[04:45] <pitti> Good morning
[04:49] <darkxst> pitti, hi
[04:49] <pitti> hey darkxst, how are you?
[04:49] <darkxst> good, although had a really wet weekend here!
[04:50] <pitti> heh, here too (and the week before)
[04:50] <darkxst> we had 100mm rain
[04:55] <darkxst> pitti, so the journald stuff in gnome-session, is completely harmless, right?
[04:56] <mlankhorst> ah weekend was dry here, really great :)
[05:03] <pitti> darkxst: I don't know -- but we don't ship the systemd journal bits right now
[05:05] <darkxst> pitti, it calls sd_journal_send, which seems to exist, but I am guessing that the messages just don't go anywhere?
[05:06] <pitti> darkxst: ah right, libsystemd-journal does exist; I hope that has some syslog() fallback
[05:12] <darkxst> pitti, I do not see the messages end up in syslog
[05:14] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=9ec4deede968ad55d18340109c5aa9f6416de13d
[05:17] <pitti> darkxst: ah, this only adds some messages, not replace some syslog() (or even g_error) with journald, so it looks harmless to me
[05:22] <darkxst> ok
[06:19] <darkxst> pitti, any thoughts on what should be done with locking (delay inhibitors) under unity?
[06:28] <darkxst> pitti, I could just revert the explicit locking in g-s-d for unity only? or should it be done properly from unity or indicator-session or something?
[06:31] <pitti> darkxst: you mean whether or not the screensaver should lock after suspend?
[06:31] <pitti> I thought I fixed that already (but in g-s-d/g-screensaver, not in unity)
[06:36] <darkxst> pitti, oh right, it wasnt working when I tested it, maybe we are missing some patch in the ppa
[06:37] <pitti> darkxst: I did that in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/3.6.1-0ubuntu5, to mirror gnome-shell's behaviour
[06:37] <pitti> so that g-s-d can be the same, and g-shell or g-screensaver do the locking
[06:38] <pitti> darkxst: I already reverted the explicit locking in g-s-d in saucy after that
[06:38] <pitti> in 3.6.4-0ubuntu10
[06:49] <darkxst> pitti, right, i see, so its really just a case of bringing back to the setting to g-c-c 3.8
[07:03] <jibel> good morning
[07:04] <didrocks> salut jibel, bon week-end?
[07:04] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[07:04] <didrocks> pitti: bonjour! ça va bien, et toi?
[07:07] <jibel> bonjour didrocks, le w.e. a été bon merci, et toi ?
[07:07] <jibel> bonjour pitti !
[07:07] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien aussie, nous avons eu un long week-end, mais il y avait beaucoup de pluie :/
[07:08] <pitti> we went to the Alps for hiking and enjoyed some massages/sauna/whirlpool :)
[07:10] <didrocks> pitti: oh, ça semble sympa. Dommage pour le temps :(
[07:10] <didrocks> je suis allé à Paris ce week-end pour un mariage, pas mal marché dans Paris (les buttes chaumond) mais au retour un peu fatigué en fait ;)
[07:11] <didrocks> Julie et moi étaient comme des loques hier soir
[07:11] <didrocks> au moins, on a eu du soleil (comme aujourd'hui à Lyon)
[07:14] <pitti> didrocks: "les buttes chaumond"?
[07:15] <didrocks> chaumont* en fait
[07:15] <didrocks> pitti: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parc_des_Buttes-Chaumont
[07:15] <pitti> the Chaumond hills?
[07:15] <pitti> ooh
[07:29] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:29] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[07:29] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va bien, et toi, ton long weekend était bien ?
[07:29] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[07:30] <pitti> seb128: oui, mais nous avons eu beaucoup de pluie
[07:30] <pitti> seb128: but we went hiking anyway, with good clothing :)
[07:30] <seb128> :-(
[07:30] <seb128> didrocks, lut ;-)
[07:30] <pitti> seb128: whirlpool, sauna, and massages were a good compensation in the afternoon, and the food there was just awesome
[07:31] <seb128> that looks like a nice program ;-)
[07:31] <sil2100> Morning!
[07:31] <sil2100> didrocks, seb128: I might be a bit less responsive this morning today, as a new month started and I will have to visit a few local authorities as always regarding taxes ;)
[07:31] <didrocks> hey sil2100, how are you?
[07:32] <seb128> hey sil2100
[07:32] <sil2100> Should be done real soon!
[07:32] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, will you still be able to switch 100scopes to saucy distro today? :)
[07:32] <sil2100> didrocks: of course! It's just a matter of driving out somewhere for a moment
[07:33] <didrocks> sil2100: great, ttyl! :)
[07:59] <Laney> morning
[08:00] <seb128> Laney, good morning!
[08:02] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:02] <Laney> good weekend?
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney! yeah, nice week-end, yourself?
[08:04] <Laney> sun and beer :-)
[08:04] <mlankhorst> mmmmmm
[08:04] <Laney> (and a bit of fixing libreoffice)
[08:04] <didrocks> sounds a nice one then! :)
[08:04] <Laney> (but let's not talk about that :P)
[08:05] <mlankhorst> careful, if you say libreoffice 3x, Sweetsha1k will appear in front of you
[08:05] <Laney> sounds like a nice teleportation device
[08:06] <mlankhorst> yeah but it requires an unholy mirror
[08:06] <mlankhorst> did you bike btw this weekend?
[08:06] <Laney> yep, probably 30 miles or so
[08:06] <Laney> getting used to the shoes finally
[08:07] <mlankhorst> yay
[08:07] <mlankhorst> I only did 32 km here on sunday, but I also did some horseback riding outdoors.
[08:08] <Laney> you had nice weather too?
[08:09] <mlankhorst> Yeah, the stables were 16 km away. The weather was so nice it felt like a crime to take the car, which is why I biked. :-)
[08:10] <Laney> \o/
[08:10] <Laney> I hope it's still nice at 6pm tonight ;-)
[08:11] <mlankhorst> me too
[08:28] <dpm> good mornint all
[08:29] <dpm> morning pitti, I've got a question about apport and errors.u.c, I was wondering if you could help me. Why can I see apport crash reports for qreator, but no bugs reported against the package?
[08:29] <dpm> i.e. https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=qreator&period=year
[08:30] <dpm> but no bugs in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qreator
[08:30] <dpm> is it because the package is in extras?
[08:30] <pitti> dpm: we don't usually file upstream bugs from apport
[08:30] <pitti> dpm: if the package ships an apport hook to say that it should file those, it will, but I guess it doesn't
[08:31] <pitti> dpm: also, we haven't enabled ubuntu LP crashes for saucy yet (they just go to errors.u.c.)
[08:32] <dpm> pitti, it doesn't, but I'd be interested to write one. Is there any documentation on how to write such an apport hook to file upstream bugs?
[08:32] <pitti> dpm: yes, in /usr/share/doc/apport/package-hooks.txt.gz
[08:32] <pitti> "Customize the crash DB to use"
[08:33] <pitti> dpm: /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_linux-nexus7.py is an example
[08:34] <dpm> pitti, excellent, thanks. On a more general note: if there is no apport bug, how does the reporting to errors.u.c work right now? Say qreator crashes in precise. I guess the user gets a pop up, they press submit and then the traceback is sent to errors.u.c?
[08:34] <dpm> argh, s/bug/hook/
[08:34] <pitti> dpm: correct
[08:36] <dpm> pitti, gotcha. You said apport does not file bugs against the upstream project, but is it supposed to file a bug against the package?
[08:37] <pitti> dpm: with the hook it will file bugs against upstream
[08:42] <pitti> dpm: we cannot file them against packages, as that isn't in ubuntu
[08:42] <dpm> pitti, what's not in Ubuntu?
[08:43] <pitti> dpm: didn't you say "the package is in extras"?
[08:45] <dpm> pitti, ah, yeah, that was the original question. That makes it clear. But on a generic note, if the package were in universe, would it be possible to file the bug against the package? And what's the policy for packages in Ubuntu, do we file bugs automatically against packages if there isn't an apport hook, or do they get sent to errors.u.c?
[08:50] <Laney> how do I make ps-jenkins re-run CI on a MP?
[08:55] <pitti> dpm: yes, as soon as it's in ubuntu proper, the bugs against ubuntu would be created
[08:55] <pitti> dpm: (sorry, talking in mumble, too)
[08:56] <pitti> dpm: they always get sent to errors, and if it's an ubuntu package also to LP as distro bugs
[08:56] <pitti> dpm: but we haven't enabled the latter yet (we disable it for stable releases)
[08:58] <dpm> pitti, no worries, thanks for taking the time to answer :)
[10:02] <xclaesse> ricotz, cool the problem when configuring the kernel is fixed :)
[10:02] <xclaesse> the missing libpango something error
[10:03] <xclaesse> seb128, there is a problem with gedit in gnome3 raring ppa: some plugins does not load because it does not have the python loader
[10:03] <seb128> xclaesse, talk to ricotz or jbicha or darkxst, they maintain the ppa packages
[10:04] <xclaesse> seb128, ok :)
[10:10] <ricotz> xclaesse, the gedit and gedit-plugins packages are copies from saucy
[10:44] <pitti> didrocks: ah, still remember? bug 1185592
[10:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1185592 in systemd (Ubuntu) "pam_systemd not enabled in saucy upgrade" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185592
[10:44] <pitti> didrocks: did you happen to file a bug about this already?
[10:44] <pitti> s/already/back then/
[10:44] <pitti> ISTR that you did, but I cannot find it in my awesome bar
[10:44] <ricotz> seb128, hi, please take a look at https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/3235257/+listing-archive-extra and maybe even sponsor it
[10:48] <ricotz> pitti, hi, this might be something sru worthy https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+sourcepub/3240848/+listing-archive-extra
[10:48] <Laney> i do wish you'd use the sponsor queue instead of pinging people
[10:51] <pitti> I thought that was uploaded to -proposed already
[10:51] <pitti> it was, see the referenced bug
[10:53] <ricotz> pitti, ah no, this is 3.8.2 with the ubuntu patch
[10:54] <Laney> hmm, where's the e.u.c bucket for that?
[10:54] <Laney> should probably verify it
[10:58] <asac> sound setting sdoesnt display the camera name anymore ... it shows the device ID
[10:59] <asac> hmm ... and gnome-screenshot always is black :) (guess because i use a dock?)
[10:59] <pitti> I use a dock too, and g-screenshot works
[10:59] <asac> seb128: ^^ known?
[10:59] <asac> hmm
[10:59] <asac> http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/00sound_no_device_name.png
[10:59] <asac> thats the screenshot i took from my sound settings dialog :)
[11:01] <asac> hgmm
[11:03] <asac> is there anything important in the /org/gnome dconf hierarchY?
[11:04] <asac> like data that i rather dont want to loose?
[11:05] <asac> sweems it works if i log in while its docked
[11:05] <asac> let me see if it breaks if i log in while its undocked and dock later
[11:07] <asac>  reproducibe :) ... docked: screenshot sorks, undock + screenshot works, suspend, put on the dock, unsuspend, screenshot does not work
[11:07] <asac> guess its still tryuing to screenshot the internal screen
[11:07] <asac> let me see without suspending
[11:27] <seb128> asac, not known no
[11:39] <didrocks> pitti: I think you mean bug #1176910, isn't it?
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1176910 in pam (Ubuntu) "pam-auth-update can fail during raring -> saucy upgrade leading you to a broken session" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176910
[11:44] <asac> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1186961
[11:44] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1186961 in gnome-screenshot (Ubuntu) "gnome screenshot gets confused when dock while suspended" [Undecided,New]
[11:47] <pitti> right, thanks
[11:47] <asac> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1186963
[11:47] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1186963 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "online account needs attention dialog does not open online account settings dialog" [Undecided,New]
[11:57] <seb128> asac, for the second one can you post a screenshot of the dialog?
[11:57] <seb128> asac, is that facebook?
[11:57] <seb128> asac, it could be due to https://developers.facebook.com/bugs/449221825171392
[11:58] <asac> seb128: not sure... if it pops up again i can do that.
[11:58] <asac> i think this dialog is not facebook specific
[11:58] <asac> so i think the bug applies whenever you have a problem with online accounts... can be wrong though
[11:59] <asac> seb128: its two google/gmail accounts having troubles.
[11:59] <asac> let me wait till i see the dialog again
[11:59] <asac> oh i have it :)
[11:59] <asac> it was in the background
[11:59] <asac> oh no :)
[12:00] <asac> i clicked it:)
[12:00] <asac> let me see
[12:03] <asac> seb128: attached
[12:03] <seb128> thanks
[13:59] <Laney> chrisccoulson: Just remembered - found out you can buy AB:13 to take away from the bars. It's cheaper *and* you get a free cool looking Abstrakt glass!
[14:00]  * Laney is happy now
[14:00] <czajkowski> Laney: awww
[14:00] <Laney> looks like https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6743975937_a1a8c3c4fa.jpg
[14:01] <Laney> (as if you'd be able / want to drink that much at once :P)
[14:03] <czajkowski> Laney: went to the Guildford beer festival on Friday night, not a big beer drinker but they had some yummy ciders there
[14:03] <Laney> czajkowski: yay!
[14:03] <czajkowski> although one just smelled nice but didnt taste great, toffee cider!
[14:03] <Laney> we'll have you joining camra in no time
[14:05] <czajkowski> Laney: the other half is :)
[14:05] <Laney> \o/
[14:05] <czajkowski> I just go for the ciders!
[14:05] <czajkowski> lovely blackcurrent one!
[14:05] <Laney> friend went to one in Northampton at the weekend that had a gin tent :o
[14:06] <czajkowski> the Farnham one was a few weeks ago, that is MASSIVE! and requires people getting up at 4am to queue to get tickets which are 10 quid
[14:06] <czajkowski> guildford one is 9 quid, and 5 back if you're a camra member
[14:07] <Laney> gosh
[14:07] <Laney> cant you buy them in advance?
[14:07] <czajkowski> guildford ones online
[14:08] <czajkowski> not the farnham one, the other half and  popey queued this year tonget the tickts for about 10 people, they rotate the queuing :)
[14:08] <Laney> wowzers
[14:08] <czajkowski> it's a 3 day event
[14:08] <czajkowski> it's MASSIVE
[14:08] <Laney> nottm's one is huge
[14:08] <Laney> they had 1000 beers last year
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> Laney, excellent. Unfortunately, going to a bar means a trip in to birmingham for me ;)
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> which is a deal breaker
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> :)
[14:08] <Laney> unfortunately and birmingham sounds quite right to me
[14:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you really hate Birmingham :p
[14:09] <czajkowski> seb128: you would too if you could understand a word they said
[14:09] <czajkowski> baffling accent!
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, if i drive in to birmingham, there's roughly a 170% chance that somebody will drive in to my car whilst trying to park badly on the side of the street
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> ok, i made that figure up ;)
[14:10] <Laney> try visiting new street station one day
[14:10] <seb128> czajkowski, I've been there once, it was alright, they even have sand and chairs outside with wifi in summer!
[14:10] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: I came back from LRL one year on a bus back to birmingham airport, and a rock was thrown on the bus smashed screen had to pull in and get another bus to bring us
[14:10] <Laney> O_O
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> czajkowski, ouch, that doesn't surprise me at all
[14:11] <Laney> that once happened to our school bus
[14:11] <Laney> was quite exciting at the time
[14:11] <czajkowski> not happy with a massive headache from LRL and dashing back to aiport, got back ok though :)
[14:16] <mlankhorst> heya
[14:29] <czajkowski> dekstop folks I need your help, when I change my background image on my desktop I select a background colour to go with an image, now no matter what colour I pick it ends up being back. easy way to see this is look at the images in https://plus.google.com/photos/102921374554385564572/albums/5828780419733837681
[14:30] <czajkowski> something is over riding the background colour
[14:31] <mlankhorst> czajkowski: does it work if you set background to none?
[14:32] <czajkowski> mlankhorst: how would I do that ?
[14:34] <mlankhorst> change it to color and gradients
[14:35] <czajkowski> hmm no option to do so
[14:37] <mlankhorst> should be when you click 'wallpapers'
[14:38] <czajkowski> hmm nope.
[14:39] <czajkowski> no biggie figure it must have broken some how
[14:46] <Laney> hmm, why is that broken?
[14:46] <Laney> mlankhorst: does it work for you?
[14:48] <mlankhorst> worksforme, afaict
[14:48] <Laney> r/s?
[14:48] <mlankhorst> I'd need to know exact release + gpu + driver to say for sure
[14:48] <Laney> I bet it's nautilus/compiz
[14:49] <mlankhorst> probably compiz
[14:49] <mlankhorst> hm no compiz doesn't draw the bg
[14:56] <seb128> nautilus draws the background, likely a bug in nautilus 3.6 (I think I saw that on launchpad during the raring cycle)
[14:57] <Laney> I remember some theme fix for 3.8
[15:04] <mitya57> some recent ubuntu-themes upload should have fixed that
[15:05] <mitya57> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/13.04daily13.05.31-0ubuntu1
[15:05] <mitya57> ah, no, it still needs another fix on compiz side
[15:07] <seb128> on compiz?
[15:07] <seb128> we also don't have nautilus 3.8 in Ubuntu, it's just in the ppa so far
[15:07] <Laney> gtk
[15:07] <Laney> wasn't it?
[15:08] <seb128> gtk?
[15:08] <mitya57> there is a patch for compiz in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1159430/comments/16
[15:08] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1159430 in Ubuntu GNOME "Nautilus 3.7.92 breaks desktop background on Unity" [Low,Confirmed]
[15:08] <seb128> was it broken in raring?
[15:08] <mitya57> (if we are talking about the same issue)
[15:09] <mitya57> It is broken for raring-with-ppa users I suppose
[15:10] <seb128> mitya57, no, we are not, czajkowski has an issue that if you have a background image which is not fullscreen, the color on the empty areas doesn't follow the selected color in the appareance capplet
[15:11] <Laney> it doesn't change at all for me if I select colours and gradients
[15:11] <seb128> right
[15:11] <mitya57> ok, just both issues match "nautilus draws the background" and "some theme fix" keywords...
[15:11] <czajkowski> seb128: bingo
[15:11] <seb128> but afaik that was broken in raring as well, I think I remember reading a bug/noticing before release
[15:12] <seb128> likely a nautilus 3.6 issue
[15:12] <seb128> it never made it high on my list of issues to look at though, I didn't know anyone was using that color
[15:13] <czajkowski> seb128: may have stopped abut 9 weeks ago as that was the last night I didnt have a black border around my image.
[15:13] <czajkowski> not a biggie
[15:16] <dobey> seb128: pretty sure it's broken in raring too.
[15:30]  * Laney builds le glib
[15:34] <Laney> desrt: so I made a libglib2.0-tests package which has /usr/share/installed-tests and /usr/lib/glib2.0/installed-tests
[15:34] <Laney> is that what you had in mind?
[15:38] <sil2100> kenvandine: ping!
[15:38] <kenvandine> sil2100: pong
[15:39] <sil2100> kenvandine: did you see webcreds latest daily-release run? It seems there have been some build failures and the stack didn't publish
[15:39] <sil2100> kenvandine: is that a known issue? Could you take a look?
[15:39] <kenvandine> it is known
[15:40] <kenvandine> i spent my friday fighting that
[15:40] <kenvandine> due to the switch to saucy
[15:40] <kenvandine> build failures because of toolchain changes
[15:41] <kenvandine> sil2100: it's quite a mess... i'm working on it
[15:42] <sil2100> kenvandine: ok, thanks ;)
[15:59] <kenvandine> jdstrand, could you please comment on bug 1180297 on the proposed workaround for facebook login with http?
[15:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1180297 in gnome-control-center-signon (Ubuntu) "Opening facebook "Success" page in external browser" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180297
[16:00] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i suspect you don't approve of that, but it really sucks that it's broken for so many people right now
[16:00] <kenvandine> jdstrand, there are branches proposed that lets it allow http
[16:01] <mhr3> larsu, ping?
[16:01] <larsu> mhr3: hey
[16:02] <mhr3> larsu, hey, how is it going?
[16:02] <larsu> good, thanks :) And yourself?
[16:02] <jasoncwarner> morning everyone
[16:02] <kenvandine> good morning jasoncwarner
[16:03] <mhr3> larsu, good, returned from holiday last week so well relaxed :)
[16:03] <jasoncwarner> morning kenvandine hope your back is doing better!
[16:03] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner, much :)
[16:03] <ritz__> cyphermox hi, any updates from ubuntu security on lp#1116317 ?
[16:03] <mhr3> larsu, anyway, weren't indicators at some point using keyfiles in a way where you could have multiple sections of something?
[16:04] <mhr3> or was it something else using keyfiles in this way
[16:04] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine: glad to hear that ;)
[16:05] <kenvandine> me too :)
[16:05] <larsu> mhr3: not sure what you mean by multiple sections... the indicators are using keyfiles now
[16:06] <larsu> mhr3: every indicator installs a keyfile in /usr/share/unity/indicators
[16:06] <larsu> the shell uses that to find out which indicators there are and on which bus names to find them
[16:07] <cyphermox> ritz__: I thought I had let you know some time ago, yes, Joss' patches are fine.
[16:07] <mhr3> larsu, keyfiles have [Sections] and Keys=... inside them, I wondering if you had experience with using something like [Section1] keys... [Section2] more keys
[16:08] <mhr3> larsu, in a way where Section was basically an object
[16:08] <mhr3> and 1 and 2 two instances of the same object
[16:08] <mhr3> hope it makes sense now
[16:09] <mhr3> i know i saw it used that way somewhere, just not sure where
[16:12] <ritz__> cyphermox hmm, thanks. I must have missed this out
[16:13] <ritz__> cyphermox should I post this for SRU along with the patch
[16:13] <cyphermox> please do if you have time to look into it
[16:14] <cyphermox> we should get the ok from the sru team first though, it seems like a fairly intrusive patch
[16:14] <cyphermox> though it does not affect the default behavior, i expect some enterprise users to be affected
[16:16] <larsu> mhr3: yes, that's exactly what we're doing (sorry for the lag, I'm in a meeting as well)
[16:17] <larsu> mhr3: indicators can export different profiles (desktop, greeter, etc), and we have a section for each of them
[16:19] <mhr3> larsu, do you support any number of those profiles or just a few?
[16:19] <larsu> mhr3: just a few
[16:20] <mhr3> larsu, we need N, and basically what i'm wondering is whether doing [Category1] ... [Category2] ... is sane
[16:21] <larsu> mhr3: it's possible, but a bit weird
[16:21] <larsu> desktop files uses that for actions
[16:21] <mhr3> hm, i guess that's where i saw it
[16:22] <larsu> what is your specific use case?
[16:22] <mhr3> want to define scope categories in the scope ini file
[16:23] <mhr3> which means defining N ids, translatable titles and icons
[16:24] <larsu> so you'd have something like "Categories=A;B;C" in the main section and then "[Category A] title=A" ...
[16:25] <kenvandine> sil2100: mind reviewing this?  https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/cupstream2distro-config/app_dep_on_webcred
[16:26] <mhr3> larsu, also a way, but i still don't like it much :)
[16:27] <larsu> mhr3: ah, you'd just have the categories and iterate over them?
[16:27] <mhr3> yep
[16:27] <larsu> that's a bit cleaner
[16:27] <mhr3> i guess the problem is that ini format isn't really suitable for this
[16:27] <larsu> I think they did it like this in desktop files because some libraries couldn't iterate over sections *cough*KDE*cough
[16:28] <mhr3> heh
[16:28] <sil2100> kenvandine: looking!
[16:28] <kenvandine> sil2100: thx
[16:29] <sil2100> kenvandine: the webbrowser app is using webcreds?
[16:33] <Laney> desrt: test_writable now fails because nothing creates $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in the build chroot
[16:46] <Laney> would it be bad to export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$(mktemp -d) for the testsuite?
[17:00] <mfisch> Can someone tell me what component is responsible for scanning folders, like ~/Pictures, so that they show up in the Files lens? Is it zeitgeist? the lens itself or another piece?
[17:12] <mhr3> mfisch, locatedb
[17:12] <mhr3> zg is used too, but it doesn't scan
[17:12] <Laney> (obviously not actually mktemp -d; creating a directory under debian/)
[17:12] <Laney> (trying this)
[17:14] <kenvandine> sil2100: not that i know of
[17:15] <kenvandine> sil2100: but gallery-app and share-app do
[17:19] <mfisch> mhr3: thanks, I've got 2 issues, no new files showing up and no icons, I think I know why the last one happens
[17:21] <mhr3> mfisch, does `locate foo` find the files you're searching for?
[17:22] <mfisch> mhr3: looks like it'd never been run before, I bet this helps
[17:23] <mhr3> mfisch, heh, yea it should
[17:23]  * mhr3 out
[17:31]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:07] <Laney> hrm, now the gsettings test fails in main()
[18:07] <Laney> a task for tomorrow methinks
[18:16] <tsdgeos> seb128: do you happen to know who packages poppler-data?
[18:23] <desrt> Laney: it seems semi-reasonable, i guessa
[19:10] <mfisch> sil2100 or mterry does unity-lens-photos search shotwell's database of photos or can it also scan the filesystem?
[19:10] <seb128> tsdgeos, debian
[19:10] <seb128> tsdgeos, why
[19:22] <jasoncwarner> seb128: still around?
[19:22] <seb128> jasoncwarner, yes
[19:22] <jasoncwarner> seb128: have time for a quick hangout with cyphermox and I?
[19:23] <cyphermox> jasoncwarner: I can't really do hangout right now
[19:23] <cyphermox> can't we discuss that on IRC?
[19:23] <seb128> IRC is easier than hangout for me as well
[19:24] <cyphermox> seb128: it's just that I'm concerned and I think given how settings and indicator for the network stuff are interdependent we need to be careful about making sure it all works nicely ;)
[19:25] <seb128> cyphermox, concerned about what?
[19:25] <cyphermox> seb128: mostly about not getting something as messy as the current mix of nm-connection-editor and gnome-control-center
[19:25] <cyphermox> which things working oddly between both, and people getting a different experience between both :)
[19:26] <seb128> cyphermox, are we speaking phone or desktop?
[19:27] <cyphermox> well, phone, though this affects desktop to a greater degree
[19:28] <cyphermox> given that it seems to be two different groups doing the indicator and the settings, I just want to make sure everyone talks
[19:28] <cyphermox> for example, perhaps the indicator should eventually punt the user to a frame in the settings to setup a wifi,
[19:29] <cyphermox> also, there are some things we'll need to include in the settings / indicator for mobile data, I think the UI should be what asks oFono about contexts to be able to create connections with NM
[19:29] <seb128> cyphermox, two different groups ... not really, for things which have a system indicator and a setting panel we will share the backend
[19:29] <cyphermox> ok
[19:29] <cyphermox> fair enough
[19:30] <seb128> cyphermox, the settings panel should probably be a different qmenumodel over the same actions
[19:30] <seb128> cyphermox, e.g just slightly different views built from the model
[19:30] <seb128> so indicator-network-service will probably have the model and actions
[19:30] <cyphermox> good
[19:30] <seb128> and the indicator and system settings will just have a different layout of the actions
[19:30] <seb128> tedg is working on that
[19:30] <cyphermox> ok
[19:32] <cyphermox> in that case do you want to do a hangout tomorrow morning to complete your spreadsheet?
[19:32] <cyphermox> I can help with specifying the backends and such
[19:33] <seb128> cyphermox, sure, did you see my email some days ago? I want to do a sync-up meeting for system settings this week, probably thursday (I need to check if that works for everyone)
[19:34] <seb128> cyphermox, but we can discuss a bit networking details tomorrow, that sounds good to me
[19:34] <cyphermox> ok, thursday is good
[19:34] <cyphermox> great
[19:35] <cyphermox> I'm going to discuss what's up with 3G data with Tony a bit, just to make sure we're on the same page
[19:35] <seb128> ok, good
[19:36] <seb128> on that note I'm away for a bit
[19:36] <seb128> bbl
[20:01] <mterry> mfisch, you didn't get an answer for your shotwell question, did you?
[20:02] <mfisch> mterry: not yet, but I'm not sure it will solve our issue
[20:02] <mfisch> mterry: I'm 90% sure it pulls from shotwell's db
[20:02] <mterry> mfisch, the answer is that I *believe* it searches certain user directories like ~/Pictures but not a full scan.  I'd have to look at code to confirm
[20:03] <mfisch> lol we disagree
[20:03] <mfisch> I'm pulling the code now
[20:03] <mterry> mfisch, I wasn't too involved in the writing of it, just reviewed it for MIR
[20:04] <mfisch> it has a picasa, fb, flickr, and shotwell scope
[20:04] <mfisch> and I dont see a scan of ~/Pictures, which is really what I want, but I'll ping david calle
[20:28] <larsu> is anyone having problems with firefox on saucy? It brings my system to a halt
[20:29] <larsu> it seems to be causing a lot of disk i/o
[20:29] <seb128> larsu, wfm
[20:30] <seb128> larsu, but maybe chrisccoulson knows about some issue
[20:33] <larsu> seb128: hm, thanks
[20:34]  * larsu uses Web in the mean time
[20:36] <mhr3> yey, achievement unlocked - my blog linked from phoronix :)
[20:37] <seb128> larsu, did you try downgrading to see if the issue goes away?
[20:38] <seb128> mhr3, you have a blog?
[20:38] <kenvandine> what's a blog?
[20:38] <kenvandine> :-D
[20:38]  * kenvandine really needs to blog more often 
[20:38] <seb128> kenvandine, the stuff that people used before g+ cale I think
[20:38] <seb128> came
[20:38] <kenvandine> :-D
[20:39] <mhr3> seb128, ok, ok, the achievement was called by "granpa award" :P
[20:39] <larsu> seb128: no I havn't done much debugging yet (in the middle of hacking). I'll try more tonigh
[20:39] <larsu> *tonight
[20:42] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I'm on holiday this week, can you ask another member of the team? perhaps mdeslaur or sarnold?
[20:43] <jdstrand> kenvandine: or if it can wait, I'll be back next week
[20:46] <kenvandine> jdstrand, sure!
[20:46] <kenvandine> jdstrand, enjoy your vacation :)
[20:47] <kenvandine> mdeslaur, could you please comment on bug 1180297
[20:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1180297 in gnome-control-center-signon (Ubuntu) "Opening facebook "Success" page in external browser" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180297
[20:47] <kenvandine> mdeslaur, specifically about the proposed fix to allow http auth for facebook
[20:47] <kenvandine> as a work around
[20:48] <mdeslaur> kenvandine: one sec, let me look
[20:54] <mdeslaur> kenvandine: ok, commented
[20:55] <kenvandine> mdeslaur, thanks!
[20:55] <mdeslaur> kenvandine: not much we can do I guess, stoopid facebook :P
[20:55] <kenvandine> yeah :/
[20:55] <kenvandine> very annoying
[20:55] <kenvandine> i just wanted to make sure we had some feedback from you guys before merging that :/
[20:56] <mdeslaur> kenvandine: sure, thanks for asking us
[20:56] <seb128> kenvandine, did anyone try to "ping" on the fb ticket?
[20:58] <kenvandine> i didn't really see a way
[20:58] <seb128> open another ticket? :p
[20:59] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:00]  * kenvandine hasn't been using facebook on my phone lately (when away from my own wifi) because i know this bug exists
[21:00] <kenvandine> it should really be a higher priority...
[21:00] <kenvandine> but i guess security isn't facebook's top concern :/
[21:00] <seb128> so the fb app does non secure connections and they don't care?
[21:01] <kenvandine> it has to
[21:01] <kenvandine> there is a redirect in the middle of the oauth process to http
[21:01] <thumper> hi kenvandine
[21:01] <kenvandine> and then back to https
[21:01] <kenvandine> hey thumper
[21:01] <thumper> kenvandine: how do I get the friends app?
[21:01] <thumper> I must be stupid or something
[21:01] <thumper> can't find it
[21:01] <kenvandine> apt-get install friends-app
[21:01] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:02] <thumper> ta,
[21:02] <thumper> getting now
[21:02] <kenvandine> seb128, it has nothing to do with ubuntu... it's just that signon-ui enforces ssl only
[21:02] <kenvandine> thumper, np
[21:02] <kenvandine> it shows that the facebook app doesn't fail for non-ssl
[21:02] <seb128> kenvandine, just weird that they are so slow to deal with it
[21:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:03] <kenvandine> and it isn't the first time
[21:03] <kenvandine> last time it was fixed in less than 2 weeks
[21:03] <seb128> kenvandine, you seem paranoid about your fb credential as well ;-)
[21:03] <kenvandine> i've had my account hijacked before!
[21:03] <seb128> well maybe I'm not because I don't put anything personal on there
[21:04] <kenvandine> and i was using the same password for twitter
[21:04] <kenvandine> shortly after my twitter account was hijacked
[21:04] <seb128> not cool
[21:04] <kenvandine> my only real complaint was my friends having to see spam
[21:04] <kenvandine> in my feed
[21:05] <kenvandine> i need to run... see you guys later!
[21:05] <seb128> kenvandine, ttyl