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[01:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: where in the repos?  I don't see it, even with proposed enabled
[01:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Saucy proposed (universe) - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword
[01:31] <bluesabre> ah, looks like they've not been published yet
[01:32] <bluesabre> I look forward to testing those and watching my doc files get turned to mush
[01:32] <Unit193> Dowh, crap... This is a bad day for me...
[01:32] <Unit193> I'm sorry.
[01:34] <bluesabre> think abiword will ever handle doc files well?
[01:38] <OvenWerks> I always end up removing abi for libre for my wife. It works better between that and that other wordwrecker
[01:38] <Unit193> Eh, who knows.  Docx is the new kid anyway.  LibreOffice does better, and that's what I have.
[01:41] <OvenWerks> We have a desktop file we put at the top of the office menu that opens USC pointed at libreoffice. We don't want to ship it. Yoou are welcome to a copy. (or steal it from our -settings)
[01:42] <OvenWerks> LSC doesn't have that feature (yet?)
[03:59] <micahg> mr_pouit: knome: re: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/EnablingXubuntuDevelopers, there's already a xubuntu packageset, see http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/saucy/xubuntu
[03:59] <micahg> Unit193: people should not be running things out of proposed in the devel release as it's unstable
[04:00] <Unit193> Sorry.
[04:08] <skellat> micahg: The packageset is there but from what I could gather from the DMB documentation...there isn't a team that actually "owns" the packageset
[04:10] <skellat> micahg: The packageset is defined but has no uploaders as compared to say Kubuntu: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/saucy/kubuntu
[04:11] <micahg> skellat: that's an implementation detail that we'll fix when needed
[04:12] <micahg> Unit193: I meant to look at the build failure for abiword, but have been lacking time and won't have any until Wed most probably
[04:20] <Unit193> micahg: Oh sure, sure.
[04:37] <micahg> someone fixed the build failure, now so rdeps need fixing for it to migrate
[04:38] <skellat> micahg: Did I fill this out right: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat/skellatDeveloperApplication
[04:38] <skellat> ?
[04:40] <micahg> skellat: you're not ready for upload rights, you have no sponsored uploads and only 2 sponsored syncs AFAICY
[04:40] <micahg> *AFAICT
[04:40] <skellat> Okay
[04:40] <skellat> No problemo
[04:41] <micahg> if you want PPU for xubuntu-docs, that should be doable once you've had some sponsored updates to that package
[04:41] <micahg> FWIW, it looks filled out properly
[04:42]  * skellat recognizes he is an apparatchik of the worst sort
[04:42] <skellat> I'll take the MoinMoin text, save it to local disk, and nuke the page for now
[04:42] <micahg> skellat: heh, as long as it's not on the agenda, it can sit there and you can keep refining until you're ready
[04:42] <skellat> I do need a clarification as to what "sponsored update" to the package is.  I have had merges accepted.
[04:43] <micahg> skellat: and the help is much appreciated, but I think you were pushed a little too soon
[04:43] <micahg> skellat: sponsored update is where you prepare an entire new version that only needs an uploader to set the series (or in some cases you can do this) and upload
[04:43] <skellat> Ah
[04:44] <micahg> your name is in the changelog in the uploader line
[04:44] <skellat> I gotta go back and re-read the sponsored upload documentation.  I keep feeling like I am missing a step or two
[04:44] <micahg> accepted merges can help towards something like dev membership without upload rights, but you're already an Ubuntu member
[04:44] <Unit193> (Does uploading to Debian count?)
[04:45] <micahg> not for Ubuntu membership (though it does look good on an application :))
[04:45] <micahg> well, it helps such that you show competence with a package
[04:47] <skellat> Unit193 has Ubuntu membership too
[04:47] <Unit193> Many people do...
[04:47] <skellat> Unit193: 774 people on-planet have Ubuntu Membership
[04:47] <skellat> As of my last check earlier tonight
[04:48] <skellat> We have 6 people in the Ohio LoCo with such including me and you (Unit193)
[04:48] <micahg> I will catch up with email eventually...feel free to ping me if there's something I need to see
[04:48] <skellat> micahg: I just need to find better documentation on the sponsored upload process
[04:50] <skellat> This is what I do have for sponsored upload process documentation on the Ubuntu side: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-sponsorship.html
[04:51] <micahg> docs might have their own process, idk
[04:52] <skellat> Xubuntu is diverging from Ubuntu Documentation Project on that
[04:52] <skellat> I think
[04:53] <skellat> And I don't think bkerensa has that addressed yet at UDP level
[04:54] <skellat> Hmm
[04:54] <micahg> ok, well, the basic idea is to prepare the upload as if you had upload rights (with UNRELEASED in the changelog if you're using bzr) and poke someone to upload (either with a bug + sponsors team subscribed, bzr merge into UDD branch, poke on IRC for the exceptions where the other 2 don't make sense)
[04:54] <micahg> * poke someone to *review* and upload
[04:55] <skellat> Okay
[04:55] <skellat> That I can do
[04:55] <skellat> After I get some sleep
[04:56] <skellat> Writing text at this hour of night is one thing.  Making bzr go kaboom happens way too easily at this hour for me.
[04:56]  * micahg is heading to sleep, will check scrollback sometime tomorrow
[04:57]  * skellat bids goodnight too
[04:59] <Unit193> 'Night.
[07:15] <knome> i believe i've done a (semi-)"sponsored upload" with docs, with not really trying to achieve that, just doing what we need to get packages uploaded :P
[07:22] <Unit193> Best way to do it.
[07:27] <knome> definitely.
[07:28] <knome> i don't think upload rights have any absolute value for me
[07:28] <ochosi> i think splitting the work is actually not a bad idea
[07:29] <ochosi> ofc it's also not bad if we all have upload-rights additionally
[07:29] <Unit193> (That may be bad.)
[07:29] <ochosi> but the workload for each individual might increase if everyone has to upload their own stuff
[07:31] <knome> ochosi, i'm not saying it wouldn't be good. i'm just saying that i don't necessarily need package upload permissions, because 1) i'm not a developer and require other people to work on changes to most packages (excluding some artwork, docs, settings stuff) and 2) i don't specifically *want* to to uploads
[07:31] <ochosi> yeah, i wasn't arguing for or against what you said, mostly adding my pov to the conversation
[07:35] <ochosi> (and yeah, i'm not sure i wanna do uploads either, i feel my capacities are quite fully used as it is)
[07:38] <knome> i probably could, but then i'd want to drop other stuff, and that doesn't work while i'm XPL; when i'm not, i probably don't want to do that anymore as much
[07:39] <ochosi> for me it'd mean we'd have to e.g. drop maintenance of themes
[07:39] <ochosi> i mean of the other themes, and only focus on Greybird
[07:40] <Unit193> Bleh, nooooooo.
[07:40] <Unit193> That means Blackbird gets even less.
[07:41] <ochosi> Unit193: you mean you'd rather try to get upload rights yourself? :}
[07:41] <Unit193> ochosi: Is that a good idea?  Just ask mi<tab>
[07:42] <ochosi> wouldn't know why not
[08:07] <knome> me neither
[08:08] <Unit193> At least I'm learning.
[08:24] <knome> motivation gets you far.
[08:25] <knome> (that's you in the broader sense (as well))
[17:41] <mr_pouit> micahg: this package set is missing most panel plugins and contains things we don't care about (lyx? really?)
[17:44] <mr_pouit> and people (bluesabre, ochosi) who want to gain upload right for the package set could do the merges from unstable to saucy (I haven't touched anything but the ppa).
[18:33] <bluesabre> mr_pouit: I would be interested in helping with the merges
[18:33] <bluesabre> :)
[18:34] <bluesabre> in addition to the other packages in our package set that ochosi and I are maintaining
[18:35] <bluesabre> released lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.6.0, parole 0.5.1, and catfish 0.6.4 today
[18:35] <bluesabre> (going to do sponsored uploads for those)