[00:29] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: I use androidirc
[00:29] <gamerchick02> awesome, rick_h_
[00:29] <gamerchick02> i've missed everyone too.
[11:36] <rick_h_> kind of crazy https://twitter.com/ohkiv/status/341709940320247808/photo/1
[13:11] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's pretty messed up.
[13:34] <snap-l> How's the day treating everyone so far?
[13:36] <jrwren> not terrible.
[13:36] <jrwren> back on the bike for commute after almost 2 weeks, so that is great.
[13:36] <snap-l> That's progress.
[13:36] <snap-l> I wish I could commute via bike to work
[13:37] <brousch> I could, but I prefer not being run over by semis going 50MPH
[13:38] <snap-l> It would take me an hour to get to work
[13:38] <jrwren> how many miles is your commute?
[13:38] <snap-l> 20-30 to, 45 back
[13:38] <jrwren> yuk.
[13:39] <snap-l> oh, miles, not minutes. :)
[13:39] <jrwren> not only would it take you at least an hour, but you'd be a sweaty mess.
[13:39] <jrwren> We have showers at work so I can clean up after a sweaty commute. YAY
[13:39] <snap-l> with the freeway it's ~ 15 miles
[13:39] <snap-l> Yeah, no such showers
[13:40] <snap-l> Ugh, just relalized one of our biking destinations is gone
[13:40] <snap-l> used to ride up Campbell road to head to Caribou
[13:40] <snap-l> no more. :(
[13:41] <snap-l> Though I hope to get us to ride more to Royal Oak Downtown
[13:41] <snap-l> not sure where to lock our bikes up, though
[13:41] <snap-l> Seems most folks tie them up in front of the police station, or at the library. :)
[13:52] <snap-l> also, PHP == Pretty Horiffic Perl. ;)
[16:54] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/comments/1fnlfh/til_there_is_an_else_clause_in_for_loops/
[16:54] <rick_h_> <3 that feature
[16:54] <rick_h_> use it once in a while
[17:18] <snap-l> First I've seen it. Pretty awesome.
[17:21] <brousch> That is confusing
[17:21] <brousch> Not obvious
[17:21] <brousch> The django template for ... else is much more obvious
[17:30] <brousch> http://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/comments/1fnlfh/til_there_is_an_else_clause_in_for_loops/cac1xb1
[17:31] <snap-l> I dunno, I think the for (break) else makes sense
[17:31] <rick_h_> gah, wtf is with the djawngo template crap today?
[17:31] <snap-l> The Django one doesn't make any sense.
[17:31] <rick_h_> 3rd person telling me how stupid templates are good until I talk to them and then they go "oh, that makes sense"
[17:31] <snap-l> rick_h_: It's all because we've been put on this earth to drive you insane
[17:31] <jrwren> stupid templates are good?
[17:32] <snap-l> how are we doing so far?
[17:32] <rick_h_> I'm almost there
[17:32] <snap-l> We shall redouble our efforts
[17:33] <jrwren> for, else is pretty shitty python IMO.  It changes the meaning of "else"
[17:33]  * snap-l makes some offhanded comment about how PHP should be used as a system scripting language
[17:33] <snap-l> jrwren: agreed, it should be something like "continue:"
[17:33] <snap-l> or something of that ilk
[17:34] <snap-l> It's not obvious what it does without an explanation
[17:34] <brousch> That's what I said!
[17:34] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, but then you went all weird with justifying Django's interpretation
[17:34] <snap-l> which also doesn't make sense
[17:35] <brousch> I think it's an implementation that makes more sense
[17:35] <snap-l> You're just used to it. :)
[17:35] <brousch> Treats a for like an if
[17:35] <snap-l> No, it treats it like some corner case.
[17:35] <brousch> And it's extremely useful
[17:35] <snap-l> If this for loop doesn't ever run then do this
[17:36] <brousch> You use it on pretty much every for loop coming from a database
[17:37] <snap-l> brousch: So Django is perfect for grabbing no data from a database
[17:37] <snap-l> I think we finally found a use case for Django after all. ;)
[17:37] <brousch> :P
[17:38] <brousch> Runs really fast that way!
[17:38] <snap-l> w/me just envisioned a Reddit thread where people compare how fast their framework is at retreiving nothing
[17:38] <snap-l> or would that be hacker news
[17:39] <brousch> The next popular comparison. Even better than todo apps
[17:43] <jrwren> django is great... if you are running a newspaper
[18:01] <jrwren> i saw all those pypi announcments to update packages and completely forgot that I own something there. oops!
[18:02] <rick_h_> yea, had a half dozen emails there waiting today
[18:41] <snap-l>  [Global Notice] As
[18:41] <snap-l> you've probably noticed we're experiencing a bit of network disruption. Please
[18:41] <snap-l> bear with us while we check the tubes for kittens
[18:41] <snap-l> heh
[19:58] <Blazeix> anyone know of a good resource for beginning arduino programming? my little brother wants to start
[20:14] <brousch> There's a book
[20:25] <Blazeix> the oreilly one?
[20:31] <snap-l> Blazeix: How far along is your brother with Arduino stuff?
[20:31] <snap-l> And what age?
[20:31] <brousch> Looks like there's a lot of books now
[21:06] <Blazeix> snap-l: just beginning. he's an engineering major with some matlab experience, and a bit of java.
[21:06] <Blazeix> he's 19
[22:43] <techdood> Hey room
[23:01] <brousch> Remember the guy who wanted to use pymssql with kivy on android? He is getting a lesson in why you use an API
[23:02] <brousch> He can't get the module to install, and no one can help him because no one has MS SQL server