[00:29] gamerchick02: I use androidirc [00:29] awesome, rick_h_ [00:29] i've missed everyone too. [11:36] kind of crazy https://twitter.com/ohkiv/status/341709940320247808/photo/1 [13:11] rick_h_: That's pretty messed up. [13:34] How's the day treating everyone so far? [13:36] not terrible. [13:36] back on the bike for commute after almost 2 weeks, so that is great. [13:36] That's progress. [13:36] I wish I could commute via bike to work [13:37] I could, but I prefer not being run over by semis going 50MPH [13:38] It would take me an hour to get to work [13:38] how many miles is your commute? [13:38] 20-30 to, 45 back [13:38] yuk. [13:39] oh, miles, not minutes. :) [13:39] not only would it take you at least an hour, but you'd be a sweaty mess. [13:39] We have showers at work so I can clean up after a sweaty commute. YAY [13:39] with the freeway it's ~ 15 miles [13:39] Yeah, no such showers [13:40] Ugh, just relalized one of our biking destinations is gone [13:40] used to ride up Campbell road to head to Caribou [13:40] no more. :( [13:41] Though I hope to get us to ride more to Royal Oak Downtown [13:41] not sure where to lock our bikes up, though [13:41] Seems most folks tie them up in front of the police station, or at the library. :) [13:52] also, PHP == Pretty Horiffic Perl. ;) [16:54] http://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/comments/1fnlfh/til_there_is_an_else_clause_in_for_loops/ [16:54] <3 that feature [16:54] use it once in a while [17:18] First I've seen it. Pretty awesome. [17:21] That is confusing [17:21] Not obvious [17:21] The django template for ... else is much more obvious [17:30] http://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/comments/1fnlfh/til_there_is_an_else_clause_in_for_loops/cac1xb1 [17:31] I dunno, I think the for (break) else makes sense [17:31] gah, wtf is with the djawngo template crap today? [17:31] The Django one doesn't make any sense. [17:31] 3rd person telling me how stupid templates are good until I talk to them and then they go "oh, that makes sense" [17:31] rick_h_: It's all because we've been put on this earth to drive you insane [17:31] stupid templates are good? [17:32] how are we doing so far? [17:32] I'm almost there [17:32] We shall redouble our efforts [17:33] for, else is pretty shitty python IMO. It changes the meaning of "else" [17:33] * snap-l makes some offhanded comment about how PHP should be used as a system scripting language [17:33] jrwren: agreed, it should be something like "continue:" [17:33] or something of that ilk [17:34] It's not obvious what it does without an explanation [17:34] That's what I said! [17:34] brousch: Yeah, but then you went all weird with justifying Django's interpretation [17:34] which also doesn't make sense [17:35] I think it's an implementation that makes more sense [17:35] You're just used to it. :) [17:35] Treats a for like an if [17:35] No, it treats it like some corner case. [17:35] And it's extremely useful [17:35] If this for loop doesn't ever run then do this [17:36] You use it on pretty much every for loop coming from a database [17:37] brousch: So Django is perfect for grabbing no data from a database [17:37] I think we finally found a use case for Django after all. ;) [17:37] :P [17:38] Runs really fast that way! [17:38] w/me just envisioned a Reddit thread where people compare how fast their framework is at retreiving nothing [17:38] or would that be hacker news [17:39] The next popular comparison. Even better than todo apps [17:43] django is great... if you are running a newspaper [18:01] i saw all those pypi announcments to update packages and completely forgot that I own something there. oops! [18:02] yea, had a half dozen emails there waiting today [18:41] [Global Notice] As [18:41] you've probably noticed we're experiencing a bit of network disruption. Please [18:41] bear with us while we check the tubes for kittens [18:41] heh === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD [19:58] anyone know of a good resource for beginning arduino programming? my little brother wants to start [20:14] There's a book [20:25] the oreilly one? [20:31] Blazeix: How far along is your brother with Arduino stuff? [20:31] And what age? [20:31] Looks like there's a lot of books now [21:06] snap-l: just beginning. he's an engineering major with some matlab experience, and a bit of java. [21:06] he's 19 [22:43] Hey room [23:01] Remember the guy who wanted to use pymssql with kivy on android? He is getting a lesson in why you use an API [23:02] He can't get the module to install, and no one can help him because no one has MS SQL server