[00:09] <hggdh> bugcontrol applications are publicly available for view in the bugcontrol mailing list
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  then i made a mistake :)
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  my point was check the latest changes to their application.
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> ... and i broke my nginx build on a centos server.
[00:09] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: will look
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> ... why is centos so evil...
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> >.<
[00:10] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: but you just patched it ;-)
 UBUNTU IS BETTER THAN CENTOS!  </opinion>
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  ... in ubuntu
[00:10] <hggdh> LOL
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> Ubuntu works fine, centos complains
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> so i'm like "ARGH!  Y U NO WORK" and facedesking
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  while you're there reading their changes, can you give them pointers on what they should look for for triaging, and maybe help give them some guidance?
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> if i don't fix this centos server's nginx build tonight i'm going to go insane.
[00:11] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: ack
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> and probably kick and scream at centos for being evil
[00:12] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  thanks :)
[00:15] <hggdh> taowa: when you give us the five bugs we ask for (applying for bugcontrol), we expect to see good examples of your triaging work. We want to verify you understand triaging in Ubuntu, and that you know how to proceed
[00:16] <hggdh> taowa: but the bugs you gave us do not: (1) show you understand triaging (in Ubuntu); (2) do not follow the basic requirements for triaging
[00:19] <hggdh> taowa: you just send new ones, I can see them. But, again... bug 1176836 -- you state "Couldn't reproduce. Installation was fine...". Is this all? I see the OP used the 20130505 Xubuntu Saucy ISO; while you tried an unspecified ISO
[00:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1176836 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "crash in instalation in virtualbox" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176836
[00:20] <hggdh> taowa: we do not know if you tried Xubuntu, if you checked what happened on the OP's install, etc
[00:20] <hggdh> triaging is, first of all, trying to undestand what is the problem, where it happens, how it happens
[00:21] <hggdh> taowa: please do not /msg me, reply in this channel
[00:21] <taowa> Any other problems
[00:23] <taowa> with my application
[00:25] <hggdh> taowa: bug 1186814 -- this is a request for backporting -- yes, it is a valid request to be put in a bug. The OP is clear that the perceived issue is that we shipped an alpha version (from 2009?). This is an Universe package, and *could* be backported to Precise (if someone is interested enough to do the work)
[00:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1186814 in mtpaint (Ubuntu) "[backport request] mtPaint in precise is an outdated version (dev named it alpha status in 2009)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1186814
[00:25] <taowa> Yes?
[00:26] <taowa> How should i proceed with my application?
[00:27] <hggdh> taowa: in my opinion, you need to re-read the guidelines (see the links I provided you in my response to your original application). Right now, just by looking at these two first bugs you resubmitted, I still do not have confidence on your understanding of triaging Ubuntu
[00:28] <taowa> CAn you look at the resr?
[00:28] <hggdh> taowa: so my personal vote is still -1. Please do re-read it, and feel free to discuss, in this channel, any doubts. We want your help, but we also want you to understand the work we need to do
[00:28] <hggdh> taowa: I can, and will, look at the rest. But, right now, I am busy. Will keep on tomorrow.
[17:37] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: can you, or some else volunteer to hold the excellent session Gema did last series re: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy#Section_2 Thanks. If no one can do the 'intro' one I'll hold it again. If someone wants to hold it, feel free to edit it and put a new name in! The sessionss are planned 24th June --> 30th June. Odd UTC times are not a major issue, there are people all over the planet :D
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  that's the week I have vacation, you'll have teo find someone else
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> to*
[17:39] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: any idea of who to ask?
[17:39]  * TheLordOfTime will be in the middle of the forest in a cabin by a lake with his girlfriend and will not have internet.
[17:39] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  unfortunately not
[17:40] <phillw> okies, I'll try the mailing list :)
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  hasn't it only been, like, two months since the last round of these sessions???
[17:42] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: Feb 2012, a lot later in the cycle than was planned. We want to get them in a bit earlier this cycle :)
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  in the offchance my girlfriend cancels the vacation and decides to come with me and the rest of my family to the beach later in july i'll be around to lurk but i'm not qualified, IMO, to give the session.
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> namely because i can't guarantee i won't be working :P
[17:43] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: don't worry... go enjoy the vacation. Brian may be able to spare 30 mins during the course of 7 days :)
[17:44] <TheLordOfTime> probably :)
[17:44] <phillw> I'll run the beginners one just before any date and time he was available.
[17:44] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  and i'm serious, my girlfriend might cancel the vacation and just come with on the beach trip, if she decides that instead of a tiny little getaway with me, then... i'll be here that week, otherwise i won't :P
[17:46] <phillw> don't feel under pressure. I have the notes from Gema's session along with questions, I can always defer any I cannot answer to this irc channel so as to advertise it more :)
[18:38] <bdmurray> phillw: I can do it after yours on the 24th
[18:39] <phillw> bdmurray: thanks! I see that Javier has added on a section for verifying SRU tests, which should also be useful