[00:00] slangasek: ok. I'll also reflash mine tomorrow, currently I apparently managed to mess up my partitions or the system in a way that I end up with a read-only data partition, so can't do a whole lot at the moment [00:00] ok [00:00] so at a minimum, I've proved that the N4 bootloader doesn't mind if you resize the system+userdata partitions [00:01] and with the raring image, booting to the shell worked fine... so this current problem is some new glitch with the container flip === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === krabador is now known as krabador|Doom3 [00:36] just phablet-flashed to 152, and man is it so nice having a terminal there by default! [01:17] sergiusens: when is powerd 0.12 going to be in the device images? [01:18] glad I still had a package built in /home/phablet [01:33] Hey everyone. I'm excited about the upcoming Ubuntu Touch project, but I had begun to think about various challenges. First and foremost, is there going to be an API for simple second screen support? On iOS, this is useful for Keynote and MLB.tv, among other things. Having this from the beginning would be necessary if it is ever to be supported by developers. [01:35] The other thing was memory management. It would be unique and rather advantageous if we could use something like "kill -STOP " whenever a task gets backgrounded and hasn't requested backgrounding, and then when we run low on memory, we could save that app's memory to disk in a swap-like fashion. The user would get a continuous experience regardless of how much memory their device has, even if the app would take a moment [01:36] Just some thoughts. [01:36] The channel doesn't seem as active right now as it is at other times of day though. [01:41] yeah, it's way late in Europe, and pretty late in the US [01:42] unfortunately. Should I submit these ideas as bugs, maybe? I don't know. [01:48] coder543: better to write it up in detail on the wiki first, as a full spec [01:49] as for memory management, we already suspend app processes when they lose focus [01:49] and there's work for allowing select forms of background execution [01:53] Ok, I figured that app execution would be being paused by now most likely. The last time I used the developer preview was a few months ago, but saving and restoring from disk in low memory situations is something not done by iOS or Android at this point I'm fairly certain and could be nice, if anyone ever has time to do that. Second screen support (or the lack thereof) is something I see as a rather serious blunder in Android. O [01:53] else ever happens. Android 4.2 finally introduced support for the second screen though, I think... but yeah. [01:54] I'm excited, regardless. [01:59] the kernel should swap out inactive process memory to disk if it needs more [02:57] mhall119, it looks to be a packaging bug, I think the source format is goofed for an inline package. I'll update and try again [03:00] fginther: hmm, I've seen inline packages with that source format [03:01] fginther: though we can probably just apply the patches to the branch instead of carrying patch files [03:01] mhall119, that's what I'm attempt and converting to native [03:02] should have a update pushed in a minute or two [03:02] cool [03:02] if there's anything you need me for, just let me know === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [03:10] mhall119, \o/ now it passes [03:13] yay! [05:51] http://summit.devaamo.fi/2013/program/ [06:01] Having some trouble flashing the image to my Nexus 4 [06:02] I followed all the steps, but the recovery it flashed over my CWM gives an error when I try to use autodeploy.zip [06:06] Are my messages actually visible? [06:27] !ping [06:27] pong! [06:30] good morning [06:30] dholbach: Can you see this? [06:31] samuraibsd, that you just asked me if I could see your message? :) [06:31] Yes. Thank god, someone alive. [06:32] You wouldn't know anything about the flash process would you? [06:32] Not much. What are you after? [06:32] Trying to install it on my Nexus 4 and while I got the auto deploy zip onto the internal storage, it gave me an error, and now I can't seem to mount my /sdcard from the recovery [06:33] What was the error message? [06:33] E: Bad [06:34] And now, when I try to do anything to /sdcard, it gives me E: Unable to mount /usb-otg [06:34] Can't adb push the manual image either, since for some reason it won't mount [06:35] With no OS on the device, I can't do it from inside Android either [06:35] Since booting just immediately turns off the device [06:36] I don't even get a boot animation, just the Google splash and the noff [06:36] then off* [06:36] I never heard of this issue before. [06:36] Let me see if I can find anything. [06:36] Neither have I [06:36] And apparently neither has Google, I've been searching for hours [06:37] I couldn't find any trace of that "error message" in the phablet-flash code [06:37] I don't remember exactly what it said, but I remember E: and bad [06:38] my plan was to play around but then...this [06:39] And now phablet-flash won't work either, so I can't even have it do that [06:40] Tells me I have an unsupported device [06:40] Sorry, it looks like I'm of no help. Maybe you just wait in the channel a bit more until more of Europe wakes up. You might also want to send a message to ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net [06:40] Just so you're all covered and somebody can help you out with this. [06:41] Eh, worst case scenario I just stay up for the rest of the night and figure it out on my own...but yeah, I didn't know about the launchpad list, that's good to know. [06:41] All the best! [06:47] Ah, figured it out...though now it seems Ubuntu won't boot [06:47] Step in the right direction [06:48] Interesting...CM 10.1 boots [07:27] Hi [07:27] can i install ubuntu touch on htc sensation [08:13] ubuntu on nexus 10 shutdown/suspend | http://askubuntu.com/q/304276 [08:28] we need fitbit integration with the infographics :D === zsombi is now known as zsombi|afk === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:50] slangasek, thanks for the session fixes, there is https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/session-manager-touch/trunk as upstream branch fyi [08:51] slangasek, in the adbd build ADB_HOST is already set in the makefile .... and we will also throw away that patch in favour of lool's proper upstream merge in debian once i finally managed to test it === Hourd_ is now known as hourd [09:08] test === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === matzipan_ is now known as matzipan === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben === psivaa_ is now known as psivaa === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [10:05] Hi: Has anyone gotten the catchpodder podcast agent to work on a phone? (I'm running ubuntu touch on a samsung galaxy nexus). [10:07] folf: as I am waiting for the download in the background feature, development for catchpodder is currently on halt [10:07] but if you want to run the current version, I can help you [10:08] Saviq, if you make such changes, can you let me know so i can update the saucy seeds and packages in the archive accordingly ? [10:09] ogra, you mean the s/qml-phone-shell/unity8/? [10:09] Saviq, right, for saucy we currently build two images ... one via jenkins and the other on cdimage [10:10] they use different seeds and session managers [10:10] once the container flip is done we'll drop the jenkins build [10:10] ogra, oh, didn't know that [10:10] no worries :) [10:10] ogra, anyway, would definitely let more people know before merging that [10:11] ok [10:11] include me then :) [10:11] ogra, will do [10:11] thanks :) [10:11] netcurli: I just want to try out the current version :-) so some advice on how to set it up would be nice [10:13] so at the moment, you will need to grab this plugin code https://code.launchpad.net/~djfun/catchpodder/filedownload [10:14] and compile and install it on the device [10:14] So just installed this guy on my N4 and got it to boot. Seems like it'll be pretty legit once it's actually ready for release. I dig it. [10:14] :) [10:15] and then you should be able to run the qml app from trunk [10:21] netcurli: is starting it from the phone supported? I mean, can it be added to the list of installed apps? [10:23] I have not added any packaging yet, it is possible, but you need to place the .desktop file in the correct directory (/usr/share/applications ?!) yourself [10:26] netcurli: ok thanks :-) === chihchun_ is now known as chihchun [10:40] kgunn: do you feel you own the "primary phone unlock experience with SIM-PIN/PUK" or is it jasons team? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [11:12] hey guys I noticed an issue on the nexus 7 last night. if you set an alarm leave the clock app open, and then let the device sleep every 10 seconds or so there is a burst of light from it I'm assuming it is a bad thing for that to be happening but I have no idea what is doing it or where or what to file it against any clues? [11:14] you however won't see it during the day so I'm assuming it isn't that bright in reality but you certainly notice it at night :) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [11:46] davmor2: what do you mean by burst of light? The whole screen? Do you have any screenshots for better clarification? [11:47] didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/qtvideo-node/fix_ftbfs_with_new_libhybris/+merge/167509 [11:47] nik90: yeap whole screen lights up for a split second and then is dark again [11:47] davmor2: that's wierd [11:47] davmor2: is this only with the clock app? [11:48] davmor2: for bug related to clock app, you can report them at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+filebug [11:49] nik90: no idea it is the first time that the tablet had been useful enough to take to bed and use in place of my Xoom. It may be the tablet as a whole doing it rather than the clock app I was just highlighting what I did for reproduction :) [11:49] davmor2: :) === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [11:58] mzanetti: hi! Do you want to resume our OAuth chat? [11:59] mardy: hey, sure [11:59] mardy: so... yesterday I failed because I realized that qca2 seems to build and link with Qt5 but then crashes in init() [11:59] mzanetti: so, I've been giving it some more though, and probably understood that we have different goals in mind [11:59] mzanetti: qhat is qca2? [12:00] *what [12:00] mardy: Qt's openssl implementation [12:00] mardy: qoauth is build on top of that for example [12:00] mzanetti: OK [12:00] mzanetti: so, there is nothing preventing apps from dealing with OAuth themselves [12:01] mzanetti: but what UOA (Ubuntu Online Accounts) provides is a bit different [12:01] mardy: yeah... for some things I think it really makes sense to integrate into the UOA. But not for everything I think [12:01] mzanetti: we don't handle just OAuth, but all authentication methods [12:01] mardy: yeah... I understood that too when looking at the architecture pics of UOA [12:02] mardy: but think about this use cases: [12:02] mzanetti: we add support for multiple OAuth accounts for the same provider, which is something very difficult to do for an app handling OAuth itself [12:03] mardy: a) I have an app that lets me find car2go's. I can create bookings if I'm oauth authenticated. But that doesn't give me any contacts or anything that would make sense showing up in all accounts. Its just that one app that needs to authenticate itself [12:03] b) same goes for a fitbit app wanted to create. However, as I realized that it would be ubercool to have the fitbit stats directly in the infographics, I think that's actually use case for UOA [12:04] mzanetti: yes, for (a) the benefit of using UOA is not much [12:05] mzanetti: that is generally the case with app using a single account, for a well known provider [12:05] mardy: yep [12:05] mardy: anyways, exactly for this use case I came up with the in-process WebView to do the auth [12:05] mzanetti: UOA is mostly useful for apps like Empathy, Shotwell, Evolution, which support many accounts/services, and of different types [12:06] mardy: yep I understood that [12:07] mardy: is the UOA team still the right one to talk about a in-app OAuth API or should I rather go to the SDK guys with that? [12:07] mzanetti: but even for simpler apps, I think that now we have a QML API which is infinitely simple (despite the complex architecture it hides): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/accounts-qml-module/trunk/view/head:/examples/simple-view.qml [12:08] mzanetti: good quesion, I don't know :-) [12:11] mzanetti: however, I wonder if it's worth it [12:11] mzanetti: as you said yourself, it's not difficult for a developer to setup a QtWebKit view and perform the oauth in there [12:11] mzanetti: and that's more portable than using a component we provide [12:12] mzanetti: so, I'm not sure there's much point for someone to use our API [12:13] mardy: yeah... ok... the more I think about it, the more it seems a SDK thing (making libqoauth work on the phone etc) === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader === digitalfiz_ is now known as digitalfiz [12:36] sil2100: maybe try with upstream for this fix? they can maybe look at the other ones as well [12:37] didrocks: which fix? [12:40] galaxy tab2 p3100 enable 3g and call phone? [12:41] cri, talk to the person doing the port ... he/she should be noted on the wikipage for the device [12:43] ogra, tanks === pete-woods1 is now known as pete-woods-lunch [12:57] stgraber, did you get my email with the ext4 comparisons? [13:03] Ubuntu Touch Clinic Hour starts now [13:03] Dr. Pope isn't in, so it's just me today [13:03] ooh [13:03] if you have any questions, go ahead and ask 'em [13:04] so how the heck do I install anything? the install icons don't work. (main screen at the bottom) [13:04] yeah, that's not working yet, it's going to be part of Unity 8 [13:04] for now you need to apt-get from the terminal [13:04] oh, right. well that explains it. [13:05] but, the good new is, there's a terminal installed by default now! [13:05] :) [13:05] you can search the Apps lens by tapping the "Search" on the top panel while in the Apps lens [13:07] are there any build docs for indidual apps like phone-app? [13:07] i wanted to start hacking on it and maybe others... see if i can fix a bug or two .. or more [13:08] just started looking at it last night, and was hoping to get time this weekend to really dig in [13:08] blaroche: they should all have something [13:08] it looks like the gallery-app just uses qmake .pro files [13:08] and they should all have inline ./debian/ packaging too [13:08] mhall119: i think i just have to spend time at it. work out the cmake dependencies [13:09] if you have the bzr-builddeb package installed, you can just cd into the bzr branch directory and run "bzr builddeb -- -us -uc" to get a binary package [13:09] build dependencies should all be listed in ./debian/control on the Build-Depends line [13:10] mhall119: thank you. i think that will get me going :) [13:10] blaroche: good luck, you can always come back with more questions anytime [13:11] mhall119: thanks, i will === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === _salem is now known as salem_ === Tassadar is now known as Guest48666 [13:19] * h01ger just thought the weather app was broken, as it showed "sunny" for each day until june 10th in hamburg ;-) i was reliefed to see clouds+rain on the 11th 8-) [13:20] h01ger: sounds like a bug in hamburg [13:20] definitly. but tagged "worksforme" too [13:21] we can be a pessimistic bunch through can't we? I almost files a bug yesterday because my battery wasn't draining as fast as I expected it to :) [13:21] :) === Darkwing_ is now known as Darkwing === zsombi|afk is now known as zsombi === mesq_ is now known as mesq === daker_ is now known as daker [13:33] h01ger: I've double checked and looked out the window: sun is actually shining in HH :) [13:34] Hey! How do I check my build number ? === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [13:39] hi there, are clinic hours still taking place? === pete-woods-lunch is now known as pete-woods [13:42] om26er: good questions, I've wondered that myself [13:42] om26er: usually I just check the highest number in ~/Downloads/phablet-flash [13:42] brejoc: yes [13:42] for the next 20 minutes [13:44] popey and I do this every Wednesday [13:44] of course, you can ask questions any time in here === hallyn is now known as 21WAASE4I [13:44] mhall119, that's different for me as I have a few devices connected to the same machine, so I am not sure which one of them is updated and which is not [13:44] but we've set this hour as a committed time for helping folks [13:45] nice. i've already asked that on the mailing list ([Ubuntu-phone] push to device messaging). Is there already a push notification system planned or is this something we'd have to initiate? [13:46] brejoc: there's been a push notification system discussed, but I don't think it's being planned yet [13:46] aquarius and I discussed how it might be done as part of Ubuntu One [13:48] mhall119: cool. will there be plans publicly available to participate in the discussion? === Zic_ is now known as Guest8512 === jishnu7 is now known as Guest65762 === ashams is now known as Guest15032 === JamesMR is now known as Guest53996 === JanC is now known as Guest69968 [13:49] brejoc: I'm sure there will be [13:49] possibly at the next UDS === Guest53996 is now known as Jameth [13:50] which I believe will be around August [13:50] mhall119: thanks! [13:50] no problem [13:54] cking: I did, thanks! I forwarded it to the rest of the people involved in yesterday's discussion. [13:55] stgraber, cool, if it needs revisiting with different tests, let me know I will see what we can do, but I'm tight on time nowadays [13:56] cking: it currently looks like we'll be using loop mounted images for devices where we can't grow/shrink the system and userdata partition to match what we need [13:56] cking: so hopefully use physical partitions on the devices we support ourselves and use loop-mounted partitions on the others (unless whoever is doing the community port figures out how to resize the partitions safely on their device, then they can do it too) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [13:57] m-b-o, yeah its strange. and whats even more strange: since 5 days basically. [13:57] cking, revisiting with different device would help a lot [13:57] one more question. i've been porting (no work at all) and testing saltstack, a remote admin tool, to ubuntu touch. salt has to be started via upstart. has anything to be done to make this work with the new container concept - especially in "touch mode"? [13:57] stgraber, ok, well, I didn't account for any tweaks on mount options or the vm to ensure we flush data more periodically to ensure data loss is minimised [13:57] cking, the device category we target is like a third of the n4 [13:57] cking: if you have a galaxy nexus, test results on it would be great. Otherwise I think sergiusens said he could do those measurements if you can provide him with instructions [13:58] (read: we target the galaxy nexus class (dual core 1.2GHz/512M ram) by default [13:58] ogra, third in sense of what? CPU cycles, memory, etc? [13:58] yeah [13:58] might even be only 900MHz ... i'm not 100% sure [13:58] but definitely a lot lower than the n4 [13:58] i guess that will have some impact on the results [13:58] stgraber, if he's got a 6.5 digit precision multimeter, then it's repeatable [13:59] ping jstill no way to daul boot the n4 ? [13:59] woops [13:59] bobweaver, nope, and it will get more and more unlikely [13:59] still no way to boot the n4 ? * [13:59] ogra, why is that ? [14:00] (dual booting that is ... booting alone should work since ages :) ) [14:00] bobweaver, because we move away from android more and more [14:00] the flipped images already use an ubuntu initrd and require a certain setup that will likely break with dual boot hacks [14:01] and see above [14:01] there are even plans to re-partition the devices [14:01] that is a good idea but for us people irl we can not afford to loose money with missed text messages and what not [14:01] (though i think we cznt really do that) [14:01] *can't [14:02] you shouldnt lose text messages at all if you use the stable image [14:02] ogra, I'll email sergiusens a guide on how to rig up the test [14:02] cking, awesome, thanks ! [14:02] ogra, I figured out why "Ubuntu Touch could not stream movies over the net" with qtmultimedia [14:03] cking: I can get a hold of electronics... not ASAP, but I can [14:03] has nothing to do with gstreamer as I was told in the past [14:03] Phones that support Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/304399 [14:03] !devices | AskUbuntu [14:03] AskUbuntu: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [14:04] it is that my movies where not in intervals of 500 so they would not play not that I did that, they play fine and dandy. (qt 5.1beta) [14:04] officially supported are only the nexus devices ... [14:04] bobweaver, cool [14:04] ogra: I see Nexus S4 :-P Might be confused with Samsung's S4 (or I am out of sync and these are Nexus indeed) [14:05] heh [14:05] * ogra has no clue about non google nexuses [14:06] ogra, Example of text that I missed http://paste.ubuntu.com/5735859/ I lost about 300 usd because of it === lan3y is now known as Laney [14:06] #doublepost -- one more question. i've been porting (no work at all) and testing saltstack, a remote admin tool, to ubuntu touch. salt has to be started via upstart. has anything to be done to make this work with the new container concept - especially in "touch mode"? [14:07] bobweaver, thats what you get using a device clearly marked for development and dogfooding in financially critical production context [14:07] bobweaver, seriously, if you hevily rely on SMS to make money, dont use ubuntu touch yet [14:08] brejoc, does it require anything on the android side ? [14:09] if it can run on i.e. ubuntu-desktop it wont make any difference wether the container is flippped or not [14:09] ogra, yeah lesson learned but I guess that all these people that are saying that everything works great in all there blogs and there posts on g+ made me feel a little saver maybe they are to blame and my stupidity [14:10] IDK what dogfooding is [14:11] eating your own dogfood ... -> using your own unstable software to find its issues [14:11] (emphasis on "unstable" :) ) [14:11] I see thanks ogra [14:11] it surely works great regarding the expectations ... [14:11] but i wouldnt 100% rely on it [14:12] since bugs are expected [14:12] ogra: no, just plain ubuntu [14:12] yeah I have it on my m7 but not on my n4 any more [14:12] brejoc, then the container flip shouldnt have any influence [14:12] n7 * [14:12] yeah, thats what i would od as well [14:12] (if my n7 coould boot the flipped container images :P ) === lilstevie_ is now known as lilstevie [14:14] sil2100: it seems you missed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/141698927/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.unity-scope-gdrive_0.9daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === dobey_ is now known as dobey [14:15] sil2100: and https://launchpadlibrarian.net/141693500/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.dee_1.2.5ubuntu1daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :( [14:15] ogra: good to know, thanks. one thing i still don't get is the method that has been chosen to determine which daemons are running in touch and desktop mode. is there a document available with more insight? [14:15] I'm relaunching the second [14:16] brejoc, no, we dont have anything like that yet, i guess thats a matter of convergence which is a 14.04 task [14:17] brejoc, i think upstart offers a way to find whats running though ... i guess we will make use of that [14:18] but thats really up fro discussion still, converged setups are not in focus for 13.10 [14:18] okay. thank you very much! [14:23] davidcalle: still around? [14:24] I will present a lecture on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch tonight and would like to show Ubuntu Touch with core-apps. There is a way to put the core-apps in Ubuntu touch menu? [14:28] ubuntero: i use http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/add_apps.sh [14:28] line 56 [14:29] blaroche, thanks [14:29] thank popey :) === nikkimccavee_ is now known as nikkimccavee [14:31] didrocks, sure [14:32] davidcalle: unity-scope-gdrive failed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/141698927/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.unity-scope-gdrive_0.9daily13.06.05-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [14:32] davidcalle: do you mind giving it a look (and poking sil2100__ once he's back) [14:32] sil2100__: I've fixed the second one by a rebuild [14:33] ubuntero: line 56 on that is really all you need [14:34] that will let you expand the Installed Apps section [14:37] didrocks, a segfaulting test? For me? Thanks! :p [14:39] davidcalle: yw! ;) [14:40] * bobweaver has just added Ubuntusdk toolkit to qt5.1 android lets see if it works on android [14:40] ahh stupid gio things are getting in the way [14:40] sil2100__: btw, you didn't remove the shopping lens from the config :/ [14:40] * bobweaver dont care aout icons [14:42] bobweaver: the Ubuntu.Components have been built on MacOSX, so I'm sure they'll work on Android too [14:43] jhodapp, ping [14:43] jhodapp, I was able to get streaming happening on qt5.1 qtmultimedia [14:43] jhodapp, I am uploading a video atm will post when done [14:44] bobweaver, hey [14:45] bobweaver, does it have its own set of streaming sources? [14:45] not sure what you mean by that [14:45] it was a bug in android and not qt or anything like that [14:45] videos have to be in intervals of 500 === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [14:46] bobweaver, well what do you mean by streaming then? [14:46] my souce is from my myth tv backend here on my lan [14:46] before it would not play my videos [14:46] remember [14:46] bobweaver, ok, it's using gstreamer underneath? [14:47] IDK Or IDTS [14:47] let me look at log [14:47] bobweaver, join #ubuntu-media [14:57] sergiusens, ogra, benchmarking notes posted [14:58] cking: thanks [14:59] cking, yay === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === Guest69968 is now known as JanC [15:05] Asus Vivotab Smart ME400C | http://askubuntu.com/q/304400 === sil2100__ is now known as sil2100 [15:09] it seems neither phablet-flash -d grouper -b nor phablet-flash -b seems to work on a nexus7. both get stuck in the bootloader, trying to write to /sdcard/ === 21WAASE4I is now known as hallyn === philhug_ is now known as philhug === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [15:15] * h01ger used an outdated version of phablet-flash [15:16] Saviq, backend is correctly exported now and working... but something with snap-decisions is broken... looking into it [15:18] cking, oh, you actually tested with only one loop mounted img ... great (the actual implementation would have like 4 loop mounts, i wonder if the impact would be worse) [15:18] ogra, i expect so, pressure on vm will be higher I guess [15:18] yeah [15:19] ogra, i suspect that there will be far more dirty pages flying around which is always bad. [15:20] yup ... [15:20] * ogra thinks we should just keep what we have atm ... probably with some changes and improvements but just use the existing partitions [15:20] ogra, I admit my tests were naive, but they give one an idea of the impact at best case [15:20] yeah [15:21] and i expect it to be a lot worse it multiple images on a galaxy nexus [15:22] ogra, do you if there is a way to run x11 on android that is not vnc [15:22] like how the n7 images where [15:22] nope, i dont think there is one [15:23] the n7 images didnt use any android === racarr_ is now known as racarr [15:23] ogra, I see thanks [15:23] ogra, btw your awesome !!!! [15:23] with the flipped container it might be possible to get xfbdev up though [15:23] but without any GLES support ... i doubt that would help much [15:23] heh, thanks :) [15:24] MacSlow, cool [15:24] awe_, rsalveti, et al .. have I mentioned how much I enjoy having cellular data now? [15:25] rickspencer3, is it working ok for you? [15:25] ChickenCutlass, yeah, I just followed rsalveti's directions in his blog [15:25] worked fine [15:25] rickspencer3, excellent. [15:26] looking forward to having the indicator support and all, of course [15:26] me too [15:27] ogra, why no gles support ? === Guest8512 is now known as Zic [15:27] E/libEGL (27730): eglDestroySurface:383 error 300d (EGL_BAD_SURFACE) [15:27] bobweaver, because xfbdev directly attaches to fb0 and thats it === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:27] it might not even work without kernel changes [15:28] (since we dont have any framebuffer console enabled etc) [15:28] we should see Mir on the images soon though, that should make everything better :) [15:28] (and once XMir exists you will even be able to run X apps) [15:35] rickspencer3, thanks! glad you like it! === daker_ is now known as daker [15:36] :) [15:36] rickspencer3: awesome [15:37] first step, more to come [15:37] it'll only get better ;-) [15:37] :) [15:37] rsalveti, I understand that copying the network configuration file over and using the terminal to up/down the network connection are hacks for now [15:38] but, the data actually working seems like the foundation [15:38] rickspencer3: yeah :-) we're happy we're able to communicate with the modem properly, and setting up the connection [15:38] now we just need to hook that up properly with the higher stacks [15:40] rsalveti, will you be able to reuse NM code for writing out the configuration file? [15:40] * rickspencer3 presumes that someone will have to write a new GUI [15:40] rickspencer3, that work is underway [15:41] rickspencer3: yeah, cyphermox_ is working on getting that more kind of automatic [15:41] the idea is that NM will talk to ofono and get the config information directly [15:41] crap, another net split [15:41] so in theory all you'll need to do is setting up 'I want data call' :-) [15:42] and in case your sim card doesn't offer you the right apn settings, you can then manually create the config === zumbi is now known as Guest41081 === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [15:46] rsalveti, sounds cool [15:46] meantime, looks like the container flip and move to 100% saucy are both going well too [15:48] rickspencer3: yup, lot of progress on both [15:48] hi === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy === ken_ is now known as Guest1980 [15:50] hello, i have a problem trying install the unbuntu touch [15:50] failed to copy 'Descargas/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip' to '/sdcard/autodeploy.zip': Permission denied [15:50] someone can help me¿? [15:53] slangasek: tried today's build yet? I'm downloading it now so just wondering whether it'll boot or not :) [15:53] stgraber: I have not [15:53] stgraber: ubuntu-touch or ubuntu-touch-preview? === barry` is now known as barry_ [15:55] slangasek: I'm grabbing ubuntu-touch === lan3y is now known as Laney === Laney is now known as Guest71473 === barry_ is now known as barry === Guest71473 is now known as Laney [15:57] stgraber: yep - I haven't tried it at all yet; certainly, the previous build didn't work so hot for me [15:57] ogra: which is the last ubuntu-touch image that works for you? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === Cimi_ is now known as Cimi [15:57] What's the recovery path like if I try ubuntu-touch and it explodes? [15:57] slangasek: yeah, I suspect we may still have some problems related to video4linux [15:58] cjwatson: boot to recovery, adb push the touch-preview .zip, reboot to recovery to have it flash === lool- is now known as lool === zumbi_ is now known as Guest66489 [15:58] ogra: btw, where's the best place to work around bug #1187189? I think we probably need to apply a divert in some common ubuntu-touch package, since we don't have per-device images [15:58] bug 1187189 in linux-mako (Ubuntu) "Kernel crash and reboot when accessing video device" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187189 [15:58] ok, so not too terrible [15:59] cjwatson: worst case is 2 run through recovery (once for each .zip) and a fastboot flash of the boot partition === jibel_ is now known as jibel [15:59] cjwatson: but yeah, we don't touch the recovery partition, so you can't really brick the device, worst case is really just restoring the boot partition and reset the data partition (which the .zip + recovery do) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [16:07] problem trying install unbuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/304439 === daker_ is now known as daker === plars is now known as plars-afk [16:11] slangasek, funny, i dont see it on maguro [16:11] ogra: sure, it's hardware-specific [16:11] or kernel-specific [16:11] but the rules are in the hardware-independent udev package, which means we need to apply a workaround to the rootfs [16:11] slangasek, i would put is into lxc-android-config ... if you dont have android containers you probably want the device and its full function [16:12] ok [16:12] to be honest, I don't think it's related to the Android container, but I don't really care - we just need somewhere to put a dpkg diversion temporarily until the kernel bug can be fixed [16:12] udev should really have a way to just put a rules file in place with lower sequence number that says "ignore" or so [16:13] hmm, maybe it does [16:13] well, android vs x86 native images [16:13] stgraber: ^^ can you think of anything? === Guest1980 is now known as kenvandine === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [16:23] ogra: did you change something wrt how the partitions are mounted? I seem to always end up with a read-only data partition after boot now which prevents the lxc container from starting [16:23] (that's after manually removing the udev v4l rule file, otherwise the device won't even boot) === gustavold1 is now known as gustavold [16:25] mardy, hey [16:26] ChickenCutlass: we listen for IncomingMessage to turn the screen on, but what about ImmediateMessage? [16:26] ChickenCutlass: The docs mention a "Class 0 SMS", not sure what that is though [16:27] rsalveti: hi, so I see you've marked "investigate ueventd vs. udev" as "Done" - what's the result of that investigation? === hallino1_ is now known as hallino1 [16:29] slangasek: our investigation was more to know if it'd be possible to have udev and uevent running at the same time [16:29] as we were more worried that uevent could be broken because of it [16:29] which is not the case [16:30] so I marked it as done [16:30] right [16:30] ogra still has concerns about double-loading of firmware [16:30] are you saying that's not an issue? [16:31]