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ahoneybunhey Riddell01:15
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soeegood morning06:36
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shadeslayer_Riddell: ping07:42
shadeslayer_Riddell: My ec2 skills are completely gone :S .... can't login to an instance that I provisioned07:48
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soeeany idea why i can't install apport-kde upgrade ?08:14
markeyyofel: ok, I think we can greenlight the Qt package. I've been using Amarok constantly yesterday and today, and it hasn't crashed once08:16
markeyvery nice08:16
yofelmarkey: thanks! I'll try to get the SRU paperwork done this week then08:20
markey:)08:21
shadeslayer_yofel: did you upload 4.10.4 for raring?08:41
shadeslayer_status page is missing half the packages08:41
yofelshadeslayer_: yeah, can you update the symbols for kdelibs? I think that's all thats left08:41
yofelshadeslayer_: well, yeah, --sru does that08:41
shadeslayer_yofel: can di08:42
shadeslayer_*can do08:42
yofelIIRC there should be like 55 packages for raring08:42
shadeslayer_0.o08:42
yofel?08:43
shadeslayer_55 packages only?08:43
yofelthat's all that had changes since .308:43
shadeslayer_oh? we the script doesn't upload all of it?08:44
shadeslayer_i.e. if nothing changed in svgpart, it won't upload svgpart?\08:44
yofelnope, in --sru mode it runs a diff check on every package, if diffstat returns nothing the package is skipped08:45
yofelwhat's a bit of work right now is fixing versioned build-deps later, as the script doesn't know how to skip that yet...08:45
yofelI have an idea for that, but didn't implement it yet08:46
shadeslayer_ok08:46
shadeslayer_yofel: btw regarding md5sum checking, should I just make it use rsync instead of scp? we get md5sum checking for free then08:52
* yofel can't think of a reason why not do use rsync right now08:53
yofel*to use08:54
shadeslayer_k, I'll try it out08:55
Tm_Tsomeone please remind me if I haven't mangled channel access list today08:55
shadeslayer_yofel: not sure if anyone noticed, but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.manifest vs http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.manifest , the german lang pack is missing on mad6409:03
shadeslayer_erm09:03
shadeslayer_amd6409:03
shadeslayer_or it got accidentally added to i38609:03
shadeslayer_why would that happen 0.o09:04
yofelI'm the worst possible person to ask about l10n...09:06
yofelapachelogger_: ^09:06
yofelshadeslayer_: on second thought, what to the seeds say?09:07
shadeslayer_checking09:07
shadeslayer_usually germinate uses popcon to populate that IIRC09:07
shadeslayer_hm09:10
shadeslayer_#by order of popcon (de es fr ru it pt pl ja zh nl cs sv hu el)09:10
shadeslayer_ * Languages: de es09:10
shadeslayer_and then it adds it to i386 and amd6409:10
shadeslayer_this is messed up09:10
shadeslayer_yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring/view/head:/ship#L4109:11
shadeslayer_fr is only added to i386 for some reason? :P09:11
yofelamd64 was full I guess09:12
shadeslayer_:S09:12
yofelyes, we are fat ^^09:12
alvinI'm sorry for bothering you devs with this, but I'd like some direction. After sending queued mails with Kmail, my plasma-desktop crashed and I can't start it again. I removed plasma-desktoprc and plasma-appletrc, but it still doesn't start. The command 'plasma-desktop' lets the screen flicker and then shows the KDE Crash Handler. I'm now using Krunner to start applications09:14
alvinI thought it was the Telepathy applet (org.kde.ktp-presence that caused this, because yesterday, adding that crashed plasma-desktop). After todays upgrades, that worked, but now I'm nog so sure.09:15
shadeslayer_yofel: did someone upload oxygen-icon and kajongg?09:17
shadeslayer_because those 2 needed to be manually uploaded09:17
yofelnot that I know of09:18
yofelwhat's wrong with kajongg?09:18
shadeslayer_I didn't check09:18
shadeslayer_but the script skipped those09:18
shadeslayer_alvin: does this also happen on a guest account?09:21
shadeslayer_yofel: kde4libs for raring uploaded09:23
* shadeslayer_ looks at oxygen-gtk309:23
alvinshadeslayer_: I disabled that. I can try, but I guess not. What I did now was erasing all plasma* and activity* files in ~/.kde/share/config. Then I had to reboot. Just restarting lightdm didn't get me past the KDE Crash Handler. Now, I have the plasma-desktop, but I saw a few crash handlers on logging in. I'll retry logging out now.09:26
shadeslayer_huh09:26
shadeslayer_who uses emacs here? :P09:29
alvinOne crash handler remains (also on reboot). A few seconds after logging in: "Nepomuk Service Stub". I'm now installing the debug packages09:30
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shadeslayer_alvin: plz pastebin the backtrace so that we can try and help09:30
alvinok, I'll do that first09:31
alvinshadeslayer_: Is this useful? http://pastebin.kde.org/758852/09:32
shadeslayer_not really, needs soprano dbg packages09:33
shadeslayer_vHanda: ^^09:33
alvinshadeslayer_: So, I have to crash again after installation of those debug packages?09:33
shadeslayer_alvin: nope, it'll auto refresh IIRC09:33
alvinInstalled libsoprano-dbg and refreshed: http://pastebin.kde.org/758870/09:36
alvinThis is weird. In System Settings, I see that Nepomuk is active (file indexer, semantic desktop and email indexer), but Kmail says it isn't.09:37
alvinThe good news: I think it's a known problem https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312760 The bad news: well, when do you guys plan to release KDE 4.11 ;-)09:42
ubottuKDE bug 312760 in storageservice "NepomukStorage crash on creating local socket" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]09:42
shadeslayer_whenever upstream releases it :)09:43
alvinOh, right. It's not released yet09:43
shadeslayer_yofel: quick sanity check : subprocess.check_call(["rsync", "--progress", "-z", "-e ssh", remote, "."])09:43
shadeslayer_-z is for compression09:43
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yofelI'm not sure whether subprocess allows spaces in options (-e ssh), looks right otherwise09:45
shadeslayer_well ... it works09:45
shadeslayer_so seems like it does?09:45
yofelack then09:45
* shadeslayer_ tries adding --compress-level=909:45
* yofel -> lunch09:45
shadeslayer_because, compress all the things!09:45
soeeyofel, this packages were stopped from updating: apport-kde kdelibs5-plugins any idea why ?10:10
apachelogger_yofel, shadeslayer_: langpacks are not added if they cause oversizing IIRC10:14
shadeslayer_oh, makes sense10:15
apachelogger_we must be seriously oversized though :P10:16
apachelogger_...there used to be a time when at least de and fr were fitting on the *CD*10:17
shadeslayer_ScottK: oxygen-gtk3 waiting for you in -proposed10:19
shadeslayer_in -proposed queue ^_^10:19
vHandashadeslayer_: fixed in 4.1110:21
vHandawe aren't sure why that is happening though10:21
shadeslayer_vHanda: no chance of backporting?10:22
shadeslayer_to 4.10.510:22
vHandano10:24
vHandabut you can apply this fix if you want - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312760#c2510:24
ubottuKDE bug 312760 in storageservice "NepomukStorage crash on creating local socket" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]10:24
vHandathis seems to fix it based on reports10:24
vHandabut we still aren't sure why it happens10:24
vHandaI've fixed it in 4.11 by not communicating over sockets10:24
shadeslayer_battery dying10:27
shadeslayer_cya later10:27
jussiso, why do sometimes messages have a grey box around them ?10:32
yofelsoee: what are you updating to?10:48
soeeyofel, im on Raring and saw today 4.10.3 updates10:49
yofelsoee: hm, can you please pastebin what an 'aptitude full-upgrade' attempts to do?10:50
soeeyofel, http://pastebin.com/u9ShT5vL10:51
yofelsoee: that's weird and I can't reproduce it here... Maybe your mirror is out of date or broken?10:57
yofelbbl10:58
shadeslayer_qemu is so slow11:22
shadeslayer_so very slow11:22
DarkwingMorning11:22
shadeslayer_hi Darkwing :)11:22
shadeslayer_dafuq11:32
shadeslayer_http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/05/plasma-desktoprw4794.png11:32
ahoneybunDarkwing: 11:33
shadeslayer_*grumble*11:35
shadeslayer_kvm is so much faster11:35
shadeslayer_qemu is complete crap :/11:35
Darkwing:)11:36
DarkwingI should use something other than openbox for my testing at some point.11:36
Darkwingrather virtualbox11:36
ahoneybunDarkwing: have you seen our progress?11:37
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ScottKshadeslayer: Please reupload without the changes in debian/rules and debian/source/options.12:07
shadeslayerack12:07
ScottKAlso, you can compress debian/changelog down to the relevant bits.12:08
shadeslayerScottK: though any reasons to do that?12:09
ScottKIt's the changes relevant to the SRU, i.e. more correct.12:09
ScottKThat's what gets shown in various updaters tools and it's a bit confusing as is.12:10
shadeslayerokay12:10
shadeslayerI'll just use the old 1.1.1 packaging12:11
shadeslayerScottK: I didn't get a rejection email :(12:14
BluesKajHiyas all12:15
ahoneybunBluesKaj: hey12:15
BluesKajhi ahoneybun12:15
shadeslayerxnox: do you have an idea what could be causing this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/118776212:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1187762 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[ubiquity-frontend-kde] Selecting a language requires 2 clicks" [Undecided,New]12:28
shadeslayermmm ... description can use better wording12:29
Riddellshadeslayer: did you work out ec2?12:30
shadeslayernope :(12:30
shadeslayerI've completely forgot how to do it and I tried to follow the docs, but then I couldn't ssh into the machine12:31
shadeslayerpubkey denied12:31
Riddellshadeslayer: are you setting it up outside us-east again?12:31
shadeslayernope, I was using us-east 12:31
shadeslayerRiddell: ec2-run-instances ami-5dd0ba34 -t m1.small --region us-east-1 -k key12:32
ScottKshadeslayer: Odd.  I did reject it.12:32
shadeslayerScottK: yeah not sure, I didn't get an email regarding my kdelibs upload as well12:33
Riddellshadeslayer: then log in with ssh -i key.pem ubuntu@123.aws.com ?12:34
shadeslayerRiddell: yes12:36
shadeslayerit said pubkey denied when I tried to do that12:36
shadeslayerRiddell: maybe the key didn't get copied?12:38
Riddellshadeslayer: I have four environment variables set, I don't remember what they all do, do you have them set?12:39
shadeslayeryes, I set them prior to using ec2-run-instances12:39
Riddellshadeslayer: I'm in12:40
Riddellshadeslayer: to one I just statred12:41
Riddellshadeslayer: try ubuntu@ec2-54-224-61-127.compute-1.amazonaws.com12:41
santa_Riddell (and kubuntu people in general), ximion (since you started tanglu): any toughts on this http://paste.kde.org/759080/ ?12:41
shadeslayer*blink*12:41
shadeslayerworks12:41
shadeslayerah well12:41
Riddellshadeslayer: it took a while to let me log in12:41
xnoxshadeslayer: live session acting differently from ubiquity-dm session?! subtle things are different between the two. Did you try installer inside the live session?12:41
Riddellshadeslayer: I got Connection refused for the first couple of minutes after it had started12:42
shadeslayerxnox: -dm works fine12:42
shadeslayerRiddell: ec2din said it was runnign12:42
shadeslayer*running12:42
Riddellshadeslayer: ec2-describe-instances told me it was up but it still took a bit to be able to do an ssh connection12:43
xnoxshadeslayer: sure, but that's not where the bug is.12:43
shadeslayerRiddell: hmm12:44
shadeslayerah well12:44
xnoxshadeslayer: the user is reporting against live-session running installer, where theme/desktop settings/etc can be interfering.12:44
xnoxshadeslayer: i asked, have you tried inside the live session -> try kubuntu and then start installer.12:44
shadeslayerxnox: yes, that's exactly where the problem occurs12:45
shadeslayerit doesn't happen in ubiquity-dm12:45
xnoxso, debug live-session. theme/qt/kde settings and full kubuntu-session is started, which is fully outside of ubiquity control.12:46
Riddellsanta_: gosh yet more kde package forks?12:46
xnoxthe bug is somewhere between the two. It might mean that ubiquity needs to adjust settings on startup, which have "compatible" values in ubiquity-dm but not in the live session.12:46
shadeslayerwhaa12:47
shadeslayerRiddell: did you shut it off :P12:47
ximionsanta_: well, first of all Tanglu is no replacement for anything :P And regarding shared packaging efforts, I would love that! But making it happen would be much work, the Kubuntu/Debian packaging already has some differences, mainly due to Kubuntu shipping newer KDE releases faster12:47
Riddellshadeslayer: yeah, were you needing it?12:48
shadeslayeryes :P12:48
shadeslayerokay wait12:48
Riddellshadeslayer: oh sorry :(12:48
shadeslayerRiddell: I wanted to figure out how we can use otto for Kubuntu12:48
Riddellshadeslayer: what's otto?12:48
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/otto12:48
ximionshared packaging between Tanglu and Kubuntu might be possible, but that is up to the individual teams to decide, because it would require coordination work, and I don't know if the teams want that12:48
ximion(and I don't want to push anyone)12:49
shadeslayerRiddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~otto-dev/otto/trunk/view/head:/doc/README12:49
Riddellximion: I wouldn't want anything that adds extra hassle to kubuntu packaging but there might be some interesting possibilities to look at12:51
santa_my idea would cover only kde-related packages12:52
santa_one possible approach would be:12:52
santa_we package, let's say kde 4.10.4 for tanglu12:52
santa_then you adapt that packages for kubuntu12:52
santa_I do the same for siduction12:53
santa_and the neptune guy takes siducion packages and backports them to debian testing/stable12:53
santa_* siduction12:53
Riddellhmm, the sequential bit is a problem there, I don't want to wait around for tanglu or any other project to do it first12:53
Riddellplus most of what needs done is compiling it and checking the compilation logs and binaries which are separate for each distro12:54
ximionRiddell: regarding "sync-with-Tanglu" it pretty much depends on how different the base system of Tanglu will be from the Ubuntu base - would be worth a try. Merging with Debian is much more difficult, and I don't think it would be easily possible (Debian policy is - fortunately - applied strictly there :-) ), but maybe talking to svuorela might be nice.12:54
santa_about the sequential problem, that would be optional for each kde release12:55
ximionRiddel: the best approch would be to make the package work on all distros, if it is not too much work12:55
Riddellthat shouldn't be much work no12:55
ximionTanglu curently is Debian + systemd + fresh kernel +  a few adjustments on GRUB and the boostrap stuff12:56
santa_I think it would be nice to make it work for debian sid12:56
santa_then adapt it to each distro12:56
ximionI am not *that* familiar with the Ubuntu base anymore, because they diverged quite a lot from what I consider an ideal solution, but I think especially for KDE, using the same packages would work12:57
ximion(for GNOME not so much, since GNOME is heavily patched :-/)12:57
ximionsanta_: this would slow down Kubuntu development12:57
santa_ximion: I don't think so as long as forking from customized_uptodate_packages is optional12:59
ximionDebian has different policies for KDE packaging, to make each package perfect, also in terms of debian/copyright files etc. - this makes sense because Debian releases are less frequent. Kubuntu instead has frequent releases and therefore fixing bugs which actually affect the users makes more sense than the polishing work (which also happens, but not with a *very* high priority)12:59
shadeslayerRiddell: when passing -k do you pass the path or just the name 'key'12:59
Riddellshadeslayer: the path13:00
Riddellfull file name13:00
shadeslayerRiddell: Client.InvalidKeyPair.NotFound: The key pair '/home/shadeslayer/.ec2/key.pem' does not exist13:00
shadeslayerI ran : ec2-run-instances ami-5dd0ba34 -t m1.small --region us-east-1 -k ~/.ec2/key.pem13:01
shadeslayerRiddell: and EC2_KEYPAIR is the full path as well?13:01
santa_ximion: I'm following more or less the kubuntesque approach in siduction (i.e. not caring about copyright files and so on and package fast)13:02
Riddellshadeslayer: no I have EC2_KEYPAIR=key13:02
santa_in fact we have kde sc 4.10.413:02
Riddellshadeslayer: ec2-run-instances ami-5dd0ba34 -t m1.small --region us-east-1 -k key   <-- no full path13:02
shadeslayerokay, let me try again13:02
santa_the thing is: I have some kde 4.10.4 packages compatible with debian sid13:02
Riddellshadeslayer: ssh -i key.pem ubuntu@ec2-54-224-61-127.compute-1.amazonaws.com  <-- full path13:02
santa_and they could be developed with other people sharing efforts and in a way which would be reusable by kubuntu and neptune13:03
santa_imho13:03
shadeslayerhuh13:04
shadeslayerRiddell: worked now, I suppose it was only a matter of ec2 being a bit slow13:04
* ximion never heard of neptune....13:04
ximionsanta_: well, I am no member of the Kubuntu packagers, but of the Debian/KDE team, so I can only speak for Debian/KDE and say that there might be problems13:06
ximionfor Kubuntu, I don't know13:06
ximionand Tanglu has a similar policy than Ubuntu for this kind of stuff, so that would work. Also giving Ubuntu devs upload permission to Tanglu can be done quickly (but we still need a good NewMember procedure - Tanglu is very young....)13:07
santa_http://www.zevenos.de/13:09
santa_ximion: if I had permissions to upload to tanglu I could, for instance, develop kde sc 4.10.4, copy most of the packages to siduction and customize just a few ones13:11
santa_and I could help the neptune guy to backport such packages to neptune13:11
santa_the problem is, as you said the new member procedure of tanglu13:12
santa_specially, because, you know I'm a DR13:12
santa_* specially, because, you know, I'm a DR13:12
ScottKshadeslayer: Can you check spam folders, etc to see if the rejection mail went astray?  People are pretty sure it gets sent.13:14
shadeslayerScottK: already checked13:14
shadeslayernothing there13:14
ximionsanta_: yes, I know that...13:17
ximionbut as soon as the base system is ready, I don't see an argument why you shouldn't be working on Tanglu - but we need to define some policies and upload permisions first13:18
ximionalso, syncing packaging between distributions seems to be a good idea (at least I think that :P)13:18
yofelsanta_, ximion: I'm all for sharing efforts, esp. as dependency updates, file changes or new packaging will be mostly the same. But working *first* is impossible.13:19
yofelmaybe we could coordinate some changes in debian git, but that would be all13:19
yofel*first in debian13:19
shadeslayercan someone send me a test email at : rohangarg AT kubuntu dot org?13:21
shadeslayerseems like email aliasing is broken13:21
santa_shadeslayer: you have any idea when lezek is around?13:21
shadeslayernot really13:22
santa_ximion: that's nice to know, if I happen to have permissions on tanglu I can assure you the tanglu -> siduction flow will work13:22
shadeslayeroh drat13:22
yofelsanta_: what was your workflow for the .4 packaging btw.? (As you say you're already done)13:23
shadeslayeryofel: http://paste.kde.org/759122/13:23
santa_and then should be easy to add siduction -> tanglu to the chain13:23
santa_adding kubuntu would be more difficult tough13:23
shadeslayerno graphics card :(13:23
shadeslayercan't use ec2 for testing :((13:24
santa_yofel: I'm not using git for my packages13:24
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yofelsanta_: yeah, but do you package all 141 packages by hand? Or do you have something of that automated?13:26
santa_I just grab debian's git, do my changes and upload to siduction repo13:26
shadeslayerby hand? :O13:27
yofelsanta_: our workflow is based on bzr for the dev release, classic packaging for the stable release updates and most of the work is done by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/files13:28
santa__ugh, something wrong happened to my network13:29
yofelheh13:29
santa__shadeslayer: I do add the changelog entries by hand, unfortunately13:29
santa__I do bump the kde-sc-dev-latest version with just one command for a given batch13:30
santa__I will figure out something for the changelog entries one of these days too13:30
ScottKI think people that want to derive from Kubuntu packaging are welcome to do so.  People that have changes to improve the packaging are welcome to provide them.  After some sustained, quality contribution, they can become a Kubuntu member and get rights to commit to branches directly.13:32
ScottKIn 6 years of Ubuntu development, I've yet to see a change pushed back to Ubuntu from a derivative, so I'm not holding my breath.13:33
shadeslayerScottK: better ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5735765/13:33
santa__shadeslayer: yofel: not sure if I answered your questions13:34
ScottKshadeslayer: I'd keep the debian/copyright updates and in changelog I'd say New upstream release that fixes ....  and describe the reason we're SRUing this.13:35
santa__shadeslayer, yofel: if I happen to have time one of these days I could explain with more detail how a guy with 8 fingers available packages the whole kde sc in a weekend for both i386 and amd64 :D13:35
shadeslayerScottK: ack13:36
yofelsanta__: mostly, we have a bit of a scripted workflow based on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/files13:36
shadeslayerheh, never noticed ^^13:36
santa__yofel: good to know, I should take a look when I have time13:41
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shadeslayerScottK: all fixed : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5735779/13:41
ScottKshadeslayer: go for it.13:41
shadeslayerScottK: uploaded13:42
ScottKok13:42
ScottKWill look in a bit.13:42
shadeslayerthx13:43
shadeslayerScottK: could you move the gtk2 package to -updates as well?13:43
ScottKshadeslayer: Not yet, it's only 5 days old.13:43
shadeslayeroh drat, 7 day rule even though we have verification-done13:43
santa__shadeslayer: do you at least know lezek's nickname? is it the obvious one?13:48
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shadeslayersanta__: it is the obvious one :)13:50
shadeslayer:(13:50
santa__ok, thanks13:50
shadeslayer/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_full_design = 69000000 , /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_now = 1516000013:51
shadeslayerI need a new battery13:51
santa__I must leave, thanks for your opinions about my ideas13:51
yofelshadeslayer: at least your battery shows the correct design capacity ^^13:51
shadeslayerxD13:51
yofelmine is still at 98% health after 3 years because the design capacity is changing all the time ^^13:52
shadeslayerhah13:52
yofelthough I have "last full capacity 7700 mAh", so I guess I can't complain13:52
shadeslayeryofel: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/cycle_count is 0 :P13:53
shadeslayerotto is just weird13:54
shadeslayercraps out my entire X13:54
yofelshadeslayer: here it's 0 too, real value is 243 but I need tp_smapi to read that13:54
shadeslayerwhat's that?13:54
shadeslayerthinkpad thingy13:55
yofelyeah13:55
yofelThinkPad SMAPI Support13:55
yofelpretty fun actually. I can force discharge a batter on AC, tell it to only start charging at 50%, tell it to stop at 80% and stuff like that13:56
yofel$ cat first_use_date 13:57
yofel2010-06-0113:57
yofelheh, almost exactly 3 years old13:57
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yofelmeaning my warranty for the notebook expired a few days ago... never had to use it13:57
Quintasan1/4 tests cleared14:01
Quintasanyofel, shadeslayer: iirc smapi doesn't work or newer thinkpad models14:01
QuintasanAt least it doesnt work on mine14:02
Quintasan\o14:02
yofelbummer14:02
Quintasantpacpi-bat14:03
Quintasansaves the day14:03
QuintasanI can set battery treshholds with that14:03
ScottKshadeslayer: You can only use a version once.  How about 0.1 for raring.14:05
Quintasanshadeslayer: You didn't do ktp, right?14:08
RiddelllQuintasan: he often does14:09
Quintasanderp14:10
QuintasanRiddelll: Did you send me the G9 tablet?14:10
RiddelllQuintasan: um no, sorry I said I would didn't I?14:10
shadeslayerQuintasan: nope14:10
shadeslayerScottK: oh, I didn't use 0.1 in the upload?14:11
ScottKno14:11
QuintasanRiddelll: I believe you did at some point. It's not really important now but during holidays I can toy around with it.14:11
Quintasanshadeslayer: I see. I need to get to it14:11
DarkwingMy quick look at 13.10. :D http://youtu.be/_BOrpTTXTtU14:11
shadeslayerScottK: sorry about that14:11
ScottKno problem14:11
RiddelllQuintasan: ok will do tomorrow, keep poking me if not, e-mail your address again please14:12
QuintasanRiddelll: jr@jriddell.org is okay?14:13
shadeslayerRiddelll: btw they dropped the n7 desktop kernel in saucy14:13
RiddelllQuintasan: yep14:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: what?14:13
Quintasanchrist14:13
Quintasanwhat the hell?14:13
shadeslayeryes14:13
shadeslayerthey're using android stuff now14:13
shadeslayerthough it's still available on git14:13
Riddelllfooey14:14
QuintasanRiddelll: Sent.14:14
shadeslayerScottK: proper version uploaded14:14
Quintasanshadeslayer: Ridiculous if you ask me :P14:14
shadeslayerQuintasan: not really, makes sense for them :P14:15
shadeslayerQuintasan: though the setup they had did fancy things14:15
shadeslayerlike updating the kernel when you first booted the device14:15
shadeslayerand then updating whenever there were new kernels in /boot14:15
shadeslayerWhat I want to do right now is have a rootfs that launches oem-config and is populated with the N7 X11 drivers14:16
shadeslayerand use the desktop kernel already available14:17
Quintasanshadeslayer: Do you recall the order of ktp packaing?14:18
shadeslayercommon-internals , then everything else14:19
Riddelllhe's got a magic script to do it no?14:19
QuintasanOkay14:19
QuintasanYou do?14:19
QuintasanGibe pls14:19
shadeslayeruh14:19
shadeslayerlemme fish it out14:19
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://paste.kde.org/75918214:20
shadeslayerQuintasan: please adjust hardcoded values14:20
Quintasanwat.14:20
QuintasanI see14:20
shadeslayerI suspect you don't need the sed calls now14:22
ScottKStill waiting for the diff.14:22
shadeslayerand I'm waiting for some respite from the heat, thing is, you'll probably get the diff faster14:22
shadeslayer41 degrees14:23
shadeslayerI'm melting14:23
shadeslayermelting I tells ya14:23
QuintasanI think it doesn't work shadeslayer but whatever14:23
shadeslayerlies14:24
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Quintasanktp-common-internals_0.6.1dfsg1-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz <--- dfsg14:25
Quintasanwat14:25
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shadeslayerwhut14:26
Quintasanaaah14:26
QuintasanSkype icons14:26
QuintasanThis script is uttery broken14:26
shadeslayeraha14:26
shadeslayerIt needs tweaking ;)14:26
shadeslayerbecause, dfsg14:26
QuintasanIt needs rewriting14:26
shadeslayertweaking14:27
shadeslayeranyway14:27
shadeslayerdinner14:27
shadeslayerScottK: diff available :)14:50
QuintasanScottK: Is ktp-common-internals_0.6.2+dfsg.orig.tar.bz2 a proper tarball name?15:01
ScottKYes15:02
QuintasanI see.15:03
Riddelllmeans it's been changed to remove something non-free15:03
Riddelllprobably skype icons15:03
QuintasanScottK, apachelogger_: The http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/repacking.html has a script that is utterly wrong15:03
QuintasanRiddelll: I know, I'm trying to figure out if there is a proper way of doing tarball repacks15:03
QuintasanTurns out the script doesn't work15:04
QuintasanI'll just remove it and pack it back15:04
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QuintasanScottK: Will that work ^?15:08
RiddelllQuintasan: sure15:08
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QuintasanScottK: Would you consider saying something good if I wanted to get DD?15:25
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ScottKI'd want to have sponsored you first in Debian (if I haven't), but yes.15:44
debfxQuintasan: are you a DM already?15:45
Quintasandebfx: Not yet.15:45
QuintasanScottK: Well, I want to update the whole telepathy-kde stack in Debian15:45
QuintasanIt's a hassle to keep it updated in Ubuntu without doing that15:46
ScottKDM is probably what you want to start with then.15:46
Riddellgosh, a littlegirl 15:46
littlegirlHey there! (:15:46
littlegirlHow are the docs coming along? I'm finally back at my computer after 10 months away.15:47
Riddelllittlegirl: people can spend 10 months away from their computers?15:47
Riddelllittlegirl: we've a new docs master ahoneybun who is doing interesting things15:47
Riddelland valorie and Darkwing are doing interesting things with him15:48
littlegirlYou wouldn't think so, but it happened against our will and quite unexpectedly. I've missed it, and I can see from the piles of emails I'm still wading through that a lot has changed. I hope to be able to contribute to the docs again. (:15:48
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littlegirlServer burp.15:52
QuintasanScottK: Can you make KTP uploads to Debian happen when I have everything building?15:53
littlegirlAm I right that the docs are all on a wiki now and no longer done in DocBook?15:53
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ScottKWho's maintainer (and probably not today).15:53
ScottKlittlegirl: Welcome back.15:53
apachelogger_Quintasan: I think ou are using it wrong15:53
apachelogger_Quintasan: the script worked 2 months ago just fine15:53
QuintasanScottK: gkiagia is but he is no longer taking care of those15:53
Quintasanapachelogger_: Maybe. I don't really care now, gotta update it in Debian.15:53
littlegirlThanks. (:15:53
lordievaderGood afternoon all :)15:53
Riddelllittlegirl: yes I think so15:53
ScottKQuintasan: Debian KDE Extras Team is maintainer, so anyone in the team can upload it.15:54
ScottKYou can add yourself to uploaders.15:54
ScottKI doubt I'll have time to sponsor before the weekend though.15:54
littlegirlRiddell: Thanks. I'll have to learn a bit more about how they're doing things now, and once I install the new version of Kubuntu (still using 10.04, believe it or not), I'll hop back in and help with whatever they need. (:15:55
ScottKFeel free to find someone else so I don't block (Ask on #debian-qt-kde)15:55
lordievaderlittlegirl: Contact either valorie or ahoneybun, they are quite hard at work on the wiki.15:55
littlegirllordievader: Will do, thanks!15:57
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* Riddell wonders why the bold highlighting doesn't work in rekonq for http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.4_saucy.html16:11
shadeslayerRiddell: WFM16:14
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shadeslayerRiddell: http://i.imgur.com/fSfsAjF.png16:15
Riddellshadeslayer: that rekonq?16:16
shadeslayeryes16:16
Riddellmm, something spooky about mine then16:16
shadeslayerspooky is one way to describe that :P16:17
shadeslayerI wish LP had an undo feature for when your mouse goes crazy and just clicks on random things16:19
Riddelldoes that often affect launchpad?16:20
shadeslayerno, it often affects my crazy mouse16:21
shadeslayerI think I need to get it replaced16:21
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Quintasanshadeslayer: get some decent hardware!17:09
Quintasansays Quintasan whose intel core i5 reports 3 cores17:09
shadeslayerlol17:09
shadeslayerQuintasan: I've had this mouse for almost a year17:09
shadeslayerI've used it *alot*17:09
shadeslayerso I'm not surprised it's giving out17:09
shadeslayer(*&(*&^17:10
shadeslayer50 KBps17:10
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ahoneybunRiddell: I would hardly call myself a docs master lol18:13
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yofel_!testers | 4.10.4 is ready for testing in ninja PPA for raring18:14
ubottu4.10.4 is ready for testing in ninja PPA for raring: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.18:14
soeeyohoho :)18:15
soeehere i am18:15
soeeyofel_, yor private ppa ?18:16
yofel_soee: in the private ppa18:16
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lordievaderWhoo neat :)18:18
lordievaderHmm, it seems the Ninja ppa is no longer on my pc. Would someone be so kind to pm it to me? :)18:20
yofellordievader: pm18:24
lordievader:D18:26
BluesKajyofel , I don't have the ninjas ppa either 18:29
BluesKajok yofel , got it thanks18:30
geniiI wonder how the ninjas stay stealthy in their Kubuntu Blue outfits18:39
lordievaderyofel: I see no errors/bugs at this time. It even seems faster, but that might be me...18:40
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hrwhello18:55
hrwcan kwin be used without opengl(es) support?18:56
hrwcause on chromebook/armhf I lack both18:56
jessiehrw: Yes, but you won't get pretty compositing features.18:56
jessiePretty sure it will be just like if you disabled the desktop effects option.18:57
hrwjessie: I do not have window decoration even18:57
soeeyofel, no errors during upgrade19:00
BluesKajyofel . Riddell et al , noglitches with 4.10.4 so far19:18
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lordievaderQuintasan: DDOS attacks.19:33
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jessie^19:34
jessieLots of them. And so, Freenode is dying.19:34
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ScottKSame channel on OFTC then if this one goes.20:03
ahoneybun_valorie_: ping20:05
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BluesKajScottK, OFTC?20:21
ScottKWhere the Debian IRC channels are.20:22
ScottKoftc.net20:22
geniiBluesKaj: Different IRC network20:22
BluesKajok , thanks ScottK , genii20:22
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ahoneybun_Hello20:41
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ahoneybun_valorie_: ping20:50
valorie_ahoneybun_: pong21:06
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ahoneybun_valorie: only thing left is development21:07
valoriewell, until we come up with more work, lol21:08
valorieok, I'll write to the list21:08
valorieI've been putting that off21:08
ahoneybun_valorie: yep that's good21:10
ahoneybun_valorie: Riddell says I'm the doc master lol21:10
valorieyou have been the engine, for sure21:11
ahoneybun_Yep21:11
valorieI hope that this is a group effort, and we defer to the experts who've been doing this for years21:11
ahoneybun_Yea it seems to be so far21:12
valorielittlegirl PM'd me about this effort, but so far I don't see her here21:13
ahoneybun_Yea I saw that21:13
valorieshe worked on the docs quite a bit last year21:13
valorieso it would be nice to see her here again21:14
ahoneybun_Oh that will be great21:14
ahoneybun_Also I made a tumblr for the project21:16
valoriefor Kubuntu?21:17
ahoneybun_The docs21:17
valoriehmmm21:17
valorieok, address?21:17
valoriedunno how much fossy stuff is on tumblr21:17
valorieI am, but mostly for graphics, friends, and a bit of politics21:18
valorieand doctor who, of course21:18
valoriesince it is fan central21:18
ahoneybun_http://ahoneybun.tumblr.com/21:20
ahoneybun_valorie: just for fun21:22
ahoneybun__Still we are making progress21:25
soeeyofel, upgrade and reboot after (4.10.4) all fine (except i had black screen when trying to reboot - had to do hard reset)21:27
yofel:/21:31
yofelgood that it works at least...21:31
soeebut this might be somehow related to my old laptop21:31
soeethe same i have problem with kded421:31
valorieahoneybun: followed21:31
ahoneybun_Hello21:39
ahoneybun_valorie: ping21:40
valoriedude, you don't have to ping22:07
valoriejust say what you have to say and use my nick22:07
jessie_vHanda: Any news on my nepomuk?22:16
valorieahoneybun: I'm always here, or "here" via my bnc22:18
valorieso just talk to me22:18
yofeljessie_: what was your issue again? nepomuk just not starting? or does it crash?22:22
jessie_yofel: Nepomuk doesn't start.22:23
yofeljessie_: curious, what does your .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/soprano-virtuoso.log say?22:24
yofelA few days ago it stopped working on my other notebook too dure to a corrupt soprano-virtuoso.trx22:24
yofel*due to22:24
jessie_That appears to be the same issue that I'm having.22:25
jessie_yofel: http://pastebin.com/rgx6cZAf22:26
yofeljessie_: can you rename the soprano-virtuoso.trx and restart nepomuk?22:26
jessie_yofel: And it's working again.22:28
jessie_Looks like that is my problem.22:29
yofelhm, so I guess it really is the same thing I had. Except that I have no idea what happened, and I don't even see anything particulary broken in the .trx - except maybe a really long DB.DBA.JSO_PIN_GRAPH line22:31
jessie_yofel: Well, it's reproducible for me every time I remove all my nepomuk related config files.22:32
jessie_It's only a matter of time until nepomuk refuses to start again.22:33
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jessieAlso on a notebook, with SSD + HDD combo on here, not sure if that matters.22:33
yofelhm, my notebook with the SSD+HDD combo works prefectly fine, it's my SSD notebook from work that had the issue here.22:34
yofelHasn't popped up again so far, so maybe it's the indexer choking on something specific and trying to store something invalid in the DB...22:34
yofelI'm only guessing though22:34
jessieAn invalid character from a filename, maybe?22:35
Riddellevening22:35
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