[01:41] <okabi> Who do I tell when software in the repository needs updating?
[01:42] <Unit193> You may be able to file a bug and request it be updated, but what application?
[01:42] <Unit193> Is it updated in Debian testing or unstable?  Are there some additional features you requre?
[01:43] <okabi> I would like Claws-Mail to be updated to the latest version is all.
[01:43] <Unit193> Are there any additional features or bug fixes that would be of help?
[01:44] <okabi> Yes. I'm unable to install plugins with the current version because they're all made for the latest version.
[01:46] <okabi> Might it be possible to upgrade my version of the software to the latest through command line?
[01:48] <Unit193> okabi: Ok, so Debian has 3.9.1  (http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/claws-mail.html) and Ubuntu only has 3.8.1 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/claws-mail), since there is no cruft in the Ubuntu version, it should in theory auto-sync to Ubuntu Saucy.  I'm guessing waiting for the next release isn't preferred?
[01:50] <Unit193> !syncrequest
[01:50] <Unit193> !sru
[01:53] <okabi> Auto-sync?
[01:53] <okabi> The debian and ubuntu repositories are tied to eachother?
[01:54] <Unit193> Yeah, Ubuntu pulls packages from Debian, it's based on Debian.
[01:56] <okabi> So, how long is the wait before it updates according to changes in Debian's?
[01:56] <phillw> okabi: it is marked as low priority
[01:56] <Unit193> Debian testing has it, so in theory it should just sync.
[01:57] <phillw> it will need someone from debian to sponsor the upgrade
[01:57] <okabi> Mmm. Well, thanks for all the replies, but I must be going now.
[01:58] <okabi> And Unit193 said it was already the latest version.
[01:58] <phillw> okabi: Ok, so Debian has 3.9.1  (http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/claws-mail.html) and Ubuntu only has 3.8.1
[01:58] <phillw> did he???
[01:58] <okabi> :3
[01:59] <okabi> Terminator: ILL BE BACK
[02:03] <phillw> Unit193: I take it, you mean sid? http://packages.debian.org/sid/claws-mail
[02:04] <Unit193> I mean it how?
[02:04] <phillw> which debian has 3.9.1 :)
[02:05] <Unit193> Look http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/claws-mail.html and you'll see testing and unstable.
[02:06] <n-iCe> System:    Host ubuntu Kernel 3.8.0-24-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
[02:06] <n-iCe>            Desktop LXDE (Openbox 3.5.0) Distro Ubuntu 13.04 raring
[02:06] <n-iCe> Machine:   System Sony product VGN-CS170FJ version R5632613
[02:06] <n-iCe>            Mobo Sony model VAIO Bios INSYDE version R0260Q2 date 09/19/2008
[02:06] <n-iCe> CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8400 (-MCP-) cache 3072 KB flags (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx)
[02:06] <n-iCe>            Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 2267.00 MHz
[02:06] <n-iCe> Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[02:06] <n-iCe>            X.Org 1.13.3 drivers intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution 1280x800@60.0hz
[02:06] <n-iCe>            GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Mobile Intel GM45 Express Chipset GLX Version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.1
[02:06] <n-iCe> Audio:     Card: Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver snd_hda_intel
[02:07] <n-iCe>            Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver k3.8.0-24-generic
[02:07] <n-iCe> Network:   Card-1: Intel WiFi Link 5100 driver iwlwifi
[02:07] <n-iCe>            IF: wlan0 state up mac <filter>
[02:07] <phillw> Unit193: so, testing and unstable are the same set. If some one sponsors it to stable, then it can be added to ubuntu repos.
[02:07] <n-iCe>            Card-2: Marvell 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller driver sky2
[02:07] <n-iCe>            IF: eth0 state down mac <filter>
[02:07] <n-iCe> Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (6.5% used) 1: id /dev/sda model TOSHIBA_MK3252GS size 320.1GB
[02:07] <n-iCe> Partition: ID: / size 290G used 20G (8%) fs ext4 ID: swap-1 size 4.15GB used 0.00GB (0%) fs swap
[02:07] <n-iCe> RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
[02:07] <n-iCe> Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu 49.0C mobo N/A
[02:07] <Unit193> n-iCe: Don't spam.
[02:07] <n-iCe>            Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu N/A
[02:07] <n-iCe> Info:      Processes 164 Uptime 3:18 Memory 906.5/3823.7MB Client Irssi 0.8.15 inxi 1.8.4
[02:07] <Unit193> !pastebin
[02:07] <phillw> !flood | n-iCe
[02:07] <n-iCe> Damn, wrong channel!!!
[02:07]  * n-iCe kills hiself
[02:07] <n-iCe> him
[02:07] <n-iCe> was the damn inxi, sorry
[02:07] <Unit193> Your inxi is outdated.
[02:07]  * n-iCe cries
[02:08] <Unit193> phillw: No, you may want to read up on the process.
[02:10] <phillw> Unit193: I'm not too worried about about claws. I was only saying that the version in testing & unstable need a sponsor top have a sponsor to have it moved from there to 'stable'/
[02:10] <Unit193> phillw: No.
[02:11] <phillw> oh?? well, I learn something new, usually contradictary, every time I ask about debian repos and ubuntu ones.
[02:11] <Unit193> (Not exactly, but meh.)
[02:13] <phillw> Unit193: the basics I was told was a new a version would be expected to be in the debian stable area before ubuntu would consider an update to theirs.
[02:15] <phillw> I can ask for a bug fix to be pulled in, provided I have a darn good reason. An upgrade of functions and new version number are pretty much exempt from my getting that approved unless it was proven to be a urgent / critical bug.
[02:18] <phillw> I do not see it worth my asking for such an exemption of a new version of claws that is still in debian-unstable and debian-testing. It is better to allow debian to follow through the testing cycle.
[02:26] <phillw> Unit193: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule date is 20th June. Unless there is a flavour who really require it as a freeze exception, the chances of being accepted are very low.
[02:27] <Unit193> I'm not really interested...
[02:27] <Unit193> And as far as I know not exactly...
[02:28] <Unit193> But this is all rather non-related to support.
[02:28] <phillw> Unit193: it was only FYI, I'm happy to explain it to the OP. But If I'm not about, you have the links to explain his question
[02:29] <Unit193> But it's not quite right, ANYWAY...
[02:30] <phillw> Unit193: I'm always willing to learn :)
[03:58] <cerebrate> any traces of lxle's lxle dev.?
[04:18] <phillw> cerebrate: I do chat to him, you can contact him via the site. Is there an immediate problem with the last release?
[05:58] <n-iCe> hi
[05:58] <Unit193> You update your inxi? ;)
[06:00] <n-iCe> last version
[06:00] <n-iCe> according to https://code.google.com/p/inxi/
[06:00] <Unit193> 1.9.7, yep.
[06:00] <n-iCe> what was mine?
[06:01] <n-iCe> inxi~1.8.4
[06:04] <n-iCe> Where did you get the new inxi Unit193
[06:05] <Unit193> From there.  (Then uploaded to ppa and personal repo. :P )
[06:05] <Unit193> You should be able to inxi -U it, though.
[06:06] <n-iCe> awesome! Successfully updated to svn server version: 1.9.7
[06:07] <phillw> wb n-iCe :)
[06:07] <n-iCe> thanks, that was easy.
[06:07] <phillw> I'm on offtopic :)
[06:45] <n-iCe> phillw: #lubuntu-offtopic ?
[06:48] <phillw> n-iCe: yup
[07:54] <Redouane> Hello, I want to use Linux on my machine and I need an advice witch distribution should I use
[07:55] <Redouane> I'v an acer Aspire 5715 Z and I don't now which is better Ubuntu or Lubuntu
[07:55] <Redouane> Take note that its the first time I use Linux
[07:56] <n-iCe> hi
[07:56] <n-iCe> depends
[07:56] <n-iCe> lubuntu is lighter
[07:57] <n-iCe> Ubuntu 13.04 Review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZin1_iPv0E
[07:57] <n-iCe> Lubuntu 13.04 Review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWHQncUeV4
[07:57] <Redouane> so does this affect in any case the use of  my laptop
[07:58] <n-iCe> performance
[07:58] <n-iCe> we just say ubuntu is heavier
[07:58] <n-iCe> lubuntu use lxde which is a lighter desktop environment
[08:03] <Redouane> Sorry but which one do you advice me to use?
[08:03] <Redouane> my laptop is an acer aspire 5715 Z
[09:34] <mikael_> salut a tous
[09:34] <mikael_> FR  ?
[13:04] <woshty> wxl: Ok, took a look at the bug reporting link you posted yesterday. Did you post that to tell me how to post a bug to get that "System program problem detected" dialog to be more usable? Or for me to understand what it wants to report?
[16:25] <wxl> woshty: if you just proceed there will be an option to show more detail.
[19:28] <joossee> hey guys wondering if anyone has a second to answer a question aboutencrypted boot stick? Installer exits afteer trying to create swappartitionin encrypted /mapper/ device?
[19:28] <joossee> 13.04
[19:28] <joossee> also if anyone has a new spacebar that would be great
[19:29] <joossee> the error is 'error security hole, swap partition is not encrypted and your data may not be protected, exiting installer'
[19:30] <holstein> a new spacebar?
[19:31] <joossee> ya this one is notverygood :)
[19:31] <holstein> joossee: i dont see that as an error.. thats just saying the swap is not encrypted
[19:31] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[19:31] <joossee> ya but i am spcifically creating the swap partition in the "physically encrypted volume|
[19:31] <holstein> sure.. why?
[19:31] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[19:31] <joossee> short aqnswer: encrypted bootstick
[19:31] <joossee> 64gb
[19:32] <Unit193> And it's not an option to create a normal one with a trucrypt "volume" to store the files that need encrypted?
[19:32] <joossee> insufficient formy purposes
[19:33] <holstein> thats what i have always done.. the truecrpyt thing
[19:33] <joossee> im running off lubuntu 12 in the exact same config. 13.04  is different
[19:33] <Unit193> holstein: Their .bin?
[19:33] <holstein> i would look at something made for that purpose
[19:33] <Unit193> Ah, well that's annoying.
[19:34] <joossee> how bout we just answerlubuntu questions instead of plugging (awesome) third party software lololol
[19:34] <holstein> joossee: sure.. enjoy! and good luck :)
[19:34] <joossee> fudge it ill go give it another go. just annoying
[19:34] <holstein> joossee: might want to try #ubuntu or a security channel.. nothing about lubuntu is specifically designed to meet the needs you have, though, im sure you can get it working with a little patience
[19:38] <holstein> joossee: this was choosing full disk encryption from the installer? or was that an option?
[19:48] <joossee> i chose the manual partitioning option and then laid out all the necessary ones, plus /boot. now i need to encrypt system / and swap
[19:49] <joossee> but g2g thx for helpbbl
[20:33] <n-iCe> guys I have .mp3 I use braser otu burn a data cd for mp3 music cd
[20:33] <n-iCe> but nothing recognize it any idea?
[20:33] <holstein> n-iCe: mp3 music CD's are tricky
[20:34] <holstein> n-iCe: in theory, any mp3 cd player like that should just read it if you make a data CD and fill it with mp3's
[20:34] <n-iCe> I did
[20:34] <n-iCe> and does not work
[20:34] <n-iCe> not even the pc recognize the cds now
[20:34] <holstein> n-iCe: doesnt have to work that way, and it would be *anything*
[20:34] <holstein> n-iCe: seems like a nice plausible place for you to start is the media
[20:34] <holstein> the burnable discs
[20:35] <n-iCe> what do you mean
[20:35] <holstein> sounds like thay are bad.. or not getting burned properly
[20:35] <n-iCe> yeah, but why
[20:35] <holstein> n-iCe: again.. could be anything
[20:35] <n-iCe> cds are ok, since I have burned normal music cds
[20:35] <holstein> i would start by trying another CD
[20:35] <holstein> n-iCe: try burning an audio cd with the same media
[20:35] <n-iCe> tried 4 now
[20:35] <n-iCe> I did as a cd media
[20:35] <n-iCe> not data
[20:35] <holstein> n-iCe: 4 audio cd's? or mp3 data cd?
[20:35] <n-iCe> and worked
[20:36] <n-iCe> holstein: 4 mp3s one audio cd
[20:36] <holstein> n-iCe: ok.. so do *any* data cd's you make show up? on the computer?
[20:36] <n-iCe> no
[20:36] <n-iCe> is like I don't insert it
[20:37] <holstein> n-iCe: id say its something to do with the way you are making the disc.. not closing it.. or "finalizing"
[20:37] <holstein> i would just try other methods
[20:37] <holstein> it'll be matter of trial and error to some degree, til you make something that everything can mount
[20:37] <n-iCe> where can I mount the cd
[20:37] <n-iCe> /media/cdrom ?
[20:37] <holstein> n-iCe: literally anywhere you like.. but you know thats not the issue, correct?
[20:38] <holstein> n-iCe: when you put in other data cd's, they just mount, correct?
[20:38] <n-iCe> right
[20:38] <holstein> n-iCe: so, its not an issue of "computer not mounting properly made data CD"
[20:38] <holstein> its mre likely "improperly mae data CD not mounting due to being made improperly"
[20:38] <n-iCe> nice@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/cdrom/ /mnt/nice
[20:38] <n-iCe> mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[20:38] <holstein> i would assume the later, and work from there
[20:39] <n-iCe> the music is in there
[20:39] <n-iCe> in the cd
[20:39] <n-iCe> just did ls
[20:39] <holstein> n-iCe: so, you can mount it now?
[20:39] <n-iCe> using mount, yes
[20:39] <holstein> ok.. still, i would look at the method you are makind the disc
[20:39] <n-iCe> usign brasero
[20:39] <holstein> the players dont have to read the disc you make
[20:40] <holstein> n-iCe: sure.. use different settings there.. use something different than brasero
[20:40] <holstein> leave the session open.. close it.. finalize it.. etc.. experiment
[20:40] <n-iCe> but what can I make with those cs
[20:41] <holstein> cs?
[20:41] <n-iCe> cds
[20:41] <holstein> n-iCe: i would try brasero, exploring the options.. then move on to xfburn.. i like k3b a lot, and usually just install it first thing
[20:43] <n-iCe> ok
[20:43] <n-iCe> but, can I change the cd properties or somethign to make it readable in a mp3 player?
[20:44] <holstein> n-iCe: thats the idea
[20:44] <holstein> n-iCe: what settings and media the player need are really on a case by case basis
[20:45] <n-iCe> uhm
[20:45] <n-iCe> I think I don't understand, I have already the CD's cds have the music mp3 files inside, I just can play them.
[20:45] <holstein> n-iCe: the player.. its proprietary, and uses what it'll use.. what works for me in my car might not work for you player
[20:45] <holstein> n-iCe: what the computer can read/mount may not be readable in any of them
[20:46] <holstein> n-iCe: the media can be not readable my your specific player
[20:46] <holstein> the specific media type you have
[20:46] <holstein> you can try different options in the burning process.. i would try closing the data session..
[20:47] <holstein> "allow no more writing"
[20:47] <holstein> try leaving it open...
[20:47] <holstein> try different types of cdr's
[20:47] <n-iCe> damn
[20:47] <n-iCe> that sucks
[20:48] <n-iCe> haha
[21:02] <ValDuare> hey guys I'm running an ubuntu base install with just xorg and open box pretty much. Im trying to use xset to stop the display from turning off etc. but it says xset unable to open display
[21:02] <ValDuare> what other options do I have for keeping the display on
[21:03] <Unit193> Unable to open display?  Can you give the output of echo $DISPLAY ?
[21:03] <Unit193> ps aux | grep auth | sed -n 's/.*X\ \(.*\)\ -core.*/\1/p'   too if you're using lightdm.
[21:04] <ValDuare> [1] 1188
[21:04] <ValDuare> atm I just have open box and xorg pretty much installed on a ubuntu base
[21:04] <ValDuare> no lubuntu or anything
[21:05] <Unit193> That's the output from what?  Anywho, seems like the display env var may be off.  You can try xfce4-power-manager I'd think.
[21:07] <ValDuare> i just tried setterm -blank 0 | setterm -powerdown 0 | setterm -powersave off
[21:07] <ValDuare> we'll see how that works
[21:09] <Unit193> Aha, alright.
[21:10] <ValDuare> if it works I guess add it to autostart.sh?
[21:10] <ValDuare> or do you know if setterm is persistent?
[21:42] <billkd> I'm trying to set up Gnu/Linux on a low hard disk storage and low memory system(512MB RAM and 80GB HDD). Is Lubuntu a good choice here, or would I be better off with Debian? The machine should run a lightweight DE, support HP printers, and be pretty fast. It will be used for web browsing, email, printing, and light word processing tasks. Any ideas?
[21:43] <billkd> I'm trying to set up Gnu/Linux on a low hard disk storage and low memory system(512MB RAM and 80GB HDD). Is Lubuntu a good choice here, or would I be better off with Debian? The machine should run a lightweight DE, support HP printers, and be pretty fast. It will be used for web browsing, email, printing, and light word processing tasks. Any ideas?
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> billkd: Are you there? You just left #ubuntu
[21:43] <Unit193> !repeat | billkd
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> !crosspost | Better this one
[21:43] <Unit193> billkd: What's the processor?
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Lubuntu is probably a good choice; Xubuntu is good too
[21:44] <Unit193> Lubuntu would do better with that RAM.
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: You're prob right.
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> At least in this day and age
[21:44] <billkd> pentium 4
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes, Lubuntu then.
[21:44] <Unit193> More ram would be very good, buuut...
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Although Debian with LXDE... maybe...?
[21:45] <billkd> I use arch on my main laptop(this one) with gnome 3.8, and it runs pretty well, but I think gnome would be too much for that hardware.
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> billkd: Ohhhhh yes it would
[21:45] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: If I'm going with Debian, it'd be Openbox or fluxbox.
[21:46] <billkd> so... hmmmm... xfce4 or lxde?
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> billkd: Probably LXDE, as XFCE is a bit on the heavy side now...
[21:46] <billkd> OK
[21:46] <Unit193> Not really, just not quite as lightweight.
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> GTK+ 2 tool kit and all... I hear LXDE is moving to Qt... any ring o' truth to that?
[21:47] <billkd> How do I add icons to the lxde desktop? Do I need to do that gnome-panel hack? Remember, we're trying to be light on resources/packages.
[21:48] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Eh, just looking at the options.
[21:48] <Unit193> billkd: No, pcmanfm is the desktop manager, just drag and drop (IIRC.)
[21:48] <billkd> No, for running custom commands.
[21:49] <billkd> Nevermind, you can use lxshortcut or whatever it's called.
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Or just create an empty file, name it "whatever.desktop" and write in a desktop entry... aww dang he left
[22:15] <n-iCe> OK, I'm back
[22:15] <n-iCe> Bought 5 CD's
[22:15] <n-iCe> who was helping me?
[22:15] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: Me. What's up?
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: No I wasnt'
[22:16] <n-iCe> haha
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> But if you're doing what I think you're doin' I think I can help
[22:16] <n-iCe> I want to create a mp3 which my mp3 car player can read it and play.
[22:17] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: I forgot whether there was a sound recording program in Lubuntu.
[22:18] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: I'm familiar with the GNOME one, which'll record excellent quality MP3s.
[22:27] <n-iCe> SonikkuAmerica: what do you use
[22:28] <SonikkuAmerica> It's called Sound Recorder... but because I'm in OpenIndiana (OpenSolaris) right now I couldn't say what it's really called?
[22:52] <n-iCe> Solved it
[22:53] <n-iCe> K3B and some packages did the job
[22:53] <n-iCe> Now I can play mp3 in my car
[22:53] <n-iCe> :D
[22:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh good.
[22:53] <n-iCe> I know
[22:53]  * n-iCe cries
[22:53] <n-iCe> fuck brasero, it sucks
[22:54] <n-iCe> :p
[22:54] <SonikkuAmerica> !wtf
[22:55] <n-iCe> :p