[14:03] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[14:03] <bdrung> reminder: meeting in one hour
[14:03] <Laney> hahaha
[14:03] <Laney> thanks ♥
[14:04] <tumbleweed> we haven't fixed our calendar yet?
[14:13] <Laney> looks right to me
[14:18] <tumbleweed> it says we're having one now
[14:18] <tumbleweed> oh, no that's the one in my calendar
[14:18] <tumbleweed> grr
[14:18]  * tumbleweed re-copies to my calendar
[14:59] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[15:00] <mfisch> morning
[15:01] <Laney> O HAI
[15:01] <Laney> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  3 15:01:16 2013 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <tumbleweed> o/
[15:01] <mitya57> evening
[15:02] <mfisch> morning
[15:02] <mitya57> :)
[15:02]  * Laney waits for one more dmber to come out of the woodwork
[15:02] <Laney> oh, I guess bdrung already did
[15:02] <Laney> ok
[15:02] <Laney> someone remind me if the previous action items is current please
[15:03]  * barry waves
[15:03] <bdrung> o/
[15:03] <bdrung> we are quorate
[15:03] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:04] <Laney> ok, since nobody wants to tell me :P
[15:04] <Laney> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:04] <bdrung> Laney: yes, i did write a short summary. so this action item is done.
[15:04] <Laney> #subtopic bdrung to write up a short summary of sweetshark's recent sponsorship
[15:04] <Laney> ^
[15:04] <Laney> #subtopic barry to conduct sweetshark ppu vote on ubuntu-dmb list
[15:04] <Laney> done also
[15:04] <Laney> barry: did you send feedback on the outcome?
[15:05] <barry> Laney: i did not, but i will do that
[15:05] <Laney> merci
[15:05] <Laney> #action barry to send outcome of sweetshark ppu vote
[15:05] <meetingology> ACTION: barry to send outcome of sweetshark ppu vote
[15:05] <Laney> #subtopic all: review separation of ppu from membership
[15:06] <Laney> You probably saw that I sent this to the list and put it on http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal
[15:06] <stgraber> I saw it, I even think I read it, but I don't remember it and forgot to comment, so I guess I'll have to go through it again... sorry
[15:06] <Laney> please make some time to consider it and the questions I posed there
[15:06] <Laney> I'd like to get it voted on at the next meeting
[15:07] <Laney> the main thing is that I find the discinction between PPU with and without membership and packagesets to be confusing
[15:07] <Laney> so I'd appreciate everyone thinking about how that should look
[15:08] <Laney> #action everyone read and amend http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal, and sign up for the implementation tasks
[15:08] <meetingology> ACTION: everyone read and amend http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal, and sign up for the implementation tasks
[15:08] <Laney> #topic Adjusting dynamic PPU to make being a DD and an Ubuntu Developer of any kind the prerequisite, instead of PPU.
[15:08]  * Laney finds the mail
[15:08] <barry> Laney: i vaguely recall responding to that particular issue ;)
[15:08] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2013-May/000483.html
[15:09] <Laney> barry: you did!
[15:10] <Laney> so this is an issue that the DD-PPU thing we approved a while back is maybe too restrictive
[15:10] <Laney> it says that people have to be PPU already, but it seems eminently sensible to me that it should just be updated to say that you must be an Ubuntu Developer of any kind
[15:10] <Laney> yes?
[15:10] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:11] <micahg-work> +1
[15:11] <bdrung> +1
[15:11] <barry> +1
[15:11] <stgraber> I believe we already abused that part of the process in the past, can't remember the specific case, but I do remember us granting extra upload rights to a non-PPU member who was in ubuntu-dev for other reasons
[15:11] <stgraber> so yeah, +1
[15:11] <micahg-work> there are already safeguards in the document about expanding permissions, so I think we're good in that regard
[15:11] <Laney> ok
[15:11] <micahg-work> hrm
[15:11] <micahg-work> Uploading Ubuntu Developer
[15:11] <Laney> #action laney to update DD-PPU process to say that any ubuntu-dev is eligible
[15:11] <meetingology> ACTION: laney to update DD-PPU process to say that any ubuntu-dev is eligible
[15:12] <micahg-work> we can still special case non-uploading if we'd want, but I'd rather have the doc say uploading
[15:12] <micahg-work> or something to that extent
[15:12] <Laney> I'll let you know when I've changed it so you can review
[15:13] <Laney> let's do some applications
[15:13]  * Laney checks who was first
[15:13] <Laney> ok, that's ...
[15:13] <bdrung> Laney: could the dynamic-ppu-procedure moved to a wiki page (to be more prominent)?
[15:13] <Laney> bdrung: it is already
[15:14] <Laney> that's just the "law", but the end-user part is on ApplicationProcess iirc
[15:14] <bdrung> Laney: where?
[15:14] <Laney> moving on
[15:14] <Laney> #topic MOTU Application - Matt Fischer
[15:14]  * mfisch waves
[15:14] <Laney> hi mfisch!
[15:14] <Laney> care to give us a quick introduction?
[15:14] <mfisch> Sure
[15:15] <mfisch> My name is Matt Fischer, I've been working on Ubuntu now for about 18 months in my free time
[15:15] <mfisch> My day job is at Canonical, where we work on contracted work for Ubuntu
[15:15] <mfisch> like Ubuntu for Android
[15:15] <mfisch> but most of my contribs are in my free time
[15:16] <mfisch> I mainly work on desktop packages
[15:16] <mfisch> since I'm most familiar with them
[15:16] <mfisch> I didn't review what other intros were, so I'm out of stuff to say, but I can answer questions ;)
[15:17] <Laney> seems fine :P
[15:18] <Laney> how comfortable would you say you are with ubuntu development (packaging and process) at this point?
[15:18] <Laney> and/or do you know how & where to get help if you need it?
[15:18] <mfisch> I'm very comfortable with packaging, that is what I do lots of in my free time and my work time. I am also comfortable with process
[15:19] <mfisch> I usually work with a mentor (Robert Ancell) or get help from #ubuntu-desktop on desktop stuff
[15:19] <mfisch> more general stuff, I go to #ubuntu-motu
[15:20] <mfisch> As for updates and syncs, I'm familiar with the old way (debdiff), the UDD way, and the Ubuntu Desktop way
[15:20] <Laney> so as you said, you like to work on desktop stuff - will you be applying to join the ubuntu desktop team any time soon? :-)
[15:20] <Laney> MOTU doesn't let you upload a lot of that stuff so you might still need quite a bit of sponsorship
[15:20] <mfisch> Laney: yes, I will be applying
[15:20] <mfisch> I've spoken to seb about it
[15:21] <mfisch> my work tends to be bursty, as I have kids and time is scarce some evenings, but I
[15:21] <micahg-work> mfisch, do you have an interest in general universe packages, I see you're mostly doing desktop + gnome
[15:21] <Laney> yeah I see on http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=*&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Matthew+Fischer&sponsoree_search=name  that he's sponsored you a bit
[15:21] <mfisch> sorry, I'm trying to work on more desktop stuffd
[15:21]  * Laney hands the floor over
[15:22] <mfisch> micahg-work: yes, but desktop has been a focus because its been easy for me to work with people there
[15:22] <mfisch> I have a new universe package and one more on the way from debian
[15:22] <mfisch> (dateutils)
[15:22] <mfisch> and ubuntu-accomps and friends are universe I think
[15:23] <barry> mfisch: just to follow that thread a bit, do you think motu will actually be useful for you right now, assuming you do join the desktop team?  i mean, would desktop + ppu on a handful of additional packages be enough?
[15:24] <mfisch> barry: thinking, one sec
[15:25] <mfisch> barry: Its true that I've not done many MOTU updates recently, but I still think it would be useful to me. However, my ultimate goal is probably Ubuntu desktop
[15:25] <mfisch> I saw MOTU as part of the path to that
[15:25] <barry> mfisch: i don't mean to be discouraging in any way, i'm just trying to tease out what your goals are
[15:25] <mfisch> barry: Eventually I'd like both. My plan was to apply for desktop in a couple months
[15:26] <mfisch> barry: Is experience in desktop packages not applicable for motu?
[15:26] <Laney> we certainly want people who want to help out with universe
[15:27] <barry> mfisch: oh, i do think it is definitely.  i'm just curious mostly as to why you chose the path you did (emphatically *not* implying you did anything wrong or out of order)
[15:28] <mfisch> Ideally these rights can help me at my day job, but mainly I enjoy contributing
[15:28] <barry> mfisch: thanks.  i yield the floor to bdrung
[15:30] <bdrung> mfisch: do you collaborate with Debian developers?
[15:30] <mfisch> bdrung: yes, I've been working with a mentor there to do some new packaging
[15:30] <mfisch> bdrung: I could certainly do more
[15:32] <Laney> the gnome team is cool ;-)
[15:32] <Laney> (if you like svn)
[15:32] <Laney> (hahaha)
[15:32] <tumbleweed> if you like svn, join the python teams too :P
[15:32] <bdrung> mfisch: it's good to see new packages come through Debian.  do you plan do join the Debian gnome team?
[15:33] <bdrung> besides svn, it's a pleasure to work with them. :)
[15:33] <barry> tumbleweed: well, maybe s/like/tolerate/ :)
[15:33] <mfisch> bdrung: to be honest I've not thought about it. I probably should
[15:33] <mfisch> I've used svn before, it's not that bad ;)
[15:33] <Laney> especially now that we're more synced on GNOME versions there are more opportunities to collaborate with them
[15:33] <mfisch> coming from Clearcase it was refreshing
[15:34] <mfisch> being synced is a big win
[15:34] <bdrung> it reduces maintenance overhead when the package can be kept in sync.
[15:34] <mfisch> yes, and makes our lives easier
[15:35]  * bdrung yield the floor for stgraber.
[15:35] <mfisch> and the users lives really
[15:35] <stgraber> mfisch: One quick (possibly tricky) question for you. So, let's say we are on the 16th of July and you wish to upload a new version of seahorse. Should you just go ahead and do it or is there a reason why you should refrain?
[15:35] <bdrung> mfisch: i encourage you to get more involved in Debian (and to try to reduce diffs)! :)
[15:36] <mfisch> stgraber: hmm, I'd check the release schedule first
[15:37] <mfisch> looks like a2 is on July 18 (I dont have the schedule memorized), so maybe wait until July 19?
[15:37] <mfisch> or not at all, depending on the changes
[15:37] <mfisch> or better yet, discuss it in #ubuntu-desktop
[15:38] <mfisch> bdrung: I think thats a good idea
[15:38] <stgraber> mfisch: right, July 16th is during alpha2. Now, how would you know whether the package will impact anything that's part of that milestone?
[15:40] <mfisch> stgraber: I'm not sure if I fully understand your question, but I know what seahorse does and how it's used and can gauge the impact of a change from that
[15:41] <mfisch> you can gauge some impact by looking at dependencies if thats what you are asking
[15:41] <stgraber> mfisch: so those early milestones are opt-in, which means that depending on who participates in it, you may be clear to upload.
[15:41] <stgraber> mfisch: I was wondering how you'd check who's participating in the milestone and how to check whether the package is on their image
[15:43] <mfisch> stgraber: I don't know a good way to check that actually
[15:43] <mfisch> an easy way I mean
[15:43] <stgraber> ok. The tool is seeded-in-ubuntu
[15:43] <stgraber> seahorse (from seahorse) is seeded in:
[15:43] <stgraber>   edubuntu: dvd
[15:43] <stgraber>   ubuntu-gnome: daily-live
[15:43] <stgraber>   ubuntu: daily-live, daily-preinstalled
[15:43] <stgraber>   ubuntukylin: daily-live
[15:43] <stgraber> the above output shows you that you'd be fine to upload if none of those flavours take part in the milestone
[15:44] <stgraber> otherwise, you should get in touch with the appropriate flavour leads or just through #ubuntu-release
[15:44] <mfisch> yeah
[15:44] <mfisch> I was just looking at that
[15:44] <mfisch> seeded-in-ubuntu seahorse
[15:44] <mfisch> I figured ubuntu-dev-tools would have a useful solution
[15:45] <stgraber> note that we now tend to add britney (proposed-migration) blocks to prevent most packages from moving from -proposed to -release, so it's likely that the upload wouldn't affect anything, however it's always better to just wait before uploading :)
[15:45] <stgraber> Laney: I'm done
[15:45] <Laney> merci!
[15:45] <Laney> #vote should mfisch join ~motu?
[15:45] <meetingology> Please vote on: should mfisch join ~motu?
[15:45] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:46] <Laney> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:46] <stgraber> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:46] <barry> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:46] <bdrung> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[15:46] <Laney> tumbleweed: ?
[15:47] <tumbleweed> +1 [ I'd really have prefered to see more endorsements but I have a fair confidence in mfisch from IRC interaction ]
[15:47] <meetingology> +1 [ I'd really have prefered to see more endorsements but I have a fair confidence in mfisch from IRC interaction ] received from tumbleweed
[15:49] <micahg-work> +1 [very impressed with no FTBFS on uploads, would have liked more endorsements as well]
[15:49] <meetingology> +1 [very impressed with no FTBFS on uploads, would have liked more endorsements as well] received from micahg-work
[15:49] <Laney> #endvote
[15:49] <meetingology> Voting ended on: should mfisch join ~motu?
[15:49] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:49] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:49] <Laney> mfisch: congrats, welcome to MOTU :-)
[15:49] <mfisch> thanks, next time I'll get more endorsements!
[15:49] <Laney> look forward to seeing you on #-motu
[15:49] <stgraber> mfisch: congrats!
[15:49] <Laney> for desktop you don't have to come back to us anyway :P
[15:49] <Laney> moving on
[15:49] <mfisch> hah, true
[15:50] <Laney> #topic MOTU application - Dmitry Shachnev
[15:50] <mitya57> o/
[15:50] <Laney> mitya57: it's a you
[15:50] <Laney> can you give us a quick introduction?
[15:50] <mitya57> All of you should already know me (and, in fact, have sponsored something for me :P)
[15:50] <mitya57> So I'll start with what I achieved recently (i.e. in spring)
[15:50] <Laney> for the historical record, if nothing else :-)
[15:51] <mitya57> Well, one line ftr: I'm student of Moscow University, upstream for some python apps like ReText and interested in various random packages in Debuntu
[15:52] <mitya57> (continuing copy-pasting now)
[15:52] <mitya57> In this spring I did:
[15:52] <mitya57> - lots of python packages updates (docutils/sphinx, nose, pyxdg)
[15:52] <mitya57> - helped with preparing qt5 (mostly qtbase and qttranslations)
[15:52] <mitya57> - broke qt4 and fixed it
[15:52] <mitya57> - new mathjax 2.2 and woff-tools
[15:53] <mitya57> - ubuntu-packaging-guide updates
[15:53] <mitya57> - helped with (breaking the archive by) uploading the new poppler
[15:53] <mitya57> My short-term plans include:
[15:53] <mitya57> - major python-keyring update, with switching to secretstorage for secret-service backend and pygi for gnomekeyring backend
[15:53] <mitya57> - fixing the broken texlive in precise
[15:53] <mitya57> - finishing pyqt5 packaging
[15:53] <mitya57> - maybe some qt merges
[15:53] <mitya57> ^D
[15:53] <stgraber> thanks for the introduction
[15:54] <stgraber> I'll start with a quick question because I've got to leave for another meeting in 5min, will keep reading this one though so should be able to vote (but not interact much)
[15:54] <stgraber> So similar question to that I asked mfisch earlier on. Let's say we are on the 16th of July and you wish to upload a new version of vlc. Should you just go ahead and do it or is there a reason why you should refrain?
[15:55]  * mitya57 checks the schedule
[15:55]  * mitya57 checks seeded-in-ubuntu vlc
[15:56] <mitya57> it's mythbuntu only, so if the RT sets proper britney hints, I'll go ahead
[15:56] <tumbleweed> somebody's been paying attention...
[15:56] <stgraber> mitya57: haha, you went right into the trap ;)
[15:57] <mitya57> (well, I am not interested in vlc, but if I were I would start by talking with bdrung)
[15:57] <stgraber> mitya57: it's correct that it's only seeded by mythbuntu, however do you know how often mythbuntu is actually released?
[15:58] <mitya57> I think one can't predict which flavors will participate in which milestone
[15:58] <stgraber> you can for mythbuntu ;)
[15:58] <mitya57> bad /me
[15:58] <mitya57> I now remember that it has only LTS releases...
[15:58] <stgraber> correct :)
[15:59] <stgraber> so a package seeded only by mythbuntu is always fine to upload during a non-LTS cycle
[16:00] <mitya57> yeah
[16:00] <Laney> anyone else?
[16:01] <micahg-work> o/
[16:01] <Laney> go
[16:02] <micahg-work> mitya57, so, you mention that there are issues with collaboration with upstreams, do you have any proposals on what MOTU could do to improve on this?
[16:02] <mitya57> that was mostly related to gnome, which is for desktop team, not for motu...
[16:03] <mitya57> but Ubuntu GNOME devs (jbicha & darkxst) have been doing nice work with collaborating recently
[16:04] <mitya57> Myself I'm planning to contribute to https://live.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback packaging
[16:05] <mitya57> (some bits already done like recent metacity upload with my patch)
[16:05] <Laney> I imagine the GNOME situation will calm itself down as Ubuntu moves on more
[16:05] <mitya57> let's hope
[16:06] <mitya57> But I think our recent decision to ship 3.6 in R and 3.8 in S was a step back
[16:07] <Laney> in terms of finding bugs early?
[16:07] <mitya57> In terms of collaborating, and finding bugs too
[16:08] <Laney> ah, well as I mentioned earlier it does mean that we can collaborate with the Debian GNOME team more
[16:08] <Laney> so that's an upside from my pov
[16:08] <mitya57> that's a definite upside, yes
[16:09] <micahg-work> mitya57, are you involved with Ubuntu GNOME?
[16:09] <mitya57> micahg-work: not so much
[16:10] <mitya57> (but I use GNOME, not Unity)
[16:10] <mitya57> and sometimes fix bugs when I find them
[16:11] <linuxCool> x
[16:11] <linuxCool> hello to all
[16:11] <linuxCool> when will be start     Ubuntu Security?
[16:12] <micahg-work> linuxCool, 20 minutes (we're still in the DMB meeting)
[16:12] <Laney> anyone else?
[16:13] <demonoid_me> aaa ok sorry :)
[16:13] <bdrung> mitya57: are you involved in the Debian GNOME team?
[16:13]  * Laney takes that as a no
[16:13] <Laney> blast
[16:14] <mitya57> bdrung: already asked by micahg-work (in short: no)
[16:14] <bdrung> he asked for the Ubuntu team.
[16:14] <bdrung> i recommend to get more involved in the GNOME teams, as you already collaborate nicely with Debian.
[16:14] <mitya57> bdrung: also no more than sending some patches
[16:15] <mitya57> In Debian, I'm member of two python teams, javascript team and fonts team
[16:16] <Laney> thanks
[16:16] <Laney> & now we will vote!
[16:16] <Laney> #vote should mitya57 join ~motu?
[16:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: should mitya57 join ~motu?
[16:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:16] <Laney> +1 yay
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 yay received from Laney
[16:16] <barry> +1 happily
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 happily received from barry
[16:16] <bdrung> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[16:16] <stgraber> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[16:16] <micahg-work> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[16:16] <tumbleweed> +1
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[16:17] <Laney> #endvote
[16:17] <meetingology> Voting ended on: should mitya57 join ~motu?
[16:17] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:17] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:17] <Laney> congrats!
[16:17] <mitya57> Thanks! \o/
[16:17] <Laney> #action laney to add mfisch and mitya57 to motu
[16:17] <dholbach> congratulations mitya57!
[16:17] <meetingology> ACTION: laney to add mfisch and mitya57 to motu
[16:17] <Laney> #topic AOB
[16:17] <mitya57> hi dholbach, and thank you!
[16:17] <Laney> can someone reply to Daniel Pocock on devel-permissions please?
[16:18] <bdrung> mitya57: congrats. one question: do you want to join the ubuntu sponsors team?
[16:18] <mitya57> bdrung: yes, I want :)
[16:18] <bdrung> nice :)
[16:19] <Laney> aaaaaanyone?
[16:19] <bdrung> Laney: i can do that if no-one else will want it
[16:20] <Laney> doesn't seem like anyone is scrambling
[16:20] <Laney> thanks
[16:20] <Laney> #action bdrung to reply to Daniel Pocock on devel-permissions
[16:20] <meetingology> ACTION: bdrung to reply to Daniel Pocock on devel-permissions
[16:20] <Laney> be nice :P
[16:20] <bdrung> i will point to my language barrier if i am not :p
[16:20] <Laney> wiki says next chair is ScottK
[16:21] <Laney> anything else?
[16:21]  * barry must have missed daniel's message :/
[16:21] <tumbleweed> hrm, daniel has 0 uploads in Ubuntu
[16:21] <tumbleweed> that makes the reply fairly easy
[16:21] <Laney> right
[16:21] <bdrung> barry: sent today a few hours ago
[16:21] <Laney> but if all of his stuff is in sync and in great condition, ...
[16:21] <Laney> anyway
[16:21] <Laney> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  3 16:21:51 2013 UTC.
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-03-15.01.moin.txt
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-03-15.01.html
[16:21] <tumbleweed> Laney: then he doesn't need upload rights :P
[16:22] <barry> Laney: thanks!
[16:32] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:32] <sarnold> o/
[16:32] <tyhicks> hello
[16:32]  * sbeattie waves
[16:32] <jjohansen> \o
[16:33] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
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[16:33] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: wake up
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:33] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:33] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Christian Kuersteiner (ckuerste) who provided debdiffs for precise-raring for xmp (LP: #1182769)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Christian Kuersteiner (ckuerste) who provided debdiffs for quantal for tomcat6 (LP: #1166649)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Thomas Ward (teward) who provided debdiffs for precise-raring for nginx (LP: #1182586)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Thanks to Rohan Garg (rohangarg) who provided debdiffs for precise-raring for kde4libs (LP: #1178286)
[16:33] <mdeslaur> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:33]  * mdeslaur slaps ubotty
[16:34] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'll go first
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'll be testing the zillion X updates this week
[16:34] <mdeslaur> and that's about it
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'm on community too
[16:34] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm focusing on apparmor stuff again this week
[16:35] <sbeattie> Specifically https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-s-appisolation-sdk
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm currently hacking on the aa-easyprof bits
[16:35] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me.
[16:35] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'm working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-s-appisolation-dbus
[16:36] <tyhicks> This week, I plan on having all of the work items done except for the items related to pushing everything to the archive
[16:36] <tyhicks> There's also some minor cleanup and finishing touch type stuff that I'll end up doing to the dbus and apparmor patches
[16:36] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[16:36] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:37] <jjohansen> I'm focused on apparmor stuff as well
[16:38] <jjohansen> I'm still poking around for the correct bp so I'll just skip pasting that and say, its the continuation of the ipc work
[16:38] <mdeslaur> jjohansen: I have "signals and bits for IPC" and "extended conditionals" in last weeks meeting log
[16:38] <mdeslaur> jjohansen: is it a continuation of that?
[16:39] <jjohansen> mdeslaur: yep
[16:39] <mdeslaur> cool
[16:40] <jjohansen> that and I'll get the latest patchset out for more review
[16:40] <jjohansen> sarnold: your up
[16:40] <sarnold> I'm on triage on this week
[16:40] <sarnold> I'll also be poking at trying to unbreak the boucycastle test suite, or steal portions of it, for QRT
[16:41] <mdeslaur> sarnold: what's the status of your openssl updates?
[16:41] <sarnold> I'm not sure why I've been met with such failure trying to use the test suite, but I presume it's partly my fault for not 100% grokking modern java
[16:42] <sarnold> mdeslaur: at least saucy will need re-doing, I think there's a new version pushed into the archive in the meantime; I also need to ask your help in preparing updates for security-proposed or something to get testers first..
[16:42] <sarnold> .. at least, I think I'd really rather have feedback from users before pushing it to everyone
[16:42] <sarnold> granted, fedora's been using it for a few months, but perhaps their knowledge of hwat broke isn't logged in their bug report. :)
[16:42] <mdeslaur> sarnold: is it in the PPA yet?
[16:42] <sarnold> mdeslaur: no
[16:43] <mdeslaur> sarnold: ok, please create a tracking bug, and make sure the bug # is in the changelog before uploading
[16:43] <sarnold> mdeslaur: okay
[16:43] <mdeslaur> sarnold: so people know where to go if there's an issue in -proposed
[16:43] <sarnold> mdeslaur: do I then just upload to the usual ppa once that's done?
[16:44] <mdeslaur> sarnold: yes, as -security, and then we'll get an AA to pocket-copy it to -proposed
[16:44] <mdeslaur> (perhaps I can already do that, need to check)
[16:44] <sarnold> mdeslaur: cool, thanks :)
[16:44] <mdeslaur> sarnold: you done?
[16:45] <sarnold> mdeslaur: how much time do you think I should spend on trying to revive the bouncy castle tests before writing a handful of much less comprehensive tests myself?
[16:45] <mdeslaur> sarnold: half a day?
[16:45]  * mdeslaur shrugs
[16:45] <sarnold> mdeslaur: cool, thanks. now done :)
[16:45] <sarnold> chrisccoulson: you're up :)
[16:46] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: dude, wake up
[16:46] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: he's gotta finish his beer first.
[16:47] <mdeslaur> ok, I'll mark down "web-y browser thingies"
[16:48] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:48] <mdeslaur> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:48] <mdeslaur> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/bip.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/openswan.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/exif.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ibm-3270.html
[16:48] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-mail.html
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> oops, sorry, was just finishing up dinner ;)
[16:48] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: hrm, sorry about the meeting being so late for you
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> that's ok
[16:49] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: maybe we should get you to go first next time
[16:49] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: what are you working on this week?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> this week, i'm still working on client-1303-webkit-maintenance. i've been fleshing out architecture diagrams for the last few days. hopefully they'll be in a good enough state for me to make public on google docs this week
[16:50] <mdeslaur> cool
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> and then we'll have a good idea of what work needs to happen :)
[16:51] <mdeslaur> awesome
[16:51] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: done?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, yeah. there aren't any updates planned this week :)
[16:52] <mdeslaur> oh, good
[16:52] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:52] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:53] <mdeslaur> Thanks everyone!
[16:53] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  3 16:53:17 2013 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-03-16.33.moin.txt
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[16:53] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: thanks!
[16:53] <sarnold> thanks mdeslaur :)
[16:54] <jjohansen> thank mdeslaur
[16:57] <tyhicks> thanks!
[17:03] <demonoid_me> I wanna create ubuntu LoCo Team but for my country !how can i do thath?
[17:06] <genii> demonoid_me: #ubuntu-locoteams is probably the better place to enquire
[17:06] <demonoid_me> genii: 10x :)
[17:07] <genii> np