in recent versions of Ubuntu all is logged to /var/log/syslog
[08:45] <Seveas> walltender: buy a new laptop costs money. Upgrade ubuntu doesn't and means using a more recent kernel, which is less likely to contain this acpi bug.
[08:45] <Seveas> on my optiplex 780 12.04 wouldn't shutdown, 12.10 and 13.04 do.
[08:46] <histo> Seveas: I would investigate power management issues
[08:46] <Seveas> histo: I wouldn't start investigating before upgrading. Good chance that someone else already investigated and fixed the issue :)
[08:49] <walltender> Seveas: It's not a new installation of ubuntu, I used it for a year. I suspect that it might be caused by I disable some module in "sudo bum" or through another application which I don't remeber.
[08:50] <Seveas> walltender: ah, then why didn't you say that at first?
[08:52] <walltender> Seveas: I just recalled when I surfed the net.
[08:52] <histo> elky: oh boy now he's in #debian
[08:53] <elky> histo, staff are allegedly looking into it
[08:53] <llutz> mission accomplished! troll got attention
[08:54] <elky> yep
[08:55] <Seveas> walltender: then try recalling what you did and undo it :-)
[08:56] <walltender> Seveas: Very funny. Is there a system log for that?
[08:57] <histo> walltender: have you looked at your .bash_history
[08:57] <llutz> "history | less"
[08:58] <walltender> histo: I did through bum and another software which I am looking for. Not through command.
[08:58] <kimir_> I cannot start software center on ubuntu 13.04. Here is termintal output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5725457/
[08:59] <MonkeyDust> kimir_  try gksudo software-center
[08:59] <Seveas> MonkeyDust: that shouldn't be needed, software-center runs fine as ordinary user
[09:00] <histo> kimir_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get ugprade
[09:00] <Seveas> walltender: no, there's no log that logs absolutely everything you do.
[09:00] <kimir_> MonkeyDust: Same thing happens
[09:00] <RusVicio_> впа
[09:01] <MonkeyDust> kimir_  sudo apt-get -f install, maybe
[09:01] <kimir_> histo: Upgrades gedit and metacity :D
[09:02] <MonkeyDust> kimir_  what's the output of cat /etc/issue ?
[09:02] <kimir_> MonkeyDust: still crashes
[09:02] <kimir_> MonkeyDust: Ubuntu 13.04 \n \l
[09:03] <MonkeyDust> kimir_  my guess: some local server has issues, so try a different server
[09:03] <kimir_> MonkeyDust: What do you mean
[09:10] <histo> kimir_: what package do you need to install?
[09:11] <histo> kimir_: and did you enable any 3rd party repositories?
[09:11] <kimir_> histo: I don't need to install any package. I just noticed it when I opened latest virtualbox .deb . I ended up installing it manually with dpkg :/ But thought issue could be annoying in future
[09:12] <kimir_> histo: Does this include ppas? I use gnome, 0ad, wine and bumblebee
[09:13] <libpenguin> is ubuntu 13.04 stable ?? or should i stay with ubuntu 12.10 for the time being ?
[09:14] <nugroho> ubuntu linux release every month refreshed frequently
[09:14] <histo> kimir_: Yeah I would try disabling your ppas
[09:14] <histo> nugroho: no
[09:14] <histo> !releases > nugroho
[09:15] <Seveas> libpenguin: 13.04 is fine
[09:15] <kimir_> histo: Wouldn't that break my gnome shell?
[09:15] <kevinusher> i hav acces to webpage google and other but I am unable to download packages please sous ubuntu giv me a solution
[09:15] <MonkeyDust> kevinusher  what ubuntu version and what happens when you try?
[09:16] <walltender> Will some one take a look at this, I seem to have disable some of the modules which now prevents me to shut down my machine: http://postimg.org/gallery/2miz1zpe/dfe5c337/
[09:16] <histo> kimir_: no not if you are done installing software from said repos
[09:16] <nugroho> linux kernel in ubuntu like other fedora or linux same version but maybe stable
[09:17] <kevinusher> Monkey dust:11.10
[09:17] <histo> nugroho: what?
[09:17] <Seveas> walltender: do you have any idea what you're doing? Why the hell are you disabling system services?
[09:17] <histo> !lts | nugroho
[09:17] <MonkeyDust> kevinusher  you can't download, because 11.10 is !eol, dead
[09:17] <MonkeyDust> !eolupgrades | kevinusher
[09:17] <histo> !eol | kevinusher
[09:17] <Seveas> walltender: also, mint support in #linuxmint, mint is not Ubuntu.
[09:18] <kevinusher> ok
[09:18] <nugroho> well when linux kernel start up the version string show stability of ubuntu the protocol to other linux
[09:19] <MonkeyDust> nugroho  what is your own language?
[09:19] <walltender> Seveas: Ubuntu is the parent? I believer there's guru here.
[09:19] <nugroho> this is from semarang indonesia but i also install ubuntu
[09:19] <MonkeyDust> !id
[09:20] <nugroho> ussually my solaris also new with ubuntu
[09:20] <histo> walltender: /j #linuxmint
[09:21] <Seveas> walltender: yes, and the gurus in here support Ubuntu, not mint.
[09:21] <nugroho> in wireless like wifi or bluetooth ubuntu very smooth solaris still work with console
[09:22] <walltender> histo: I have mint channel opened too.
[09:22] <solancer> how can I write to a file and escape the system variables?
[09:22] <nugroho> when ubuntu start up linux kernel access the hardware system but gsm card with hsdpa or lte or in sum like lts detected in recent release
[09:22] <histo> walltender: Okay your question has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[09:22] <solancer> for instance I want to echo "PATH=$HOME/.jruby/bin" >> .bashrc
[09:22] <histo> solancer: what?
[09:23] <histo> solancer: remove the quotes
[09:23] <histo> solancer: or possibly with \
[09:23] <Seveas> solancer: use single quotes instead of double, that way $HOME doesn't get interpolated
[09:23] <nugroho> kernel linux ussually in english language but in desktop i prefer francaise but launching application translate with lancer
[09:24] <solancer> histo, nope tried both din't work
[09:24] <MonkeyDust> nugroho  it's very hard to read what you write
[09:24] <solancer> Seveas, that din't work either
[09:24] <Seveas> nugroho: english is clearly not your native language, perhaps visiting a channel using your native language will get you help faster. As is, I find it rather difficult to understand what you say.
[09:24] <histo> !fr | nugroho
[09:25] <nugroho> ubuntu access to drive or local disk ussually by reading the block sector of the disk but kernel linux not knew about this
[09:26] <libpenguin> Seveas: which is better - updated old os like 12.04 or 12.10 up to date or latest os release like 13.04 ? and what to go for - latest release like 13.04 or its lateset daily build on the day of downloading the os ?
[09:26] <flux242> solancer: escape $. Like echo \$PATH
[09:26]  * Vai morning all =)
[09:26] <nugroho> my native language is indonesian but knew a little english ussally read linux kernel message but write with vi
[09:26] <Seveas> libpenguin: I would go for 13.04, not daily dev builds
[09:27] <libpenguin> Seveas: why ? and what about updated old os or latest release ?
[09:27] <Seveas> because newer releases fix bugs :)
[09:27] <nugroho> ubuntu linux with old version of minix is very long ago but linux kernel not knew much with minix
[09:28] <MonkeyDust> libpenguin  12.04 if you want long support, 13.04 if you want the latest stuff
[09:28] <Seveas> nugroho: this is a support channel. Do you have an Ubuntu problem you need help with?
[09:28] <cyphase> how can i scan my root filesystem, specifically /etc, for all files and changes that weren't put there by a package? i.e. all changes made by me or a configuration program
[09:29] <MonkeyDust> cyphase  btrfs can do that with snapshots, not sure how to do it with ext4
[09:30] <Crosant> hi could somebody have a look into this problem? http://askubuntu.com/questions/236209/installing-12-10-installer-doesnt-see-harddrive
[09:30] <libpenguin> MonkeyDust hmm...but long support also means fixed bugs and lateset stuff being integrated via updates
[09:30] <nugroho> well ubuntu linux also work and distribute with android phone maybe released from google corporation
[09:30] <MonkeyDust> libpenguin  decide what you prefer!
[09:31] <libpenguin> MonkeyDust: i am not an expert...you suggest and tell what you think as better
[09:31] <histo> !touch | nugroho
[09:31] <cyphase> MonkeyDust, there's no tool that can do it by looking at which packages put which files where and comparing the file in the package with the file in /etc?
[09:32] <histo> cyphase: you could hash the files and compare them to the originals provided by the packages
[09:32] <cyphase> histo, i know. is there already a tool that does that?
[09:32] <llutz> cyphase: debsums
[09:33] <flux242> cyphase: by sorting by date I suppose. But this is exactly what I'm currently trying to figure out. What if I use some sort of a overlayfs and mount rootfs as readonly
[09:33] <nugroho> information in ubuntu linux is good with gui interface not in console but will meet linux kernel again
[09:33] <Aktiff> Hi i have one cuestion  i install office on wine and works well but i dont know how to put a shortcut on unity bar can anybody hep me?
[09:34] <histo> Aktiff: create a office.desktop that launches wine ~/.wine/drive_c/path/to/office.exe
[09:34] <llutz> cyphase: but event that won't do what you need, because some of the files in /etc were created using post-/preinst scripts and not listed with md5-sums in package information
[09:34] <histo> Aktiff: try in #wine-hq
[09:34] <Aktiff> oh ok i go here   and check this thank you
[09:35] <flux242> so just after the clean install I switch to an overlayfs and every single change in the rootfs will be stored in overlay
[09:35] <nugroho> ubuntu multimedia like xine or madplayer or mpg123 able to launch multimedia file
[09:36] <flux242> ok, maybe only /etc should go to the overlayfs
[09:36] <nugroho> fedora or redhat unable to play multimedia file but ubuntu while download application mpg123 or madplayer sound very good
[09:37] <MonkeyDust> cyphase  not that i know of
[09:37] <Aktiff> histo  i  dont know how to make a .desktop
[09:37] <Aktiff> and on wine hq no are anybody
[09:37] <ioioioioio> Hi, I deleted the login keyring in 13.04 because I could not get it to accept my pw as I had to go through some legth to change my root pw after forgetting it -- what are the consequences of doing this? (it seems to have solved the problem of the neverending pop up window)
[09:37] <cyphase> llutz, thanks, debsums -es does what i want, though of course you're right that not all files in /etc are straight from the .deb, or even in the .deb at all
[09:38] <Aktiff> i read one tuto but i am a litle newon ubuntu  and dont know if thatsteps are safe
[09:38] <Aktiff> http://ubuntu-install.blogspot.mx/2011/05/add-wine-programs-to-unity-launcher.html
[09:38] <ioioioioio> the keyring just stores locally encrypted saved passwords, right?
[09:38] <cyphase> now to get the list of all those files..
[09:39] <histo> Aktiff: http://askubuntu.com/questions/137151/how-does-one-create-a-custom-application-launcher-for-wine-installed-apps/193076#193076
[09:39] <leohak223> Ola
[09:40] <cyphase> is there a way to get all the files (in a subdirectory) that are provided by a deb package (or at least, their path is a path in a deb package)?
[09:40] <ubuntu_newbie> hi all.  can anyone help with ubuntu usb install?
[09:40] <cfhowlett> ubuntu_newbie, sure ... details
[09:40] <ubuntu_newbie> i am having problems with persistence
[09:40] <cfhowlett> !usb|ubuntu_newbie,
[09:40] <jrib> cyphase: sure, use apt-file.  But why do you want this?
[09:41] <cfhowlett> ubuntu_newbie, see the link for persistence
[09:41] <jrib> cyphase: (or dpkg -S if the package is installed)
[09:41] <ubuntu_newbie> i want to run from the usb stick,but be able to retain settings on next use
[09:41] <cfhowlett> ubuntu_newbie, exactly.  read the link ... full tutorial
[09:41] <nugroho> ubuntu linux maybe england but no sound hardware device in linux kernel but mpg123 is work alternative is madplayer
[09:42] <histo> ubuntu_newbie: yeah the persistence link will explain how to do it.
[09:42] <ubuntu_newbie> ok, i will check this, but i think i have already looked at this one
[09:44] <nugroho> well ubuntu kernel when to be seen in console the version string ussually still under four play the fantastic four movie
[09:47] <ashfallen0> o7
[09:49] <ashfallen0> I'm having an issue where an external WD Mybook 2tb is mounted on reboot when plugged into usb 2.0 socket, but not when plugged into a NEC pcie usb 3.0 socket
[09:49] <ashfallen0> google-fu is weak on this subject
[09:49] <ashfallen0> I should say that a usb 3.0 docking station on the same card gets mounted properly.
[09:50] <nugroho> ubuntu linux in england but percentage in other like fedora or redhat maybe still big
[09:51] <nugroho> SOC155694
[09:51] <nugroho> YMH297433
[09:51] <MonkeyDust> nugroho  please keep the channel clear for ubuntu support questions
[09:51] <nugroho> WHA420355
[09:52] <cfhowlett> nugroho, not sure what you're doing, but it's not ubuntu support.  stop please
[09:52] <cyphase> jrib, i want to find all changes made to config files compared to the default file provided by the package the file belongs to. if it doesn't belong to any package, i want to know that too, so at least i know which files i need to be aware of
[09:53] <nugroho> in james bond movie ubuntu linux with processor speed above a thousand
[09:54] <cfhowlett> !ot|nugroho,   please continue this discussion in the off-topic channel
[09:55] <flux242> nugroho it's a bot, ban it
[09:55] <nugroho> ubuntu linux size now around dvd disc not a bot but ok to be called with it
[09:56] <cfhowlett> nugroho is a smart bot???
[09:56] <energizer> I would like to dowload and read from Google Play Books.  Im thinking there might be a script out there that just screencaptures each page in the book. Thoughts?
[09:58] <nugroho> ubuntu linux irc or networking modul need ethernet or smart card but gsm link or hsdpa link later explained
[09:58] <mike> hi
[09:58] <MonkeyDust> nugroho  me tarzan you jane
[09:58] <somsip> !ops | nugroho is probably a markov-chain bot
[09:58] <cfhowlett> mike, greetins
[09:58] <cfhowlett> greetings
[09:58] <Guest72185> /dev/mixer not found
[09:59] <Guest72185> had problems with internal mic and messed up the whole sound system:(
[09:59] <koramati> Dear All
[10:00] <koramati> i had a great problem , i am unable to install any thing .
[10:00] <cfhowlett> !details|koramati,
[10:01] <joeytwid1le_> Can I use the network applet from a window manager which isn't Unity?  Or is there some other panel docking applet I should use?
[10:01] <Guest72185> how to reinitialize /dev/mixer?
[10:02] <koramati> i am in ubuntu 13.04 and trying to install mutt and some other packages like unity .But see ing some error like
[10:02] <koramati> Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[10:02] <minimec> koramati: Can you do 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal?
[10:02] <koramati> i am sure my machine is fully updated and upgradeed
[10:03] <koramati> Minimec:sure let me try again
[10:04] <cfhowlett> koramati, yeh, seen it myself.  most recently, the package had expired pgp keys or something, so wasn't updated...
[10:04] <jman074> so i did an update last night and now in my terminal it has ~$ after my directory how do i fix this
[10:04] <bekks> jman074: Change to another directory, rather than your home directory.
[10:05] <jman074> im so confused bekks that is the directory ive always used and now it has that and all my files are gone :(
[10:05] <joeytwid1le_> Guest72185: you might try service pulseaudio restart
[10:06] <jman074> it won't let me do a $ pcsc_scan
[10:06] <koramati> cfhowlett ,minime :just i completed update and upgrade.but still seeing same messagwe
[10:06] <joeytwid1le_> mmm i will try nm-applet later then
[10:06] <koramati> i feel some thing wrong my update settings or something
[10:06] <snadge> is there a discussion or faq as to why ubuntu doesn't include NFS by default?
[10:07] <cfhowlett> koramati, did you localize your sources?  i.e. change them from ubuntu central mirrors?
[10:07] <koramati> could you please suggest me
[10:07] <minimec> koramati: What you can try is to delete all the repository lists and refetch them with sudo apt-get update... The command would be 'sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf'
[10:07] <snadge> i can understand that its not a commonly utilised feature on the majority of desktop systems.. but it can't be for size reasons, there must be some other consideration that i'm missing
[10:08] <koramati> minimec: sure i will do now
[10:08] <snadge> my googlefu only seems to return documents on how to set up nfs on ubuntu
[10:09] <koramati> minimec :the cmd is not succeed , no such files or directory
[10:10] <energizer> I'm looking for a function that will send a keystroke to my browser. I know that xsendkeys exists, but i cant find it.
[10:11] <minimec> koramati: Can you check that again? I don't believe that... ;)
[10:12] <koramati> ok
[10:12] <Mori__> Can Unity and Gnome start at the same time?
[10:12] <Mori__> my screen seams like that!!!
[10:18] <cipher> kumar
[10:19] <Guest53468> Hey guys is there any software to test neural network models
[10:21] <koramati> minimec : same message .
[10:22] <cac> HEJ
[10:23] <cac> jest tu ktos ?
[10:25] <minimec> koramati: The reason why I am sceptical is, that with each 'sudo apt-get update' you are updating these lists. If the /var/lib/apt/lists is empty, you do have a problem. Can you once 'ls /var/lib/apt/lists' or open it with the GUI file manager. You should also have an additional folder in there...
[10:31] <koramati> minimec:i can see one folder (partial)
[10:33] <minimec> koramati: Ok. That is good. Now 'sudo apt-get update' once. The the lists folder should be populated with files like 'security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-security_restricted_i18n_Index' or so.
[10:36] <aladdin> need help on xchat irc usage please. What is the name of the channel or how to search for that channel (I tried /list channelName which does not filter alphabetically and joined few channels which are empty)
[10:36] <Ben64> !alis | aladdin
[10:39] <x-s4nd3r> Everybody shut the fuck for a minute
[10:39] <x-s4nd3r> I'm x-s4nd3r.
[10:39] <x-s4nd3r> I have hacked picasa.google.com, microsoft.com, linux.com..etc
[10:39] <gordonjcp> !ops | x-s4nd3r
[10:40] <x-s4nd3r> gordonjcp, today is a fine day.
[10:40] <deletet> hy any one can help my whit this 00e0d80994c2 i need translate to ip but nothing
[10:40] <x-s4nd3r> deletet, i'm a hacker.
[10:40] <x-s4nd3r> a very supernatural hacker.
[10:40] <gordonjcp> deletet: that's got too many digits for an IP address, looks more like a MAC address
[10:40] <koramati> minimec :i am unable to see that
[10:40] <gordonjcp> elky: ty
[10:41] <deletet> gordonjcp i know is a mac adrees but i need to convert to ip
[10:41] <gordonjcp> deletet: okay, what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:41] <Guest24154> Hi all i'm looking to install a distro of linux to my pc, i'm tossing up between Linuxmint and Ubuntu, I'll be looking to play games and am strongly dependant on using my network file storage for all my media.  Can anyone suggest either out of the two?
[10:41] <Ben64> deletet: you can't convert mac to ip
[10:41] <gordonjcp> Guest24154: they're both pretty much the same
[10:42] <gordonjcp> deletet: is this a device that's already on the network?
[10:42] <Ben64> Guest24154: mint is not supported here
[10:42] <Guest24154> so i can depend on ubuntu respositories while on mint?, gordonjcp ??
[10:42] <Guest24154> i understand :)
[10:42] <gordonjcp> Guest24154: no
[10:42] <minimec> koramati: So you say after 'sudo apt-get update' the /var/lib/apt/lists folder is empty, with only the partial folder in it. Can you chekc waht's in that partial folder?
[10:42] <deletet> gordonjcp no is my ups  and i need to configure but i dont know the ip adrees
[10:43] <gordonjcp> deletet: well, you can't directly find the IP address like that
[10:43] <gordonjcp> deletet: do you know if it's using DHCP?
[10:43] <deletet> i know theat 00e0d8  is 172.17
[10:43] <koramati> minimec:lists folder have some content but i did find that which you asked me to see
[10:43] <gordonjcp> deletet: the MAC address doesn't directly map to an IP address
[10:43] <Ben64> deletet: uh, thats not how mac addresses work
[10:43] <deletet> but the rest i try from hecadecimal to decimal but seems theat is not the ip theat i need
[10:44] <minimec> koramati: Or simply try to empty that partial folder once too with 'sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ * -vf' and do 'sudo apt-get update again'
[10:44] <gordonjcp> deletet: do you own a car?  You know how the VIN plate is stamped onto the bodywork but the number plate just screws on?
[10:44] <koramati> inux.dropbox.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_Release.gpg.reverify
[10:45] <koramati> this is available in partial folder
[10:45] <gordonjcp> deletet: the MAC address is like the VIN plate for the machine, the IP address is like its registration number
[10:45] <ioioioioio> Hi, I deleted the login keyring in 13.04 because I could not get it to accept my pw as I had to go through some legth to change my root pw after forgetting it -- what are the consequences of doing this? (it seems to have solved the problem of the neverending pop up window)
[10:47] <gordonjcp> deletet: if you check the manual for your UPS it'll tell you what the default settings are
[10:48] <deletet> gordonjcp the def are 00e0d8=172.17 and 0994c2 is the rest of the ip theat i cant find
[10:48] <koramati> minimec: i deleted the contenet from partial folder and given update
[10:49] <gordonjcp> deletet: no, the MAC address does *not* contain the IP address
[10:49] <koramati> now nothing is available under partila
[10:49] <gordonjcp> deletet: you can't take the MAC address and work out what the IP address is like that
[10:49] <glosoli> If I have Ubuntu laptop which  has it's data encryped, and login is protected by password, is there really any way to make sure that whoever takes that computer would not be able to crack be password and gain access to the data inside it ?
[10:49] <starkiller> hello
[10:49] <minimec> koramati: Ok. Again I hope you get some file in the 'lists' folder now. Otherwise we will change the repo server you are using.
[10:50] <Ben64> deletet: you might be able to find it using nmap
[10:50] <koramati> how i can change the repo server
[10:50] <gordonjcp> deletet: the easiest thing would be to check the manual for the UPS, reset it to its factory defaults, and go from there
[10:50] <Jordan_U> glosoli: Use a secure passphrase.
[10:50] <minimec> koramati: So you 'lists' folder is still empty?
[10:51] <koramati> minimec: list folder have some contenet
[10:51] <glosoli> Jordan_U: and unless they know that passphrase they will not be able to gain access to data even by taking hdd out of the computer and connecting it somewhere else ?
[10:52] <MonkeyDust> glosoli  that's the purpose of encryption, yes
[10:52] <minimec> koramati: That is good! So it loaded the new lists. Try sudo apt-get upgrade. See if there are some new packages.
[10:52] <Jordan_U> glosoli: Correct.
[10:52] <glosoli> Thanks for the answer
[10:52] <Fuzzles> id i have amds grphics driver from their site when my kernal gets updated will the graphics crash?
[10:52] <Ben64> Fuzzles: possible
[10:52] <Fuzzles> Ben64, how would i stop this?
[10:53] <Ben64> to have installed it from the software center
[10:53] <koramati> minimec:ok
[10:53] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  install it from the repos, not from the website
[10:53] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, how do i do that?
[10:54] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  with apt-get install or the software center
[10:54] <koramati> minimec:no new packages
[10:54] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, so how would i install the one from their site through software centre?
[10:55] <Ben64> Fuzzles: its not the one from their site
[10:55] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  you don't, the one from the website does not work on your pc
[10:55] <minimec> koramati: Can you install some packages now, like 'sudo apt-get install rar' (rar is small compression software)
[10:55] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, it does im using it its the only driver i could find to work with steam
[10:55] <Anil-Bafila> xv
[10:55] <Anil-Bafila> dscdscvsd
[10:55] <Anil-Bafila> sd
[10:55] <Anil-Bafila> sd
[10:55] <FloodBot1> Anil-Bafila: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:56] <marianne> Good morning! Can anyone recommend a good ebook reader?
[10:56] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  meybe the one from the repos does
[10:56] <MonkeyDust> maybe*
[10:56] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, how would i get the repos for that one?
[10:57] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  use either the one from the website, or the one from the repos, decide which you want
[10:57] <cfhowlett> marianne, claibre
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> !info calibre | marianne
[10:58] <koramati> minimec:same message
[10:58] <marianne> ubottu: can I bring over my nook books to it?
[10:58] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, yeesh.  thanks.  I didn't even notice my typo.
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> marianne: for pdf magazines you can use mupdf, very lightweight
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: np mate, i didnt came on packagename myself until you named it :p
[10:59] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, i am using the one from their site atm but i want the repo one so it dont crash on updating kernel and see if it works with steam
[11:00] <MonkWitDaFunk> What is steam users?
[11:00] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  then delete the one you don't want and install the one from the repos
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> marianne: you mean import your ebook list?
[11:00] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[11:00] <minimec> koramati: Ok. It looks like not all the packages list are loaded correctly.
[11:00] <marianne> lotuspsychje: thanks. I see I have calbre installed already, guess i just need to figure out how to move my books over
[11:00] <ioioioioio> Hi, I deleted the login keyring in 13.04 because I could not get it to accept my pw as I had to go through some legth to change my root pw after forgetting it -- what are the consequences of doing this? (it seems to have solved the problem of the neverending pop up window)
[11:00] <cfhowlett> !steam|MonkWitDaFunk,
[11:00] <Aaiiit> Hi, all.  Been using Ubunut for a couple of months now.  One thing that bothers and I don't seem to be able to fix myself.   The audiolevel is not the same across applications.    Rhythmbox (my audioplayer)  does not follow my system settings audio level.   Anyone knows how to fix that?
[11:00] <Fuzzles> monkey when you say repos is that under additional drivers?
[11:01] <marianne> lotuspsychje: yes, I have a few that are must have's on the beautiful new monitor
[11:01] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  not sure
[11:01] <marianne> lotuspsychje: I guess i can still read them online
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> marianne: if you make a new folder in nautilus and bigger the size of the ebooks, its pretty neat to open
[11:01] <minimec> koramati: Let's create a new repository list. First we backup the old list: 'sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup'
[11:02] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, what drivers do you mean from repo then?
[11:02] <minimec> koramati: Now we create a new sources.list with this http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> marianne: bigger the icon size of the .pub and .pdf files
[11:04] <marianne> lotuspsychje: I guess I'm just a bit lost on how to pull the files over. Right now I have the nook reader on my iMac and it's crap... opens sometimes, sometimes not
[11:04] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  what was your initial question?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> marianne: just import your ebook collection on usb stick, then copy them all to nautilus they will be ready to open with calibre
[11:06] <cfhowlett> marianne, be aware that amazon's cloud reader works perfectly on linux.  don't know about nook ...
[11:06] <marianne> lotuspsychje: Ok,coolio. That should be easy. Or I could always download the windows nook reader and run it in wine...right?
[11:06] <Fuzzles> is there a way to get the opensource drivers from 13.04 into 12.04?
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> marianne: calibre will run smoother in my opinion
[11:07] <MonkWitDaFunk> I have ati radeon graphics i am sure and i have not seen proprietary graphics drivers for my card yet maybe i will find them now
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  use the !backports
[11:07] <minimec> Fuzzles: As they are part of the kernel, no. But maybe you can use the kernel of Ubuntu 13.04. It should be in the repos. Now it's 3.8.0.23 , I think
[11:08] <marianne> lotuspsychje: Ok, going to work on it a bit, thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[11:08] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, are the backports under pre-release in undate manager?
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> marianne: any time
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> !backports
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> are there oovoo alternatives for ubuntu?
[11:10] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, are backports safe?
[11:10] <MonkWitDaFunk> !pre-released updates
[11:11] <MonkeyDust> Fuzzles  i'm sure someone else can help better
[11:12] <Fuzzles> MonkWitDaFunk, what are pre-released updates?
[11:14] <MonkWitDaFunk> I googled: pre-released updates site:ubuntu.com
[11:15] <MonkWitDaFunk> The only proprietary drivers i ever found were for nvidia and broadcom
[11:16] <SteveBell> hi all, is there any way to make a OSX journaled formatted harddrive writable in ubuntu?
[11:17] <Fuzzles> MonkeyDust, so im better off using the one from their site and just uninstall it when updating kernal, then reinstall driver
[11:18] <SteveBell> want to use a 2TB harddrive (that I used on OS X) on a ubuntu machine I'M not setting up as my media center
[11:19] <MonkWitDaFunk> Hi stevebell, i thought only uefi capable bios was the only way to boot a disk larger than a T
[11:19] <SteveBell> it'S an external harddisk not the bootdisk
[11:20] <SteveBell> it's the disk with all my media going to be used in xbmc. but that#s not working cause somehow it's not writeable. maybe due to the OSX journaled formatting? MonkWitDaFunk
[11:20] <bekks> MonkWitDaFunk: Thats wrong.
[11:21] <toString> hi
[11:21] <toString> i can't find a shell executable xmlrpc client
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: maybe this can help: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10387352/accessing-osx-files-and-folders-from-ubuntu-12-04
[11:22] <toString> i'm on kubuntu and looking for xmlrpc on muon returns just library
[11:22] <toString> *libraries
[11:22] <bekks> toString: I guess there's an xmlrpc library, which can be used.
[11:23] <toString> bekks, can't find any generic libraries
[11:23] <SteveBell> puh lotuspsychje that's basically what I need but I have no clue how to disable journaling in os x without deformatting the drive and loosing all the data. that would be my last resort. but not to keen on copying 2TB for one day.
[11:23] <bekks> !info libxmlrpc
[11:23] <toString> just specific ones for php, lua and ocaml
[11:24] <aelinoea> hello, does people have much experience installing ubuntu 12.04lst after windows 7 and it working well?
[11:24] <bekks> toString: So you need a library for being used with what exactly?
[11:24] <dekiss> is it very hard to configure network card so I can connect to internet from ubuntu server?
[11:24] <cfhowlett> aelinoea, installed it without issue and it's been working fine
[11:24] <dekiss> will you help me? :)
[11:24] <dekiss> I plan to install ubuntu server
[11:24] <bekks> dekiss: It is very easy.
[11:24] <dekiss> :) oh cmon really? :D
[11:25] <dekiss> ok im going to do it right now
[11:25] <marianne> lotuspsychje: I have managed to download a set of test books, I have one that says it's DRM protected, won't let me open or convert... hummm any ideas
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: you cant axs the drive by default?
[11:25] <dekiss> I have very little linux experience
[11:25] <bekks> dekiss: Configuring the network takes about two minutes.
[11:25] <toString> i've a bash script that makes checks towards a rtorrent installation, and it needs an xmlrpc executable
[11:25] <bekks> toString: There is no xmlrpc executable out there.
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> marianne: drm protection is a way to protect content you need to buy first
[11:25] <aelinoea> cfhowlett: did you change the size of the windows 7 partition?
[11:25] <toString> ok, it seems i found it now
[11:25] <toString> libxmlrpc-c3-dev
[11:26] <SteveBell> sorry I know computer basics but never heard of axs = access? As I said I can access the drive, also play movies but not write on it and writing seems neccessary to make use of the drive in xbmc
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> marianne: try some free ebooks from archive.org or something
[11:26] <SteveBell> lotuspsychje:
[11:27] <cfhowlett> aelinoea, originally, I set up my Dell as a triple boot: osx, Win 7 and ubuntu 10.04.  later dropped OSX and had 10.04 and win 7.  I repartitioned with gparted
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: ah you want to use the driver permantly on ubuntu
[11:27] <SteveBell> y netbook should be always on with that ex hdd connected. will be my xbmc media center
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: seems like the recommend to disable journaling from inside the mac: http://superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write
[11:28] <arunakk> hi
[11:29] <arunakk> holo
[11:29] <cfhowlett> arunakk, holo?  um ... greetings?
[11:29] <absolootly> help
[11:30] <cfhowlett> absolootly, help?  no details?  no way.
[11:32] <soulspire> Is the a casual chat for ubuntu?
[11:32] <soulspire> this*
[11:32] <thecodeischaos> na this is hardcore only
[11:32] <cfhowlett> !osoulspire,
[11:32] <soulspire> ty
[11:32] <cfhowlett> !ot|soulspire,
[11:32] <SteveBell> lotuspsychje: thanks so much for that link. sounds rather easy. will report back
[11:32] <thecodeischaos> i have "ubuntu" tatooed on my forehead
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: np mate
[11:32] <xGeek> hello all, does any one has a link to download ubuntu 13.04 backgrounds ?
[11:33] <thecodeischaos> girls love it
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> thecodeischaos: :p
[11:33] <histo> xGeek: wallbase.cc
[11:33] <minimec> xGeek: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ubuntu-wallpaper&suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> xGeek: deviantart would be great aswell
[11:33] <xGeek> thanks guys
[11:36] <marianne> lotuspsychje: free ones work fine, as do some of the ones I purchased, just not this one. I guess I can read it online still, so all is not lost and I saved the file to my HD so I have a back up if needed
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> marianne: did you buy ebooks with drm protection that you cant open with calibre?
[11:37] <marianne> lotuspsychje: yes, just one that I've found so far. Game of Thrones bundle.
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> marianne: well i dont think we can discuss removing drm protections in this channel :p
[11:38] <Myrtti> marianne: drm'd adobe digital edition books will not open with calibre. They might work with Adobe Digital Editions programme for Windows if you run it through wine. or just read them with the online things. You can still use calibre to move even the drm'd books to the device you have
[11:38] <Myrtti> you just can't read them with calibre
[11:39]  * cfhowlett is happy to hear it wasn't Twilight ...
[11:39] <marianne> Myrtti: I'll give that a try. I still have my nook reader on my iMac where I can read it
[11:41] <aelinoea> cfhowlett: ok, thanks
[11:41] <energizer> how do i refer to the 'enter' key in the command line (xdotool)
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> xGeek: dont forget to check on user desktops to get new ideas: http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=ubuntu+desktop&offset=24
[11:41] <marianne> lotuspsychje: yup, the web version works fine, like I thought it would
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> !yay | marianne
[11:42] <MonkeyDust> energizer  in the old days, it was chr$13, maybe it's similar these days
[11:43] <energizer> MonkeyDust doesnt look like it
[11:43] <energizer> any idea where to look?
[11:44] <SteveBell> lotuspsychje: ok, I managed to deactivate journaling via the terminal on OS X. 10.8 no longer allows that via diskutility. when I'm now trying to write on that disk in ubuntu I get the error msg that files can't be copied, the target has write protection
[11:44] <MonkeyDust> energizer  look for "carriage return" or "line feed", example: http://forums.devshed.com/coldfusion-development-84/chr-10-and-chr-13t-610273.html
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: can you transfer files from one to another hd?
[11:45] <energizer> MonkeyDust: got it. it was KP_Enter. i wonder what KP stands for?
[11:45] <MonkeyDust> KP = Key Press, i guess
[11:45] <energizer> cool tnx
[11:45] <xGeek> lotuspsychje, yeah i've archlinux with cinnamon and i like ubuntu's wallapapers :D
[11:46] <SteveBell> lotuspsychje:  not sure I understand the question. but y, that's what I'm trying to do
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> xGeek: you should try ubuntu 13.04 its rocketfast
[11:47] <crazysmoker> hio
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: sorry mate, is there any way you can transfer your data from the mac to another hd? then reformat your 2TB?
[11:47] <crazysmoker> is there someone with UEFI skills?
[11:47] <xGeek> lotuspsychje, archlinux is , for sure, faster ;)
[11:47] <aLeSD> hi all
[11:47] <aLeSD> could you suggest me a video editor ?
[11:47] <crazysmoker> pitivi
[11:48] <cfhowlett> aLeSD, openshot
[11:48] <aLeSD> thanks
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> xGeek: you should see my 13.04 64bit on ssd running :p
[11:48] <MonkeyDust> my 13.04 is FAST
[11:48] <SteveBell> lotuspsychje: if that'S the last resort that's possible. I have a backup with another 2tb drive. so can reformat and copy back all files from the backup.
[11:49] <crazysmoker> my win 8 is also fast but i want Ubuntu on my HP envy sleekbook 6 !! dont know how ..
[11:49] <yggdrasil> whats up
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> SteveBell: re-ask your problem in here once in a while, many experts will might know a trick on another time
[11:49] <yggdrasil> can somone help me get a macbook pro (older) to boot off a usb stick with ubuntu live cd ?
[11:49] <yggdrasil> ive tried everything
[11:49] <crazysmoker> bootcamp ?
[11:50] <SteveBell> lotuspsychje: ok will do thanks so far for your help
[11:50] <yggdrasil> well it has crashed hard drive..
[11:50] <cfhowlett> !mac|yggdrasil,
[11:50] <MonkeyDust> crazysmoker  windows is fast when it is new, after a while, it starts slowing down
[11:50] <yggdrasil> thanks
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> crazysmoker: what holds you to install ubuntu on that envy?
[11:51] <xGeek> lotuspsychje, ubuntu is very fast i know but i like build my own system that's why i use arch :))
[11:51] <aLeSD> which prograqm to resize a video resolution ?
[11:51] <crazysmoker> it is the fucking UEFI !!!
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | aLeSD
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> crazysmoker: cool down mate
[11:52] <gordonjcp> UEFI rocks
[11:52] <gordonjcp> everything should use UEFI
[11:52] <crazysmoker> i have to use windows for Ableton live but i cant install ubuntu without deleting win
[11:52] <gordonjcp> crazysmoker: you can shrink your Windows partition
[11:52] <crazysmoker> and my magazine saysi could destroy my laptop..
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> ?
[11:53] <Serelijah> As a noob, am I supposed to fail to immediately understand Linux's terminal?
[11:53] <Prostetnic> crazysmoker, your mag is high on crack. mind you back up everything.
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> !bash | Serelijah
[11:54] <Prostetnic> Serelijah, don't use it to begin with, then start small
[11:54] <thecodeischaos> the terminal is easy to use. its just learning the commands
[11:54] <crazysmoker> can someone reffer me to a good guide ?? and is there a difference between the models?
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> thecodeischaos: i agree with you
[11:54] <thecodeischaos> actually using the terminal is just typing and pressing enter....
[11:55] <Serelijah> What I'm doing here is trying to learn what I can from a live CD... that does not have a GUI.
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | crazysmoker
[11:56] <Prostetnic> thecodeischaos, the terminal is easier than you initially expect but the learning curve is the wrong way round for a beginner, its a wall that quickly tapers away, rather than a gentle slope that gets steeper and steeper for a gui.
[11:57] <orion_> Hi
[11:57] <cfhowlett> Serelijah, yes.  that's why you use the software center until your skills develop for more specialized tasks.
[11:57] <cfhowlett> orion_, greetings
[11:57] <Taylz> Can anyone recommend a good free extracting program for .tar and .rar files please?
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !info rar | Taylz
[11:59] <crazysmoker> ok i know what uefi is but i read a lot of problems if i trie to instal linux with uefi/secure boot and i have to reinstall windows .. is this right??
[11:59] <Taylz> ubottu: Many thanks for the info! Didn'r realise you could do that. How do you install it? Simply put archiver in software manager?
[11:59] <Taylz> =/
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> Taylz: open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install rar
[11:59] <orion_> I have a problem to install Ubuntu. Can anyone help me?
[11:59] <cfhowlett> !details|orion_,
[11:59] <Taylz> lotuspsychje: Many thanks for your help. Will give it a go now.
[12:00] <cfhowlett> crazysmoker, suggestion:  install virtualbox for windows.  then install ubuntu to the virtualbox.  develop your skills and learn.  convert to a dual boot once you know more.
[12:00] <crazysmoker> i have ubuntu skills i am running many distros since years but never with this new BIOS replacement ..
[12:01] <crazysmoker> and virtualbox with ubuntu doesnt work on win8 dont know ^^ its the first time i have a computer newer than 2009 ^^
[12:02] <cfhowlett> crazysmoker, understood.  for what it's worth, the uefi/laptop brick issue was a very hot bug and was "fixed" with the latest kernel ...
[12:02] <orion_> After choosing the wifi network I want to connect, an error stops me: ubi-partman failed with exit code 141.
[12:02] <crazysmoker> cfhowlett, try direct mention..
[12:02] <Taylz> lotuspsychje: I have installed rar but fail to see how I use it / extract from the file?
[12:02] <crazysmoker> ok so i can easy trie to install it in dualboot without deleting win8 ?? thats a goooooood news :-)
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> Taylz: right mouse your .rar archive/ extract here
[12:03] <crazysmoker> @Taylz trie 7zip its great for all archives :)
[12:03] <Serelijah> Can the live CD non-graphical version really do much?
[12:04] <music> hello!!
[12:04] <orion_> Ubottu help me
[12:04] <cfhowlett> Serelijah, do much of what?  what are you trying to accomplish
[12:04] <Taylz> lotuspsychje: I have tried that and it doesnt seem to work
[12:04] <cfhowlett> music, greetings
[12:04] <Taylz> crazysmoker: I normally do use that but I'm on a KUbuntu desktop at the moment and 7zip doesnt appear to be available on here/software centre/terminal install.
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> !info p7zip-full | Taylz
[12:04] <orion_> After choosing the wifi network I want to connect, an error stops me: ubi-partman failed with exit code 141.
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> Taylz: you can install it same way i showed from terminal
[12:05] <MonkeyDust> orion_  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498417
[12:05] <cfhowlett> crazysmoker, that I know of, NO dual boot installation should require you to first delete windows.  In fact, the preference is to install windows prior to ubuntu.
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> i never liked those dualboots
[12:06] <crazysmoker> ok cool so now i tried this an report here if it works or fail ;) and yo uhave to help me if i brick something ^^
[12:06] <music> am trying to get my laptop up to speed w/ 12.04  - only question is - my os is currently windows 7 64-bit should I use 64 bit ubuntu and how will this change the setup?
[12:07] <Taylz> lotuspsychje: I have now installed p7zip the way you said. How do I run / use it? Because when I just right click and extract it fails to extract the file.
[12:07] <Serelijah> My biggest problem would probably be that I have no idea how to do anything with terminal-only Linux..
[12:07] <cfhowlett> music, if your system can run 64 bit (as it does) then install it.  changes to set up?  you mean the dual boot arrangement?
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> Serelijah  that's how we all started
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> Taylz: right mouse your archive and 'open with' 7zip
[12:08] <music> yes
[12:08] <orion_> Thank you.
[12:08] <cfhowlett> !dualboot|music,
[12:08] <orion_> MonkeyDust_
[12:08] <music> thank you I will take a look this am
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> music: or you could singleboot ubuntu 64bit and loose windows once and for good
[12:09] <cfhowlett> music, best of luck.  I've got win 7 and ubuntustudio 12.04 on my dell since 2009.
[12:11] <Aktiff> Hello  i have one cuestion i have install cromium and can get hardware aceleration but in firefox i dont have and the cpu goes high and i want to use firefox but dont know how to force the hardware aceleration and what configs must to do
[12:12] <hs> hello , how can i change unity-greeter logo position ?
[12:12] <bmxscott1993> got a problem trying to run tor on ubuntu 13.04 and getting this message Another Vidalia process is possibly already running. If there really is not another Vidalia process running, you can choose to continue anyway.
[12:12] <bmxscott1993> Would you like to continue starting Vidalia?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> hs: you mean changing background on login window?
[12:14] <music> is anyone else running 12.04 in Ubuntu or have most people switched to 13.04
[12:14] <hs> bmxscott1993 , lotuspsychje , no the lightdm unity-greeter logo.
[12:14] <mango> music: i'm  running 12:04. but i just got it yesterday
[12:15] <mango> i don't know if I count for much
[12:15] <music> yeah I like it alot
[12:15] <bmxscott1993> i tryed sorting it out but is say this as well Vidalia was unable to save your Advanced settings.
[12:15] <bmxscott1993> ControlSocket path doesn't exist.
[12:15] <hs> bmxscott1993 are you trying to install tor or tor-browser
[12:15] <bmxscott1993> both
[12:16] <auronandace> mango: depends on your needs, 12.04 has 5 years of support
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> music: ive got 13.04 64bit on ssd and its rocketfast
[12:16] <hs> bmxscott1993 goto terminal : sudo chown $USER -Rv ~/.tor-browser/
[12:16] <hs> bmxscott1993 then restart your ubuntu then re run it.
[12:16] <cfhowlett> music, I only run LTS ... fewer headaches that way.  Still have and still love 12.04
[12:17] <Aktiff> hello can anybody help me?
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> !ask | Aktiff
[12:17] <MonkeyDust> Aktiff  start with a question
[12:17] <cfhowlett> !details|Aktiff,
[12:18] <hs> lotuspsychje , ive changed the logo of unity-greeter , /usr/share/unity-greeter/logo.png , but half of the new logo is under the screen rosulotion , i need to change the position.
[12:18] <bmxscott1993> im getting this in chown: cannot access ‘/home/scott/.tor-browser/’: No such file or directory
[12:18] <bmxscott1993> failed to change ownership of ‘/home/scott/.tor-browser/’ to
[12:18] <bmxscott1993> that what im getting
[12:18] <Aktiff> Ok i will say you again maybe not are in the chatroom when i say it i have hardware aceleration on chromium and all works fine but i dont have it  on fire fox and i am firefox user, i dont know how to enable here or how to force in chromium it goes good in the first use
[12:19] <hs> bmxscott1993 , have you added the tor PPA ?
[12:19] <bmxscott1993> il try that
[12:20] <Akishona> hi
[12:20] <hs> bmxscott1993 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor
[12:20] <hs> bmxscott1993 sudo apt-get update , then sudo apt-get install tor-browser
[12:20] <MonkeyDust> bmxscott1993  if that ppa ruins your system, you cannot come here for help
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> is that ok More info: https://launchpad.net/~upubuntu-com/+archive/tor
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel adding it
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmp4pqi9t/secring.gpg' created
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmp4pqi9t/pubring.gpg' created
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> gpg: requesting key E06E6293 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> gpg: /tmp/tmp4pqi9t/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> gpg: key E06E6293: public key "Launchpad PPA for upubuntu.com" imported
[12:21] <FloodBot1> bmxscott1993: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> gpg: Total number processed: 1
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
[12:21] <hs> bmxscott1993 then : sudo chown $USER -Rv ~/.tor-browser/
[12:21] <hs> bmx dont flood. use pastbin
[12:21] <bmxscott1993> ok floodbot
[12:21] <Aktiff> or can anybody help me to install a chromium last stable version by ppa?
[12:22] <MonkeyDust> Aktiff  not by ppa
[12:22] <hs> aktiff , your using ubuntu 13.04 ?
[12:22] <bmxscott1993> it giving me this scott@computer:~$ sudo apt-get install tor-browser
[12:22] <bmxscott1993> Reading package lists... Done
[12:22] <bmxscott1993> Building dependency tree
[12:22] <bmxscott1993> Reading state information... Done
[12:22] <bmxscott1993> E: Unable to locate package tor-browser
[12:22] <FloodBot1> bmxscott1993: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:22] <bmxscott1993> scott@computer:~$ sudo chown $USER -Rv ~/.tor-browser/
[12:22] <MonkeyDust> bmxscott1993  please stop that pasting in the channel
[12:22] <bmxscott1993> ok ip going to us paste thing
[12:22] <MonkeyDust> bmxscott1993  ppa's are not supported in the channel
[12:22] <Aktiff> 12.04 i see the lastest version for ubuntu are 25but i know now are 27 stable
[12:23] <hs> bmx , did you do sudo apt-get update , first ?
[12:23] <Aktiff> or help to force hardware aceleration on firefox in chromium works good
[12:23] <MonkeyDust> Aktiff Chroumium in 13.04 is also 25
[12:23] <hs> aktiff , you can goto ubuntu software center , and search for chromium
[12:24] <bmxscott1993> it giving me this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5725932/
[12:24] <MonkeyDust> bmxscott1993  better contact the maintainer of the ppa
[12:24] <hs> bmx, did you do sudo apt-get update ?
[12:25] <hs> bmxscott1993, did you do sudo apt-get update ?
[12:25] <MonkeyDust> bmxscott1993  why use a ppa? tor is in the repos
[12:25] <bmxscott1993> ye
[12:26] <Aktiff> i dont like to use an outdated browser and dont like to use chrome because have a flash embebed and dont work well, I think  is beter use firefox because are always upto date but in firefox dont works hardware acleration and in chrome and chromium works well
[12:26] <docprentice> frankenstein junior
[12:26] <makara> hi. What's wrong with this script? It doesn't handle case-sensitivity http://pastebin.com/s8nUv2gR
[12:26] <bmxscott1993> it updateing
[12:26] <hs> bmxscott1993,  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor64 , and do the update again.
[12:27] <tricky> hi guys
[12:27] <hs> bmx , after the update , use : sudo apt-get install tor-browser
[12:27] <hs> tricky , hi
[12:28] <bmxscott1993> it working now just intalling the browser
[12:28] <bmxscott1993> thank for the help
[12:28] <hs> bmxscott1993 then : sudo chown $USER -Rv ~/.tor-browser/
[12:28] <Jordan_U> makara: You need to quote or escape the globs, and you should already always be using quotes around variables in bash.
[12:28] <Serelijah> I have no idea how to find anything with the terminal...
[12:29] <MonkeyDust> Serelijah  use find or locate
[12:29] <fellayaboy> hey if you just bootup into tty1 cli and you plug in an external hard drive...will it automatically mount like it does when your in X
[12:29] <tricky> anybody knows how transport files from andoid to linux?
[12:29] <Prostetnic> makara, is bash matching the wildcard pattern *before* passing it to locate?
[12:29] <MonkeyDust> Serelijah  e.g.: locate fstab
[12:29] <fellayaboy> i mean will a external hard drive mount in tty1 cli
[12:30] <makara> Jordan_U, haven't heard of globs. Can you send type the locate line here please?
[12:30] <someone235> what is the name of the software that you can mount & repair partitions?
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> tricky: ive copyd files from samsung tablet in DCIM folder and copy all pictures then paste in nautilus
[12:31] <someone235> that comes with Ubuntu live cd
[12:31] <Jordan_U> makara: locate --ignore-case "/home/mar/*$1*"
[12:31] <zykotick9> fellayaboy: i highly doubt it.
[12:31] <fellayaboy> so how would i do that..how can i mount it and get it workign
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | someone235
[12:32] <auronandace> !mount | fellayaboy
[12:32] <zykotick9> fellayaboy: manually use mount, or create an fstab entry for the drive.
[12:32] <Serelijah> I don't even know what software Linux has, how should I start anyway?
[12:32] <Jordan_U> makara: Globs are patterns used for matching files in bash, and bash expands (unquoted/escaped) globs before passing them on to any command. For example, 'echo /home/mar/*$1*' will probably list files, even though the echo command itself knows nothing about files or globs.
[12:33] <auronandace> !manual | Serelijah
[12:33] <Prostetnic> Jordan_U, makara,  +1
[12:33] <makara> Jordan_U, thx very much
[12:33] <hs> how to change unity-greeter logo position ?
[12:33] <mango> wooo! it took a couple reformats but i finally got eclipse on ubuntu^^
[12:34] <fellayaboy> thanks zykotick9
[12:34] <Jordan_U> makara: You're welcome. I highly recommend reading through http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls and asking questions in #bash to learn good practices in bash.
[12:35] <makara> Jordan_U, the attitude in the bash channel leaves much to be desired :)
[12:36] <hs> how to change unity-greeter logo position ?
[12:37] <BluesKaj_> makara, well, geeks with few social graces and atitude makes for an unpleasant experience there , altho they can be halpful at times
[12:37] <zykotick9> BluesKaj_: "very helpful" sometimes!
[12:38] <Jano_> hello
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> hs: seems like its hardcoded, source: http://askubuntu.com/questions/301190/how-to-change-unity-greeter-logo-position-on-ubuntu-13-04
[12:38] <Jano_> yes, it is
[12:39] <Akishona> can anyone knows from where i can download apks
[12:39] <Jano_> android apps?
[12:40] <cfhowlett> docprentice, amazon app store
[12:40] <cfhowlett> Jano_, and google play
[12:40] <Jano_> legally from developers website and not... from some unnamed crack sites :(
[12:41] <Akishona> jano: yes
[12:41] <walltender> Will some one take a look at this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/303115/track-down-failure-to-shut-down
[12:41] <Jano_> from google play you cant get apk, you must download app and then copy it to sd card using total commander for android
[12:41] <cfhowlett> Jano_, google play is "safe".  amazon app store and xda developers are generally safe
[12:41] <Jano_> yes, i know i develop some apps :D
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> is there a way to make the email notification indicator play a sound by getting new mail?
[12:42] <cfhowlett> Jano_, I get apks from amazon all the time and then airdroid to install
[12:42] <hs> lotuspsychje , can you give me some hints , how to do so ?
[12:42] <krov> is (U)EFI neccesary to use?
[12:42] <cfhowlett> !uefi|krov,
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> hs: sorry mate, didnt find any tricks
[12:43] <Serelijah> Wait a second, was it a bad idea to try to start with command-line?
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> Serelijah: someone sugested starting to start gui, and then learn commandline bit by bit
[12:44] <zykotick9> Serelijah: i'd guess most ubuntu users rarely use terminal...  certainly NOT the easiest to start with.
[12:44] <gordonjcp> Serelijah: depends what you're trying to do
[12:44] <gordonjcp> Serelijah: if you're running a server, you probably want to start getting used to using CLI for everything
[12:45] <Jano_> no it isnt easyiest but there are many anuals on internet you only need how to use "nano" and "man"
[12:45] <gordonjcp> Serelijah: using the CLI is not an end in itself, it's just a tool that makes some things easier
[12:45] <krov> cfhowlett: i know its replacement. but why use it? the only thing i know is that is support for higher hardrive, and i dont know what other purposes it have
[12:45] <gordonjcp> krov: you can use UEFI if your hardware supports it
[12:45] <gordonjcp> everything should use UEFI
[12:45] <gordonjcp> the BIOS needs to die
[12:46] <mango> is anyone familiar with 'RailsInstaller; for windows or mac? is there something similar for ubuntu?
[12:46] <gordonjcp> actually, OpenBoot > UEFI but no-one can understand
[12:46] <krov> gordonjcp: i think it support it cus i choose Boot in UEFI
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> mango: whats the purpose of that program?
[12:46] <zykotick9> gordonjcp: ya, because microsoft controlling all hardware is a good thing </sarcasm>
[12:46] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: how does Microsoft control "all hardware"?
[12:47] <gordonjcp> Microsoft have nothing much to do with UEFI
[12:47] <gordonjcp> all the Intel Macs are UEFI, for example; no Microsoft there
[12:47] <Jordan_U> krov: UEFI is not needed for drives larger than 2 TiB, just GPT (unless you want to boot Windows). But Pretty much all PC boot firmware sold today defaults to UEFI.
[12:47] <mango> lotuspsychje: well it installs ruby, rails, heroku.(i think) just a convenient bundle of stuff for developing rails apps on your system
[12:47] <zykotick9> gordonjcp: only MS can give you secure boot keys...  they also dictate the entire process.
[12:47] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: anyone can generate secure boot keys
[12:47] <mango> lotuspsychje: instead of doing it one at a time
[12:47] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: you just need to configure UEFI to use them
[12:47] <Jano_> mango: it is needed to run ruby its simple
[12:47] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: or, disable secure boot
[12:48] <jpmh> nm-tool says nmy dns servers are 206.67.222.222, 206.67.220.220 and 10.1;.10,1 - yet when I do a dig it says z#127.0.0.1 and seems NOT to bhe using the 206... - the system is set to get dns from dhcp which should give the first 2.  What is happening here ?
[12:48] <zykotick9> gordonjcp: MS needs to sign those keys... <i'm done>
[12:48] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: no, MS does *not* need to sign those keys
[12:48] <Jordan_U> gordonjcp: zykotick9: Please move non-support discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> mango: something like this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RubyOnRails
[12:48] <mango> ubuntu probably comes with SSH, right away right?
[12:48] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: someone with access to the UEFI CA does
[12:48] <gordonjcp> mango: ssh client yes, ssh server no
[12:49] <mango> lotuspsychje: hey thanks alot!  i'm gonna dig through this
[12:49] <krov> gordonjcp: but would UEFI make hardware work better than before BIOS, then stuff was limited?
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> mango: np mate
[12:49] <alket> Hi, I am using ubuntu 13.04. I can't delete files or rename them in home directory, I used chmod -R 777 /user but it is not working ? I don't know what happened that they become Read-only ? Thank you!
[12:49] <gordonjcp> krov: once the system is booted it makes no difference
[12:50] <gordonjcp> alket: is the filesystem mounted read-only?
[12:50] <Serelijah> Should I actually *install* Ubuntu/any distro through virtualbox, trying to dualboot, or just wiping and replacing the original OS?
[12:50] <gordonjcp> Serelijah: again, depends what you're trying to do
[12:50] <krov> gordonjcp: sounds like UEFI just of time then?
[12:50] <alket> gordonjcp: I don't know, It worked fine yesterday. Today in startup it showed that /tmp needs to be fixed and I pressed F
[12:51] <krov> waste*
[12:51] <Serelijah> Figure out how to use Linux for the sake of future reference
[12:51] <zykotick9> alket: read-only filesystem perhaps?  type "mount" is / or /home (rw,...)  or (ro,...)?
[12:51] <gordonjcp> alket: sounds like it may be mounted read only
[12:52] <alket> gordonjcp: /dev/sda6 already mounted or / busy
[12:52] <gordonjcp> Serelijah: well dual-boot will give you better performance, running in a VM will give you the flexibility to easily create and destroy "clean" environments when you break it
[12:52] <adamk> MonkWitDaFunk: What model video card do you have?
[12:52] <gordonjcp> alket: what does "mount | grep sda6" say?
[12:52] <alket> gordonjcp: /dev/sda6 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[12:53] <gordonjcp> okay, so it *is* read-write
[12:53] <zykotick9> gordonjcp: verify alket doesn't have a separate /home
[12:53] <MonkWitDaFunk> I have both ati and nvidia. I also have a 256mb card that is onboard an asus
[12:53] <gordonjcp> alket: and /home is on the same partition?
[12:53] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: yes
[12:53] <gordonjcp> alket: does "mount | grep home" say anything?
[12:54] <alket> gordonjcp: no
[12:54] <gordonjcp> okay
[12:54] <alket> It used to work fine
[12:54] <gordonjcp> yeah
[12:54] <gordonjcp> have you rebooted since it asked to fix /tmp?
[12:54] <adamk> MonkWitDaFunk: Above you were commenting on the lack of proprietary drivers for your ATI video card.  Not all ATI video cards are supported with the current proprietary driver, which is why I was asking.
[12:54] <zykotick9> MonkWitDaFunk: fyi, you can't run both proprietary ATI and nvidia at the same time...
[12:56] <MonkWitDaFunk> I am assuming you get better results off looking at the screen and using glxgears with open source drivers compared to proprietary on an ati card
[12:56] <gordonjcp> right, got to go and deliver stuff, ttyl
[12:56] <alket> gordonjcp: no other folders
[12:56] <MonkWitDaFunk> My single board computer that has the ati card was built in 2012
[12:57] <adamk> MonkWitDaFunk: First, glxgears isn't a benchmark.  Second, the proprietary drivers generally give better 3D performance.
[12:58] <MonkWitDaFunk> Really? Is it a guarantee proprietary drivers should be adopted for your graphics?
[12:59] <adamk> MonkWitDaFunk: Not at all. Personally, I prefer the open source drivers. They do everything I need, they are enabled by default, and cause less problems for me.
[12:59] <zykotick9> adamk: nice!  :)
[13:00] <walltender> Where is the user specific power save settings file in linux?
[13:01] <MonkWitDaFunk> Well my only single board computer right now looks best with windows 8. I have to find the pre release offerings that ati can give ubuntu
[13:03] <Lamag> óáóíòîâîäû áëå\
[13:03] <MonkWitDaFunk> The default installation for the latest LTS in ky single board computer has been said to look bad
[13:04] <jpmh> nm-tool says nmy dns servers are 206.67.222.222, 206.67.220.220 and 10.1;.10,1 - yet when I do a dig it says z#127.0.0.1 and seems NOT to bhe using the 206... - the system is set to get dns from dhcp which should give the first 2.  What is happening here ?
[13:06] <MonkWitDaFunk> I really like ubuntu 12.04 on my computer with on board nvidia very much.
[13:07] <adamk> jpmh: Check /etc/resolv.conf
[13:09] <zykotick9> adamk: revsolv.conf is deprecated, those settings are in /etc/networks/interfaces now i believe
[13:10] <adamk> zykotick9: /etc/resolv.conf is certainly not completely deprecated. It is very clearly being used by dig.
[13:11] <Jordan_U> adamk: zykotick9: It's not "deprecated" in that tools don't read from /etc/resolv.conf, but Ubuntu's /etc/resolv.conf points to localhost by default, so looking there won't be very enlightening.
[13:12] <adamk> Jordan_U: It explains to jpmh why dig was looking at 127.0.1.1 :-)
[13:12] <Jordan_U> !resolvconf | adamk zykotick9
[13:13] <zykotick9> Jordan_U: but making changes to resolv.conf will be overwritten by N-M, making it rather useless.
[13:13] <adamk> Yes, I know how it works :-)
[13:13] <adamk> dnsmasq runs locally, and uses the DNS settings from NetworkManager as it's forwarder.
[13:15] <theos> hi
[13:15] <cfhowlett> theos, greetings
[13:15] <Anonamoose> hey
[13:15] <theos> i just upgraded to 12.04 and unity bar is not hiding.
[13:17] <theos> is there a solution?
[13:19] <mango> wooo! ubuntu is cureing my development woes!
[13:22] <carpediembaby> hi, my camera doesn't work anymore. when i try with cheese, i get a black screen and when i try with guvcview, it says make sure it is connected. the camera is integrated
[13:22] <carpediembaby> could someone help, please?
[13:22] <krov> are there other purposes to use UEFI? than the size limitation?
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> !uefi | start here
[13:23] <zykotick9> krov: UEFI has NOTHING to do with partition size limitation!  that's GPT you need for that.
[13:24] <krov> zykotick9: so what's the other advantages to using UEFI?
[13:24] <zykotick9> krov: do you currently have UEFI hardware?
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> krov  it's a security thing
[13:25] <MonkeyDust> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#SecureBoot
[13:25] <krov> zykotick9: i dont know but, i have boot choices for legacy and UEFI
[13:25] <zykotick9> krov: then you have UEFI hardware.  it's up to you then.  but there aren't really "advantages" as far as i'm concerned.
[13:26] <jpmh> adamk: I agree but WHY is resolv.comf and the system usnig 127.0.0.1 when nowhere do I spec this and tell it to get from DHCP
[13:27] <hs> how to make my own bootloader on plymouth  ?
[13:28] <ShalokShalom> Where to drop my bootloader, when i wish to set a dualboot with win8? GPT
[13:30] <danes> hello, I installed motion and I was changing settings in the configuration script but I messed it up and couldn't get it back to work. I uninstalled motion and deleted the configuration file and then reinstalled it but it didnt generate  back the config file /etc/motion/motion.conf is there any command to create back the configuration files?
[13:31] <danes> I mean configuration file, not script
[13:31] <vbooh> May be you should purge package of 'motion'.
[13:31] <zykotick9> danes: when you want to remove config files, use purge instead of manually deleting them.
[13:31] <anonymous> hi
[13:32] <anonymous> hey zykotick9
[13:32] <anonymous> you them call
[13:32] <anonymous> ok?
[13:32] <mango> how do i add rails to ubuntu path?
[13:32] <anonymous> no
[13:32] <cfhowlett> !path
[13:32] <anonymous> ubuntu payh
[13:32] <anonymous>    !path
[13:32] <anonymous> ok?
[13:32] <danes> zykotick9: thanks for the advise, is it possible to rebuild the config file then?
[13:33] <mango> thanks guys, i'm trying
[13:33] <vbooh> Hello, everyone. Please, tell me, there is a way to save permanently settings for /sys? For example, save setting for /sys/block/sdb/queue/scheduler . /etc/rc.local is deprecated, as far as I know. Option 'elevator' for kernel is not accepted for my case.
[13:34] <zykotick9> danes: there is some way to manually tell apt to reinstall the config file(s) but i don't know what it is.  you could try reinstalling it, then properly purging it, then reinstalling again - hopefully that "might" work.  or research the reinstall config option.
[13:36] <anonymous> lee dae woo
[13:36] <anonymous> going to lee dea wo
[13:37] <Shariff> How can I alter network configuration without the networkmanager tool. I cannot use it, because I don't load gnome or anything (XBMCbuntu) and the pre-NM files seems not to be used..
[13:37] <ShalokShalom> Where to drop my bootloader, when i wish to set a dualboot with win8? GPT
[13:39] <vbooh> Shariff: /etc/network/interfaces
[13:40] <MasterBlind> anybody can help me how to connect IP in irc, i'm using hosting ubuntu, and get message "* Unable to connect to server (Connection refused)" I'm already config the ip and port, what's wrong?
[13:40] <christaras> Hello. I have an issue with unity. I installed fglrx. It didn't work and so i removed it from terminal. Now unity is reacting strangely. Although buttons are skinned unity top and side panels are missing.
[13:42] <vbooh> ShalokShalom: If you use MBR, you can erase bootloader on HDD called 'sda' this way:
[13:42] <vbooh> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 count=512
[13:43] <ShalokShalom> GPT
[13:43] <ShalokShalom> not MBR
[13:44] <ShalokShalom> U mean, i have to erease my sda? O.O
[13:44] <ShalokShalom> WTF????
[13:44] <Shariff> vbooh: Yeah, I tried that, but eth0 is not defined there and the interface is up and running
[13:44] <Shariff> vbooh: So it must be managed/stored elsewhere
[13:46] <zykotick9> Shariff: i hear (never used it myself, successfully) that there is some terminal based way to control N-M, but i doubt you'll find config files for it...  good luck.
[13:47] <Shariff> zykotick9: Thanks! :D I will figure it out.. somehow :)
[13:47] <vbooh> ShalokShalom: No, just first 512 bytes. I am not sure, if this solution is accepted for GPT.
[13:48] <vbooh> Shariff: Networkmanager is deleted and is not running?
[13:49] <SharkWoof> i need to add stuff to a powerpoint but somehow libre office seems to open it in full-screen i dont know why but the powerpoint was made in 2003 powerpoint
[13:49] <Shariff> vbooh: Well I'm sure it is. but XBMCbuntu uses a different X-client.. the XBMC interface.. So I cannot access the normal interface.. as such I cannot reach networkmanager.. as far as I know now :)
[13:50] <natsukao> for those people which are in Canada: http://dpaste.com/1208472
[13:51] <pii3> hi i installed x11vnc and i have two monitor how can i choose only one of them to display via remote connection ?
[13:51] <himanshu_linux> hi , I am using 13.04 .. whenever i start my system, i get a error message "usb_modeswitch_dispatcher crashed " .. I not able to use my Usb Modem ..  Please help ..  i have seacrhed , i am not able to find solution for this ...
[13:51] <Hans11> Want to expot a ssl certificate to another server but it is not valid
[13:52] <donny49> ciao!
[13:52] <donny49> !list
[13:53] <SharkWoof> i need to add stuff to a powerpoint but somehow libre office seems to open it in full-screen i dont know why but the powerpoint was made in 2003 powerpoint
[13:53] <SharkWoof> !it | donny49
[13:53] <donny49> ok, tanks'
[13:53] <pii3> hi i installed x11vnc and i have two monitor how can i choose only one of them to display via remote connection ?
[13:54] <compdoc> pii3, did you follow the instructions of some website to install, or how did you install?
[13:54] <pii3> i just apt-get install x11vnc
[13:54] <pii3> and then connect via ssh and execute x11vnc and connect from a vnc client
[13:55] <pii3> no special setting , i did google but cannot find anythign
[13:55] <vbooh> Shariff: I am not familiar with XBMCbuntu and XBMC. I suspect, this feature is related to XMBC, no to Ubuntu, so you should search info about XBMC.
[13:56] <SharkWoof> i need to add stuff to a powerpoint but somehow libre office seems to open it in full-screen i dont know why but the powerpoint was made in 2003 powerpoint
[13:56] <Shariff> vbooh: Yeah, I guess so too :) Thanks for the help though :D
[13:57] <vbooh> himanshu_linux: If you want stability, you should try at first Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, it is much more suitable for novices.
[14:00] <mango> when adding a directory to path, should you append the PATH line in .profile? or simply add a new line?
[14:00] <jrib> mango: see the existing example for ~/bin in ~/.profile
[14:02] <mango> jrib: hey jrib. oh i think i get it now.
[14:02] <mango> jrib: so i guess i but it line at the very bottom? outside all the if blocks
[14:03] <rotten777> anyone awake?
[14:03] <jrib> mango: right, but the ~/bin example is an if block
[14:03] <anonymous> http://search.naver.com/search.naver?where=nexearch&query=이대우&sm=
[14:03] <anonymous> help plz
[14:03] <jrib> anonymous: start by asking an actual question
[14:03] <rotten777> I'm having an issue creating a local repo... I've run the apt-mirror command and it downloaded the 95gb+ to the local drive, but it seems like parts of the mirror are missing when running `apt-get update`
[14:03] <zykotick9> re ~/bin, the directory must exist at login for it to be included in PATH
[14:04] <mango> dumb question, but is double-clicking at all necessary in ubuntu?
[14:05] <jrib> mango: define "necessary"?  You can use double click to perform certain actions.  But you can perform those same actions in other ways I guess
[14:06] <mango> jrib: it just seemed like every time i opened a aprogram, it would open twice. I guess i'm double clicking the wrong cases
[14:07] <MonkeyDust> mango  open nautilus, files, preferences, behaviour
[14:07] <A1Recon> Last night i had a problem with brasero. It was not copying CDs. Then I installed k3b. k3b also did not work; it left a black patch in the middle of my screen and just did not load. But then I tried brasero again and it worked! :) Im just saying because if anyone else has problems they can implement this...
[14:17] <anonymous> 94
[14:20] <A1Recon> Is there a way to know when ubuntu was installed on a particular PC?
[14:21] <JuJuBee> My sd card from my phone stopped working.  When I plug into my laptop, I get this in syslog.... http://pastebin.com/UF6p5ZPp  Any suggestions or is the sd card dead?
[14:23] <mango> i think i see now. I think rails was added to the path, except for my git folder. is that normal?
[14:23] <th0r> A1recon: timestamps in /usr/sbin?
[14:25] <zykotick9> A1Recon: i'd check /var/log/apt/history.log for first entry.  timestamps in /usr/sbin certainly don't work for me?
[14:27] <himanshu_linux> hi , i am getting usb modeswitch crash evertime i start my system . And because of this i am not able to connect my usb modem...  screenshot of crash http://imagebin.org/259945 pls help .. ]
[14:27] <anonymous> i'm com plz
[14:27] <pii3> no special setting , i did google but cannot find anythign
[14:28] <pii3> hi i installed x11vnc and i have two monitor how can i choose only one of them to display via remote connection ?
[14:30] <nadege> Popularity test : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuSMH9RP91I
[14:34] <aladdin> how many GBs does Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS occupy?
[14:34] <aladdin> and how to view the memory usage?
[14:35] <aladdin> plz plz plz
[14:36] <minimec> aladdin: 3-4GB, 350MB footprint, something like that fo unity, I would say
[14:36] <theos> i just upgraded to 12.04 and unity bar is not hiding. is there a solution?
[14:37] <pfifo> hi
[14:37] <zykotick9> minimec: 5GB+ actually, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[14:38] <aladdin> i know it says 4.5 for Ubuntu and another few for files, but I think it occupies like 80GB (viewed from Benchmark)
[14:40] <minimec> zykotick9: Yeah, but just after installation you will not have these 5GB filled up with data...
[14:40] <zykotick9> minimec: so canonical is lieing?  why would they do that?
[14:41] <aladdin> how to force shut down the app?
[14:41] <minimec> zykotick9: No. They just want to give you space for your own data... maybe... ;)
[14:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok so part of my issue might be that there is no coretemp-isa-0000 listed in the config file and sensors returns nothing but cpu temps, no fan speed, core voltage, etc
[14:42] <k1l_> aladdin: a regular desktop is about 10GB for system. but depends on how much programs you install
[14:44] <aladdin> k1l_,  how to view the memory usage from terminal
[14:44] <aladdin> or from another place?
[14:44] <k1l_> aladdin: with memory you mean disk usage or ram usage?
[14:44] <cfhowlett> aladdin, I've got ubuntustudio + medibuntu and restricted extras.  My /home has a separate partition.  My system uses about 6.5 gigs
[14:45] <k1l_> aladdin: for disk usage see: "df -h"
[14:45] <aladdin> k1l_, disk usage
[14:46] <k1l_> aladdin: or start the systemmonitor if you prefer gui
[14:47] <aladdin> k1l_, actually 30GB with restricted extras :)
[14:47] <aladdin> k1l_, thank u
[14:48] <k1l_> aladdin: with integrated /home, which contains your personal data
[14:48] <aladdin> k1l_, any advice for installing windows8 via virtualbox?
[14:49] <majorlazer> how can i configure VPNC not to route all default routes?  I get logged out of my ssh!  i only need the vpn for a php script - how can I set up this?
[14:50] <keesj> Hi, I am trying to download the 13.04 version of ubuntu (64 bits) but the website still make me download the lts version
[14:50] <keesj> is there a direct link for the iso download ?
[14:50] <majorlazer> i just want to set a simple route that my php script can use - nothing else.  using vpnc and earthvpn.
[14:51] <majorlazer> keesj: which?
[14:53] <Ogham_> ubuntu 13.04 server edition does not have the kernel module for my jmicron (jme) ethernet adapter - but the desktop install doess..
[14:53] <Ogham_> how should I fix this?
[14:54] <bekks> Ogham_: Use the desktop kernel, e.g.
[14:54] <majorlazer> keesj: try this http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/
[14:55] <majorlazer> how can i add a simple route to vpnc instead of everything?  i get logged out of ssh when i start the client now.  anyone have experience with vpnc?
[14:56] <Ogham_> bekks: Can I choose to use the desktop kernel during installation to gain network, or choose it to be installed so I have network after reboot?
[14:57] <bekks> Ogham_: No, you cant. You could just install the desktop, and remove unwanted apps afterwards.
[14:57] <Ogham_> bekks: omg that is crazy!
[14:57] <Ogham_> bekks: So there is no way for me to install server edition on this hardware with net connection?
[14:58] <bekks> Ogham_: The server edition is just another deafult set of software to be installed.
[14:58] <keesj> found http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/
[14:58] <Ogham_> bekks: I just don't get why ethernet adapter support is _less_ on the server kernel!??
[14:59] <Ogham_> Surely there must be some sensible way to do this?
[14:59] <pii3> How can i setup vino to display only one monitor when connecting from remote desktop client ?
[14:59] <bekks> Ogham_: Which kernel version did you have when installing the server edition?
[14:59] <Ogham_> The minor was .19 I believe
[15:00] <bekks> And the rest? :)
[15:00] <pii3> How can i setup vino to display only one monitor when connecting from remote desktop client ?
[15:00] <Ogham_> 3.8.0-23 I think.. I'd have to reboot to double check - but pretty certain :)
[15:00] <Ogham_> oops
[15:00] <Ogham_> -19 not -23
[15:01] <somsip> Ogham_:  uname -a will tell you what you're running
[15:01] <Ogham_> somsip: this was during an attemted server installation with no network support a moment ago
[15:01] <Ogham_> bekks: There was no jme module, modprobe jme a no go :/
[15:02] <Ogham_> yet this desktop kernel 3.8.0-23 has it!?
[15:02] <somsip> Ogham_: you implied you had to reboot to check the kernel release. Maybe I misunderstood
[15:02] <telly> hi i just had fullspeed download from http://141.30.13.30/ for /lib/apt/methods/http ?? what was that? why wouldit download debian stuff?
[15:02] <bekks> Ogham_: So -19 doesnt have it, while -23 has.
[15:02] <Ogham_> bekks: apparently!?
[15:02] <Wulong> Hello. How do I add a program to start at login in Ubuntu 13.04?
[15:02] <pii3> any help?
[15:02] <w30>  /j #linuxhelp
[15:02] <Ogham_> its just plain strange...
[15:03] <bekks> Ogham_: So its a generic problem, not a server edition one. I have to look up something for you, just a second.
[15:03] <Ogham_> bekks: I think we have misunderstood, the desktop install has worked from release.. but the server installer does not support this ethernet adapter at all
[15:04] <Ogham_> bekks: so generic kernel has always had support, but the server one doesn't
[15:04] <Ogham_> I'm just lost as to how to proceed with a server install
[15:04] <pilsa> hi ... is there a quick way to uninstall asian and arabic fonts from openoffice? or only one by one?
[15:05] <bekks> Ogham_: Using 13.04 aka raring, there is no server edition anymore - at least not on cdimages.ubuntu.com
[15:06] <zykotick9> Ogham_: you could try the mini.iso perhaps (it's a text based net-install, with option in tasksel to install server)?
[15:07] <yggdrasil> exit
[15:07] <yggdrasil> exit
[15:07] <Ogham_> bekks: Is this not it here?
[15:07] <Ogham_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/
[15:07] <Ogham_> zykotick9: Is that a hybrid .iso I can use from usb?
[15:07] <zykotick9> Ogham_: yes.
[15:08] <Ogham_> zykotick9: I'll give it a whirl, cheers :)
[15:08] <Ogham_> What happened to alternate btw?
[15:08] <Ogham_> (on 13.04)
[15:08] <bekks> Ogham_: With 13.04, alternate is gone.
[15:08] <Ogham_> bekks: do you know why that is?
[15:09] <Ogham_> bekks: what I should ask, is what replaces it? :)
[15:10] <bekks> Ogham_: The mini.iso
[15:10] <Ogham_> bekks: aha :D
[15:10] <Ogham_> Righto.. guessing that will support my jme ethernet like the desktop edition...
[15:10] <Ogham_> still don't get why the server edition has no support though..
[15:11] <TROLLMax> hi
[15:11] <TROLLMax> hi
[15:11] <adamk_> Ogham_, Open a bug report.
[15:11] <Ogham_> adamk_: Yup!
[15:11] <Ogham_> bekks, zykotick9, thanks for the help :)
[15:11] <TROLLMax> hi docmur
[15:13] <adamk_> Ogham_, Personally, I can't think of any reason why it would have been intentionally omitted, so I'm guessing it's a simple mistake.
[15:13] <lafcadio> ciao
[15:14] <lafcadio> qualcuno riesce a capirmi?
[15:14] <TROLLMax> !ubuntu-it
[15:14] <Ogham_> adamk_: Yes, thats what makes it so odd! I'll install this mini.iso, have a browse about and get it reported
[15:14] <k1l_> !it
[15:14] <lafcadio> grazie
[15:15] <lafcadio> ciao
[15:15] <Ogham_> One more question! Is there a checksum for mini.iso somewhere?
[15:15] <natsukao> #ubuntu-it
[15:15] <Ogham_> nothing here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[15:16] <docmur> I have a wireless card running the ath9k chipset, when I try to upload files to my server I'm getting a MAX speed of 1.5MB/s.  The server is wired into the router.  I wondering how to tell if the problem is the card, Linux or the router
[15:16] <demonio> hi all is it possible start ubuntu in terminal mode?
[15:16] <zykotick9> !text | demonio
[15:16] <zykotick9> demonio: alternatively, disable your DM service.
[15:17] <Ogham_> ah sorry, found it :)
[15:17] <TROLLMax> docmur: b, g or n mode?
[15:17] <aladdin> how to install hexchat plz?
[15:17] <Eagleman> How can i remove a folder names -C ?
[15:17] <aladdin> from the terminal?
[15:18] <TheUsD> Hello, having an issue with owncloud server.  Clients can connect to server via program and http: but both receive erros:  clients connecting via sync program receive: server replied: service Temporarily Unavailable
[15:18] <docmur> IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:"869"   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.417 GHz,  is what iwconfig gives me, how else do I tell?
[15:18] <TheUsD> Http clients receive: failed to connect to database
[15:18] <Eagleman> How can i remove a folder named -C ?
[15:18] <aladdin> Eagleman, try sudo rm -C
[15:19] <Eagleman> aladdin, its an unvalid option
[15:19] <jrib> Eagleman: rmdir -- -C
[15:19] <Eagleman> thanks jrib
[15:20] <docmur> This is the dmesg on my card: http://pastebin.com/sN61fPis
[15:20] <demonio> thanks zykotick9
[15:20] <noob680> hi. if i have win7 and ubuntu installed on my comp and i get a virus/malware/etc in windows, can i still use ubuntu and access my data?
[15:21] <TROLLMax> docmur: my router is on mode b and I get 1.8 mbs on LAN have you tried to switch it to n mode.
[15:21] <gustav_> Any fun games?
[15:21] <demonio> another think zykotick9 how can i setup all startup program?
[15:21] <zykotick9> demonio: ?  sorry i wouldn't know...
[15:21] <aladdin> Eagleman, sorry, yep u got the answer ;)
[15:22] <Eagleman> aladdin, yeh i shouldt have made a folder named -C :)
[15:22] <demonio> zykotick9: ok
[15:24] <phong_> ls
[15:24] <phong_> clear
[15:25] <phong_> oops
[15:25] <aladdin> Eagleman, where was the directory anyway?
[15:26] <aladdin> jrib, why '--'?
[15:26] <aladdin> use
[15:26] <Eagleman> aladdin, i made it when trying to untar something with the -C option, i guess i did something wrong
[15:27] <esx2> How can I rename several files from "foo - bar.baz" to "bar - foo.baz"?
[15:28] <phong_> hi everyone in the house
[15:28] <aladdin> Eagleman, ok, rmdir normally removes the directory providing there are no files in that directory.
[15:29] <aladdin> hi phong_ !
[15:29] <Eagleman> aladdin, not when you want to delete a directory called -C, try it out :P
[15:29] <julian-delphiki> esx2, i would get the file names, split each line on " ", and then rename them.
[15:30] <julian-delphiki> Eagleman, rmdir \-C
[15:30] <julian-delphiki> i'd guess
[15:30] <julian-delphiki> or
[15:30] <julian-delphiki> put quotes around it.
[15:30] <Eagleman> quotes didnt work to, anyway it was solved 10 minutes aigo
[15:30] <julian-delphiki> ah ok
[15:32] <aladdin> Eagleman, i can't even make one by mkdir -C
[15:32] <Eagleman> aladdin, try touch -- -C
[15:32] <esx2> What I need is a command to rename a directory full of files name like "title - author.epub" to "author - title.epub"
[15:32] <Eagleman> it wasnt a folder but a file
[15:33] <adamk_> aladdin, mkdir ./-C && rmdir ./-C
[15:33] <Sullane> Hello
[15:34] <Sullane> Can anyone help me with an installation of AMD Catalyst?
[15:34] <aladdin> adamk, ohho okay gotcha
[15:34] <esx2> There are also spaces in both the author and title.
[15:34] <aladdin> adamk, thanks
[15:35] <aladdin> Eagleman, okay, this is strange to my understand :)
[15:35] <aladdin> adamk, why use "&&" in between? ]
[15:36] <kostkon> aladdin, you concatenate commands that way
[15:36] <Ogham_> bekks, zykotick9, adamk_, mini.iso does not have the jmicron (jme) module either!?!?!!!
[15:36] <Ogham_> AAarrrgh!
[15:36] <t_rakowski> any one knows if multi touch screen is supported by ubuntu ?
[15:38] <zykotick9> Ogham_: sorry.  that sucks.  best of luck.
[15:38] <Ogham_> zykotick9: you can say that again! Considering the desktop install does have it! Cheers :)
[15:39] <adamk_> Sullane, What problem are you having?
[15:42] <Sullane> Can anyone help me with a driver installation?
[15:42] <csst0111> I just installed GParted but doesn't let me use most options ( like 'check' I want to use on /home partition )
[15:43] <adamk_> Sullane, Again, what problem are you having?
[15:43] <Sullane> I was told on the AMD website to use this command:
[15:44] <Sullane> sh ./ati-driver-installer-x86.x86_64.run
[15:44] <aladdin> kostkon, making great sense. thanks :)
[15:44] <Sullane> but I keep getting this error
[15:44] <Sullane> sh ./ati-driver-installer-x86.x86_64.run
[15:44] <docmur> Okay so I tried forcing my router into N only mode and my wireless card couldn't connect,  so I ran sudo lshw -C network and this is the details of my wireless card.  http://pastebin.com/0SsuzRTc,  it supports N.  SO now I'm stuck if I should just go get a new wireless card or not, I can't run a wired connection to the router like I would like, also the wireless card doesn't support dual band
[15:44] <Ari-Yang> Sullane, fglrx drivers are horrible.
[15:44] <adamk_> Sullane, Is there some reason you are not using the version packaged by/for Ubuntu?
[15:44] <Sullane> oops wrong copy paste
[15:45] <Ari-Yang> @ Sullane https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Installing_upstream_drivers_directly_from_AMD.27s_website
[15:45] <Sullane> I don't know but I just downloaded Ubuntu today
[15:45] <Ari-Yang> Sullane, open source drivers are better
[15:45] <adamk_> Sullane, What video card do you have?
[15:45] <Sullane> and ever since then my laptop has been hotter so I'm assuming it's using the better of my graphics cards (switchable graphics)
[15:45] <Ari-Yang> the default, again, the amd/ati proprietary ones aren't good at all.
[15:45] <Sullane> Radeon HD 7xxx I believe
[15:46] <Sullane> can't figure out where to check
[15:46] <Ari-Yang> Sullane, that link will help you....
[15:46] <Ari-Yang> I just linked
[15:46] <Sullane> also have some integrated graphics card in here too
[15:46] <OerHeks> lspci | grep -i VGA
[15:46] <adamk_> Sullane, Depending on your specific laptop, you may only be able to use the integrated GPU.  Switchable graphics is hit-or-miss.
[15:46] <Sullane> I am now checking out that website. Thank you
[15:47] <Sullane> Eh so there is no fix for it?
[15:48] <adamk_> Sullane, As I said, it's hit-or-miss.  Install the drivers the proper way and see if they work.
[15:48] <Sullane> okay
[15:48] <Ari-Yang> but I'm telling you, don't expect it to be great
[15:48] <Ari-Yang> fglrx is horrible =/
[15:49] <cheebs_> Hello guys, I'm trying to fix a problem I'm having with my Elantech Touchpad.   I have the synaptics driver installed, but my device identifier looks like "PS/2 Elantech Touchpad", and I think it's being recognized as a 2-button mouse instead of a touchpad..
[15:49] <Sullane> Sorry for being pretty ignorant here. I've never used linux before
[15:50] <Sullane> don't really understand anything. even the terminal stuff
[15:50] <Ari-Yang> you're not being ignorant at all...
[15:50] <Ari-Yang> oh
[15:50] <adamk_> And fglrx isn't as horrible as some make it out to be :-)
[15:50] <Ari-Yang> well then just google for terminal ubuntu commands
[15:50] <Ari-Yang> !terminal
[15:50] <Sullane> Yeah I have no clue what fglrx is in the first place :P
[15:51] <adamk_> Sullane, fglrx is the proprietary driver AMD develops.
[15:51] <Sullane> ohhh
[15:51] <Ari-Yang> Sullane, http://gyazo.com/bbcb6b1dba1a4cb5a63ee30dcfb7b692
[15:51] <Ari-Yang> what adamk_ said
[15:51] <Sullane> so should I just use the x.org thing?
[15:51] <Ari-Yang> yes
[15:51] <Ari-Yang> which is default
[15:52] <Ari-Yang> Sullane, go to software sources and go to the 'Additional Drivers' tab
[15:52] <adamk_> Sullane, Entirely up to you. If you are able to do what you want with the current drivers, then there isn't much reason to change, is there?
[15:52] <Sullane> mhmm
[15:52] <Ari-Yang> does yours look like mine?
[15:52] <Sullane> true
[15:52] <Sullane> I changed to the second option earlier
[15:52] <Sullane> but I didn't really know what I was doing
[15:53] <Ari-Yang> Sullane, I suggest you try the proprietary drivers, if you don't like it, simply switch back.
[15:53] <Ari-Yang> installing it will take a few min.
[15:53] <Sullane> my computer hasn't been so heated up when I was using windows so I figured something was wrong with the grpahics
[15:53] <Sullane> okay
[15:53] <Ari-Yang> took me 8min to install flgrx on my laptop, then I just switched back to open source because I got loads of tearing lol
[15:55] <cri> ciao
[15:55] <cri> ciao XD
[15:55]  * cri caffè time
[15:59] <TheStefan12345> Hell loo!
[15:59] <noob680> hi. if i have win7 and ubuntu installed on my comp and i get a virus/malware/etc in windows, can i still use ubuntu and access my data?
[16:00] <TheStefan12345> Yep
[16:00] <cYanide> hey i'm on 12.04 and i need gtk+-3.0 >= 3.6.0 but version of GTK+ is 3.4 right now
[16:00] <cYanide> need it to build rhythmbox
[16:00] <Sullane> having a bit of trouble with the download but heh
[16:00] <cYanide> any clue how to do this?
[16:01] <Sullane> er installation, but I'll figure it out
[16:01] <TheStefan12345> man, this is THE ugly font! I'm using mIRC…
[16:01] <Ari-Yang> @ noob680 there are antiviruses for ubuntu
[16:01] <Ari-Yang> !antivirus
[16:02] <noob680> will i be able to reinstall win7 without changing ubuntu install? or do i have to backup data then reinstall both?
[16:02] <quem> "It seems the Chicago Sun-Times is counting on its remaining employees to become mobile photographers. After laying off its entire 28-person photography staff yesterday, the newspaper has announced mandatory training for remaining employees on 'iPhone photography basics'."
[16:02] <bazhang> !ot | quem
[16:03] <quem> bazhang: yeah.. wrong channel, i just realised.
[16:05] <Sullane> Oh yay I finally got the installation to work. Thanks
[16:08] <jacklk> Sullane: gaygaygaygaygayagaygaygaygaygaygaygaygaygaygaygay
[16:09] <walltender>  Help !!! http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/77945/what-prevents-my-system-from-shutting-down
[16:13] <Ari-Yang> how do I set the cpu governor in terminal?
[16:13] <YokoBR> hey guys, i have two files on /var/www that i can't chmod'em. i've tryied to stop apache, but didn't worked
[16:14] <Ari-Yang> I know that cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/scaling_governor displays what the governor is set to, but how do I change it again?
[16:14] <noob680> hi. if i have a dual boot setup with win7 64bit and ubuntu and my windows gets infected with a virus/malware/etc, can i reinstall windows only without altering the ubuntu install and my data? or do i have to backup data then reinstall both win7 and ubuntu?
[16:16] <adamk_> If you know what you are doing, you can reinstall windows without touching the Ubuntu partition.
[16:16] <adamk_> noob680, However, you might also be able to just use an antivirus program on linux to scan the windows partition.
[16:17] <MonkeyDust> noob680  did you install ubuntu inside windows, with wubi?
[16:17] <adamk_> Oh, good point...  I always forget about wubi.
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> adamk_  know thyne enemy!
[16:18] <Ari-Yang> I used WUBI to make the ubuntu usb installer
[16:18] <faye> thine?
[16:19] <noob680> its actually just a hypothetical. i am building a desktop that i want to install dual boot with grub. i have a remote job where i might have to browse malicious websites. i have to use windows and a special software so i can't work in ubuntu. so im just wondering
[16:19] <python|pi> is it safe to set up ssh on another port other than 22 or is port 22 the magic of encryption and not the ssh program.
[16:20] <adamk_> noob680, My suggestion would be to setup Windows in a virtual machine.  That way you can sandbox it easily, take a snapshot of a clean version, and easily restore from the snapshot.
[16:20] <jrib> python|pi: it's safe if you want to do that
[16:21] <python|pi> thanks
[16:21] <Ruiseart> python|pi:  You can set any port for ssh.
[16:21] <noob680> adamk_, ok i think i will. never done that before. is it pretty involved? does my comp performance suffer much?
[16:21] <jrib> aladdin: -- tells the command that what comes after is not a switch for the program and should be taken literally
[16:22] <faye> has anyone successfully set up softimage 2014 or any other on ubuntu 13.04 or any other?
[16:22] <adamk_> noob680, Depends on how good the computer is, and the version of Windows you go with.  I frequently run Adobe CS in Vista via VirtualBox and vmware player without real issues.
[16:22] <MonkeyDust> faye  any other on any other, that's rather vague
[16:22] <lasindi> Hi all, how do I disable compiz in Ubuntu 13.04? I have an application in Wine that I think isn't drawing widgets properly because of it and I want to try a non-3D window manager.
[16:23] <adamk_> lasindi, Install openbox and select it on the login screen.
[16:23] <faye> i'm sorry. what i mean is i'm trying to install autodesk softimage 2014 on ubuntu 13.04 and want to know if anyone has done so. but if nobody has, i would also be glad to know of anyone that has set up any softimage on any ubuntu
[16:24] <lasindi> adamk_, okay, so there isn't just a one-liner I can use without relogging in? I have to install a new window manager?
[16:24] <MonkeyDust> !find softimage
[16:24] <auronandace> faye: sounds like windows software, ask in #winehq
[16:24] <adamk_> lasindi, Actually, you might be able to just disable compositing via ccsm...
[16:24] <noob680> adamk_, i have an amd 4.2ghz quad core/8gb ram and want to use win7 64bit. so do i install win7 and ubuntu and grub then setup virtual machine? or i install virtual machine from the beginning
[16:25] <faye> no. i'm trying to install autodesk 2014 linux x64 version
[16:25] <docmur> I have a wirless card that is I think 2 years old.  When ever I try to  transfer files to my server I get a TOPS speed of 1.5MB/s.   I thought  the issue might be the router (EA3500) so I turned off mixed mode and  enabled N only mode, the card couldn't even connect to the wirelss.  Now  the card runs the ATH9k chipset and supports 802.11 (a)b/g/n, but clearly
[16:25] <docmur>  isn't workng N mode.  So my options try  to fix this card or just buy a  new one, any ideas?
[16:25] <adamk_> noob680, You install Ubuntu (grub will be installed by default).  Setup the entire hard disk to use Ubuntu (assuming there is nothing else on it already).  Then install vmware player or virtualbox and use one of those to create a Windows 7 VM.
[16:26] <adamk_> noob680, Make sure your CPU supports hardware virtualization, and that it's enabled in the BIOS...
[16:26] <adamk_> noob680, Oh wait, actually, I believe all 64-bit AMD CPUs support that these days.
[16:26] <faye> MonkeyDust: what do you mean "!find softimage"?
[16:26] <MonkeyDust> faye  is that autodesk homestyler?
[16:27] <python|pi> I don't see any way to restart my ssh service ssh isn't in /etc/init.d/ ubuntu 12.10
[16:27] <faye> no. autodesk softimage 2014 is available for 64 bit linux, but only supported for redhat and fedora
[16:27] <noob680> adamk_, ok cool. hope its not easy to mess up doing that. so the virtual machine will have all the functionality of a regular windows install?
[16:27] <hedin> I have installed "virtual machine host" and virtual machine manager on 2 ubuntu-12.04 desktop computers, they are on the same network and I have installed a VM on one of them, then when I try to migrate the VM, I get access denied, I suspect it's because /var/lib/libvirt/images is owned by root:root on both systems, instead of libvirtd or something like that... Any suggestions?
[16:27] <nrdb> how can I change the window move button from the <alt> key to the <window> key?
[16:28] <faye> its the same for maya 2014 and mudbox 2014 (redhat/fedora only) but i was able to easily write up scripts to install both of them
[16:28] <noob680> adamk_, so i dont have to bother to enable in BIOS then?
[16:28] <nrdb> or something else from the <alt> key?
[16:28] <Ari-Yang> is there any advantage of setting diff cpu cores to diff governors?
[16:28] <sssstavr> is there a way to install OSX on ubuntu with a CPU that does not support VT?
[16:28] <Ari-Yang> like setting core 1 to ondemand and setting core 4 to conservative?
[16:29] <adamk_> noob680, Not really sure...  The hardware will support the necessary features, but they could be turned off in the BIOS, I guess.  That would strike me as odd...  Possible but odd.  Unless you are doing something with 3D acceleration, I don't see any reason why Windows in a VM wouldn't work for you.
[16:29] <noob680> adamk_, ok, sounds good. thanks for your advice! wish me luck!
[16:30] <faye> MonkeyDust: what do you mean "!find softimage"?
[16:30] <Dartoper> I'm having Win7/Ubuntu dual boot issues
[16:30] <auronandace> noob680: virtualisation features of a cpu usually need to be activated in the bios first
[16:30] <Dartoper> anyone have experience with that?
[16:30] <kostkon> noob680, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vmx
[16:31] <kostkon> noob680, is it an intel cpu?
[16:31] <noob680> kostkon, no its amd
[16:31] <kostkon> noob680, then cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep svm
[16:32] <noob680> kostkon, sry idk what that means
[16:32] <starter> hi
[16:32] <kostkon> noob680, if you see that cpu flag it highlighted after you give the command, it means it's already on
[16:33] <kostkon> minus it*
[16:33] <Ari-Yang> is there any advantage of setting diff cpu cores to diff governors? for e.g. setting cpu core 1 to performance and setting core 2 to ondemand
[16:33] <noob680> kostkon, oh ok. thx i'll write that down. i actually havent even setup my comp yet :P
[16:33] <faye> anybody: what is "!find" ?
[16:34] <kostkon> noob680, ok
[16:35] <noob680> just wondering, can i setup my comp first with a regular win7 install and ubuntu with grub then setup a virtual machine thing separately?
[16:36] <faye> maybe a better question, does anybody know somewhere i might be able to find anyone that could help me set up any linux version of autodesk softimage on any version of ubuntu?
[16:37] <lasindi> Wow, okay disabling compositing really screwed up Unity.
[16:38] <BluesKaj_> noob680, virtul machine runs a sa guest OS on a hostr OS , it's not a separate partition , if that's what you mean.
[16:38] <lasindi> adamk_, when I did it I had to disable a bunch of other things and I ended up with a blank screen. I guess Ubuntu doesn't have any other window manager besides compiz as a fallback (installed by default)?
[16:38]  * BluesKaj_ cleans crumbs out of the KB
[16:39] <adamk_> lasindi, I honestly don't know what other window managers Ubuntu installs by default, if any :-)
[16:39] <noob680> BluesKaj_, not necessarily. i just have a bunch of hardware that i fear might have driver issues if i dont install a regular version of windows so i want a win7 64bit/ubuntu with grub setup but i would like to try using a virtual machine thing too
[16:41] <adamk_> noob680, FYI, but vmware player and virtualbox support USB passthrough, so any USB devices can be used directly by the VM.  PCI devices are another matter entirely.
[16:42] <BluesKaj_> noob680, I'm running W7 on VirtualBox with guest additions on Kubuntu host ...quite seemless between OSs
[16:42] <BluesKaj_> err seamless
[16:43] <faye> anybody, please? i need it for school and i cant get fedora to run on my computer :(
[16:43] <BluesKaj_> pci drivers like nvidia graphics can't be instralled on VB , noob680 , VB supplies it's own driver
[16:44] <BluesKaj_> faye, join #fedora
[16:44] <faye> but i dont have fedora
[16:44] <BluesKaj_> they will tell you to installit , faye
[16:45] <BluesKaj_> how to
[16:45] <faye> i have ubuntu and thats why i need help. if fedora would run on my laptop i could setup softimage but it wont and i have everything else already set up with ubuntu
[16:45] <noob680> what exactly do i need to setup the virtual machine? i have a usb stick with win7 on it that i was going to install with. this comp doesnt have an optical drive. i can setup virtual machine with this win7 usb stick that was meant for a regular install?
[16:45] <Green_Geeky_Dude> <- puts head in hands and goes for a coffee
[16:46] <faye> honestly what i want is to be able to use debian, but it wont work on my laptop either, but thats not my issue right now. i just want to be able to use softimage so i dont fail my classes
[16:47] <BluesKaj_> faye, then setup a partition for fedora with gparted live media , burn the fedora image to media and install fedora on the new partition
[16:48] <adamk_> faye, If no one here is familiar with softimage, no one can really advise you on it.
[16:48] <BluesKaj_> noob680, that should work
[16:48] <noob680> BluesKaj_, cool thanks!
[16:49] <faye> BluesKaj_ i dont have a lot of space to do something like that. i'd have to reformat my whole computer because of how i set up my partitions 3 years ago, and i dont want to lose my files either
[16:49] <Znoosey> faye, have you tried this: http://www.getsetdata.com/finally-softimage-running-on-ubuntu/
[16:49] <BluesKaj_> noob680, don't forget to download the guest additions iso image for VB drivers and access to ubuntu folders
[16:50] <faye> adamk_ i know you're right, but theres so many ppl here i hoped maybe someone was familiar and just hadnt spoke up
[16:50] <lasindi> adamk_, Do you know any simple way to disable compositing that won't cause all kinds of problems? I think you're right that's what I want, but doing it through ccsm basically made my computer unusable.
[16:50] <faye> Znoosey i saw that on google, but i always get error 403 when trying to look at it
[16:50] <noob680> BluesKaj_, ok...man i hope this isnt something that is easily messed up while trying....i am a noob after all
[16:50] <adamk_> lasindi, All I can suggest is installing another window manager.
[16:55] <javier_> exit
[16:57] <Strulker_> Greetings. The Ubntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander is already stable? Is update daily?
[16:58] <DJones> Strulker_: Its not released until October, so not stable, quite likely to have breakages, best channel to ask is in #ubuntu+1
[16:59] <Strulker_> DJones: Ok. Thank you. So, I'll choose Mint 15 KDE until then.
[16:59] <docmur> Does the DWA-182 work on Ubuntu
[16:59] <Strulker_> Whos is using 13.04?
[17:00] <Strulker_> who*
[17:00] <faye> i am
[17:00] <friking> not me. 12.04 LTS
[17:00] <Strulker_> Anybody is using ubuntu 13.04?
[17:01] <faye> Strulker_ i am
[17:01] <Strulker_> faye: So, what do you thing about it?
[17:02] <faye> Strulker_ i think its pretty buggy and crashes a bit, gnome runs slower than in previous version, driver issues for hp tm2_2050us still arent fixed, and login screen crashes occasionally, but ubuntu base is updated frequently, and it seems to run a little better after each update
[17:04] <Strulker_> I already liked Ubuntu. No offense, but, I do not want anymore because its a little unstable. A beautiful O.S. When became most Stable I'll choose it.
[17:04] <Strulker_> Good luck guys.
[17:05] <Sullane> Is there a way to revert all changes on Ubuntu from command line?
[17:05] <Sullane> my GUI is not showing up... and I am not good enough at this stuff to do anything from command line
[17:05] <Strulker_> Sullane: I suppose that you have to reinsert the live cd and reinstall.
[17:05] <faye> Strulker_ if you want more stable try lts version?
[17:05] <Sullane> it's not booting from the live CD
[17:05] <Sullane> D:
[17:05] <Sullane> don't know how to get to bios
[17:05] <Sullane> either
[17:06] <Strulker_> faye: Ok. Maybe in the next year so.
[17:06] <seronis> Sullane:  bios on computers i have owned has been F1 F2 F8 F10 or the 'delete' key
[17:06] <Sullane> I even tried to put windows in my computer just to get it to boot from disk
[17:06] <seronis> just randomly push all 5 as its booting
[17:06] <Strulker_> Sullane: Press 'esc'
[17:06] <faye> Strulker_ or rather, if you have well tested hardware, try debian, since ubuntu is deabian unstable fork by canonical
[17:07] <Sullane> Oh it hit bios. no clue which button it was though
[17:08] <Strulker_> faye: I know. I like Mint KDE. Its debian / ubuntu based and pretty stable and beautiful, funtional. I have Slack - kde in dual boot. I like try lots O.S.
[17:09] <faye> Strulker_ lol i was about to say if you're good with computers, slackware is as beautiful and stable as you make it :P
[17:10] <Strulker_> faye: Yes. I know. I liked since installed. A complete and stable system.
[17:11] <faye> Strulker_ i never tried mint, but i read good things about it. only problems i have with slackware are kde default instead of gnome and have to compile everything myself. no time for that now. or maybe just too lazy hehe
[17:13] <Strulker_> faye: You must try. Know them. KDE isn't hard or complex. Its complete. Personable and very fast.
[17:13] <Strulker_> faye: Mint too..
[17:14] <Sullane> Ubuntu's not detecting any screens on my computer D: no GUI
[17:15] <Strulker_> faye: Good luck. I have to go.
[17:18] <Crosant> i have installed ubuntu 13.04 but i cant move my mouse or even use my keyboard
[17:19] <faye> Sullane you have tty? if so, try "DISPLAY=:0 startx"?
[17:19] <Sullane> tty?
[17:19] <Guest2158> i have a Fujitsu Esprimo v5545 i think it is a Radeon graphics adapter on it but no proprietary driver show up in the list
[17:19] <Sullane> and that didn't work
[17:20] <faye> a virtual terminal prompt. black screen and white text?
[17:20] <Guest2158> grapgics is slow and i need a proper driver
[17:20] <adamk_> Guest2158, what's the output of 'lspci | grep -i vga'?
[17:20] <faye> oh. sry.
[17:20] <Sullane> i downloaded the amd catalyst thing and ever since then ubuntu hasn't shown me a gui
[17:21] <Guest2158> adamk: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV610/M72-S [Mobility Radeon HD 2400]
[17:21] <Ferver> Hello, could someone help me? Following a Shift in 13.04 he can not start my session. I enter my pwd, black screen, a moment and return to the page log
[17:21] <faye> oh. i can't really help... i avoid ati graphics cards like the plague
[17:21] <Guest2158> adamk_: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV610/M72-S [Mobility Radeon HD 2400]
[17:22] <Crosant> i have installed ubuntu 13.04 but i cant move my mouse or even use my keyboard
[17:23] <adamk_> Guest2158, AMD dropped support for that GPU from their latest proprietary drivers. You can either use the open source drivers that are installed by default (what I would recommend) or you can use the legacy drivers from AMD, which require downgrading all of Xorg.  There is a PPA for the latter option.
[17:23] <Ferver> Please
[17:26] <qwebirc87524> IMPORTANT question: if i install ubuntu on UEFI Laptop with windows 8 in Dualboot. Where to Install the Bootloader? in SDA, SDA2(win8 loader) or create another EFI Partition?
[17:27] <earc> Hi, I just installed ubuntu dual booting with windows and it all went fine, except i can't see my 1TB drive. When i do fdisk -l i get this: http://pastebin.com/JyJ570fx
[17:27] <DarkAceLaptop> why does the flash player play sounds a second on behind?
[17:28] <adamk_> earc, What do you mean it doesn't see your 1TB drive?  It's clearly listed there in fdisk.
[17:29] <earc> adamk_, i dont see it in the file explorer
[17:33] <sharpie> Need fix for blacksreen with mouse after login.
[17:33] <earc> adamk_, it gives that GPT message
[17:33] <c2tarun> Hi friends, my room-mate purchased a new ACER laptop today. Laptop don't have any operating system. I created 4 partitions and installed Ubuntu 13.04 in second partition. Installation went successfully. But on rebooting I am getting message "Operating System Not found". I tried to boot in by live CD and install grub, still its not working.
[17:33] <c2tarun> Can anyone please help me?
[17:34] <IdleOne> c2tarun: you are installing grub to /dev/sda
[17:34] <IdleOne> ?
[17:35] <c2tarun> IdleOne, yup I mounted /dev/sda2 (it has linux) to /mnt and then I executed "sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sda
[17:36] <c2tarun> IdleOne, do you think installing Ubuntu 12.04.2 will be any different?
[17:36] <MikeChelen> anyone know how i can install deprecated High Contrast Inverse theme? http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/gnome_3/quantal/main/base/gnome-accessibility-themes
[17:36] <IdleOne> c2tarun: give this a try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[17:39] <adamk_> earc, Sorry, I know nothing about gpt. I was just pointing out that the 1TB drive is showing up :-)
[17:40] <ks_> how do I start gnome gui on remote machine without logging in? I've googled and found something about non-interactive mode. All I need is my remote machine to run Firefox without me logging in through xrdp.
[17:40] <Guest2158> adamk_: i fell out due to bad inet connection i think. have you got my message?
[17:40] <c2tarun> IdleOne, I just formatted the pendrive and make it bootable for Ubuntu 12.04, can I use this to fix boot problem of 13.04?
[17:41] <adamk_> Guest2158, AMD dropped support for that GPU from their latest proprietary drivers. You can either use the open source drivers that are installed by default (what I would recommend) or you can use the legacy drivers from AMD, which require downgrading all of Xorg.  There is a PPA for the latter option.
[17:41] <Guest2158> what is the clutter regarding downgrading?
[17:42] <shotcaller> how can i backup code on an ubuntu server?
[17:43] <IdleOne> c2tarun: I am not sure about that, it might work.
[17:43] <adamk_> Guest2158, I don't understand that question...  "clutter"?
[17:43] <Guest2158> will it b ring trouble?
[17:44] <Guest2158> what are the disadvantages?
[17:44] <adamk_> Guest2158, It might, I guess.  I've never done it. I know there are a number of people who have downgraded Xorg and happily use the legacy version of fglrx, though.
[17:45] <gh1234> shotcaller: depends, you could mirror your harddrive or just copy the files manually to another place or use tools like rsync... What exactly do you want to backup and how often? ;)
[17:45] <Guest2158> where do i find a proper guide for this?
[17:46] <shotcaller> gh1234, i want to backup a cakephp project once
[17:46] <rampage73> shotcaller, you could also use something like OwnCloud. Kind of like ubuntuone but runs on your servers and clients.
[17:47] <adamk_> Guest2158, https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/fglrx
[17:47] <adamk_> Guest2158, Don't ask me for help if you run into problems :-)
[17:47] <gh1234> shotcaller: Well the easiest way would be to download your files using FTP and create a backup of your Database (assuming you use mysql you can create a backup using mysqldump)
[17:48] <Guest2158> adamk_: ok thanks
[17:50] <cheebs_> Hey guys, I'm having some trouble with my Elantech Touchpad.  It seems to be recognized only as a PS/2 Mouse.  I have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed as well as tpconfig.  My xorg.conf is empty.  What steps should I take first to try and solve this?
[17:53] <giuseppe1> hi all i don't know how but my keylayout is changed and if i type sudo loadkeys it i don't solve any recommend?
[17:53] <jrib> giuseppe1: you want to change your layout in X?
[17:53] <krovn> what does a swap have for function inside a extended partition?
[17:54] <giuseppe1> jrib: i want my layout in italy
[17:54] <giuseppe1> italien
[17:54] <Rallias> Besides language-pack-en-base and linux, what do I need to install extra on a debootstrap-created system to make it bootable?
[17:56] <mehrdad4all> hi
[17:57] <mehrdad4all> hi
[17:57] <mehrdad4all> hi again
[17:57] <jotaxpe> hi
[17:57] <mehrdad4all> i am new with ubuntu and need help...
[17:58] <seronis> !ask | mehrdad4all
[17:59] <MonkeyDust> mehrdad4all  let's hear it
[17:59] <c2tarun> IdleOne, its done, problem was with efi boot. I found help here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[17:59] <mehrdad4all> my fan is always on in ubuntu 13.04, what should i do?
[17:59] <mehrdad4all> it works well in windows
[17:59] <m0nk3yjoe>  How to I permanantly disable a service in Ubuntu from starting up?  Like chkconfig
[18:00] <nicekiwi_> my remote server is online, but i cant ssh into it or ping it, ubuntu 12.04 64bit, what could cause that??
[18:00] <Shariff> Where does NetworkManager store the information about network connections - it is not /etc/networking/interfaces
[18:00] <Rallias> m0nk3yjoe, update-rc.d
[18:01] <MonkeyDust> m0nk3yjoe  use Startup Applications
[18:01] <m0nk3yjoe> Rallias, Update-rc.d doesnt seem to work as Ubuntu has moved from Init scripts to upstart
[18:01] <Rallias> hrm...
[18:02] <mehrdad4all> MonkeyDust: do you have any idea?
[18:02] <m0nk3yjoe> I'm looking for the CLI way. =) Like chkconfig on RHEL
[18:02] <m0nk3yjoe> I used it before but can't seem to find the right answer via Google
[18:03] <Rallias> From my googling, it looks like "echo 'manual' > /etc/init/service.override"
[18:03] <mehrdad4all> my laptop is dell 1555 with radeon 4570 graphic card
[18:03] <IdleOne> c2tarun: happy you got it sorted :)
[18:03] <Rallias> So like disable mysql, do "echo 'manual' > /etc/init/mysql.override"
[18:05] <Beltechs> Hi Im using 10.04 i seem to have hosed the mail box. Im working with a cron.php file if I run as root it appears to work but no email. if I run as user I get a permissions error. When can I find, or get Verbose from running cron.php as root?
[18:06] <MonkeyDust> mehrdad4all  no idea
[18:07] <MonkeyDust> !10.04 | Beltechs
[18:07] <Beltechs> perfect
[18:08] <mehrdad4all> MonkeyDust: right now cpu and grahic card's temperature is 79 and 87
[18:08] <linuxtech> Did you try looking in syslog?
[18:08] <Beltechs> hands face
[18:08] <MonkeyDust> mehrdad4all  no idea, needless to highlight me
[18:09] <raidghost> What tool do you recommand for record typos (like if you want to put everything that happends during a install of something into whathappend-during-install.txt ?
[18:09] <Beltechs> so u recommend I do the upgrade script? every 10.04 that I tried it on broke... twas easier just to reinstall 10.04...
[18:10] <raidghost> So if the installer says error something, its possible to take a look in the .txt file.
[18:11] <jacksonka> I am Running Ubuntu 12.04 on HPM110g6 on static ip address assigned by provider.  I would like to install Jabber2 starttls on port 5222 with MYSQL database.  Has anyone done something like this before?
[18:12] <MonkeyDust> Beltechs  backup and fresh install
[18:12] <sw> hi. how can I restore all the /etc/pam.d/common-* config files to their defaults?
[18:12] <jacksonka> I am Running Ubuntu 12.04 on HPM110g6 on static ip address assigned by provider.  I would like to install Jabber2 starttls on port 5222 with MYSQL database.  Has anyone done something like this before?
[18:12] <jacksonka> Steps I have completed.
[18:12] <jacksonka> 1) sudo apt-get install jabberd2
[18:12] <jacksonka> 2)  ?
[18:13] <FloodBot1> jacksonka: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:13] <sw> or, can someone paste them?
[18:13] <jacksonka> Thanks
[18:13] <Beltechs> then I should install 12.04server? Im really learning to get away from the gui.... I started learning in the gui...
[18:14] <ThinkT510> Beltechs: 10.04 is still supported on the server
[18:14] <MonkeyDust> Beltechs  but if you plan to fresh install, might as well install 12.04, it's newer
[18:16] <MonkeyDust> the next LTS wil be 14.04
[18:16] <Beltechs> well when i bumped into the end of life for desktop 2 weeks ago... I thought about 12.04 because I didnt know when I would run into eol for another distro
[18:16] <jacksonka> Is Ubuntu a tech channel?
[18:16] <MonkeyDust> jacksonka  support channel
[18:17] <ThinkT510> jacksonka: this is a support channel
[18:17] <jacksonka> thanks
[18:18] <Beltechs> so I should build a LAMP 12.04 and back up and restore mysql databases and www from the 10.04 server to the new 12.04. Does this sound like the correct procedure or am I looking at something like migration script?
[18:18] <jacksonka> k.  yes
[18:18] <MonkeyDust> Beltechs  there's also #ubuntu-server
[18:19] <jacksonka> OH
[18:19] <jacksonka> Ok I will add #Ubuntu server
[18:19] <m0nk3yjoe> Rallias, Thanks I now understand more about upstart!  =)
[18:21] <behar> hi, I've  installed ubuntu on my system, but It was not possible to install grub, now I have booted with a live cd and want to install it also I am using Windows 8 so I want to dualboot it
[18:21] <lunaphyte> hi.  how can i [from a shell] list installed packages and include information [e.g. the name] of the repository from which they came?
[18:21] <ThinkT510> !uefi | behar
[18:22] <lunaphyte> more specifically, i'd like to list all installed packages from "non-default" repositories
[18:22] <blues_> question: installing an intel nic card into my ubuntu server that i'd like to dedicate to handling traffic between another box that acts as a storage box.  I'll have 2 nics in the system.  Setup the network facing nic as 10.10.10.3  and the nic for storage traffic as 10.10.11.2.  Storage box has 2 nics as well, network facing is 10.10.10.2 and nic for storage share is 10.10.11.1.  Question is, how do i make sure that
[18:22] <blues_> NFS traffic is routed across that dedicated link?
[18:23] <blues_> the storage box and the ubuntu server are connected directly, no switch... their network facing ports feed into switch
[18:24] <lunaphyte> blues_: just use the desired ip address.
[18:24] <m0nk3yjoe> I disabled cups in upstart but I still see /usr/sbin/cups-browsed  Anyone know what that is?
[18:25] <lunaphyte> blues_: if, from 10.10.11.2, you talk to 10.10.11.1, then traffic will use the link between those two interfaces.
[18:26] <m0nk3yjoe> Uggghhh  never mind.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/cups-browsed
[18:26] <blues_> lunaphyte : yeah, after i wrote that out i had a "duh" moment
[18:29] <CNF_> Hi! I've a folder containing 200 text files which I want to rename to *.txt (adding file extention). I'm not able to understand how to perform the operation with rename command
[18:30] <CNF_> Can anyone guide me on the same?
[18:30] <MonkeyDust> CNF_  it's with for blah in etc, better ask in #bash
[18:30] <MonkeyDust> CNF_  it's called "bulk rename"
[18:31] <CNF_> "it's with for blah in etc"?
[18:31] <lunaphyte> he's asking about the rename command...
[18:31] <CNF_> Yes, bulk rename
[18:32] <MonkeyDust> CNF_  it's bash syntax "for ... in ... do ...",  but better ask the people in #bash
[18:32] <CNF_> Ah
[18:32] <CNF_> Okay, thanks
[18:32] <lunaphyte> e.g. rename * *.txt
[18:32] <lunaphyte> but that's assuming you're using the actual rename command.
[18:33] <lunaphyte> if you're not, and you want to do it manually with a shell script, then yes, you'll need to use a loop
[18:34] <CNF_> lunaphyte:  I checked manual for rename, it gives examples like -  rename 's/\.bak$//' *.bak , rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' * ... etc. man rename
[18:36] <th0r> CNF_: don't know if it is applicable, but there is a bulk rename built into Thunar in xfce
[18:40] <zheoffec> hi
[18:40] <lunaphyte> CNF_: right.
[18:42] <CNF_> thor_: Yes, thanks
[18:50] <fwaokda> my icons in the launcher are all greyed out except for my documents icon... how can i fix this?
[18:53] <Freefall_> hello
[18:53] <Freefall_> is anyone out there willing to troubleshoot a little problem of mine for LTC
[18:55] <Freefall_> i am a reasonable man
[18:55] <Freefall_> i make 20 bucks an hour
[18:55] <ThinkT510> Freefall_: if i knew how to help you i would
[18:55] <th0r> Freefall_: you would stand a better chance if you told us what you want
[18:56] <Freefall_> well, i need my sapphire 6850 recognised
[18:56] <Freefall_> ..on snow leopard
[18:56] <ThinkT510> Freefall_: thats got nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:56] <Freefall_> i use ubuntu primarily
[18:58] <ThinkT510> Freefall_: and how is that at all relevant?
[18:59] <Freefall_> well you guys know the code
[18:59] <Freefall_> help me help you
[18:59] <adamk_> Errr...  Snow Leopard has nothing to do with Ubuntu...  Not even remotely similar.
[19:00] <Freefall_> guess someone else will get the LTC i offer after all
[19:00] <Freefall_> have a good one
[19:01] <Matthew_Moore> Dose anyone how to get the Compiz-plugins-extra package in 13.04?  Its synaptic it only give me a dummy package
[19:01] <Mert> use software sources and enable universe
[19:02] <Matthew_Moore> universe for compiz-extra?  ok i try it
[19:03] <modernbob> is it still possible to do a distro upgrade through apt-get and not sump your current setup or is this a bad idea
[19:03] <dequeued> All I have is an old Ubuntu 9 install CD, and I need use it to recover some files off an ancient laptop
[19:03] <dequeued> it only has 128M of ram and can't boot the gui
[19:03] <Matthew_Moore> Its already enabled. thats not the answer.  :/
[19:04] <ThinkT510> dequeued: i'd use partedmagic livecd
[19:04] <dequeued> I'm trying to boot into single user mode, but, I need to be able to access the usb subsystem so I can mount a hard drive and image it
[19:04] <dequeued> ThinkT510, I acutally can't do that
[19:04] <mert> okay then try sudo apt-get install compiz-plugins-*
[19:04] <dequeued> I don't have access to any blank CDs where I am, so I can only boot off of this one ubuntu install cd
[19:04] <dequeued> and the computer in question has no ethernet card
[19:05] <ThinkT510> dequeued: too old to boot from usb too?
[19:05] <lork> been having an issue w/ Libreoffice 3.5.7.2 in Precise -- I open a document, LO immediately closes.  Any help?
[19:05] <dequeued> yes
[19:05] <dequeued> It's from 2000
[19:05] <dequeued> But its hard drive is only 8G so I can just image it onto a jumpdrive
[19:05] <dequeued> what service do I start so that I can mount a usb hard drive
[19:07] <cnu> which one is better, Hadoop with Hive or Hadoop with Mongodb or Hadoop with HBase. My requirement is i want to do some analytics over big data and come out with graphs.
[19:07] <Dr_willis> thats sort of 'vague' requirements. :) if both can do that job.
[19:08] <mert> @Matthew_Moore, i have just installed them into my 13.04 amd64 today... (4hrs ago)
[19:08] <datasmith> Hi - How do I get the number of pacakages that need to be updated?
[19:09] <Dr_willis> if you login at the console. it shows that info. via a script from somthing in /etc/  i forget the name of the command however.
[19:10] <cnu> My system has Intel Pentium Dual core running at 2GHz. I've installed ubuntu 13.04 two days back. I'm feeling slow response from system. when i click on icon on launch bar it takes some 15 seconds to open...
[19:11] <MonkeyDust> cnu  install preload, for a start
[19:12] <datasmith> Dr-willis - login at console?  Do you mean open a terminal?
[19:12] <Dr_willis> datasmith,  console = alt-ctrl-f1 through f6
[19:12] <Dr_willis> but it might do it for a login shell also.
[19:12] <Dr_willis> xterm -ls
[19:12] <Dr_willis> look at the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/
[19:13] <Dr_willis> one of those give a summary of any packages that need uodated
[19:13] <MonkeyDust> cnu  here's more: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5727095/
[19:13] <datasmith> oh ok, When I logon, it simply prints the OS version and prints documentation URL.
[19:14] <Dr_willis> then you most likely dont have any updates avail
[19:14] <datasmith> ah, that may be right, I just did an update.
[19:14] <Dr_willis> if you are that worried about it. do a 'sudo apt-get update'  'sudo apt-get upgrade' and see
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> cnu  oh, and remove brltty, it's for blind people
[19:14] <Matthew_Moore> Mert?  how did you do it?  i have the PLugins-main.  compiz config-settings,  but the extra-plugins  only gives me a dummy package.  i have Universe enables and all that.  what did you do diffrent?
[19:14] <Dr_willis> update does NOT upgrade. ;)
[19:15] <datasmith> ok, But I wanted to know the number of pacakages available, before actually doing an upgrade.
[19:15] <Dr_willis> it  will tell you when you start the upgrade. you then say yes, or no to continue
[19:16] <Dr_willis> it will also give you size estimates
[19:17] <datasmith> oh okay, thanks.  Now for me (since I just completed upgrade); it says 0 upgaded, 0newly installed.....
[19:18] <Dr_willis> i just tend to update/upgrade about once a week.
[19:18] <Dr_willis> but the system automatically mentios updates also - if i forget
[19:19] <datasmith> Thanks thanks for the /etc/motd.d path.
[19:20] <datasmith> It has a file called 90-updates-available, that when executed tell me what I need to know.
[19:20] <Dr_willis> look in that file..
[19:20] <Dr_willis> it shows the actual command used. ;)
[19:21] <datasmith> executes /usr/lib/update-notifier/update-motd-updates-available.
[19:23] <Dr_willis> and i belive thats a perl script. (or python)
[19:23] <Dr_willis> if you want to see the real code thats doing the work
[19:23] <datasmith> Now, I can pipe the output of that command to notify-send and get a neat noticifaction while logon.
[19:25] <Dr_willis> but the update manager basiucally does that automatically...
[19:25] <Dr_willis> ;)
[19:25] <datasmith> Yes, but I am trying to use a new window manager i3; which does not start up update-manager once in a week.
[19:26] <Guest67682> yo
[19:27] <datasmith> btw, I read the motd.d script, looks like it is using /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check
[19:28] <datasmith> Never knew such a command existed :)
[19:28] <datasmith> /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check --human-readable to be accurate.
[19:29] <zephyr> Panicking: I just attempted to install Windows 7 onto a separate partition but somehow ended up deleting my /home partition!  Could someone please help me out?  How can I restore that partition and its data?
[19:36] <Amgine> Query: Why does ubuntu server 12.10 take 10.5 minutes every time I do anything with apt-get?
[19:41] <MonkeyDust> Amgine  depends on what it does
[19:42] <Amgine> update, install
[19:44] <MonkeyDust>  and what does it do, during those 10 minutes?
[19:45] <Rarrikins> Is there a command like `reboot` for shutting down other than `shutdown -h now`?
[19:46] <th0r> Halt?
[19:46] <MonkeyDust> Rarrikins  sudo init 6 reboots
[19:47] <MonkeyDust> without the word 'reboots'
[19:47] <Amgine> No clue, MonkeyDust; it displays the first connection it's making, and waits there for 10.5 minutes, then suddonly works furiously for the last seconds.
[19:47] <Rarrikins> th0r: Thaks.
[19:49] <Oltre> !list
[19:50] <starbuck> hi guys, i messed up my useraccount, deleted a few groups it belonged to, so what are the standard groups belonging to the default user in ubuntu 13.04???
[19:50] <Oltre> !lista
[19:51] <ThinkT510> starbuck: 4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),108(lpadmin),124(sambashare)
[19:51] <_Bauer> hmm my mouse right click is suddenly stuck - xev right click events (button 3) normally, but I cant get right click menu show up anywhere, in terminal sometimes right click opens new window... familiar symptoms?
[19:51] <zehexx> is ubuntu using bash or c sheel?
[19:51] <zehexx> i don't now about it
[19:51] <ThinkT510> !dash | zehexx
[19:51] <starbuck> ThinkT510: thx a lot!!!
[19:51] <flo548> bash
[19:52] <zehexx> how to check what we use?
[19:52] <_Bauer> it seems its not only right click, even normal left click menu opening does not show the menu
[19:52] <_Bauer> what can cause it? how to check?
[19:52] <ThinkT510> zehexx: echo $SHELL
[19:53] <Slike> hi, i installed ubuntu next to windows 8. replacing an opensuse install
[19:53] <Slike> i can boot ubuntu via the uefi boot override
[19:53] <zehexx> ThinkT510 echo $SHELL can't process
[19:53] <Slike> how do i fix my system to get grub at start up
[19:53] <jrib> zehexx: ubuntu's default shell for users is bash.  But /bin/sh is a symlink to dash by default (for scripts for example)
[19:54] <ThinkT510> zehexx: says /bin/bash for me
[19:54] <zehexx> ThinkT510 i'm sorry ,just now its can, i just wrong type
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> Slike  esc during boot to get the grub menu
[19:54] <zehexx> result is /bin/bash
[19:55] <zehexx> jrib thx..
[19:56] <APV> Hello, just got Zyxel NSA310, how can I connect to it?
[19:56] <zehexx> can help me about - or -- what is that in program  help?
[19:56] <jrib> zehexx: what is your question?
[19:56] <MonkeyDust> APV  wifi or etherent?
[19:57] <zehexx> define of - and --, what we call it in programming? example -h or --help in unix?
[19:57] <seronis> arguments
[19:57] <APV> MonkeyDust, it's NAS server AFAIK
[19:58] <zehexx> seronis arguments,ok thx, i thinking about it, ..
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> APV  with ubuntu server version?
[19:58] <Slike> MonkeyDust: /boot/efi is located at /dev/sda5, but it seems like there's some link missing between that and the bootup location (with some grub emergency environment, i guess from opensuse)
[19:58] <APV> MonkeyDust, I don't know, I've just turned it on and plugged to laptop with lan cable.
[19:59] <APV> It haven't mounted or anything.
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> !details | APV
[19:59] <zehexx> is arguments is argv in programming?
[20:00] <MonkeyDust> Slike  i'm not too familiar with (u)efi, i'm sure someone else can help better
[20:00] <seronis> zehexx: yes.  anything you type after a program name gets passed to it as the argv elements
[20:01] <seronis> zehexx: by convention you use a single dash to represent a series of single letter flags, and you use a double dash to represent a named option
[20:01] <infexion> I have dual screens in ubuntu and I cannot get my primary screen to keep the top bar on it instead of the secondary bar. It stays for one session but if I logout and log back in it moves to the secondary screen.
[20:01] <infexion> I have to load Nvidia-settings each time to tell it I want it to be primary
[20:01] <zehexx> seronis thx sir, i try to learning it,.
[20:01] <infexion> is there any know fix for this?
[20:02] <zehexx> what is basic command in bash ,for manage our system safe?
[20:03] <seronis> zehexx: be more specific
[20:03] <gbjk> Hiya.
[20:03] <infexion> ubuntu 12.04 btw
[20:03] <bekks> zehexx: There is no "basic command" that "manage your system safe".
[20:03] <gbjk> Anyone know how to tell whether a machine was installed using alternate or server image?
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> zehexx  sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade for the latest security updates and bug fixes
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> zehexx  and sudo ufw enable
[20:04] <zehexx> such as for close no important port
[20:04] <ThinkT510> zehexx: if you want to learn bash then better ask in #bash
[20:04] <zehexx> and to now what's port is running now?
[20:05] <Bauer1> how can I check what is causing sluggish opening of the Unity "start" menu? after a week+ of uptime, it becomes very slow, barely usable, slower than it was in win 7
[20:06] <zehexx> summary for security our system?
[20:06] <Bauer1> perhaps there is some setting to make more of that Unity dashboard stored in ram? (I have 8gb ram, atm about 5gb free)
[20:06] <seronis> zehexx:  if you want to set up a firewall google for  'ufw configuration'
[20:06] <seronis> i dont use it so cant be more specific
[20:07] <APV> Is there some sort of command to see to what I'm connected to (wifi, remote storage disc, etc)?
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> zehexx  what i just said (see up)
[20:08] <zehexx> all thx,.i thinking about
[20:08] <zehexx> it
[20:08] <bekks> APV: You can use commands like ifconfig, lspci, lsusb, mount, etc.
[20:09] <Zoohouse> I'm having issues with manually installing Tails (linux distro) onto a USB stick, for Linux (Ubuntu) I get the following error: bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied. I've tried adding sudo to the argument with no success. I've double checked my iso path and it checks out.. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. Input & output: http://pastebin.com/pKuDSvRZ
[20:10] <APV> bekks, will try, thanks.
[20:11] <ks_> Can I enable autologin for Gnome on Ubuntu 13?
[20:11] <ndro> Hi. Ubunru 13.04 can't mount secondary partition as rw help thanks
[20:11] <ndro> Ubuntu*
[20:12] <MonkeyDust> ks_  system settings, user accounts
[20:12] <seronis> Zoohouse:  http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/237689-50-burn-image#9038439
[20:13] <zehexx> if i want set ufw in GUI, i have open it, but how set it [20:13] <ks_> MonkeyDust: tried that both icons are disabled (i'm connecting to remote pc via xrdc)
[20:13] <adamk_> Zoohouse, When redirecting in bash, the redirection happens as the user, even when using sudo.
[20:13] <ndro> sudo mount -t ext4 -o remount, rw /dev/sdd2 /media/ubuntu/Apps sets it ro
[20:14] <Ben64> adamk_: what are you trying to do
[20:14] <Ben64> ndro: no space between remount, and rw
[20:14] <adamk_> Ben64, ...    Nothing... I answered a question.
[20:15] <Ben64> adamk_: oh
[20:15] <ndro> I didn't put any space nen64
[20:15] <ndro> Ben64*
[20:15] <Ben64> you just did...  sudo mount -t ext4 -o remount, rw /dev/sdd2 /media/ubuntu/Apps sets it ro
[20:15] <ndro> Not in the terminal
[20:16] <Ben64> then why put a space here
[20:16] <Ben64> anyway the partition could have errors, you should use fsck
[20:16] <ndro> I'm writing on a note 2.. screen too small and I misstype sorry
[20:16] <Zoohouse> seronis, adamk_ thanks
[20:16] <seronis> Zoohouse:  solved?
[20:16] <ks_> is this a true statement? "You can't start a GUI app on boot because it needs to be attached to a graphical session, the graphical session is only setup after you login. "
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> ks_  X needs to be loaded, first
[20:17] <adamk_> ks_, More or less, but you can setup your display manager to autologin, and your x session to automatically start an app.
[20:17] <ks_> so my assumption is that once my remote pc is rebooted it is waiting for someone to login in order for apps like Firefox to load their default page
[20:18] <adamk_> ks_, Unless your display manager is set to autologin a user, your assumption is correct.
[20:18] <ks_> adamk_: I tried to edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf with no effect
[20:18] <adamk_> OK...
[20:19] <MonkeyDust> ks_  try     ssh -Y user@ip "set of graphical commands"
[20:19] <ndro> Should I unmount before using fsck, Ben64?
[20:19] <Dr_willis> ks_,  you could setup vnc to run a 'hidden' desktop' at boot time.
[20:19] <Dr_willis> X forwarding like with the ssh stuff. does not need a visible X desktop
[20:20] <zehexx> if i want set ufw in GUI, i have open it, but how set it [20:20] <adamk_> ks_, Maybe you should explain to us what you are trying to do...
[20:20] <ks_> Dr_willis:  I'm not very proficient in linux, so that is very general to me
[20:21] <MonkeyDust> ks_  you're a beginner and start with something advanced, does not make sense
[20:21] <ks_> adamk_:  I want remote Ubuntu with Gnome to start Firefox upon reboot
[20:22] <ks_> MonkeyDust:  yeah, I love challenges :)
[20:22] <Dr_willis> ks_,  clarify what you want to do over the remote? why are you running a browser remotely?
[20:23] <ndro> Reformated and it still mounts as ro
[20:23] <Dr_willis> running a browser remotely will be very sluggish.
[20:23] <ks_> Dr_willis:  we are trying to do a load test for the website (as well as Selenium framework)
[20:23] <Ben64> ndro: you formatted?
[20:24] <ndro> Ben64 yes as ext4
[20:24] <Ben64> so you had no data on it?
[20:24] <cotdayum> What is the service name for the touchpad on ubuntu ?
[20:24] <ndro> Ubuntu seems to handle fat32 better than ext
[20:24] <Ben64> no
[20:24] <ks_> Dr_willis: so the idea is to start remote instance with just Firefox and then ramp up the number of instances
[20:24] <ndro> Ben64 no
[20:25] <Ben64> ext2,3,4 are native filesystems for linux
[20:25] <Dr_willis> ks_,  look into vnc and freenx if you want a full remote 'desktop' or ssh and X forwarding..
[20:25] <ndro> And it won
[20:25] <ndro> Wont write on it
[20:25] <Dr_willis> you will need to give firefox a special no-remote option i recall if ssh x forwaerding it.
[20:25] <Ben64> ndro: you're doing something wrong. pastebin the output of "mount"
[20:26] <zehexx> ok,thx. don't answer my question is not important.
[20:26] <ndro> That would be an empty pastebin
[20:26] <ks_> Dr_willis:  we actually don't need any feedback from remote instance at all, just make sure that it opens up our website in Firefox
[20:26] <Ben64> ndro: why
[20:26] <ndro> Ben64 it doesnt output anythong
[20:26] <Ben64> yes it does
[20:26] <ndro> Just jumps to new line
[20:27] <Ben64> "mount" by itself shows all mounted filesystems
[20:27] <k1l_> ndro: "mount" should list your mounted devices
[20:27] <k1l_> ndro: if there comes nothing there is alot wrong at your system
[20:27] <ndro> Ohh
[20:27] <ks_> Dr_willis: adamk_:  MonkeyDust: we are able to achieve that with Windows instance, but it is twice more expensive
[20:27] <ndro> I thought when I ask it to remount silly me
[20:30] <TheUsD_> Hello, having an issue with owncloud server.  Clients can connect to server via program and http: but both receive erros:  clients connecting via sync program receive: server replied: service Temporarily Unavailable
[20:30] <TheUsD_> Http clients receive: failed to connect to database
[20:33] <ndro-pc> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/LYvTj5MA
[20:34] <Dr_willis> ks_,  you could have the vnc desktop on the remote open 1000 firefox's if you wanted.. but i really dont think this is the proper way to be testing things.
[20:35] <ndro-pc> Ben64: The partition I'm talking about is the last one in there, formatted it so it lost it's label.
[20:36] <ks_> Dr_willis: if it is possible to encapsulate all logic inside the instance, that would be great. Perhaps I need to dig on one of your advice to 'setup vnc to run a 'hidden' desktop' at boot time'
[20:37] <Dr_willis> ks_,  why does it have to be firefox?
[20:38] <gdoteof> this is a sort of weird request i guess.. but is it possible to run ubuntu in greyscale?
[20:38] <ks_> Dr_willis: we have written some FF extension to test page functions
[20:38] <gdoteof> or 16bit colors or something?
[20:38] <Dr_willis> ks_,  so.. why does it have to be a remote instance at all?
[20:39] <Dr_willis> gdoteof,  ages ago you could alter the xorg.conf to set the bitdepth.. but not done that in ages..
[20:39] <gdoteof> my buddy's wife is doing fieldwork in a remote 3rd world place and wants to make her netbook as unattractive as possible and seems convinced running it in black and wite would be the best thing to do
[20:39] <Dr_willis> back in the days of when 256 color desktops were fancy. ;)
[20:39] <adamk_> lol
[20:39] <Curs0r> Hi all. I'm having a weird issue with the netboot kernel/initrd for 13.04 amd64. The 32bit netboot supports my keyboard just fine. The amd64 does not. Anything I can do about it?
[20:39] <Dr_willis> put hello kitty stickers all over the netbook.
[20:40] <ks_> Dr_willis: in theory you could imitate some load on your local workstation, but only so much
[20:40] <gdoteof> similarly, if anyone knows of a modern standalone wordprocessor that can store to usb/sd card without the use of a computer that would be even more valuable
[20:40] <ndro-pc> Ben64: any idea? :(
[20:40] <gdoteof> Dr_willis: i currently have DefaultDepth 24
[20:40] <gdoteof> if i change that defaultdepth to 1
[20:41] <gdoteof> would that be what i want?
[20:41] <Dr_willis> gdoteof,  'without the use of a computer' - Err..  You plugging it into your bellybutton?
[20:41] <Dr_willis> gdoteof,  try it and see
[20:41] <Dr_willis> silly experiments are silly. ;)
[20:41] <gdoteof> Dr_willis: ?  what do you mean?  i mean like a standalone wordprocessor
[20:41] <gdoteof> that has an SD card slot
[20:42] <gdoteof> just like my digital piano has
[20:42] <gdoteof> i can save to sd card without a computer
[20:42] <Dr_willis> gdoteof,   like a typewriter that has a sd card slot?
[20:42] <gdoteof> Dr_willis: exactly like that
[20:42] <gdoteof> with or without actually using paper
[20:42] <Dr_willis> good luck finding one of those these days...
[20:42] <Dr_willis> seen them like in the 1990's ;) but not to sd.. floppy
[20:42]  * ks_ has digital piano too - Kawai  
[20:42] <Dr_willis> low end android phone/tablet
[20:43] <gdoteof> ya.. i spent a while trying.. found the alphasmart dana.. an old palm-os thing that can take upto a 1gb sd card
[20:43] <gdoteof> not ideal, but one is OTW
[20:43] <ndro-pc> Dr_willis, do you know if gnome has any invert colors feature?
[20:43] <Curs0r> Components being cheap these days you could probably slap together a word processor station of sorts with a mini-itx board and a stripped down distro
[20:43] <Dr_willis> ndro-pc,  theres those compiz plugins to invert colors.
[20:43] <gdoteof> ndro-pc: in compiz you can set filters that will do negatives.. but i can't get the whole screen to go.. just the managed windows
[20:44] <gdoteof> the icon bar and menu stay "normal"
[20:46] <Curs0r> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/ anyway, I'm botting the kernel and initrd from here with ipxe and the installer says no to my keyboard, though the i686 version has no problem with said keyboard. Fun anomaly.
[20:46] <Curs0r> Or booting when botting fails
[20:47] <ndro-pc> :( not only ubuntu mounts my partition as ro, android does too
[20:50] <Ben64> ndro-pc: your pastebin doesn't work
[20:50] <Ben64> ndro-pc: and how are you getting a hard drive into an android
[20:51] <ndro-pc> Ben64: I mentioned earlier, it's a flash drive. a memory card.
[20:51] <ndro-pc> http://pastebin.com/E03tQaAy
[20:51] <ndro-pc> microsd
[20:52] <ndro-pc> and I created 3 partitions on it. first a fat32, which both do fine with, the second is an ext4, which both have trouble writing on.
[20:52] <anticom> hi all
[20:53] <anticom> i'm having issues with connecting to wifi since my last updates
[20:53] <anticom> the wifi networks are shown but i'm unable to connect to my wifi
[20:53] <anticom> a promt for the right password is showing up like every 5 minutes
[20:53] <anticom> and ifconfig is showing no more wlan0
[20:53] <anticom> i got no clue what to do
[20:54] <bekks> anticom: Which ubuntu are you on exactly? And which interfaces are shown using "sudo ifconfig -a"?
[20:54] <MonkeyDust> anticom  password or WEP key ?
[20:55] <ndro-pc> Ben64: any idea? :(
[20:55] <Ben64> ndro-pc: it's mounted rw
[20:55] <ndro-pc> Ben64: I can't write on it...
[20:55] <Ben64> you need permission then
[20:55] <ndro-pc> Ben64: with Nautilus or whatever the filemanager in unity is called
[20:56] <daftykins> anticom: maybe it's asking for the keyring password?
[20:56] <anticom> bekks: http://pastebin.com/ZdRiefg9
[20:56] <Ben64> ndro-pc: because your user doesn't own it
[20:56] <anticom> MonkeyDust: nope, WPA2
[20:56] <anticom> daftykins: nop
[20:56] <ndro-pc> Ben64: will sudo nautilus do it then?
[20:56] <bekks> anticom: So you have a eth1 now, instead of wlan0.
[20:56] <ndro-pc> Ben64: the fat32 works fine though.
[20:57] <Ben64> ndro-pc: don't do sudo nautilus
[20:57] <ndro-pc> Ben64: is there any runas option in ubuntu then?
[20:57] <Ben64> ndro-pc: sudo chown -R <your user> /media/whatever_it_is_called
[20:58] <Curs0r> Hrmm, ipxe booting vbox from the amd64 netboot kernel has no trouble with the keyboard... it just doesn't like my motherboard I suppose. Oh well I'll try it again and see what happens :)
[20:58] <Curs0r> Wish me luck
[20:58] <MonkeyDust> ndro-pc  gksudo nautilus basically turns your pc into a windows machine, nobody wants that
[20:59] <ndro-pc> oh yay it works, thanks Ben64 mate.
[21:00] <ndro-pc> MonkeyDust: Except that microsoft has a bigger market share than canonical, what's wrong with windows?
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> ndro-pc  heineken beer has a greater market share than trippel westmalle, yet i prefer the latter
[21:01] <ndro-pc> MonkeyDust: I personally had no issues with it? Even though I only use it for gaming..
[21:01] <Curs0r> Nope, it turns off the numlock light and just does not respond once the installer is loaded
[21:02] <ks_> Dr_willis: I think I've got a strategy now - can write a startup script that opens VNC or xrdp session to local machine
[21:03] <Rarrikins> How do I set Oracle Java to not run in browsers for all users? The Java control panel doesn't seem to be able to figure out that root is an administrator.
[21:03] <ndro-pc> MonkeyDust: If game developers would build for ubuntu, there would be no windows, unfourtunately most of them target the os with the most users, taking no risks.
[21:04] <daftykins> ndro-pc: the purpose if this channel isn't for discussion really, it's for ubuntu support
[21:04] <mig>  irc://irc.diaper.dk:6667/snak1
[21:04] <Curs0r> Or lack thereof
[21:04] <ndro-pc> daftykins: sorry
[21:04] <daftykins> ndro-pc: it's cool, just giving you a heads up
[21:13] <ripplebit> is rails better than django for web apps?
[21:21] <cppCzar> I need help ssh'ing to my server cross the internet
[21:21] <Dayofswords> cppCzar: in what way?
[21:21] <cppCzar> Dayofswords: I need help setting up my static ip address and port forwarding
[21:22] <Dayofswords> cppCzar: static public(akak outward facing) IP?
[21:22] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/4826/switching-a-server-to-static-ip-from-dhcp
[21:23] <cppCzar> Dayofswords: yes
[21:24] <Dayofswords> cppCzar: Only your ISP can set your public IP to a static one, normally they do that for business class internet service. what you can do is setup a dynamic DNA service like no-ip to give your ip a constant domain name so you use it instead of it's IP.
[21:25] <Dayofswords> DNS*
[21:25] <cppCzar> Dayofswords: Okay! sounds good. How do we do that?
[21:25] <JC_> any LTSP professionals in here?
[21:25] <bekks> !anyone | JC_
[21:26] <JC_> Good afternoon, anyone here to assisit with a resolution issue, HP t510 thin clients, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server on HP ML110 G7, was working fine till delivered to clinet now when connecting LG TV's using DVI to HDMI it experiences resolution error
[21:26] <JC_> I have tried the various XSERVER=via | XSERVER=vesa, X_MODE_0 | XRANDR_MODE_0 most of these configuration options result in a non-bootable thin client with Fatal Server Error: invalid argument for -config
[21:26] <JC_> This exact setup was working at my office, it only gave this problem when delivered and it's the EXACT same devices the only difference at the client is the networking cables
[21:27] <JC_> All we are trying to achieve is web kiosks,
[21:29] <Dayofswords> cppCzar: http://www.noip.com/ sign up for an account, make a domain (you get 5 free subdomains) then follow this to install the client  (which just checks your ip every hour or so to see if it changed ) http://www.noip.com/support/knowledgebase/installing-the-linux-dynamic-update-client/
[21:30] <cppCzar> Dayofswords: Do I perform this on the server?
[21:30] <cppCzar> or on a computer on the wireless network
[21:30] <Dayofswords> cppCzar: any computer on the network should work.
[21:32] <arm1e> help please. iPhone only shows up with a couple of songs in rhythm box and banshee
[21:33] <fowl> is there an alternative to synaptic ?
[21:33] <Seveas> fowl: apt-get, aptitude, software-center
[21:33] <arm1e> terminal output says invalid track ID
[21:34] <arm1e> :'(
[21:36] <MMlosh> Hello  I was used to seeing the next -dev release on http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/<package> , but now I don't. The source package is there, but the binary one is not.   Does anyone know what is going on?  (I am sorry, I don't know how to ask a search engine. I am pretty sure it's known)
[21:37] <Brinson> haha, so I stupidly picked lubuntu nexus7 from the gdm menu, and of course it doesn't work on my desktop...but now its the default....can someone point me to a command line way to change the deffault gdm desktop?
[21:40] <Brinson2> anyone know how to reset unity to default when I can't get to the login screen?
[21:48] <brainpaidd> #Jcuber ?
[21:49] <brainpaidd> @ubottu
[21:49] <brainpaidd> #ubottu
[21:51] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> hello all, ubuntu 12.04lts mysql server 5.5 my-small.cnf not working, suggestions please
[21:51] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: Define "not working" first, please.
[21:51] <bekks> !details | Mukhthar_Ahmed
[21:52] <brainpaidd> ubottu: he had given all reasons
[21:52] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks :Job failed to start
[21:52] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: When doing what?
[21:53] <brainpaidd> When he starting :s
[21:53] <bekks> brainpaidd: Personally, I do know about three different ways to start a service.
[21:53] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : copied /usr/share/doc../my-small.cnf  /etc/mysql/my.cnf then /etc/init.d/mysql start
[21:53] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: Is mysqld already running?
[21:54] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: nope
[21:54] <brainpaidd>  
[21:55] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: please pastebin the output of the following commands: uname -a; sudo lsof -i | grep mysql
[21:56] <fowl> synaptic has been repeatdly crashing
[21:56] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: Linux vps 2.6.32-042stab076.8 #1 SMP Tue May 14 20:38:14 MSK 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[21:56] <fowl> or rather, freezing
[21:56] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: Please use a pastebin service for the second command.
[21:56] <zephyr> So, I'm using testdisk to attempt to recover a couple accidentally deleted partitions.  However, the partition I'm most concerned with has been listed a LOT of times, all with different start, end, and size values.  Where  do I go from here?
[21:57] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : okay :)
[21:57] <bekks> zephyr: Create an image of the disk, and use the image for further investigation.
[21:58] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : the second command "sudo lsof -i | grep mysql"  returns nothing
[21:58] <zephyr> bekks, I'm not familiar with imaging a disk, nor do I have the storage space for an exact copy.  is dd the tool?
[21:58] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: And whats the output of "lsb_release -a"?
[21:59] <bekks> zephyr: Yes.
[21:59] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : ubuntu 12.04.2 lts
[21:59] <bekks> zephyr: Whatever you try - without having an image - may damage your lost partitions even more.
[21:59] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: Please pastebin the exact, full output to a pastebin.
[21:59] <zephyr> bekks, unfortunately, at this point, I don't really have other options.
[22:00] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks sure
[22:00] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> clear
[22:01] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: And where's the pastebin url? :)
[22:01] <Ari-Yang> is there any advantage of setting diff cpu cores to diff governors? for e.g. setting cpu core 1 to performance and setting core 2 to ondemand
[22:02] <bekks> Ari-Yang: No, most likely, your CPU will not allow it.
[22:02] <zephyr> bekks, the partitions were deleted by a Windows installer.  Meant to clear just one partition but deleted the entire HDD instead.  Aborted the installation, didn't format, and rebooted to a live disc.
[22:02] <Ari-Yang> ah, okay
[22:02] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=iHakKx99
[22:02] <Ari-Yang> how do I set the governor in terminal?
[22:03] <brainpaidd> I had a website that based in Linux. I really want to know what distro using my server. How to learn this? Thanks very much.
[22:04] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: You could try to start mysqld directly, with your config, to see the errors.
[22:04] <bekks> brainpaidd: "lsb_release -a"
[22:05] <brainpaidd> bekks: thanks i'll try to command it tomorrow
[22:07] <Loshki> zephyr: http://forum.cgsecurity.org/phpBB3/testdisk-what-do-i-do-now-t1412.html talks about checking partitions by listing the data. Can you do something like that?
[22:08] <zephyr> Loshki, reading through it now.
[22:08] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: please check this seems to be innodb error, but i want to use myisam http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=ckxnnh1w
[22:09] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: You config contains something that makes it impossible to start with the existing data.
[22:10] <zephyr> Loshki, from what one of the commenters mentionecd, the multiple partitions it found may just be remnants of OLD partitions that are long gone.  So should I just go through each one, attempt to list the files, until I find the right one to restore?
[22:11] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: i will backup data with mysql dump and then try to restart with new config
[22:15] <zephyr> http://pastebin.com/rgaycK5U <-- what testdisk is telling me after a Deep Scan.
[22:16] <zephyr> Don't know what to do now because it says those can't be recovered and doesn't appear to list the correct partitions anyway
[22:16] <jose1043> ola
[22:16] <jose1043> ola
[22:16] <jose1043> ho-la
[22:17] <Dr_willis> !es
[22:17] <jose1043> hello
[22:21] <zephyr> Okay, I can SEE the files on the partition I want to restore in testdisk... now what? lol
[22:24] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : deleted all the database but still the same, mysql job failed to start. Any tips to debug
[22:25] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: start mysqld manually, and check the new config for differences against the old config.
[22:26] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : :)  doing the same
[22:26] <deadweasel> http://scottlinux.com/2013/06/02/use-google-authenticator-for-two-factor-ssh-authentication-in-linux/   <-- followed these instructions.  ssh localhost does not ask for Verification: code..  ideas?
[22:26] <deadweasel> 12.04 x64
[22:28] <Dr_willis> does it work for non localhost?
[22:28] <deadweasel> let me grab the other box, will test.
[22:29] <Mucap> How do I erase all data on my Hard Disk with Linux Ubuntu
[22:29] <Dr_willis> thats cute how it prints out a Barcode thing on the console ;)
[22:29] <Mucap> Just wipe it completely
[22:29] <Dr_willis> Mucap,  gparted and delete/reformat is one way.
[22:29] <Mucap> Dr_willis I didn't think about that, lol
[22:29] <Dr_willis> or dd  if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXX bs=4M
[22:29] <Dr_willis> then theres various secure deletion tools.. that are for the truely paranoid.
[22:30] <Dr_willis> if its a 'sdd' there may be better ways
[22:30] <Mucap> CBA, I just want it erased
[22:30] <Mucap> HDD
[22:30] <Dr_willis> dd will zero it out totally.. but im assumin gyou will want to use it afterwards for some other os?
[22:30] <Mucap> Dr_willis yes
[22:31] <Dr_willis> may as well use gparted then
[22:31] <Mucap> Dr_willis wouldn't "sudo rm -rd / --no-preserve-root" work too
[22:31] <Dr_willis> that will take forever..
[22:31] <Dr_willis> you are deleteing the  / you are using?
[22:31] <Dr_willis> thats.. weird..
[22:31] <Mucap> Dr_willis just got told that would work so
[22:32] <bekks> Mucap: ouch.
[22:32] <Dr_willis> whats the END goal here?
[22:32] <Mucap> I just need to clean it out, selling my computer and the buyer might as well get a clean HDD
[22:32] <Dr_willis> a new empty ext4 for a clean install?
[22:32] <Dr_willis> or you want some other filesystem?
[22:32] <bekks> Mucap: Then rm will not help you in any way. It takes about a few minutes to restore your files.
[22:32] <bekks> Mucap: Use dd to write zeros to the entire disk.
[22:33] <Mucap> Hm
[22:33] <Dr_willis> you still have to partion/reformat after using dd - to get a useable disk..
[22:33] <Dr_willis> unless you are going to leave that to the other guy
[22:34] <Mucap> Wow this was way more complicated than imagined
[22:34] <Dr_willis> its not complex at all...
[22:34] <Dr_willis> reformat it to the FS and partion layout you want.
[22:34] <Mucap> All I wanted to do was erasing my HDD so it wouldn't boot into anything unless a OS was installed
[22:34] <Dr_willis> the dd from zero will leave a Totally Unallocated Unpartioned unformated HD.
[22:34] <Mucap> Which the buyer will know how to do, plug in disk, BIOS or USB something
[22:34] <Mucap> how was the dd
[22:35] <Dr_willis> you will then have to partion and format it to whatver fs you want to use.
[22:35] <Mucap> what was the command again
[22:35] <Dr_willis> or dd  if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXX bs=4M
[22:35] <Mucap> many thanks
[22:35] <Dr_willis> where is /dev/sda or sdb or sd whatever...
[22:35] <Dr_willis> dont get that wrong. or you can erase the wrong drive
[22:36] <Dr_willis> gparted live cd. can do all this..  worth having in your pc toolbox.
[22:36] <bekks> Mucap: Its no rocket science to find some results "how to restore data after rm" in google ;) Obscurity is no security.
[22:36] <Dr_willis> bekks,  but changing your ssh port.. is uber secure right? ;P
[22:36] <Mucap> might as well use gparted since it's installed
[22:36] <bekks> Dr_willis: Yeah, it is :)
[22:37] <Mucap> Goodbye Ubuntu, you've been a good friend for a long time <3
[22:37] <Seveas> Dr_willis: you have no idea how many brute force "let's scan the internet" scans that prevents...
[22:38] <Seveas> it's not added security, but it helps against logspam :)
[22:38] <Dr_willis> Log Jam? i aint no lumberjack!
[22:39] <deadweasel> Dr_willis: I do not get verification prompt from another device on internal network.
[22:40] <jrib> deadweasel: are you using ssh keys?
[22:40] <deadweasel> no
[22:40] <Dayofswords> Mucap: you had trouble just dd'ing the drive? It's easy, just boot live CD, sudo su, dd if=/dev/zero/ of=/dev/sda
[22:41] <Dr_willis> Dayofswords,  aparently hes trying to destroy the / he is currently booted from.. ;)
[22:41] <jrib> deadweasel: and you get logged in without being asked for verification or password?
[22:41] <bekks> Mucap: And dont forget to set a reasonable sized bs= parameter, unless you want to wait ages.
[22:41] <Mucap> guys
[22:41] <Mucap> i never used linux like this
[22:41] <Mucap> so all im just trying to do is make my computer boot into nothing
[22:41] <deadweasel> 18:26:33 < deadweasel> http://scottlinux.com/2013/06/02/use-google-authenticator-for-two-factor-ssh-authentication-in-linux/   <-- followed these instructions.  ssh  localhost does not ask for Verification: code..  ideas?
[22:41] <jrib> I read this...
[22:42] <Dr_willis> Mucap,  if you zero the hd. thers nothing to boot..
[22:42] <deadweasel> seems like somethhing important is missing from instructions
[22:42] <jrib> deadweasel: and you get logged in without being asked for verification or password?
[22:42] <Mucap> Dr_willis I see but it will also erase what im booted on
[22:42] <deadweasel> no, trying to add a third field, google authenticator code.
[22:42] <Dr_willis> Mucap,  thats what you sort of said you were wanting to do....
[22:42] <Physmart> !slackware
[22:43] <deadweasel> jrib, gotta run for grub (food).  brb.
[22:43] <jrib> deadweasel: I'm trying to understand what you mean by "ssh localhost does not ask for verification code".  What exactly happens when you « ssh localhost »?
[22:43] <Mucap> Dr_willis I said that I'm booted on the only HDD connected to my PC with my Linux, and I want to erase everything on that so there's literally nothing to boot into when I turn on my PC
[22:43] <Dr_willis> Mucap,  so you want to delete the HD you are booted from. correct?
[22:44] <Mucap> Dr_willis exactly
[22:44] <Dr_willis> Mucap,  and the dd command we gave will do that.. it will basically make your os self destruct
[22:44] <scott_purcell> a network secured with WPA2 Personal.  Nothing was changed on the router.  It connects with no problem to my unsecured "guest" network.  It connects with no problem to other WPA2 Personal networks.  Other systems connect with no problems to my primary home network.  I've rebooted the router and the system.  Any ideas?
[22:44] <tones> will gparted zero a hard drive?
[22:44] <Dr_willis> Mucap,  a cleaner way would be to use a live cd.. and dd the disk in question
[22:44] <scott_purcell> oops... sorry for the incomplete post...
[22:44] <Mucap> Dr_willis then why do people still tell me I should do other ways lol
[22:45] <Dr_willis> theres gparted live cd, and the system-rescue cd can have other tools for the same task
[22:45] <Dr_willis> Mucap,  because theres always a dozen ways to do ANYTHING
[22:45] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : I could make it run but the memory size is 28mb, is it possible to get it use low memory, I read on lowendbox, their mysql is using 5 to 6mb
[22:45] <Mucap> Dr_willis once I wrecked it I won't be using the PC anymore so it wouldn't matter
[22:45] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: So how much RAM do you have in your VPS?
[22:45] <Dr_willis> that dd command will make the disk unbootable in about 5 sec.. then the rest of the time will be eraseing all the actual data on the drive
[22:46] <wicked> is there any ubuntu server channel on freenode you guys know about?
[22:46] <scott_purcell> Sometime in the past week, my ubuntu 12.10 laptop stopped connecting to my primary home wifi network (secured with WPA2 personal).
[22:46] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : 256Mb
[22:46] <daftykins> wicked: you can ask away here
[22:46] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: So 10% is too much for mysql? I guess then you have to ask those guys from lowendbox about how they did it to use even less.
[22:47] <scott_purcell> Nothing was changed on the router.  Other systems still connect to the network I'm having problems with. I can connect to my unsecured guest network -- and to other networks.
[22:47] <wicked> daftykins: ok tks, just wonder if it exist or not
[22:47] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: they have posted their my.cnf file but that does not work, i guess those were mysql 5.1 or so
[22:48] <daftykins> wicked: ja #ubuntu-server
[22:48] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: wat is the optimum memory usage if 10% is higher
[22:48] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: I never even heard of that "lowendbox", so I cant help you any further with htat.
[22:49] <wicked> daftykins: tks :)
[22:49] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks never mind abt lowendbox
[22:49] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: The last time I used a server with so little RAM, thats almost a decade ago.
[22:50] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks: as u can recall, wat would be the optimum memory usage if 10% is higher
[22:50] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: The optimum memory usage depends on the amount of data in your database.
[22:51] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : I understand, this is a wordpress site for testing only. traffic equal to zero
[22:51] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: Traffic is irrelevant, amount of data is.
[22:52] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : that makes sense, I am able to understand better now
[22:54] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> bekks : Thanks for all the help :)
[22:54] <zehexx> sir, what different between child process and parent ?in ubuntu?
[22:56] <bekks> Mukhthar_Ahmed: You're welcome. :)
[22:57] <BlackDalek> What is the command line program which shows which apps/processes are consuming all the memory on my computer?
[22:57] <zehexx> and ; in windows py can compile to pyc ,how to compile py to pyc in ubuntu??
[22:57] <zehexx> blackdalek type top on terminal
[22:57] <bekks> BlackDalek: ps, top
[22:58] <BlackDalek> thanks
[22:58] <Mukhthar_Ahmed> QUIT
[22:58] <zehexx> and ; in windows py can compile to pyc ,how to compile py to pyc in ubuntu??
[22:59] <Dr_willis> python works the same way as far as i know zehexx
[22:59] <Dr_willis>  foo.py gets compiuled to .pyc when its ran if i rember my pyuthon 101
[22:59] <Geodesical> Hey, Does anyone know how to play Steam games in 12.04 LTS?
[22:59] <ulkesh> Dr_willis: You're correct
[22:59] <Dr_willis> !steam
[22:59] <Dr_willis> Geodesical,  install steam.. play gamez
[23:00] <zehexx> dr_willis thx,sir. , i will try it
[23:00] <Dr_willis> I dident think one had to worry about python compiling to .pyc - it auto-magically handled it. ;)
[23:01] <deadweasel> jrib: so if I setup google authenticator, it should ask for a verification code.  I follow the supplied instructs and nothing happens.
[23:01] <Ari-Yang> how come my cpu governor on its own switched to performance when it was set to conservative?
[23:01] <zehexx> dr_willis thx .,
[23:04] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_willis, remeber yesterday a guy, brounicorn or something like that? he had an issue with accessing his ssh server from the outside. ..
[23:04] <BlackDalek> I can't find system requirements (memory) for Ubuntu 13.04 anywhere on ubuntu web site... can someone point me to relevant page?
[23:04] <Dr_willis> soy_el_pulpo,  yes.
[23:04] <Geodesical> It allows me to open Steam, but when I attempt to play the game, it never goes past the valve copyright pageSteam
[23:05] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_willis: I am looking for him, yesterday I helped him
[23:05] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr
[23:05] <soy_el_pulpo> R
[23:06] <Dr_willis> soy_el_pulpo,  well memoserv can leve him a message.. but i bet he wouldent notice the message notice if he comes back
[23:06] <zehexx> can we try php in localhost without install external server?
[23:06] <Dr_willis> theres some sort of php-cli package i thought
[23:06] <usr13> BlackDalek: What do you have?
[23:06] <Dr_willis> !info php-cli
[23:06] <soy_el_pulpo> Ok, he did everything fine, just to let ppl know, his isp is blocking access
[23:07] <usr13> BlackDalek: What CPU?  How much RAM?  What size disk?
[23:07] <zehexx> dr_willis thx,will try it
[23:07] <Dr_willis> moar is always better ;P
[23:07] <soy_el_pulpo> It is clear wireless,  a wimax provider
[23:07] <ulkesh> !info php5-cli
[23:07] <Dr_willis> soy_el_pulpo,  heh.. thats amuseing..
[23:08] <Dr_willis> soy_el_pulpo,  but he did try with a non-standard port for ssh
[23:08] <zehexx> in my system its can't sir, -->php5-cli: command not found
[23:09] <soy_el_pulpo> Yup, but we check that and got him standard,  port fw ok on his wifi router, but the modem is the problem
[23:09] <ulkesh> zehexx: sudo apt-get install php5-cli
[23:09] <Dr_willis> zehexx,  that may not be the right name. i dont do much codeing
[23:09] <Dr_willis> zehexx,  apt has a search feature. ;)
[23:09] <ulkesh> Dr_willis: i just checked raring, php5-cli is right, he just has to install it
[23:09] <zehexx> ubuntu 10.04
[23:09] <ulkesh> nevermind :)
[23:10] <Dr_willis> ulkesh,  people like to leave out details ;P
[23:10] <ulkesh> Dr_willis: true :)
[23:10] <Ari-Yang> how do I set cpu governor in terminal?
[23:10] <zehexx> dr_willis,ulkesh,thx, i will learn it
[23:10] <usr13> zehexx: 10.04 is EOL
[23:11] <soy_el_pulpo> Dr_willis: I will keep and eye open if he shows up to let him know, also he can talk to his isp to open it...
[23:11] <ulkesh> zehexx: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/php5-cli
[23:12] <zehexx> ulkesh thx, but for this time my connection is low speed fior download,
[23:12] <zehexx> *...low speed for download,
[23:12] <soy_el_pulpo> Brb
[23:13] <usr13> zehexx: Oh, it's 10.04 server?
[23:13] <Deet_> is it possible to install a command line only version of ubuntu via floppy disk to a computer designed for windoze 95?
[23:13] <somsip> Deet_: yes - use the minimal install
[23:13] <usr13> Deet_: Probably not
[23:14] <Dr_willis> Deet_,  move the hd to a differnt pc..  install.. or use a net-boot type install.
[23:14] <brewmaster619> I have a dual-boot (Win8/Ubuntu 13.04). I want to have most of my home directories (user directories in Win) point to the same place. Since Windows has a hard time with ext4, I figured I could put symlinks in my Ubuntu home directory and point to the appropriate one in Windows. It seems to work. But how do I change the symlink icon to match the old icon, for example the Music folder icon?
[23:14] <Dr_willis> or install to a usb flash.. boot it.. image it to the real hd.
[23:14] <zehexx> user13 no
[23:14] <usr13> Deet_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies  Hummmmm.....
[23:15] <ajidht> hello all
[23:15] <usr13> !10.04 | zehexx
[23:15] <Dr_willis> brewmaster619,  used to be able to right click on the folder. properties. then the top left Icon image IS A BUTTON you click to change the icon.. it was easy to overlook.. but im not sure if that still works in the latest ubuntu/gnomes
[23:15] <brewmaster619> Deet_: there are distros out that just for that, probably not Ubuntu-derivatives
[23:16] <Dr_willis> Deet_,  what are the system specs?
[23:16] <usr13> brewmaster619: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[23:16] <brewmaster619> still works, but how do you know what the old icon was located?  I was smart enough to rename the old Music folder, but clicking the icon doesn't tell you where the current ocon is.
[23:16] <Deet_> Dr_willis: it's a panisonic notebook from waaaaaay back, has 120mb of ram
[23:16] <Dr_willis> brewmaster619,  try the locate command perhaps? theres dozens of identically named icons depending on the theme for the differnt icons
[23:17] <brewmaster619> It IS easy to overlook, I think it was a couple of years before I knew that was actually a button.
[23:17] <usr13> Deet_: What CPU?    What size disk?
[23:17] <ajidht> saya dari indonesia
[23:17] <Deet_> Dr_willis: unsure on the harddrive, i haven't booted in a while
[23:17] <brewmaster619> But I can't tell what the old icon was named.
[23:17] <Dr_willis> Deet_,  120mb? eww.. You might want to look into the puppy linux viarants for  very very very low end hardware ;)
[23:17] <zehexx> ok,thx
[23:17] <BlackDalek> usr13, the machine is an AMD Athlon 64 3700+, 1Gb ram, 500gb disk... but what are minimum system requirements to run Ubuntu 13.04? that is what I am looking for.
[23:17] <usr13> Dr_willis: He said he just wants CLI
[23:17] <Dr_willis> Deet_,  tiny core linux = 35mb also. :) if you just want a ssh/terminal machine
[23:18] <Dr_willis> puppy can do cli
[23:18] <usr13> BlackDalek: Sky is the limit for you  :)
[23:18] <Dr_willis> 120mb of ram. is pushing the limits of most things id imagine.
[23:18] <Deet_> Dr_willis: had the decimal in the wrong spot, 12mb of ram, 80486 processor
[23:18] <Dr_willis> Deet_,  freedos and  a serial terminal.. ;P
[23:19] <ulkesh> BlackDalek: for server: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/serverguide/preparing-to-install.html    not sure about desktop yet
[23:19] <usr13> BlackDalek: In other words, take your choice:  Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu etc.
[23:19] <Deet_> Dr_willis: i think i might just keep it around for the lulz
[23:19] <Dr_willis> Deet_,  there MIGHT be some disrtos out like puppy that can still work on a 486
[23:19] <brewmaster619> Deet_: I remember installing Red Hat on cheap 386 40mhz boards back in the day, but then most people had dialup modems then, too.
[23:19] <Deet_> Dr_willis:  ok, i might peek around a bit.
[23:20] <Deet_> brewmaster619: this has a dial up modem/ethernet port in a pcmcia card :P
[23:20] <brewmaster619> Yeah, baby....
[23:21] <brewmaster619> I ran a BBS for 10 years, I know what you're talking about .  :)
[23:21] <Deet_> yeah i don't really know why i keep it around. nostalgia i suppose
[23:22] <usr13> Deet_: http://slackware.com/install/sysreq.php
[23:22] <ubuntiv> Hello, I want to connect to my PC using ssh from a remote location using the internet, what IP should I enter when I try to connect?
[23:22] <BlackDalek> Does unity on 13.04 have some over-inflated memory requirements to run properly? Should I be having problems with 1Gb ram? I am currently experiencing 50% or higher memory usage with no apps running and 85% to 100% memory usage when Firefox is running... If left running, the machine freezes or crashes with kernel panic.
[23:22] <brewmaster619> On my Icon thing, I think I can find the Music icon, but is there an easier way to figure out at least the current Icon's size, rather than by trial and error?
[23:23] <Deet_> usr13: yeah....i have a 5th of the required ram :P
[23:23] <usr13> ubuntiv: We can't tell you what IP to use.
[23:23] <ulkesh> Deet_: maybe debian for it?  http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
[23:23] <ubuntiv> How can I find the IP i should be using?
[23:24] <soy_el_pulpo> UbuBegin
[23:24] <ubuntiv> And how is it possible to connect to my PC which has its own local IP in the local network?
[23:24] <usr13> Deet_: You said "120mb of ram"
[23:24] <usr13> Deet_: Was that an error?
[23:24] <nelson_> no
[23:24] <soy_el_pulpo> Ubuntiv, try whatismyip.com
[23:25] <brewmaster619> ubuntive: people usually have a dynamic DNS servoce somewhere, so their system sends out a  packet to the dns provider every so often, the servoces notes the IP, and you just use your registered dns name (that you pay for) to access your system.
[23:25] <usr13> Deet_: For CLI, you should be fine.
[23:25] <nelson_> after installing lubuntu i only have lines
[23:25] <ubuntiv> I mean if my PC is 192.168.0.70 and my External IP is ###.###.100.123 , what should I type as the IP? should I include the local address too?
[23:25] <Deet_> usr13: yes it was, i later corrected that to 12
[23:25] <usr13> ubuntiv: Depends on how your router is set up. (What ports do you have forwarded?
[23:26] <nelson_> someone?
[23:26] <ubuntiv> So, I need port forwarding? I never used that thing..
[23:26] <Deet_> ulkesh: i see the first releases for Debian at on floppy, this might prove interesting
[23:26] <brewmaster619> Your router has to forward a port to your server
[23:26] <usr13> Deet_: 12M RAM?  wow.  Ok.  I think you have a paperwieght on your hands.
[23:26] <ubuntiv> Let's say I'd like to host port 20 for SSH
[23:27] <Deet_> usr13:  LOL i had besirc running on it until the network card quit
[23:27] <usr13> ubuntiv: Then forward port 22 to 20 on that IP
[23:27] <ulkesh> Deet_: Debian also used to have a net-install based on booting to a floppy and connecting to the internet...was pretty fun back then :)
[23:27] <ubuntiv> why 22??
[23:27] <gordonjcp> ulkesh: installing over NFS
[23:27] <brewmaster619> you enter the IP of the router, when the router sees incoming traffic on that port (like 80) it forwards all of that type of traffic to the internal IP you specify, i.e. your server.
[23:27] <usr13> ubuntiv: or forward port 20 to 22 on that IP
[23:27] <Deet_> ulkesh: would it work with a pcmcia nic?
[23:28] <usr13> ubuntiv: Well, it's up to you what port you use.  (Try one your ISP does not block.)
[23:28] <nelson_> can someone help me
[23:28] <nelson_> ???
[23:28] <ubuntiv> Aha, so ISP blocks IPs.. I can see now..
[23:28] <ulkesh> Deet_: honestly i couldn't tell you, i haven't done that in a good 10-12 years
[23:28] <usr13> ubuntiv: (You can tell sshd to listen on a non-standard port if you need to.)
[23:28] <usr13> ubuntiv: nmap
[23:28] <swex_> hello all
[23:28] <ubuntiv> But what if my IP is shared with others?
[23:28] <Deet_> okay, this outta be fun. i'll be back with it, or when it starts spitting magic smoke
[23:28] <Deet_> thanks guys
[23:29] <ulkesh> Deet_: good luck!!
[23:29] <usr13> ubuntiv: nmap -p 22 ###.###.100.123
[23:29] <ubuntiv> I mean maybe several costumers share the same IP provided by ISP, isn't that true?
[23:29] <usr13> ubuntiv: Yes
[23:29] <ubuntiv> So how would I receive traffic that is meant to reach my router, not somebody else's router?
[23:29] <brewmaster619> ubuntiv: your server has it's own IP within your network; it can't be duplicated.  from outside everything from your net looks like it came from the router's external IP.
[23:29] <usr13> ubuntiv: What do you need to do?  (What is your end goal?)
[23:30] <brewmaster619> ubuntiv:  No, nobody shaes the IP.
[23:30] <ubuntiv> I need to connect to my home PC from Work using SSH.
[23:30] <usr13> brewmaster619: But what he is saying is that [more-than-likely] a lot of his neighbors share that IP.
[23:30] <usr13> brewmaster619: Yes they do.
[23:31] <brewmaster619> Not unless his ISP also uses NAT.
[23:31] <usr13> brewmaster619: many do.
[23:31] <ubuntiv> What is NAT?
[23:31] <Noskcaj> I'm making a PC Case based on Ubuntu. what colour(s) should i make it
[23:31] <ubuntiv> Sorry but I'm a little n00b but interested in learning..
[23:31] <usr13> ubuntiv: network address tranlation / IP Masquerading
[23:31] <ubuntiv> Aha, ok usr13
[23:31] <brewmaster619> what the router uses so your provider hands you one IP, but internally, you have 2 or 100 computers behond your router.
[23:32] <ubuntiv> So, in that case, which is more than likely, what should I do to connect to my router not somebody else's router?
[23:32] <usr13> ubuntiv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS
[23:33] <brewmaster619> each with their own IP internally in your network, but from the outside, they only see the router's external IP; The router has two IPs (at least), the outside-facing one, and the inside facing one.
[23:33] <brewmaster619> good call, usr13
[23:33] <usr13> ubuntiv: You can use a service like  http://www.dnsdynamic.org/
[23:34] <ubuntiv> will that mean that I have to put some port-forwarding into the ISPs main router??
[23:34] <brewmaster619> correction, what I said "they" I meant anyone else outside your network.
[23:34] <ubuntiv> is there any free service?
[23:34] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: who is your ISP?
[23:35] <ubuntiv> Earthlink, Iraq
[23:35] <usr13> ubuntiv: Yes
[23:35] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: do you have a modem connected to a phone line (i assume phone, given earthlink)?  and do you have a router connected to that modem?
[23:35] <usr13> ubuntiv: I don't know about Iraq
[23:36] <BlackDalek> I found this here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements  but what is listed there as being recommended minimum requirements is not reflected in the experience I am having with a system of double that capacity... IS that page simply wrong?
[23:36] <brewmaster619> most ISPs don't like incoming connections (they charge businesses lots of money for that), but usually don't mind "personal use" connections.
[23:36] <usr13> ubuntiv: Do you really need ssh?  or can you just use something like teamviewer?
[23:36] <ubuntiv> ulkesh: No it is a wireless connection, I have a D-Link wireless router connected to a NanoStation which is connected wirelessly to a transmission station
[23:37] <gordonjcp> usr13: o_O
[23:37] <gordonjcp> usr13: the two things are not even vaguely similar
[23:37] <usr13> ubuntiv: wireless bridge (in other words...)
[23:37] <usr13> gordonjcp: Did I say that they were?
[23:37] <ubuntiv> usr13: I need to control the deep internals of my system, but what is teamviewer?
[23:37] <gordonjcp> teamviewer is for Windows, anyway
[23:38] <usr13> gordonjcp: teamviewer is corss platform.
[23:38] <usr13> ubuntiv: it is a vnc type app
[23:38] <ubuntiv> NO WINDOWS! Sorry but I'm allergic to MS stuff
[23:38] <gordonjcp> usr13: never much saw the point in VNC
[23:38] <usr13> ubuntiv: me too
[23:38] <ubuntiv> I think it IS possible to use VNC for an SSH like control??
[23:38] <brewmaster619> Teamviewer: For Windows, Mac, Linux, iPhone, iPad and Android.
[23:39] <brewmaster619> per their web site
[23:39] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: so anyway what you need to do is determine how you connect to the Internet
[23:39] <erpo> When I restored from backup, I found that I had no icons on my gnome 3.6 desktop and the right-click desktop context menu didn't work. I was able to fix this with the tweak tool, but now I'm concerned that my backup was incomplete. In which file is the "have file manager handle the desktop" preference stored?
[23:39] <usr13> ubuntiv: Your choice.
[23:39] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: you've got a wireless link back to some remote site?
[23:39] <ubuntiv> gordonjcp: yes, and that is the confusing part
[23:39] <brewmaster619> I've not used it, but what
[23:40] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: okay
[23:40] <brewmaster619> s wrong with VNC?
[23:40] <ubuntu22> can anyone help me to get skype video calling to work in 12.04?  My camera works in skype 'options' where i can select the device, it properly displays the camera feed and I can see myself, but I cannot select the 'video button' while in a skype call.
[23:40] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: talk me through it
[23:40] <usr13> gordonjcp: He already told us how he connects to the internet.  (wireless bridge)
[23:40] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: I see, then the only thing I'd suggest, is that if you have an internet address assigned to the wireless router (the external facing IP), then you can port forward with that router (assuming it has port forward capability)...if so, then i suggest port forwarding port external 2222 to internal 22 on the internal IP of the server you want to ssh (i would never open 22, it's security-thru-obscurity that nmap can easily get around
[23:40] <ulkesh> , but still)...if it's not an internet-address, then your only hope would be a upnp-based solution which might be what that teamviewer is, and that's assuming upnp is enabled in your router and the router to the outside world
[23:41] <ubuntiv> gordonjcp: I don't really understand how I'm actually connected! isn't there an online tracing tool that shows me the entire path through which I'm reaching the internet?
[23:41] <gordonjcp> ;/.....................................;'[pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp#...
[23:41] <gordonjcp> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[23:42] <gordonjcp> ... Susie the Cat says hi
[23:42] <usr13> gordonjcp: What is all that?
[23:42] <gordonjcp> sorry folks
[23:42] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: traceroute, maybe?
[23:42] <gordonjcp> usr13: cat on keyboard
[23:42] <usr13> ok
[23:43] <ubuntiv> welcome, Susie! gordonjcp: how to use traceroute, or what is it anyway?!
[23:43] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: pastebin your PC's IP address, and the output of "traceroute 8.8.4.4"
[23:43] <usr13> ubuntiv: All you need to know is your outside IP.  See ipchicken.com
[23:44] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: traceroute uses a clever little trick to ping each host on the way to the outside world
[23:44] <bity> if you don't have access to the router, you can make a reverse ssh tunnel, if you have access to a public server
[23:44] <ubuntiv> what does 8.8.4.4 represent?
[23:44] <bity> google dns servers
[23:44] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: google DNS
[23:45] <gordonjcp> it's a handy fixed known endpoint
[23:45] <bity> 8.8.8.8 is another
[23:45] <ubuntiv> I'm now installing traceroute, I'll try it and see what happens
[23:45] <BlackDalek> why are the memory requirements for light-weight GUIs such as lxde or xfce claimed to be the same for memory hogs like unity?
[23:46] <usr13> bity: routerS  (there are several...)
[23:46] <ubuntu22> can anyone help me to get skype video calling to work in 12.04?  My camera works in skype 'options' where i can select the device, it properly displays the camera feed and I can see myself, but I cannot select the 'video button' while in a skype call.
[23:46] <bity> i dont think that matters
[23:46] <usr13> ubuntiv: Each bridge and AP is more-than-likey a NAT router.  So....
[23:46] <gordonjcp> BlackDalek: because "lightweight" is a myth
[23:46] <gordonjcp> usr13: not really, no
[23:46] <usr13> gordonjcp: Oh?
[23:46] <gordonjcp> usr13: they *might* be configured that way
[23:47] <gordonjcp> they're far more likely to be configured as bridges
[23:47] <gordonjcp> usr13: I'm working across a couple of hops of Ubiquiti Nanobridge right now
[23:47] <bity> usr13, if you can ssh out to a public server, the reverse path works through the same tunnel, or am i wrong?
[23:47] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: I'm going to PM you a link to an image on my server
[23:47] <ubuntiv> after I performed "traceroute 8.8.4.4" I'm now having a list of 15 different IPs , some start with the local 192.168 stuff
[23:48] <usr13> gordonjcp: Yes, they more-than-likely are configured that way.
[23:48] <gordonjcp> ubuntiv: when you hit it, I'll be able to see your public IP address
[23:48] <ulkesh> gordonjcp: he can just get his public ip by going to whatismyip.com  the question is, is his wireless router the endpoint terminating that IP
[23:48] <ubuntiv> I did, I could see the wrecked car, too :P
[23:49] <usr13> gordonjcp: They are more than likely AP mode (if there is more than one connection).
[23:49] <gordonjcp> usr13: yup
[23:49] <usr13> gordonjcp: Yea, me too.  Multiple APs and bridges.
[23:49] <gordonjcp> usr13: but in AP mode they are not necessarily doing NAT
[23:49] <gordonjcp> http://lovesthepython.org/cluanie-sm.jpg <- here is the link, in case anyone was curious
[23:50] <usr13> gordonjcp: Not necessarily but most likely.
[23:50] <gordonjcp> lovesthepython.org/cluanie.jpg < Massive 2.5M high-res version
[23:50] <gordonjcp> usr13: no, doing NAT makes no sense in that application
[23:51] <usr13> gordonjcp: Yes it does, but this is completely off topic.
[23:51] <ubuntiv> So, how can I make use of traceroute output?
[23:51] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: do you have access to the wireless router config? (web interface ,etc?)
[23:51] <gordonjcp> usr13: no, you'd do NAT in your provisioning server
[23:52] <gordonjcp> you *could* do NAT in the AP but that's ghetto as all hell
[23:52] <ubuntiv> I can access my router, it is right beside me, too :)
[23:52] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: then if you can get into the router config, there should be a status page showing the IP address...if it matches what you see on whatismyip.com then you can simply do port forwarding there
[23:53] <usr13> gordonjcp: If the sysop wants to, each AP on the network can do NAT, and if he is at all security minded, they all will.
[23:53] <gordonjcp> usr13: no no no no no
[23:53] <gordonjcp> a million no
[23:53] <gordonjcp> absolutely not
[23:53] <maxwel-pc> ola
[23:53] <gordonjcp> usr13: you've got no way to control provisioning then
[23:54] <usr13> gordonjcp: Ok, I see that you do not see any advantages to it but if you had very many APs on a network, you would.
[23:54] <gordonjcp> no, you wouldn't
[23:54] <gordonjcp> not unless you basically didn't care about who had access
[23:54] <ubuntiv> ulkesh: YES! it is the same IP
[23:55] <ubuntiv> So I can simply use the port forwarding and that's it?
[23:55] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: then check the port forward settings...then i suggest port forwarding port 2222 (or some other arbitrary upper port ( greater than 1024) to your internal IP of the server you want to ssh to on its port 22
[23:55] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: yes, i believe so
[23:55] <ubuntu22> can anyone help me to get skype video calling to work in 12.04?  My camera works in skype 'options' where i can select the device, it properly displays the camera feed and I can see myself, but I cannot select the 'video button' while in a skype call.
[23:57] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: then once you port forward, you'll probably want to set up dynamic dns (dyndns.org) and put in a client on your computer or if your router can be configured for it....that way if your IP changes, you can still get to the server via dynamic dns
[23:58] <rypervenche> ubuntu22: in a terminal type "skype -version" for me
[23:58] <ubuntu22> rypervenche, Skype 4.2.0.11
[23:58] <ulkesh> ubuntiv: also, from the outside you will ssh to whatever you set your external port in the port forward page (so if you take my suggestion, if your dynamic dns is foo.bar, you'll ssh to foo.bar on port 2222)