[22:03] <zequence> OvenWerks: I think we need to consider two things when including apps for our default DE. The live ISO should have all the tools required by pro users. But, the installation could leave it up to the user what to include
[22:04] <zequence> So, we could, if we want, keep a very customized version of XFCE on the live ISO, and also present that as the default Ubuntu Studio desktop during installation, while also letting users choose between the existing DE alternatives
[22:04] <zequence> Or, flavor meta alternatives - lubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, etc
[22:04] <zequence> also, xubuntu-desktop
[22:05] <zequence> I would just use existing metas for everything, if it was not for the live ISO
[22:05] <OvenWerks> My thinking in starting with a flavour and adding metas rather than adding their desktop, is that they are doing the maintenance.
[22:05] <zequence> I'm not following
[22:06] <OvenWerks> The user can go to the *ubuntu irc and get help for their install
[22:06] <zequence> The idea all along has been that we do as little maintenance as possible
[22:06] <zequence> But, there's a difference between installing the OS, and using the live OS, is what I mean
[22:07] <zequence> the live OS needs to include good pro tools for live use
[22:07] <OvenWerks> So if a user starts with kubuntu and adds ourt metas, they can still get help at kubuntu, but if we add their desktop the people at kubuntu may not want to
[22:07] <zequence> it's not only for trying stuff out. it's a tool to be used - the live OS
[22:07] <OvenWerks> I agree
[22:07] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yes, that has been the idea all along
[22:08] <zequence> So, what we can't do is use Xubuntu as base for the live OS.
[22:08] <OvenWerks> From the conversation about video players they want to include "them all"
[22:08] <zequence> We still need our own customized OS
[22:08] <OvenWerks> Yes, I agree.
[22:09] <OvenWerks> I Have not given up on a good quality live ISO or the install it provides
[22:10] <OvenWerks> I know I have been working hard on adding studio to other installs, but I do not think that is our main focus. Just an addition.
[22:10] <zequence> Well, it was my idea to do that in the first place
[22:10] <zequence> But the reason for it is multifacetted
[22:11] <OvenWerks> Thats were I got it from :) In fact I was pretty much against when it was first brought up :P
[22:11] <zequence> one of my main goals have always been to make pro audio possible on any DE
[22:11] <OvenWerks> I seem to have changed my mind.
[22:12] <zequence> once starting to work at it, we find ourselves exploring what Ubuntu Studio really is
[22:12] <OvenWerks> Yes.
[22:13] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I have family stuff to do for a bit. Will talk later.
[22:13] <zequence> later
[23:02] <zequence> ah, I was just about to PM him
[23:03] <zequence> OvenWerks: Gnome3 is functional on saucy now, so you could give it a try if you want
[23:04] <zequence> OvenWerks: There is an extension for the menu
[23:04] <zequence> OvenWerks: But, not installed by default. Might be included with gnome-shell-extensions
[23:05] <zequence> not all extensions are supported by all version of gnome, so not sure what is available right now
[23:05] <zequence> oh, let me look, btw
[23:07] <zequence> well, the tweak tool with which to configure extensions is not working right now, at least for me
[23:09] <zequence> OvenWerks: extensions are avilable at http://extensions.gnome.org
[23:09] <zequence> the menu is avilable there
[23:10] <zequence> The dash for gnome-shell has dropped support for application categories it seems
[23:10] <zequence> "classic" mode of course still uses it
[23:11] <zequence> When you look for apps in the gnome-shell dash, you just search by tag, and you'll find whatever you are looking for, like "audio", "video", "internet", or if we add new ones, "daw", "sequencer", etc
[23:12] <zequence> so, for pure gnome-shell, the custom menu isn't particularly needed